[04:34] <hikiko> hi
[06:40] <pitti> Good morning
[08:02] <darkxst> hey seb128, I will deal with the grilo-plugins soon, too sick with flu to much the last couple of days
[08:02] <darkxst> but do see my last comment, perhaps stay with .17 and revert the standalone apple plugin
[08:03] <Laney> morning
[08:03] <darkxst> hey Laney
[08:05] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:06] <seb128> Laney, hey, had a good w.e?
[08:06] <seb128> darkxst, k, no worry, we might miss release though which is slightly annoying
[08:07] <seb128> need to go back to enforce ffes next cycle to avoid such issues
[08:08] <Laney> yes thanks, hung out with henry who can talk a bit now!
[08:08] <Laney> and did some digging at the allotment and planted strawberries
[08:08] <Laney> you?
[08:08] <Laney> good travel?
[08:08] <darkxst> seb128, it was an honest mistake on my part...
[08:09] <andyrock> morning all
[08:10] <seb128> Laney, yeah, good w.e, visiter city park on saturday before flying on the afternoon, flight was ok (full so I could only get a sit in the middle, and sound was cuting every 30s on the av system in my seat)
[08:10] <seb128> hey andyrock
[08:10] <Laney> night flight?
[08:10] <seb128> darkxst, no worry, it's just that I usually check on -changes/uploads, I guess I assumed that was a bugfix upload
[08:10] <Laney> did you sleep?
[08:11] <Laney> hi andyrock and darkxst
[08:11] <darkxst> does anyone still use thunderbird? is it hanging constantly for anyone else?
[08:11] <seb128> Laney, 4:30pm, and not really a bit too early for that, snoozeed for an hour or so ... but we didn't have crazy late night during the week so I was not super tired
[08:11] <Laney> nod
[08:12] <seb128> I managed to stay up until 11pm yesterday
[08:12] <darkxst> seb128, it was meant to be a stable update, but on looking into it further, they backported some pretty invasive changes
[08:12] <seb128> tennis on TV helped :p
[08:12] <Laney> looking forward to hear the crazy decisions from that meeting :P
[08:12] <seb128> darkxst, I use tb, no hang here
[08:12] <darkxst> seb128, w/ LDAP?
[08:12] <seb128> darkxst, and yeah, having to change the .install should have hinted you that there was some refactoring
[08:12] <seb128> no ldap no
[08:12] <seb128> just imap
[08:13] <darkxst> seb128, thats part of the problem, I prepared the packaging moons ago
[08:13] <seb128> Laney, no crazy decision don't worry, the planning makes mostly sense imho
[08:14] <darkxst> let me try disable LDAP and see if that helps, though it only started hanging 2 weeks ago
[08:14] <seb128> Laney, summary is "more phone work for the phone team", "more snappy work for the snappy team" and desktop to get an unity8 session by next cycle but no speak of making it default before 17.04 or later
[08:15] <seb128> lot of time spent trying to figure out how to not hate gcc as much
[08:15] <Laney> the compiler?
[08:15] <seb128> yes
[08:16] <seb128> they are really screwed by the C++ ABI change from previous cycle
[08:16] <seb128> and they don't know how they can handle it without invalidating devices or part of the store
[08:17] <seb128> the current store doesn't support having several versions of a same application
[08:18] <Laney> roh
[08:18] <seb128> which they could fix, but the store team has no resources/interest to work on the non snappy part atm
[08:18] <Laney> so you can't build an old version and a new one
[08:18] <seb128> no
[08:19] <Laney> :(
[08:19] <seb128> indeed
[08:20] <seb128> spent a good part of the week trying to figure that out
[08:20] <seb128> discussion included rebuilding with the old abi in a xenial overlay (but that one was discarded)
[08:21] <seb128> ABI changes really suck
[08:21] <seb128> direct result is that they are probably not going to update to xenial before a while
[08:21] <seb128> probably not next cycle
[08:21] <Laney> if you don't control all the dependencies
[08:22] <Laney> does snappy fix this problem?
[08:22] <Laney> probably not for the compiler
[08:22] <seb128> no
[08:22] <seb128> right, not for the compiler
[08:22] <seb128> it would fix it for random libs
[08:23] <seb128> since you would just bandle the version you need
[08:23] <seb128> but if it's an interface with the system then if ABI change you are screwed
[08:23] <Laney> click has the same though, the problem is in the base system
[08:23] <seb128> right
[08:23] <seb128> hopefully gcc doesn't do that again any time soon
[08:23] <seb128> but yeah, really sucks
[08:24] <seb128> they are now talking about shipping a container with the old stack on the image or similar solutions
[08:25] <Laney> build the old library without a -dev package or something?
[08:25] <Laney> or symbol problems maybe
[08:25] <flexiondotorg> Morning.
[08:25] <flexiondotorg> This bugs has been getting referenced more and more in recent weeks - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/1522922
[08:25] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1522922 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "Screen flickering in Intel i915 driver" [High,Triaged]
[08:26] <flexiondotorg> Which team can I follow up with?
[08:26] <Laney> #ubuntu-x
[08:26] <flexiondotorg> I have a computer that is affected.
[08:26] <flexiondotorg> Laney, ty
[08:28] <seb128> Laney, anyway, no crazy plans, phone team needs to deliver device updates for partner so there are on a sensible roadmap for those and are stuggling on the side to see how they can deal with xenial and snappy but don't want to put things at risk so those are delayed work
[08:28] <seb128> desktop is more of "need to get ready for converge/new stack/etc by the next LTS"
[08:29] <seb128> so should be reasonable
[08:31] <seb128> Laney, oh, are you in London?
[08:32] <seb128> I almost forgot that it was 16.04 week!
[08:33] <Laney> nah
[08:33] <Laney> I'm going down tomorrow
[08:33] <seb128> ah ok
[08:33] <seb128> I'm coming on thursday for the day only
[08:34] <Laney> so I heard
[08:34] <Laney> and I'm suspicious as to why :P
[08:34]  * Laney is a paranoid person
[08:35] <seb128> lol
[08:35] <Laney> it'll be good to have you there for release day ;-)
[08:35] <seb128> ;-)
[08:35] <seb128> I think willcooke wanted to do 1 day at the office
[08:36] <seb128> so syncing with release is a good opportunity to do that
[08:38] <seb128> speaking of release I wonder what to do with the hud & g-s rename items next
[08:38] <seb128> Laney, do you have other desktop release issues that you know of?
[08:39] <seb128> I guess Sweet5hark missed the slot for his bugfix libreoffice upload :-/
[08:42] <Laney> You can upload and leave it in the queue
[08:42] <Laney> or maybe block in proposed to get the builds done
[08:42] <seb128> yeah, I'm unsure, if gets nacked and that it turns out we need another g-s or unity upload to fix some other issues it's complicating things then
[08:43] <Laney> Libreoffice
[08:43] <seb128> ah, right
[08:43] <seb128> yeah, I was thinking that
[08:43] <Laney> build times aren't a problem for the others so much
[08:43] <Laney> + silo
[08:43] <seb128> but Sweet5hark didn't come back since thursday
[08:43] <seb128> so wondering if he found some issue with the update
[08:43] <seb128> Sweet5hark, hey? ;-)
[09:19] <seb128> Laney, I think you didn't explicitely reply, but are you aware of any realease issue we should be looking at?
[09:20] <seb128> I tried to keep an eye on IRC/emails/etc during the sprint but I was not always online and I might have missed things
[09:21] <Laney> hmm, not right now
[09:22] <Laney> I'm looking at g-cal 3.20.1 and then the sponsor queue
[09:23] <seb128> k
[09:24] <Sweet5hark> heya all.
[09:24] <Laney> iso / upgrade testing I guess is always helpful ;-)
[09:24] <Laney> hi Sweet5hark
[09:27] <Sweet5hark> seb128: well, I removed one of the patches and it build fine. I havent smoketested it yet. I decided not doing this in a rush as most of the crashers where crash-on-exit so no loss of data.
[09:28] <Sweet5hark> seb128: so, just keeping this ready -to-go in case the situation changes.
[09:30] <seb128> hey Sweet5hark
[09:30] <seb128> Laney, yeah, I started doing some iso testing
[09:30] <seb128> looks mostly good so far
[09:30] <seb128> Sweet5hark, k, SRU it is then I guess
[09:35] <Sweet5hark> seb128: yep
[10:26] <darkxst> ``pand
[10:27] <Laney> nice password
[10:27] <darkxst> gah! how does slack input end up in IRC?
[10:28] <darkxst> Laney, not password!
[10:28] <Laney> sure sure :)
[10:29] <darkxst> would
[10:30] <darkxst> I really set my password as the most annoying person on slack, that he is trying to help, so he gets the benefit of doubt
[11:11]  * Laney joined that slack thing
[11:12] <Laney> now I can picture while I IRC
[11:15] <Fudge> what slack thing?
[11:17] <ogra_`> Laney, http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/slack-webapp_0.1_all.deb if youi dont want to search the tab all the time in your browser ;)
[11:17] <Laney> ogra_`: hrhr
[11:17] <Laney> I closed the tab already and will probably never open it again
[11:17] <ogra_`> (also brings an icon for the launcher)
[11:17] <ogra_`> haha
[11:18] <Laney> do you have some team in there?
[11:18]  * ogra_` really tired it for a while ... 
[11:18] <ogra_`> only the community team that jorge maintains
[11:18] <ogra_`> ( "warthogs" community team actually ... )
[11:19] <ogra_`> but i'm to old school i guess ... really cant let xchat go
[11:22] <Fudge> irssi is awesome
[11:34] <davmor2> ogra_`: try hexchat at least it has developers ;)
[11:35] <ogra_`> davmor2, thats what i'm using on my xenial laptop now ... since xchat is gone from the archive
[11:36] <davmor2> seb128, Laney: in gnome-software can you actually find cli apps?
[11:40]  * ogra_` thinks only if they have a .desktop file 
[11:40] <ogra_`> (htop does for example)
[11:42] <Laney> Correct
[11:43] <davmor2> ogra_`: yeah that's what I'm thinking it mean about 50% of our archive vanishes
[11:43] <ogra_`> davmor2, not much different to ubuntu-software though
[11:44] <ogra_`> that also only indexed .desktop files
[11:48] <davmor2> ogra_`: type in pass in software center and gnome software you'll see the difference right there, USC shows terminal based apps with a default icon but gnome-software just shows none
[11:49] <Laney> It is intentional
[11:50] <davmor2> Laney: awesome thanks
[11:50] <Laney> You can install those things another way - gnome-software is trying to show more relevant and better things to people
[11:51] <davmor2> Laney: indeed thanks
[11:51] <Laney> np!
[11:51] <davmor2> Laney: plus if you know how to use the command line you'll most likely use apt anyway
[11:52]  * Laney puts Ultravox on loud
[11:52] <Laney> apt or synaptic both are still there, yeah
[11:52] <davmor2> Laney: OHhhhhhhhh Vienna
[11:52] <Laney> DANCINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
[11:52] <Laney> WITH TEARS IN MY EYESSSS
[11:54] <Laney> (ode to software-center)
[11:54] <davmor2> weeping for the memory of a life on by
[11:54] <davmor2> gone even
[12:41] <desrt> happy monday, desktop
[12:44] <Laney> hi desrt!
[12:45] <desrt> morning Laney
[12:45] <desrt> good weekend?
[12:45] <Laney> how goes?
[12:45] <Laney> yeah!
[12:45] <desrt> i'm sore :p
[12:45] <Laney> visited henry
[12:45] <Laney> he thinks my name is "ears"
[12:45] <desrt> :)
[12:45] <Laney> and points to his ears
[12:45] <Laney> when people ask who I am
[12:45] <desrt> curious
[12:46] <Laney> I guess Iain and Ears are kind of similar
[12:46] <desrt> ah.  that's a good theory.
[12:47] <Laney> care to elaborate on your soreness?!?!?!
[12:47] <desrt> lots of ingress this weekend :p
[12:47] <Laney> neat
[12:48] <Laney> impressed you are keeping this up
[12:48] <desrt> probably biked and walked 30km each
[12:48] <desrt> actually, according to my fitbit, walked closer to 50
[12:49] <desrt> Laney: it's a wonderful sickness to have :)
[12:50] <desrt> explored this gigantic bird sanctuary area that juts out of toronto into lake ontario
[12:50] <desrt> absolutely beautiful
[12:55] <Laney> nice
[12:55] <Laney> guess it's a good time of year for that
[12:56] <desrt> the best
[13:07] <dobey> Trevinho: huh. I am certainly not seeing a GtkMenuBar in the windows where this happens. and the menus aren't arranged as a single drop down.
[13:08] <Trevinho> dobey: you refer to missing menus?
[13:12] <dobey> Trevinho: yes
[13:13] <Trevinho> dobey: I see... menus are there though, in terms of exported stuff I think.. have you tried to use HUD or to launch the script I posted in the bug?
[13:15] <dobey> Trevinho: yes, the menus are there and exported; they just aren't visible in the title bar. if i use Alt+f it will pop up the file menu in most apps, and i can navigate the rest of the menus with arrow keys for example
[13:17] <dobey> Trevinho: i didn't see any script, but admittedly i didn't look much beyond clicking the "me too" thing at the top :)
[13:17] <Trevinho> dobey: I've lots of problems in reproducing the issue... I mean, I never got that. But from what I see I've the feeling that it's something up to gtk menu model at libappmenu level. It's like it doesn't load the menus. NOthing changed there (at least since vivid/wily), but I think that there's a race
[13:18] <seb128> hey desrt
[13:19] <Trevinho> dobey: as an experiment, you could try to do this: add the wily version of gtk some where, edit unity-panel-service.conf upstart job so that it exports the LD_LIBRARY_PATH to where the old libgtk is, and try to see if using that it will work
[13:19] <desrt> g'morning, seb
[13:20] <Trevinho> so we can figure out where the bug is, but I've like the impression is somewhat gtk related.
[13:20] <seb128> hey Trevinho
[13:20] <Trevinho> hey seb128!
[13:23] <dobey> Trevinho: it does indeed seem gtk+ related
[13:24] <dobey> Trevinho: hmm, restarting unity-panel-service did resolve the issue in the current session, at least temporarily
[13:24] <Trevinho> dobey: yeah, it's a known workaround
[13:25] <Trevinho> dobey: I've been tempted also to just add a "sleep" to the unity-panel-service.conf. to see if something changes
[13:25] <Trevinho> not that i'd love that, but...
[13:25] <dobey> that killed my rhythmbox and empathy though :-/
[13:25] <Trevinho> weird...
[13:25] <dobey> i guess because they were started from the indicators
[13:25] <Trevinho> Or, maybe because you launched them trhough messaging indicators'
[13:25] <Trevinho> eh, that's the thing
[13:25] <Trevinho> although it shouldn't do that,
[13:25] <dobey> but still
[13:26] <Trevinho> not sure what they use to launch, but I guess not gappcontext at this point
[13:32] <attente> Laney: can we do another release today?
[13:58] <desrt> attente: good morning :)
[14:32] <xnox> can anybody explain how to run a headless (no display :0, no vt7) lightdm vncserver?
[14:33] <Laney> attente: it's pretty late, but maybe
[14:33] <Laney> I'd file bugs for things you fixed and then they can become SRU bugs if necessary
[15:04] <desrt> zomg
[15:04] <desrt> i just upgraded my system and firefox is installed
[15:04] <desrt> what happened?!
[15:05] <seb128> upgraded from what to what?
[15:05] <Laney> debian?
[15:05] <desrt> iceweasel
[15:05] <seb128> oh
[15:05] <Laney> the rename happened a while ago
[15:05] <seb128> lol
[15:05] <Laney> I think
[15:05] <ximion> jup
[15:06]  * desrt feels the stupid in the world decrease by a single notch
[15:06]  * desrt sheds a tear for the weasel
[15:21] <seb128> andyrock, hey
[15:21] <seb128> andyrock, is there anything in unity's stack that use "gnome-software.desktop"?
[15:24] <seb128> or org.gnome.Software.desktop rather
[15:24] <andyrock> We use org.gnome.software.desktop
[15:24] <seb128> seems it's used in tests
[15:24] <andyrock> In the settimgs schema
[15:25] <seb128> right
[15:25] <andyrock> And in the tests
[15:25] <seb128> I was wondering if there is any code path also depending on the name
[15:25] <seb128> we are going to need to rename it
[15:25] <andyrock> Not that i remember
[15:25] <seb128> k, thanks
[15:25] <andyrock> *can
[15:25] <seb128> so should be a "simple" sed in unity source
[15:25] <andyrock> I ll check better
[15:26] <seb128> thanks
[15:26] <Laney> maybe we just rename this for everyone
[15:26] <Laney> it's the same forked thing for all flavours anyway
[15:26] <seb128> yeah, that's one option
[15:27] <seb128> some flavors might like better the upstream name
[15:27] <Laney> multiple desktop files are annoying
[15:27] <Laney> like we have to remember to X-AppStream-Ignore one of them otherwise you're going to get it two times
[15:28] <seb128> right
[15:37] <Laney> brb
[17:07] <Laney> night
[17:07] <Laney> see you from the train / office
[17:08] <seb128> Laney, 'night, have a good trip tomorrow!
[18:19] <jcastro> ais gnome-software supposed to show snaps yet?
[18:23] <xclaesse> are there known issues with samba share on ubuntu 16.04? if I simply share a folder from nautilus, my windows machine on the same network won't see it
[18:26] <ogra_> jcastro, it does here
[18:26] <ogra_> hmm, though i installed the clock app and calculator from the cmdline ... not sure it would have shown them before
[18:27] <ogra_> (it definitely shows them now and knows they are installed)
[18:28] <seb128> xclaesse, no, but I don't know how much testing that gets so I wouldn't be surprised if it had issues...
[18:29] <seb128> jcastro, check with attente, proper support is not in the archive but he mentioned earlier than the archive version might list those
[18:42] <attente> the archive version shows snaps, but has no support for them otherwise
[18:45] <jcastro> are snaps in a specific section or something? I can't seem to find them
[18:46] <attente> you'd have to search explicitly for them