[08:16] <flocculant> bluesabre: yep - done that, also split the 'changes' on the release notes - makes more sense like that
[09:21] <flocculant> ochosi: \o/ latest xubuntu-icon-theme > http://i.imgur.com/4KAQxx2.png 
[09:23] <flocculant> assuming that we don't get that in during the next few days - sru material? in which case I'll create a bug for it now so I can put it on the note
[09:44] <flocculant> rather I need to report it anyway for the note if it's unlikely to land :)
[09:50] <Nairwolf> hi, I'm happy to know this bug is not only for me : 1570901
[09:50] <Nairwolf> the bug with ubiquity. 
[09:53] <flocculant> Nairwolf: so am I :D
[10:01] <Nairwolf> I would like to clarify some technical terms. For example, with mugshot, you have mugshot which the name of the application, and you have "about me" found in the menu. What is the exact term for "about me", is it the "nickname" of the application Mugshot ? 
[10:03] <flocculant> About Me is the launcher name, mughsot is the application name
[10:03] <Nairwolf> launcher name, thank you ;)
[10:03] <flocculant> you could edit About Me's name and call is flibbertygibbet if you wanted :)
[10:03] <Nairwolf> Yes, I know that. 
[10:03] <flocculant> :)
[10:04] <Nairwolf> As I'm currently working on translations, I was looking for the exact english term. 
[10:04] <flocculant> aah right :)
[10:05] <Nairwolf> but launcher name isn't really easy to translate into french. I need to find a better name, or I will ask to french translators how they translate that. 
[10:09] <Nairwolf> flocculant: Are you able to explain me this choice about Mugshot ? The first installed user and any added admin users will be able to change any field. Normal users can change their image and most of the fields, this type of user will not be able to change phone numbers.
[10:09] <Nairwolf> It's from this article : http://xubuntu.org/news/small-details-personal-information-integration/
[10:09] <Nairwolf> I'm wondering why a normal user isn't able to change phone numbers. do you know why ? 
[10:09] <flocculant> not really
[10:10] <Nairwolf> ok
[10:10] <flocculant> bluesabre> [02:25:53] flocculant: new mugshot in -staging... did what I could, phone numbers are now disabled for non-sudoers (same limitation as in the Users & Groups app)
[10:10] <flocculant> Nairwolf: ^^
[10:12] <Nairwolf> okay, I will ask to bluesabre. I'm interested to know why it's disabled. 
[10:38] <flocculant> Nairwolf: I don't think it's disabled as such - more a limitation elsewhere affecting mugshot
[10:57] <flocculant> I guess if you're going to send a mail to the team - best to make sure you include the XPL ...
[10:57] <flocculant> sorry for the mail spam peeps
[11:04] <Nairwolf> flocculant: yes, I was also thinking there is a limitation somewhere. That's why I'm interested to understand why...
[11:04] <Nairwolf> lunch time, see you later
[11:20] <bluesabre> Nairwolf: the explanation is a bit like this... 1) AccountsService does not enable changing of phone numbers (https://fedorahosted.org/sssd/wiki/DesignDocs/AccountsService), and 2) `chfn` requires a password to change your details and does not have a non-terminal prompt.  The SudoDialog I made provides a graphical prompt and is used in Mugshot depends on checking your password with sudo... if you're
[11:20] <bluesabre> not in sudoers (and non-admins are not), that will fail
[11:21] <bluesabre> so if you're not in Sudoers, I have no way of getting a user's password to change their details
[11:23] <bluesabre> Nairwolf: you can find Mugshot's current French translations at https://translations.launchpad.net/mugshot/trunk/+pots/mugshot/fr/+translate - it looks like "About Me" was translated to "À mon sujet"
[11:23] <bluesabre> hey flocculant
[11:33] <bluesabre> flocculant: I may have a fix for libreoffice... testing this morning
[11:33] <flocculant> \o/
[11:34] <flocculant> bluesabre: would we be able to get that in? 
[11:34] <bluesabre> we can try
[11:34] <flocculant> also see my pinging of Simon re the icons :_
[11:34] <flocculant> :)
[11:34] <bluesabre> saw that
[11:34] <bluesabre> will try that too
[11:34] <flocculant> aah okey doke :)
[11:34] <bluesabre> "release goals" - we're picky
[11:34] <flocculant> yup 
[11:37] <flocculant> which is as it should be this late just in case it explodes all over everyone I guess :p
[11:38] <flocculant> ha ha - I'm going to have divide +2's by 2 then :)
[11:42] <bluesabre> :D
[11:46] <bluesabre> to fix it, I'm basically adding a pre-populated config with only the theme set in skel
[11:46] <bluesabre> should just work
[11:46] <bluesabre> but we know how these things go
[11:48] <flocculant> indeed :)
[11:52] <flocculant> bluesabre: I guess I really should do a xubuntu-icon-theme bug anyway 
[11:58] <bluesabre> flocculant: yes please, so I can link it to the upload
[11:58] <flocculant> oh boo
[11:59] <flocculant> stupid ppa warning ... 
[12:01] <bluesabre> cool, seems to work
[12:02] <flocculant> bluesabre: bug 1571317
[12:02] <bluesabre> thanks
[12:02] <bluesabre> tested by making the default elementary, logging in as guest, seeing elementary as default, changing to galaxy, logging in as guest, seeing galaxy as default
[12:02] <bluesabre> good sign
[12:02] <flocculant> I'll add it to note for now - just in case it's not landed - this is one of those things I *would* forget on Thursday 
[12:03] <bluesabre> :D
[12:03] <flocculant> apart from anything else - I only boot the laptop to check things for Simon :p
[12:09] <flocculant> sigh ... wiki 
[12:11] <bluesabre> -- Wiki wiki means "quick" in Hawaiian. (http://www.dictionary.com/browse/wiki)
[12:11] <flocculant> ha ha ha 
[12:11] <flocculant> no ubuntu wiki on Hawaii then :p
[12:11] <bluesabre> "Ubuntu Wiki" means slow in Open Source
[12:11] <flocculant> LOL
[12:13] <flocculant> this one's great - login (cos it's decided that even though you logged in 10 minutes ago - that's long enough) change a page, save it, clear the message - login to wiki to edit something else, rinse repeat until bored
[12:13] <flocculant> which is 2 minutes in this case - I'll go post something on rt.ubuntu instead 
[12:14] <bluesabre> flocculant: xubuntu-default-settings approved
[12:14] <bluesabre> stgraber is around, so I should get those icons uploaded quickly as well
[12:14] <flocculant> \o/ 
[12:17] <bluesabre> oh man, lots of new icons since the last xubuntu-artwork upload
[12:17] <bluesabre> I only want those network ones
[12:17] <flocculant> oh really ... 
[12:18] <bluesabre> ah
[12:18] <bluesabre> hm
[12:19] <bluesabre> confused
[12:19] <bluesabre> :D
[12:20] <bluesabre> the commits don't seem to line up with the upload date, not making sense of this
[12:21] <flocculant> I'm guessing that ochosi added something more recently than 2 days ago - cos originally his change didn't help, updating today and it did
[12:22] <bluesabre> I uploaded last time on Mar 15, but I've got hundreds of changed icons compared to https://github.com/shimmerproject/elementary-xfce/commits/master
[12:23] <flocculant> can't comment on that :)
[12:23] <bluesabre> weird
[12:24] <flocculant> not really - I wouldn't understand so I won't comment :p
[12:25] <bluesabre> maybe my last upload didn't actually include the changes I wrote in the log
[12:25] <bluesabre> nope, they do
[12:27] <bluesabre> hundreds was incorrect
[12:27] <bluesabre> thousands
[12:27] <bluesabre> https://paste.ubuntu.com/15893211/
[12:28] <flocculant> blimey
[12:28] <bluesabre> ochosi: ping
[12:28] <flocculant> mmm
[12:28] <bluesabre> :D
[12:29] <flocculant> I wonder then if the ppa icon theme is unnecessary 
[12:29] <bluesabre> seems valuable to me
[12:30] <flocculant> ok - didn't know if the 'thing which makes the lock' ok was there previously 
[12:30]  * Unit193 sighs at skel. :(
[12:30]  * flocculant sighed at wiki first
[12:30] <Unit193> But yeah, I checked, no other places it looks.
[12:31] <bluesabre> Unit193: yeah, lo only uses its registry file
[12:31] <Unit193> Nothing in xdg and just one file in etc (I straced..)
[12:34] <bluesabre> anyway, I can drop all those changed files except the network one and toss the package into -staging
[12:34] <bluesabre> *ones
[12:34] <bluesabre> I'm no good at plural today
[12:34] <flocculant> :)
[13:05] <bluesabre> xubuntu-artwork uploaded to https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/xubuntu-staging - should build shortly
[13:11] <flocculant> bluesabre: ok
[13:15] <flocculant> bluesabre: artwork for the icon update is that? 
[13:15] <bluesabre> flocculant: yup
[13:16] <flocculant> k - I'll check the lappy later on
[13:18] <flocculant> bluesabre: so if I check http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html later for default-settings later today and it's gone does that mean it's out of proposed? 
[13:18] <flocculant> if it does - when I see that - I'll trigger a rebuild for us and check :)
[13:22] <bluesabre> flocculant: most likely
[13:23] <flocculant> ok - I'll check that all later
[13:23] <bluesabre> flocculant: or when https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/16.04.6 says its in release
[13:23] <flocculant> bluesabre: thanks :)
[13:24] <flocculant> wandering off for a bit now
[13:24] <bluesabre> flocculant: if the ppa -artwork fixes things for you (or seems to keep them fixed, probably need to log out/in) we can get that uploaded as well
[13:24] <bluesabre> alrighty
[13:25] <flocculant> bluesabre: ack  - as soon as I know either I'll put it in here :)
[13:25] <bluesabre> great
[13:25] <bluesabre> going to go watch a movie now and chill for a bit
[13:25] <bluesabre> ping, I'm around
[13:25] <flocculant> much the same :)
[13:26] <Nairwolf> flocculant: The default menu on xubuntu is called whisker menu, right ? 
[13:28] <flocculant> flocculant: yup
[13:32] <Nairwolf> ok
[13:37] <flocculant> bluesabre: first one was quick :) ppa artwork installed, xubuntu-icon-theme @16.04.2 > lock icons on wireless and strength look fine here - I can see it all with glasses off ;)
[13:46] <Nairwolf> xfwm do not have english wikipedia page... 
[14:03] <Nairwolf> In this webpage : http://gottcode.org/xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin/ , they say that whisker menu is an alternate application launcher. Does it mean that Whisker isn't the launcher menu by default on Xfce ? 
[14:29] <flocculant> bluesabre: it's a race \o/ let's see if it get's there before the rc build lands at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/359/builds :D
[15:31] <flocculant> must be something else - it's gone from excuses, it looks like it's in the release pocket, but it's not showing up anywhere else yet :)
[15:37] <flocculant> bluesabre: rebuilding 64bit only
[15:42] <krytarik> flocculant: That's because it's not arch-specific - and I see it here: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/x/xubuntu-default-settings/
[15:54] <flocculant> right - not sure it would have actually been there when it wasn't anywhere else - all appears to be catching up now
[15:58] <flocculant> at least the image is building with 16.04.6 :)
[16:03] <bluesabre> back now
[16:05] <bluesabre> flocculant: good to hear, I'll get that uploaded shortly
[16:05] <flocculant> bluesabre: just zsynced - checking live - installing from new iso
[16:06] <flocculant> so then that should be the LO bug fix released
[16:07] <bluesabre> correct
[16:07] <flocculant> mmm
[16:08] <flocculant> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/254235177/buildlog_ubuntu_xenial_amd64_xubuntu_BUILDING.txt.gz showsxubuntu-default-settings all 16.04.6 
[16:08] <flocculant> the zsynced one still shows .5
[16:12] <bluesabre> boo
[16:12] <flocculant> having another go :)
[16:13] <flocculant> maybe current wasn't properly synced with todays .1 build
[16:13] <flocculant> oh and the try/install dialogue is back :)
[16:14] <flocculant> right version of it now 
[16:23] <PaulW2U> flocculant: install option still doesn't work here, boots to a vt then to desktop  :(
[16:24] <flocculant> bluesabre: confirm the LO fix
[16:25] <flocculant> PaulW2U: not sure what's been going on with the images over the last day or so - but the 64 bit that's showing on Final installs 
[16:25] <PaulW2U> not for me 
[16:25] <flocculant> there's been some strangeness 
[16:26] <flocculant> PaulW2U: mmm
[16:26] <flocculant> PaulW2U: the 20160417.1 iso? 
[16:27] <flocculant> first time I synced it - it was old - didn't actually try it - second time it was up to date
[16:27] <PaulW2U> flocculant: yes 17.1 ISO
[16:33] <flocculant> PaulW2U: not a clue then tbh as I'm installing from the image again here :)
[16:33] <flocculant> but if you choose the install option at the very first menu you could do so - it lands at the livesession
[16:34] <flocculant> in infinity's words "That sounds delighfully broken."
[16:35] <flocculant> there's a global rebuild going on now btw
[16:37] <PaulW2U> flocculant: agreed, I can start an install from the desktop but not the main menu
[16:37] <flocculant> ok - cool - I was a bit concerned then :)
[16:38] <flocculant> if I'm trying to prove something like I was with default-settings I'm going to boot to desktop first just to make sure it has what I'm expecting
[16:47] <flocculant> mmm - this time from Install at the first menu I'm installing
[17:48] <drc> 3 builds today, huh?  Problems or just finalizing things?
[17:50] <flocculant> drc: I rebuilt to check -default-settings change 
[17:50] <flocculant> then there was a global one from -release team :)
[17:53] <ochosi> hey flocculant 
[17:53] <ochosi> so wait, my patch worked after all?
[17:53] <ochosi> (for the icons)
[17:54] <ochosi> bluesabre: +1000 for getting that LO theme bug fixed!
[17:55] <flocculant> ochosi: yea not sure what was up there - it definitely hadn't previously - I did another update - fixed now *shrug*
[17:55] <ochosi> well as long as it's fixed and bluesabre can get it uploaded, it's all good ;)
[17:56] <flocculant> yup
[17:56] <flocculant> just waiting on -release for that now :)
[17:58] <ochosi> nice, so at least two bugs less in the imagea
[17:58] <flocculant> yep :)
[17:58] <ochosi> now thunar is our biggest whoopsie i guess?
[17:59] <flocculant> ochosi: thanks for your reply re team member - did mail whole team now
[17:59] <ochosi> or are there any other biggies?
[18:00] <flocculant> yea - thunar is pretty much it - cursor loss on suspend isn't much fun for those affected 
[18:00] <ochosi> but that was graphics card/driver related if i recall correctly, right?
[18:00] <flocculant> yea
[18:00] <ochosi> right..
[18:00] <ochosi> always problems with that
[18:00] <flocculant> seemingly affects intel
[18:00] <ochosi> meh
[18:00] <ochosi> so it'll affect me :'(
[18:00] <flocculant> ... 
[18:01] <flocculant> at least the work round is pretty painless ... ctrl+alt+f1 then ctrl+alt+f7
[18:01] <ochosi> yeah, but still
[18:02] <drc> biggie == 1) affects a bunch of people or biggie == the one whoopsie that will affect me and I need a fix, NOW! ? :)
[18:02] <flocculant> drc: indeed :D
[18:03] <flocculant> #xubuntu will be full of #2 next week
[18:03] <flocculant> I shall crosscheck LP name against bugs reported before last month :p
[18:04] <flocculant> ochosi: pretty sure it's https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=815135 
[18:04] <flocculant> but not quite sure enough to add it to the LP bug :D
[18:11] <ochosi> well you can always add it so we have it on the radar
[18:11] <flocculant> ok :)
[18:13] <flocculant> though I guess lightlocker is completely wrong and it should be xserver-xorg-video-intel
[18:13] <flocculant> because apart from anything it only happens after you've unlocked
[18:15] <ochosi> yeah
[18:15] <ochosi> bbabl
[18:26] <flocculant> ochosi bluesabre - x-artwork looks like accepted at least :)
[19:25] <drc> huh, just dl'd the 17.2 ISO, dd'd it to a usb stick, booted it. Touching nothing, it boots thru to the desktop (no try/install choice).Hitting enter and going thru the menus, I can go straight to install.  Is this the way it's supposed to work in this Brave New World?
[19:25] <flocculant> nope
[19:26] <drc> whoopsie (type 1 or 2?)
[19:26] <flocculant> it's the way it does with bug someone reported that I can't find at present :)
[19:27] <flocculant> bug 1570901
[19:27] <flocculant> the one I'm banging on about on the testing mails 
[19:29] <drc> Why does Canonical feel they have to break ubiquity with each release?
[19:29] <drc> s/break/improve/
[19:30] <Unit193> drc: Jenga?
[19:30] <flocculant> not sure what's the issue here enough to know 
[19:50] <flocculant> should really s/swissbot/bossybot :p
[19:51] <flocculant> or change ATTN to hey guys ... 
[19:56] <Unit193> Well it's a notice, so not as nosiy as a msg, can ignore it too. :D
[19:56] <flocculant> sigh - so is the change to xubuntu-artwork through? http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/x/xubuntu-artwork/?C=M;O=D
[19:56] <flocculant> that makes me think it is 
[19:57] <flocculant> if someone would be good enough to tell me one way or the other I'll rebuild both now
[19:57] <Unit193> (Though I can change 'ATTN' to anything.)
[19:57] <flocculant> Unit193: yea - I know you said that last time I joked about swissbot :p
[19:57] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-artwork is a better link.
[19:57] <drc> Or "Hey you guys" (re: The Electric Company)
[19:58] <drc> or Goonies :)
[19:58] <flocculant> Unit193: thanks - and I assume if it was in -proposed it would say so against the 16.04.2 line? 
[19:59] <flocculant> drc: :)
[19:59] <Unit193> flocculant: It'd have two, what's in release and what's in proposed, aye.
[19:59] <flocculant> cool - so I can rebuild and it will get the icon fix? 
[19:59] <Unit193> In theory.
[20:00] <flocculant> you're not helping me here :D
[20:02] <Unit193> Hah, lucky me: xubuntu-artwork 16.04.1
[20:03] <flocculant> :)
[20:17] <Unit193> Yep, installer still craps out.
[20:25] <flocculant> still don't know whether to believe http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/x/xubuntu-artwork/?C=M;O=D or http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=xubuntu-artwork&suite=default&section=all&arch=any&searchon=names
[20:28] <Unit193> The first is the actual archive, second is just a user interface.
[20:29] <flocculant> well
[20:29] <flocculant> not spending anymore time on this tonight
[20:29] <Unit193> G'night.
[20:30] <flocculant> bluesabre: if you want to you can trigger a rebuild for us at tracker - then any more rebuilds we have to go through will be global ones - thanks
[20:30] <flocculant> back tomorrow :)
[20:31] <flocculant> ochosi: I guess I need to do one for the mailing list too? if so - that'll be in the morning as well 
[20:31] <Unit193> ochosi: I even sent one, sooo. :P
[20:31] <ochosi> flocculant: nah, i'll just do an announcement and then that's it
[20:32] <ochosi> unless you wanna do the announcement, which is totally fine by me :)
[20:32] <ochosi> (i already write enough email @work)
[20:51] <ochosi> anyway, night y'all
[23:36] <drc> huh...is exaile going to be in the 16.04 repos?
[23:46] <Unit193> !info exaile xenial
[23:46] <Unit193> :3
[23:46] <drc> I know that.  I was wondering if it was going to be added at the last minute :)
[23:47] <drc> If not, any idea why it was dropped (I assume ther is a reasonable reason...just not one I like :)
[23:48] <Unit193> Oh, I see: RoQA; depends on gstreamer 0.10
[23:48] <drc> and  gstreamer 0.10's bben depreciated?
[23:49] <Unit193> A bit ago, and now removed from the archive finally.
[23:50] <drc> Well, that makes the decision easy.