[18:47] <autumna> recordmydesktop is pretty terrible and buggy. zequence what are you thinking as a potential replacement?
[18:50] <autumna> ok.. I really need to read more carefully the emails before responding to them. 
[19:29] <zequence> autumna: I don't remember the name. I was doing some screen recording at my studio and ended up using two different applications. One for the desktop and one for my cam
[19:29] <zequence> So, I need to go there to check them out. Slight chance one of the applications is not in the archive
[19:30] <zequence> I was looking for something that was able to record both video and audio without using too much space
[19:30] <zequence> Finally found a pretty neat solution
[19:30] <zequence> Think Kazaam is not great with audio
[19:31] <zequence> Don't remember which setup gave me either no audio, or very out of sync audio
[19:40] <sakrecoer> i have tried everything i could find for desktop recording... the best i got was kazaam and audacity in pseudo synch
[20:00] <autumna> oh dear
[20:01] <autumna> I do wonder if blender has some hidden feature somewhere, because since you know
[20:01] <autumna> blender does everything
[20:04] <sakrecoer> what are you looking for autumna ?
[20:05] <sakrecoer> i'm pretty sure you can do screen casts in blender, but i don't think it allows you to record anything else, if that is what you are looking for?
[20:05] <autumna> something that can record desktop, preferably with audio. I have an art pieces I want to document before flash completely gets irrevelant. that's the primary need. the rest, is just to maybe make tutorials one day or something (audio isn't necessary for that)
[20:05] <sakrecoer> aren't there any screencast tools specificaly for firefox?
[20:06] <autumna> I haven't looked into it to be honest. it is in my todo list
[20:07] <sakrecoer> hehe... there is ONE.... https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/capture-fox/?src=search
[20:07] <sakrecoer> "now works in firefox 5 and 6
[20:07] <sakrecoer> :D
[20:08] <autumna> that one is 5 years old
[20:08] <autumna> and not functional
[20:08] <autumna> :D
[20:20] <OvenWerks> VLC can record desktop. I could not get audio in though even though the dialog had audio selected.
[20:21] <autumna> ovenwerks I just ran into that over wikipedia
[20:21] <autumna> I'll definitely give it a try. 
[20:22] <autumna> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SimpleScreenRecorder this looks promising
[20:27] <OvenWerks> Audio in seems to require an alsa device free, so no jack/pa running or alsa loopback and jack.
[20:29] <OvenWerks> I don't imagine any of the other are different, but recording the desktop would be a lot easier on a dual monitor setup in mirror mode so it only sees one screen
[20:31] <autumna> no it does allow jack
[20:31] <autumna> it says it allows jack :)
[20:34] <autumna> OvenWerks:  this one doesn't allow that? 
[20:34] <OvenWerks> vlc sees alsa or oss.
[20:35] <autumna> ohh
[20:35] <autumna> sorry I skipped to simplescreenrecorder :)
[20:38] <OvenWerks> vokoscreen?
[20:38] <autumna> I never actually used vlc for desktop recording so possible. 
[20:38] <autumna> *googles*
[20:43] <OvenWerks> Vokoscreen seems to just work. It is set by default for 25fps. Uses the default Pulseaudio device... which in my case is jack_source :)
[20:43] <autumna> nice
[20:44] <OvenWerks> It allows window/fullscreen/area selection which means no need to select mirrror for double monitors.
[20:45] <sakrecoer> OvenWerks: wow!! that one completly passed me by!
[20:46] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer: it is just a gui on top of ffmpeg/avconv
[20:48] <OvenWerks> I was looking in our repos for simplescreenrecorder (not there) when I found it.
[20:48] <autumna> I think simplesoundrecorder might be breaking jack. it is a very new software
[20:48] <autumna> well... relatively speaking
[20:49] <autumna> patchage: symbol lookup error: patchage: undefined symbol: JACK_METADATA_PRETTY_NAME
[20:49] <autumna> does anyone have any idea what this means? 
[20:50] <sakrecoer> OvenWerks: did you manage to get sound?
[20:50] <OvenWerks> yes, OOTB
[20:50] <sakrecoer> OvenWerks: in vokoscreen
[20:50] <OvenWerks> yes
[20:50] <sakrecoer> hmm.. i didn't...
[20:50] <OvenWerks> I used pulse.
[20:51] <sakrecoer> me too
[20:51] <OvenWerks> your audio has to be the default audio input
[20:51] <sakrecoer> yupp...
[20:51] <OvenWerks> I have all the sound cards turned off, so jack_source is the only input there :)
[20:52] <sakrecoer> ah, ok... let me try with jack..
[20:52] <sakrecoer> haha nevermind me :D
[20:52] <sakrecoer> maybe if i have volume on in the player it will help :D
[20:53] <OvenWerks> do not use the entry that says "Monitor" because the monitors pulses output rather than input.
[20:53] <sakrecoer> i actualy ticked both :D
[20:53] <sakrecoer> and it worked superfine (i was just being dumb)
[20:54] <sakrecoer> that lil webcam window is very handy also for ego-flattering tutorial :D
[20:54] <OvenWerks> I din't notice that as I have no webcam plugged in
[20:55] <OvenWerks> (so it is greyed out)
[20:55] <OvenWerks> Does it let you position the webcam window?
[20:56] <sakrecoer> yes! and stays on top :)
[20:56] <sakrecoer> i can even scale it to 25% tutorial, 75% me :D
[20:57] <sakrecoer> and stretch it so i look skinny
[20:58] <sakrecoer> (wrong place for stupid humour, sorry:) )
[20:59] <sakrecoer> however, its realy great. seems gentle on ressources even...
[20:59] <autumna> ok simplesoundrecorder does its job well, and seems to be good with framerates, and audio from pulse works. I do need to restart my computer to figure out what happened to my jack through
[20:59] <autumna> vokoscreen seems to be better through from what you describe. (goes to try that)
[20:59] <sakrecoer> although, i am running it on 14.04... and there is an indicator in the system tray
[21:04] <autumna> ok vokoscreen much more options and customizations but audio stuttering
[21:04] <autumna> with pulse audio sink at least
[21:04] <autumna> brb to restart system
[21:08] <sakrecoer> zequence: i got an idea for the feature tour on the website...
[21:09] <sakrecoer> zequence: i remember i was told by knome that it was possible to direct a subdomain to a different host... why don't we set-up a static website hosted on an ubuntstudio-github account?
[21:10] <sakrecoer> like feat.ubuntstudio.org
[21:11] <autumna> simplescreenrecorder, ok it might be that it updated jack not broke it, but the update broke patchage, so bad idea to install it on 14.04. *continues to play around*
[21:11] <sakrecoer> zequence: that way we could easily fix missed typos and such, while having a fresh layed out feature tour, where we can break the wordpress frame without heavy modules and bothering RT guys...
[21:13] <OvenWerks> autumna: The error you describe would be one of the few jack1/2 differences. Jack1 has pretty names, but not jack2 and they have not used "weak" linking as they should have. (weak linking allows for features that are in one version and not the other)
[21:14] <autumna> I see...
[21:15] <autumna> I am not quite sure at which stage I caused the upgrade
[21:16]  * OvenWerks is not sure "weaking linking"is quite the right term... weak is right, but not sure the other.
[21:16] <OvenWerks> Ubuntu studio has had jackd2 for many years.
[21:16] <autumna> then how did patchage work fine until now?
[21:16] <autumna> O.o
[21:16]  * autumna is laughing
[21:16] <autumna> did 14.04 have it?
[21:17] <OvenWerks> patchage is fine, though I have had the odd crash with it.
[21:17] <OvenWerks> autumna: studio 10.04 had jackd2
[21:17] <OvenWerks> maybe before
[21:18] <OvenWerks> https://github.com/jackaudio/jackaudio.github.com/wiki/Q_difference_jack1_jack2
[21:18] <OvenWerks> is the paper on the subject
[21:19] <OvenWerks> they should have been called jackd and jackdmp
[21:19] <autumna> *blinks* well patchage just started giving me that error in 14.04 after installing simplescreenrecorder, (assuming it wasn't something else I recently installed that broke it) I don't mind very much just, very confused. *goes to read*
[21:19] <OvenWerks> you may note that jack1 has a version < 1 and jackd2 has a version less than 2  :)
[21:21] <OvenWerks> simplescreenreader may be the problem then. file a bug report if you like.
[21:22] <OvenWerks> There are other applications that use pretty names (jack1 style) and do not crash patchage.
[21:22] <autumna> I might but I will have to test it on a fresh 14.04 install to reproduce the error. (either way it is not even in the ubuntu repository yet), and try it on 16.04 to see if it breaks anything, if we consider it to add to the repository
[21:23] <OvenWerks> It won't be there for 16.04 now, maybe 16.10 if it goes fast enough.
[21:23] <autumna> *nods*
[21:23] <OvenWerks> but the bug report should be upstream anyway. The dev should fix this as most of the world uses jackd 2
[21:24] <autumna> yeah, I am not even sure 100% that it was this alone that broke it
[21:24] <autumna> this is my normal install where things went weird. 
[21:25] <OvenWerks> My version of vokoscreen did not have choppy audio on it. if you are using a webcam mic or internal laptop mic, you may try changing the pulseaudio default sample rate to 48000... known problem that some mics are 48000 only
[21:27] <OvenWerks> 48k being the windows standard.
[21:27] <autumna> I was using the computer audio
[21:28] <autumna> but let me try that after it
[21:37] <sakrecoer> works like a charm with jack here!
[21:37] <sakrecoer> vokoscreen
[21:38] <sakrecoer> the vokoscreen version shipped in 16.04 has much imporved GUI
[21:40] <autumna> with jack or jacksource?
[21:41] <OvenWerks> autumna: If I have both source and monitor selected while playing an MP3 I get audio crackling, but if I just have one or the other it works fine.
[21:41] <sakrecoer> i ticked both... :D
[21:41] <OvenWerks> I suspect this is a pulse artifact rather than vocoscreen.
[21:42] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer: I have a audio player playing an MP3 that may be a different SR than jack.
[21:42] <sakrecoer> SR?
[21:42] <OvenWerks> sample rate
[21:42] <autumna> OvenWerks: it is not cracking as much as stuttering (and probably dropping some frames.
[21:42] <sakrecoer> i didn't even touch the jack settings. 
[21:43] <autumna> oh dear. I just crashed ffmpeg with vokoscreen. (this is the 14.04 version through)
[21:43] <sakrecoer> but in vokoscreen i picked "monitor of JAck sink" and "Jack Source"
[21:43] <OvenWerks> Ya, just one should sound better
[21:43] <sakrecoer> i haven't tested with headphones
[21:43] <OvenWerks> It depends what you are trying to record
[21:44] <sakrecoer> i was thinking "one might be my mic, other might be outpute of sodtware in pulsesink
[21:44] <sakrecoer> *output *software
[21:44] <autumna> OvenWerks: lets say I was pushing it to see performance.
[21:44] <autumna> :D
[21:46] <autumna> also one bad side of using the pulseaudio is that the audio level is affected by my computer audio level. which can be a good thing or bad thing.
[21:47] <autumna> (frankly both of these software are great. it is more nitpicking at this stage)
[21:47] <OvenWerks> autumna: my setup does not allow PA access to the audio cards levels.
[21:48] <autumna> OvenWerks: multiple purpose set up: everything from daily use to audio recording
[21:48] <autumna> :)
[21:49] <OvenWerks> I think If I wanted to record both the output of a desktop application and my mic at the same time I would take the application audio into jack mix and port it back into pulse for vokoscreen to record.
[21:51] <OvenWerks> Audacious does have jack out, but as I recall it tries to connect to everything in sight :P
[21:51] <sakrecoer> OvenWerks: what is the difference between the 2 entries in vokoscreen, except as you said before "one should sound better" ?
[21:52] <OvenWerks> One records the default source (mic directly) and the other records what pulse is about to send your speaker.
[21:53] <autumna> vokoscreen has serious audio lag and chopping. newer version might be fixing it but as things stand yeah... (it is a well thought out interface through in uses where performance isn't an issue)
[21:53] <OvenWerks> So monitor is good to record a desktop application that uses pulse as its output. and the source is good to record mic in.
[21:55] <sakrecoer> thanks OvenWerks
[21:55] <sakrecoer> i don't find "jack mix"
[21:56] <OvenWerks> :)
[21:57] <sakrecoer> isn't that what you mean when you say "take the application audio into jack mix and port it back into pulse for vokoscreen to record." like just ticking both those options in vokoscreen?
[21:57] <OvenWerks> the idea was I would _something_ in jack to mix it, like ardour or non-mixer
[21:57] <sakrecoer> right. of course
[21:57] <OvenWerks> mixing in jack would be less likely to have PA aritfacts.
[21:58] <sakrecoer> yeah, also, to have decent voice over you might want to use a decent mic anyway, hence a decent soundcard..
[21:59] <OvenWerks> idjc is not bad for VO
[22:00] <OvenWerks> actually an easy mixer would be two jackracks with the right plugins.
[22:01] <OvenWerks> Carla would work too
[22:01] <sakrecoer> wouldn't idjc be a bit overkill just for VO?
[22:01] <OvenWerks> Could be.
[22:02] <sakrecoer> the mixer isn't particularily nice in it either..
[22:02] <sakrecoer> which reminds me i havn't checked it in 16.04 yet...
[22:03] <OvenWerks> There was another one... jackEQ maybe?
[22:03] <sakrecoer> i used to use idjc quite a lot..
[22:04] <sakrecoer> but not for mixing, just for radioshows..
[22:04] <OvenWerks> That is what it is for
[22:04] <sakrecoer> obviiously mixing 2 channels and a microphone, but not in the audio sense... 
[22:04] <zequence> sakrecoer: It's no problem adding static pages to the community theme
[22:04] <zequence> There may even be some nice plugins for creating custom pages
[22:05] <zequence> ..which I think is probably the simplest of all
[22:05] <sakrecoer> zequence: ok, by static i mean html, not php..
[22:05] <sakrecoer> is that possible in wordpress
[22:05] <sakrecoer> ?
[22:05] <zequence> sakrecoer: I don't see the upside, tbh
[22:06] <sakrecoer> stuff like this: http://tfb.basspistol.com
[22:07] <zequence> It's good to be creative, but the main purpose is spreading information.
[22:07] <sakrecoer> maybe its possible with wordpress? i'm not very familiar with it. i know it was a real PITA with drupal...
[22:07] <sakrecoer> i'm purley talking about the feature tour
[22:07] <zequence> I realize that
[22:07] <sakrecoer> also, i don't vision something THAT extreme...
[22:07] <autumna> creating a feature tour is possible with wordpress plugins
[22:07] <sakrecoer> but i vision something more creative than a straight wordpress frame
[22:08] <zequence> Like autumna said
[22:08] <sakrecoer> sweet! 
[22:08] <zequence> sakrecoer: You can experiment on our staging site if you want
[22:08] <sakrecoer> i lost the password
[22:08] <zequence> We can't install plugins ourselves on our main site, but once we know which ones we want, we can create an rt rticket
[22:09] <sakrecoer> yeah, but then we need to maintain those plugins updated? our will RT take care of that?
[22:09] <sakrecoer> i mean, wordpress is PHP, not sanitizing it is suicide
[22:10] <sakrecoer> ok, i read "we caN install plugins ourself" sorry
[22:10] <sakrecoer> that is what i am talking about.... it is so much work for nothing...
[22:10] <zequence> The other way around
[22:11] <zequence> Much easier to maintain
[22:11] <zequence> That's why peole use WP
[22:11] <sakrecoer> yes, the news part obviously..
[22:11] <autumna> sakrecoer: a) there is a LOT of wordpress sites out there. so if we chose a plugin that is well maintained, it is actually more secure. also I am guessing from zequence's comments here (feel free to correct me zequence) that they have a multi-install of wordpress.
[22:12] <sakrecoer> more secure than html?
[22:12] <zequence> sakrecoer: Why don't you start by learning some more about WP first, before you want to replace a perfectly good solution
[22:12] <autumna> so they just make sure the plugin is installed and everybody can enable and disable it at will, and wordpress has options to auto update.
[22:12] <sakrecoer> i'm not talking about replacing anything
[22:12] <zequence> sakrecoer: Did you get the code?
[22:12] <sakrecoer> yes
[22:12] <sakrecoer> thanks
[22:13] <sakrecoer> can i install plugins with that code zequence ?
[22:13] <zequence> The front page could use a custom look, which is hard without either hacking the theme yourself, or installing a plugin
[22:14] <zequence> sakrecoer: Yes, it's the admin password
[22:14] <sakrecoer> ok, so i don't need an ftp to add the plugin?
[22:14] <sakrecoer> nice
[22:14] <zequence> for http://ubuntustudio.zequence.net, that is
[22:14] <sakrecoer> yes:)
[22:14] <zequence> I do some php, so wouldn't be too hard for me to do something custom
[22:14] <sakrecoer> last time i had a wordpress you would have to upload the plugin to the ftp in order to enable it...
[22:15] <zequence> sakrecoer: Was that the last decade?
[22:15] <sakrecoer> acutaly yes :)
[22:15] <sakrecoer> but i opted for drupal :)
[22:15] <zequence> Only if the plugin is not in the WP plugin repo
[22:16]  * autumna has opinions about drupal
[22:16] <sakrecoer> me too
[22:16] <sakrecoer> i prefer jekyll
[22:16] <sakrecoer> jekyll made webdesign fun again, for me that is
[22:17] <autumna> sakrecoer: I know what you mean, and I do have some issues with wordpress (or rather themes being too clunky) but how does jekyll scale when you have multiple people editing the same pages?
[22:17] <zequence> Actually, you can upload plugins from the WP interface, I just noticed (when they are not from the WP repo)
[22:18] <sakrecoer> autumna: that is why i want to keep the wordpress, but let the _feature tour_ be a static html page. a sexy one
[22:19] <sakrecoer> but hey, it was just a suggestion...
[22:19] <autumna> sakrecoer: if your main site is wordpress you already have the clunk. what would be the adventage of having a separate site that is in a subdomain? especially with something essential like a feature tour (not a rhetorical question)
[22:19] <sakrecoer> autumna: also, with github pages, it becomes rather easy to be multiple users publishing to a jekyll site
[22:20] <sakrecoer> autumna: having a sexy layout, without having clunky sexy-layout plugins to maintain up to date
[22:21] <autumna> sakrecoer: sakrecoer maintaining well maintained plugins usually only involves clicking a button if that :) 
[22:21]  * autumna fails at sentence building. 
[22:21] <sakrecoer> nice, we will still look like everysite using that plugin out there :D
[22:22] <sakrecoer> but fine, i mean, it is obviously just med who sees an advantage, and it was just a suggestion
[22:22] <autumna> sakrecoer: but is that a bad thing? this is not an artistic layout, we want things to be easily accessible to people. so sometimes, familiar is not a bad thing.
[22:24]  * OvenWerks longs for olden days when html always autoformatted to whatever screen size one had...
[22:24] <autumna> if it is ok with zequence, you can look into creating a jekyll sample site to show everyone if you feel strongly. but do also try out wordpress. I think at this point what is the percentage? 70% of the sites out there is using it? in the end, the question is what is the goal of the website?
[22:24] <sakrecoer> sure, its not a bad thing. just a bit boring :D also, original, does not equal inaccessible :)
[22:24] <zequence> sakrecoer: Creating a custom page is pretty simple, so neeed for subdomains
[22:25] <sakrecoer> yes, that is the way i will go about autumna :) 
[22:25] <zequence> I could set one up, if I'm reminded later this week
[22:25] <autumna> the primary job here is to do it in a cost effective way. is original more cost effective then modifying the conventional way, is the solution. or rather does the conventional solution have a big enough flaw that requires the extra effort of an original solution. 
[22:26] <sakrecoer> zequence: i will remind you :)
[22:26] <sakrecoer> autumna: cost effective?
[22:27] <autumna> sakrecoer: is the original solution that we get will be better enough to justify the time spent to create the original solution?
[22:27] <sakrecoer> if i have to look into sollutions for WP, it will be more costeffective than if i had to look for a plain html sollution...
[22:27] <sakrecoer> but i guess, i will not be the one who do it :)
[22:27] <sakrecoer> oh.. that came off upside down
[22:28] <autumna> sakrecoer: heh yup, but I get what you mean. remember through it is important if it is cost effective for you in this scenario as the creator.
[22:28] <sakrecoer> if i have to look into it, static html will be more cost effective than investigating plugin options
[22:29] <sakrecoer> i think the wordpress is very good, the new theme is great and all :) its just the feature tour... i wish it could be more than just a blog page...
[22:29] <autumna> sakrecoer: but once you make a website it is also about people who will put the content in. if it is a system that is hard to use, people cannot directly contribute, so you will have to do all the moving content into the website people give you, or train others. so that also adds into effectiveness of the system.
[22:29] <sakrecoer> but i'm sure zequence has a good pair of tricks up his sleeve for that :)
[22:29] <autumna> I am not saying your option is bad, just trying to put things into context. 
[22:30] <sakrecoer> autumna: yes, i know, that is why i am ONLY talking about the feature tour. because it soesnt need to be updated more than once every 6 month... (maybe even once every lts)
[22:32] <autumna> sakrecoer: that is still one of the parts of the site that gets updated most often unless I am mistaken. :)
[22:34] <zequence> sakrecoer: autumna: in WP, it's possible to add a custom page template, which can be used when creating a new page. The page can have custom CSS, which is the most essential part for the look
[22:35] <sakrecoer> cool! :) i'll start looking at the options. :)) do you have any idea of any nice custom page plugin zequence ?
[22:35] <zequence> One problem with WP plugins is that you first need to find one that works, and that may take some time and googling
[22:35] <zequence> sakrecoer: I would ask knome for advice on that
[22:35] <zequence> Once you found a plugin, it may have a learning curve
[22:36] <zequence> But, once you get past that, production is fast
[22:36] <sakrecoer> yeah, well, i could have a html feature tour finished tomorrow...
[22:36] <sakrecoer> autumna: the blog roll is what really gets updated..
[22:36] <zequence> sakrecoer: Ok. Do it.
[22:36] <zequence> We can see how we implement it later
[22:37] <sakrecoer> cool! :)
[22:37] <autumna> (zequence, sakrecoer my favorite rule of thumb is start with ones updated most, and has most users and browse by that, that in my experience cuts the searching by a lot :D.)
[22:38] <zequence> There are plugins that lets you add page templates. But, not sure how advanced those are
[22:38] <sakrecoer> autumna: http://www.ubuntustudio.zequence.net that is the main page as designed by the good knome :)
[22:38] <zequence> Anyway, nighty time here. Catch you all later
[22:38] <sakrecoer> g'night!
[22:38] <OvenWerks> o/
[22:39] <autumna> ah. gnight zequence
[22:39] <sakrecoer> autumna: the template that is, and it's all experimental yet..
[22:39] <sakrecoer> i think...
[22:39] <sakrecoer> i mean, the content is experimental
[22:39] <sakrecoer> pics and text and so forth
[22:40] <autumna> sakrecoer: the designer in me has some nitpicks but that is expected. ;) overall this looks good. I'll poke at it over mobile browser tomorrow
[22:40] <sakrecoer> please do so!! :)
[22:41] <sakrecoer> and don't be affraid to express your opinions, ideas and whatnots! you will see i can be a bit stubborn at times, but it is often just a sign i'm struggling with understanding what is being comunicated to me :D
[22:42] <autumna> ... you guys might regret that 
[22:42] <autumna> *laughs*
[22:42] <autumna> well though actually I have one comment about this layout really. 
[22:46] <sakrecoer> ...in the next episode of "ubuntustudio website triangulation"
[22:46] <sakrecoer> ?
[22:46] <autumna> (sorry I am trying the right color, and figure out how to use firefox developer tools to tweak it)
[22:48] <sakrecoer> no, i am sorry :) there is no stress :)
[22:49] <autumna> no need to be sorry, I got distracted :D
[22:49] <autumna> I know I left you in a cliff hanger there ;D
[22:51] <sakrecoer> hmm... where do i find the plugins in WP? i see the ones that are installed, but i find no page to install browse available for install...
[22:52] <sakrecoer> oh got it :)
[22:55] <sakrecoer> i'm pretty sure this is a WP, and while it isn't exactly suited for us, i think somehting a but articulated like that would be great...http://olakalnins.com/
[22:56] <autumna> sakrecoer: https://wordpress.org/plugins/browse/popular/
[22:57] <sakrecoer> ty :)
[22:58] <autumna> np
[22:58] <autumna> https://wordpress.org/plugins/2j-slideshow/screenshots/ some sites use slideshows like this to do their feature tours. but I don't know what you are planning.
[23:01] <autumna> and as for the layout I would try replacing menu color from #009BF9 to some websafe color around #4485AC and see how it looks. :) 
[23:03] <sakrecoer> :) i think 009bf9 is pretty sacred...
[23:03] <sakrecoer> its the "corporated blue" :D
[23:03] <sakrecoer> coporate* even
[23:04] <autumna> really? :D well the previous website wasn't using it so I assumed it was a safe feedback ;)
[23:04] <sakrecoer> which reminds me to link you to these pages: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CategoryUbuntuStudioArtwork
[23:04] <sakrecoer> yeah, but the CoF (Circle Of Friends) is using it and well, it's the ubuntustudio blue :)
[23:06] <autumna> I did look at them. also didn't you have a wallpaper contest recently?
[23:06] <sakrecoer> websafe is a good idea in itself. i donät like to exclude places like africa, but i think even over there moste people have more than 216 colors by now..
[23:07] <autumna> or the exact color then
[23:08] <sakrecoer> we did have a contest yes :) you shoule be able to see the winning entries if you go into settings=>desktop
[23:08] <sakrecoer> exact color? you mean #339999? http://www.colorhexa.com/4485ac
[23:09] <autumna> like that
[23:10] <autumna> that is the websafe color. not the exact one
[23:10] <sakrecoer> more like 0099ff maybe :)
[23:11] <autumna> that's what you currently have yes
[23:11] <sakrecoer> colors and tastes... :D
[23:12] <sakrecoer> i think if you want to do something about them, you should try create an entire concept first :)
[23:13] <sakrecoer> 009bf9 is established and agreed, at this point it won't be changed. but with a good argumentation and a sollid proposal anything can happen
[23:14] <autumna> I have no problem with the color itself as part of the visual identity. it just shines a bit too much as the menu background in my opinion but you know what. I am not getting into a color argument on my 3rd day here. thanks
[23:14] <autumna> :D
[23:16] <sakrecoer> :D
[23:17] <sakrecoer> the diaporama plugin is a good suggestion tho!
[23:17] <autumna> I haven't tried that particular one but it seemed to be a pretty flexible one. 
[23:18] <sakrecoer> yes, i will try install it and see what can be done :)
[23:19] <autumna> ok. I am off to sleep it is pretty late here. gnight! :)
[23:20] <sakrecoer> g'night!