[00:38] <sick_rimmit> Ooops got booted coming back
[00:46]  * clivejo cries
[00:46] <clivejo> left all alone
 Aww :(
[00:47] <clivejo> talking to myself
[01:08] <clivejo> anyone about?
 I am, now...
[07:57] <vip> soee: and the lag got back
[07:57] <vip> i think it is network related
[08:46] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:51] <Mamarok> hm, did somebody ping me? I can't see it in the backlog ....
[09:52] <Mamarok> anyway, folks, we have several people not finding a database for amarok when upgrading to Kubuntu 16.04, could you please check the package dependencies? MySQLe is mandatory for Amarok
[09:52] <vip> wut
[09:54] <vip> http://i.imgur.com/OE7WZJO.jpg
[09:55] <vip> what third party drivers?
[09:58] <Mamarok> vip: secure boot locks down your system to only use proprietary software, it is a way for windows et al to make sure no other OS can be isntalled, if you use Linux you should disable secure boot
[10:00] <vip> I am using windows too, uefi works for me 
[10:01] <Mamarok> you can read up about that here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/SecureBoot
[10:01] <vip> and never saw that dialog when upgrading
[10:01] <vip> Mamarok: thanks
[10:02] <Mamarok> normally with Kubuntu you should not be bothered, but other Linux distros do not have a certified UEFI key and will not work with secure boot enabled
[10:03] <Mamarok> vip: btw, when asking questions, you should avoid just giving a link to a picture, msot people will ignore that if there is no context given
[10:03] <soee> oh Clementine is much more activly developed than Amarok ? http://news.softpedia.com/news/clementine-1-3-free-music-player-is-a-massive-release-with-over-150-changes-503036.shtml
[10:04] <vip> a friend of mine upgraded to vivid recently, and got problems with grub; it nistalled grub-pc instead of grub uefi (or something like that), and he couldn't boot to kubuntu
[10:04] <vip> gotta try to reboot ;)
[10:04] <Mamarok> soee: not so sure abut that, it's basically just one guy, we are about to release 2.9 and then work on porting to Qt5
[10:05] <Mamarok> we fixed one of the releae blockers last week
[10:05] <Mamarok> and I am tempted to ignore the Musicbrainz issue and just release 2.9 anyway
[10:05] <soee> Mamarok: oh that would be cool, i think there were some talsk aout replacing Amarok as  a default music player dueto development problems ?
[10:06] <Mamarok> amarok on Qt5 builds and plays music, but it is very pre-alpha as the plsma applets all need to be ported to QML, and nobody knows QML well enough right now ...
 Mamarok I think I pinged you
 It was regarding taglib 1.10
 There was a FFE opened to package 1.10 for Xenial to fix a number of bugs. I was looking for people who could test it
[10:14] <Mamarok> yes, valorie also asked about it, we need to change some CMake test, I will look into that this we
[10:14] <Mamarok> else it should just work fine
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/taglib/+bug/1546373
[10:15] <vip> soee: dod your login bug returned?
 I don't know enough about the lib to test it
[10:16] <soee> vip nope
[10:17] <Mamarok> clivejo: the package should be fine AFAICS, but our CMake tests for STRLESS isntead or VERSION_LESS, so it is seen as being too old
[10:17] <vip> ah, lucky one
[10:17] <vip> or I need to delete all *appletrc* files
[10:18] <Mamarok> now if somebody with CMake foo could confirm it is OK to just replace STRLESS with VERSION_LESS and this would not break everything, would be great
[10:18] <soee> vip: this is most likely related to some widget
[10:18] <vip> od desktoprc
 soee: would you do me a favour and test Muon for me please
 Also anyone else who is interested
[10:18] <soee> but what is strange - last time - the problem showed up for me after switching from intel to nvidia pofile
[10:19] <vip> soee: i'm on intel only
[10:19] <soee> clivejo: what chnaged there ?
[10:19] <vip> but removing that file helped
[10:19] <soee> vip: please report it all under bug report, provide as much info as you can :)
 There are a couple of bug fixes and version bumps
[10:20] <soee> vip: what did you do, what did you noticed, what do you think might be the problem etc.
 Also should contain locale data now
[10:20] <soee> clivejo: where is this new version ?
 My xenial ppa
[10:21] <soee> clivejo: i never remember it :D can you share the link ?
 Not easily!
 I is mobile!
[10:22] <soee> clivejo: https://launchpad.net/~clivejo/+archive/ubuntu/xenial ?
[10:24] <soee> odd, it does not show any updates for me after adding this ppa
 You do apt update first
[10:28] <soee> i did .. :)
[10:29] <soee> claydoh: is it anyhow connected to discover ? i have tested yesterday 5.6.2 version of discover and have it installed atm.
[10:29] <soee> clivejo: ^
[10:34] <soee> yhm, clivejo http://paste.ubuntu.com/15868664/
 I don't know. Discover migrated out of muon package
 So I don't think the muon package will affect it
[10:36] <soee> maybe i had added your ppa and did the update in the meantime
 But maybe having a updated libqapt would help discover
[10:44] <vip> soee: i suppose, it's network (wifi), I'll try on cable
[10:44] <clivejo> soee: can you test if this bug has been fixed - https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/127546/
[10:48] <clivejo> I tested it last night, but I was tired and a little drunk :/
[10:51] <clivejo> and was sidetracked learning new swear words
[10:53] <clivejo> anyone else having issues with Kontact and Amarok with the PHP version thingie my bob
[10:54] <clivejo> The amarok database reported the following errors:
[10:54] <clivejo> GREPME MySQLe query failed! (2000) mysql_embedded: Shutdown complete
[10:54] <clivejo>  on init
[10:54] <clivejo> In most cases you will need to resolve these errors before Amarok will run properly.
[10:55]  * clivejo has no idea what that even means!
[10:55] <Mamarok> clivejo: this has been reported by a lot of people already, the MySQL database is simply missing
[10:55] <clivejo> and I cant read my emails
[10:56] <Mamarok> one guy solved it by isntalling mysql-server, but that shouldn't be necessary, normally mysql embedded is enough
[10:56] <clivejo> Mamarok: it was fine until MySQL 7 was pushed out
[10:56] <Mamarok> but it looks very much like a packaging problem
[10:57] <Mamarok> what did they change?
[10:57] <clivejo> they made MySQL7 the default
[10:57] <Mamarok> up until libmsyclient18 it works here
[10:57] <Mamarok> yes, but what changed in 7 that was not there before?
[10:57] <clivejo> that I have no idea
[10:58] <Mamarok> I bet they shuffeld around libraries to server packages that should be in client
[10:58] <clivejo> but the same change is causing me problems with adonaki
[10:58] <Mamarok> because isntalling mysql-server fixes it apparently
[10:59] <clivejo> lets try that
[10:59] <Mamarok> and amarok needs to be compiled against libmysqld-pic
[10:59]  * clivejo does not like important foundation packages changed so close to release date
[11:00] <Mamarok> yeah, that is not a good idea, but apparently they did that a lot this time around *sigh*
[11:00] <clivejo> yeah
[11:01] <clivejo> Mamarok: confirmed, installing mysql-server fixes that error message in Amarok :)
[11:02] <clivejo> thankyou :)
[11:02] <clivejo> kontact still not working, Ill reboot
[11:04] <Mamarok> yeah, they packaged differently, and should be notified about it
 Do you have a LP account?
[11:05] <clivejo> maybe I spoke too soon
[11:05] <clivejo> Amarok is still complaining
[11:05] <clivejo> but its loading the main window and working this time
[11:06] <clivejo> and akonadi personal information management service is not operational
[11:09] <clivejo> Mamarok: when you say they are packaged differently, do you know how?
[11:17] <clivejo> has noone else got this?
[11:17] <clivejo> soee: ?
[11:19] <clivejo> how rude!
[11:25] <clivejo> Mamarok: I have libmysqlclient20 installed :/
[11:26] <clivejo> hi slhk_
[11:28] <soee> sorry my little nephew was playing with my laptop :D
[11:28] <clivejo> soee: you're on xenial?
[11:28] <soee> yes
[11:28] <clivejo> fully updated?
[11:28] <soee> yup
[11:28] <clivejo> no problems with kontact or amarok?
[11:29] <soee> i use Amarok for radio streams and it works fine, mp3 also play nice
[11:29] <soee> i do not use kontact
[11:29] <clivejo> :(
[11:30] <soee> but it starts and work :D
[11:32]  * clivejo gives up
[11:35] <soee> clivejo: with the muon all seems to work as described in this commit. One thing to notice if we mark some packages to be installed then than click to "Unmark all" (it gets unmarked) rhan click to "Revert" packages seems to be marked again (Unmark all button is active)
[11:36] <clivejo> if its a bug can you log it against Muon so Carlo can have a look at it
[11:36] <soee> but they are all higlighted all the time 
[11:38] <soee> but im glad teh muon works again :)
[11:38] <soee> i will have some suggestion regarding UI, UX
[11:38] <clivejo> soee: do you have different languages installed?
[11:39] <soee> clivejo: how do i test it ?
[11:39] <clivejo> drop into another language and see if Muon is translated
[11:39] <soee> i have muon localized to PL
[11:39] <clivejo> is it displaying in PL?
[11:39] <clivejo> the UI/Menus etc
[11:40] <soee> clivejo: yes
[11:40] <clivejo> did it before?
[11:41] <soee> clivejo: im not sure how it was before tbh. http://wstaw.org/m/2016/04/16/Screenshot_20160416_134022.png
[11:41] <clivejo> well thats one item can be checked off!
[11:41] <clivejo> thanks soee!
[11:43]  * clivejo doesnt like having to webmail all his email accounts manually
[11:43]  * clivejo is NOT a happy bunny today
[11:44] <soee> use Thunderbird
[11:44] <clivejo> kontact was working fine!!
[11:44] <soee> and on a phone AquaMail :)
[11:44] <soee> buy pro: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.kman.AquaMail&hl=pl
[11:44] <soee> and be happy bunny :)
[11:45] <clivejo> I have a mail client on my phone, its connects into Kolab :)
[11:45] <clivejo> just like Kontact used to do
[11:49] <soee> wee KTorrent for KF5 is available officially
[12:01] <clivejo> wow
[12:01] <clivejo> my mailbox is being suspended, "Your mailbox has exceeded the storage limit is 1 GB, which is defined by the administrator, are running at 99.8 gigabytes, you can not send or receive new messages until you re-validate your mailbox."
[12:02] <clivejo> bloody big mail box!
[12:02] <clivejo> I blame Launchpad
[12:04] <soee> ~.~
[13:22] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:25] <clivejo> hi BluesKaj
[13:26] <BluesKaj> hey clivejo, how goes the battle ?
[13:26] <doko> sgclark, cantor autopkg tests fail
[13:26] <clivejo> which battle?
[13:26] <doko> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html
[13:26] <BluesKaj> just an expression for how are things, clivejo 
[13:27] <clivejo> regarding Kubuntu, Im losing the battle
[13:27] <BluesKaj> guess you guys in the Uk don't hear that one too often
[13:28] <BluesKaj> clivejo, somehow I doubt that
[13:28] <clivejo> my system is in such a mess
[13:28] <BluesKaj> I have faith :-)
[13:29] <clivejo> Kontact is broke, so is amarok
[13:30] <BluesKaj> ok, I wasn't aware since I  don'r use them
[13:30] <clivejo> Ive been pretty stable from I moved to Xenial, yet a wekk before launch my system is unuseable for me
[13:35] <BluesKaj> launched amarok with a warning, but it did open ...haven't set it up yet 
[13:36] <clivejo> what was the warning?
[13:36] <clivejo> about MySQL?
[13:51] <BluesKaj> clivejo, yes it warned something about mysql, but I didn't understand what it meant
[13:53] <clivejo> ok, no prob
[13:53] <clivejo> just trying to understand whats going on
[16:50] <Mamarok> clivejo: this seem to be the problem: bug #1571215
[16:53] <Mamarok> now somebody has to reassign this bug to mysql, as it is not caused by amarok
[16:58] <mamarley> It looks like the change in the name of the configuration argument by MySQL was purposeful and that the applications using it need to update accordingly.
[17:58] <sgclark> So wait, let me get this straight, they pushed a game changing application ( mysql ) that requires upstream intervention one week before release? seriously? But they probably sent an email so that makes it ok...
[17:58]  * sgclark gives up
[18:01] <mamarley> It only affects applications that both use MySQL embedded and have that configuration option in their configuration files, but yes, they should have pushed that upgrade months ago.
[18:01] <sgclark> amarok and akonadi are major, akonadi broken breaks all of pim, this is unacceptable. period.
[18:03] <sgclark> And here I thought we might pull this off.
[18:03] <mamarley> And you still can.  It is a dead-simple patch.
[18:06] <sgclark> mamarley: feel free then. thanks.
[18:07] <mamarley> It isn't a patch against MySQL though; it is a patch against Akonadi and Amarok to remove the deprecated configuration option from the configuration file.
[18:07] <mamarley> s/remove/replace with the new equivalent
[18:08] <mamarley> I will download the Amarok source and see what I can do.
[18:09] <sgclark> I appreciate that, I can mimic your changes with akonadi.
[18:10] <sgclark> doko: yofel is the autopackage expert. I can try but have zero experience.
[18:48] <mamarley> sgclark: Almost done.  Sorry this is taking so long.  Someone from Oracle already had made a patch, but it was against a much older version and therefore required extensive manual rejiggering to apply correctly.
[18:48] <sgclark> Don't be sorry :) I am thankful for the help!
[18:52] <clivejo> mamarley: clivejo: For amarok, I think there's a .local/share/amarok/my.cnf or something like that, with a myisam-recover=FORCE, that should be myisam-recover-options=FORCE
[18:53] <mamarley> Hmm, yeah, the change I made might only work for new installations...
[18:53] <mamarley> Anyway, I uploaded it to https://launchpad.net/~mamarley/+archive/ubuntu/staging/+packages
[18:53] <clivejo> does that make any sense to you?
[18:54] <mamarley> That configuration option is hardcoded into MySQLEmbeddedStorage.cpp.  I just uploaded a patch that fixes it there (based on the version of MySQL against which Amarok is being compiled).
[18:55] <mamarley> I'm not sure if fixing it there will work for existing installations though.
[18:56] <clivejo> Mamarok mamarley: Skuggen works for MySQL
[18:56] <Skuggen> o/
[18:56] <clivejo> trying to get to the bottom of these MySQL issues
[18:59] <mamarley> OK.  I am 99.9% sure that the patched version I just uploaded to https://launchpad.net/~mamarley/+archive/ubuntu/staging/+packages will fix it for new installations; I am just not sure about existing installations that get upgraded.
[19:00] <Skuggen> 5.7 changes quite a bit, so mysql_upgrade should really be run for existing installations that come from 5.6 or older
[19:00] <Skuggen> mamarley: There was also an issue with mysql_install_db, I think
[19:01] <mamarley> I really know very little about how MySQL is used in Amarok; I just updated the patch someone made to correct that configuration option.
[19:01] <mamarley> The original patch is from https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=354255.
[19:01] <Skuggen> It runs mysql_install_db --force [...]
[19:02] <Skuggen> force will no longer work, so should be removed. Also, if it relies on getting a root user with no password, it needs to add --insecure
[19:02] <Skuggen> In general it would be better to move to using mysqld --initialize instead, but swapping out a few options on mysql_install_db should retain the old behavior
[19:03] <mamarley> I have grepped through the entire source code tree and I don't see that command anywhere.
[19:04] <Skuggen> src/server/storage/dbconfigmysql.cpp
[19:05] <sgclark> akonadi iuses mysql heavily I am certain. I absolutely cannot believe this got pushed so close to release... we are going to be so damn broken it is not freaking funny.
[19:05]  * sgclark gives up again
[19:06] <Skuggen> https://github.com/KDE/akonadi/blob/master/src/server/storage/dbconfigmysql.cpp#L288
[19:06] <mamarley> Skuggen: Oh, is that in Akonadi?  I was looking at Amarok.
[19:07] <Skuggen> mamarley: Gah, right. Yes, for amarok it was only the config issue, I think
[19:07] <clivejo> sgclark: it looks like the issue with 5.7 was resolved in the update you pushed
[19:07] <clivejo> version 15.12.3
[19:07] <Skuggen> We've fixed quite a few packages with similar issues, but they failed on building, so we caught it sooner
[19:07] <sgclark> oh?
[19:07] <clivejo> just need to fix the depends to use 5.7 now
[19:08]  * sgclark is confused
[19:08] <Skuggen> clivejo: That was for an existing setup, right?
[19:08] <Skuggen> So not a fresh database
[19:08] <clivejo> yes
[19:08] <clivejo> I dunno how it would react to a fresh install
[19:09] <sgclark> why is everyone claiming it is broken?
[19:09] <clivejo> because it appears to be
[19:09] <Skuggen> Broken on new installs
[19:10] <clivejo> you and rbasak uploaded two different versions with different depends
[19:10] <clivejo> my system grabbed rbasak version and broke
[19:11] <BluesKaj> anyone notic ethe broken links to the neon ppa here: http://neon.kde.org/download
[19:11] <BluesKaj> or iso 
[19:11] <Skuggen> sgclark: The dependency on mysql-server/client-core-5.6 | virtual-mysql-server/client-core
[19:12] <clivejo> BluesKaj: Neon is not Kubuntu, you need to ask in #kde-neon
[19:12] <Skuggen> But that dependency will actually work, sort of, since 5.7 provides the virtual package as well
[19:13] <BluesKaj> clivejo, well since JR was involved I thought you guys would have some info 
[19:13] <clivejo> but you have to install 5.7 first
[19:13] <clivejo> otherwise it wants to install 5.6
[19:13] <mamarley> sgclark: clivejo: Skuggen: I can confirm that the package I uploaded to https://launchpad.net/~mamarley/+archive/ubuntu/staging/+packages does fix the Amarok problem, both for new installs and upgrades.
[19:15] <clivejo> mamarley: do it is an issue with Amarok?
[19:15] <clivejo> so
[19:15] <mamarley> clivejo: Correct.
[19:17] <clivejo> is there a bug open for it already?
[19:20] <clivejo> what would we need to get this patch into the archive?
[19:20] <clivejo> Skuggen: do you know any MOTU?
[19:22] <Skuggen> Nope
[19:22] <BluesKaj>  had a lrge upgrade a few hrs ago and the amarok issue seems to have resolved itslf for me at least, I have the landing and staging-plasma ppas installed
[19:22] <Skuggen> clivejo: Probably ask in ubuntu-release
[19:23] <mamarley> clivejo: The Amarok thing? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=354255 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/1571215
[19:23] <Skuggen> mamarley: I'm the reporter on the second one
[19:23] <clivejo> mamarley: would you mind posting your patch on that bug?
[19:24] <sgclark> yeah I do not have rights for amarok. 
[19:24] <mamarley> Skuggen: Oh, cool.  It was actually your patch that I started out using, but I had to modify it because the Amarok code had changed since you wrote it.
[19:24] <mamarley> clivejo: Just the patch or a debdiff?
[19:25] <sgclark> akonadi I do though, is there anything needing done?
[19:25] <clivejo> sgclark: yeah, it needs synced with the archive
[19:25] <Skuggen> mamarley: Ah, no that's the first one, but Terje Røsten (he also works at MySQL)
[19:25] <Skuggen> by*
[19:25] <sgclark> umm what needs synced?
[19:25] <clivejo> and the build deps bumped to 5.7
[19:25] <clivejo> theres been rebuilds 
[19:26] <sgclark> clivejo: rebuild of what? where ? 
[19:26] <mamarley> Skuggen: Ah, OK.  Sorry.
[19:26] <sgclark> I cannot reead minds
[19:29] <clivejo> sgclark: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/a/akonadi/akonadi_15.12.1-0ubuntu4/changelog
[19:30] <sgclark> clivejo: I do not understand what I am suppose to do with a changelog.
[19:31] <clivejo> just add them into the 15.12.3-0ubuntu2 changelog
[19:31] <sgclark> oh ffs
[19:32] <clivejo> there have been uploads to the archive that we havent got in our xenial_archive branch
[19:32] <sgclark> this is why we need to move back to launchpad
[19:32] <clivejo> surely they need to be synced?
[19:33] <mamarley> clivejo: I uploaded a debdiff to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/1571215.  I do not, of course, have the right to upload anything though.
[19:33] <sgclark> right, they made changes without coming to us.............
[19:33] <clivejo> theres beeing nothing big
[19:33] <clivejo> sgclark: *nods*
[19:33] <sgclark> these people are killing me. This is my last release.
[19:33] <clivejo> we can only do what we can do
[19:33] <clivejo> baby steps!
[19:34] <Skuggen> Ah, rbasak can do it I think
[19:34] <clivejo> Ive tried to ping him
[19:35] <clivejo> but ideally we should do it and commit it back to debian
[19:35] <Skuggen> Yeah, he's ok uk time (I'm in Norway), so it's getting late
[19:35] <Skuggen> on uk time*
[19:36]  * clivejo borrows ovidiu-florin's flux capacitor and goes back in time
[19:37] <sgclark> ok so my last upload broke it because we do not have his changes... 
[19:38] <clivejo> well not really
[19:38] <sgclark> this diff is big and scary
[19:38] <clivejo> the problem is that they have decided that 5.7 is the default version in Senile
[19:38] <sgclark> what do you mean not really?
[19:39] <sgclark> this diff is pretty big?
[19:39] <clivejo> and when we built apps we used 5.6
[19:39] <clivejo> what diff?
[19:40] <clivejo> most of the diff is the source code between 15.12.1 and 15.12.3, no?
[19:40] <sgclark> diff of our upload and his changes, looks like source was changed. 
[19:40] <sgclark> I am so confused right now it is not funny
[19:40] <sgclark> I wish I just stayed in bed.
[19:40] <clivejo> the only diff we need to carry on is the packaging
[19:40] <clivejo> the Rebuild against libmysqlclient20 and Depend on mysql-{server,client}-core-5.7, not 5.6, for the switch to
[19:40] <clivejo>     MySQL 5.7.
[19:41] <clivejo> the source code is upstream
[19:41] <clivejo> nout to do with us :P
[19:42] <clivejo> so we just need to add ubuntu3 and ubuntu4 into our packaging
[19:42] <clivejo> bump the version to 4:15.12.3-0ubuntu2 and Bobs your uncle
[19:44] <clivejo> if we do move our packaging to Launchpad will this kind of thing stop happening?
[19:47] <sgclark> yeah we would have the changes
[19:47] <sgclark> because they would be using same repo
[19:48] <sgclark> perhaps he is not aware that we are on debian git. Still would have been nice to get a ping...
[19:48] <clivejo> true
[19:49] <vip> soee: marshmallow for s5 in europe
[19:50] <clivejo> vip:  link?
[19:51] <Mamarok> and why were we not notified about this? I am pretty ure neither Amarok nor Akonadi were told that there were changes needed
[19:51] <vip> clivejo: only in polish, http://android.com.pl/news/62711-marshmallow-dla-samsunga-galaxy-s5-sprawa-ruszyla-do-przodu-i-ota-trafia-do-europy/
[19:51] <clivejo> oh
[19:51] <vip> now it is in north korea and usa, then sri lanka and germany
[19:53] <Mamarok> so if somebody could tell me what needs to be changed, ideally making a review request for it *sigh*
[19:53]  * Mamarok pesters ate unsensible downstream mysql packagers who ruin my 2.9 release
[19:53] <mamarley> Mamarok: I would guess they tried compiling Amarok and Akonadi against the new MySQL and figured that since the compile succeeded that everything was OK.
[19:53] <Mamarok> crap
[19:54] <mamarley> Mamarok: Anyway, I posted a patch that fixes it to that Launchpad bug.
[19:54] <Mamarok> mamarley:  am pretty sure they didn't even try, as they don't give shit about KDE applications
[19:55] <mamarley> I know they tried compiling it but it would seem they never tried running it.
[19:56] <Mamarok> they certainly didn't
[19:57] <Mamarok> can somebody make a patch for upstream, please?
[20:00] <soee> vip: not yet
[20:00] <soee> the state is "Tmobile testing"
[20:00] <sgclark> akonadi uploaded
[20:03]  * clivejo hugs sgclark
[20:03] <clivejo> you're a star
[20:04] <sgclark> sadly I don't think we have anyone on our team that can upload amarok
[20:04] <sgclark> and now I can't even login in launchpad..
[20:04] <clivejo> Im gonna try poke rbasak
[20:04] <clivejo> hes the guy bumped the mysql version to 5.7
[20:05] <sgclark> yeah he is on the server team. Nice guy actually, still mad at him though. hah
[20:05] <Skuggen> We vastly underestimated the amount of work needed to transition from 5.6 to 5.7, unfortunately :|
[20:05] <clivejo> he must have upload rights
[20:06] <Skuggen> Yeah, I see a note from him that he can upload a fix for amarok
[20:06] <clivejo> I wonder could we assign him to that bug with the patch?
[20:12] <clivejo> sgclark: are you seeing the conversation in release channel?
[20:13] <sgclark> clivejo: only the one I am having atm. which conversation?
[20:14] <clivejo> just wondered if you had seen it
[20:15]  * clivejo is encouraged to hear sgclark talk about the next release
[20:15] <sgclark> about muon? I have no interest. I do not see why we insist on keeping a dead package.
[20:15] <clivejo> its not dead!
[20:16] <clivejo> works great actually
[20:16] <sgclark> but upstream is using plasma-discover, why shouldn't we use what upstream wants us to use?
[20:16] <clivejo> Muon is upstream
[20:16] <sgclark> it is only more overhead. And you can see that right? 
[20:16] <clivejo> http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=muon.git
[20:16] <sgclark> clivejo: KDE does not maintain that anymore.
[20:17] <clivejo> but a lot of end users prefer it
[20:17] <clivejo> Carlo is maintaining it
[20:17] <sgclark> if you got someone too, fine. but I am not going to break myself getting it in archive.
[20:17] <clivejo> Rick and Ovidiu have also stepped forward
[20:17] <sgclark> you can fight that fight if you want, just saying I am not.
[20:17] <sgclark> :)
[20:18] <clivejo> ok
[20:18] <sgclark> there are plenty of fires I need to learn how to put out.
[20:18] <clivejo> do I have the rights to upload stuff?
[20:18] <sgclark> No, afraid you need to start studying for -dev
[20:19] <sgclark> I really encourage you to do so. We need you.
[20:19]  * mamarley gives sgclark a fire extinguisher.
[20:20] <clivejo> is there a guide on studing for -dev
[20:21] <sgclark> sadly no
[20:22] <sgclark> Riddell / sitter / shadeslayer / yofel was my guide. 
[20:22]  * sgclark misses the old team
[20:23] <clivejo> me too
[20:25]  * mamarley three
 Well jump to Neon and you are in the same team :)
[20:31] <valorie> ok, have tested Muon from Clive's PPA and it seems to be working well
[20:32] <valorie> I just did my mountain of updates I'd been putting off for a few days
[20:33] <sgclark> I can barely keep up with Kubuntu. No jumping to neon for me. sorry.
[20:34] <sgclark> infact I am failing miserably with Kubuntu.
[20:34] <sgclark> But I tried. heh.
[20:34] <mamarley> sgclark: Don't be too hard on yourself.  You are doing great!
[20:35] <mamarley> Most of the problems that have occurred have not been your fault.
[20:35] <sgclark> Not really. We need someone with MOTU to succeed. 
[20:35] <ScottK> sgclark: If you need something uploaded and it's all ready to go, I don't mind dputing it.
[20:36] <mamarley> sgclark: True, but it isn't your fault that we don't have one of those.
[20:36] <sgclark> The time and commitment required to obtain such a thing, will need to be considered.
[20:36] <clivejo> I volunteered, but they laughed
[20:36] <sgclark> ScottK: !! let me dig up amarok bug
[20:36] <mamarley> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1571215
[20:37] <ScottK> sgclark: Just point me to the source package that I can download/then upload.
[20:37] <sgclark> ScottK: I think this is still in launchpad. Let me see if I can commit patch at least.
[20:38] <ScottK> OK.  I don't wan to mess with git or bzr, just point me at a source package (n a PPA is fine)
[20:38] <mamarley> I uploaded it to https://launchpad.net/~mamarley/+archive/ubuntu/staging/+packages
[20:40] <clivejo> ScottK: how do you feel about Muon?
[20:40] <ScottK> clivejo: If sgclark reviews/approves I'll upload it.
[20:40] <sgclark> ScottK: use mamarley s link
[20:40] <clivejo> thats not gonna happen :(
[20:41] <sgclark> ScottK: it has been tested. (amarok that is)
[20:41] <ScottK> OK.
[20:41] <mamarley> Did someone other than me test it as well?
[20:41] <ScottK> clivejo: I don't have time to really investigate.  I'm happy to be an upload bot for sgclark, but that's about all I can manage.
[20:42]  * sgclark feels special
[20:42] <rbasak> o/
[20:42] <clivejo> hi rbasak
[20:42] <rbasak> I'm just catching up on scrollback in #ubuntu-release.
[20:42] <rbasak> But I need to go :-/
[20:42] <sgclark> hi rbasak I think we have things sorted now
[20:42] <rbasak> Anything I can help with?
[20:42] <rbasak> OK. Sorry for the late change. We were hoping to land MySQL 5.7 much earlier than it did, but got held back by various issues (all resolved now)
[20:43] <sgclark> mysql bit us a few times, but we got it now, just an FYI we are currently on debian git so we did not get your changes.
[20:43] <rbasak> Let me know if you find anything else. I'm happy to help.
[20:43] <sgclark> we are moving back to launchpad next release, so this won't happen.
[20:44] <rbasak> OK. No worries. Sorry I didn't follow the Vcs header. I think we could do with some better tooling on this.
[20:44] <rbasak> (it's partly an issue with who can push there vs. who can upload where and having to do something different for the ~100 packages I needed to update)
[20:44] <mamarley> I would also like to learn the process for staging stuff and doing merges with Debian to ease the workload on everyone else, hopefully.
[20:45] <rbasak> In the server team, we've developed a git-based merge workflow. Tooling is a little behind but we're working on it.
[20:45] <rbasak> It's essentially a rebase workflow for the Ubuntu side.
[20:46] <rbasak> http://www.justgohome.co.uk/blog/2014/08/ubuntu-git-merge-workflow.html was my write-up a while ago. It's developed since then, including keeping the git Ubuntu-side stuff on Launchpad.
[20:46] <ScottK> Mamarok: FYI, regarding your https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=354255#c2 - the commit you reference actually breaks MySQL 5.7 and makes it work with < 5.6.  the patch in the bug makes it work with either.
[20:46] <rbasak> We'll update the docs soon. In case you're interested to use it (no requirement)
[20:46] <mamarley> ScottK: And my patch was based on the patch attached to that bug, but updated since the Amarok code changed since then.
[20:47] <ScottK> mamarley: Yep.
[20:47]  * ScottK is not completely sgclark's muppet.
[20:48] <mamarley> Sorry
[20:51] <ScottK> mamarley: Nothing to apologize for.
[20:51] <ScottK> sgclark and mamarley: amarok uploaded.  
[20:51] <mamarley> Thanks!
[20:51] <ScottK> The release team will still need to manually accept it.
[20:51] <sgclark> thank you very much ScottK
[20:51] <ScottK> you're welcome.
[20:52] <valorie> ScottK: how about uploading Muon?
[20:52] <valorie> from clive's ppa
[20:53] <valorie> I just tested it, and have tested previous fixes as well
[20:53] <ScottK> valorie: if sgclark says it's ready, I'll upload it.
[20:53] <valorie> ok
[20:53] <valorie> <3
[20:53] <valorie> how have you been?
[20:53] <mparillo> Thank you ScottK
[20:53] <ScottK> Busy with life and Debian.
[20:54] <ScottK> Not missing the Canonical/Ubuntu politics.
[20:55] <valorie> seems to be getting friendlier, and more fun
[20:55] <valorie> we even had a party yesterday, and got a bit of the way into packaging
[20:56]  * valorie is reading the Debian Policy manual atm
[20:56]  * sgclark begrudgeonly installs muon from clivejos ppa
[20:57] <valorie> thank you, scarlett!
[20:57] <valorie> <3
[20:58] <ScottK> valorie: Fundamentally, Ubuntu is not at all what it was as a project when I joined a decade ago and I don't see it heading back in that direction, so I'm unlikely to get super involved again.
[20:59] <valorie> ScottK: I still love you!
[20:59] <ScottK> Thanks.
[20:59] <valorie> nothing lasts forever
 @sgclark2 i tested this muon and seems to be fine.
[20:59] <valorie> and you do us good work still, both here and in Debian
[20:59] <valorie> ScottK: what are the Debian devels thinking about snappy?
[21:00] <ScottK> I don't think they are thinking about it at all.
[21:00] <clivejo> ScottK: what are your thoughts on Kubuntu moving packaging to LaunchPad?
[21:01] <ScottK> clivejo: I don't think I have a vote.
[21:01] <valorie> well, more and more people are using vms, and vagrant packages, etc.
[21:01] <clivejo> just curious on your view
[21:02] <ScottK> clivejo: I don't really have an opinion.
[21:02] <valorie> I think snaps might be useful, but as for moving there 100%, that seems not good to me
[21:02] <sgclark> woah what is all this translation stuff going on twith muon install
[21:02] <ScottK> valorie: Yes, but snappy is counter to the way that Debian systems are designed to work.  
[21:02] <sgclark> guess it installed though. 
[21:03] <valorie> ScottK: exactly
[21:03] <mamarley> ScottK: I agree with you there.  It sounds like a Bad Idea.
[21:03] <valorie> and you are our upstream
[21:03] <valorie> to me it seems like one more way to test
[21:03] <valorie> and perhaps get things onto phone or tablet
[21:03] <valorie> but not beyond that
[21:04]  * sgclark thinks muon is not very pretty
[21:04] <clivejo> from first impressions snappy is a way to straight jacket a users control of what gets installed
 Does snappy = a much bigger package size?
[21:04] <ScottK> clivejo: You aren't far off.
[21:04] <sgclark> Could not download packages and clicking details does nothing.
[21:04] <clivejo> just a blob, that the system is told to install
[21:04] <sgclark> clivejo:  ^
[21:04] <ScottK> telegram: If you have any experience with how Android or Apple do system updates, it's like that.
[21:05] <mamarley> Basically, meaning in a sucky way compared to traditional Linux packaging.
[21:05] <ScottK> amarok got accepted.
[21:05] <sgclark> snappy is a bigger package because it bundles all libs etc into the lib
[21:05] <valorie> \o/
[21:06] <mamarley> Which sucks, because then you need to update every package that depends on a library when you update the library.
[21:06] <clivejo> sgclark: you have to mark packages for installation
[21:06] <clivejo> then "Apply Changes"
[21:07] <clivejo> The "Full Upgrade" button marks all packages for which an upgrade is possible, then you have to click Apply for it to go download and install
[21:07] <sgclark> well that details button is broken.
[21:08] <clivejo> wheres the details button?
[21:08] <sgclark> I know what is faioling, the google ppa security strength too low..
[21:08] <sgclark> failed to download packages popup
[21:08] <clivejo> when you clcik on a package the details should be displayed in a panel on the bottom
[21:09] <sgclark> clicking details generally leads to the failure message.
[21:09] <sgclark> I think we are having a failure to communicate moment lol
[21:09]  * clivejo nods
[21:09] <sgclark> so my apt-get update has a failure message. This triggers in muon as expected.
[21:10] <sgclark> but the popup has a button <details> and when clicked, the expected result would be a message box with the failure.
[21:10] <sgclark> instead clicking the button does nothing.
[21:10] <sgclark> not a packaging problem though.
[21:10] <sgclark> code problem.
[21:11] <valorie> that seems broken generally in Plasma, I've noticed
[21:11] <sgclark> ouch
[21:11] <valorie> the details about failures never seem to do anything
[21:11] <valorie> perhaps I should file a bug
[21:11] <sgclark> hmm
[21:11] <sgclark> yes lol
[21:11] <valorie> or maybe it's fixed by now
[21:11] <clivejo> thats true
[21:11] <valorie> when we catch up I'll check
[21:11] <sgclark> otherwise muon seems fine
[21:12] <clivejo> when akonadi was failing for me earlier I noticed the "Details ..." button did nothing
[21:12] <sgclark> ScottK: you have my approval for Muon. thanks
 It needs a lot of love when I've comes to UI/UX
[21:12] <ScottK> sgclark: OK.
[21:12] <clivejo> sgclark: RE: woah what is all this translation stuff going on twith muon install 
[21:12] <ScottK> sgclark: Where do I find it?
[21:12] <clivejo> whats that about
[21:14] <clivejo> its actually two packages libqapt and muon
[21:14] <clivejo> https://launchpad.net/~clivejo/+archive/ubuntu/xenial/
[21:15] <clivejo> oh wait, got an email from Carlo
[21:16] <clivejo> It has been pointed out to me that we shouldn't depend on a patch version (that is qapt 3.0.2). Therefore the release version should be qapt 3.1.0.
[21:17] <clivejo> does that really matter to us at this point?
[21:17] <valorie> when will he make the release, clivejo?
[21:17] <clivejo> didnt say
[21:18] <clivejo> but will involve changes to libqapt version number and also muon cmake 
[21:18] <sgclark> uh come'on
[21:18] <valorie> right, of course
[21:19] <sgclark> I approved the ppa version. no more messing about.
[21:19] <valorie> yeah, we're too close to LTS to mess about
[21:19] <valorie> for sure
[21:19] <valorie> but our first backports should be pretty awesome
[21:19] <clivejo> sgclark: believe me, Im not messing, put too much time into trying to figure it all out
[21:20] <clivejo> but muon at present is uninstallable in Xenial
[21:20] <valorie> what?
[21:20] <valorie> oh, you mean without your PPA version
[21:20] <sgclark> I approved what is in you ppa right now. nothing more.
[21:21] <clivejo> valorie: on a clean Xenial, if you install muon it wont install as it requires libmoun
[21:21] <valorie> right
[21:21] <valorie> which is why we need your ppa
[21:22] <sgclark> oh wait
[21:22] <sgclark> I tested another muon in your ppa...
[21:23] <clivejo> what other muon?
[21:23] <sgclark> https://launchpad.net/~clivejo/+archive/ubuntu/kde
[21:23] <clivejo> should be 4:5.6.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa2 
[21:23] <sgclark> bah
[21:23]  * ScottK waits.
[21:23] <clivejo> no no
[21:23] <clivejo> its in https://launchpad.net/~clivejo/+archive/ubuntu/xenial/
 https://plus.google.com/+AJReissig/posts/DNMMxj1jx48
[21:29] <sgclark> ok works the same as the other one haha. ScottK https://launchpad.net/~clivejo/+archive/ubuntu/xenial/ approved muon and libqapt
[21:29] <ScottK> OK.
[21:31] <clivejo> ScottK: will I remove the PPA cruff and put them in misc ppa ? 
[21:31] <ScottK> It's fine, I can remove that.
[21:33] <valorie> I've removed landing and misc
[21:33] <valorie> I want the real stuff, right from archive
[21:34] <clivejo> you saying mine is fake?!?
[21:34] <valorie> I have your PPA
[21:34] <sgclark> should all be there, well except maybe cantor, but I don't think I am going to be able to learn autopackage testing and how to fix failures in such short time. :(
[21:35]  * sgclark runs away from the mountain of things she needs to learn still
[21:35] <valorie> clivejo: I'm just saying that other from your archive, I'm xenial vanilla
[21:35] <valorie> sgclark: everybody needs time off occasionally!
[21:36] <sgclark> yeah but my time off is spent with my KDE hat. No where to run!
[21:36] <ScottK> clivejo: FYI, there are some changes in the symbols file that weren't done.  I'm taking care of those.
[21:37] <ScottK> Look in debian/libqapt3.symbols for MISSING
[21:37] <clivejo> must have missed them
[21:37] <clivejo> there were a lot!
[21:37] <sgclark> oh no!
[21:38] <valorie> aha, perhaps that's why the buttons weren't working
[21:38] <valorie> missing symbols
[21:40] <ScottK> No.
[21:40] <ScottK> clivejo: muon 5.6 doesn't have a orig tarball.  That won't do.
[21:40] <valorie> sgclark: but you'll end up being super-smart!
[21:40] <valorie> just don't do the exhaustion part
[21:42]  * sgclark tacks super smart onto her resume
[21:44] <clivejo> ScottK: it did have one locally
[21:44] <ScottK> clivejo: It's not in the PPA, is it?
[21:45] <ScottK> Some how you made a native package out of it.  That needs to be fixed.
[21:46] <clivejo> got muon_5.6.0.orig.tar.xz here
[22:00] <ScottK> clivejo: Do you see it here: https://launchpad.net/~clivejo/+archive/ubuntu/xenial/+packages
[22:00] <clivejo> yes
[22:01]  * sgclark does not see muon at all there
[22:01] <clivejo> the source was sent as muon-5.6.0.tar.xz
[22:01] <clivejo> Ive extracted and repacked as tar.gz
[22:01] <clivejo> and trying to upload
[22:02] <ScottK> OK.  Also, please go back and fix the symbols file on libqapt and reupload
[22:02] <sgclark> xz should be fine
[22:02] <clivejo> xz seems to make it into a native package :/
[22:03]  * sgclark is pretty sure all kde is xz
[22:09] <clivejo> now LP is reject it
[22:15] <clivejo> ScottK: sorry for the delay, I had to upload to a new PPA because LP was complaining about source already being there
[22:15] <clivejo> https://launchpad.net/~clivejo/+archive/ubuntu/muon
[22:15] <ScottK> It looks like it was there in an upload you deleted.
[22:15] <clivejo> yeah, I keep forgetting that LP takes ages to actually delete packages
[22:16] <valorie> poor janitor gets tired
[22:16] <clivejo> anyways this is the source - https://launchpad.net/~clivejo/+archive/ubuntu/muon/+files/muon_5.6.0.orig.tar.xz
[22:16] <ScottK> clivejo: Did you check the symbols file is correctnow?
[22:16] <ScottK> OK.
[22:17] <clivejo> ScottK: I believe so, but Im getting so tired, Im making mistakes :(
[22:17] <ScottK> OK.  I'll have a look.
[22:17] <clivejo> sorry, getting late here, its 23:17
[22:18] <ScottK> Just remember.  Sleep is for the weak.
[22:19] <valorie> I thought it was a unix command?
[22:26] <clivejo> ScottK: is Debian planning to package muon?
[22:27] <ScottK> Probably, but I haven't had much time to work on Qt-KDE stuff recently.
[22:27] <valorie> on pins and needles -- is it working?
[22:27] <clivejo> or they too hardcore for GUI's
[22:28]  * clivejo waits on LP to publish
[22:29] <clivejo> ScottK: I removed the PPA versioning from them too
[22:29] <ScottK> Thanks.
[22:29] <ScottK> There's still a few symbols issues.  I'll fix them.
[22:29] <valorie> debian uses GUIs!
[22:30] <valorie> but reading the Policy Manual brings up all sorts of low-level stuff back into my consciousness
[22:30] <clivejo> oh there are new symbols!
[22:32] <ScottK> Yeah.  I have it fixed locally.
[22:32] <ScottK> Doing a test build.
[22:33] <clivejo> ScottK: what do you usually work at?
[22:33] <clivejo> like what do you enjoy doing?
[22:35] <ScottK> I find distro development fun.
[22:35] <ScottK> Between $work, children, etc there's not as much time for fun as I would like.
[22:36] <clivejo> what part of the world are you from?
[22:36] <soee> probably Melmak:)
[22:37] <soee> and here is his photo: http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/nonsensopedia/images/f/fc/Alf-po3.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20060120221031 :D
[22:37] <ScottK> clivejo: you need to bump the minimum libqapt-dev version in build-deps to 3.0.2.
[22:37] <ScottK> clivejo: I'm in the US, outside Baltimore, MD.
[22:41] <clivejo> how to I push new version to my PPA?
[22:41] <clivejo> need to bump libqapt3 (>= 3.0.1+git20160315), libqapt3-runtime (>= 3.0.1+git20160315) as well
[22:44] <ScottK> I'll take care of it.
[22:44] <clivejo> thanks :)
[22:46] <ScottK> For the record, http://hernandotoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Scott-Kitterman.jpg is not me.
[22:47] <clivejo> LOL
[22:47] <clivejo> if it was you, you would probably say that too!
[22:48] <sgclark> lol
[22:50] <valorie> having met Scott, I guarantee that last photo is not him!
[22:50] <ScottK> I can be found here http://i.imgur.com/dTcH1.jpg
[22:50] <valorie> who is on your right there, ScottK?
[22:51] <clivejo> I think I only recognise two people there
[22:51] <valorie> 5 I recognize, 4 I don't
[22:51] <sgclark> One of these years we need to meet ScottK, I am in your neck of the woods every year.
[22:51] <clivejo> which one is Scott?
[22:51] <valorie> Rohan, Aurelien, someone (Jussi?) ScottK
[22:52] <valorie> then 3 unknowns
[22:52] <clivejo> who beside Jon?
[22:52] <valorie> kneeling, Alex Fiestas and Riddell
[22:52] <ScottK> On my right (photographer left) is Jussi.
[22:52] <valorie> he was younger then
[22:53] <valorie> now all responsible and a dad and stuff
[22:53] <ScottK> We all where.
[22:53] <ScottK> were
[22:53] <sgclark> in fact I will be there end of July
[22:53] <clivejo> where was that?
[22:53] <ScottK> UDS-R
[22:55] <clivejo> what is a felony?
[22:55] <sgclark> yoou did very bad things 
[22:56] <sgclark> and got arrested, generally followed up with prison time
[22:56] <clivejo> I heard it in movies and assumed it was bad
[22:56] <sgclark> (commited a crime)
[22:56] <valorie> 'tis
[22:56] <valorie> not just a misdemeanor, but a serious crime
[22:57]  * clivejo remembers back to the time he almost got arrested on a bus in Pittsburgh
[22:58] <clivejo> that was probably a felony
[22:58] <valorie> what?
[22:58] <valorie> what were you doing, evil Irishman?
[22:58] <sgclark> what did you do?!
[22:58] <clivejo> being too Irish
[22:58] <valorie> oh dear
[22:59] <valorie> that sounds serious
[22:59] <clivejo> I asked my friend if he had any crack today
[22:59] <ScottK> OK.  libqapt and muon uploaded.
[22:59] <valorie> rofl
[22:59] <ScottK> Up to you all to convince the release team to accept them.
[22:59] <ScottK> sgclark: ^^^
[22:59] <valorie> ScottK: thank you ever so much
[22:59] <sgclark> ScottK: thanks!!
[22:59] <clivejo> off duty police man overheard it and assumed I was dealing
[22:59] <sgclark> we already have Ffe approved
[22:59] <ScottK> clivejo: Where do you live?
[22:59] <sgclark> clivejo: lol
[23:00] <clivejo> Co Fermanagh, N Ireland
[23:00] <clivejo> green, wet and cold
[23:00] <clivejo> and living 30years behind the rest of the world
[23:01] <ScottK> I believe I have been there.
[23:01] <clivejo> like a time bubble
[23:01] <clivejo> you would know if you have been here!
[23:01] <ScottK> I don't recall exactly the route I went on when I was in NI.
[23:01] <clivejo> what where you doing?
[23:01] <clivejo> were
[23:02] <ScottK> I lived in Dublin for half a year when I was at University on an exchanged program and at one point rented a car to see the sites, including up north.
[23:02] <ScottK> s/exchanged/exchange
[23:02] <clivejo> during the troubles?
[23:02] <ScottK> Sort of.  It would have been in 1985, so they weren't over, but they weren't horrible at the time.
[23:02] <clivejo> must have been a shock for ya
[23:04] <ScottK> Not really as I've studied world politics and history a lot, although going through one British Army check point at night and failing to dim the car's headlights got a bit tense.
[23:04] <ScottK> Second time in my life I had a loaded gun pointed at me.
[23:04] <clivejo> I remember picking up a car load of Americans in Dublin and as we approached a border checkpoint there was army men point guns at us.  They totally freaked out and started screaming!
[23:04] <valorie> that's no fun
[23:05] <clivejo> they'd never seen someone with a gun before
[23:05] <clivejo> I thought everyone and their dog had on in the US
[23:05] <valorie> the news does portray us that way indeed
[23:06] <sgclark> lol
[23:06] <clivejo> I was used to them, but to someone whos not those checkpoints must have been scarey
[23:06] <valorie> there was that time that sgclark and I were waving guns about....
[23:06] <sgclark> I had aka-47 machine guns pointed at me in Mexico
[23:06] <valorie> never happened!
[23:06] <sgclark> lol
[23:06] <valorie> ooooo
[23:07] <sgclark> that was intense
[23:07] <valorie> machine guns are a bit touchy
[23:07] <sgclark> was a time when they were fighting drug cartels
[23:07] <valorie> no ma'am, no thank you
[23:07] <clivejo> LP #1571262
[23:07]  * clivejo giggles
[23:07] <sgclark> lol
[23:07] <clivejo> thats critial
[23:08] <valorie> lol
[23:09] <clivejo> and assigned to Sebastian Lackner
[23:09] <clivejo> might be his
[23:12]  * clivejo loves kde-connect
[23:12] <sgclark> me too
[23:12] <valorie> amen, it's lovely
[23:15] <clivejo> anyone use bitcoin?
[23:16] <sgclark> no, still not even sure what it is...
[23:16] <clivejo> electronic payment system
[23:17] <ScottK> bitcoin is dead.
[23:17] <clivejo> but feels like a bit of a pyramid scheme
[23:17] <valorie> once the thieves proved they could steal it, it sort of died
[23:18] <clivejo> if you have computing power you can mine them
[23:18] <valorie> right, but what's the point?
[23:18] <clivejo> transfer money
[23:18] <valorie> security was the point, and it is proven not to be secure
[23:18] <valorie> clivejo: I agree we need that
[23:19] <valorie> but so far, we limp along with paypal
[23:19] <clivejo> I dont think the security was broken
[23:19] <valorie> which sucks indeed
[23:19] <clivejo> it was the wallets the key were stored got stolen
[23:20] <clivejo> maybe move this to offtopic!
[23:20] <valorie> perhaps I'm a dunce, but I fail to see the diff
[23:20] <valorie> yes
[23:21]  * sgclark rebooting after updates brb
[23:23] <clivejo> sgclark: did you use muon to upgrade?
[23:24] <sgclark> clivejo: no but I installed stuff with it earlier.
[23:25]  * sgclark is a console person
[23:25] <clivejo> it grows on you 
[23:25] <clivejo> I been using it for a few weeks now
[23:25] <valorie> I use it mostly for information
[23:26] <sgclark> if I were to go to a store I would likely use discover, very pretty
[23:26] <valorie> the search is good, and the tabs are handy in each package display
[23:26] <valorie> I don't like software stores
[23:26] <valorie> but I usually use the cli also
[23:26] <sgclark> yeah seem like overkill lol
[23:26] <valorie> fast, simple
[23:26] <sgclark> exactly
[23:27] <sgclark> I generally know what I want to install :)
[23:28] <valorie> me too, but I look stuff up for other people all the time 
[23:28] <valorie> in #kubuntu
[23:29] <sgclark> cool
[23:39] <ScottK> qapt was accepted.
[23:39] <ScottK> Still waiting on muon.
[23:43] <clivejo> ScottK: release channel have picked it up
[23:43] <clivejo> few concerns
[23:50]  * ScottK waits for the comments section in his blog to explode: https://skitterman.wordpress.com/2016/04/16/future-of-secure-systems-in-the-us/
[23:51] <ScottK> (although not as much as when I published the KC/CC email dialog)
[23:52] <sgclark> ahh blog.. I need to do that
[23:54] <ScottK> muon accepted too
[23:55] <clivejo> :) thanks ScottK
[23:55] <mamarley> ScottK: Richard Burr is the worst.  I didn't vote for him last time and I won't vote for him this time either.
[23:59] <ScottK> mamarley: I don't know that it matters who wrote the bill.  I don't get a sense that it would have been much different if the vast majority of Senators or Congressmen had written it.