[00:00] It's not really a partisan issue. [00:01] Yeah, probably not. It is just embarrassing that the senator from my state was instrumental in its creation. We already have a reputation of being backwards enough as it is, and now with the encryption bill and HB-2… [00:01] Luckily, most big tech companies are opposed to both of those things. [04:35] yofel: sgclark: clivejo: guys update manager systray icon is broken again after newest update [04:36] it was fixed by yofel in staging [04:36] but after installing newest updates systray icon is broken again (doesn't refresh/shows updates when there is none) [04:37] yofel did backport commit from this bug report which fixed the bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=347602 [04:37] KDE bug 347602 in Updater "Update Manager systray icon and info still reports pending updates after updates applied" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] [04:38] please backport the fix (again) [04:38] : I am going to bed... if he did not commit the fix... I will have to look tomorrow. [04:38] : Or is that muon? [04:38] : Regardless sleeping. [04:39] sgclark: this is the commit https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=discover.git&a=commit&h=749f5be5ebc7b56143e9952d085f396f3bd65905 [04:39] sgclark: good night sweat dreams [04:39] : I am on my phone... [04:40] : Thanks. Will look into this tomorrow === Don is now known as Guest47640 === Sho__ is now known as Sho_ [08:20] :< http://news.softpedia.com/news/opensuse-tumbleweed-users-get-kde-plasma-5-6-2-linux-kernel-4-5-1-mesa-11-2-0-503056.shtml [08:23] well, we just gotta get it all packaged up and ready to backport asap [08:23] once our release is shipshape [08:43] * valorie just build base pbuilder [08:53] and now I can't seem to remember the passphrase for key '/home/valorie/.ssh/id_rsa' [08:53] bleah [08:55] going to bed [09:06] Good Morning [09:06] Just finished a write up on Kubuntu Party [09:06] hi [09:06] http://kubuntu.org/news/party-2-in-review/ [09:06] : hiho [11:02] sgclark, clivejo, whover: kcachegrind-converters/amd64 unsatisfiable Depends: php5-cli [11:03] I noticed someone going around changing those too [11:05] trying to move to PHP7 [11:06] doko: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/k/kcachegrind/kcachegrind_15.12.1-0ubuntu2/changelog [11:06] Update to PHP7.0 dependencies (LP: #1544352). [11:06] Launchpad bug 1544352 in adminer (Ubuntu) "[PHP7] After bootstrapping, these PHP packages can be rebuilt" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1544352 [11:07] clivejo, looks like you guys overwrite other archive changes ... 4:15.12.3-0ubuntu1 wouldn't be the first time [11:09] : Lol. We are in debian git. If we are not given the changes, then guess what? [11:12] The control file clear says our VCS [11:12] : Yup. [11:12] : We are not the ones to blame here. [11:13] @sgclark2 after all the updates, kontact is broken for me this morning :( [11:14] on the plus side, amarok seems to be working [11:14] : It is 4am. Not ready to work yet [11:14] I know, just a heads up [11:15] why you up at 4am? [11:15] : Evidently laptop isn't either. Taking forever to boot [11:15] : Couldn't sleep. Too stressed out [11:15] mysql 5.7 nightmares? [11:16] : Seriously considering this to be my last release. [11:16] : Haha. Among everything else. [11:17] I had a similar nightmare [11:17] : Like package updates in apparently random repos [11:17] you and phil resigned :( [11:17] : Philip resigned? [11:17] in my nightmare [11:17] : Oh! [11:18] noooo not for real [11:18] : Well I would not vanish. I will fully support my releases [11:19] : Just weighing my options. Need to sort out my career. [11:19] : Or lack thereof [11:20] ScottK: oh, cool, I wasn't aware of that, let me see if that patch went to reviewboard ... [11:20] yeah, packaging dont put food on the table and pay bills [11:20] +1 do what makes you happy and brings some profit :) [11:20] plus the ay things are right now its stressful! [11:21] way [11:21] can afect health as well :/ [11:23] : Yup [11:26] anyway, must go make dinner, its family day ! [11:38] Hiyas all [11:41] : Hi bluekaj [11:41] Hi Clifford [12:02] clivejo: soooo do you think akonadi needed more than just the mysql bump then? you told me to ignore that other stuff : / [12:28] hmm other stuff was source. so nothing to change there. I have no idea why akonadi would be broken... [12:31] and it works for me [12:53] Hello everyone here!!1 [12:55] hiho libi [12:56] A respectful welcome to everyone here [12:57] hiyas [12:57] Sir,I am new to contribution CAn Anyone here please guide me in starting contribution .I temperarily know only basic c,c++,html,css,javascript [12:58] I learnt it from college [12:58] Can anyone here please guide me. [12:59] if your looking to program you probably want to be in #kde-devel asking that. [13:02] parden me sir,i couldnt understand what you meant,could you please repeat and explain [13:04] i am actually not perfect in english thats y,so i request to forgive me if i have grammar mistake [13:05] I would consider myself more of a ma'am. What I am trying to say is we do not develop c,c++ etc here specifically. We package up programs to ships as a whole of Kubuntu. [13:06] If you want to learn program developement you probably want to be in #kde-devel and ask questions there. Most of us are not necessarily programmers and will not be much help. [13:06] if you want to learn packaging, well hang out in here. Right now is not a good time as we are on the cusp of a release. [13:08] !testers: I burned today's daily iso, and it did not start plasma, but dropped me into a login prompt. The Beta2 ISO did start a live Plasma session. Can any testers duplicat it? [13:08] mparillo: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [13:08] !testers [13:08] Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, Quintasan, lordievader, shrini, tester56, parad1se, mamarley, alket, SourBlues, sgclark, neo31, vip, mparillo for information [13:08] ^^^ [13:09] hey mparillo, what's up? [13:09] ok thanks sir i understand thanks a lot sir,sgclark [13:09] BluesKaj: Good morning. I burned today's daily iso, and it did not start plasma, but dropped me into a login prompt. The Beta2 ISO did start a live Plasma session. [13:11] libi: just an FYI sir implies male gender. Not all of us are male, in fact I am not. So perhaps don't use that. Cheers [13:11] i think someone reported it on #kubuntu or some social channel also [13:12] mparillo, I've had the login issue for about 4 days now, and I have the staging-plasma and landing ppas in my sources.list [13:12] ok sorry ,i wont use it here after [13:12] its ok, just information :) [13:13] hmmm,I understand respect it that you told it [13:13] :) [13:13] I really don't feel like reinstalling again, mparillo [13:15] thanks soee and BluesKaj, but this was on the ISO, not on an install. So, I basically have been running zsync, and today I ran dd for the first time since Beta2, and found it would not start Plasma for me. [13:15] mparillo: some VM or booting from USB/CD ? [13:18] Booting from a USB [13:18] I plan to test from a VM tomorrow morning. [13:19] making usb [13:19] rebooting to test brb [13:21] mparillo: from my experiane booting any USB failed for me almost every time [13:21] and i'm not talkign about sddm but booting system :) [13:22] soee: I used to like the safety of unetbootin, but for about a year now, it did not boot at all, so I went to dd. However, this ISO did boot. I can get a login prompt and type kubuntu and sudo poweroff just fine. It is just that plasma did not load. [13:23] yeah it is sad that system cant be simply booted from SUB even if the usb is done through Startaup Disc creator [13:24] : I did not get option for live desktop. Went straight to installer. Abort! [13:25] : Laptops evidently don't come with dvd anymore... [13:29] they don't ? :D [13:29] i must be on some old crappy one than :D [13:29] : Well mine doesn't :( [13:30] : Will have to test on vm. Not sure if that is helpful [13:31] mparillo: you did install system and then have been dropped to cli ? [13:36] I did not install. Lately on Xenial, booting the ISO gives a live plasma session instead of the option of try / install. [13:37] haha I got the complete opposite [13:38] I actually prefer the live plasma session with the install program in a desktop folder on the default desktop. [13:39] Certainly getting dropped straight into an installer is a bigger bug than the reverse. [13:40] sadly I know absolutely nothing of ubiquity [13:40] so I am likely no help if it is broken. or installation issues at all. [13:41] Thanks for trying anyway. Maybe the base Ubuntu project changed something recently. [13:41] I have learned a valuable lesson. I know so much less than I thought I did when it comes to release [13:42] I learned I know nothing about release! [13:42] lol [13:42] The first step towards wisdom is acknowledging that you do not know everything. [13:42] Maybe I should write fortunes for fortune cookies [13:43] the release fairies do it [13:44] I will join #ubuntu-release and see if they know anything [13:45] clivejo: installed muon 5.6.0-0ubuntu1 from main repo but is still showing as 5.5 in "about" http://i.imgur.com/sqWA8ea.png [13:46] acheron: that would need to be reported upstream [13:47] in fact all those details need corected [13:47] with Carlo, Ovidiu and Rick added in as maintainers [13:48] figured so, but wasn't sure who has responsibility now. [13:48] do you have Carlo's email? [13:48] maybe [13:49] hopefully if we can provide him with decent feedback, he will see people are using it and think its worth the effort in maintaining [13:50] Id also like to see a link to it in Discover [13:50] like in Advanced Tools or something [13:51] What? as in "if you'd like to use a proper package manager, please click this link?" [13:51] LOL yeah [13:51] lol, yes perhaps [13:51] big red button :) [13:52] mparillo: there was known bug [13:52] clicking it plays a clip of "Danger, Will Robinson! " [13:52] and opens Muon PM [13:53] I should be a UI designer, Id be great [13:54] I wouldn't. [13:54] me either, all buttons would open a terminal [13:55] I don't mind doing things the hard way if I learn extra by it. [13:55] LOL Im being sarcastic, I have no sense of style, fashion or art [13:55] 2 pPs in a pod then [13:56] but I know what I like [13:56] when an inferface feels natural and flowing [13:57] I love being able to hope back and forth between Kubuntu and my phone [13:57] kinda wish there was an app like telegram but more IRC focused [13:58] irc focused ? [13:58] sorry I missed the packaging party that seems to have discussed it, if only in an initial way [13:58] like would post messages as me [13:58] acheron: you didnt miss much :P [13:58] we learned how not to make a key! [13:58] * soee tries Clementine 1.3 [13:59] I know how to mae a gpg key [13:59] *make [13:59] as as far into packaging as we made it [13:59] there was more partying than packaging! [13:59] live desktop boots fine into a vm [14:00] clivejo: prob a result of holding it on a Friday nighy ;) [14:01] but I thinki both have merit [14:01] lol [14:02] hanging out and having fun is important too [14:03] but I do find alcohol and packaging dont mix very well [14:04] hard enough when you're sober! [14:04] linux is about community, so you are right [14:04] we I think we should have parties and packaging events, both separate :) [14:05] packaging is about technicalities so less easy with of few JDs [14:05] *a few [14:05] lol true [14:05] but yeah probably should have seperate events. [14:06] but I do think the party is a good event to keep going and hope it brings new people. ALways fun hanging out in less streessful environment. [14:06] I agree [14:07] learn a lot about people [14:07] Too early for me to oenjoy the alchol side lol, but fun still [14:07] have one with a follow up later for those who want to get serious [14:07] we all have hobbies and lifes outside of Kubuntu! [14:07] wow I butchered that sentence and I am not drunk [14:08] I think we should do it the other way around [14:08] have the packaging first and then the party starts [14:08] yeah [14:08] we have 4 conference rooms on BBB [14:09] we some people wanted to carry on packaging they could [14:09] or move over to the party and chat, make friends [14:09] yes, that sounds great [14:11] I was impressed by that Simon cub [14:11] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/tsimonq2 [14:11] only 14 and already so involved in the community [14:14] yeah thats awesome [14:15] yes akonadi seems broken. [14:15] no clue how or what though [14:15] well obviously mysql [14:15] sgclark: I dont understand, it was working with MySQL 5.7 yesterday [14:15] it was? [14:15] and literally broke over night without any updates [14:16] I just upgraded and it is now broekn [14:16] broken [14:16] yeah I got it working again yesterday [14:18] how can i test if it works or not ? [14:18] I purged version 5.6, installed 5.7 then installed your version of akonadi [14:19] was working fine [14:19] in fact I thought it was a little quicker in displaying my bigger mailboxes [14:24] could libqt5sql5-mysql have something to do with it? [14:24] oh. seems I still have 5.6 mysql [14:27] getting baloo_indexer errors [14:35] well yet another thing way over my head. I have no idea. [14:38] oh wait. mine is working after mysql upgrade. [14:38] blah I need to lay back down. Not feeling so hot from lack of sleep. bbl [14:43] I wish it would display details of the problem [14:48] I keep getting an error - stderr: "mysqld: [ERROR] Could not open required defaults file: /home/clivejo/.local/share/akonadi/mysql.conf\nmysqld: [ERROR] Fatal error in defaults handling. Program aborted!\n" [14:48] the file is there [14:48] Ive removed it, copied an old one and still getting that arror [14:49] : Sound like format changed? Try to remove and restart akonadi? [14:50] I dont understand that /mysql.conf\nmysqld [14:50] \n is a new line? [14:50] : Yeah [14:50] Ive removed it [14:50] and restarted, it just creates a new old and fails [14:52] : Dont know. Can try and ping dvatril in #kontact [14:54] https://paste.kde.org/p38cchqjn [14:57] : Seems likely that appended \nmysqld [14:57] I dont know [14:57] the config file looks fine and its worked in the past [14:57] : Me either! [14:57] have we still got akonadi in the misc ppa? [14:58] : No idea sorry [14:58] doesnt seem to be :( [15:20] clivejo: I think maybe that error message is just putting \n instead of a linebreak, and that \nmysqld isn't really part of the error message [15:21] Can you try setting mode 777 on the mysql.conf file just to see if that has any effect? [15:21] sure, just a sec [15:22] my head is all over the place right now [15:24] ls /etc/mysql/ [15:24] Whops, wrong window [15:29] Skuggen: still failing to open the file [15:33] What did you do to get it working yesterday? [15:34] I purged all mysql and kontact, installed 5.7 and then installed kontact [15:35] it was working last night, I shut it down, booted this morning and its not working [16:27] : /me jumps to tumbleweed === Don is now known as Guest64617 [18:18] mparillo: plasma starts in live and on install in a VM for me. I cannot reproduce on hardware as I only have access to USB which seems to not allow live session. [18:19] clivejo: oh plasma-dsicover was merged from debian bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1570551 [18:19] Launchpad bug 1570551 in plasma-discover (Ubuntu) "FFe: Merge plasma-discover 5.6.2-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] [18:19] guessing debian does not have those patches [18:23] sgclark: in archive is discover 5.5.5. the patch is from 5.6.0 so it needs to be backported to 5.5.5. if discover 5.6.2 would be merged it will already has this patch [18:24] anyway i see new discover with patch is built so i'll test it and report back [18:25] snele: the one from bug report? yeah please do [18:25] I have no idea how we had patches and now dont then... [18:33] ok I think my akonadi problem has to do with this akonadi_baloo_indexer which is not suppose to exist. removing that seems to have made my mail functional again. [18:36] ScottK: we have a debian merge that needs to go in, fixes stuff plasma-discover https://launchpad.net/~ximion/+archive/ubuntu/tests/+packages?field.series_filter=xenial the bug linked above. [18:37] pretty please with cherries on top. [18:40] ximion: hopefully ScottK can help us get that in ^^ [18:43] :-) [18:47] ximion: whats that package in your PPA? [18:47] plasma-discover [18:47] should fix those problems we are having [18:47] is it not fixed? [18:48] I didnt see any updates, so my guess is no? [18:48] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-discover/5.5.5-0ubuntu2 [18:48] ah [18:48] Adam aka infinity applied the patches earier [18:48] oh well we should bring in this newer one anyway [18:49] Ffe was approved awhile ago, just short a MOTU as usual [18:49] * sgclark feels like she is working with her hands tied behind her back [18:49] Phil cherry picked those patches for it to work [18:50] but I dont know where they went to in the mean time [18:50] I've no idea.. [18:50] snele: did you get 5.5.5-0ubuntu2 yet? [18:50] but it seems I know very little [18:51] I didnt think we could put Plasma 5.6 into the archive [18:51] unless it was a patch [18:51] to 5.5.5 source [18:53] is that wrong? [18:56] I give up with akonadi [18:56] Ive no idea why it wont work [18:59] clivejo: apparently we can. I asked the same thing. It does not depend on any other plasma components. [18:59] oh right [19:00] * clivejo makes a mental note [19:00] well i believe the issue snele had is fixed in that ubuntu2 version [19:01] although I didnt see a report back [19:01] ok [19:01] is your akonadi working sgclark? [19:02] yep [19:02] my problem was a rogue baloo_indexer [19:02] installion cruft [19:02] do you use kontact? [19:03] yes [19:07] I cant get it to start :( [19:08] * clivejo rolls back to 5.6 [19:10] hi Blizzz [19:10] BluesKaj even [19:10] hey hey ;) [19:10] sorry ! [19:10] yup, clivejo that's me :-) [19:11] auto complete goes a bit crazy with BluesKaj [19:11] too many blue ppl [19:12] had this nick since 1999 [19:12] on irc [19:12] thats a long time! [19:14] didn't have a pc at home until then ...used them at work etc, but this little town didn't have any internet service worth using until Bell brought in dialup the yr before [19:15] my workplace had it's own network connected to it's head office etc [19:17] and its working again [19:17] with mysql 5.6 [19:17] so whats the difference?!? [19:21] that is weird. mine did not work until I upgraded to 5.7... [19:21] gremlins [19:21] *beeping* *beeper* spammers [19:22] yeah out of control [19:22] bye bye sendgrid.com you are the weakest link [19:27] it would be nice if the plasmiod updater could be configured to launch Muon PM instead [19:32] Skuggen: ping [19:45] clivejo: I'll try to pick some brains at the office tomorrow and see if we can figure out what the issue is (plus I'll have a machine I can actually use to test stuff) [19:47] TY sgclark: I will try to reproduce tomorrow morning in a VM with tomorrows ISO. BTW, nobody in #ubuntu-release had heard about it either. [19:49] Ive gone back to 5.6 and it works fine === Blizzzek is now known as Blizzz [19:57] So for you it only works with 5.6 and for sgclark it only works with 5.7 now? [19:57] o/ snele [19:57] seems that way [19:57] And you both had existing databases? [19:58] I did, quite large ones [19:59] it caches all my emails etc [19:59] * clivejo ties a rope to snele's ankle [20:02] clivejo: works now :) thank you [20:04] clivejo: I don't have an existing setup to test with, but from the errors I guess I should be able to reproduce by first installing with 5.6 and then upgrading [20:10] upgrading? [20:11] I have existing yes, probably not as large as clivejo but largish [20:11] I do not get the conf error he gets eaither [20:11] either [20:12] have you rebooted since Scarlett? [20:12] yeah when I tested the iso [20:12] it was working last night, but when I booted this morning it wasnt [20:14] !info libneon27 xenial [20:14] libneon27 (source: neon27): HTTP and WebDAV client library. In component main, is optional. Version 0.30.1-3build1 (xenial), package size 98 kB, installed size 287 kB [20:15] clivejo: I still suspect some sort of permission issue on the file, since that's the error message you get if mysql can't read it, not just if it's not there [20:15] but it reads it fine in 5.6 [20:16] But I don't know why that would change from 5.6 to 5.7 [20:16] right [20:17] sgclark: You haven't run mysql_upgrade on the akonadi db, right? [20:21] nope [20:21] so I had 5.6 installed, which was working. Then installed mysql-server, rebooted and now its not working [20:24] one thing I notice is that if I purge all mysql and just install 5.7 it doesnt ask for a root password [20:24] is that normal? [20:24] This is after installing 5.6? [20:25] purge all [20:25] I've heard about new permission types (socket, password) [20:25] then install 5.6 it asks for a root password [20:25] The 5.6 install scripts won't always purge the password, I think, so it remembers it [20:25] but 5.7 doesnt [20:25] Yes, they use the same debconf variable [20:26] That's intentional; upgrading generally shouldn't make it forget user preferences. But 5.6 not clearing the root password is a bug [20:27] Bedtime for me. I'll let you know what we figure out [20:27] I have to rm the var/lib/mysql folder to downgrade because of a debian flag [20:31] Yeah, it touches and checks for the debian-[version].flag file to prevent accidental downgrades, though the way it's done is pretty iffy [20:38] Skuggen: not to my knowledge [21:09] does anyone else plasma panel keep moving after a reboot? [21:14] : ? [21:14] every reboot it jumps to my other monitor [21:14] really getting on my nerves now [21:15] I wish I had dual monitors. [21:15] my graphics card port stopped working so I'm down to 1 [21:16] and another reboot! [21:16]