[06:04] wazzup peeps, another day in paradise [06:05] Morning morning! [06:05] Meh, it's monday.. [06:05] yip and another day closer to death! [06:07] cremora [06:07] lol [06:08] hi there anton_may [06:08] mornings Kilos [06:08] takes a while till i see who is here [06:08] puffy eyes? [06:09] no konversation takes long to shows hosts and then i only see who is afk [06:10] hi theblazehen theblazehen skokkk Cryterion daimonos dlPhreak inetpro MaNI and others [06:10] Morning Kilos [06:11] daimonos welcome to ubuntu-za [06:11] oh its zipper [06:30] morning === Webtrici- is now known as Webtricity [06:59] hi Wolfeyes [07:01] Mornings [07:01] hey Kilos, morning everyone [07:01] hi mazal [07:01] hey mazal [07:01] Big job today oom [07:01] what? [07:01] Must add all additional software , configure and setup backups [07:02] oh on 16.04 [07:02] Yep [07:03] Looks very nice and everything works fine so far , except for screen drivers [07:03] That app just hangs [07:03] ai! [07:03] even afet update and upgrade [07:03] after [07:03] Standing still for ages at " gathering information about your system " with no hdd activity or anything happening further [07:04] Yeah , updates is first thing I do [07:04] try the additional drivers option === daimonos is now known as zipper [07:07] That's the one hanging [07:08] ai! [07:08] And drivers is important for me Steam [07:09] you will get it [07:10] Will check again later , busy setting up backup first now [07:10] maybe you are rushing it too much [07:11] Left it for long , but will try again last and leave it longer [07:23] Has anyone here ever shipped something "USPS First Class International" - how long did it take? [07:27] good morning [07:28] hi magespawn [07:31] Time to get minecraft working :) [07:31] Hi magespawn [08:03] hey mazal [08:14] Good morning everyone [08:17] Hi dlPhreak [08:17] Ugh man I hate this part , installating all the additional software :P [08:18] time consuming [08:20] And the ppa's are missing and makes it harder [08:20] Or doesn't exist yet I should say [08:22] heya magespawn [08:23] heya dlPhreak [08:26] Oh man this is not good. One of my main apps is not installable :( [08:27] " handbrake-gtk : Depends: libx264-146 but it is not installable " [08:39] check in repos [08:55] Kilos: it wasn't me! [08:57] hahaha hi superfly [09:00] Oh man this is getting worse and worse [09:00] Another one of my apps don't have a deb or repo anymore :( Only win installers [09:02] Only source code , and I have no idea how to use that [09:02] only worry about what you need in the near future [09:03] or learn [09:03] http://askubuntu.com/questions/140998/compiling-source-into-a-deb-package [09:04] This is apps I need [09:04] Some of my mosed used stuff [09:04] most* [09:04] it will get done [09:04] you didnt want to wait for release [09:08] No this project doesn't have "any" repo or debs anymore. For no version of Ubu or linux [09:08] remember this next time you want to upgrade early [09:09] Shees I won't be able to do half the stuff I do [09:09] compli your own from the source [09:09] compile [09:09] mazal: which app is that? [09:09] I should have dual booted [09:10] superfly,DVD styler [09:10] I use it to recompile video files I cleaned [09:10] And the other is Handbrake , that takes to mp4 [09:11] handbrake is in the repos? [09:11] I dunno, I use ffmpeg on the command line [09:11] yup, handbrake is still there [09:13] Hang on let me see , I tried the developer repo [09:13] mazal: I try to stay far away from ppas [09:14] Lots of software you can only get in ppa's [09:14] Handbrake was one of them. Never was in Ubu repo's before [09:14] Ok I see it in repo's , gonna try that [09:16] And I see they changed the package name also , is why apt install didn't see it [09:16] mazal: you are wrong, listen to superfly [09:16] inetpro, I have plenty of apps that is not in Ubu repo's. So what must one do then , not have apps ? [09:16] handbrake is there in the standard repos under Section: universe/graphics [09:17] btw, good mornings everyone [09:17] Yeah that one I found now like I said [09:17] oh and mazal sorry but I can not discuss now, too much on my plate here [09:17] mazal: look for alternatives? [09:18] They change the package name also otherwise apt in cli would have gotten it from there anyway [09:18] "apt search " [09:18] feel free to talk to others though... but ultimately I agree 100% with spuerfly, stay away from PPA's as far as humanly possible [09:18] s/spuerfly/superfly/ [09:18] Many times one has no choice. If software isn't there one have to go ppa's [09:19] * inetpro bites his lip and avoids arguing [09:20] I get what you guys saying , but the repo's simply doesn't have all software. [09:20] lol [09:21] they afre still working on it mazal [09:21] are [09:23] Kilos, there are plenty software they simply don't put in the repo's. The next one on my list for example , the media server I use , has never been in any Ubu repo [09:23] thats your choice [09:23] If it's the only thing that works I don't really have a choice [09:23] always try built in apps first [09:24] There is no alternatives [09:24] works for what [09:24] This one is a media server that serves media to my PS3 [09:24] And this is just one example [09:25] I install most apps from repo's sure. It's always my first choice also , but it simply doesn't have everything [09:25] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ps3MediaServer [09:26] And there you proove my point , add ppa in those steps lol [09:26] but the main thing now is if ubuntu itself is running properly not gaming add ons [09:26] * inetpro would love to see the long list of software he uses of which he claims there is no other alternatives [09:28] Media serving is not a gaming add-on. It's a entertainment source that many peeps use in their homes. I just happen to use the PS3 as a front-end [09:29] somewhere the is an irc channel where they work on all the stuff for releases [09:29] i couldnt follow half or more of what they are doing [09:30] so better to wait for release date imo [09:31] Ag no can't use this one either [09:32] Depends on openjdk7 , and I think we are on 8 if I am not mistaken [09:32] have you set your update manager to see other apps [09:34] This one's project was stopped in 2013 :( [09:34] ai! [09:34] find an alternative [09:35] mazal that does happen on occasion, sometimes the project is taken up later [09:37] magespawn, yeah. Another one of my favs that died is REDO backup [09:37] This one seems to work with java 8 though , could do the config. Will test tonight properly [09:38] libdvdcss I can't get either [09:40] Ok oom Kilos , I can't go any further so time to test that iso generate thing [09:40] ok [09:41] I see they regularly updated it , so here goes [09:42] Another example of software not in the repo's btw [09:42] there will be something about it in google [09:42] Kilos, I'm gonna do an iso , take it to stick or dvd , and boot with that to test. Will give feedback after that [09:43] i looked for a package before and thought it was missing but it had been built into something else [09:43] ok [09:44] mazal isn't libdvdcss in restricted? [09:53] or built into dvdread or the lib package [10:00] Maaz coffee on [10:00] * Maaz puts the kettle on [10:04] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [10:05] Maaz ty [10:05] You are welcome Kilos [10:27] whoops, did not even seem hom leave [10:27] s/hom/him [10:27] lol [10:38] hmm... [11:59] Oom Kilos , some feedback on systemback [12:00] Creates iso easily. On the life iso right now. All seems fine with all apps included [12:00] However , it still puts all your configs into the iso as well [12:00] So it's still an excellent option for private use and recovery , but can't be given to someone sle for use [12:03] Even my email config is in the live system. Very nice option for private use [12:15] so you need to create a system or another live system to create the systemback cd from [12:15] and he is gone again [12:16] ai! [12:19] ty mazal [12:19] ill try remember that [12:19] Works very nice oom , very straight forward [12:19] cool [12:20] Just a pitty there isn't an options for " no user config mode " or something like that [12:20] One wouldn't be able to give that iso for someone else to install or try Ubu [12:20] But I will defnitely use it for my re-installs on my own pc's [12:21] if you want to install for others maybe you could delete conf files maybe [12:21] so you need to create a system or another live cd/usb to create the systemback cd from [12:21] and maybe the addusers way [12:22] does it copy all the config files for all the users on a system? [12:23] magespawn,I dunno , I only have 1 user on my pc [12:24] magespawn, and no , systemback is installed on your current system. From it's interface you create a live iso. Then just burn the iso to dvd or usb [12:25] It has some other system restore point features as well that I haven't tried [12:29] hi bushtech hows the signal today [12:30] so then if using it for distibution, create a live cd with it installed, then install all the needed software and then create the systemback cd [12:31] live usb migh work better, then you can add software as needed [12:31] s/migh/might [12:31] Kilos-: Still more or less the same. the second line on mtr is just ???. Cant even id the ip addres [12:31] eish [12:31] TheMurdz [12:31] Ola! [12:32] What's up [12:32] has afrihost got any clout with mtn [12:32] MEH, a little bit. Mainly if it's related to us. If it's unrelated to us, then meh. [12:32] poor bushtech having a hard time [12:33] Hmm, What's the Eish bushtech? [12:33] and still waiting on them for tower location [12:34] Oh geez. Hmm [12:34] my speed has dropped [12:34] Can you send me the ref that MTN Got you? [12:34] gave * [12:34] (again) [12:34] coming up [12:35] pm'ed [12:35] :) [12:36] magespawn, that's exactly what I use it for. re-install with all extra software already included [12:37] I install normal on my pc , add all extra software I need. Install systemback and then make live iso with systemback [12:38] Been doing it for years to save time and data on re-installs. Previously used remastersys , but that project died also [12:41] Hello everyone!!! [12:44] hi pavlushka [12:49] Heya hey [12:51] oh bushtech you can run sudo fstrim -v /when things get slow [12:51] then trim doent need to be activated [12:54] Kilos-: I did last night and it did something but I don't think it used my ssd as fstrim apparently doesn't run on ext2 disks and my ssd is ext2 :( [12:55] oh my [12:55] TheMurdz: hey Heya [12:55] why ext2 [12:59] have no idea why I did that, was a long long time ago (in a galaxy far away) [12:59] hahaha [12:59] ext4 much better and less likely to lose data with power cuts [13:00] the ssd only runs an OS so not much going on there [13:00] oh you not using it for everything [13:01] mine has to do everything [13:01] it runs my media server [13:01] ah [13:40] bushtech, it is you that uses plex for media serving ? [13:46] inetpro go home [13:46] just in case storm coming [13:47] dont let the wind blow you off the bicycle [13:55] hoem time chat later [13:55] home too [14:06] mazal: I di install plex on my media server but then found I could access my files directly without using plex. So, I've got it but dont use it [14:19] bushtech, ok. Time is now for me to look into alternatives. The one I used is outdated [14:43] Kilos-: Hey, it went well? [14:43] what zipper ? [14:43] The translation stuff? [14:44] 0.o [14:44] i have no idea anymore, i think they are connected now [14:44] i did the intros and left the mail contacting to them [14:45] i spose i could have asked them to cc me as well, but i already get too many mails [14:50] ill ask mike [15:51] Kilos-: It's okay [15:52] Kilos-: Awesome [16:55] Evening everyone [16:56] Kilos-: I got sed working on windows with cygwin [16:57] whatever that is [16:58] lol [17:00] i go eat [17:00] wbb === Kilos- is now known as Kilos [18:39] * mazal fiddles [18:39] dont break things [18:40] I'm nored [18:40] bored* [18:40] Need something to do [18:43] mazal i been thinking [18:43] Kilos: what? [18:43] if you install from a systemback iso [18:43] and you add an admin user [18:44] then remove yourself [18:44] does that person then have full control and have all his own config files [18:45] and how would one remove all your own config files [18:45] Kilos: supposed to and yes, I did that on Ubuntu and Windows [18:45] That should work Kilos , as long as you do the install yourself [18:45] Create 2nd admin user and wipe the original user and it's home folder [18:46] yes [18:46] Don't have 2nd pc , otherwise I would have tested it. But in theory it should work [18:47] I practical, it works as well. [18:48] *in practical [18:48] It's the same as if I give this pc as is to someone. Create id for him then wipe my own id and folder [18:48] yeah [18:48] One must just remember to make that 2nd id an admin id [18:49] * pavlushka yep [18:49] BTW , on kubuntu do you just select that "admin user" option on the user's properties ? [18:50] i havent looked [18:50] Or do you have to manually go add it to the sudo group in cli [18:51] you can do it from cli quite easilly [18:51] the pro showed me how couple of years ago [18:52] unity needed and extra admin to fix the first admins probs [18:52] I usually did it by adding the user to sudo group , but that was a while ago [18:53] That's a good idea on any system really [18:53] it was just admin or --admin added to the adduser command [18:53] On winbloze I always have a 2nd admin user [18:54] I added one now via user manager in system settings , but when I go back there it's gone [18:54] lol [18:57] Gonna test it in a seperate terminal with an upgrade command [18:58] do you make the administrator appear in the tick box in admin tools mazal? [18:59] kewl , worked. So selecting that "admin user" in the user properties does the trick [19:00] Wolfeyes, no was wondering if that admin user option in the user's properties will give him full rights [19:00] from 7 they started to hide the admin user account, could even have been vista [19:00] it should [19:01] This is on Kubuntu Wolfeyes. [19:01] ah [19:01] It still doesn't show in my id's user manager anymore [19:01] But can log in with it though [19:03] dont delete your home folder just rename it when you get there [19:03] No not gonna test that on this machine :P [19:03] could be some hassle if both admins end up with same home [19:03] I just finished installing it hehehehe [19:03] haha [19:03] This is the time I miss a "play and mess around with" pc [19:05] How do I see a user's info in cli ? [19:05] For example his group memberships [19:11] i need sleep [19:11] night all. sleep tight [19:11] Nag oom , lekker slaap [19:12] dankie jy ook [19:37] _