[00:07] <diddledan> ok, that's interesting. I tried replacing /init from my ubuntu-on-windows and restarted the lxss service - seems /init gets replaced by the system on startup of the service every time
[00:07] <diddledan> guess MS don't want us to run a real init :-p
[00:10] <zmoylan-pi> autoexec.init :-P
[00:11] <diddledan> nope, it's an elf binary :-D
[00:11] <diddledan> it's called init and it's in /
[00:12] <zmoylan-pi> you underestimate ms ability to mix 2 systems and chose worst from both... :-)
[00:12] <diddledan> there's no estimation needed. I have facts
[00:30] <popey> yeah, they made their own init
[00:35] <diddledan> I wonder what magic they had to put in their own init - it seems there's a bit of copying of windows config by the init process as provided
[00:36] <daftykins> o0
[00:36] <diddledan> daftykins: <diddledan> ok, that's interesting. I tried replacing /init from my ubuntu-on-windows and restarted the lxss service - seems /init gets replaced by the system on startup of the service every time
[00:36] <diddledan> and.. <diddledan> guess MS don't want us to run a real init :-p
[00:37] <diddledan> then popey chimed-in with (which my reply was to where you went o0) <popey> yeah, they made their own init
[00:38] <diddledan> daftykins: and now you're caught-up with everything that happened while you were away :-D
[00:38] <daftykins> that works on two levels ;D
[00:38] <daftykins> it's Microsofts, init!
[00:38] <daftykins> yaaaay
[00:38] <daftykins> i shall call you my IRC message taker
[00:38] <diddledan> oh yeah, I questioned what a kornbluth was but zmoylan-pi had nary a clue
[00:39] <diddledan> totes microsoft's init, init
[00:40] <daftykins> kornbluth is Germany's freenode server, which i use(d)
[00:40] <diddledan> gotchabob
[00:40] <daftykins> i've just switched to Wilhelm in France after giving up on him coming back though
[00:40] <daftykins> so i guess now i'm seeing Wilhelm </Archer>
[00:40] <diddledan> I guess they named it after cecil kornbluth who came up in my googling
[00:40] <diddledan> or Cyril? I can't remember now
[00:41]  * diddledan goes and googles him again
[00:41] <diddledan> cyril
[00:41] <daftykins> figgis
[00:41] <diddledan> consider him well and truly googled! with bing
[00:41] <daftykins> ah, bung
[00:42] <daftykins> still find it funny those microsoft guys at the build event said google
[00:42] <daftykins> whoops ;D fired!
[00:42] <diddledan> you should watch pretty much any presentation by MS' Scott Hanselman - he's a good presenter and funny
[00:43] <diddledan> it was watching him I first heard the phrase "I'll just Google it. With Bing"
[00:45] <daftykins> :D
[00:45] <daftykins> ah i think he did say that so maybe that's just his thing
[01:03] <daftykins> http://fittish.deadspin.com/secret-thermal-camera-footage-allegedly-shows-seven-pro-1771492666
[01:03] <daftykins> shame the vid is French
[01:29] <diddledan> it's a bit touch-and-go with the footage they gathered. it might or it might not be motorised - the heat signature is only slightly different compared to other riders so it might just be their bike behaving differently to the friction of the rider peddling. really needs accurate temperature readings
[01:30] <diddledan> of course while they're gathering accurate temperatures they could just as easily take the thing apart
[01:30] <daftykins> could be quite fun to have a witch hunt and cut open bikes though
[01:30] <daftykins> apart from the waste, i'm not fond of waste
[02:03] <daftykins> g'night folks o/ have a good week!
[05:03] <knightwise> morning
[05:06] <penutgelo> it is
[06:12] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:07] <bittin> http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/98906/ubuntu-16-04-from-warty-to-wimpy-las-413/
[07:12] <MooDoo> morning all
[09:07] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Monday, and happy Pet Owners Independence Day! 😃
[09:47] <ujjain> morning all
[09:47] <ujjain> is it John's Birthday Party or Johns Birthday Party?
[09:47] <ujjain> my name is Dennis, it's Dennis' Birthday Party?
[09:47] <ujjain> my birthday is in 4 weeks and I'm planning a party
[09:51] <popey> ujjain: all correct
[11:08] <davmor2> popey: and they wonder why English is hard to learn
[11:09] <davmor2> JamesTait: loads of suggestions, but basically, hounds of love, who let the dogs out, dogs day afternoon, love cats, cool for cats, and finally anything by the petshop boys :D
[11:12] <zmoylan-pi> and not i walk the lion by johnny cash? :-P
[11:13] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: lion sleeps tonight by tight fit maybe, oh and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSTBFZ-To2E
[13:15] <diddledan> davmor2: born free, maybe, too?
[13:16] <davmor2> diddledan: No I think Charly wins over all :)
[15:12] <diddledan> I made a rant about WSL on the Windows Feedback Hub: feedback-hub:?contextid=387&feedbackid=a80d04ba-398d-4cee-82fc-f91e61013bf9&form=1&src=2
[15:12] <diddledan> unfortunately the feedback hub doesn't list the feedback via an http uri
[15:13] <diddledan> maybe I should suggest that as a new feature
[16:41] <popey> Happy Birthday Gord... miss you :(
[16:50] <diddledan> yikes: https://twitter.com/mikko/status/722104854173376512
[16:52] <zmoylan-pi> what's googles definition of compromised? facebook thumbs up button? :-)
[21:23] <daftykins> diddledan: mmm seems few know it's not a set and forget thing to run a site
[21:26] <D3VLiiNLAD89> are we allowed to talk raspberry here?
[21:31] <Safiyyah> Need advice on buying a new notebook,  anyone here?
[21:33] <daftykins> hi Safiyyah, keeping well?
[21:33] <Safiyyah> Am good,  you?
[21:34] <daftykins> yeah all well thanks :) in the market for new toys is it?
[21:34] <Safiyyah> Yes
[21:36] <Safiyyah> Also last time my computer was called a museum piece,  I  need to know what upgrades to do to make it  dual monitor,  one monitor being a 43 inch TV monitor
[21:36] <Safiyyah> Well at least am here for fun information,  not  a dead computer
[21:37] <daftykins> a second TV whilst keeping the existing one that requires the manual config file each time?
[21:37] <Safiyyah> Yes
[21:37] <daftykins> mmm life is going to get harder with keeping that one around, if you'll have to keep using it over VGA
[21:38] <Safiyyah> The upgrade would leave it's HdMi port available
[21:39] <daftykins> ah cool so you could switch to a glorious digital connection and leave behind the troubles
[21:39] <Safiyyah> At the moment it is busy supporting the Bluray player and the  wii
[21:40] <daftykins> last time you popped in you had to get something new didn't you? i forget what
[21:40] <Safiyyah> I have one HdMi slot in my graphics card....  That might ve tge upgrade needed
[21:41] <daftykins> it'd need another appropriate output too
[21:41] <daftykins> you said notebook though... are you after replacing the desktop with a laptop, or upgrading the desktop?
[21:44] <Safiyyah> Keeping the desktop for media entertainment,  boring giant spreadsheet work,  kids homework etc.  Notebook for studying and work too
[21:44] <Safiyyah> Kids are growing up,  there is a clash for time on the desktop
[21:44] <daftykins> and both need to drive the two TVs at once, or only the desktop?
[21:45] <Safiyyah> Only the desktop
[21:45] <Safiyyah> Notebook is unrelated
[21:45] <Safiyyah> I  just want advice
[21:47] <daftykins> ok, well if the graphics card was the passive asus GT610 or similar i remember, it should have 1 x HDMI, 1 x VGA and 1 x DVI so it could be connected to the two TVs at once - maybe stick to VGA with the existing one, or get an HDMI to DVI cable
[21:52] <Safiyyah> So if the new one uses tge HdMi port then theoretically it should work
[21:53] <Safiyyah> Okay cool
[21:53] <Safiyyah> Now onto the notebook
[21:53] <Safiyyah> Have a budget of 200
[21:55] <daftykins> ouch.
[21:57] <daftykins> that's a tall order
[21:58] <rewrp> Just got my bq tablet. Now chatting using it!
[22:00] <daftykins> ok i had a giggle at a silly case on pcworld.com then found .co.uk ;)
[22:00] <daftykins> diddledan: haha: http://www.pcworld.com/article/3054226/hardware/hands-on-with-the-crazy-looking-stealth-machines-nighthawk-2-pc.html
[22:01] <daftykins> Safiyyah: you can probably pick up a chromebook for <£200 over there, but i wouldn't be so sure about installing ubuntu on them all
[22:01] <daftykins> http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/computing/laptops/laptops/703_7006_70006_xx_xx/1_20/price-asc/xx-criteria.html
[22:04] <Safiyyah> Lol
[22:05] <Safiyyah> I  don't trust chrome books
[22:05] <Safiyyah> They  don't work offline
[22:05] <Safiyyah> I  something with a proper hard drive
[22:06] <daftykins> all the £250 and under systems typically give a real problem or outright prevent Linux installation
[22:07] <Safiyyah> Hmm
[22:08] <Safiyyah> I was eying an Asus on very
[22:08] <daftykins> where?
[22:09] <Safiyyah> http://www.very.co.uk/asus-e200-ha-interegl-atomtrade-x5-processor-2gbnbspram-32gb-ssd-hard-drive-116-inch-2-in-1-laptop-with-free-1-year-subscription-to-microsoft-office-365-personal-gold/1600059101.prd
[22:10] <daftykins> yeah that's the same thing, it claims SSD but it's really an eMMC drive
[22:11] <daftykins> something like this would be infinitely more capable - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lenovo-ideapad-Laptop-Notebook-Purple/dp/B015Q3BKO0
[22:11] <Safiyyah> Monitor should be around 10 inches
[22:12] <Safiyyah> Will be taking it out and about
[22:12] <Safiyyah> Sorry I should have said
[22:12] <Safiyyah> Nice colour though
[22:12] <daftykins> mmm yeah you're not going to get that, for that money and be able to install Linux
[22:13] <Safiyyah> Okay show me what you want to recommend as long as it's a 10 inch ish
[22:13] <Safiyyah> Let me see the damage
[22:13] <daftykins> nah i'm sayin'g i've got nothing
[22:14] <Safiyyah> Awww
[22:14] <daftykins> the above Lenovo isn't very portable
[22:14] <daftykins> i think it does 4hrs tops with Windows, so i dread to think what battery life with Linux would be
[22:14] <Safiyyah> It's as big as my husband's laptop
[22:14] <Safiyyah> That's too big
[22:15] <Safiyyah> Oh does Linux chew out the battery?
[22:15] <daftykins> in my experience it often doesn't compare
[22:16] <daftykins> hmm for 10" i think you'd be looking at tablets, where the Linux install angle might be a no-go
[22:16] <Safiyyah> Hmm let me do some more thinking gor a couple of days and come back
[22:16] <Safiyyah> Atleast we solved the monitor issue
[22:16] <Safiyyah> For the desktop
[22:17] <Safiyyah> Maybe I can stretch to 11 inches
[22:18] <Safiyyah> But no more
[22:18] <Safiyyah> What happened to ubuntu on eepc
[22:18] <Safiyyah> ?
[22:18] <Safiyyah> Did that end?
[22:19] <daftykins> netbooks are utterly rubbish and only good for recycling now
[22:20] <daftykins> in fact i argued they were so on their release
[22:20] <daftykins> hrmm
[22:21] <daftykins> Safiyyah: you know i actually have one of my clients' old travelling business laptops that can be donated to a good home, as we've retired it... you could have it for postage cost
[22:21] <daftykins> few years old, but it runs the lower end ones like xubuntu great
[22:23] <Safiyyah> Send me a private message
[22:23] <Safiyyah> Can't work out how to do it on andchat
[22:29] <ali1234> daftykins: if you think netbooks are too slow, do you think a phone can run a desktop?
[22:31] <daftykins> that's a flawed question given netbooks are a set spec from x years ago
[22:33] <ali1234> do you think a modern phone is faster than a netbook?
[22:33] <daftykins> failing to see the point here, maybe you're mistaking me for someone that liked the convergence idea
[22:34] <ali1234> someone must think its a good idea
[22:36] <daftykins> *facepalm*
[22:38] <ali1234> would be interesting to see some benchmarks
[22:40] <ali1234> did the M10 ship yet?
[22:47] <popey> some people have received theirs
[23:32] <mapito> hi all
[23:35] <daftykins> \o
[23:35] <daftykins> you've got more nicks than a manx!
[23:39] <mapito> ;]
[23:55] <n1md4> hi.  i was looking to upgrade to 16.04 from 15.10 but it's not yet available through the repos, but is on iso https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes/ when is it due to be rolled out?
[23:55] <daftykins> #ubuntu would be better right now
[23:56] <n1md4> thanks, daftykins, i'll give that a try.
[23:56] <daftykins> they have a date of the 22nd or 24th according to the site, so i'd be surprised if it's out yet
[23:56] <daftykins> let the early adopters get burnt ;)
[23:56] <n1md4> ... well, that's also what I thought.  Oh, well there is that :)
[23:56] <n1md4> I may then just be patient.