[00:00] <ScottK> It's not really a partisan issue.
[00:01] <mamarley> Yeah, probably not.  It is just embarrassing that the senator from my state was instrumental in its creation.  We already have a reputation of being backwards enough as it is, and now with the encryption bill and HB-2…
[00:01] <mamarley> Luckily, most big tech companies are opposed to both of those things.
[04:35] <snele> yofel: sgclark: clivejo: guys update manager systray icon is broken again after newest update
[04:36] <snele> it was fixed by yofel in staging
[04:36] <snele> but after installing newest updates systray icon is broken again (doesn't refresh/shows updates when there is none)
[04:37] <snele> yofel did backport commit from this bug report which fixed the bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=347602
[04:38] <snele> please backport the fix (again)
 I am going to bed... if he did not commit the fix... I will have to look tomorrow.
 Or is that muon?
 Regardless sleeping.
[04:39] <snele> sgclark: this is the commit https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=discover.git&a=commit&h=749f5be5ebc7b56143e9952d085f396f3bd65905
[04:39] <snele> sgclark: good night sweat dreams
 I am on my phone...
 Thanks. Will look into this tomorrow
[08:20] <soee> :< http://news.softpedia.com/news/opensuse-tumbleweed-users-get-kde-plasma-5-6-2-linux-kernel-4-5-1-mesa-11-2-0-503056.shtml
[08:23] <valorie> well, we just gotta get it all packaged up and ready to backport asap
[08:23] <valorie> once our release is shipshape
[08:43]  * valorie just build base pbuilder
[08:53] <valorie> and now I can't seem to remember the passphrase for key '/home/valorie/.ssh/id_rsa'
[08:53] <valorie> bleah
[08:55] <valorie> going to bed
[09:06] <sick_rimmit> Good Morning
[09:06] <sick_rimmit> Just finished a write up on Kubuntu Party
[09:06] <vip> hi
[09:06] <sick_rimmit> http://kubuntu.org/news/party-2-in-review/
 hiho
[11:02] <doko> sgclark, clivejo, whover: kcachegrind-converters/amd64 unsatisfiable Depends: php5-cli
[11:03] <clivejo> I noticed someone going around changing those too
[11:05] <clivejo> trying to move to PHP7
[11:06] <clivejo> doko: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/k/kcachegrind/kcachegrind_15.12.1-0ubuntu2/changelog
[11:06] <clivejo> Update to PHP7.0 dependencies (LP: #1544352).
[11:07] <doko> clivejo, looks like you guys overwrite other archive changes ... 4:15.12.3-0ubuntu1  wouldn't be the first time
 Lol. We are in debian git. If we are not given the changes, then guess what?
[11:12] <clivejo> The control file clear says our VCS
 Yup.
 We are not the ones to blame here.
[11:13] <clivejo> @sgclark2 after all the updates, kontact is broken for me this morning :(
[11:14] <clivejo> on the plus side, amarok seems to be working
 It is 4am. Not ready to work yet
[11:14] <clivejo> I know, just a heads up
[11:15] <clivejo> why you up at 4am?
 Evidently laptop isn't either. Taking forever to boot
 Couldn't sleep. Too stressed out
[11:15] <clivejo> mysql 5.7 nightmares?
 Seriously considering this to be my last release.
 Haha. Among everything else.
[11:17] <clivejo> I had a similar nightmare
 Like package updates in apparently random repos
[11:17] <clivejo> you and phil resigned :(
 Philip resigned?
[11:17] <clivejo> in my nightmare
 Oh!
[11:18] <clivejo> noooo not for real
 Well I would not vanish. I will fully support my releases
 Just weighing my options. Need to sort out my career.
 Or lack thereof
[11:20] <Mamarok> ScottK: oh, cool, I wasn't aware of that, let me see if that patch went to reviewboard ...
[11:20] <clivejo> yeah, packaging dont put food on the table and pay bills
[11:20] <soee> +1 do what makes you happy and brings some profit :)
[11:20] <clivejo> plus the ay things are right now its stressful!
[11:21] <clivejo> way
[11:21] <clivejo> can afect health as well :/
 Yup
[11:26] <clivejo> anyway, must go make dinner, its family day !
[11:38] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
 Hi bluekaj
[11:41] <BluesKaj> Hi Clifford
[12:02] <sgclark> clivejo: soooo do you think akonadi needed more than just the mysql bump then? you told me to ignore that other stuff : /
[12:28] <sgclark> hmm other stuff was source. so nothing to change there. I have no idea why akonadi would be broken...
[12:31] <sgclark> and it works for me
[12:53] <libi> Hello everyone here!!1
[12:55] <soee> hiho libi
[12:56] <libi> A respectful welcome to everyone here
[12:57] <sgclark> hiyas
[12:57] <libi> Sir,I am new to contribution CAn Anyone here please guide me in starting contribution .I temperarily know only basic c,c++,html,css,javascript
[12:58] <libi> I learnt it from college
[12:58] <libi> Can anyone here please guide me.
[12:59] <sgclark> if your looking to program you probably want to be in #kde-devel asking that.
[13:02] <libi> parden me sir,i couldnt understand what you meant,could you please repeat and explain
[13:04] <libi> i am actually not perfect in english thats y,so i request to forgive me if i have grammar mistake
[13:05] <sgclark> I would consider myself more of a ma'am. What I am trying to say is we do not develop c,c++ etc here specifically. We package up programs to ships as a whole of Kubuntu.
[13:06] <sgclark> If you want to learn program developement you probably want to be in #kde-devel and ask questions there. Most of us are not necessarily programmers and will not be much help.
[13:06] <sgclark> if you want to learn packaging, well hang out in here. Right now is not a good time as we are on the cusp of a release.
[13:08] <mparillo> !testers: I burned today's daily iso, and it did not start plasma, but dropped me into a login prompt. The Beta2 ISO did start a live Plasma session. Can any testers duplicat it?
[13:08] <mparillo> !testers
[13:08] <mparillo> ^^^
[13:09] <BluesKaj> hey mparillo, what's up?
[13:09] <libi> ok thanks sir i understand thanks a lot sir,sgclark
[13:09] <mparillo> BluesKaj: Good morning. I burned today's daily iso, and it did not start plasma, but dropped me into a login prompt. The Beta2 ISO did start a live Plasma session.
[13:11] <sgclark> libi: just an FYI sir implies male gender. Not all of us are male, in fact I am not. So perhaps don't use that. Cheers
[13:11] <soee> i think someone reported it on #kubuntu or some social channel also
[13:12] <BluesKaj> mparillo, I've had the login issue for about 4 days now, and I have the staging-plasma and landing ppas in my sources.list
[13:12] <libi> ok sorry ,i wont use it here after
[13:12] <sgclark> its ok, just information :)
[13:13] <libi> hmmm,I understand respect it that you told it
[13:13] <libi> :)
[13:13] <BluesKaj> I really don't feel like reinstalling again, mparillo
[13:15] <mparillo> thanks soee and BluesKaj, but this was on the ISO, not on an install. So, I basically have been running zsync, and today I ran dd for the first time since Beta2, and found it would not start Plasma for me.
[13:15] <soee> mparillo: some VM or booting from USB/CD ?
[13:18] <mparillo> Booting from a USB
[13:18] <mparillo> I plan to test from a VM tomorrow morning.
[13:19] <sgclark> making usb
[13:19] <sgclark> rebooting to test brb
[13:21] <soee> mparillo: from my experiane booting any USB failed for me almost every time
[13:21] <soee> and i'm not talkign about sddm but booting system :)
[13:22] <mparillo> soee: I used to like the safety of unetbootin, but for about a year now, it did not boot at all, so I went to dd. However, this ISO did boot. I can get a login prompt and type kubuntu <enter> <enter> and sudo poweroff just fine. It is just that plasma did not load.
[13:23] <soee> yeah it is sad that system cant be simply booted from SUB even if the usb is done through Startaup Disc creator
 I did not get option for live desktop. Went straight to installer. Abort!
 Laptops evidently don't come with dvd anymore...
[13:29] <soee> they don't ? :D
[13:29] <soee> i must be on some old crappy one than :D
 Well mine doesn't :(
 Will have to test on vm. Not sure if that is helpful
[13:31] <soee> mparillo: you did install system and then have been dropped to cli ?
[13:36] <mparillo> I did not install. Lately on Xenial, booting the ISO gives a live plasma session instead of the option of try / install.
[13:37] <sgclark> haha I got the complete opposite
[13:38] <mparillo> I actually prefer the live plasma session with the install program in a desktop folder on the default desktop.
[13:39] <mparillo> Certainly getting dropped straight into an installer is a bigger bug than the reverse.
[13:40] <sgclark> sadly I know absolutely nothing of ubiquity
[13:40] <sgclark> so I am likely no help if it is broken. or installation issues at all.
[13:41] <mparillo> Thanks for trying anyway. Maybe the base Ubuntu project changed something recently.
[13:41] <sgclark> I have learned a valuable lesson. I know so much less than I thought I did when it comes to release
[13:42] <clivejo> I learned I know nothing about release!
[13:42] <sgclark> lol
[13:42] <mparillo> The first step towards wisdom is acknowledging that you do not know everything.
[13:42] <mparillo> Maybe I should write fortunes for fortune cookies
[13:43] <clivejo> the release fairies do it
[13:44] <mparillo> I will join #ubuntu-release and see if they know anything
[13:45] <acheron> clivejo: installed muon 5.6.0-0ubuntu1 from main repo but is still showing as 5.5 in "about" http://i.imgur.com/sqWA8ea.png
[13:46] <clivejo> acheron: that would need to be reported upstream
[13:47] <clivejo> in fact all those details need corected
[13:47] <clivejo> with Carlo, Ovidiu and Rick added in as maintainers
[13:48] <acheron> figured so, but wasn't sure who has responsibility now.
[13:48] <clivejo> do you have Carlo's email?
[13:48] <acheron> maybe
[13:49] <clivejo> hopefully if we can provide him with decent feedback, he will see people are using it and think its worth the effort in maintaining
[13:50] <clivejo> Id also like to see a link to it in Discover
[13:50] <clivejo> like in Advanced Tools or something
[13:51] <acheron> What? as in "if you'd like to use a proper package manager, please click this link?"
[13:51] <clivejo> LOL yeah
[13:51] <acheron> lol, yes perhaps
[13:51] <clivejo> big red button :)
[13:52] <soee> mparillo: there was known bug 
[13:52] <clivejo> clicking it plays a clip of "Danger, Will Robinson! "
[13:52] <clivejo> and opens Muon PM
[13:53] <clivejo> I should be a UI designer, Id be great
[13:54] <acheron> I wouldn't. 
[13:54] <sgclark> me either, all buttons would open a terminal
[13:55] <acheron> I don't mind doing things the hard way if I learn extra by it.
[13:55] <clivejo> LOL Im being sarcastic, I have no sense of style, fashion or art
[13:55] <acheron> 2 pPs in a pod then
[13:56] <clivejo> but I know what I like
[13:56] <clivejo> when an inferface feels natural and flowing
[13:57] <clivejo> I love being able to hope back and forth between Kubuntu and my phone
[13:57] <clivejo> kinda wish there was an app like telegram but more IRC focused
[13:58] <soee> irc focused ?
[13:58] <acheron> sorry I missed the packaging party that seems to have discussed it, if only in an initial way
[13:58] <clivejo> like would post messages as me
[13:58] <clivejo> acheron: you didnt miss much :P
[13:58] <clivejo> we learned how not to make a key!
[13:58]  * soee tries Clementine 1.3
[13:59] <acheron> I know how to mae a gpg key
[13:59] <acheron> *make
[13:59] <clivejo> as as far into packaging as we made it
[13:59] <clivejo> there was more partying than packaging!
[13:59] <sgclark> live desktop boots fine into a vm
[14:00] <acheron> clivejo: prob a result of holding it on a Friday nighy ;)
[14:01] <clivejo> but I thinki both have merit
[14:01] <acheron> lol
[14:02] <clivejo> hanging out and having fun is important too
[14:03] <clivejo> but I do find alcohol and packaging dont mix very well
[14:04] <clivejo> hard enough when you're sober!
[14:04] <acheron> linux is about community, so you are right
[14:04] <clivejo> we I think we should have parties and packaging events, both separate :)
[14:05] <acheron> packaging is about technicalities so less easy with of few JDs
[14:05] <acheron> *a few
[14:05] <sgclark> lol true
[14:05] <sgclark> but yeah probably should have seperate events.
[14:06] <sgclark> but I do think the party is a good event to keep going and hope it brings new people. ALways fun hanging out in less streessful environment.
[14:06] <clivejo> I agree
[14:07] <clivejo> learn a lot about people
[14:07] <sgclark> Too early for me to oenjoy the alchol side lol, but fun still
[14:07] <acheron> have one with a follow up later for those who want to get serious
[14:07] <clivejo> we all have hobbies and lifes outside of Kubuntu!
[14:07] <sgclark> wow I butchered that sentence and I am not drunk
[14:08] <clivejo> I think we should do it the other way around
[14:08] <clivejo> have the packaging first and then the party starts
[14:08] <sgclark> yeah
[14:08] <clivejo> we have 4 conference rooms on BBB
[14:09] <clivejo> we some people wanted to carry on packaging they could
[14:09] <clivejo> or move over to the party and chat, make friends
[14:09] <sgclark> yes, that sounds great
[14:11] <clivejo> I was impressed by that Simon cub
[14:11] <clivejo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/tsimonq2
[14:11] <clivejo> only 14 and already so involved in the community
[14:14] <sgclark> yeah thats awesome
[14:15] <sgclark> yes akonadi seems broken.
[14:15] <sgclark> no clue how or what though
[14:15] <sgclark> well obviously mysql
[14:15] <clivejo> sgclark: I dont understand, it was working with MySQL 5.7 yesterday
[14:15] <sgclark> it was?
[14:15] <clivejo> and literally broke over night without any updates
[14:16] <sgclark> I just upgraded and it is now broekn
[14:16] <sgclark> broken
[14:16] <clivejo> yeah I got it working again yesterday
[14:18] <soee> how can i test if it works or not ?
[14:18] <clivejo> I purged version 5.6, installed 5.7 then installed your version of akonadi
[14:19] <clivejo> was working fine
[14:19] <clivejo> in fact I thought it was a little quicker in displaying my bigger mailboxes
[14:24] <clivejo> could libqt5sql5-mysql have something to do with it?
[14:24] <sgclark> oh. seems I still have 5.6 mysql
[14:27] <sgclark> getting baloo_indexer errors
[14:35] <sgclark> well yet another thing way over my head. I have no idea.
[14:38] <sgclark> oh wait. mine is working after mysql upgrade.
[14:38] <sgclark> blah I need to lay back down. Not feeling so hot from lack of sleep. bbl
[14:43] <clivejo> I wish it would display details of the problem
[14:48] <clivejo> I keep getting an error - stderr: "mysqld: [ERROR] Could not open required defaults file: /home/clivejo/.local/share/akonadi/mysql.conf\nmysqld: [ERROR] Fatal error in defaults handling. Program aborted!\n" 
[14:48] <clivejo> the file is there
[14:48] <clivejo> Ive removed it, copied an old one and still getting that arror
 Sound like format changed? Try to remove and restart akonadi?
[14:50] <clivejo> I dont understand that /mysql.conf\nmysqld
[14:50] <clivejo> \n is a new line?
 Yeah
[14:50] <clivejo> Ive removed it
[14:50] <clivejo> and restarted, it just creates a new old and fails
 Dont know. Can try and ping dvatril in #kontact
[14:54] <clivejo> https://paste.kde.org/p38cchqjn
 Seems likely that appended \nmysqld
[14:57] <clivejo> I dont know
[14:57] <clivejo> the config file looks fine and its worked in the past
 Me either!
[14:57] <clivejo> have we still got akonadi in the misc ppa?
 No idea sorry
[14:58] <clivejo> doesnt seem to be :(
[15:20] <Skuggen> clivejo: I think maybe that error message is just putting \n instead of a linebreak, and that \nmysqld isn't really part of the error message
[15:21] <Skuggen> Can you try setting mode 777 on the mysql.conf file just to see if that has any effect?
[15:21] <clivejo> sure, just a sec
[15:22] <clivejo> my head is all over the place right now
[15:24] <Skuggen> ls /etc/mysql/
[15:24] <Skuggen> Whops, wrong window
[15:29] <clivejo> Skuggen: still failing to open the file
[15:33] <Skuggen> What did you do to get it working yesterday?
[15:34] <clivejo> I purged all mysql and kontact, installed 5.7 and then installed kontact
[15:35] <clivejo> it was working last night, I shut it down, booted this morning and its not working
 /me jumps to tumbleweed
[18:18] <sgclark> mparillo: plasma starts in live and on install in a VM for me. I cannot reproduce on hardware as I only have access to USB which seems to not allow live session.
[18:19] <sgclark> clivejo: oh plasma-dsicover was merged from debian bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1570551
[18:19] <sgclark> guessing debian does not have those patches
[18:23] <snele> sgclark: in archive is discover 5.5.5. the patch is from 5.6.0 so it needs to be backported to 5.5.5. if discover 5.6.2 would be merged it will already has this patch
[18:24] <snele> anyway i see new discover with patch is built so i'll test it and report back
[18:25] <sgclark> snele: the one from bug report? yeah please do
[18:25] <sgclark> I have no idea how we had patches and now dont then...
[18:33] <sgclark> ok I think my akonadi problem has to do with this akonadi_baloo_indexer which is not suppose to exist. removing that seems to have made my mail functional again.
[18:36] <sgclark> ScottK: we have a debian merge that needs to go in, fixes stuff plasma-discover https://launchpad.net/~ximion/+archive/ubuntu/tests/+packages?field.series_filter=xenial the bug linked above.
[18:37] <sgclark> pretty please with cherries on top.
[18:40] <sgclark> ximion: hopefully ScottK can help us get that in ^^
[18:43] <ximion> :-)
[18:47] <clivejo> ximion: whats that package in your PPA?
[18:47] <sgclark> plasma-discover
[18:47] <sgclark> should fix those problems we are having
[18:47] <clivejo> is it not fixed?
[18:48] <sgclark> I didnt see any updates, so my guess is no?
[18:48] <clivejo> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-discover/5.5.5-0ubuntu2
[18:48] <sgclark> ah
[18:48] <clivejo> Adam aka infinity applied the patches earier
[18:48] <sgclark> oh well we should bring in this newer one anyway
[18:49] <sgclark> Ffe was approved awhile ago, just short a MOTU as usual
[18:49]  * sgclark feels like she is working with her hands tied behind her back
[18:49] <clivejo> Phil cherry picked those patches for it to work
[18:50] <clivejo> but I dont know where they went to in the mean time
[18:50] <sgclark> I've no idea..
[18:50] <clivejo> snele: did you get 5.5.5-0ubuntu2 yet?
[18:50] <sgclark> but it seems I know very little
[18:51] <clivejo> I didnt think we could put Plasma 5.6 into the archive
[18:51] <clivejo> unless it was a patch
[18:51] <clivejo> to 5.5.5 source
[18:53] <clivejo> is that wrong?
[18:56] <clivejo> I give up with akonadi
[18:56] <clivejo> Ive no idea why it wont work
[18:59] <sgclark> clivejo: apparently we can. I asked the same thing. It does not depend on any other plasma components.
[18:59] <clivejo> oh right
[19:00]  * clivejo makes a mental note
[19:00] <clivejo> well i believe the issue snele had is fixed in that ubuntu2 version
[19:01] <clivejo> although I didnt see a report back 
[19:01] <sgclark> ok
[19:01] <clivejo> is your akonadi working sgclark?
[19:02] <sgclark> yep
[19:02] <sgclark> my problem was a rogue baloo_indexer
[19:02] <sgclark> installion cruft
[19:02] <clivejo> do you use kontact?
[19:03] <sgclark> yes
[19:07] <clivejo> I cant get it to start :(
[19:08]  * clivejo rolls back to 5.6
[19:10] <clivejo> hi Blizzz
[19:10] <clivejo> BluesKaj even
[19:10] <Blizzz> hey hey ;)
[19:10] <clivejo> sorry !
[19:10] <BluesKaj> yup, clivejo that's me :-)
[19:11] <clivejo> auto complete goes a bit crazy with BluesKaj
[19:11] <BluesKaj> too many blue ppl
[19:12] <BluesKaj> had this nick since 1999
[19:12] <BluesKaj> on irc
[19:12] <clivejo> thats a long time!
[19:14] <BluesKaj> didn't have a pc at home until then ...used them at work etc, but this little town didn't have any internet service worth using until Bell brought in dialup the yr before 
[19:15] <BluesKaj> my workplace had it's own network connected to it's head office etc
[19:17] <clivejo> and its working again
[19:17] <clivejo> with mysql 5.6
[19:17] <clivejo> so whats the difference?!?
[19:21] <sgclark> that is weird. mine did not work until I upgraded to 5.7...
[19:21] <sgclark> gremlins
[19:21] <clivejo> *beeping* *beeper* spammers
[19:22] <sgclark> yeah out of control
[19:22] <clivejo> bye bye sendgrid.com you are the weakest link
[19:27] <clivejo> it would be nice if the plasmiod updater could be configured to launch Muon PM instead
[19:32] <clivejo> Skuggen: ping
[19:45] <Skuggen> clivejo: I'll try to pick some brains at the office tomorrow and see if we can figure out what the issue is (plus I'll have a machine I can actually use to test stuff)
[19:47] <mparillo> TY sgclark: I will try to reproduce tomorrow morning in a VM with tomorrows ISO. BTW, nobody in #ubuntu-release had heard about it either.
[19:49] <clivejo> Ive gone back to 5.6 and it works fine
[19:57] <Skuggen> So for you it only works with 5.6 and for sgclark it only works with 5.7 now?
[19:57] <clivejo> o/ snele
[19:57] <clivejo> seems that way
[19:57] <Skuggen> And you both had existing databases?
[19:58] <clivejo> I did, quite large ones
[19:59] <clivejo> it caches all my emails etc
[19:59]  * clivejo ties a rope to snele's ankle
[20:02] <snele> clivejo: works now :) thank you
[20:04] <Skuggen> clivejo: I don't have an existing setup to test with, but from the errors I guess I should be able to reproduce by first installing with 5.6 and then upgrading
[20:10] <clivejo> upgrading?
[20:11] <sgclark> I have existing yes, probably not as large as clivejo but largish
[20:11] <sgclark> I do not get the conf error he gets eaither
[20:11] <sgclark> either
[20:12] <clivejo> have you rebooted since Scarlett?
[20:12] <sgclark> yeah when I tested the iso
[20:12] <clivejo> it was working last night, but when I booted this morning it wasnt
[20:14] <clivejo> !info libneon27 xenial
[20:15] <Skuggen> clivejo: I still suspect some sort of permission issue on the file, since that's the error message you get if mysql can't read it, not just if it's not there
[20:15] <clivejo> but it reads it fine in 5.6
[20:16] <Skuggen> But I don't know why that would change from 5.6 to 5.7
[20:16] <Skuggen> right
[20:17] <Skuggen> sgclark: You haven't run mysql_upgrade on the akonadi db, right?
[20:21] <clivejo> nope
[20:21] <clivejo> so I had 5.6 installed, which was working.  Then installed mysql-server, rebooted and now its not working
[20:24] <clivejo> one thing I notice is that if I purge all mysql and just install 5.7 it doesnt ask for a root password
[20:24] <clivejo> is that normal?
[20:24] <Skuggen> This is after installing 5.6?
[20:25] <clivejo> purge all
[20:25] <vip> I've heard about new permission types (socket, password)
[20:25] <clivejo> then install 5.6 it asks for a root password
[20:25] <Skuggen> The 5.6 install scripts won't always purge the password, I think, so it remembers it
[20:25] <clivejo> but 5.7 doesnt
[20:25] <Skuggen> Yes, they use the same debconf variable
[20:26] <Skuggen> That's intentional; upgrading generally shouldn't make it forget user preferences. But 5.6 not clearing the root password is a bug
[20:27] <Skuggen> Bedtime for me. I'll let you know what we figure out
[20:27] <clivejo> I have to rm the var/lib/mysql folder to downgrade because of a debian flag
[20:31] <Skuggen> Yeah, it touches and checks for the debian-[version].flag file to prevent accidental downgrades, though the way it's done is pretty iffy
[20:38] <sgclark> Skuggen: not to my knowledge
[21:09] <clivejo> does anyone else plasma panel keep moving after a reboot?
 ?
[21:14] <clivejo> every reboot it jumps to my other monitor
[21:14] <clivejo> really getting on my nerves now
[21:15] <mparillo> I wish I had dual monitors.
[21:15] <ahoneybun> my graphics card port stopped working so I'm down to 1 
[21:16] <clivejo> and another reboot!
[21:16] <clivejo> feels like Im back on windows today
 @Cliff i seen this on my dual monitor setup at work.
[22:16] <mparillo> !testers
[22:16] <mparillo> First Release Candidates are up: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/359/builds
 I can test tomorrow :)
[22:17] <clivejo> @marcinsagol does it do it every reboot?
 I don't think so. Can't remember now. It happens sometimes after some updates.
 I suggest to test it on a new user account
 This way you can verify if some configuration is misbehaving
 I have 2 screens at work. First one has panel on left edge and second screen on its right edge.
 And sometimes the panel from second screen is moved to first screen right edge.
 But as I said it happens after some updates I think.
[22:45] <mamarley> clivejo: I have seen the panel-moving issue on my home computer as well.  I haven't seen it on my work computer though.
[22:45] <clivejo> it 'jumps' on mine
[22:46] <clivejo> it starts to load in the right place then jumps to the second monitor
[22:46] <mamarley> Sometimes after I boot the panel on the right monitor flashes several times, and sometimes it ends up moving to the left monitor.
[22:46] <mamarley> (The right monitor is where it should be; I have one panel on each.)
[22:47] <clivejo> I have one panel on my bottom screen
[22:47] <clivejo> but it jumps to the top screen on reboot and first boot
[22:47] <mamarley> Anyway, it is somewhat annoying, but not a showstopper by any means.  I can move it back.
[22:48] <mamarley> It doesn't always move for me, only sometimes.
[23:42] <mparillo> Whoo-Hoo. Today's release candidate booted, I got the try / install, and I am re-booting.
[23:46] <mamarley> Cool, that's great.
[23:49] <mparillo> Still no default applications in favorites, but otherwise great news. Thanks to so many, but especially to sgclark, yofel
[23:50] <sgclark> great news
[23:50]  * sgclark wonders where favorites is defined
[23:57] <snele> classic menu widget has favorites
[23:57] <snele> but it probably has different config file
[23:57] <sgclark> I mean in kubuntu land so defaults are set