[04:21] <inetpro> good evening everyone 
[05:30] <Wolfeyes> morning everyone
[05:31] <zipper> Wolfeyes: Morning
[05:31] <zipper> :)
[05:32] <Wolfeyes> How you zipper
[05:35] <zipper> Doing great
[05:38] <Wolfeyes> Well that is awesome, where you from zipper?
[05:42] <Wolfeyes> oh boy
[05:46] <Wolfeyes> brb
[06:05] <magespawn> good morning
[06:12] <Kilos> morning all
[06:16] <zipper> Kilos: Hello
[06:17] <Kilos> hi zipper 
[06:17] <zipper> I got her email address.
[06:17] <Kilos> cool ty
[06:17] <Kilos> do you have mine
[06:17] <zipper> Not at all
[06:17] <Kilos> or must i rather give you his
[06:18] <zipper> No requirements
[06:18] <zipper> I take all forms of contact currenct
[06:18] <zipper> *currency
[06:18] <zipper> Let me PM you
[06:18] <Kilos> ok
[06:30] <Kilos-> ai! bad connection day it seems
[06:34] <Kilos> hi kmf 
[06:34] <Kilos> everyone is either sleeping late or shopping already
[06:42] <Kilos> hi bushtech 
[06:43] <bushtech> morning Kilos
[07:02] <Langjan> Goeiemore manne, lekker geslaap?
[07:02] <Kilos> more Langjan ja dankie en jy
[07:03] <Kilos> net gister se buite werk klap kop vandag ietwat
[07:03] <Kilos> so ek kan stadig wees
[07:03] <Langjan> eks van voor 4 afop om rugby te kyk
[07:04] <Kilos> ai!
[07:04] <Langjan> Singapore sevens
[07:04] <Kilos> ek maak hek opp vir sus gou
[07:04] <Langjan> ok
[07:04] <Kilos> oop
[07:04] <Langjan> bed op en hek oop
[07:04] <Kilos> sharks net nou
[07:04] <Langjan> ja!
[07:06] <Langjan> The drive is just cd so I tried Ubuntu 12.04 on cd, still no luck now hd is running on my machine ready to be formatted but dont know if its sda, sdb?
[07:08] <Kilos> lol
[07:08] <Kilos> is it ide
[07:09] <Kilos> and yours sata?
[07:09] <Langjan> Dont know
[07:10] <Kilos> has the drive for her got a broad cable to connect
[07:10] <Kilos> sata is a thing cable
[07:10] <Kilos> thin
[07:10] <Langjan> yes both have
[07:10] <Kilos> ok so both ide
[07:10] <Langjan> no sorry mine is ssd
[07:10] <Langjan> small cable
[07:10] <Kilos> ok
[07:11] <Kilos> so yours is sata
[07:11] <Langjan> if you say so
[07:11] <Kilos> iirc the ide always grabs sda
[07:11] <Langjan> ?
[07:11] <Kilos> if i remember correctly
[07:12] <Kilos> open disks
[07:12] <Langjan> http://askubuntu.com/questions/488213/how-to-add-a-second-hard-drive-to-an-already-installed-xubuntu-14-04
[07:12] <Langjan> ok
[07:12] <Kilos> what all is on the xubuntu drive
[07:13] <Kilos> maybe you can see by checking size
[07:14] <Kilos> you know you can just put your dvdrom in there and install 14.04
[07:14] <Langjan> 158 GB et 4 partition and two small 2.1, one is swap the other extended
[07:14] <Langjan> oh
[07:15] <Langjan> ok
[07:16] <Langjan> It wont mess my running system up?
[07:17] <Kilos> what
[07:17] <Kilos> removing the dvdrom?
[07:18] <Langjan> oh you men put my dvd rom in that machine?
[07:18] <Kilos> yes
[07:18] <Kilos> 12.04 expires next year i think
[07:18] <Langjan> its not well, I have to open it with a paper clip, waiting for a new one
[07:19] <Langjan> can I not install it via my machine?
[07:19] <Kilos> oh ok then
[07:20] <Kilos> if you install by you then move the drive all the hardware stuff will be different
[07:20] <Langjan> yes makes sense
[07:20] <Kilos> lets go with 12.04 for now
[07:20] <Langjan> ok
[07:20] <Kilos> ok so xubuntu is on the 160G drive
[07:21] <Langjan> yes
[07:21] <Kilos> in disks you tick on it then it will show
[07:21] <Langjan> yes got it
[07:21] <mazal> Mornings
[07:21] <Kilos> then you can delete anf format it
[07:22] <Kilos> does it give the option to format to mbr
[07:22] <Kilos> top format button i think
[07:22] <Langjan> slow or fast
[07:23] <Kilos> you should see 2 places that say format
[07:23] <Kilos> fast is ok
[07:23] <Langjan> overwrite and dont
[07:23] <Langjan> is slow not better?
[07:23] <Kilos> are you on ubuntu
[07:23] <Langjan> yes
[07:23] <Kilos> slow is deeper
[07:24] <Langjan> I know, is that not better? 
[07:24] <Kilos> your choice
[07:24] <Kilos> when you install 12.04 it will format again
[07:25] <Langjan> partitioning is 3 options
[07:25] <Kilos> you just want to remove the working OS
[07:25] <Kilos> what does it say
[07:25] <Langjan> no partion, compatible with all and compatble with modern
[07:25] <Kilos> compatible with all will do
[07:26] <Kilos> hopefully she has enough ram
[07:27] <Kilos> i had no luck installing with less than 640m
[07:27] <Langjan> Hope so
[07:27] <Kilos> and old ram is hard to find
[07:27] <Langjan> It has two modules let me check
[07:28] <Langjan> only 2x 256MB
[07:28] <Kilos> sjoe
[07:29] <Kilos> will take a long time to install if it succeeds
[07:29] <Langjan> OK they may have some more RASM, will see how it goes. Now Sharks, shat later...
[07:30] <Langjan> RAM
[07:30] <Kilos> ok
[07:30] <Kilos> enjoy
[07:30] <Langjan> thks
[07:30] <Langjan>  watching on computer dont have dstv 
[07:31] <Kilos> im watching on mnet sports
[07:31] <Langjan> lucky fish
[07:31] <Langjan> geniet!
[07:31] <mazal> Where you guys watching the rugby ?
[07:31] <mazal> links ?
[07:31] <Kilos> dankie jy ook
[07:31] <Langjan> http://cricfree.tv/watch/live/hsbc-sevens-series-singapore-live-streaming
[07:31] <mazal> dankie
[07:32] <Langjan> just use adblock and try difereent stream options to get full screen
[07:32] <Langjan> mazal, enjoy
[07:48] <Langjan> Kilos, I have tried all the options, same result: Error synchronizing after initial wipe: Timed out waiting for object (udisks-error-quark, 0) - hardegat hd hierdie!
[07:51] <Kilos> try gparted
[08:07] <Kilos> old drive, might not be 100%  healthy
[08:08] <Kilos> with disks one of the options for the format is format to mbr
[08:08] <Kilos> thats the one you want
[08:17] <Kilos> i think you first delete all the partitions then it shows the format to mbr
[08:22] <Langjan> Partition manager says I dont have administrator privileges...?!
[08:24] <Langjan> Cannot execute command ' '/usr/bin/partitionmanager-bin --dontsu''.
[08:24] <Langjan> Thats what I get if I try to open gparted
[08:27] <bushtech> are you opening gparted via terminal or gui?
[08:30] <Langjan> I just clicked to open
[08:30] <Kilos> ai!
[08:30] <Kilos> it should have asked for password
[08:30] <bushtech> should have popped up a window asking u to type in your password
[08:31] <Langjan> It did 
[08:31] <Kilos> you can type in sudo gparted
[08:31] <bushtech> if u typed in correct p/word should have opened
[08:32] <Langjan> Password is very simple, cannot think I could have made an error 
[08:33] <Langjan> sudo: gparted: command not found
[08:33] <Kilos> use disks again oom
[08:34] <Langjan> same error message
[08:34] <Kilos> oh my
[08:35] <Kilos> look for that format option thats says mbr
[08:35] <bushtech> remove and reinstall gparted?
[08:35] <Kilos> not sure if its the top or the bottom one
[08:36] <Langjan> I could not find that option, mbr
[08:36] <Langjan> will delete and reinstall gparted
[08:38] <Kilos> when you open in disks and click on that drive it should give all the info on the right
[08:39] <Kilos> partitioning here shows master boot record
[08:43] <Langjan> Now it shows "no media" which menas its been formatted/ 
[08:43] <Langjan> ?
[08:44] <Kilos> in disks or gparted
[08:46] <Kilos> i get lost
[08:46] <Langjan> in disks, gparted does not want to know me
[08:47] <Langjan> Hope Sharks dont also get lost
[08:47] <Kilos> you see that tiny gear
[08:47] <Langjan> yes
[08:47] <Kilos> tick it
[08:47] <Kilos> what format options you get?
[08:47] <Langjan> I have, it shows almost no options now 
[08:48] <Langjan> none
[08:48] <Langjan> as I said, it shows no media present
[08:48] <Kilos> at the top in the info section?
[08:49] <Kilos> does it see the drive
[08:50] <Langjan> If I click on the drive in disks it shows there is nothing there, then the gear menu gives no formatting options, so something has obviously happened 
[08:50] <Kilos> lets see if we can find the command to formay to mbr
[08:51] <bushtech> you have to click on a partition
[08:51] <Kilos> bushtech ideas
[08:51] <Kilos> oh
[08:52] <bushtech> and then on the gear
[08:52] <Langjan> Yes I did and gave you the outcome, which has changed from showing the contents to showing htere is nothing, so it seems it has been formattedo
[08:53] <Kilos> i think mbr corrupt
[08:53] <bushtech> ok create new partition
[09:01] <Langjan> Re-installed partition manager remembers me as with no admin privileges, where do I delete its folder?
[09:02] <Kilos> ai!
[09:02] <bushtech> Eish
[09:03] <Kilos> how can it forget
[09:03] <Kilos> ai!
[09:03] <Kilos> sudo touch /forcefsck
[09:03] <Kilos> and reboot
[09:31] <jan__> how do I change my nick again?d
[09:31] <Kilos> oh my
[09:31] <Kilos> oh here
[09:32] <Kilos>   /nick langjan
[09:32] <jan__>  /nick Langjan
[09:33] <Kilos> ya that
[09:33] <Kilos> no spaces to start
[09:33] <Kilos> hehe
[09:33] <Kilos> sharks played bad
[09:34] <Langjan> you showed space and lower case, only allowed one error per line...lmga
[09:34] <Kilos> hahaha
[09:34] <Langjan> Is it necessary to create partition before fresh install?
[09:34] <Kilos> yes
[09:35] <Kilos> otherwise there is nowhere to install to
[09:35] <Kilos> wb bushtech 
[09:35] <Langjan> ok so must reinstall gparted first, which one, partition editor or partition manager?
[09:36] <Kilos> disks
[09:36] <Kilos> it must work
[09:36] <Kilos> i liked the old disk utility in 12.04
[09:37] <Kilos> they keep changing things and make it harder for me
[09:38] <Kilos> unity sigh
[09:38] <Kilos> hehe
[09:41] <Langjan> Sorry had to reboot to see the drive
[09:41] <Kilos> np
[09:42] <Langjan> Now it shows an ext 4 linu bootable partition
[09:42] <Langjan> linux
[09:42] <Kilos> yay
[09:42] <Kilos> ok so now take it to other pc
[09:42] <Langjan> ok
[09:42] <Kilos> then bboot from 12.04 cd
[09:43] <Langjan> right
[09:43] <Kilos> 12.04 is supported till next year
[09:43] <Langjan> sad about Sharkies but sevens doing well
[09:43] <Kilos> very
[09:44] <Kilos> i really enjoy sevens
[09:47] <Langjan> just checking some memory sticks
[09:53] <Langjan> 2x 512 MB yay
[09:53] <Kilos> yay
[09:53] <Kilos> 1 gig will be fine
[09:53] <Kilos> but 2g would be faster
[09:54] <Kilos> i ran 640m for a long time
[09:59] <Langjan> still running backwards and forwards, but I have a command line...
[10:00] <Langjan> grub>_
[10:00] <Langjan> does that help?
[10:00] <Kilos> no thats an ugly one
[10:01] <Kilos> we need to get it to boot from cd
[10:01] <Kilos> put a windows cd in and see if that boots
[10:01] <Langjan> let me try again but have repeated a few times already
[10:01] <Langjan> ok
[10:02] <Kilos> if not look in bios, i had one pc you had to tell it in 2 places to boot from cd
[10:03] <bushtech> is that drive bootable?
[10:03] <Kilos> [11:42] <Langjan> Now it shows an ext 4 linu bootable partition
[10:04] <Kilos> im just gonna call telkom and complain about speed
[10:05] <bushtech> yeah, mtn just rolled over and died here, now back on voda
[10:06] <Kilos> ai!
[10:07] <pavlushka> Hi Kilos !
[10:07] <pavlushka> Hi every one!
[10:07] <bushtech> hi pavlushka
[10:07] <pavlushka> hello bushtech !
[10:08] <Kilos> calling
[10:08] <pavlushka> actually I'll be back, just peeking!
[10:08] <Langjan> Kilos, I tried to boot from Ubuntu 10.04 and from Win xp cd's, it keeps opening grub screen that gives ubuntu linux options 
[10:09] <Langjan> and not booting from cd
[10:10] <Langjan> Wonder if cd writer is not working?
[10:12] <Kilos> ai
[10:12] <Kilos> disconnect thre drive
[10:12] <Kilos> power or ide cable
[10:12] <Kilos> then try booting from cd
[10:13] <Langjan> ok
[10:14] <Kilos> if that bios has the options maybe we can get it to boot from a usb stick and install
[10:14] <Kilos> thats if cd faulty
[10:16] <Langjan> Im going to install my old sticky dvd writer 
[10:16] <Langjan> its showing lights and clicking but not picking up
[10:26] <Kilos> ok
[10:26] <Kilos> hope the cpu fast enough to use a dvd
[10:43] <Langjan> I tried the cd but no good, uh oh now my system has hiccups, going to switch off, see a bit later
[10:52] <Kilos> ok
[10:52] <Kilos> sjoe
[10:52] <Kilos> old pcs can give you gray hair
[10:53] <Langjan> hi Kilos  my system started hiccupping, I think I may have disturbed the hd power connection when I removed the dvd drive
[10:53] <Langjan> yes old women also
[10:53] <Kilos> lol
[10:54] <Langjan> well I dont understand, it did boot on kubuntu yesterday
[10:54] <Kilos> weird
[10:55] <Kilos> try pulling power out and removing the battery till tonight
[10:55] <Kilos> then set bios from scratch
[10:55] <Langjan> it was not operating correctly, the screen resolution was too big and the controls difficult to reach 
[10:55] <Langjan> remove bios battery?
[10:56] <Kilos> yes
[10:56] <Langjan> ok 
[10:56] <Kilos> then it goes back to default
[10:56] <Langjan> ok will let you know 
[10:56] <Kilos> ok
[11:47] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[11:47] <Kilos> you slipped in quietly
[11:47] <Kilos> and superfly 
[11:48] <superfly> it wasn't me!!
[11:48] <Kilos> lol
[11:48] <superfly> I'm innocent!
[11:49] <bushtech_> jury still out
[11:49] <Kilos> bushtech_ you busy?
[11:49] <bushtech_> somewhat but what's up
[11:50] <Kilos> i just wanted to see if i can get dcc working but its not serious
[11:50] <bushtech_> whats dcc?
[11:51] <Kilos> when 2 pcs connect directly i think
[11:51] <Kilos> supposed to be very secure
[11:51] <Kilos> its built in to most clients tody i think
[11:51] <bushtech_> never tried it, use a router for that sort of thing
[11:51] <Kilos> today
[11:52] <Kilos> let me see where i can find more info
[11:53] <bushtech_> or is this connecting over internet?
[11:53] <Kilos> i only find it in preferences
[11:54] <Kilos> over the net but direct pc to pc
[11:54] <bushtech_> teamviewer?
[11:54] <Kilos> lemme try
[11:54] <Kilos> no its here but privater than private
[11:55] <bushtech_> ithink teamviewer pretty secure
[11:55] <Kilos> no their server has the info
[11:56] <Kilos> dcc it irc direct
[11:56] <Kilos> gotta run it with commands i think
[11:57] <bushtech_> sounds loke you busy with offshore accounts
[11:57] <Kilos> lol no man but its safe to send email addies and stuff when peeps are very security conscious
[11:58] <Kilos> like otr in pidgin encrypts the 2 pcs to each other
[11:58] <Kilos> but through a otr server , dcc is supposed to be pc to pc
[11:59] <bushtech_> -*- bushtech not that paranoid
[11:59] <Kilos> ya nor me that bad but some are
[12:03] <Kilos> you can also dcc packages
[12:03] <Kilos> ive never got that working yet
[12:04] <Kilos> http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/rfc/dccspec.html
[12:04] <Kilos> i dont understand most of that
[12:06] <Kilos> maybe i go get some UVs while the sun still has some guts
[12:06] <Kilos> Maaz watch them
[12:06] <Maaz> oh Kilos I will watch them no problem, but you better be back soon!
[12:06] <Kilos> Maaz ty
[12:06] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[12:07] <bushtech_> Kilos: too complicated for me
[12:19] <Kilos> ons toppies sukkel met die nuwe goed
[12:24] <bushtech_> ja sug!
[13:13] <Kilos> hi pavlushka 
[13:14] <pavlushka> Hello Kilos !
[14:20] <Kilos> hi skokkk Cryterion Private_User 
[14:20] <skokkk> Kilos, is that a script?
[14:20] <Kilos> what?
[14:20] <skokkk> the welcome messages?
[14:20] <Kilos> lol no man its me
[14:21] <skokkk> so friendly :o
[14:21] <Kilos> otherwise it would answer instantly
[14:21] <skokkk> it sort of does lol
[14:21] <Kilos> i am supposed to be the greeter bot here
[14:22] <skokkk> well you're doing a good job :)
[14:22] <Kilos> other wise superfly and inetpro fight with me
[14:22] <Kilos> and suspend my privileges
[14:22] <superfly> Kilos: it took you 6 minutes to greet!  That is unacceptable! :-P
[14:23] <Kilos> like no free cyber coffee
[14:23] <Kilos> see skokkk 
[14:23] <Cryterion> took hime over an hour to greet me
[14:23] <Cryterion> him*
[14:23] <Cryterion> Hi everyone
[14:23] <Kilos> sorry superfly i been busy finding a swahili trnslator
[14:23] <Cryterion> google
[14:23] <Kilos> gogle what
[14:24] <Kilos> google too
[14:24] <Cryterion> google translate
[14:24] <Kilos> nono man
[14:24] <Kilos> a real one
[14:24] <skokkk> lol good luck?
[14:24] <superfly> Maaz: no coffee for Kilos!
[14:24] <Maaz> superfly: Huh?
[14:24] <Cryterion> hmm, can't help sorry
[14:24] <Kilos> i have one
[14:25] <superfly> Kilos: You'd better say thanks to Maaz, he ignored my request to take your coffee privileges away :-P
[14:25] <Kilos> Maaz ty
[14:25] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[14:25] <Kilos> Maaz botsnack
[14:25] <Maaz> YAY someone cares about me too!
[14:25] <Kilos> Maaz coffee please
[14:25] <Maaz> Kilos: There isn't a pot on
[14:26] <Cryterion> lol
[14:26] <Kilos> Maaz coffee on
[14:26]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[14:26] <Cryterion> he's only cleaning them now?
[14:26] <Kilos> yeah
[14:27] <Kilos> a translator is wanted for this game
[14:27] <Kilos> http://raisingphoenicia.com
[14:27] <Kilos> and can be translated to other languages if anyone is interested
[14:30] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[14:30] <Kilos> Maaz danke
[14:30] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[14:30] <Kilos> Private_User you just become a lurker now
[14:31] <Kilos> or you just ashamed for being on windows
[14:32] <Kilos> we allow windows users if they put a please before and after every post
[14:32]  * Cryterion agrees
[14:32] <Kilos> lol
[14:33]  * mazal mompel iets
[14:33] <Kilos> haha uitgevang ne
[14:33] <mazal> Oom forgot the sir part
[14:33] <Kilos> should be please mopmpel iets please
[14:33] <mazal> Every sentence starts and ends with sir
[14:33] <Kilos> thats army
[14:34] <mazal> Hoe gaanit oom ?
[14:34] <Kilos> we are layed back cool kids
[14:34] <mazal> Hi Cryterion 
[14:34] <Kilos> goed dankie en self deun
[14:34] <Kilos> seun
[14:34] <mazal> Goed goed , het heerlike dag gehad
[14:34] <Kilos> mooi wat het jy aangevang
[14:35] <mazal> Opgestaan met koek en koffie , toe gebraai en toe is ek gevat vir roomys
[14:35] <Kilos> sjoe nou is ek jaloers
[14:35] <mazal> Good times with good friends soos hulle seg
[14:35] <Kilos> yip
[14:35] <mazal> Behalwe vir oom wat my nie wou groet vanmore nie :(
[14:36] <Kilos> skuus man ek was kwaai besig
[14:36] <mazal> hehehehe
[14:36] <Kilos> ek dink
[14:36] <mazal> Met hdd saam LangJan
[14:36] <Kilos> party keer is ek net blind
[14:36] <Kilos> o ja
[14:37] <Kilos> shame hy sukkel met n tannie se pc
[14:37] <Cryterion> heya mazal
[14:38] <Kilos> maar hy bring nog toppies na ubuntu
[14:38] <mazal> The more the merrier
[14:38] <mazal> Shees did I spell that right ?
[14:38] <Kilos> ja
[14:39] <Cryterion> think so
[14:39] <Kilos> looks funny though hey
[14:39] <Kilos> Maaz spell merrier
[14:39] <Maaz> Kilos: Yes, you *can* spell
[14:39] <mazal> My spellchecker crazy , almost 80% of my stuff is underlined. Dunno why
[14:39] <mazal> Even stuff I know is spelled right
[14:39] <Kilos> i turned mine off
[14:39] <Cryterion> http://www.dictionary.com/browse/merrier
[15:38] <Langjan> Hi allie jongmanne
[15:38] <Langjan> en Kilos 
[15:39] <Kilos> hi Langjan 
[15:39] <Kilos> hoe lyk dit nou
[15:39] <Langjan> Goed dankie en by jou?
[15:40] <Kilos> ook goed dankie
[15:40] <Kilos> hey jy die ding weer aan die gang?
[15:40] <Langjan> Mooi so. Die bios op die ou masjiene is seker soos ou ooms - vergeet gou?
[15:40] <Kilos> lol
[15:40] <Langjan> Of hoe lank moet ek hom ontkoppel?
[15:40] <Kilos> baie is net 5 of 10 minute
[15:41] <Langjan> so jy dink dis tyd om weer te probeer
[15:41] <Kilos> ek het n paar gehad wat ek moes heel nag los
[15:41] <Kilos> ja
[15:41] <Langjan> ok kom ons kyk weer more
[15:41] <Langjan> dalk het hierdie een nie alzies nie
[15:41] <Kilos> kry net die ding om te boot van cd
[15:42] <Kilos> neema n nou
[15:42] <Langjan> jys 'n regte slawedrywer
[15:42] <Kilos> lol
[15:42] <Kilos> het dit vergeet of nie
[15:42] <Langjan> master and slave
[15:43] <Langjan> ek weet nie, moet eers al die drade inprop, hoop ek onthou waar...
[15:43] <Kilos> lol
[15:44] <Kilos> jy kan even probeer boot van 12.04 sonder dat die hardeskyf gekoppel is
[15:44] <Kilos> ons moet net sien of die cd werk of nie
[15:44] <Kilos> of jy kan soek vir usb boot goed
[15:44] <Langjan> ja op instruksie van die slawedrywer
[15:45] <Kilos> nee man
[15:45] <Langjan> lyk nie of daai usb werk nie
[15:45] <Kilos> jy my vriend nie my slaaf nie
[15:45] <Kilos> watter usb
[15:45] <Kilos> het jy bios gestel om van usb te boot
[15:45] <Langjan> op die ou masjien, maar daar is nog agter
[15:46] <Langjan> daar is nie, was nie so 'n opsie nie
[15:46] <Kilos> ja gebruik agter
[15:46] <Kilos> ai!
[15:46] <Langjan> nou wil windows eers update, eish!
[15:46] <Kilos> dan moet ons n cd ding kry wat reg werk
[15:47] <Kilos> sit altyd alle windows updates af
[15:47] <Langjan> nou reen dit op Warmbad -  lekker!
[15:47] <Kilos> waar kom windows nou vandaan
[15:47] <Langjan> Ja ek dink ek moet dit doen
[15:47] <Kilos> sjoe
[15:48] <Langjan> Juanita se rekenaar dual boot, ek hardloop my Genealogieprogram op hom en op my VBox wat nog nie weer werk nie
[15:48] <Kilos> sjoe
[15:48] <Kilos> op watter masjien werk ons nou
[15:48] <Langjan> Op myne
[15:48] <Langjan> my desktop
[15:49] <Langjan> ssd
[15:49] <Kilos> ok
[15:49] <Kilos> en die tanie sn?
[15:49] <Kilos> tannie
[15:49] <Langjan> ek gebruik haar skerm en Internet kabel vir die ou meneer
[15:50] <Langjan> hiers nie plek vir nog 'n skerm nie
[15:50] <Kilos> as haar masjien nie die cd ding wil doen nie instaleer 12.04 op jou pc
[15:50] <Langjan> Sy sal jou moer as jy haar tannie noem...
[15:51] <Kilos> die ene met die ossewa?
[15:51] <Langjan> nee man, Juanita
[15:51] <Kilos> is sy nie n tannie nie?
[15:51] <Langjan> ek dog jy meen haar
[15:51] <Kilos> wil jy my epos adres leen
[15:51] <Langjan> hoekom?
[15:52] <Kilos> wel
[15:52] <Kilos> die domdonner deel kan pas as jy so deurmekaar dink
[15:52] <Langjan> Dis jy wat my deurmekruis maak, slawedrywer
[15:52] <Kilos> inetpro leen dit nou en dan ook
[15:53] <Kilos> ekke?
[15:53] <Kilos> ek is onskuldig
[15:56] <Langjan> Ja ja, moet ek eers sonder die hardeskyf probeer?
[15:56] <Kilos> ja probeer
[15:56] <Kilos> as dit werk dan weet ons die cdrom werk darem
[15:57] <Kilos> process of elimination
[16:03] <Langjan> ok would not show bios before I connected the hard drive
[16:03] <Kilos> try again and hit del early
[16:03] <Langjan> looking at boot options, have set cd rom no 1 but what are LS120 and SCS1?
[16:03] <Kilos> oh
[16:04] <Langjan> there aslo floppy
[16:04] <Kilos> what does the harddrive show as
[16:04] <Langjan> and hdd 0,1 2 and 3
[16:05] <Kilos> 0
[16:05] <Kilos> hdd second boot
[16:05] <Langjan> no details shown, means it is not picking up?
[16:05] <Langjan> hdd 0?
[16:05] <Kilos> ja
[16:06] <Kilos> 0 is the first one
[16:06] <Langjan> and third boot?
[16:06] <Kilos> somewhere in bios you can search drives
[16:06] <Langjan> lets have a look
[16:06] <Kilos> third you can make cdrom too
[16:07] <Kilos> where it shows hdd click it and should show something
[16:07] <Kilos> otherwise mbr isnt there
[16:08] <Kilos> if it can just boot from cd we are smiling
[16:08] <Langjan> it still picks up Linux ubuntu
[16:08] <Kilos> then we zero the hdd and it will act like a new one then bios will write new mbr
[16:09] <Kilos> oh you see it
[16:10] <Langjan> It gives ide primary master=none, primary slave is hdd
[16:11] <Kilos> you using second connector on cable?
[16:11] <Langjan> yes
[16:11] <Kilos> first one is the master position
[16:11] <Kilos> oh
[16:11] <Kilos> i mean
[16:11] <Langjan> lees jy nie seun? 
[16:11] <Kilos> one goes into motherboard
[16:12] <Kilos> 2 must be in drive
[16:12] <Kilos> 3 goes to cd
[16:12] <Langjan> now I'm lost
[16:12] <Kilos> if you see drive as slave then you need to move the strap  at the back
[16:12] <Kilos> look at the cable
[16:12] <Kilos> has it got 3 plugs
[16:13] <Kilos> one goes into motherboard
[16:13] <Langjan> I know about the jumper, they messed with it when we tried to boot where they built the thing 
[16:13] <Kilos> how many ide cables are there
[16:13] <Kilos> jumper must be fr master
[16:14] <Kilos> one the drive should be a sticker or painted on which position does what
[16:17] <Langjan> broad cable goes to cd, one to hdd and one to MB
[16:18] <Kilos> not all one cable?
[16:18] <Langjan> small 4-point connectors to same
[16:18] <Langjan> looks like one cable
[16:18] <Kilos> ok
[16:18] <Kilos> so the end of that cable must go to cd
[16:19] <Langjan> yes
[16:19] <Langjan> one end to cd, one to MB, middle one to hdd
[16:19] <Kilos> then it must be jumper on drive making hdd the slave
[16:19] <Kilos> yes thats right
[16:20] <Langjan> so I must put jumper in fr slot?
[16:20] <Kilos> maybe whoever did it made the cd the master
[16:20] <Kilos> fr?
[16:20] <Langjan> thats what you said
[16:20] <Kilos> oh my
[16:20] <Langjan> fr master
[16:21] <Langjan> let me take it out so I can see the markings
[16:21] <Kilos> that was supposed to be for master
[16:21] <Kilos> not fr
[16:21] <Kilos> youll most likely need to check the cd as well. that  must be slave
[16:22] <Kilos> could work other way around too i spose
[16:23] <Kilos> but i got into the habit of making my drive the master
[16:23] <Kilos> now you must suffer for my habits
[16:24] <Langjan> hdd jumper positions - dont see marks
[16:24] <Kilos> ai!
[16:25] <Kilos> how many positions where the jumper goes in
[16:25] <Langjan> four
[16:25] <Kilos> one on left is master i think
[16:25] <Langjan> its in the one closest to the 4-pin plug
[16:25] <Kilos> let me look for a drive
[16:25] <Langjan> left looking from top or bottom?
[16:26] <Kilos> looking at the connectors with top of drive to the top of course
[16:27] <Langjan> cd is on SL
[16:27] <Langjan> hdd jumper is on far right
[16:28] <Langjan> whaddaya mean "of course" - nothing is for granted with you geeks
[16:28] <Kilos> nothing anywhere in the writing on top thats shows the jumper use
[16:29] <Langjan> let me get magnifier
[16:31] <Langjan> master on slave of is opposite end to where it is now
[16:32] <Kilos> huh
[16:32] <Langjan> other position is "cable select"
[16:32] <Langjan> is the second position from left
[16:32] <Kilos> use the master pins
[16:33] <Langjan> so maste on is left side, cable select is second from left and jumper is on the right
[16:33] <Kilos> ok
[16:33] <Kilos> you found the diagram
[16:34] <Kilos> didnt i say master on the left
[16:34] <Kilos> only drives i have here are in desktop
[16:34] <Kilos> forgot i gave the rest to ian
[16:34] <Langjan> and the cd?
[16:35] <Kilos> but if you see what must go where thats good
[16:35] <Kilos> ok they most liely have cd as master
[16:35] <Langjan> CS, SL or MA
[16:35] <Kilos> make cd slave
[16:35] <Kilos> sl
[16:35] <Langjan> ok thats where it is
[16:36] <Kilos> sjoe
[16:36] <Kilos> so both were slave
[16:36] <Kilos> no wonder it didnt work
[16:36] <Langjan> ok try again?
[16:37] <Kilos> maybe now it will boot from cd
[16:37] <Kilos> i had one pc i actually had to use a second cable for the cd
[16:37] <Kilos> yip go for it
[16:37] <Kilos> i just dunno why it goes to grub if you formatted it
[16:43] <Langjan> beautiful ubuntu cd running
[16:43] <Kilos> w0000t
[16:44] <Langjan> Now A for Away!
[16:44] <Langjan> You genius slave-driver you...
[16:44] <Langjan> it's singing a song of joy
[16:44] <Kilos> see im not just a pretty face
[16:44] <Kilos> haha
[16:44] <Langjan> nooooo
[16:44] <Langjan> pretty inside and out
[16:45] <Kilos> nono im ugly now
[16:45] <Kilos> even debs says almost handsome
[16:45] <Kilos> haha
[16:45] <Kilos> so cheeky
[16:45] <Langjan> b..s..t
[16:45] <Langjan> with another l
[16:45] <Kilos> im lost
[16:46] <Kilos> where you learn that slang
[16:46] <Langjan> bulls..t
[16:46] <Kilos> oh
[16:46] <Kilos> haha
[16:46] <Langjan> your nbot ugly
[16:46] <Langjan> not 
[16:46] <Kilos> i am actually
[16:46] <Kilos> have a boozers nose from years of meds
[16:47] <Kilos> but i have a cute smile
[16:47] <Langjan> only in your mind's eye, not in mine or in your Maker's
[16:48] <Kilos> ty
[16:48] <Kilos> keep us informed of progress
[16:49] <Kilos> im happy something is worki ng at last
[16:49] <Langjan> once I have 12.04 lts, can I not upgrade to 14.04 via the Internet?
[16:49] <Langjan> will do thks
[16:49] <Kilos> better to use 14.04 from starters then
[16:49] <Kilos> 12.04 was much lighter though
[16:50] <Langjan> well it cannot take dvd
[16:50] <Langjan> let go with 12.04, she only uses it for very basic stuff
[16:50] <Kilos> that could also be because of that jumper
[16:50] <Kilos> then 12.04 should be fine
[17:31] <Kilos> wen  jy Langjan 
[17:36] <Kilos> jy moet wen voor dit my slaap tyd is toppie
[17:39] <Langjan> Kilos, ubi partman chashed with exit code 10. Have Googled prob and am continuing
[17:39] <Kilos> try it from cd
[17:40] <Kilos> like'
[17:40] <Langjan> try what?
[17:40] <Kilos> boot from cd then try not install
[17:40] <Kilos> then mount the drive and install mbr
[17:41] <Kilos> im sure the mbr is unhappy thats why you battling with partitions
[17:41] <Langjan> ok thks, just doing disk check, will do then. you not watching lions and capies?
[17:42] <Kilos> just eaten
[17:43] <Kilos> other way is to zero the drive and reboot and hope the motherboard writes new mbr
[17:44] <Kilos> try whatever you are trying and tomorrow if nothing worked we can zero it
[17:48] <Langjan> ok will do thks
[17:48] <pavlushka> I am back Kilos ! and every one!
[17:48] <Kilos> good luck though oom
[17:48] <Kilos> hi pavlushka 
[17:48] <pavlushka> Heya Kilos !
[17:49] <Kilos> from the live cd install mbr then do=the install
[17:49] <pavlushka> anyone free?
[17:52] <pavlushka> can anyone help me with porting cwm rom on android??????
[17:58] <Langjan> Kilos,  how do I go about mbr?
[17:58] <Kilos> you on live cd?
[17:58] <Langjan> yes
[17:59] <Kilos> then you have to mount drive
[17:59] <Kilos> then when mounted install mbr
[17:59] <Langjan> mount drive?
[17:59] <Kilos> maybe someone can help with the mounting
[18:00] <Kilos> was a command like sudo mount /dev/sda1 --mnt or something
[18:00] <Kilos> then from same terminal apt-get install mbr --reinstall maybe
[18:01] <Kilos> kulelu88 wb
[18:01] <kulelu88> yo Kilos 
[18:01] <Kilos> help oom jan mount and install from live cd please
[18:01] <kulelu88> does anybody use broadband/3G for their internet access?
[18:01] <Kilos> ive forgotten the commands
[18:01] <Kilos> i use 3g ya
[18:02] <kulelu88> mount and install? 
[18:02] <Kilos> he has a drive thats battling to install to
[18:02] <Kilos> i think mbr sick
[18:02] <kulelu88> Oom Jan please share some more info
[18:02] <Kilos> so i suggested he mount it and install or reinstall mbr
[18:03] <Langjan> hi kulelu88 
[18:03] <Kilos> why you want to know about 3g
[18:03] <kulelu88> hoegaanit my oom
[18:03] <Langjan> goed dankie en met jou?
[18:04] <Kilos> ubi partman chashed with exit code 10. 
[18:06] <kulelu88> Lekker oom
[18:06] <kulelu88> I cannot connect to a proxy through broadband
[18:06] <Langjan> Mooi so
[18:06] <kulelu88> Trying to see if anybody else has these issues
[18:07] <Kilos> i use the no proxy option all over
[18:07] <kulelu88> Let's see if we can debug oom Jans issues. What error are you getting oom?
[18:07] <kulelu88> I can connect to the proxy, but then internet doesn't work
[18:07] <magespawn> good evening
[18:07] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[18:07] <Langjan> On install getting ubi partman crash with exit code 10
[18:08] <Langjan> now running on live cd try ubuntu
[18:08] <kulelu88> that's a verbose error. Let me search for that
[18:16] <Langjan> Running on live cd I'm getting warning here is only a few MB disk space left...?
[18:17] <Kilos> open gparted and see
[18:17] <Langjan> It says 1,4 Gb total, but the hdd is 160 GB
[18:17] <Kilos> delete all partitions
[18:18] <Kilos> if gparted doesnt  work try disks and delete all partitions then create one full size partition
[18:19] <pavlushka> Kilos: does Langjan uses windows side by side?
[18:19] <Kilos> nope
[18:20] <pavlushka> and his partitions are of what type?
[18:20] <kulelu88> looks like possibly an old partition 
[18:20] <Kilos> he has been battling to try install 12.04
[18:20] <pavlushka> Kilos: his data?
[18:21] <Kilos> Langjan are you brave
[18:21] <Kilos> no data
[18:21] <Kilos> new install
[18:21] <Kilos> no data to lose
[18:21] <Langjan> /dev/sda1 ext 4 148Gb
[18:21] <Langjan> /dev/sda2 extended 1022mib
[18:22] <pavlushka> good, but you should make some other ext4 partitions in case of system crash.
[18:22] <Langjan> /dev/sda5 linux swap 1022mib
[18:22] <pavlushka> Ha HA ha
[18:22] <Langjan> those are what gparted shows
[18:23] <Langjan> wat is snaaks/
[18:23] <Kilos> delete them all
[18:23] <Langjan> pavlushka, 
[18:23] <pavlushka> Langjan: delete partition table and create new partitions, a bit more organized way.
[18:23] <pavlushka> Langjan: go with Kilos !
[18:23] <Kilos> Langjan qhe doesnt understand afrikaans
[18:23] <Kilos> he is in bangladesh
[18:24] <Langjan> ok big one is deleted, others do not react
[18:25] <Langjan> now shows 148 GBunallocated
[18:25] <Kilos> ok close gparted
[18:25] <Kilos> then run disk utility
[18:25] <Langjan> operation pending
[18:25] <Kilos> ai!
[18:26] <pavlushka> Langjan: your primary partition is 148 GB, and extended is 1022 mib
[18:26] <Kilos> its corrupt
[18:26] <Langjan> whats it doing?
[18:26] <Kilos> cant you close gparted
[18:27] <pavlushka> Kilos: what size you recommend him for his primary partition?
[18:27] <Langjan> I can but it says operation pending...
[18:27] <Kilos> i use 40g /root
[18:27] <Kilos> 4g swap
[18:27] <Kilos> ten large /home
[18:27] <Langjan> ok I had to apply...dommie
[18:27] <pavlushka> Kilos: I would go with you.
[18:28] <Kilos> then some at the end for storage and backup
[18:28] <Kilos> ok Langjan open disks
[18:28] <Kilos> hopefully that version shows the formay to mbr option
[18:29] <Langjan> nothing shown under disks
[18:29] <Kilos> disk utility
[18:30] <Langjan> ok what to do?
[18:30] <Kilos> is it open
[18:30] <Langjan> yes
[18:30] <Kilos> and shows the drive
[18:30] <Kilos> ok
[18:30] <Langjan> yes
[18:31] <Kilos> look at the format options
[18:31] <Kilos> one should show format to mbr
[18:31] <Kilos> maybe you need to delete all partitions it still sees
[18:31] <pavlushka> Kilos: I think so.
[18:31] <Langjan> ok shows mbr
[18:32] <kulelu88> don't make too many partitions
[18:32] <kulelu88> Just do 1 main and 1 swap, unless you don't own an HDD
[18:32] <kulelu88> *external HDD
[18:32] <Kilos> des it show format to mbr
[18:32] <kulelu88> then maybe add a backup partition
[18:32] <Langjan> format to mbr?
[18:32] <kulelu88> the previous problem was that it was trying to install ubuntu on the swap memory
[18:32] <Kilos> this is for an ol ladt kulelu88 
[18:33] <Langjan> right, she only uses the computer to type a few letters
[18:33] <Kilos> yes one of the format options shows mbt with a little arrow that shows more options
[18:33] <Kilos> choose the mbr
[18:33] <Langjan> right
[18:34] <Kilos> then format
[18:34] <pavlushka> ping inetpro ! How are you?
[18:34] <Kilos> Maaz seen inetpro 
[18:34] <Maaz> Kilos: inetpro was last seen 14 hours, 12 minutes and 48 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2016-04-15 21:21:42 PDT], and has been online on freenode since 2016-04-14 06:48:40 PDT
[18:34] <Langjan> operation failed
[18:34] <Kilos> he maybe away for the weekend
[18:34] <Kilos> uh oh
[18:35] <Langjan> error creating partition table
[18:35] <pavlushka> Kilos: cp
[18:35] <Kilos> ok les zero the thing
[18:35] <Kilos> let me find the command
[18:36] <pavlushka> Kilos: have you tried low level format tool?
[18:36] <Kilos> long ago
[18:36] <pavlushka> Its the last mile.
[18:36] <pavlushka> but can give you back your HDD.
[18:37] <Kilos> so can zeroing it
[18:37] <Kilos> makes the drive like a new one never installed before
[18:37] <Kilos> and with a good mbr
[18:38] <Kilos> im just trying to find the command Langjan 
[18:38] <Langjan> thks sound right
[18:41] <kulelu88> try formatting the HDD from the bootloader
[18:41] <kulelu88> I mean BIOS sorry
[18:41] <kulelu88> low-level stuff is only fun with micro-electronics
[18:43] <Kilos> Langjan have coffee so long i need to check on desktop drives for where i saved it
[18:44] <Kilos> sigh
[18:45] <Langjan> thks Kilos some excellent rugby going on
[18:45] <kulelu88> are the bulls playing?
[18:45] <Kilos> bulls beat reds
[18:46] <kulelu88> rugby looks so weird when you watch it live
[18:46] <Langjan> lions and stormers, 23 / 22 to lions
[18:47] <Langjan> 14 mins remain
[18:47] <Kilos> ok Langjan you ready
[18:48] <Langjan> yes
[18:48] <Kilos> in terminal
[18:48] <Langjan> thks
[18:48] <Kilos> sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=1
[18:48] <Kilos> swairt
[18:48] <Kilos> wait
[18:48] <Kilos> sda
[18:49] <pavlushka> Langjan: Kilos meant "of=/dev/sda"
[18:49] <Kilos> sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1
[18:49] <Kilos> then reboot and install
[18:49] <Langjan> close disk utility?
[18:49] <Kilos> and choose use whole disk
[18:49] <Kilos> clse everything first
[18:50] <pavlushka> Langjan: yes
[18:50] <Kilos> the command will make it like there has never been anything on the drive
[18:52] <Kilos> then hopefully motherboard will write a good mbr
[18:53] <Kilos> you will need to go chat from your pc
[18:53] <Langjan> I am on my pc
[18:54] <Kilos> once 12.04 is installed we will use gparted to resize some space for a backup area
[18:54] <Kilos> oh
[18:54] <Kilos> i thought you were chatting from the live cd
[18:54] <Kilos> you can do that as well
[18:55] <Kilos> ubutntu rocks
[18:55] <Kilos> ubuntu
[18:55] <Kilos> whew starting to struggle here
[18:56] <Langjan> nothing much hapened Kilos , it just ejected cd then restrted and asked for media
[18:56] <Kilos> put cd in and install
[18:56] <Langjan> after that command I thought it will take time
[18:57] <Kilos> choose use whole drive hey
[18:57] <Langjan> Yes will do
[18:57] <Kilos> no its instant
[18:57] <Langjan> oh ok
[18:57] <Langjan> wow
[18:57] <Kilos> very powerful dangerous command
[18:57] <Kilos> wiped my 1TB drive instantly
[18:57] <Langjan> and I was sitting right here, why not warn me? 
[18:57] <Kilos> by accident
[18:57] <Kilos> lol
[18:58] <Kilos> as long as motherboard and bios are good that is now a good drive
[18:59] <Kilos> with nothing on it
[18:59] <Langjan> ok installing on 160Gb
[18:59] <Kilos> yay
[18:59] <Kilos> there new mbr
[19:00] <Langjan> lions 29 stormers 22
[19:00] <Kilos> that matches that pc
[19:06] <Kilos> wow lions win
[19:06] <Kilos> kulelu88 dont you watch rugby normally
[19:07] <Langjan> yes well played
[19:07] <Langjan> failed again
[19:07] <Kilos> oh my
[19:07] <Kilos> same thing?
[19:07] <Langjan> looks like yes
[19:09] <Kilos> something not happy with that drive
[19:09] <Kilos> lets run badblocks and see
[19:09] <Langjan> ok
[19:09] <Kilos> sudo badblocks -v /dev/sda1 > bad-blocks-result
[19:10] <Kilos> will take a while
[19:11] <Langjan> takes forever to open terminal
[19:11] <Kilos> ai!
[19:12] <Langjan> not showing...
[19:12] <Langjan> aha
[19:12] <Kilos> has it finished running?
[19:12] <Kilos> it gives a report after everything
[19:12] <Kilos> runs long time
[19:14] <Kilos> have you got another drive you can try Langjan 
[19:15] <Langjan> unfortunately not, its not showing anything - should it?
[19:15] <Kilos> yes when it goes back to prompt 
[19:15] <Kilos> it says no bad blocks or som many bad blocks
[19:16] <Langjan> A small terminal opened at the top and prompted "type your command" then disappeared 
[19:16] <Langjan> now nothing shows
[19:17] <Kilos> your terminal gone too?
[19:17] <Langjan> nothing running, just desktop
[19:17] <Langjan> yes terminal gone
[19:17] <Kilos> oh my
[19:17] <Kilos> what have you broken now
[19:17] <Kilos> hehe
[19:18] <Kilos> can you open another terminal
[19:18] <Langjan> ctrl/alt/T shows nothing
[19:19] <Kilos> oh my
[19:19] <Kilos> here is the story for bad blocks whe  you have a drive getting old
[19:19] <Kilos> https://bin.snyman.info/mmmzjsut
[19:19] <Kilos> similar to what chkdsk does on win
[19:20] <Kilos> just better
[19:20] <Kilos> Langjan we try once more
[19:20] <Kilos> run the zero cammand again
[19:21] <Kilos> then reboot and install
[19:21] <Langjan> zero command?
[19:21] <Kilos> if it still doent work we look for another drive
[19:21] <Kilos> wait i get it for you
[19:22] <Langjan> is there another way to open terminal?
[19:22] <Kilos> sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1
[19:22] <Kilos> in dash yes
[19:22] <Kilos> type terminal i dash
[19:23] <Langjan> ok here we go
[19:23] <Kilos> i can give you an 80g drive for her
[19:24] <Kilos> what a pity that drive is unhappy
[19:24] <kulelu88> it's weird that lions have so many good players but that old boks guy took his oupas to the rugby world cup
[19:25] <Kilos> lol
[19:25] <Langjan> agreed, weirdos
[19:25] <Langjan> money...
[19:25] <Kilos> this whole supers and curry cup story is a mess up
[19:25] <Langjan> ok so reboot and install?
[19:26] <Kilos> you cant have the best players plaing in to series
[19:26] <Kilos> yessit Langjan 
[19:26] <pavlushka> Langjan: yes please, lol
[19:26] <Kilos> yessir and lets hope it goes further
[19:26] <Kilos> wow sorry for all the typos
[19:27]  * pavlushka finger's crossed
[19:27] <kulelu88> they say rugby and cricket is an old boys club, where the previous players kids and friends kids get chosen first
[19:27] <Langjan> no stop or reboot option in menu, only suspend...weird
[19:27] <pavlushka> type in terminal
[19:27] <Kilos> sudo reboot
[19:27] <Langjan> thks
[19:28] <pavlushka> Hi magespawn !
[19:28] <Kilos> when did magespawn slip in/
[19:29] <pavlushka> lol
[19:29] <Langjan> thanks for fingers crossed pavlushka 
[19:31] <Kilos> i even have my legs crossed here
[19:31] <Kilos> sad when a drive gives up
[19:31] <kulelu88> probably cause its cold Kilos 
[19:31] <Kilos> lol
[19:31] <Langjan> legs crossed? go quick Kilos 
[19:32] <Kilos> yeah to keep my feet warm
[19:32] <pavlushka> Kilos: lol @ that
[19:32] <Langjan> lmga vir die ou manne
[19:32] <Kilos> haha
[19:32] <Langjan> oom Kilos 
[19:32] <Kilos> poor bushtech even gave up with his connection
[19:33] <Langjan> feet will get warm but then cold...
[19:33] <Kilos> nono when warm ill go to bed
[19:34] <Kilos> well get under the duvet
[19:34] <Kilos> im on the bed already
[19:34] <Kilos> is it installing langjan
[19:34] <pavlushka> Kilos: keeping legs crossed while sitting for a long time is risky.
[19:35] <Langjan> so far so good
[19:35] <Kilos> if it doesnt work we partition so that first 20g isnt used
[19:35] <Kilos> then cross fingers again
[19:35] <pavlushka> but when its cold here, even I forget that.
[19:35] <Kilos> lol
[19:35] <Langjan> yes, unrecoverable error
[19:36] <Kilos> eish
[19:36] <Langjan> we can skip first 80 GB
[19:36] <Langjan> she will not use much
[19:36] <Kilos> ok open gparted
[19:36] <Kilos> and make partitions
[19:36] <Kilos> first 40 dont use
[19:37] <pavlushka> but what about MBR?
[19:37] <Kilos> mbr is before that'
[19:37] <Kilos> mbr is in os pc wouldnt see the drib=ve
[19:37] <Kilos> drive
[19:38] <Kilos> sos/or
[19:38] <Kilos> ai!
[19:38] <Kilos> s/os/or
[19:39] <Langjan> It says there are 2 active partitions, cannot create new partition
[19:39] <Kilos> delete them
[19:40] <Kilos> so you have empty drive
[19:41] <Langjan> does not give delete option, 
[19:41] <Kilos> then create one of 40g but dont add a mount point
[19:41] <Langjan> delete shows but inactive
[19:41] <Kilos> try
[19:41] <Kilos> sudo umount /dev/sda1
[19:41] <Kilos> or sda
[19:42] <Kilos> then see if you can delete them
[19:42] <Langjan> umount?
[19:42] <Kilos> yes
[19:42] <Langjan> not unmount?
[19:42] <Kilos> thats the linux unmount command
[19:42] <Kilos> umount
[19:42] <Langjan> ok sorry
[19:43] <Kilos> np
[19:43] <Kilos> hehe
[19:44] <kulelu88> you not making children anymore oom Kilos , so not so risky :D
[19:44] <Kilos> hahahaha
[19:44] <Kilos> warm feet better ya
[19:45] <kulelu88> you at home everyday Kilos ?
[19:45] <Kilos> yes
[19:45] <Langjan> ok only the big one deleted
[19:45] <Kilos> ok Langjan 
[19:45] <kulelu88> you don't get bored? 
[19:46] <Kilos> does it show whole drive as unpartitioned
[19:46] <Kilos> no i look after sheep and wash dishes
[19:46] <Kilos> and sometimes cook
[19:46] <Kilos> and do fencing
[19:46] <Langjan> no, 148 gb unallocated and the two small partitions still there
[19:46] <Kilos> and irc
[19:46] <Kilos> wow
[19:46] <Langjan> extended and swap
[19:46] <Kilos> i wonder what is in them
[19:46] <Kilos> oh
[19:47] <Kilos> ok create 40g
[19:48] <Kilos> no formatting or mount point
[19:48] <Kilos> and apply after each step
[19:48] <Langjan> create partition table?
[19:49] <Kilos> tick top where it say partition
[19:49] <Kilos> the add i think
[19:49] <Kilos> tell me when done
[19:49] <Langjan> nothing active there except "information"
[19:50] <Kilos> holy moly
[19:50] <Kilos> close gparted\
[19:50] <Langjan> oh sorry, and new
[19:50] <Kilos> ya new
[19:51] <Kilos> whew i forgot new
[19:51] <Kilos> new 40g with no mount point and format not ticked
[19:52] <Langjan> ok how I do that? Free space before?
[19:52] <Kilos> just change the size
[19:53] <Kilos> forget the free space stuff and leave as is
[19:53] <kulelu88> the partitions are being created by themselves, especially if the system is low on RAM, so swap will get made automatically
[19:53] <kulelu88> IIRC
[19:53] <Langjan> ok I see, so I have moved the left border to leave 40GB?
[19:53] <kulelu88> Langjan: ubuntu 12.04 LTS is no longer supported. You should use 14.04
[19:53] <Kilos> yes on a clean install without manual partitioning it makes its own swap
[19:54] <Kilos> tick freespace
[19:54] <Kilos> the new again
[19:54] <Kilos> 12.04 has 1 years still
[19:54] <Kilos> expires 2017
[19:55] <Kilos> lts are 5 years
[19:55] <Langjan> must I now format new partition to?
[19:55] <Kilos> this new one we make now you tick format
[19:56] <Langjan> ext 4?
[19:56] <Kilos> 36 gig ext4
[19:56] <Kilos> mountpoint /
[19:58] <Langjan> mountpoint?
[19:58] <Kilos> root
[19:58] <Langjan> root?
[19:58] <Kilos> near bottom is mountpoint
[19:59] <Kilos> tish thearrow on the right of the block and choose the / sign
[19:59] <Kilos> thats your root folder
[19:59] <Kilos> root partition
[20:00] <Kilos> you see it?
[20:00] <Langjan> bottom of what? there no arrow
[20:00] <Langjan> no
[20:00] <Kilos> nee man
[20:00] <Langjan> in gparted?
[20:00] <Kilos> did you tick new
[20:00] <Kilos> yes
[20:00] <Langjan> yes
[20:00] <Kilos> that opens a window
[20:01] <Kilos> where you choose size
[20:01] <Langjan> theres ane dev/sda1 partition
[20:01] <Kilos> tick once on free space
[20:01] <Langjan> a new 
[20:01] <Kilos> 'then choose new or add
[20:01] <Langjan> theres no free space
[20:01] <Kilos> what
[20:01] <Langjan> only unallocated and new partition
[20:02] <Kilos> you made a 36 gig partiton
[20:02] <Langjan> ytes
[20:02] <Langjan> yes
[20:02] <Kilos> unallocated then how big
[20:02] <Langjan> about 100 gb
[20:02] <Kilos> right tick it and then new
[20:03] <Kilos> tell me what you see
[20:03] <Kilos> should be same as when you made first new one
[20:03] <Langjan> sorry, the dev sda is 100 gb the unallocated is 55
[20:04] <Langjan> thought you wanted to leave the first part open
[20:04] <Kilos> 36g unused
[20:04] <Kilos> the rest we use
[20:04] <Langjan> yes thats about it
[20:05] <Kilos> if you see a thing that says beginning of drive for the 35g then tick it
[20:05] <Langjan> so I have formatted 100 gb to dev sda
[20:05] <Kilos> ok so 36 from 140 is 104
[20:05] <Kilos> nothing formatted yet
[20:06] <Kilos> these will all be /sda1 and 5 and 7 etc
[20:06] <Kilos> sa is the whole drive
[20:06] <Langjan> I have formatted 100gb to dev/sda1
[20:06] <Kilos> sda
[20:06] <Kilos> something wrong
[20:06] <Kilos> delete everything again
[20:07] <Langjan> ok
[20:07] <Kilos> then listen carefully and we do one step at a time
[20:08] <Kilos> after you apply you should have 140g unallocated
[20:08] <Kilos> keep me informed please
[20:09] <Langjan> ok unallocated is 148 gb
[20:09] <Kilos> yay
[20:09] <Kilos> tick once on it
[20:09] <Kilos> highlight it i think its called
[20:10] <Kilos> then choose partition at the top
[20:10] <Kilos> and in that new
[20:10] <Kilos> tell when ready
[20:11] <Langjan> somethings awry, mouse not working
[20:11] <Kilos> wow
[20:11] <Kilos> hehe
[20:12] <Kilos> murphy is sitting on your shoulder
[20:12] <Langjan> kom ons gaan slaap probeer more weer
[20:12] <Kilos> reboot to try u buntu gain
[20:12] <Kilos> lets just see if we can get 2 partitions
[20:12] <Kilos> i go wee while you reboot
[20:12] <Kilos> and open gparted
[20:15] <Kilos> if you would rather try again tomorrow oom jan thats fine with me too
[20:15] <Kilos> i think that drive is messed
[20:15] <Langjan> I dont want to keep you from bed...
[20:16] <Langjan> its not urgent to do now
[20:16] <Kilos> forget about me man
[20:16] <Kilos> if you arent tired we can go on
[20:16] <Langjan> how can I forget my slave/driver?
[20:16] <Kilos> hahaha
[20:17] <Langjan> ok opening ubuntu try phase
[20:18] <Langjan> gparted open shows 55 gb unallocated and 93gb dev/sda1
[20:19] <Langjan> must I delete again?
[20:19] <Kilos> delete all
[20:20] <Kilos> then we have 148g unallocated
[20:20] <Langjan> nothing is reacting to clicks...
[20:21] <Kilos> sda1 not highlighting?
[20:21] <Langjan> system frozen
[20:21] <Langjan> no
[20:21] <Kilos> oh mhy
[20:21] <Langjan> screen flashes black and mouse cursor comes and goes
[20:22] <Kilos> brush murphy off you shoulder
[20:22] <Kilos> or run outside and brush him off
[20:22] <Kilos> then come turn off pc and we try tomorrow
[20:23] <Kilos> someting very sick there
[20:23] <Langjan> lets go sleep, I got up at 03:45
[20:23] <Langjan> yes agreed
[20:23] <Langjan> slaap lekker  
[20:23] <Kilos> maybe pull battery and power plug for the night
[20:23] <Langjan> ok will do
[20:23] <Kilos> lekker slaap julle ook
[20:23] <Langjan> dankie
[20:23] <Kilos> night my friend
[20:23] <Kilos> anytime
[20:24] <Kilos> i think we need anothedr drive
[20:24] <Kilos> see you tomorrow
[20:24] <Langjan> goeienag slawedrywer, the guys seem to be able to get a drive from Pretoria
[20:24] <Langjan> so perhaps rthats the way to go
[20:24] <Kilos> the guys?
[20:24] <Langjan> who built the computer
[20:25] <Kilos> ok 
[20:25] <Kilos> new or secon=d hand
[20:25] <Langjan> baie dankie 
[20:25] <Langjan> secondhand
[20:26] <Kilos> ok but we can try bypass bad area on this one as well
[20:26] <Kilos> be interesting
[20:26] <Langjan> ok lets see tomorrow
[20:26] <Kilos> see you tomorrow
[20:26] <Kilos> tell juanita i didnt call her tannie
[20:26] <Kilos> lekker slaap
[20:26] <Langjan> thkas good and reliable friend  
[20:26] <Langjan> will do 
[20:26] <Kilos> night all, sleep tight
[20:27] <Kilos> night kulelu88 
[20:52] <pavlushka> goodnight acery one!