[00:26] <UbuntuUser> Hey guys, is there a place I can see a mockup of what Unity 8's desktop dash will look like?
[00:36] <dobey> Acou_Bass: i don't know about that. i'd suggest using libertine to run legacy apps with xmir, as that's what it is designed for.
[00:37] <Acou_Bass> i keep hearing about this libertine but ive not seen anywhere i can actually get it... is it something im gonna have to build from source, r is it in devel builds? :P
[00:50] <dobey> Acou_Bass: i don't know all the details because i don't work on it, and i don't really care to use x11 apps on my phone, because, well, it's still a phone.
[00:50] <Acou_Bass> well considering i want to test the phone as a convergence device, im interested to run a few desktopy applications on it ;D
[00:51] <dobey> well what phone do you have?
[00:51] <Acou_Bass> nexus 4
[00:52] <Acou_Bass> hmm, it seems libertine right now still requires an RW root...
[00:52] <dobey> Acou_Bass: are you not using the ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu-pd channel?
[00:52] <Acou_Bass> no im using stable :p
[00:52] <dobey> no it doesn't require a rw root
[00:52] <dobey> well then switch to the other channel
[00:52] <Acou_Bass> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Libertine im reading instructions here
[00:53] <Acou_Bass> proposed comes with libertine already?
[00:53] <dobey> the ubuntu-pd channel does i think
[00:53] <Acou_Bass> i might look into it then :D im definitely interested in testing the tech out
[00:55] <Acou_Bass> cool, i appreciate the help :D i might join #ubuntu-libertine too to see if theres anything going on in there too
[00:56] <Acou_Bass> my 'killer app' i want in my pocket is mostly emacs + lilypond, which can actually mostly be done in a CLI environment, so i suppose xmir isnt THAT important yet
[05:06] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/04/bq-m10-ubuntu-tablet-shipping-now
[05:06] <lotuspsychje> its happening guys
[05:07] <zzarr_> Hello! Will the next OTA be built on 16.04?
[07:57] <m0n5t3r_> does anyone know where is the whole openvpn thing stored?
[07:58] <m0n5t3r_> trying to convince it to use a tap device
[10:28] <formaggio> Hi everyone
[10:29] <formaggio> I'm trying to make a port for the Samsung Galaxy Tab S 10.1 (SM-T800/SM-T805), but I keep getting errors from phablet-dev-bootstrap about missing repos
[10:30] <formaggio> Is the guide at https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/phone/devices/porting-new-device/ so outdated?
[10:30] <davidcalle> formaggio: it - unfortunately -is
[10:30] <formaggio> davidcalle: just about the person I was hoping to reach :)
[10:33] <formaggio> So are the repo tool failures related to the specific guide or do they involve external changes to single repositories made by third parties?
[10:36] <davidcalle> formaggio: only the guide is severely outdated. Right now, your best sources of info are: https://github.com/ubports/wiki.ubports.com and https://wiki.ubports.com/w/Main_Page
[10:36] <davidcalle> formaggio: hopefully, after the 16.04 release rush, things will get back in order
[10:38] <formaggio> davidcalle: awesome, thanks for the resources - I'll see if I can learn something new from them in the meantime
[10:39] <formaggio> Keep up the good work!
[11:13] <adfad666> What happened to gpg.git?
[11:55] <ouroumov__> Hi
[11:57] <ouroumov__> I've an Aquaris E5 running Ubuntu 15.10. Someone know how to batch-remove all the pre-installed apps except core apps?
[11:57] <ouroumov__> I've achieved SSH access already.
[12:00] <popey> you could script "click list"
[12:00] <popey> and pass the output through "sudo click unregister  $clickname $version"
[12:00] <popey> or somesuch
[12:01] <popey> i have a device here which I did that on, I have only got phone, messaging, contacts, browser, system settings and external devices installed now
[12:03] <ouroumov__> Great, thanks popey, I've tried the command and it works so I'm gonna write a shell script as you suggested.
[12:04] <ouroumov__> Second question: I'm noticing a lot of SWAP usage, any tips on optimizing memory usage?
[12:05] <E524> hi all, i was here yesterday because of external keyboard layout problems (bluetooth). i have some more details and a small "workaround"
[12:07] <E524> problem: using alt and a number key or "alt gr" (or the "other alt") results in the shell in (arg: 1) if pressing "alt + 1" for german (swiss) keyboard layout
[12:07] <E524> the same problem with all the keyboard layout i tested
[12:07] <ogra_> E524, do you mean bug 1565236 ?
[12:07] <ubot5`> bug 1565236 in mir (Ubuntu) "AltGr not working on external keyboards" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1565236
[12:07] <Sleep_Walker> is there problem with Ubuntu One? When I'm requested to log in (for some reason), I got Network Error after entering credentials...
[12:07] <ogra_> (feel free to click "affects me too" at the top :) )
[12:07] <ouroumov__> Actually, my second question can wait, I'm sure memory usage will be reduced once the apps app won't need to load all of those icons.
[12:08] <E524> orga_: oh seems to be. that would have been my next step :) i will read into it and write there more details. thanks
[12:09] <E524> but if some know this problem: here my "trick":
[12:10] <E524> you can choose multiple keyboard layouts. so i have my local one and english. i marked on my keyboard the characters i need and i can use without alt (for me imporant: @| {}\)
[12:11] <E524> then when in shell or mail app or whatever, just switch to the keyboard layouts and drag english on fist place, switch back. press the keys. switch to keyboard layout again and move local one on first place again
[12:11] <E524> not a sweet solution. but at least it works
[12:12] <Sleep_Walker> and another problem - for some reason even though I perform update of the ROM, I'm always notified that there is new - reboot & flash doesn't show anything interesting and install bar reaches ~ 80% and then it reboots without any note
[12:12] <Sleep_Walker> device Aquaris E4.5 Ubuntu Edition
[12:16] <Sleep_Walker> ok, at least, where I can report those bugs?
[12:18] <E524> orga_: thanks it's excactly this bug. nothing to add from my side.
[12:28] <maitimarco> Hi
[12:28] <tathhu> Sleep_Walker: don't know if you solved you network error yet, but I got that error when I misstyped my password..
[12:31] <maitimarco> Can someone help me extract binary blobs from a device?
[13:02] <Sleep_Walker> tathhu: thanks for the hint, but 1] I entered it several times carefully 2] I used the same password to log in on the web 3] why am I asked again when I had it working for so long/
[13:02] <Sleep_Walker> ?
[13:04] <ogra_> Sleep_Walker, sounds a bit like your cache partition is full or some such
[13:04] <ogra_> the system update itself definitely needs no passwords otr accounts
[13:04] <ogra_> *or
[13:11] <Sleep_Walker> ogra_: password or account - that is different problem (but may be related)
[13:11] <ogra_> no, cant be related
[13:11] <Sleep_Walker> I'm not sure which partition is cache
[13:11] <Sleep_Walker> /dev/disk/by-path/platform-mtk-msdc.0-part5  689M  255M  400M  39% /android/cache
[13:12] <ogra_> theer are subdirs in it iirc ... looks for "recovery"
[13:12] <Sleep_Walker> /dev/loop0                                   141M  139M  1.8M  99% /android/system
[13:12] <ogra_> no, you want /android/cache
[13:12] <ogra_> and check whats in that subdir
[13:13] <Sleep_Walker> http://sprunge.us/UJSU
[13:14] <ogra_> i'd just wipe that and reboot
[13:14] <Sleep_Walker> will do
[13:20] <peat-psuwit> awe_: ping
[13:20] <awe_> peat-psuwit, pong
[13:20] <peat-psuwit> awe_: talking about NM and rmnet0 interface.
[13:22] <peat-psuwit> awe_: I've seen the code. It ignore interface starting with rmnet_usb, but my interface is rmnet0. Is this related?
[13:24] <awe_> peat-psuwit, well... you never explained the original problem....
[13:24] <awe_> first what device are we talking about?
[13:25] <peat-psuwit> awe_: It's LG L90 Dual, my port.
[13:26] <awe_> ok, and what is happening?  Is NM trying to activate rmnet0
[13:26] <awe_> or just reporting that it's active?
[13:27] <awe_> I'm currently working on updating NM to 1.2 for touch
[13:27] <awe_> and actually had updated the patch to ignore *all* rmnet devices
[13:27] <awe_> but looks like that patch acccidentally got dropped in my update, so it's a good thing you brought this up
[13:28] <awe_> that said... moving fwd, we need a better solution than patching nm-manager.c directly, but that's a future item for now
[13:29] <peat-psuwit> awe_: It's initially reported as unmanaged, but then become connected when I connect to mobile data, and it stay so even after I disconnect mobile data.
[13:30] <Sleep_Walker> ogra_: it doesn't seem to help, it still offers me to install version:32 image again
[13:30] <awe_> peat-psuwit, does this cause problems other than being reported as such?
[13:30] <ogra_> Sleep_Walker, so it doesnt download it properly now ?
[13:30] <awe_> ( ie. does it prevent the ril_0 or ril_1 devices from working properly )?
[13:30] <Sleep_Walker> ogra_: I don't think that download is the problam
[13:30] <Sleep_Walker> problem is during flash
[13:30] <ogra_> you said it stops at 80%
[13:31] <Sleep_Walker> of flashing
[13:31] <Sleep_Walker> that it reboots
[13:31] <ogra_> oh
[13:31] <ogra_> and that is an unmodified readonly image ? you didnt tinke with it, made it writable or anything ?
[13:31] <peat-psuwit> awe_: It makes NM doesn't set default routing device to Wi-Fi.
[13:31] <Sleep_Walker> I did install a few things
[13:31] <ogra_> eek
[13:32] <ogra_> well ... then re-flash
[13:32] <Sleep_Walker> emacs, task warrior, ...
[13:32] <ogra_> yeah, not supported
[13:32] <Sleep_Walker> is there wiki page how to re-flash it?
[13:32] <ogra_> with installing stuff into the readonly image you effectively left the possibility to do supported upgrades behind
[13:32] <Sleep_Walker> I don't mind to install stuff again after reflash
[13:33] <ogra_> dont .... really
[13:33] <Sleep_Walker> but I need to know how to restore the state
[13:33] <ogra_> use a chroot
[13:33] <Sleep_Walker> :((
[13:33] <Sleep_Walker> will do
[13:33] <awe_> morphis, what's the silo with wpa_s 2.4?
[13:34] <ogra_> Sleep_Walker, http://askubuntu.com/questions/620740/recommended-way-to-install-regularcli-deb-packages-on-ubuntu-phone/623311#623311
[13:34] <ogra_> thats the right way to do it
[13:34] <morphis> awe_: ?
[13:34] <awe_> the silo we're going to land NM into?
[13:34] <morphis> awe_: ah
[13:34] <morphis> https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-024/+packages
[13:34] <ogra_> Sleep_Walker, http://askubuntu.com/questions/602035/how-do-i-use-ubuntu-device-flash-with-the-bq-aquaris-e4-5-and-aquaris-e5 for re-flashing
[13:34] <awe_> morphis, thanks
[13:35] <Sleep_Walker> ogra_: thanks
[13:35] <morphis> awe_: I've added the SendDriverCommand dbus method for regulatory support there too
[13:35] <awe_> peat-psuwit, I hope to have the touch-specific version of NM 1.2 landed into silo-024 soon;  you should give it a try and see if it resolves your issue once it lands
[13:35] <morphis> awe_: don't want to give davmor2 more work with a second landing :-)
[13:35] <awe_> how nice of you!
[13:35] <awe_> ;D
[13:36] <morphis> awe_: also any objections to put https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-000/+sourcepub/5975362/+listing-archive-extra in there too?
[13:36] <davmor2> awe_: it's the staking out for the crows he is trying to avoid I'll tell you
[13:36] <morphis> awe_: (after I've got the 'yes' from security)
[13:37] <awe_> morphis, as long as it doesn't screw up normal operations, no objections
[13:37] <Sleep_Walker> argh, ubuntu-device-flash is not in my distro yet :/
[13:37] <awe_> morphis, I found the cause of the 'oFono disappeared' log messages last night, although don't yet have a fix
[13:37] <morphis> :-)
[13:38] <awe_> basically, the WWAN plugin continually looks for modem-manager && ofono
[13:38] <awe_> even though modem-manager isn't installed on the phone
[13:38] <awe_> there's still something else weird happening
[13:38] <awe_> but at least I know why I see the log message every 2m
[13:38] <awe_> the code's a bit of a mess frankly
[13:39] <awe_> something we'll need to fix long term if NM is to be able to dynamically use one or the other for modems
[13:40] <awe_> we probably need to make this a run-time arg
[13:40] <awe_> ie. use mm vs. use ofono
[13:40] <awe_> I don't think we'd ever have a situation where we'd have a device that would use both
[13:41] <awe_> ( also, I don't think upstream would take getprop style runtime detection )
[13:58] <maitimarco> Can someone help me extract binary blobs from a Elephone Vowney Lite?
[13:58] <ogra_> you are probably better off trying to find someone in the xdg forums that has done that before
[13:58] <ogra_> s/that/who/
[14:04] <maitimarco> thanks ogra_ , Nobody have allready done it, I only need a drivers list.
[14:27] <dobey> ogra_: xda, not xdg ;)
[14:28] <ogra_> heh, indeed
[14:29] <ouroumov__> Is there a way to trigger the taking of a picture from the command line?
[14:30] <ouroumov__> ( And to access GPS location data from the command line too. )
[14:31] <popey> ouroumov__: I don't think so, bfiller may know (< ouroumov__> Is there a way to trigger the taking of a picture from the command line?)
[15:13] <northman> I have made an app and want to export a text file to the users Documents folder. Is saving the file directly to Documents with C++ the only way to accomplish this?
[15:14] <mcphail> northman: that won't work due to confinement. Ypu'll need to use content-hub
[15:19] <northman_> mcphail: Do you know of any example code I can look at? I can see how it's possible to transfer data between apps, but what app will save a file for me?
[15:23] <mike00> just a curiosity: which scope won the scope showdown?
[15:23] <mcphail> northman_: I'm not sure you can write directly. Rather, you set your app up to use content hub to offer the files to other intetested apps. But you might get better advice in #ubuntu-app-devel
[15:24] <northman_> mike00: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/showdown/winners/
[15:24] <mike00> thanks
[15:24] <mcphail> northman_: you can only save directly to your app's confoned directories
[15:25] <mcphail> *confined
[15:26] <northman_> mcphail: ok thank you, :) ill try the app devel channel
[18:00] <NwS> Anyone got the M10 yet?
[19:09] <BuenGenio> hi there
[19:09] <BuenGenio> is there any way to install ubuntu on an off-the-shelf Meizu MX5?
[19:10] <popey> BuenGenio: we dont have an image for that device
[19:11] <BuenGenio> can I build my own?
[19:12] <BuenGenio> if I get the SDK?
[19:12] <ogra_> if you have the android source for it
[19:12] <popey> there's a porting guide or two
[19:12] <ogra_> (including all binary blobs)
[19:12] <dobey> and have managed to unlock the bootloader
[19:12] <popey> it's not a quick and easy task
[19:12] <popey> oh yeah
[19:12] <popey> they're locked
[19:12] <ogra_> depends
[19:12] <BuenGenio> my MX5 is unlocked
[19:12] <ogra_> meizu usually has different variants of the same model
[19:13] <BuenGenio> actually I lied
[19:13] <ogra_> normally the china version of all of them cant be unlocked
[19:13] <BuenGenio> I have an HTC 826 that's unlocked
[19:13] <BuenGenio> with the SDK
[19:13] <BuenGenio> I don't mind getting my hands dirty
[19:13] <ogra_> while the iternational one cn or can not ...
[19:13] <ogra_> *can or can not
[19:14] <BuenGenio> is there an up to date guide?
[19:14] <ogra_> no
[19:14] <BuenGenio> :)
[19:15] <popey> actually.
[19:15] <popey> ping mariogrip - he's been working on an updated guide
[19:15] <popey> https://wiki2.ubports.com/wiki/Home
[19:15] <BuenGenio> nice
[19:16] <BuenGenio> will check out
[19:16] <BuenGenio> thanks
[19:16] <popey> hah, https://wiki2.ubports.com/wiki/Porting-to-new-device 404
[19:16]  * popey pokes mariogrip 
[19:16] <popey> also mhall119 :)
[19:16] <BuenGenio> https://wiki2.ubports.com/wiki/Porting-to-new-device
[19:16] <BuenGenio> meh
[19:17] <mariogrip> popey: oh that's not published yet, use https://wiki2.ubports.com/wiki/Building-ubports-source
[19:17] <popey> BuenGenio: ^
[19:17] <BuenGenio> thaks
[19:17] <mariogrip> popey: mhall119 are you coming to the party? http://kubuntu.blindsidenetworks.net/kubuntu/
[19:18]  * mhall119 has company in the house right now, sorry
[19:19] <popey> I'm on dad duty :(
[19:20] <mariogrip> awww, we will probably be here until after midnight
[19:21] <dobey> which midnight? :P
[19:23] <mariogrip> dobey: utc
[19:24] <dobey> mariogrip: btw, any luck with finding what's causing the wakelock issue? :)
[19:26] <mariogrip> dobey: yeah, I think i got it fixed today. im gonna push the updates tomarrow (if it works)
[19:29] <dobey> mariogrip: awesome!
[19:32] <tsimonq2> how do I get into the Kubuntu party? :P
[19:33] <tsimonq2> mariogrip?
[19:39] <ic3d> Hello, is there anybody that can halp me with an update problem on a MX4? Every time I try to update it, I always get an error like this http://imgur.com/XLxG4ql
[19:48] <mhall119> mariogrip: aw, it needs flash?
[19:50] <Elleo> ic3d: there's a bug here where someone else hit that: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1568889 seems their system partition was full, but flashing should still work with ubuntu-device-flash
[19:50] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1568889 in Canonical System Image "Upgrade to OTA10 fails on Meizu MX4" [Critical,Confirmed]
[19:50] <mhall119> mariogrip: is there a webrtc version?
[19:50] <mariogrip> mhall119: yeah it need flash
[19:50] <mariogrip> but there is a html5
[19:51] <mariogrip> but that not enebled on this servers
[19:51] <mariogrip> mhall119: but chrome has flash
[19:51] <mhall119> yeah, I uninstalled chrome a couple weeks ago :(
[19:52] <mariogrip> tsimonq2: http://kubuntu.blindsidenetworks.net/kubuntu/ password: welcome
[19:52] <tsimonq2> mariogrip: ic :)
[19:52] <ic3d> Elleo: thanks, reading launchpad bug
[19:52] <mariogrip> mhall119: are you using firefox?
[19:52] <tsimonq2> mariogrip: I'm running chromium, install flash
[19:53] <tsimonq2> stupid, disgusting Flash ;P
[19:53] <tsimonq2> *ahem* :)
[19:53] <mhall119> mariogrip: I have firefox, yeah, will try that in a minute
[19:53] <mariogrip> mhall119: awesome :)
[20:01] <mhall119> mariogrip: I'm in the middle of a dist-upgrade, so "a minute" might have been overly optimistic :)
[20:01] <mariogrip> mhall119: ok :)
[20:09]  * mhall119 forgot that you should upgrade often when running pre-release versions of Ubuntu
[20:11] <tsimonq2> heheheheheh
[20:11] <tsimonq2> daily FTW
[20:11] <tsimonq2> no, hourly :P
[20:24]  * mhall119 is at the party!
[20:35] <ic3d> Elleo: I've tried pushing via ubuntu-device-flash, but it failed with this error "error pushing: failed to copy '/home/dario/.cache/ubuntuimages/pool/ubuntu-b5f4cc2c8fdcda0c8c2f1112f8ea22648af9fe2306e9038147427e8306c2acb2.tar.xz' to '/cache/recovery//ubuntu-b5f4cc2c8fdcda0c8c2f1112f8ea22648af9fe2306e9038147427e8306c2acb2.tar.xz': No space left on device"