[06:04] <anton_may> wazzup peeps, another day in paradise
[06:05] <TheMurdz> Morning morning!
[06:05] <TheMurdz> Meh, it's monday..
[06:05] <anton_may> yip and another day closer to death!
[06:07] <Kilos> cremora
[06:07] <anton_may> lol
[06:08] <Kilos> hi there anton_may 
[06:08] <anton_may> mornings Kilos
[06:08] <Kilos> takes a while till i see who is here
[06:08] <anton_may> puffy eyes?
[06:09] <Kilos> no konversation takes long to shows hosts and then i only see who is afk
[06:10] <Kilos> hi theblazehen theblazehen skokkk Cryterion daimonos dlPhreak inetpro MaNI and others
[06:10] <theblazehen> Morning Kilos
[06:11] <Kilos> daimonos welcome to ubuntu-za
[06:11] <Kilos> oh its zipper
[06:30] <MaNI> morning
[06:59] <Kilos> hi Wolfeyes 
[07:01] <mazal> Mornings
[07:01] <Wolfeyes> hey Kilos, morning everyone
[07:01] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[07:01] <Wolfeyes> hey mazal
[07:01] <mazal> Big job today oom
[07:01] <Kilos> what?
[07:01] <mazal> Must add all additional software , configure and setup backups
[07:02] <Kilos> oh on 16.04
[07:02] <mazal> Yep
[07:03] <mazal> Looks very nice and everything works fine so far , except for screen drivers
[07:03] <mazal> That app just hangs
[07:03] <Kilos> ai!
[07:03] <Kilos> even afet update and upgrade
[07:03] <Kilos> after
[07:03] <mazal> Standing still for ages at " gathering information about your system " with no hdd activity or anything happening further
[07:04] <mazal> Yeah , updates is first thing I do
[07:04] <Kilos> try the additional drivers option
[07:07] <mazal> That's the one hanging
[07:08] <Kilos> ai!
[07:08] <mazal> And drivers is important for me Steam
[07:09] <Kilos> you will get it
[07:10] <mazal> Will check again later , busy setting up backup first now
[07:10] <Kilos> maybe you are rushing it too much
[07:11] <mazal> Left it for long , but will try again last and leave it longer
[07:23] <MaNI> Has anyone here ever shipped something "USPS First Class International" - how long did it take?
[07:27] <magespawn> good morning
[07:28] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[07:31] <mazal> Time to get minecraft working :)
[07:31] <mazal> Hi magespawn
[08:03] <magespawn> hey mazal 
[08:14] <dlPhreak> Good morning everyone
[08:17] <mazal> Hi dlPhreak
[08:17] <mazal> Ugh man I hate this part , installating all the additional software :P
[08:18] <Kilos> time consuming
[08:20] <mazal> And the ppa's are missing and makes it harder
[08:20] <mazal> Or doesn't exist yet I should say
[08:22] <Wolfeyes> heya magespawn
[08:23] <Wolfeyes> heya dlPhreak
[08:26] <mazal> Oh man this is not good. One of my main apps is not installable :(
[08:27] <mazal> " handbrake-gtk : Depends: libx264-146 but it is not installable "
[08:39] <Kilos> check in repos
[08:55] <superfly> Kilos: it wasn't me!
[08:57] <Kilos> hahaha hi superfly 
[09:00] <mazal> Oh man this is getting worse and worse
[09:00] <mazal> Another one of my apps don't have a deb or repo anymore :( Only win installers
[09:02] <mazal> Only source code , and I have no idea how to use that
[09:02] <Kilos> only worry about what you need in the near future
[09:03] <Kilos> or learn
[09:03] <Kilos> http://askubuntu.com/questions/140998/compiling-source-into-a-deb-package
[09:04] <mazal> This is apps I need
[09:04] <mazal> Some of my mosed used stuff
[09:04] <mazal> most*
[09:04] <Kilos> it will get done
[09:04] <Kilos> you didnt want to wait for release
[09:08] <mazal> No this project doesn't have "any" repo or debs anymore. For no version of Ubu or linux
[09:08] <Kilos> remember this next time you want to upgrade early
[09:09] <mazal> Shees I won't be able to do half the stuff I do
[09:09] <Kilos> compli your own from the source
[09:09] <Kilos> compile
[09:09] <superfly> mazal: which app is that?
[09:09] <mazal> I should have dual booted
[09:10] <mazal> superfly,DVD styler
[09:10] <mazal> I use it to recompile video files I cleaned
[09:10] <mazal> And the other is Handbrake , that takes to mp4
[09:11] <superfly> handbrake is in the repos?
[09:11] <superfly> I dunno, I use ffmpeg on the command line
[09:11] <superfly> yup, handbrake is still there
[09:13] <mazal> Hang on let me see , I tried the developer repo
[09:13] <superfly> mazal: I try to stay far away from ppas
[09:14] <mazal> Lots of software you can only get in ppa's
[09:14] <mazal> Handbrake was one of them. Never was in Ubu repo's before
[09:14] <mazal> Ok I see it in repo's , gonna try that
[09:16] <mazal> And I see they changed the package name also , is why apt install didn't see it
[09:16] <inetpro> mazal: you are wrong, listen to superfly
[09:16] <mazal> inetpro, I have plenty of apps that is not in Ubu repo's. So what must one do then , not have apps ?
[09:16] <inetpro> handbrake is there in the standard repos under Section: universe/graphics
[09:17] <inetpro> btw, good mornings everyone
[09:17] <mazal> Yeah that one I found now like I said
[09:17] <inetpro> oh and mazal sorry but I can not discuss now, too much on my plate here
[09:17] <superfly> mazal: look for alternatives?
[09:18] <mazal> They change the package name also otherwise apt in cli would have gotten it from there anyway
[09:18] <superfly> "apt search <part of package name>"
[09:18] <inetpro> feel free to talk to others though... but ultimately I agree 100% with spuerfly, stay away from PPA's as far as humanly possible
[09:18] <inetpro> s/spuerfly/superfly/
[09:18] <mazal> Many times one has no choice. If software isn't there one have to go ppa's
[09:19]  * inetpro bites his lip and avoids arguing 
[09:20] <mazal> I get what you guys saying , but the repo's simply doesn't have all software.
[09:20] <Kilos> lol
[09:21] <Kilos> they afre still working on it mazal 
[09:21] <Kilos> are
[09:23] <mazal> Kilos, there are plenty software they simply don't put in the repo's. The next one on my list for example , the media server I use , has never been in any Ubu repo
[09:23] <Kilos> thats your choice
[09:23] <mazal> If it's the only thing that works I don't really have a choice
[09:23] <Kilos> always try built in apps first
[09:24] <mazal> There is no alternatives
[09:24] <Kilos> works for what
[09:24] <mazal> This one is a media server that serves media to my PS3
[09:24] <mazal> And this is just one example
[09:25] <mazal> I install most apps from repo's sure. It's always my first choice also , but it simply doesn't have everything
[09:25] <Kilos> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ps3MediaServer
[09:26] <mazal> And there you proove my point , add ppa in those steps lol
[09:26] <Kilos> but the main thing now is if ubuntu itself is running properly not gaming add ons
[09:26]  * inetpro would love to see the long list of software he uses of which he claims there is no other alternatives
[09:28] <mazal> Media serving is not a gaming add-on. It's a entertainment source that many peeps use in their homes. I just happen to use the PS3 as a front-end
[09:29] <Kilos> somewhere the is an irc channel where they work on all the stuff for releases
[09:29] <Kilos> i couldnt follow half or more of what they are doing
[09:30] <Kilos> so better to wait for release date imo
[09:31] <mazal> Ag no can't use this one either
[09:32] <mazal> Depends on openjdk7 , and I think we are on 8 if I am not mistaken
[09:32] <Kilos> have you set your update manager to see other apps
[09:34] <mazal> This one's project was stopped in 2013 :(
[09:34] <Kilos> ai!
[09:34] <Kilos> find an alternative
[09:35] <magespawn> mazal that does happen on occasion, sometimes the project is taken up later 
[09:37] <mazal> magespawn, yeah. Another one of my favs that died is REDO backup
[09:37] <mazal> This one seems to work with java 8 though , could do the config. Will test tonight properly
[09:38] <mazal> libdvdcss I can't get either
[09:40] <mazal> Ok oom Kilos , I can't go any further so time to test that iso generate thing
[09:40] <Kilos> ok
[09:41] <mazal> I see they regularly updated it , so here goes
[09:42] <mazal> Another example of software not in the repo's btw
[09:42] <Kilos> there will be something about it in google
[09:42] <mazal> Kilos, I'm gonna do an iso , take it to stick or dvd , and boot with that to test. Will give feedback after that
[09:43] <Kilos> i looked for a package before and thought it was missing but it had been built into something else
[09:43] <Kilos> ok
[09:44] <magespawn> mazal isn't libdvdcss in restricted?
[09:53] <Kilos> or built into dvdread or the lib package
[10:00] <Kilos> Maaz coffee on
[10:00]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[10:04] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[10:05] <Kilos> Maaz ty
[10:05] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[10:27] <magespawn> whoops, did not even seem hom leave
[10:27] <magespawn> s/hom/him
[10:27] <Kilos> lol
[10:38] <Kilos-> hmm...
[11:59] <mazal> Oom Kilos , some feedback on systemback
[12:00] <mazal> Creates iso easily. On the life iso right now. All seems fine with all apps included
[12:00] <mazal> However , it still puts all your configs into the iso as well
[12:00] <mazal> So it's still an excellent option for private use and recovery , but can't be given to someone sle for use
[12:03] <mazal> Even my email config is in the live system. Very nice option for private use
[12:15] <magespawn> so you need to create a system or another live system to create the systemback cd from
[12:15] <magespawn> and he is gone again
[12:16] <Kilos-> ai!
[12:19] <Kilos-> ty  mazal 
[12:19] <Kilos-> ill try remember that
[12:19] <mazal> Works very nice oom , very straight forward
[12:19] <Kilos-> cool
[12:20] <mazal> Just a pitty there isn't an options for " no user config mode " or something like that
[12:20] <mazal> One wouldn't be able to give that iso for someone else to install or try Ubu
[12:20] <mazal> But I will defnitely use it for my re-installs on my own pc's
[12:21] <Kilos-> if you want to install for others maybe you could delete conf files maybe
[12:21] <magespawn> so you need to create a system or another live cd/usb to create the systemback cd from
[12:21] <Kilos-> and maybe the addusers way
[12:22] <magespawn> does it copy all the config files for all the users on a system?
[12:23] <mazal> magespawn,I dunno , I only have 1 user on my pc
[12:24] <mazal> magespawn, and no , systemback is installed on your current system. From it's interface you create a live iso. Then just burn the iso to dvd or usb
[12:25] <mazal> It has some other system restore point features as well that I haven't tried
[12:29] <Kilos-> hi bushtech hows the signal today
[12:30] <magespawn> so then if using it for distibution, create a live cd with it installed, then install all the needed software and then create the systemback cd
[12:31] <magespawn> live usb migh work better, then you can add software as needed
[12:31] <magespawn> s/migh/might
[12:31] <bushtech> Kilos-: Still more or less the same. the second line on mtr is just ???. Cant even id the ip addres
[12:31] <Kilos-> eish
[12:31] <Kilos-> TheMurdz 
[12:31] <TheMurdz> Ola!
[12:32] <TheMurdz> What's up
[12:32] <Kilos-> has afrihost got any clout with mtn
[12:32] <TheMurdz> MEH, a little bit. Mainly if it's related to us. If it's unrelated to us, then meh.
[12:32] <Kilos-> poor bushtech having a hard time
[12:33] <TheMurdz> Hmm, What's the Eish bushtech?
[12:33] <bushtech> and still waiting on them for tower location
[12:34] <TheMurdz> Oh geez. Hmm
[12:34] <bushtech> my speed has dropped
[12:34] <TheMurdz> Can you send me the ref that MTN Got you?
[12:34] <TheMurdz> gave *
[12:34] <TheMurdz> (again)
[12:34] <bushtech> coming up
[12:35] <bushtech> pm'ed
[12:35] <TheMurdz> :)
[12:36] <mazal> magespawn, that's exactly what I use it for. re-install with all extra software already included
[12:37] <mazal> I install normal on my pc , add all extra software I need. Install systemback and then make live iso with systemback
[12:38] <mazal> Been doing it for years to save time and data on re-installs. Previously used remastersys , but that project died also
[12:41] <pavlushka> Hello everyone!!!
[12:44] <magespawn> hi pavlushka 
[12:49] <TheMurdz> Heya hey
[12:51] <Kilos-> oh bushtech you can run sudo fstrim -v /when things get slow
[12:51] <Kilos-> then trim doent need to be activated
[12:54] <bushtech> Kilos-: I did last night and it did something but I don't think it used my ssd as fstrim apparently doesn't run on ext2 disks and my ssd is ext2 :(
[12:55] <Kilos-> oh my
[12:55] <pavlushka> TheMurdz: hey Heya
[12:55] <Kilos-> why ext2
[12:59] <bushtech> have no idea why I did that, was a long long time ago (in a galaxy far away)
[12:59] <Kilos-> hahaha
[12:59] <Kilos-> ext4 much better and less likely to lose data with power cuts
[13:00] <bushtech> the ssd only runs an OS so not much going on there
[13:00] <Kilos-> oh you not using it for everything
[13:01] <Kilos-> mine has to do everything
[13:01] <bushtech> it runs my media server
[13:01] <Kilos-> ah
[13:40] <mazal> bushtech, it is you that uses plex for media serving ?
[13:46] <Kilos-> inetpro go home
[13:46] <Kilos-> just in case storm coming
[13:47] <Kilos-> dont let the wind blow you off the bicycle
[13:55] <magespawn> hoem time chat later
[13:55] <magespawn> home too
[14:06] <bushtech> mazal: I di install plex on my media server but then found I could access  my files directly without using plex. So, I've got it but dont use it
[14:19] <mazal> bushtech, ok. Time is now for me to look into alternatives. The one I used is outdated
[14:43] <zipper> Kilos-: Hey, it went well?
[14:43] <Kilos-> what zipper ?
[14:43] <zipper> The translation stuff?
[14:44] <zipper> 0.o
[14:44] <Kilos-> i have no idea anymore, i think they are connected now
[14:44] <Kilos-> i did the intros and left the mail contacting to them
[14:45] <Kilos-> i spose i could have asked them to cc me as well, but i already get too many mails
[14:50] <Kilos-> ill ask mike
[15:51] <zipper> Kilos-: It's okay
[15:52] <zipper> Kilos-: Awesome
[16:55] <Wolfeyes> Evening everyone
[16:56] <Wolfeyes> Kilos-: I got sed working on windows with cygwin
[16:57] <Kilos-> whatever that is
[16:58] <Wolfeyes> lol
[17:00] <Kilos-> i go eat
[17:00] <Kilos-> wbb
[18:39]  * mazal fiddles
[18:39] <Kilos> dont break things
[18:40] <mazal> I'm nored
[18:40] <mazal> bored*
[18:40] <mazal> Need something to do
[18:43] <Kilos> mazal i been thinking
[18:43] <pavlushka> Kilos: what?
[18:43] <Kilos> if you install from a systemback iso
[18:43] <Kilos> and you add an admin user
[18:44] <Kilos> then remove yourself
[18:44] <Kilos> does that person then have full control and have all his own config files
[18:45] <Kilos> and how would one remove all your own config files 
[18:45] <pavlushka> Kilos: supposed to and yes, I did that on Ubuntu and Windows
[18:45] <mazal> That should work Kilos , as long as you do the install yourself
[18:45] <mazal> Create 2nd admin user and wipe the original user and it's home folder
[18:46] <Kilos> yes
[18:46] <mazal> Don't have 2nd pc , otherwise I would have tested it. But in theory it should work
[18:47] <pavlushka> I practical, it works as well.
[18:48] <pavlushka> *in practical
[18:48] <mazal> It's the same as if I give this pc as is to someone. Create id for him then wipe my own id and folder
[18:48] <Kilos> yeah
[18:48] <mazal> One must just remember to make that 2nd id an admin id
[18:49]  * pavlushka yep
[18:49] <mazal> BTW , on kubuntu do you just select that "admin user" option on the user's properties ?
[18:50] <Kilos> i havent looked
[18:50] <mazal> Or do you have to manually go add it to the sudo group in cli
[18:51] <Kilos> you can do it from cli quite easilly
[18:51] <Kilos> the pro showed me how couple of years ago
[18:52] <Kilos> unity needed and extra admin to fix the first admins probs
[18:52] <mazal> I usually did it by adding the user to sudo group , but that was a while ago
[18:53] <mazal> That's a good idea on any system really
[18:53] <Kilos> it was just admin or --admin added to the adduser command
[18:53] <mazal> On winbloze I always have a 2nd admin user
[18:54] <mazal> I added one now via user manager in system settings , but when I go back there it's gone
[18:54] <Kilos> lol
[18:57] <mazal> Gonna test it in a seperate terminal with an upgrade command
[18:58] <Wolfeyes> do you make the administrator appear in the tick box in admin tools mazal?
[18:59] <mazal> kewl , worked. So selecting that "admin user" in the user properties does the trick
[19:00] <mazal> Wolfeyes, no was wondering if that admin user option in the user's properties will give him full rights
[19:00] <Wolfeyes> from 7 they started to hide the admin user account, could even have been vista
[19:00] <Wolfeyes> it should
[19:01] <mazal> This is on Kubuntu Wolfeyes.
[19:01] <Wolfeyes> ah
[19:01] <mazal> It still doesn't show in my id's user manager anymore
[19:01] <mazal> But can log in with it though
[19:03] <Kilos> dont delete your home folder just rename it when you get there
[19:03] <mazal> No not gonna test that on this machine :P
[19:03] <Kilos> could be some hassle if both admins end up with same home
[19:03] <mazal> I just finished installing it hehehehe
[19:03] <Kilos> haha
[19:03] <mazal> This is the time I miss a "play and mess around with" pc
[19:05] <mazal> How do I see a user's info in cli ?
[19:05] <mazal> For example his group memberships
[19:11] <Kilos> i need sleep
[19:11] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:11] <mazal> Nag oom , lekker slaap
[19:12] <Kilos> dankie jy ook
[19:37] <inetpro> _