[04:05] <HickorySmokedBac> Is this the "ubuntu phone" channel ?
[04:05] <duflu> HickorySmokedBac: Yes, as far as I know
[04:05] <duflu> Although I had heard it said this is the development channel (not for users)
[04:05] <duflu> Not sure
[04:05] <HickorySmokedBac> duflu: Have they began to roll out?
[04:05] <HickorySmokedBac> Oh
[04:06] <duflu> Looks like it's for users
[04:06] <HickorySmokedBac> I'm wondering if they are going to start rolling out, cost , carriers, etc..
[04:07] <HickorySmokedBac> If it can be put on Pageplus (Verizon reseller)
[04:07] <HickorySmokedBac> so forth
[04:07] <duflu> HickorySmokedBac: I'm not sure how international the rollout is yet. But there is:  http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/devices
[04:08] <HickorySmokedBac> Woah those are some high dollar phone
[04:08] <HickorySmokedBac> s
[04:08] <HickorySmokedBac> OK, never mind. eBay it is
[04:08] <HickorySmokedBac> yeah.. those are pretty speced out
[04:08] <duflu> HickorySmokedBac: We also support the Nexus4/5 with Ubuntu touch if you can find those
[04:09] <duflu> I find the Nexus4 to be unsually well performing with Ubuntu Touch. Despite being "old"
[04:10] <HickorySmokedBac> duflu: I imagine I'll just get a Moto G 3G first edition XT1028
[04:10] <HickorySmokedBac> I aint spending more than $40 on a phone
[04:11] <duflu> HickorySmokedBac: Sure. Just FYI if you were particularly wanting Ubuntu Touch then a second-hand Nexus 4 or 5 is probably the best option
[04:11] <HickorySmokedBac> Less I become rich.. Then ya know, all taht extra stuff is good later.
[04:11] <HickorySmokedBac> The storage is small and camera is 5 MP is my only problem with the XT1028
[05:03] <knightwise> morning guys
[05:10] <lotuspsychje> knightwise: hello
[05:15] <knightwise> hey lotuspsychje :) How are you
[05:17] <lotuspsychje> fine fine tnx
[07:57] <tsdgeos> anyone knowledgeable as how the language-pack-touch-XX packages are created?
[08:03] <tsdgeos> seb128: do you know about how the language-pack-touch-XX packages are created?
[08:03] <seb128> tsdgeos, hey, sort of yes, why?
[08:04] <tsdgeos> seb128: seems we're missing one file (the ubuntu-ui-toolkit one)
[08:04] <seb128> translations are exported by launchpad and https://launchpad.net/langpack-o-matic is used to build the langpacks
[08:04] <jibel> tsdgeos, it is known. sil2100 is handling it.
[08:04] <seb128> that was fixed some days ago
[08:05] <tsdgeos> jibel: is there a bug for it so i can reassign the bug i have about it?
[08:05] <seb128> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-langpack/langpack-o-matic/main/revision/560
[08:05] <seb128> tsdgeos, ^
[08:05] <seb128> Bug #1567377: Select text popup not localized
[08:05] <ubot5`> bug 1567377 in Canonical System Image "Select text popup not localized" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1567377
[08:05] <jibel> tsdgeos, yes there is a bug, I don't remember the number though
[08:05] <seb128> ^
[08:05] <tsdgeos> tx
[08:05] <seb128> jibel, lut, bien rentré ?
[08:05] <sil2100> It should be fixed in rc-proposed
[08:06] <jibel> tsdgeos, bug 1566341 is the master bug I tihnk
[08:06] <ubot5`> bug 1566341 in Canonical System Image "Missing translations in the indicators" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1566341
[08:06] <jibel> salut seb128 bien rentré et toi?
[08:07] <jibel> seb128, it took me nearly as much time to go from cdg to my home than slc to paris :)
[08:07] <seb128> :-/
[08:07] <jibel> seb128, a car was on fire on the railway, and we've been blocked for ages
[08:07] <seb128> rien de spécial à signalé, bon retour ;-)
[08:07] <seb128> urg
[08:08] <seb128> there was construction work and less trains here
[08:08] <seb128> but I was home at 12
[08:17] <Smurphy> Hmmm. Just wondering. Why is my BQ-4.5 Aquaris not issuing a sound when I receive a message. it's configured in the audio-settings, and I added an own audio sound (r2d2 actually).
[08:17] <Smurphy> Any hints on how to troubleshoot that ?
[10:18] <Walex> Smurphy: that "works for me"
[10:46] <Smurphy> WEll - it should. When I get a text-message however, no beep. it just vibrate (I configured it to do both).
[10:52] <Sander^home> Hi
[10:53] <Sander^home> My E4.5 locked itself up. Impossible to take the phone or power cycle it.
[10:53] <Sander^home> Anyone know what I can do?
[10:54] <Smurphy> Weird. Anything special you did ?
[10:54] <Smurphy> Eventually a reset could help. Does it boot or not ?
[10:54] <Sander^home> Its been on for a long time without use.
[10:55] <Sander^home> I cant get it to shut down.
[10:56] <Sander^home> Maybe it was becouse I choose "connect and sync", from a phone on the same usb hub.
[10:58] <Smurphy> That, I don't know.
[10:58] <Smurphy> I acually use mine.
[10:59] <Sander^home> Looks like the screen isnt responding.
[10:59] <Smurphy> http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/276626-60-minutes-hacks-congressmans-phone-for-security-report 8lol*
[10:59] <Sander^home> Its possible to call the phone, but not take the phone.
[11:02] <cariveri> Hi. Is there a way to see the log or commandline of an app that I launched?
[11:02] <Smurphy> Sander^home: You had enabled remote access to it ?
[11:05] <Acou_Bass> Sander^home: can you not pull the battery?
[11:07] <ogra_`> Sander^home, holding the power button for 20sec or so definitely does a hard reset
[11:24] <Sander^home> ogra_`: thanks! Worked:)
[11:35] <cariveri> mzanetti: hey. the vlc remote doesnt connect. ping connection is fine between the devices. and followed the vlc instructions here: http://hobbyistsoftware.com/vlcsetup-linux .
[11:35] <cariveri> mzanetti: please help.
[11:35] <mzanetti> ?
[11:35] <mzanetti> I've no clue about VLC
[11:36] <mzanetti> I can tell the logo, but that's pretty much about it :)
[11:36] <ogra_`> oh, that reminds me ... mzanetti seems there is a bug in kodimote where the search doesnt work if you search for multiple words
[11:37] <ogra_`> (using it with openelec here)
[11:37] <ogra_`> single word works fine ... (looks like a quoting issue)
[11:37] <mzanetti> it's more of a filter than a search, but I can have a look. Please report it here: https://github.com/mzanetti/kodimote/issues
[11:37] <ogra_`> will do
[11:37] <mzanetti> ta
[11:42] <Acou_Bass> cariveri: the VLC remote is a bit finnnicky for me too, usually have to restart the app then it wakes up
[11:45] <cariveri> Acou_Bass: the confirm button just doesnt trigger anything. and i found something in the logviwer.
[11:46] <cariveri> Acou_Bass: it reads : an apparmor policy prevents this sender from sending this message to this recipient
[11:46] <Acou_Bass> sorry, ive no idea what that means hehe
[11:47] <cariveri> alright:) was worth a shot. I guess there is an access restriction somewhere.
[13:13] <mike00> hi all, is correct when I receive a Telegram notification, the phone desn't ring?
[13:20] <teve_> mike00: afaik it's known bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1413818
[13:20] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1413818 in Canonical System Image "Notification sounds aren't being played back on E4.5 (ubuntu-push restricts directories and block custom sounds)" [Critical,Fix committed]
[14:32] <Smurphy> teve_: Very old bug ...
[15:37] <faenil> mzanetti: hey, do we have any guideline on the number of pixels that a GU might be, across all devices?
[15:37] <faenil> is it just a hardcoded integer, or do we have any other rule like "it has to be multiple of X" or anything like thaT?
[15:38] <ogra_> we used to have a table in the old porting guide
[15:38] <ogra_> even a formula you could use
[15:38] <faenil> I'm trying to avoid having non-pixel-aligned assets in components, but without a rule it's pretty much impossible
[15:39] <faenil> ogra_: ok, but there's no guarantee on the relationship between numbers that the formula will output, on different devices, right?
[15:40] <ogra_> i think there is
[15:40] <mzanetti> it's just an arbirary integer
[15:41] <ogra_> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/phone/devices/porting-new-device/ ... see "Screen Pixel Ratio" (funnily under "Debugging")
[15:41] <ogra_> sadly the formula is gone from that doc
[15:41] <faenil> ogra_: I don't see any relationship between the numbers, the formula depends on arbitrary factors
[15:42] <faenil> "It is primarily dependent on the pixel density of the device’s screen and the distance to the screen the user is at. That second value cannot be automatically detected and is based on heuristics"
[15:42]  * ogra_ uses a ruler when porting to actually determine the right value :P
[15:43] <faenil> let's say I have a vertical line of 2dp, on my laptop that will be 2px, on Nexus7 that will be 2.5px, i.e. blurry
[15:43] <faenil> ogra_: I don't think I'm explaining myself here :)
[15:43] <faenil> +properly
[15:44] <faenil> there is no way to guarantee that line will always be at the same time sharp and properly positioned, afaict
[15:45] <ogra_> ah, no
[15:45] <faenil> yeah, I hoped we had something in place to avoid that. Ok ;)
[15:45] <ogra_> positioned is the master in that ...
[15:46] <faenil> I'm not sure, looking at how bad the scrollbar arrow icon looks on my monitor, I think I'd rather have a sharp pic which is slightly offset.
[15:46] <faenil> To anyone who's following: I think a decent rule here is to make sure the asset/graphics/UIpiece is pixel aligned on the device that has the lowest pixel-per-GU value
[15:47] <faenil> make it pixel-aligned on 8px/GU
[15:47] <faenil> then if it will be not aligned on 12px+/GU, the blurriness will be less annoying
[15:47] <ogra_> i know we have two fixed GU values for phones ... to make sure the positioning is the same everywhere ... i.e. the bq 4.5 has 40gu width ... while a hi res phone like the mx4 has 50gu  .... the actual GRID_UNIT_PX variable is adjusted to these values
[15:47] <faenil> ogra_: yeah I'm aware of that
[15:48] <faenil> it doesn't really help :)
[15:49] <ogra_> well, it was a mgmt request to do it this way
[15:49] <faenil> unless you can afford sticking to integer GU sizes, of course
[15:49] <faenil> sure, not saying it's right or wrong, just saying that the problem remains
[15:49] <ogra_> the 40/50 thing is mandatory
[15:49] <faenil> sure
[15:50] <faenil> my "unless" sentence was related to UI components/assets sizing in apps
[15:50] <faenil> if you can, you should always have integer-GU sizes. When you can't (for instance when the asset is smaller than 1GU) then you're on your own :)
[15:51] <mzanetti> faenil, yeah, I remember on frieza the formula was: what gets us closest do 90gu on the short edge
[15:51] <faenil> the best thing I can think of is what I said above, make sure it's pixel aligned on 8px/GU, as that's where not being pixel aligned creates the worst result
[15:52] <mzanetti> faenil, we can ship different assets per gu
[15:52] <mzanetti> which I guess is a bit broken
[15:52] <mzanetti> it works as promised, but we can't ship 40 versions of each icon
[15:52] <faenil> hehe, yeah, that may work for assets, won't work for lines/etc
[15:53] <ogra_> we can ... the desktop does :P
[15:53] <mzanetti> hah
[15:53] <mzanetti> faenil, what "lines"?
[15:53] <ogra_> the blurred ones :)
[15:53] <mzanetti> there's at least 2 versions already
[15:54] <faenil> mzanetti: see the example above, say you draw a line in QML, make it units.dp(2). That will be pixel aligned on my laptop (hence sharp) and blurry on Nexus7
[15:54] <faenil> 2dp wide ^
[15:54] <mzanetti> I think units.dp has magic builtin to be pixel aligned
[15:54] <faenil> mzanetti: now you're talking
[15:54]  * faenil checks the code
[15:54] <mzanetti> which is the whole point of it... otherwise you'd use units.gu(0.1)
[15:55] <mzanetti> also afaik unity.gu() will pixel align too provided you use something dividable by 0.5
[15:56] <mzanetti> ie. never use something like units.gu(0.7)
[15:56] <mzanetti> but 0.5, 1, 5.5 etc should be fine
[15:56] <mzanetti> that's what I've been told, I never digged into the actual meat of it myself
[15:56] <faenil> mzanetti: so there's no device with 21px/GU ?
[15:56] <faenil> and there will never be one?
[15:56] <mzanetti> oh, I think there is
[15:56] <faenil> :D
[15:57] <mzanetti> I mean, in the code, never use "units.gu(.7)"
[15:57] <faenil> but you said "0.5 should be fine"
[15:57] <mzanetti> but if you use straight numbers (of .5), then it should work, regardless of the pxpgu value
[15:57] <faenil> which is false, as that would be 10.5px
[15:57] <faenil> I don't see how that's different than 0.7
[15:57] <faenil> (even if they're both rounded)
[15:58] <mzanetti> again, that's what I've been told when I wrote my very first patch for unity8. I never really questioned it tbh
[15:58] <faenil> ok
[15:59] <mzanetti> faenil, greyback or Kaleo shoudl know details
[15:59] <faenil> mzanetti: we still have the problem of shipping one asset per GU, fwiw
[15:59] <faenil> (to be able to handle all cases)
[16:00] <faenil> http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qguiapplication.html#devicePixelRatio
[16:00] <faenil> + http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/staging/view/head:/src/Ubuntu/Components/plugin/ucunits.cpp#L141
[16:00] <faenil> dp returns a float
[16:00] <faenil> and m_devicePixelRatio is a float
[16:00] <mzanetti> yes
[16:00] <mzanetti> hmm
[16:00] <faenil> so, nothing ensures dp is pixel-aligned
[16:00] <greyback> faenil: units.gu always returns an integer. Using it for positioning should place things on the pixel boundary
[16:01] <faenil> greyback: talking about non-integer-GU cases here
[16:01] <faenil> (such as thin lines, small assets, etc)
[16:01] <greyback> faenil: m_devicePixelRatio *can* be a float, but it will never actually be (in Qt5.4)
[16:01] <greyback> yes the api says float, but we only stick ints in there
[16:01] <faenil> greyback: 1) it will be pretty soon, 2) dp still returns float
[16:02] <faenil> return qRound(value * ratio) / m_devicePixelRatio;
[16:02] <faenil> either I'm missing something or that can easily return a float number of px
[16:02] <mzanetti> faenil, on a device with GRID_UNIT_PX=21, units.gu(.5) returns 11 for me
[16:03] <greyback> faenil: (1) I've found no evidence for. (2) yes, but if DPR is 2, then the effective result of that formula is qRound(value * ratio) / m_dPR * DPR = Round(value * ratio) \in \ZZ
[16:03] <greyback> err latex crept in there, sorry
[16:03] <faenil> haha
[16:03] <faenil> nw
[16:04] <greyback> faenil: if dpr > 1, then whatever we return from dp/gu will be multiplied by DPR by Qt internally, to get the raw pixel value
[16:04] <greyback> hence the divide
[16:04] <faenil> greyback: oh, right, then ok
[16:06] <faenil> greyback: what does Qt apply that multiplication to? i.e. what's the criteria
[16:06] <faenil> is dp installed as "unit" or something?
[16:06] <faenil> or is it just because it's used as value for QtQuick sizes
[16:06] <faenil> (the latter, I guess)
[16:07] <mzanetti> faenil, I've sent a screenshot with a test app via teelgram
[16:07] <faenil> mzanetti: seen
[16:07] <mzanetti> units.gu() does return only integers, regardless of what you feed it
[16:08] <greyback> faenil: almost everything in QML is sized in device-independent pixels, which Qt will scale to physical pixels by multiplying by dpr
[16:08] <faenil> mzanetti: sure, dp does as well, I was just not considering that Qt will multiply that by DPR, that's why it works
[16:08] <mzanetti> well, it would. but not on our platform atm
[16:09] <faenil> greyback: so, the latter. That means, if I print units.dp(something) then I could get a flot
[16:09] <mzanetti> soon
[16:09] <faenil> float
[16:09] <greyback> faenil: right
[16:09] <greyback> yeah, we're still stuck with dpr1
[16:09] <faenil> yeah
[16:09] <greyback> with the help of the gods, perhaps I'll fix that
[16:09] <faenil> so, going back to the initial question
[16:10] <faenil> drawing geometry is ok because dp rounds the value
[16:10] <faenil> but drawing images --> we need to ship multiple assets
[16:10] <faenil> greyback: may Zeus be with you (I know his thunderbolts are pretty good at fixing problems)
[16:12] <Qiangong2> If anyone is here, I have an error when building.
[16:12] <faenil> so, part of the problem is handled
[16:12] <faenil> how do we handle images?
[16:12] <Qiangong2> I keep getting this: ubuntu/libhybris/compat/media/media_codec_layer.cpp:51:40: fatal error: gui/IGraphicBufferProducer.h: No such file or directory compilation terminated
[16:13] <faenil> do we really ship on asset for each GU value?
[16:13] <faenil> one*
[16:14] <Qiangong2> Anyone?
[16:20] <Qiangong2> is anyone here that can help?
[16:20] <faenil> Qiangong2: you need some patience, pal :)
[16:21] <faenil> ogra_ maybe can help? ^
[16:21] <Qiangong2> sorry :) i've just gone on here every day for the past 5 days and no one has answered
[16:27] <aquaboy11> Hi
[16:28] <aquaboy11> phablet-dev-bootstrap gives multiple not found repositories
[16:28] <aquaboy11> Is there an up-to-date manifest available?
[16:30] <Qiangong2> aquaboy11: phablet-dev-bootstrap works fine for me, no repository problems
[16:31] <aquaboy11> I'll try again.. Fresh folder, phablet-dev-bootstrap, and hoping for the be at
[16:31] <aquaboy11> Best*
[16:31] <aquaboy11> Do I need to join or ask permission for some maybe?
[16:32] <Qiangong2> no, i just did phablet-dev-bootstrap and it worked fine.
[16:33] <Qiangong2> I'm on Lubuntu 14.04 by the way
[16:33] <aquaboy11> I'm on 16
[16:33] <Qiangong2> ah, could that be why?
[16:44] <aquaboy11> Qiangong2 I don't think so. Unless the newer version of Ubuntu doesn't recognise a few specific gits
[16:44] <dobey> Qiangong2: that error seems to suggest you're missing necessary components of the source for the device you're trying to build for
[16:45] <Qiangong2> dobey: okay, what do I need to do then?
[16:45] <Qiangong2> aquaboy11: looks like a few repositories may not have worked :)
[16:47] <dobey> Qiangong2: i am not certain. what device are you building for? where did you get the source for it?
[16:48] <Qiangong2> dobey: I'm building for the Samsung Galaxy Star Pro S7262
[16:48] <Qiangong2> I've gotten the source code from http://github.com/logan2g
[16:48] <Qiangong2> it's 10.1 source
[16:48] <dobey> cm 10.1?
[16:49] <Qiangong2> I've also tried http://github.com/Fire-Galaxy/
[16:49] <dobey> what android is that?
[16:49] <Qiangong2> Same result
[16:49] <Qiangong2> Android 4.2.2
[16:49] <Qiangong2> CyanogenMod 10.1 source
[16:49] <dobey> i think you need at least android 4.4
[16:49] <dobey> to build ubuntu
[16:49] <Qiangong2> the Fire-Galaxy source is cm11.0 or android 4.4
[16:49] <Qiangong2> Same error
[16:50] <Qiangong2> I've also tried his cm12.1 or android 5.1
[16:50] <dobey> ok, not sure.
[16:50] <Qiangong2> *tree
[16:51] <Qiangong2> He's built cm11.0 successfully using his tree
[16:51] <dobey> i'd suggest trying the mailing list, or maybe xda forums.
[16:51] <Qiangong2> I've tried :D
[16:51] <Qiangong2> that's why i'm here
[16:52] <dobey> i don't see any mail in the last week about galaxy devices, on the mailing list
[16:52] <dobey> at least, not on ubuntu-phone mailing list
[16:52] <Qiangong2> sorry, not that
[16:52] <Qiangong2> I work usually on XDA
[16:53] <aquaboy11> Can you build Ubuntu touch with 5.1.1 dobey?
[16:53] <dobey> maybe
[16:54] <Qiangong2> dobey: now i'm getting this: fatal: remote error: access denied or repository not exported: /CyanogenMod/android.git
[16:54] <Qiangong2> I'm trying to resync
[17:09] <aquaboy11> http://pastebin.com/9Lin3zCs
[17:09] <aquaboy11> This is what I get
[17:16] <Qiangong2> aquaboy11: is your internet connection just timing out?
[17:16] <Qiangong2> I get this now: "fatal: remote error: access denied or repository not exported: /CyanogenMod/android.git" whenever I try to resync
[17:21] <aquaboy11> No
[18:18] <aquaboy11> Hi
[18:36] <dobey> mariogrip: hey, how did the battery fix turn out? ready to put it into an image? :)
[18:59] <mike00> hi all, I've got a problem with telegram notification: they don't arrive
[18:59] <mike00> some one can help me?
[19:02] <mike00> I saw the settings page and an alert appear saying "if you want to receive notification when you aren't using this app, login into your Ubuntu One account" and there are 3 buttons: login into Ubuntu One, ask me later, no notification
[19:02] <mike00> If I click on the first button, the alert disappear and the notification switch is on
[19:03] <mike00> but when I exit the settings page and reopen it the switch return off.
[19:03] <mike00> with the 2nd and the 3rd is the same... :(
[19:03] <mike00> what should I do?
[19:07] <dobey> do you not have a U1 account logged in on your phone?
[19:08] <mike00> yes
[19:08] <mike00> I have tried to log out and then login
[19:08] <dobey> how?
[19:08] <mike00> from the settings app
[19:09] <dobey> what channel are you on?
[19:09] <mike00> channel?
[19:09] <dobey> yes, stable? rc-proposed?
[19:09] <dobey> ie, ubuntu-touch/stable/bq-aquaris.en
[19:09] <dobey> in output of system-image-cli -i
[19:10] <mike00> Where can I see it?
[19:10] <mike00> on the phone?
[19:10] <dobey> you can run "system-image-cli -i" in the terminal app, or via adb/ssh
[19:11] <pmcgowan> mike00, did you ever flash your phone or is it as it was when you purchased it
[19:11] <mike00> ok I'll do it
[19:11] <dobey> or it's under "About" in system setting si think
[19:11] <mike00> pmcgowan: I didn't understand...
[19:11] <pmcgowan> mike00, did you buy the phone with ubuntu installed
[19:11] <pmcgowan> and not flash it yourself
[19:12] <mike00> Yes, I bought it with ubuntu
[19:13] <mike00> channel: ubuntu-touch/stable/bq-aquaris.en
[19:13] <dobey> ok
[19:13] <Kepler-> Just got my tablet in. :D
[19:13] <dobey> so where are you logging in to u1 at? you can't be doing it under the Accounts page of system-settings :)
[19:13] <mike00> but with telegram notifications worked well until today...
[19:14] <dobey> at least, not in ota10 or 10.1
[19:14] <pmcgowan> it could be the service itself, that has happened temporarily
[19:14] <dobey> i don't get notifications from telegram either, but that's mostly because nobody talks to me
[19:15] <mike00> ahahah. but in the account page I can see
[19:15] <mike00> I'm logged in...
[19:15] <dobey> ok
[19:15] <mike00> and I have ota10.1
[19:15] <dobey> if you go to the updates page, does it show the "log in to u1" button?
[19:16] <dobey> or does it show available updates? (or not updates)
[19:16] <mike00> no...
[19:16] <mike00> "The software is updated"
[19:16] <dobey> ok
[19:18] <dobey> open telegram, wait for it to log in and show your conversations, then click the triple line menu and go to Settings, and make sure Notifications is enabled
[19:18] <dobey> if telegram is already running, i'd suggest closing it first, waiting a few seconds, and then opening it again
[19:18] <mike00> the switched is off...
[19:19] <dobey> turn it on :)
[19:19] <mike00> the alert appears
[19:19] <dobey> alert?
[19:19] <mike00> I said about it before...
[19:20] <mike00> it ask me if login to U1, ask later, or no notifications
[19:20] <dobey> select login
[19:20] <mike00> the switch is on
[19:21] <mike00> but when I restart telegram the switch is off
[19:22] <dobey> mike00: please file a bug at https://launchpad.net/telegram-app
[19:22] <dobey> i'm not sure what is going wrong, but this doesn't sound right
[19:23] <mike00> ok I'll do this
[19:23] <mike00> I'll see now: in the settings page it says me : " last access today at 21:05"
[19:24] <mike00> If I try to uninstall telegram or delete data?
[19:27] <dobey> i don't know
[19:33] <aquaboy11> http://pastebin.com/9Lin3zCs git repositories not found with phablet-dev-bootstrap
[19:33] <aquaboy11> Is it outdated?
[19:47] <mike00> is it correct https://bugs.launchpad.net/telegram-app/+bug/1571809 ?
[19:47] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1571809 in Telegram app "can't receive notifications" [Undecided,New]
[20:06] <mcphail> jhodapp: got your email on https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1449790 - thanks! Unfortunately, I don't have a working Ubuntu device any more, so I can't give you the required information immediately. Can you reproduce the bug on your device, following the steps in comment #26?
[20:06] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1449790 in qtubuntu-media (Ubuntu RTM) "Fails to play a file with a # (hash symbol) in the path" [High,Fix released]
[20:12] <aquaboy11> Where is the /external/gpg repository?
[20:18] <jhodapp> mcphail, I can yes and I do test that quite regularly, so that's why I'm curious what your filenames are that don't work that have a '#' char in them
[20:28] <mcphail> jhodapp: I've currently got android on my bq device, and I haven't added the same files to it yet. There was definite improvement in OTA10, in that the files would play. But they wouldn't play if selected by searching on the songs tab if another file was playing
[20:28] <mcphail> jhodapp: I'll try to dig out the filenames from my other computer
[20:28] <popey> mcphail: where is the #? Start / middle / end? In the folder or file name?
[20:28] <popey> ta
[20:29] <jhodapp> mcphail, ok, then I'd file a different bug against music-app as it may possibly be a specific issue with the music-app UI code
[20:29] <mcphail> popey: in the containing folder. Something like "CD #2" or something
[20:29] <jhodapp> mcphail, but the more specific the filenames the better in this bug report
[20:29] <mcphail> jhodapp: Yes - sorry it is so vague. But I only kept OTA10 for a short time
[20:30] <jhodapp> mcphail, not a problem, it just helps us more easily reproduce the issue which helps us fix it more quickly
[20:31] <mcphail> jhodapp: yes - I have already been shamed-faced to pat mcgowan about the poor quality of my bug report ;)
[20:32] <ogra_> is your subject "doesn't work" ?
[20:32] <jhodapp> lol
[20:32] <ogra_> (if not, the quality cant be that bad)
[20:33] <mcphail> ogra_: no - it is "I hope snappy fixes this..." ;)
[20:33] <ogra_> thats a proper attitude !
[20:33] <jhodapp> Snappy will fix everything :)
[20:33] <ogra_> definitely !
[20:33] <mcphail> jhodapp: http://themcphails.uk/snappy.jpg
[20:34] <jhodapp> haha, I like it
[20:49] <popey> mcphail: jhodapp I just constructed a folder with #1 and #2 and put stuff in, music app found them and played them
[20:50] <popey> (on rc-proposed)
[20:53] <mcphail> popey: did you try to trigger the bug exactly as per https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1570469 ? (i.e. play a "normal" track. Whilst it is playing, use the search bar on the "Songs" tab to select a file with a # in the path. Instead of the new file playing, the original song restarts on my device...)
[20:53] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1570469 in media-hub (Ubuntu) "Despite fixes in OTA10, there is still an edge case where a file with a '#' symbol in the path will not play correctly" [Medium,Confirmed]
[21:00] <popey> mcphail: oh, yes, reproduced that!
[21:00] <mcphail> popey: a very "edge" case...
[21:00] <popey> still wierd
[21:01] <mcphail> popey: Qt is weird. UTF16 is braindead
[21:01] <popey> Failed to add track ' "file:///media/phablet/2541-1C26/Music/Space Walrus/CD #1/Proximity Mix.mp3" ' to playlist:  mpris.Player.Error.UriNotFound: Warning: Not adding track file:///media/phablet/2541-1C26/Music/Space Walrus/CD #1/Proximity Mix.mp3 to TrackList because it can't be found.
[21:01] <mcphail> jhodapp: ^^
[21:02] <popey> parsed_uri.path: /media/phablet/2541-1C26/Music/Space Walrus/CD
[21:02] <popey> Warning: Not adding track file:///media/phablet/2541-1C26/Music/Space Walrus/CD #1/Proximity Mix.mp3 to TrackList because it can't be found.
[21:03] <popey> ^ from media-hub
[21:03] <popey> (pasted to bug)
[21:03] <mcphail> Ta!
[21:03] <popey> np
[21:03] <popey> I'll be your proxy ubuntu phone user while you're on an android sabbatical ㋛
[21:04] <mcphail> popey: you're my gdbserver!
[21:28] <mariogrip> dobey: i'll push the images this week, but I will do it a little different I will create two new images pre-stable and pre-rc-proposed the pre-* channels is where I push ubports changes before pushing to the main channels, this way we make sure we don't break devices :)
[21:29] <mariogrip> it will be automatically pushed to the main channels after 3 days if I don't stop it
[21:55] <Acou_Bass> heey all, would anyone be able to recommend a slimport cable that they use that works with the nexus 4? ive tested 2 so far and theyve both been duds... took my phone to a shop to see if its the port thats duff and he advised me to try another cable -_- XD
[22:03] <Espionage724> Hi, I'm interested in trying out Ubuntu Touch on a Nexus 4 and I'm trying to figure out the best channel to use; the OTA update notes and some other source seem to mention that the bq-aquaris channel is usable on a N4?
[22:05] <ogra_> Espionage724, yes, it is
[22:07] <Espionage724> should I use the bq-aquaris channel over stable? I'm searching around and it looks like some people reported better GPS on that channel over the Ubuntu one; is there any differences between the two channels?
[22:10] <Acou_Bass> Espionage724: ive not had any problems using normal stable on my n4
[22:11] <ogra_> the bq channel has the AGPS backend included and a bunch of extra scopes the other images dont have
[22:12] <Espionage724> ah, alright
[22:13] <Acou_Bass> extra scopes? anything interesting?
[22:26] <Espionage724> does the rc-proposed channel recieve OTA updates?
[22:45] <Acou_Bass> Espionage724: im fairly sure all channels get OTA - only thing that stops OTA is if you R/W the filesystem
[22:52] <popey> Acou_Bass: going R/W doesn't stop OTA
[22:53] <popey> Espionage724: rc-proposed gets OTA updates near-daily
[22:53] <Acou_Bass> i thought it did?
[22:53] <popey> sometimes multiple times a day
[22:54] <popey> nope
[22:54] <Acou_Bass> its pasted all over every guide for doing the R/W thing, DO NOT DO THIS ITLL BLOCK OTA UPDATES
[22:54] <Acou_Bass> XD
[22:54] <popey> where?
[22:54] <Espionage724> the wiki page claims it does still https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/phone/devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/
[22:55] <Acou_Bass> ^
[22:55] <Espionage724> well, delta OTA anyway (just re-read it)
[22:56] <Acou_Bass> By default the system is read-only. You can switch to read-write mode, although this disables Ubuntu system upgrades.
[22:56] <popey> well that's wrong
[22:56] <Acou_Bass> hmm fair enough
[22:56]  * popey files a bug
[22:56] <Acou_Bass> was it true at one point and has since been fixed?
[22:57] <mcphail> Espionage724: I think the "phablet-config writable-image" touches a file in the root directory which disables OTAs. If you simply remount rw, that won't happen
[22:57] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/developer-ubuntu-com/+bug/1571885
[22:57] <popey> done
[22:57] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1571885 in Ubuntu Developer Portal "Clarify what going R/W does" [Undecided,New]
[22:57] <Acou_Bass> so i could eg. apt-get install emacs-nox without having to bother with libertine?
[22:57] <popey> mcphail: again, no
[22:57] <popey> it just makes it RW, it doesn't disable OTA
[22:58] <popey> unless there's some magic file other than /userdata/.writable_image ?
[22:58] <mcphail> popey: that's probably the one I was think of. That doesn't block OTAs?
[22:58] <Acou_Bass> so how are the OTA updates handled if it updates a file that youve manually edited? will it just get overwritten?
[22:59] <popey> you (may) lose your changes
[22:59] <Acou_Bass> i dont think i would use it to actually change things, just install things like emacs hehe
[22:59] <popey> heh
[23:01] <Espionage724> does UT happen to support disk encryption?
[23:02] <popey> not yet
[23:07] <Acou_Bass> i thought the official supported way for doing legacy apps was libertine/a chroot in your home dir though, thus getting rid of the need for an r/w root... seems like an awful lot of trouble togo through for something that doesnt really have any major downsides besides the applications not being apparmoured/snappy packages
[23:09] <Acou_Bass> hmm yep, ubuntu touch gives me the same warning
[23:10] <Acou_Bass> NB: your device won't be able to receive OTA updates. be careful!