=== Blizzzek is now known as Blizzz === claydoh_ is now known as claydoh [00:10] sgclark: I recently lost mine by deleted ~/.config/plasma-org.kde.plasma.desktop-appletsrc [00:11] my current config line is [00:12] favorites=preferred://browser,systemsettings.desktop,org.kde.dolphin.desktop,org.kde.kate.desktop,quassel.desktop,google-chrome.desktop,muon.desktop,org.kde.konsole.desktop [00:13] I also notice that file controls the kickoff icon, maybe we could inject the Kubuntu logo/icon ? [00:14] I am search through lp:kubuntu-settings but finding nothing. maybe you can look too clivjo [00:15] but this all seems insanely dated [00:15] 12.04 [00:15] well I know that file controls it, but its a config file, there must be a default settings file somewhere [00:15] I wonder if this is somewhere else.. [00:16] maybe here - http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/all/plasma-desktop-data/filelist [00:16] clivejo: that is upstream. I highly doubt we set stuff there [00:16] grep through /usr/share/plasma/ for favorites=preferred ? [00:17] well upstream set the defaults? [00:17] there is a lot of things in there at can be removed lol [00:17] we currently have what KDE default layout is [00:17] well I know Jonathan liked everything pretty vanilla [00:18] probably for handiness [00:18] but honestly I have not messed with changing defaults [00:18] but it seems like we had a least a few like firefox etc [00:18] but we should set a few default apps in kickoff, in my opinion [00:18] I know some stuff for Discover is in kubuntu-settings [00:19] as well as the about page [00:20] http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/all/kubuntu-settings-desktop/filelist [00:25] yeah I am in that branch. I found what looks like a kickoff update script sed line for kde4... stuff perhaps our problem [00:30] ahoneybun: if we do figure it out, what apps should be there? [00:34] looks like they set firefox and ktp [00:36] dolphin, firefox, konversion, settings at least [00:37] amarok as well [00:37] clivejo, http://docs.kubuntu.org/_images/KickOff.png [00:37] * ahoneybun needs to update the screenshots [00:47] could you modify one how you want it to be by default [00:48] steam wont be intsalled :P [01:07] sgclark: [01:07] ping [01:07] whats up? [01:07] I think Ive found how to do it [01:07] can you modify the kubuntu-settings package? [01:07] think so [01:09] http://paste.ubuntu.com/15906487/ [01:10] just need a list of default apps [01:11] and order them how a new user might explore them [01:13] when I created that file and made a new user, kickoff displayed the apps how I configured them in that file for the new user [01:13] ok [01:13] seems too easy :) but worth a shot! [01:13] much easier than the scripts I was trying to fix [01:14] well its designed to be configurable [01:14] do we have a kubuntu logo for the menu icon? [01:16] there is a logo in here.. [01:18] ok if you add the line [01:18] icon=/usr/share/pixmaps/kubuntu-logo.png [01:18] that will put the kubuntu logo as the kickoff icon :) [01:19] where? [01:19] no header? [01:19] huh? [01:19] Branding? [01:20] on a new line under FavoriteURLs= [01:21] okies [01:21] ahoneybun could come up with a list of 9 apps to add to it? [01:22] do we really need to fill it up?! [01:22] I think 9 is the max it displays properly [01:22] no real reason to use all of them [01:22] be nice to showcase certain apps? [01:22] Kontact should be there [01:22] I would personally be annoyed [01:22] can always remove them [01:23] apps to cover the basics [01:23] and this is only for new users [01:23] I have to go to bed, its 2:23am [01:23] woe [01:23] night clivejo [01:23] 9:24 pm here [01:24] but Ill have a look at the kubuntu settings package tomorrow [01:24] night clivjo [01:24] see if we can tweak it [01:24] ahoneybun: maybe run it by the KCC? [01:25] if they even want the kick off menu branded, and what apps? [01:25] not sure it is that big of a issue [01:25] would you maybe send an email, dont wanna waste time on it if they dont want it! [01:26] I meant what apps to chose [01:26] *choose [01:26] Well I am comitting and putting in ppa for testing. they can revert if they dont want [01:26] it's a good idea [01:27] valorie, yofel ovidiu clivejo read above ^ [01:27] default apps in kickoff for 16.04 [01:27] I am not convinced on icon, I don't think it will look good in dark theme [01:28] but can test [01:28] well I reckon Discover, Firefox, Libre Office, System settings, dolphin, amarok etc ... [01:28] you would need one for light and one for dark [01:29] looks ok on my dark theme [01:29] and Kontact [01:29] that should be good [01:29] meh not sure I want to highlight qt4 apps [01:29] I added kontact and konversation [01:29] but they still work and provide important functions for some [01:30] either way none of this is in stone so we can always change it [01:30] mmhmm [01:30] but if we have the chance to showcase some apps, I think we should take it [01:30] default install looks very bland [01:30] agreed clivejo but we don't have to pick them tonight/morning [01:31] lets have other people give input [01:31] and sleep clivejo [01:31] if we wanna get them into Xenial, do need to get its done ASAP [01:31] release is next week :/ [01:32] clivejo: you can push to https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-settings/kubuntu-settings [01:32] I know, updated a old mac mini to it today [01:32] it is owned by kubuntu-packagers [01:32] also means I have access to it as well [01:32] actaully its this Thursday!! [01:32] holy cow [01:32] feel free to add stuff you want lol [01:32] I added what I want :) [01:33] I thought we still had a week! [01:33] yikes [01:33] I will be traveling all Thursday [01:33] all these FFE's are getting annoying [01:34] night all [01:34] night clivejo [01:34] night night [01:34] ahoneybun: what FFes? [01:35] that one against the site for one [01:35] KDE Meta? [01:35] I removed that. that was silly [01:36] yea I saw, thank you [01:36] wth does kde meta have to do with website [01:36] nothing really [01:37] welp my seed got rejected. older than archive which means someone made changes and did not commit to bzr [01:37] sgclark, did you hear about that QA job? [01:38] for canonical? I applied for two, and heard nothing [01:38] yea [01:38] I don't think working for them is in my stars [01:38] have to at least try [01:38] I don't think any tech job is in my stars. I suck at tech interviews [01:39] I do hope you get one of them [03:08] : ↪︎ 💬 Ovidiu-Florin Bogdan: We can have this by ignoring upstream or with Wayland. But since Wayland is not near for us, and this is missing from it currently, I only see one option for us. Or drop it. [03:08] I say we go forward with it. What do you think? [03:08] https://integram.org/a/kG4mFs [03:48] sgclark: uploaded. [03:49] It seems like a large change for this late, but you can argue that with the release team. [03:49] ScottK: thanks! [03:50] yw [04:59] : Regarding the favour apps I think yofel once was thinking about it and it was related to some js file but can't remember now :/ [07:13] just watched the kubuntuonair ep about snappy [07:13] still trying to decide if it's good or crazy [07:14] hi val :) [07:16] wait, what? now... I watch Jupiter Broadcasting's linux podcasts, watch kubuntu podcast, listen to ubuntu podcast (uk), and You're telling me there is another i don't know? (there should be updated global list :) ) [07:17] i type too slow... ^^ [08:02] bleh :/ [08:02] Qupzilla 2.0 needs QT 5.6 = no Qupzilla 2.0 in 16.04 LTS :< [08:27] clivejo: Is there anything apparmor and mysql related in your syslog after you try starting up akonadi? === fregl_ is now known as fregl === davmor2_ is now known as davmor2 [10:48] Hiyas all === kfunk_ is now known as kfunk === JoseeAntonioR is now known as jose === freeflying__ is now known as freeflying [11:58] clivejo: If I use mysqld with the akonadi start parameters, I get your error message, and if I use mysqld-akonadi it reads it correctly. It's because the apparmor profile for usr/sbin/mysqld won't allow reading from $HOME [11:59] clivejo: You can test if that's the problem by running sudo aa-complain /usr/sbin/mysqld === mhall119_ is now known as mhall119 [12:18] Skuggen: Profile for /usr/sbin/mysqld not found, skipping [12:20] When it fails, do you get any DENIED message if you do dmesg | grep mysql? === ghostcube_ is now known as ghostcube [12:21] nothing [12:28] If you run akonadictl start in a terminal, do you get output on the full list of arguments it's trying to use to start the server? [12:29] just what I pasted before [12:31] anyone know how far sgclark got on with kubuntu-settings? [12:35] Skuggen: I’ve been messing with this for hours now and getting nowhere with it. I’m afraid my patiences is wearing dangerously thin [12:36] clivejo: what error? [12:36] yofel: kontact wont work with mysql 5.7 [12:39] stderr: "mysqld: Error on realpath() on '/var/lib/mysql-files' (Error 2 - No such file or directory) [12:39] why the hell is it trying to access /var o.O [12:40] Wait, is that the error? [12:40] that's what I get: [12:40] executable: "/usr/sbin/mysqld-akonadi" [12:40] arguments: ("--defaults-file=/home/isag/.local/share/akonadi/mysql.conf", "--datadir=/home/isag/.local/share/akonadi/db_data/", "--socket=/tmp/akonadi-isag.C3GmlR/mysql.socket") [12:40] stdout: "" [12:40] stderr: "mysqld: Error on realpath() on '/var/lib/mysql-files' (Error 2 - No such file or directory)\n2016-04-18T12:38:42.399889Z 0 [Warning] The syntax '--log_warnings/-W' is deprecated and will be removed in a future release. Please use '--log_error_verbosity' instead.\n2016-04-18T12:38:42.399933Z 0 [Warning] TIMESTAMP with implicit DEFAULT value is deprecated. Please use --explicit_defaults_for_timestamp server option (see documentation for [12:40] more details).\n2016-04-18T12:38:42.399979Z 0 [ERROR] Failed to access directory for --secure-file-priv. Please make sure that directory exists and is accessible by MySQL Server. Supplied value : /var/lib/mysql-files\n2016-04-18T12:38:42.399983Z 0 [ERROR] Aborting\n\n2016-04-18T12:38:42.399990Z 0 [Note] Binlog end\n" [12:40] exit code: 1 [12:40] clivejo: same for you? [12:41] yofel: That one I know. 5.7 by default sets secure-file-priv option while in 5.6 it was blank [12:41] Im just trying to start akonadi [12:41] I removed my /var/lib/mysql [12:42] yofel: Can you edit your mysql.conf and add secure-file-priv= to it? [12:42] kontact is dead in the water for me [12:42] clivejo: You're still getting the error about not being able to open required defaults file, right? [12:42] but works fine when I force install 5.6 [12:42] yes [12:43] but rob's changes to force us to use 5.7 are going to cause use huge problems [12:46] Skuggen: I put secure_file_priv= into the config file, now mysqld just says "exit 1", nothing to stdout or stderr [12:47] the kDE PIM software continues to cause problems for users. I wonder when the thing is finally going to be abandoned for something simpler that actually works for users, nothing but trouble since 2008. [12:52] Skuggen: oh ok, found the culprit: 2016-04-18T12:50:34.977851Z 0 [ERROR] unknown variable 'innodb_additional_mem_pool_size=1M' [12:53] yofel: Ah, the latest akonadi update should fix that [12:53] so after fixing those 2 things, akonadi starts [12:53] BluesKaj: it was working great for me up until about a week ago [12:54] I don't see any newer one? [12:54] I use it heavily and need it [12:54] yofel: Which version do you have of the package? [12:54] Newest is -0ubuntu4, I think [12:54] 4:15.12.3-0ubuntu4 [12:54] the problem was caused by a forced dep on mysql 5.7 [12:54] but that's set in the global mysql conf and in the user mysql conf [12:55] I don't think removing the key from the package will fix the existing config files [12:55] Yeah. The config is made by akonadi on first start and not by the package itself, I guess [12:55] if the config file is deleted will it be auto-generated again? [12:56] It was when I tested just now [12:56] with the patched file? [12:57] Updating the package should update all its files unless they have been edited, so I assume it would be regenerated from the updated default file [12:58] but the files are dynamically generated and depend on the user in question [12:59] I think they're generated from /etc/xdg/akonadi/mysql-global.conf [12:59] how could a package update a config file for a particular user [12:59] yes, thats the default settings for a new user [12:59] No the package updates the file in /etc/xdg/akonadi, and akonadi itself generates the user-specific config from that [13:00] or someone who deletes their config [13:00] Right [13:00] but Im an exiting user [13:00] existing [13:01] how can an updated package , update my config file? [13:01] I pinged dan in #akonadi, maybe he has a good idea how to fix the user file [13:01] this needs to work "out of the box" [13:01] at the moment this just kills akonadi and its related services stone dead [13:02] plus the details button doesnt work (probably a KDE upstream issue) but still not helpful [13:02] annoyingly enough he disabled it in the global file in 9a9f7eaa38023f70c6fa85a87359a487ccf7a48c, but wrote no migration code :( [13:04] now to find out where the server params are built... [13:05] dbconfigmysql.cpp, I think it was [13:06] indeed [13:06] There's an issue there with mysql_install_db as well [13:08] hm wait, that file already has config update code... [13:10] clivejo: this *should* work actually [13:11] Maybe it has a similar limitation on not changing edited files? [13:11] as long as the last modification time of the gloabl config is newer than the user config, the user config is overwritten [13:12] I was using apps from misc [13:13] and what akonadi version? [13:13] and as scarletts been updating those they have been getting upgraded to the archive version [13:13] but scarlett and rob had a collision [13:15] rob changed the mysql deps to 5.7, while scarlett uploaded the new verion (15.12.3) with deps on 5.6 [13:15] Skuggen: what's the recommendation for secure_file_priv? Empty, or point it to the datadir? [13:15] maybe my system was affected by that? [13:15] clivejo: I think we were pinged about this in #ubuntu-devel a few days ago? [13:15] yofel: Not datadir. For the normal package it creates its own /var/lib/mysql-files, and the server is only allowed to read files from there [13:16] clivejo: well, atleast me and yofel [13:16] Leaving it blank is the behavior from 5.6 [13:16] now that you mention it -.- [13:16] xD [13:16] Skuggen: ok, thanks [13:17] Otherwise I think the recommendation is a directory on the same level as datadir, so something like home/user/.local/share/akonadi/db_files [13:17] I guess we need a few more existing users to upgrade [13:18] see if the problem is being ironned out [13:18] actually, most "users" will probably not even be upgraded. I only have the core packages installed here, and the virtual package caused 5.6 to remain installed [13:18] unfornately I dont have the timestamp on my config file any more [13:21] clivejo: But the error on the server not being able to read the defaults-file I've only seen if it was either missing or when the server wasn't allowed to read it [13:21] I dunno :/ [13:21] right, and on a default system, that directory doesn't exist [13:22] the file does exist [13:22] but when akonadi starts it says it cant read it [13:22] right, install mysql-server and it probably will, but then you'll have a full server running [13:22] I'll just disable that in the config file [13:23] clivejo: What's the mode on the config file? [13:23] 777 like you said [13:24] That should actually give a warning that the server won't read world-writeable files [13:25] Gah, it so sounds like an apparmor issue, but that should show up in dmesg [13:26] I have done more purges and reinstalls my system doesnt know where it is, nor do I [13:30] Try renaming mysql.conf and see if the regeneration changes anything? [13:30] secure_file_priv patch up [13:30] Last night, I installed the release candidate (http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/359/builds) to physical hardware, and it behaved normally (the try / install option appeared first). This morning, starting the same release candidate in a VM dumped me straight into a live session (which I prefer, but is not as-designed). [13:31] Actually, it's odd that 5.6 accepts the file with 777 [13:31] marco-parillo: interesting [13:32] I only tested in KVM, so that'll explain why I never saw the selection dialog [13:38] dangit, I forgot the dep-3 headers in my akonadi patch -.- [13:39] ok akonadi 15.12.3 and mysql 5.7, deleted the config file and rebooted [13:39] its working [13:40] but will it stay working :/ [13:41] The last time you had it working, it stopped working after a reboot? [13:42] after an overnight shutdown [13:43] Like I said, there are issues with running 5.7 on a 5.6 database without running mysql_upgrade; any interactions with the system tables is likely to fail, i.e. user admin and such [13:43] Though I can't see that causing this kind of problem [13:43] 15 packages to update today [13:45] "Cannot connect to agent instance with identifier 'akonadi_kolab_resource_3', error message: 'Could not get owner of name 'org.freedesktop.Akonadi.Resource.akonadi_kolab_resource_3': no such name'" [13:45] strange error [13:46] * yofel sees kolab and runs [13:47] my kolab is working fine [13:47] maybe its left over from when libkolab was being a pain [13:47] I only have one kolab resourse [13:48] hummmm why is gnucash getting an upgrade so close to release date [13:48] yofel: did you see our conversation about customising the kickoff menu? === PaulW2U_ is now known as PaulW2U [13:56] clivejo: now I did. Fine with me. Not sure if LO should be there, and discover was always under "System" in the past, but Favorites is probably better [13:57] it would only affect new installs or newly created users [13:57] the idea was to build a bit of a showcase of useful apps installed by default [13:59] yeah, that's what it was in the past as well [13:59] it'll also affect LTS upgrades (whoever's crazy enough to do that) [14:02] who can make the decision on the apps? [14:02] there are 9 slits [14:02] slots [14:09] we're a doacracy, send a mail to the ML saying that you'll apply the changes if nobody objects within a day, then just do it. [14:10] : I like that, that's a really great term. Doacracy [14:10] : I gonna remember that 😃 [14:11] is kubuntu-setings the right place to do it? [14:11] AFAIK yes [14:12] hm, didn't someone say that there was a script in place already and it just didn't get applied or so? [14:14] there are scripts, but I think they are from KDE4 [14:15] that package needs work [14:15] ah sgclark *hugs* [14:15] good morning, hope you slept well [14:15] hey, seems plasma crashed on lid closed [14:15] : Busy in here today [14:15] : Good Morning [14:16] kubuntu-settings is very broken [14:16] that might be because Thursday is release day! [14:16] While it did assign those favorites it defaulted to oxygen icons [14:16] and plasma kept locking up [14:17] until I removed the package [14:17] I got too tired to mess with it more [14:17] you just added that file, nothing else? [14:17] I think we need to scrap most of it and start from new. I have no idea what is going on in there [14:17] yeah [14:18] it seems a lot is KDE4 stuff [14:18] yeah [14:18] which is redundant now [14:18] I think it is used in trusty though [14:18] so we need to be careful [14:18] we would need a new package? [14:18] the new package should never be backported to trusty... [14:19] trusty is an lts also, and supported till something crazy like 2019 [14:19] kubuntu-plasma-settings? [14:19] yes, but that has nothing to do with the xenial package [14:19] no, please just use the exiting package [14:19] oh. hi yofel [14:19] hi scarlett, thanks for working out the libc6 mess [14:19] np [14:20] if we can sort out kubuntu-settings I think we are relatively good [14:20] for release [14:20] sgclark: did I see ScottK uploaded plasma-discover 5.6? [14:20] yeah [14:20] he did [14:21] I havent seen it come from the archive yet [14:21] I also saw someone accepting it in binary NEW [14:21] is it stuck? [14:22] http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/plasma-discover is still saying 5.5.5-0ubuntu2 [14:23] packages.ubuntu.com is delayed by "days" in my experience, please always look at launchpad for queue processing [14:23] oh, published an hour ago [14:24] * clivejo tries an update [14:24] lolwhat, what's with the absurd amount of app config overrides in -settings o.O [14:24] this will also fix snele's problem with the plasmoid? [14:26] so if we released a new kubuntu-settings into xenial archive it would not affect previous releases unless it was backported? [14:27] yeah, I was just confusing myself [14:27] * sgclark is easily confused these days [14:27] most of that could be stripped out? [14:27] http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/all/kubuntu-settings-desktop/filelist [14:27] yeah I think we need to scrap most of it [14:28] do we have a custom help app? [14:28] not that I know of [14:29] there used to be a life ring on a launcher for help [14:29] we did have our custom content in khelpcenter in the past, but that was years ago [14:29] but havent seen that in a long time [14:29] that is khelpcenter [14:29] does that work, should it be put on the default favourites [14:29] the icon line did not work clivejo [14:29] * clivejo uses google for help [14:30] but I think it would look terrible in breeze dark anyway [14:30] Im running breeze [14:30] looks fine here [14:31] BTW I looked at how OpenSUSE brand plasma [14:31] found clues to how they do it [14:31] https://www.rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/opensuse/updates/42.1/aarch64/plasma5-desktop-branding-openSUSE-13.3-35.1.aarch64.html [14:31] maybe not that one [14:31] thats docs [14:31] I can't imagine it would be terribly hard. We never had branding on purpose, that was Jonathans vision. [14:32] up to yofel now how much branding we want. [14:32] was this archive ftp://195.220.108.108/linux/opensuse/ports/update/42.1/aarch64/plasma5-workspace-branding-openSUSE-13.3-35.1.aarch64.rpm [14:32] FWIW, my vote would be to continue the practice of little/no branding. [14:34] I'm all for adding *a bit* more branding, but lets talk about that for the next release === rdieter is now known as rdieter_work [14:34] I can spend some time later on that package [14:34] its more the hacking I enjoy! [14:35] sounds reasonable [14:38] should I open an FFE for kubuntu-settings in preparation? [14:39] if anything it needs a lot of stuff removed [14:40] or are we past the point of no return [14:40] * clivejo just got the plasma-discover 5.6 update :) === yofel changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly computing | Final Freeze in effect | Plasma 5.5.5: X/archive, Apps 15.12.3: X/archive, FW 5.18: X/archive | https://trello.com/kubuntu | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | Package Docs (WIP) https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-packaging [14:43] we are past the point of no return since a couple days ago, so just file the FFE === nodoubleg is now known as nodoubleg-afk [14:49] yofel sgclark: Bug 1571688 [14:49] bug 1571688 in kubuntu-settings (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Remove KDE4 stuff and update to apply to Plasma 5" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1571688 [14:49] that sound ok? [14:51] You usually use 3rd person perspective in descriptions, otherwise yes. [14:51] bug 1560404 is also still there [14:51] bug 1560404 in kubuntu-settings (Ubuntu) "Live session desktop uses to small folder view widget " [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1560404 [14:52] sgclark: I've been told to direct hugs to you [14:52] sgclark: *hugs* [14:53] shadeslayer: ?! [14:53] is that bug fixable in kubuntu-settings [14:53] are you questioning hugs? :O [14:53] shadeslayer: /hugs [14:53] lol [14:53] sgclark: but ref, apparently you had to deal with libc6 transitions :D === estan_ is now known as estan [14:53] ah [14:53] yeah [14:54] I have to head out and get some paperwork done [14:54] ttyl [14:54] see yas! [14:55] * sgclark stares blankly at cantor test regressions [14:58] only changes I see is translations... [14:58] * sgclark cries [15:00] yofel: ping [15:00] hm? [15:01] yofel: what this proposal form you mail means exactly @ "Short" for Xenial. You suggest to support it for 2 years ? [15:01] see below in the mail? ^^ (it's 3) [15:02] so it'll go EOL around 18.04.2 [15:03] ah i see, good point [15:05] so far kylin is the only flavor that replied with 5, all others 3 [15:06] yofel: any hints on how to track down a test regression. Only changes I see are translations [15:06] sgclark: maybe it needs one of those output format plugins? [15:06]