[05:01] <Kilos> morning everyone
[05:02] <Kilos> Maaz tell langjan install any windows on the first 36g, lets see if that works, then we partition the rest for ubuntu
[05:02] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay, I'll tell Langjan on freenode
[05:46] <magespawn> good morning
[05:46] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[05:46] <Kilos> hi Wolfeyes 
[05:53] <magespawn> well that chased him away
[05:53] <Kilos> lol
[06:00] <Kilos> most likely woke him, so he did like with an alarm off button on a clock
[06:00] <Kilos> hit it till it shuts up
[06:33] <zipper> Kilos: Hey
[06:33] <zipper> How'd it go?
[06:33] <Kilos> hi zipper
[06:33] <Kilos> i wanted to talk to you first
[07:09] <mazal> Mornings
[07:32] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[07:33] <mazal> More oom , gaanit daar ?
[07:33] <Kilos> ok dankie en jy
[07:33] <mazal> goed goed , niks probleme
[07:38] <Kilos> ek net moeg
[07:38] <Kilos> min geslaap
[07:38] <Kilos> weet nie hoekom nie
[07:44] <mazal> hdd nagmerries :P
[09:20] <zipper> Hello Kilos-- 
[09:20] <zipper> Sorry I have so many things I'm multitasking.
[09:21] <jan__> Hello Kilos-- and guys
[09:21] <zipper> Yes just do the deed, stop worrying.
[09:21] <Kilos--> hi jan__ 
[09:22] <jan__> Lekker geslaap?
[09:22] <Kilos--> sleg eintlik
[09:22] <zipper> I explained everything to the best of my ability even showing the log you linked me to.
[09:22] <zipper> Kilos--: :)
[09:22] <jan__> ai! jammer, hoekom?
[09:23] <Kilos--> cool ty zipper 
[09:24] <zipper> Kilos--: I actually expected you to do it yesterday.
[09:24] <zipper> But it's all good as long as you're on schedule I assume.
[09:24] <Kilos--> i was busy trying to help the old uncle
[09:25] <jan__> Ai, jammer!
[09:25] <Kilos--> yes i only got contact from michael just now
[09:25] <Kilos--> wanted to hear how he wanted to do it as well
[09:26] <jan__> Why does this thing keep logging me in as jan__?
[09:26] <Kilos--> jan__ what have you achieved
[09:26] <zipper> Kilos--: It's cool
[09:26] <Kilos-->   /nick Langjan
[09:26] <zipper> Oh I see
[09:26] <jan__> setting up win xp on 56Gb 
[09:26] <jan__> thks
[09:26] <Kilos--> is it working
[09:27] <Langjan> Formatting at the moment
[09:27] <Kilos--> lets hope
[09:27] <Kilos--> i forgot all about that way
[09:27] <Langjan> It forgot the bios at last, had to re-setup boot order
[09:28] <Kilos--> i said often here i found something win is useful for
[09:28] <Langjan> oh, you now got a better way?
[09:28] <Langjan> useful for plugging holes 
[09:28] <Kilos--> yes use win to use up bad disk space
[09:28] <Langjan> Good idea
[09:28] <Kilos--> linux much more sensitive to drive probs
[09:30] <Kilos--> maybe we should even add a boot partiton as well then linux is all seperate 
[09:31] <Langjan> Eks in jou hande, slawedrywer
[09:32] <Kilos--> lol
[09:32] <Langjan> Doing slow format, its on 81% 
[09:32] <Kilos--> yeah ms doesnt formay fas like linux
[09:32] <Kilos--> fast
[09:33] <Langjan> Blitsboks lost to Fiji in great semifinal
[09:33] <Langjan> were two options, I chose slow one
[09:33] <Kilos--> ok
[09:33] <Langjan> 91%
[09:43] <Langjan> Win setup completion eta 12:15
[09:44] <Kilos--> yay
[09:44] <Langjan> those are microsoft minutes...
[09:44] <Langjan> lmga
[09:45] <Kilos--> lol
[09:46] <zipper> Have you guys used letsencrypt?
[09:46] <Kilos--> nope
[09:46] <zipper> SMH I have soooo much to do :(
[09:47] <zipper> I have so much code to write, blog posts to write, books and docs to read.
[09:47] <zipper> The perils of getting into a new ecosystem
[09:48] <Kilos--> ai!
[09:48] <zipper> Kilos--: ai?
[09:48] <Kilos--> whew
[09:48] <Kilos--> so much to do
[10:02] <Kilos--> what sound do you guys make for that zipper
[10:11] <zipper> LOL I don't even know what sound you just made there
[10:11] <zipper> The closest thing I can think of is "aye"
[10:11] <Kilos--> sounds like eye just sharper
[10:12] <Kilos--> can be used when shocked or surprized or frustrated
[10:12] <Kilos--> Langjan you winning?
[10:13] <zipper> Kilos--: hahaha yes there is that sound.
[10:13] <Kilos--> 14 mins long gone
[10:13] <Kilos--> lol
[10:13] <zipper> Kilos--: :D
[10:13] <zipper> I just didn't expect it to come from you :)
[10:13] <Kilos--> :D
[10:13] <Kilos--> hahaha why not
[10:13] <zipper> Kilos--: I thought it was a Kenyan thing or a Swahili thing.
[10:13] <Langjan> 3 minutes
[10:14] <Langjan> 1
[10:14] <Kilos--> maybe its an all africa thing
[10:15] <zipper> Maybe
[10:15] <Kilos--> Langjan just reboot it twice after it has done so we can see if the boot sector is happt
[10:15] <Kilos--> happy
[10:16] <Kilos--> pity you made it so large though
[10:17] <Langjan> OK Win xp up and running
[10:17] <Kilos--> reboot twice more
[10:17] <Kilos--> or once
[10:17] <Kilos--> and one shutdown and then boot
[10:18] <Langjan> Win booting fine
[10:18] <Kilos--> ok now boot from buntu cd
[10:19] <Kilos--> and go the try option
[10:20] <Langjan> Is try the way to normally go or just because of the hiccups?
[10:20] <Kilos--> try lets you make your own partitions
[10:20] <Kilos--> with gparted
[10:21] <Langjan> ok
[10:26] <Kilos--> you also use try when you want to repair things in a drive that isnt booting properly
[10:27] <Kilos--> i havent had that for a while though
[10:29] <Langjan> Ok ubuntu running and gparted open
[10:31] <Langjan> shows win partition and 93GB sda2 and 7 Gb unallocated and two small ones, 1000mb each, sda 3 and linux swap
[10:32] <Langjan> you there Kilos-- ?
[10:33] <Kilos--> yessir
[10:35] <Langjan> ok what do you want to do with the partitions?
[10:35] <Kilos--> you see the htfs one
[10:35] <Kilos--> thats win
[10:35] <Kilos--> below must be 100g
[10:35] <Langjan> no, only ntfs
[10:36] <Kilos--> unallocated
[10:36] <Kilos--> ya ntfs
[10:36] <Kilos--> sorry
[10:36] <Langjan> the ntfs is where win xp is
[10:36] <Kilos--> yes
[10:36] <Kilos--> so have you got ovder 100g spare?
[10:37] <Langjan> yes
[10:37] <Kilos--> how much
[10:37] <Kilos--> tick on it then tick partitions and tick new
[10:38] <Langjan> 93 gb sda2, 7 gb unallocated, 1gb sda3 extended and 1gb linux swap
[10:38] <Langjan> tick on which it?
[10:38] <Kilos--> delete them lets get a totsl
[10:39] <Kilos--> dont delete ntfs
[10:40] <Langjan> ok now I have 93 GB unallocated and the two small ones
[10:40] <Kilos--> delete swap as well
[10:40] <Kilos--> too small
[10:40] <Langjan> it wont
[10:40] <Kilos--> sigh ok then
[10:41] <Langjan> just a sec, did not apply
[10:42] <Langjan> ok still the same, 93gb unallocated the small ones wiont delete
[10:42] <Kilos--> ok we use the 93
[10:42] <Langjan> the 7gb has disappeared to somewhere
[10:42] <Kilos--> lol
[10:43] <Kilos--> ok tick the 93g
[10:43] <Kilos--> then tick partition then new
[10:43] <Langjan> ok its 95gb
[10:44] <Langjan> max
[10:44] <Kilos--> ok now use 35g and mountpoint /
[10:44] <Kilos--> and tick the format block
[10:44] <Kilos--> then apply
[10:45] <Langjan> 35g and mountpoint? lost me
[10:46] <Kilos--> when you tick new it opens a window
[10:46] <Kilos--> with size available and moint point near the bottom
[10:47] <Kilos--> in mount point is a small triangle on the right
[10:47] <Kilos--> tick it and first thing you see is /
[10:47] <Kilos--> thats your root partition
[10:48] <Langjan> nothing like that here
[10:48] <Kilos--> huh
[10:48] <Kilos--> did you tick the unallocated
[10:49] <Langjan> Yes, thats what you said. why cant I just install ubuntu to dual boot?
[10:49] <Kilos--> because it will install in the 56g
[10:49] <Langjan> Wont it ask to install alongside? Liek it normally does?
[10:49] <Kilos--> and hopefully thats where the bad parts are only
[10:50] <Kilos--> nope
[10:50] <Kilos--> it will go in the 56
[10:50] <Kilos--> you can try it
[10:50] <Langjan> Sorry gotta go, otherwise cold food and hot wife
[10:50] <Kilos--> but im sure it will want to resize the 56g
[10:50] <Kilos--> ok enjoy
[10:50] <Kilos--> i eat soon too
[10:51] <Langjan> ok lekker eet
[10:51] <Langjan> check you later
[10:51] <Kilos--> ok
[10:51] <Kilos--> dankie
[10:57] <Kilos--> my way it is still alongside but using the freespace
[10:57] <Kilos--> if you want to do the conventional alongside you install xp on the whole drive then let ubuntu install alongside
[10:58] <Kilos--> and it will resize
[11:06] <Kilos--> hi Cryterion 
[11:06] <Kilos--> oh Langjan it will still dual boot this way
[11:08] <Cryterion> hi
[11:20] <mazal> mmmmmm now that was a lekker lunch. Mac & cheese , lamb chops and boerewors
[12:07] <Langjan> You there Kilos-- ?
[12:07] <Kilos--> yessir
[12:07] <Kilos--> you eat lots hey
[12:08] <Kilos--> have you read up what i said
[12:08] <Langjan> We had a guest. 
[12:08] <Kilos--> im teasing man
[12:09] <Langjan> Yes. Ok thks, I'm in installation, its wanting to create a new partition on the 100gb free space, which option?
[12:09] <Langjan> for mount point
[12:09] <Kilos--> oh
[12:09] <Kilos-->   /
[12:10] <Kilos--> thats for the 35g right
[12:10] <Langjan> ok is that it? no for 100gb
[12:10] <Kilos--> nee man
[12:10] <Langjan> what is the 35 gb for?
[12:10] <Kilos--> you need a root partition and a /home partition
[12:10] <Kilos--> root
[12:11] <Langjan> why? never had that
[12:11] <Kilos--> yes because you let the os decide what will be what size
[12:11] <Kilos--> here we decide
[12:11] <Langjan> but remember you have told me 
[12:11] <Kilos--> like the 1g ram is too small
[12:12] <Kilos--> ok tell
[12:12] <Langjan> ok so I select / 
[12:12] <Langjan> and 35 gb
[12:12] <Kilos--> yes
[12:12] <Kilos--> and ext4 i think
[12:12] <Langjan> and ext 4?
[12:13] <Kilos--> might already be there
[12:13] <Kilos--> and tick the format little block
[12:13] <Kilos--> then apply
[12:14] <Kilos--> at the end of the install it will run update-grub and that will lett you dual boot with xp
[12:15] <Langjan> itsnot formatting, did format in try phase, is that why?  
[12:15] <Kilos--> it wont format yet
[12:15] <Langjan> Im not in try phase, its the installation
[12:15] <Kilos--> it will format it when you go on if that format block is ticked
[12:16] <Kilos--> oh
[12:16] <Langjan> ok so what next
[12:16] <Kilos--> ok
[12:16] <Kilos--> tick free space
[12:16] <Kilos--> unallocated area
[12:16] <Kilos--> should be 60g
[12:16] <Langjan> yes 66
[12:17] <Langjan> now primary or logical?
[12:17] <Kilos--> ok tick pertition then new
[12:17] <Kilos--> then mount point /home
[12:17] <Langjan> yes now primary or logical
[12:17] <Kilos--> let it decide 
[12:18] <Langjan> and location beginning or end?
[12:18] <Kilos--> it will have the default choice already there
[12:18] <Kilos--> logical i think it shows
[12:18] <Kilos--> end
[12:18] <Kilos--> win is in the beginning
[12:18] <Langjan> yes shows logical 
[12:18] <Kilos--> go with it
[12:19] <Langjan> ok it showed beginning but also did recognise windows
[12:19] <Kilos--> you see mountpoint /home
[12:19] <Langjan> yes
[12:19] <Kilos--> and ext4
[12:19] <Langjan> yes
[12:19] <Kilos--> good then apply
[12:19] <Kilos--> then install
[12:19] <Langjan> ext 4 journalling file system
[12:19] <Kilos--> yes
[12:20] <Kilos--> ext4 is less liely to be damaged by power cuts than any other
[12:20] <Kilos--> likely
[12:20] <Kilos--> hi bushtech 
[12:20] <bushtech> dag kilos
[12:20] <Kilos--> my internet is better again
[12:21] <Langjan> it wants me to consider swap area
[12:21] <Kilos--> doesnt it see that swap
[12:21] <Langjan> I deleted it
[12:21] <Kilos--> you said it wouldnt
[12:21] <Kilos--> lol
[12:21] <bushtech> Kilos--: mtn very bad here today mtr shows one conn as 98% loss
[12:21] <Kilos--> ok
[12:22] <Kilos--> delete /home again
[12:22] <Langjan> it was the original 1gb that you wanted me to fdelete
[12:22] <Kilos--> ok we make swap no
[12:22] <Langjan> ok done
[12:22] <Kilos--> now
[12:22] <Langjan>  now?
[12:22] <Kilos--> tick the unallocated
[12:22] <Kilos--> then partition
[12:22] <Langjan> free space
[12:22] <Langjan>  66 gb
[12:23] <Kilos--> then make size 3g
[12:23] <Kilos--> then
[12:23] <Kilos--> in the block a bov mountpoint i think you can choose swap area
[12:24] <Kilos--> if its not there its in mountpoint
[12:24] <Kilos--> im running on memory
[12:24] <Kilos--> thats bad bushtech 
[12:24] <Langjan> swap area created
[12:24] <Kilos--> have you tried your afrihost
[12:25] <Kilos--> ok then tick unalocated again
[12:25] <Langjan> me?
[12:25] <Langjan> long on afrihost
[12:25] <Kilos--> then mountpoint /home
[12:25] <Kilos--> nee man bushtech met sy mtn 
[12:25] <Kilos--> oh my
[12:26] <Kilos--> afrihost is on mtn
[12:26] <bushtech> this is on afrihost
[12:26] <bushtech> yep
[12:26] <Langjan> afrihost uses mtn
[12:26] <Kilos--> fone them and complain
[12:26] <Kilos--> i forgot man
[12:26] <Langjan> ok now install?
[12:26] <Kilos--> get mixed up with cellc and voda 
[12:26] <bushtech> I'd rather slit my wrists than try and fone from here
[12:27] <Kilos--> yes Langjan hit install
[12:27] <Kilos--> and run
[12:27] <Langjan> device for boot loader installation is the whole hdd
[12:27] <Kilos--> might explode
[12:27] <Kilos--> yes
[12:27] <Kilos--> then it will share win boot sector
[12:28] <Langjan> moenie spot nie, jy het gister gesien wat kan gebeur
[12:28] <Kilos--> if that gives trouble we make a seperate /boot
[12:28] <Kilos--> haha
[12:28] <Langjan> ok the /dev/sda above the partitions is highlighted, that ok?
[12:29] <Kilos--> im lost
[12:29] <Kilos--> did it highlight itself
[12:29] <Langjan> device shows dev/sda, the below is list of partitions
[12:29] <Kilos--> yes hit install
[12:30] <Langjan> does where it is highlighted now determine where installation will take place?e
[12:30] <Kilos--> i dont think so
[12:30] <Kilos--> did you highlight it
[12:30] <Langjan> perhaps highlight 63gb too be safe?
[12:30] <Langjan> no it was there
[12:30] <Kilos--> no 35
[12:31] <Kilos--> im sure it knows what goes whewre
[12:31] <Kilos--> where
[12:31] <Kilos--> very hard working on memory
[12:31] <Kilos--> sda  is the whole drive
[12:31] <Langjan> ok so 35 but i think youre right anyway 
[12:32] <Kilos--> hit it
[12:32] <Kilos--> install lets se
[12:32] <Kilos--> e
[12:32] <Kilos--> ai!
[12:32] <Langjan> where am I?
[12:32] <Kilos--> i dunno
[12:33] <Kilos--> at home i think
[12:33] <Kilos--> not in the kitchen or dining room anymore
[12:33] <Langjan> It said S Africa so I went with it...
[12:33] <Kilos--> duh
[12:33] <Kilos--> now its a standard install
[12:34] <Kilos--> put tannies name and good password as well
[12:34] <Langjan> yes 
[12:35] <Langjan> it even asks if I want to import any docs/settings from win xp!!
[12:35] <Kilos--> lol
[12:35] <Langjan> Looks like microsoft and linux have decided to bury the hatchet
[12:36] <Langjan> same unrecoverable error
[12:36] <Kilos--> oh my
[12:36] <Langjan> ubuntu does not like this hdd
[12:36] <Kilos--> ok last chance
[12:37] <Kilos--> go back to gparted
[12:37] <Kilos--> delete root 35g
[12:37] <Kilos--> make it 33g
[12:37] <Kilos--> hen make /boot with that spare 2g
[12:38] <Kilos--> if that doesnt work then drive is win only scrap
[12:38] <Kilos--> sigh
[12:39] <Kilos--> bushtech thats so sad
[12:39] <Kilos--> tomorrow you can get thehurd guy to wke them up
[12:39] <Kilos--> wake
[12:40] <bushtech> yep if it still sucks tomorrow I'll talk to him
[12:41] <Kilos--> hat kind of loss is totally unacceptable
[12:42] <Kilos--> whew so many tpos today
[12:42] <Kilos--> typos
[12:42] <Kilos--> Langjan shout if you need help
[12:42] <Langjan> thks Kilos-- 
[12:43] <Langjan> Will 14.04 make any difference?
[12:43] <Kilos> shouldnt but you can try
[12:44] <Kilos> that drive is unhappy
[12:44] <Langjan> ok lets go with your last try first
[12:44] <Kilos> not up to linux specs
[12:44] <Kilos> lol
[12:44] <Langjan> ubi partman error again
[12:44] <Kilos> where did that drive come from
[12:45] <Langjan> from me
[12:45] <Kilos> did it give trouble 
[12:45] <Langjan> cant remember
[12:46] <Langjan> been lying around quite a while
[12:46] <Kilos> ok
[12:46] <Kilos> what size ssd you got?
[12:47] <Langjan> 120gb
[12:47] <Kilos> ah same
[12:48] <Langjan> I see 240gb now cheaper than what I paid at R1 200
[12:48] <Kilos> wow
[12:48] <Kilos> price?
[12:48] <Kilos> i shouldnt ask even'
[12:48] <Langjan> http://mybroadband.co.za/news/business/161544-takealot-daily-deals-price-check.html
[12:50] <Kilos> ai! dit bly maar duur
[12:50] <Kilos> have you rebooted
[12:51] <Langjan> trying its not boooting from dvd, tried 14.04, now back to 12.04 on cd
[12:51] <Langjan> booting...
[12:52] <Langjan> showed a dirty window instead
[12:52] <Kilos> lol
[12:52] <Langjan> ok going to try ubuntu option again?
[12:53] <Kilos> ok
[12:54] <Kilos> the try option has an install goodie top left of screen normally
[12:54] <Kilos> so when done with gparted you just click that
[12:54] <Kilos> twice i think
[12:55] <Langjan> yes thats what I did just now
[12:55] <Kilos> this time first do gparted
[12:56] <Kilos> oh my gonna need some thinking i think
[12:56] <Kilos> something comes up different somewhere
[12:57] <Kilos> zipper mail sent, ill wait for her reply
[12:59] <Langjan> ok gparted is open, shows unallocated 2gb?
[12:59] <Langjan> and all the others of course
[12:59] <Kilos> yay
[13:00] <Kilos> tick partition then new
[13:00] <Kilos> then mountpoint /boot
[13:00] <Langjan> highlighting where?
[13:01] <Kilos> just apply then close gparted
[13:01] <Kilos> then click the install goodie
[13:01] <Langjan> partition is not live to click
[13:02] <Langjan> to click new
[13:02] <Kilos> oh the 2g one
[13:02] <Kilos> have you deleted root
[13:02] <Kilos> th 35g
[13:03] <Kilos> there are always bits unallocated. i dunno what secrets lie in there
[13:03] <Langjan> no mount point - thats again where you lost me yestarday
[13:03] <Kilos> did you delete root
[13:03] <Kilos> the 35gig
[13:04] <Kilos> then first make a new /root of 33g
[13:04] <Langjan> no
[13:04] <Kilos> then that unallocated 2g you use for /boot
[13:04] <Langjan> what must I doo first?
[13:05] <Kilos> delete 35g
[13:05] <Langjan> youre losing me
[13:05] <Kilos> and apply
[13:05] <Langjan> its now 32, thats where the other 2 came from
[13:06] <Kilos> but is someother thing
[13:06] <Kilos> i dunno where that cme from
[13:06] <Langjan> unable to delete
[13:06] <Kilos> if you made it 35g how did it become 32g
[13:06] <Langjan> some story about deleting numbers lower than 5
[13:06] <Langjan> you tell me
[13:06] <Kilos> ai!
[13:06] <Kilos> delete the 32gig
[13:07] <Langjan> it wont delete
[13:07] <Kilos> holy moly
[13:07] <Kilos> close gparted and tick install
[13:08] <Kilos> the we see what patman says
[13:08] <Kilos> parman
[13:08] <Kilos> ai!
[13:08] <Kilos> partman
[13:08] <Langjan> it says unmount logical partitions having a nomber higher than 5
[13:08] <Kilos> im sure this keyboard is jumping around
[13:08] <Kilos> yes
[13:10] <Langjan> were gonna go around in circles with same errors aagin
[13:11] <Kilos> didnt you start with a 15g drive  there
[13:11] <Langjan> ?
[13:12] <Kilos> dunno
[13:12] <Langjan> me, 15g?
[13:12] <Kilos> somehwere in memory is something about a 15g dive
[13:12] <Kilos> did it have no drive
[13:12] <Langjan> memory corrupt
[13:12] <Kilos> or you tried no other drive
[13:12] <Langjan> no
[13:13] <Kilos> maybe i dreamed it
[13:13] <Kilos> ai!
[13:13] <Kilos> im going mal
[13:13] <Kilos> maller
[13:13] <Langjan> lmga
[13:13] <Langjan> dis die dom van die ouderdom ou vrind
[13:13] <Kilos> this is disappointing man
[13:13] <Kilos> ja
[13:14] <Kilos> if you werent so far you could fetch a drive
[13:14] <Langjan> yes, thanks
[13:14] <Kilos> i got a few 80g that still work
[13:15] <Langjan> maybe when I go to the kids again, or my son may be coming thro this week
[13:15] <Kilos> ok there no rush from tannes side
[13:16] <Kilos> sorry oom
[13:16] <Langjan> funny thing, this gparted is showing 55+94+3+58+32+3 GB
[13:17] <Langjan> gone crazy
[13:17] <Kilos> only one out
[13:17] <Langjan> and added 100GB to drive?
[13:17] <Kilos> huh
[13:17] <Langjan> bobbejaantjie se huh
[13:17] <Kilos> oh ya
[13:18] <Langjan> lmga
[13:18] <Kilos> sjoe
[13:18] <Kilos> dlete everything except ntfs
[13:19] <Langjan> oh sorry, it shows dev/sda2 then the breakdown
[13:19] <Kilos> ah
[13:19] <Kilos> delete everything but not ntfs
[13:20] <Kilos> now all the new ones we make you tick the forma block
[13:20] <Langjan> it will only delete the 60gb
[13:20] <Kilos> ai!
[13:20] <Kilos> what 60g
[13:21] <Kilos> that drive is sick
[13:21] <Kilos> try install xp on the whole thing
[13:21] <Langjan> ok 58 gb that we partitioned
[13:22] <Kilos> oh
[13:22] <Kilos> dont mix my brain more
[13:22] <Kilos> all you must see is ntfs and lots of unallocated space
[13:23] <Kilos> dont forget to hit apply
[13:23] <Langjan> no it shows ntfs and then three others all under dev/sda2
[13:24] <Langjan> and wont delete any of the others
[13:24] <Kilos> holy smokes
[13:24] <Kilos> what you doing there
[13:25] <Langjan> whatever you tell me boss
[13:25] <Kilos> lol
[13:25] <Kilos> nee man
[13:25] <Kilos> ai!
[13:26] <Kilos> do you know fixmbr and fixboot
[13:28] <Langjan> are they south africans?
[13:28] <Kilos> hahahaha
[13:28] <Kilos> it commands you use in xp
[13:28] <bushtech> Langjan: http://www.sitepoint.com/ubuntu-12-04-lts-precise-pangolin-using-gparted-to-partition-a-hard-disk/
[13:32] <Kilos> you have a go bushtech im sure that drive is too messed for linux use
[13:33] <bushtech> not my strong point. thats why I rather follow instructions
[13:33] <Kilos> ah
[13:34] <bushtech> just reading the irc has got me confused
[13:34] <Kilos> lol
[13:35] <mazal> New drive. Done
[13:35] <bushtech> bad blocks came up clean?
[13:35] <Kilos> my first few years on ubuntu was all on revived scrap drives so i worked my own way out
[13:35] <Kilos> pc hung
[13:36] <bushtech> hmmm
[13:36] <Kilos> not often a drive wont let linux partition it
[13:36] <bushtech> ssd?
[13:36] <Kilos> no
[13:37] <bushtech> ah ok
[13:37] <Kilos> spinning one
[13:37] <bushtech> ssd's worry me
[13:37] <Kilos> i love this one
[13:37] <Kilos> and it too was a discard from a windows machine
[13:37] <Kilos> lekker fast
[13:38] <bushtech> I love mine too but it had a bad block from early on
[13:38] <Kilos> are you using trim
[13:38] <Kilos> i forget what all is involved
[13:38] <bushtech> nope
[13:39] <Kilos> theblazehen helped me
[13:39] <bushtech> just left it
[13:39] <Kilos> Maaz using trim for ssd on ubuntu
[13:39] <Maaz> Kilos: What?
[13:39] <bushtech> maybe stoopid
[13:39] <Langjan> Trim comes standard with Intel but is apparently important 
[13:39] <Kilos> maaz google using trim for ssd on ubuntu
[13:39] <Maaz> Kilos: "ssd - How is Trim enabled? - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/443761/how-is-trim-enabled :: "On ubuntu 14.04 how do you check if TRIM is on for an SSD drive ..." http://askubuntu.com/questions/572240/on-ubuntu-14-04-how-do-you-check-if-trim-is-on-for-an-ssd-drive :: "Ubuntu Doesn't TRIM SSDs By Default: Why Not and How To ..."
[13:39] <Maaz> http://www.howtogeek.com/176978/ubuntu-doesnt-trim-ssds-by-default-why-not-and-how-to-enable-it-yourself/ :: …
[13:40] <Kilos> ssds work a bit different
[13:40] <Kilos> only prob with ssds is size and price
[13:41] <Langjan> Kilos, im just gonna let the tannie pplay with win xp until we get another drive
[13:41] <Kilos> ok Langjan 
[13:41] <Kilos> you should then install xp  on the whole drive
[13:42] <Kilos> spose 56g is enough
[13:42] <Langjan> yes more than enough
[13:42] <Kilos> ok just open my computer
[13:43] <Kilos> right click on c: and choose properties
[13:43] <Kilos> then tools and have it check the filesystem
[13:43] <Langjan> you addressing me Kilos ?
[13:43] <Kilos> yessitr
[13:43] <Langjan> ok on win xp?
[13:43] <Kilos> no one else here has a c: drive in front of him
[13:44] <Kilos> ya
[13:44] <Kilos> then we know she is at least getting a good xp
[13:47] <Langjan> no C drive, only F
[13:48] <Kilos> ai!
[13:48] <Kilos> nee man reinstall xp
[13:48] <Kilos> let it use the whole drive
[13:49] <Kilos> win without a C: drive sounds crazy
[13:55] <Kilos> i need to sleep, shout if you need help oom
[14:03] <Langjan> fine thks Kilos  slaap lekker
[14:04] <Kilos> call anytime
[14:04] <Kilos> good luck
[15:43] <mazal> Any of the Kubuntu specialists around ?
[15:44] <mazal> superfly, inetpro ?
[15:53] <mazal> Hi pavlushka 
[15:53] <pavlushka> Hello mazal!
[15:53] <pavlushka> mazal, can you smell Kilos !
[15:54] <mazal> No he's been gone a while
[15:54] <Kilos> haha
[15:54] <Kilos> i just woke up
[15:54] <mazal> wb oom
[15:54] <Kilos> ty
[15:54] <Kilos> need another 8 hours sleep
[15:54] <Kilos> sigh
[15:55] <mazal> Late night meeting ?
[15:55] <Kilos> no just couldnt get to sleep
[15:55] <Kilos> slept about 2 hours 
[15:55]  * mazal needs advice re Kubuntu
[15:55] <Kilos> ok
[15:56] <mazal> I want te get started with the re-install ( cos I have the time now )
[15:56] <Kilos> you should be giving me advice
[15:56] <Kilos> go on
[15:56] <mazal> So was wondering , is it ok to installl beta 2 now and upgrade to final when it release ? Or should I rather wait for final
[15:57] <mazal> Talking 16.04 here
[15:57] <Kilos> i would wait but thats me
[15:57] <superfly> mazal: I'm already on 16.04 on both my Kubuntu machines
[15:57] <mazal> superfly, so it's fine if I do it ? No issues I should be aware of ?
[15:57] <superfly> none that I have seen
[15:58] <mazal> How easy is the upgrade to final , does it comes in updates or will I have to do something extra for that ?
[15:58] <superfly> you just update
[15:58] <mazal> k thanx
[15:59] <Kilos> see you must ask the up to date guys
[15:59] <mazal> Prepared everything the whole day ( backups etc.) and want to get going.
[16:00] <mazal> Have the time now this few days and am bored anyway
[16:00] <Kilos> go for it then
[16:00] <Kilos> hi pavlushka 
[16:00] <superfly> next time I reinstall it'll be Debian
[16:00] <mazal> Lemme find the iso download
[16:00] <Kilos> why superfly 
[16:00] <pavlushka> Hi Kilos !
[16:01] <superfly> Kilos: because Kubuntu is rough around the edges
[16:01] <Kilos> better than ubuntu?
[16:01] <superfly> and then you get stuck with those rough edges for 6 months
[16:01] <superfly> I run Debian unstable, so I have a rolling release
[16:01] <Kilos> ok
[16:02] <Kilos> ill wait the 6 months
[16:02] <superfly> so I get the upgrades, but when they're ready
[16:02] <Kilos> maybe ill get debian if i get to aus
[16:02] <mazal> superfly, have a good link for beta 2 maybe ? Mine hangs
[16:03] <Kilos> cant do it here
[16:03] <superfly> mazal: uh, I upgraded, I didn't reinstall
[16:03] <superfly> what's your link?
[16:03] <mazal> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/16.04/beta-2/
[16:03] <mazal> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/16.04/beta-2/kubuntu-16.04-beta2-desktop-amd64.iso
[16:04] <mazal> That's the one I try , but not starting
[16:04] <superfly> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/16.04/beta-2/
[16:04] <pavlushka> try the daily iso's
[16:04] <superfly> hrm, ok
[16:05] <pavlushka> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20160416/xenial-desktop-amd64.iso, might work for you.mazal
[16:06] <superfly> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/16.04/beta-2/kubuntu-16.04-beta2-desktop-amd64.iso
[16:06] <superfly> ^^ that works for me
[16:06] <superfly> getting it at 1MB/s too
[16:06] <pavlushka> hello debian superfly!!!!
[16:06] <superfly> mazal: have you tried the torrent, that's soemtimes even faster
[16:06] <superfly> hi pavlushka
[16:07] <pavlushka> I am just telling him a workaround if the main link does not work for him.
[16:07] <pavlushka> so when you are switching to debian superfly !, so eager to see.
[16:08] <pavlushka> mazal, I think its best for you, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/16.04/beta-2/kubuntu-16.04-beta2-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[16:09] <mazal> The normal works now thanx
[16:09] <pavlushka> ah!
[16:11] <superfly> pavlushka: on my main desktop PC I already use Debian (been using it for a few years)
[16:11] <superfly> pavlushka: I'm part of the team organising DebCon16
[16:12] <superfly> pavlushka: and to be honest, L/X/K/Ubuntu is not that different to Debian
[16:12] <pavlushka> superfly: and when you will discard Kubuntu then, :) and yes its all .deb
[16:13] <superfly> pavlushka: on my netbook: when my SSD arrives
[16:13] <superfly> on my work PC: not sure, maybe never
[16:13] <superfly> just don't have the bandwidth to throw away hours into a reinstall
[16:13] <pavlushka> superfly: I see you are trying very hard to leave kubuntu thats why you are running thw development version!!!!!!
[16:14] <pavlushka> * two dev versions of kubuntu!
[16:14] <pavlushka> ^^
[16:14] <superfly> pavlushka: um, ya, whatever
[16:14] <pavlushka> lol
[16:17] <superfly> pavlushka: the only person saying that I'm trying very hard to leave Kubuntu is you.
[16:17] <Kilos> lol
[16:18] <mazal> Ok dl will take some time. Dinner it is then
[16:18] <pavlushka> yes, to dinner!
[16:18] <superfly> mazal: direct, or torrent?
[16:18] <superfly> (out of interest)
[16:19] <mazal> Direct , I don't use torrents as a rule
[16:19] <pavlushka> superfly: direct
[16:19] <pavlushka> mazal, it is safer
[16:19] <superfly> mazal: I usually download the torrent, it's usually much faster for me
[16:19] <pavlushka> and no download failure or data corruption
[16:21] <pavlushka> If i had to choose, i would alway choose torrent if thats possible.
[16:22] <pavlushka> *always
[16:22] <pavlushka> hello bushtech !
[16:23] <pavlushka> bushtech: you are out of the bush again?
[16:24] <pavlushka> sorry, bad joke. bushtech !
[16:24] <bushtech_> heh
[16:24] <bushtech_> grrr
[16:25] <pavlushka> I smell cat here.
[16:26] <bushtech_> mtn been sucky all day
[16:34] <Kilos> hurfy gurdy man has work tomorrow
[16:35] <Kilos> hurdy
[16:35] <bushtech_> whatsup
[16:35] <Kilos> your connection
[16:36] <pavlushka> lol
[16:36] <Kilos> dunno how afrihost get mtn to do anything
[16:36] <bushtech_> no it's down :)
[16:36] <Kilos> lol
[16:36] <Kilos> i feel for you
[16:36] <Kilos> been there done that
[16:36] <bushtech_> thanks
[16:37] <Kilos> and fought with them all
[16:37] <bushtech_> btdt with voda too
[16:37] <bushtech_> hoping mtn better but portents not good
[16:38] <Kilos> maybe if afrihost pushes them it will help more than some sucker on the other end of a cell
[16:39] <bushtech_> hope so
[16:39] <Kilos> helpdesks are painful to use
[16:39] <bushtech_> still waiting on them for tower location
[16:39] <Kilos> they always start by tryig to get you to check your settings
[16:39] <bushtech_> btdt
[16:40] <Kilos> whats that?
[16:40] <bushtech_> umpteen times
[16:40] <Kilos> oh
[16:41] <Kilos> i tell them now i have 2 pcs right in front of me with each its own modem and they both worked well before 
[16:41] <Kilos> problem not here its on your side
[16:43] <Kilos> i go eat
[16:48] <superfly> bushtech_: I'm not sure where you are, but in Cape Town Vodacom always has the best signal
[17:10] <Kilos> hmm...
[17:12] <inetpro> good mornings
[17:12] <Kilos> wb inetpro 
[17:12] <inetpro> back?
[17:12] <inetpro> from where?
[17:13] <Kilos> well you havent said anything here for days
[17:13] <Kilos> so wb from wherever
[17:13] <inetpro> doesn't mean I'm gone anywhere
[17:14] <inetpro> I was here all the time
[17:14] <Kilos> wb to #ubuntu-za
[17:14] <Kilos> jaja
[17:14] <Kilos> ty bouncer
[17:14]  * inetpro just chose to ignore everyone 
[17:14] <pavlushka> morning inetpro !
[17:14] <Kilos> what!!
[17:15] <inetpro> it's weekend after all
[17:15] <Kilos> dit sal nie deug nie
[17:15] <Kilos> oh
[17:15] <Kilos> can i also have weekends off
[17:17] <bushtech_> superfly: I'm at Vaalkopdam between Brits and Thabazimbi
[17:41] <Kilos> inetpro why are you always grumpy lately
[17:41]  * inetpro grumpy? Never!
[17:41] <Kilos> take a pill and chill
[17:42] <inetpro> Kilos: relax oom
[17:42] <Kilos> did you really change your surname to strydom
[17:44] <mazal> Shees dl taking forever
[17:44] <mazal> hi inetpro 
[17:57] <pavlushka> Goodnight guys!
[17:57] <Kilos> night pavlushka 
[17:57] <Kilos> sleep well
[17:57] <pavlushka> you too.!
[18:01] <inetpro> Kilos: I was/am just busy with other stuffs man, sorry 
[18:01] <Kilos> im teasing man
[18:02] <inetpro> haha, ok
[18:02] <mazal> Yeah dl is finished :)
[18:02] <inetpro> almost got worried because oom Kilos is so worried
[18:02] <Kilos> lol
[18:03] <Kilos> oh mhall says anyone is welcome to translate tht game to other languages
[18:03] <inetpro> obviously, it's open source... I hope
[18:03] <Kilos> yes
[18:03] <Kilos> open something
[18:04] <Kilos> i forget now
[18:04] <inetpro> Kilos: you can also help superfly to translate his project also
[18:04] <Kilos> to what language
[18:05] <Kilos> englikaans
[18:16] <mazal> Ok I'm off , gonna start the install. Sleep well for those I don't see again
[18:36] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[18:41] <inetpro> good night ki[tab], maza[tab]
[18:41] <inetpro> ai!
[18:59] <mazal> I like the look , nice :)
[19:00] <mazal> Waiting on updates now
[19:02] <mazal> Hi magespawn
[20:25] <mazal> superfly,you here maybe ?
[20:26] <mazal> nvm , come right