[00:22] <ali1234> daftykins: is it running on a VM?
[00:22] <ali1234> i saw that type of behaviour once when the VM had plenty of "normal" memory but very low kernel dedicated memory due to the virtualization memory sharing
[00:32] <daftykins> ali1234: nah, a guys physical host that's a hex core AMD with 8GB RAM i think
[02:31] <daftykins> heya
[02:31] <daftykins> long time no see :>
[02:32] <ball> Hello daftykins!
[02:32] <daftykins> how goes it?
[02:33] <ball> daftykins: It goes. I'm currently installing CubLinux in a VM to see what it does.
[02:33] <ball> I'm trying to improve my tolerance for Linux ;-)
[02:34] <daftykins> ah, funny name - is it yet another ubuntu derivative, or?
[02:35] <ball> Possibly. I'm told it's somewhere between Ubuntu and ChromiumOS
[02:35] <ball> What that means in practice I have yet to see ;-)
[02:35] <daftykins> hmm yeah that's a puzzling label
[02:35] <daftykins> i just looked up where my new PC case i ordered from amazon, is
[02:35] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/bfqpryih0sn94zh/dhl.png?dl=0
[02:36] <daftykins> it would appear DHL Germany, at least in that town, has never heard of the Channel Islands
[02:36] <ball> heh.
[02:36] <ball> That's messed up.
[02:36] <ball> daftykins: What case did you get?
[02:37] <daftykins> i plumped for the Antec P280, quite the fan of the 180 i bought back in 2007 - just no USB 3 :)
[02:37] <ball> the case I just bought has USB 3.0 but my mainboard doesn't.
[02:37] <ball> brb, baby's crying
[02:37] <daftykins> doh! you could get a cheap card perhaps
[02:38] <ball> daftykins: Not for this mainboard ;-)
[02:38] <ball> It has no PCIe slots.
[02:38] <daftykins> oh not standard eh
[02:38] <daftykins> i had to improvise - https://www.dropbox.com/s/1rwqr9u3b2ym1xv/image-20160414_183125.jpg?dl=0
[02:39] <ball> It's standard ...it's just old.
[02:40] <ball> mITX with one parallel 32-bit PCI slot.
[02:40] <ball> Probably 32-bit 33 MHz
[02:43] <daftykins> ah yeah
[02:43] <daftykins> hmm that might exist :>
[02:46] <ball> I'll be back, hopefully in an hour or two.
[06:56] <mappps> hi
[09:00] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[17:10] <daftykins> \o
[17:11] <daftykins> hrmm my change of maxconnectionsperchild caused MySQL to fall over instead, interesting
[17:26] <ChunkzZ> anyone here with virgin media?
[17:27] <penguin42> ChunkzZ: Yeh
[17:27] <ChunkzZ> I just logged in to my vm, it says I can upgrade to 70mbps from 50mbps. is it free? their chat isn't open right now...
[17:28] <ChunkzZ> penguin42, ^
[17:28] <ChunkzZ> what I mean is, have you had this too?
[17:28] <penguin42> ChunkzZ: Ah, I guess is the new Vivid thing
[17:29] <penguin42> ChunkzZ: So they promised everyone they'd be doing an upgrade - when it happens depends on your area
[17:30] <ChunkzZ> yeah, it says it's ready in my area.
[17:30] <penguin42> ChunkzZ: Mine still says the upgrade is coming between July and September - although it originally said it was December last year, so who the heck knows
[17:30] <penguin42> ChunkzZ: I'd go for it
[17:32] <penguin42> ChunkzZ: Actually I don't really need the 50-70 upgrade; what I do want is the increase in upstream bandwidth they're giving at the same time
[17:33] <diddledan> ChunkzZ: they might need to send you a new modem thingy which costs £5.99 for the delivery. otherwise it’s all free to upgrade and it doesn’t affect your contract length (i.e. if you can leave now then you’ll still be able to leave now even though you’ve upgraded)
[17:36] <ChunkzZ> diddledan, I already have the sh2.
[17:37] <ChunkzZ> I paid £20 for it so time back
[17:37] <ChunkzZ> I only asked because my xbox one is killing downloads speed lol done 100gb or some so far :/
[17:38] <ChunkzZ> anyway, off for a while. thanks! XD
[17:40] <daftykins> diddledan: ever seen a 'googlebot' hammering a site every second?
[17:40] <daftykins> seems to be what's trashing my mates web server
[17:41] <diddledan> hmm
[17:41] <penguin42> daftykins: Hmm Google are normally pretty good at not doing that
[17:41] <daftykins> seems suspect doesn't it, yeah
[17:42] <daftykins> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15877703/
[17:43]  * penguin42 bets it's not google
[17:43] <daftykins> *nod* funny that i did ask if him or his friend who has a site on the same box had any enemies lately ;)
[17:44] <daftykins> seems to be a dutch IP
[17:45] <daftykins> what might be the best way to block that IP from causing trouble? this guy only runs his machine from home
[17:47] <penguin42> you could add an iptables drop rule for that IP,b ut if it is someone doing something nasty on purpose it'll probably change IP
[17:47] <daftykins> looks like apache has a .htaccess IP blocking param
[17:51]  * penguin42 prefers to block at the IP level as a drop - potentially less traffic and they just see timeouts rather than immediate errors
[17:52] <daftykins> makes sense, i just didn't want to jump to filtering too quick, just have a quick glance at what this'll do first
[17:52] <penguin42> nod
[17:53] <penguin42> a lot of the things are scanning for particular php installations
[17:58] <daftykins> hmm yeah requests spamming are still hitting apache, so time to learn the ufw trickery
[17:58] <daftykins> i wonder if i can do anything on his home router though
[17:58] <daftykins> probably pointless to look
[18:02] <penguin42> there's a chance that the router might have a thing to block by IP
[18:04] <daftykins> looks like Austrian ISPs are in on the whole secondary SSID to give out free wifi, too
[18:04] <daftykins> bet he doesn't even know :>
[18:05] <zmoylan-pi> what's yours is theirs...
[18:08] <daftykins> are there any issues with just rm'ing a bunch of old gzipped rotated logs?
[18:08] <daftykins> all this bot action has created 50 something .gz's in /var/log/apache2/
[18:11] <daftykins> mm looking much better now, thanks for the replies penguin42 :)
[18:13] <m0nkey_> Any thoughts on this monitor? http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236294
[18:13] <m0nkey_> It's on sale and thinking of getting it
[18:14] <zmoylan-pi> it'd take a determined cat to slepp on top of that... :-)
[18:14] <daftykins> have you got the hardware to drive that resolution, m0nkey_ ?
[18:14] <m0nkey_> daftykins, yes
[18:14] <daftykins> what'll it be on?
[18:15] <daftykins> looks like a PLS/IPS panel so that should be nice :)
[18:15] <m0nkey_> It'll be on my Windows machine, GTX 960.  Did consider a 4K but I'd need a 980Ti to drive it.
[18:15] <daftykins> ah plenty new enough card then :) my 560Ti can't handle it
[18:15] <daftykins> does your 960 not have displayport out?
[18:16] <m0nkey_> It has display port, hdmi and dvi.
[18:16] <daftykins> pretty certain a 960 would do 4K out then
[18:16] <m0nkey_> I find 4K a tad too high, it looks very nice, but find text looks tiny.
[18:17] <m0nkey_> especially in things like consoles, irc. etc.. i know i can adjust the font :P
[18:17] <daftykins> yeah, scaling controls are still a bit iffy too
[18:17] <daftykins> i have the 1920x1080 panel model of this Dell XPS 13 9350 laptop and find it's ideal, all this QHD stuff is a waste
[18:18] <m0nkey_> heh, just looked to see what outputs I have, 1 dvi, 1 hdmi and 3xdisplay port
[18:19] <m0nkey_> Other option is to save $50 and get the 25" model.. http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236453
[18:20] <m0nkey_> The 25" model actually appears to be better spec'd
[18:20]  * daftykins glances
[18:21] <daftykins> http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Productcompare.aspx?CompareItemList=-1|24-236-453^24-236-453%2C24-236-294^24-236-294
[18:21] <daftykins> looks like it claims 2 x DVI on the 25" too
[18:22] <daftykins> you would definitely want to use DP, of course - so might want to check what cables you get
[18:22] <daftykins> i would imagine input lag checking would be worth it if you are a gamer too
[18:23] <m0nkey_> both screens come with vga, dvi, hdmi and dp cables
[18:23] <daftykins> neat
[18:23] <daftykins> m0nkey_: did i show you my new build?
[18:23] <m0nkey_> nope
[18:24] <daftykins> currently the case is much delayed since my first one was damaged, so the floorputer had to be done... https://www.dropbox.com/s/1rwqr9u3b2ym1xv/image-20160414_183125.jpg?dl=0
[18:24] <m0nkey_> lol
[18:24] <daftykins> got myself an i7 6700 with 32GB RAM and the samsung 950 Pro M.2 NVMe SSD on the corner of the motherboard beside the PCH there
[18:25] <daftykins> using my old nvidia GTX 560Ti until the new mid-range generation cards are announced in June/July
[18:25] <ChunkzZ> daftykins, lmao
[18:25] <zmoylan-pi> will 32gb of ram be enough? :-)
[18:25] <ChunkzZ> I thought my 8gb ram 120gb ssd quad amd was good haha
[18:25] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: i virtualise a lot, so maybe!
[18:25] <daftykins> ChunkzZ: :) only cost me £600 for the lot, the PSU + graphics being from my old build
[18:26]  * zmoylan-pi slums it on 4gb laptop... AND 1gb rasp pi b
[18:26] <ChunkzZ> nice! I paid £140 for mine.
[18:26] <m0nkey_> So, would you go with the 25 or 27" display? Thee 27" is currently on sale
[18:27] <ChunkzZ> I'm on my pi 2 right now, 16gb sandisk ultra sd card. overclocked and over volted it. runs fast as hell now.
[18:27] <ChunkzZ> stable, too. I love it not costing much to run. XD
[18:27] <daftykins> m0nkey_: hmm, well i had a 25" 2560x1440 Dell U2515H in the other day and i found it quite a nice size, guess it depends on your desk + seated distance really
[18:27] <zmoylan-pi> overclocking a pi... :-)
[18:27] <m0nkey_> My current display is 24" and I like it's size
[18:27] <m0nkey_> So 25" wouldn't take much more space
[18:28] <m0nkey_> Also, it seems the specs are slightly better on the 25" model
[18:28] <daftykins> *nod* i quite like my 24s
[18:28] <zmoylan-pi> whereas 27" will mean lifting the mouse at least once to get the pointer to other side of the screen... :-D
[18:28] <daftykins> so funny i've had DisplayPort capable displays since 2008 and yet not owned anything to use them...
[18:29] <ChunkzZ> lmao total xbox one usage, 59.28GB...dahell
[18:30] <daftykins> traffic? welcome to modern title patching
[18:30] <ChunkzZ> yeah, didn't think it was possible on 50mbps
[18:30] <ChunkzZ> lol
[18:30] <ChunkzZ> 65gb for gta v :/
[18:31] <daftykins> i still tend to buy discs, but the patches post install are still chunky :D
[18:31] <daftykins> no such thing as a "quick game" anymore i find, always some huge patch to throw on
[18:31] <ChunkzZ> yeah :/
[18:31] <daftykins> i don't let my lounge stuff run on the whole 'not really turned off' mode
[18:32] <ChunkzZ> only thing of mine that is always on is my pi 2
[18:32] <ChunkzZ> everything else is more or less off
[18:33] <zmoylan-pi> i have 1 switch in bedroom that turns off everything and 1 in kitchen that turns off all but the pi and wifi ap it's connected to
[18:34] <daftykins> mmm i do that with my TV area, although sometimes it makes a nasty POP when i click the one with more gear on it on, not too pleasant :)
[18:35] <zmoylan-pi> and i also have 1-2 timer switches that turn things connected off at certain times.  like night time and times when i'll be out of the house.  so if i accidently leave something on it gets switched off if i don't over ride it
[18:36] <daftykins> makes me laugh when playing on the xbox with some friends that haven't bothered to turn off the power save settings that auto power off after x hours
[18:36] <daftykins> you hear this mad scramble for the remote :D
[18:36] <daftykins> after 5 times you'd think they'd take the 20 seconds to turn it off...
[18:37] <zmoylan-pi> it powers off even if you are still using it??
[18:38] <daftykins> yeah, really odd idea
[18:43] <zmoylan-pi> they'll release a super cool rentable bot that will not cut the power while you're using it for $5 a month... :-)
[18:44] <penguin42> you'd think you could key off the activity and not turn it off if it was in use
[18:44] <zmoylan-pi> shhhhh, my way makes a tonne of money... :-)
[18:45] <daftykins> penguin42: yeah, i think it only happened with external input devices over HDMI - tough to gauge i would imagine
[18:46] <daftykins> i just turn all that junk off and use mine as a glorified monitor :)
[18:48] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: What does your bot do when it's not not doing that?
[18:48] <zmoylan-pi> does the usual nsa snooping... :-)
[18:48] <penguin42> oh ok, I just wondered if you need to keep it away from sharp implements
[18:49] <zmoylan-pi> for your protection...
[18:49] <zmoylan-pi> nah.... sharp never entered the console market i don't think... :-P
[18:50] <penguin42> hmm I would be surprised if they never did
[18:50] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: Does https://www.msx.org/wiki/Sharp_HB-8000 count?
[18:50]  * zmoylan-pi looks...
[18:50] <zmoylan-pi> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_Famicom
[18:52] <penguin42> that is closer
[18:52] <zmoylan-pi> i can put my hand on my heart and say i never heard of either of them...
[18:53] <zmoylan-pi> a shame as sharp made some great hardware
[18:53] <penguin42> I'd guessed they made an MSX but didn't know for sure
[19:23] <rindolf> Hi all. Long time.
[19:24] <daftykins> \o
[19:24] <daftykins> welcome back
[19:26] <rindolf> daftykins: thanks! How are you?
[19:27] <penguin42> rindolf: Hey
[19:27] <daftykins> all good here ta, just playing with VMs on my new PC - yourself?
[19:28] <rindolf> daftykins: today I worked on inkscape and previously on mageia.
[19:28] <zmoylan-pi> is it a new pc if it doesn't have a case yet? :-)
[19:28] <rindolf> and i tried to play Hashi but didn't have the nerve for it.
[19:28] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: totally!
[19:29] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: Is it a new PC if you replace everything except the case?
[19:29] <rindolf> penguin42: hi, whats' new?
[19:29] <zmoylan-pi> no it's an upgraded pc... even if the only part from the original is the case
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> according to Microsoft, as soon as you replace the motherboard/CPU it's a new PC, I think?
[19:30] <daftykins> i kept the PSU and graphics card, plus drives
[19:31] <zmoylan-pi> sometimes a new network card can make microsoft twitchy
[19:31] <penguin42> rindolf: Not much, all good
[19:32] <rindolf> penguin42: nice
[20:00] <directhex_> i think the licensing thing is pretty much "upgrade motherboard"
[20:00] <directhex_> but it's not my department
[20:08] <daftykins> yeah it's x number of device changes, typically 3+ major components
[20:54] <directhex_> that's WGA checks, which is orthogonal to the actual license permissions
[20:55] <directhex_> you can change your GPU a hundred times, and you're licensed to do so
[20:58] <daftykins> hmm i don't agree, plus that's only a single item
[20:59] <daftykins> not really seen a lot of this in practice since XP days, mind you
[21:02] <directhex> WGA is a coarse effort to implement the licensing requirements. it is not, in itself, the licensing requirements
[21:02] <directhex> if you get told to bog off by WGA, you phone the phone activation number, and you get activated. you're not being sneaky, as long as you haven't upgraded your motherboard
[21:02] <daftykins> sounds a lot like hair splitting, this convo
[21:03] <zmoylan-pi> it did mark a new level of ms sneakiness when they installed the wga software as a performance improvement piece of software iirc
[21:03] <directhex> (directly replacing one board with another under something you could consider a warranty replacement is fine)
[21:03] <directhex> which of us is the MS employee? :p
[21:04] <zmoylan-pi> i used to work just around the corner from ms in ireland... there were times when we had problems with their software were the joke in the office was to pop around with a baseball bat and ask them /directly/ :-P
[21:05] <daftykins> i'm not aware of anyones employment status!
[21:11] <ali1234> licencing is pretty much the art of hair splitting, what did you expect?
[21:11] <zmoylan-pi> it more than anything else drove me to linux.  not having to worry about licence keys and activations and other such silly barriers
[21:12] <daftykins> probably for the necessary granularity to not go undetected
[21:12] <daftykins> yeah, i can see how it might
[21:13] <zmoylan-pi> of course at the time i had to activate a lot of win xp over a touch tone phone on hands free typeing in 36 digit number on phone and then on keyboard to activate so that might have biased me somewhat... :-)
[21:13] <ali1234> well the GPL has just as much scope for disagreement as any other licence
[21:14] <zmoylan-pi> that's why we have so many variants of gpl
[21:15] <diddledan> Just have to look at the zfs issue for that
[21:21] <daftykins> :)
[21:43] <popey> evening
[21:43] <daftykins> \o
[21:47] <directhex> is it?
[21:47] <directhex> we should ban those
[21:47] <zmoylan-pi> could be worse... could be the long dark tea time of the soul...
[21:47] <popey> Die Hard 2 on C4+1 \o/
[21:48] <daftykins> haha, checking that friends web server again i see another googlebot, but this time it's actually a google IP
[21:48] <zmoylan-pi> great christmas movie... goes well with all the family squabbles...
[21:49] <daftykins> :D
[21:49] <daftykins> find it odd when you folk are excited by films on broadcast TV given modern tech though
[21:49] <zmoylan-pi> well i have a dvd rip here of die hard 1-4 iirc
[21:49] <popey> i like surprises
[21:50] <daftykins> one step better than my dad hanging onto his VHS collection of recorded-from-TV including the 10 o'clock news
[21:50]  * zmoylan-pi ties popey's shoelaces together... :-P
[21:50] <ali1234> "After this operation, 1,462 MB disk space will be freed."
[21:50] <zmoylan-pi> someone in another irc channel on hearing the news of blake 7 actors death is now rummaging for his vhs or dvd set of blakes 7... didn't have betamax for some reason...
[21:51] <ali1234> i'm slightly worried by this
[21:51] <daftykins> ali1234: haha
[21:51] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: channel 4 from 9 this evening
[21:52] <diddledan> Oh popey already said
[21:53] <ali1234> well i couldn't figure out how to use solr
[21:53] <zmoylan-pi> and been on c4 they won't edit out rude language... they'll edit in extra... :-)
[21:54] <diddledan> Someone on the news on 4 at around 6:30 said the b word
[21:55] <zmoylan-pi> brexit?
[21:55] <popey> Bernie?
[21:55] <zmoylan-pi> budget?
[21:55] <penguin42> belgium?
[21:55] <zmoylan-pi> oooooh belguim... how rude... to the americans...
[21:57] <diddledan> Ruddy
[21:57] <zmoylan-pi> http://hitchhikers.wikia.com/wiki/Belgium
[22:00] <penguin42> haha I hadn't realised that it was used only in American versions of the 3rd novel
[22:02] <zmoylan-pi> i only heard about the american version when douglas adams died and it was discussed on slashdot and one group of geeks was looking at the others going what the hell are you talking about belgium for?
[22:04] <zmoylan-pi> you just expect the book to be the same everywhere
[22:04] <zmoylan-pi> i think it's when i first heard of last chance to see as well...
[22:07] <popey> oops.. E: Unable to locate package kinkscape
[22:09] <daftykins> Freud would be proud
[22:10] <ali1234> blah this sucks
[22:11] <daftykins> package hell?
[22:11] <ali1234> yes
[22:11] <ali1234> solr 3 is useless
[22:11] <ali1234> newer versions need java 8
[22:11] <ali1234> is juju still a thing?
[22:12] <directhex> i ended up using make-jpkg to put oracle java 8 on my servers
[22:12] <ali1234> there is supposedly a ppa but i ain't touching that
[22:12] <daftykins> is that because gentoo, or you don't fancy using webupd8's PPA?
[22:12] <daftykins> i think they essentially package oracle's installer
[22:13] <ali1234> this is ridiculous. i just want a turnkey search appliance. i don't want to write schemas. i don't even know what a schema is.
[22:15] <directhex> it's someone who sits & makes evil plots
[22:15] <zmoylan-pi> minimum requirements, one volcano base
[22:16] <daftykins> one Brains
[22:16] <penguin42> popey: Oh, that'll be the vector plugin for gimp then?
[22:16] <zmoylan-pi> baldrick came up with schemas
[22:18] <penguin42> ali1234: https://xapian.org/docs/omega/overview.html ?
[22:18] <daftykins> the most cunning schemas of all
[22:19] <ali1234> penguin42: reading...
[22:19] <penguin42> ali1234: xapian-omega package  - not tried it but someone I know I think was involved in the search stuff a while back
[22:19] <zmoylan-pi> but it does cast a little doubt on the brains requirement...
[22:20] <ali1234> https://xapian.org/docs/omega/quickstart.html that looks easy enough...
[22:27] <sebsebseb> hi
[22:39] <ali1234> hmm... this seems pretty speedy
[22:46] <ali1234> seems to work
[22:46] <ali1234> just got to get the cgi onto the webpage now
[23:24] <ali1234> http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/teletext/search.cgi - it works
[23:25] <penguin42> oh I wondered if that's what you were using it for :-)
[23:26] <penguin42> http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/teletext/bbc1/1997-01-10-0047.2/623.html
[23:28] <penguin42> ali1234: Could probably do with filtering out the teletext characters from the search results somehow
[23:28] <ali1234> yeah, not sure how i'd do that
[23:28] <ali1234> even better would be to display them properly
[23:28] <ali1234> that might actually be easier
[23:28] <ali1234> just add the right css
[23:29] <penguin42> you've got the display stuff done in CSS ? Neat - even double height?
[23:29] <ali1234> yeah
[23:29] <ali1234> it's pure html
[23:29] <ali1234> no images at all
[23:29] <penguin42> very nice
[23:29] <penguin42> http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/teletext/bbc1/1982-12-29-0027.2/702.html
[23:29] <ali1234> yeah telesoftware
[23:30] <penguin42> there are a few noticeable errors on most pages - like the CEEFA( in that one - I hate to think about the code
[23:30] <ali1234> http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/teletext/bbc1/1985-12-22-0056.1/720.html
[23:30] <ali1234> page numbers are also links
[23:30] <ali1234> but only if the page actually exists
[23:30] <ali1234> (fastext as well)
[23:32] <penguin42> hth did you manage to get double height decoded in CSS
[23:34] <ali1234> it uses a different font which is half width and font-size:200%;
[23:35] <ali1234> it isn't done with two rows of text like mode7
[23:35] <ali1234> the html generator just turns it into one line
[23:36] <penguin42> ah ok
[23:37] <ali1234> i'm out of vhs tapes now
[23:37]  * penguin42 may have a pile
[23:37] <ali1234> i kind of want to ask people to send me more, but i don't want to get thousands of tapes
[23:38] <ali1234> mainly because there's bound to be people who dont understand they have to be recorded off the tv
[23:40] <penguin42> yeh
[23:53] <zmoylan-pi> did bbc not keep archive of ceefax?
[23:53] <ali1234> nope
[23:55] <zmoylan-pi> did bbc website offer access to ceefax pages? rte irelands tv station did.
[23:55] <ali1234> not that i know of
[23:56] <ali1234> it's the same stuff. all the systems were linked
[23:56] <zmoylan-pi> there was a crude version that could be reached via web.  might be on waybackmachine
[23:56] <ali1234> i have pages back to 1982
[23:57] <ali1234> other people have recovered pages from the 70s