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MichaelTunnellis Snappy going to be available by default in Lubuntu 16.04?03:11
ianorlinMichaelTunnell, lubuntu will still install with .debs but with lubuntu in 16.04 you could install the snapcraft package to make snaps if you really wanted to03:17
ianorlin!info snapcraft xenial03:18
ubottusnapcraft (source: snapcraft): easily craft snaps. In component universe, is extra. Version 2.8.2 (xenial), package size 58 kB, installed size 346 kB03:18
citizenruinteward buddy you on?03:45
Caerus!info libandroidsdk-sdklib-java06:14
ubottulibandroidsdk-sdklib-java (source: androidsdk-tools): Android SDKlib. In component universe, is extra. Version 22.2+git20130830~92d25d6-1 (wily), package size 23 kB, installed size 61 kB06:14
Caerus!info androidsdk-tools06:15
ubottuPackage androidsdk-tools does not exist in wily06:15
Caerusis there an official android sdk n the repositories for 14.02? and if so, could anyone tell me if it's recommended to use it?06:16
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Laurenzoanyone else having trouble upgrading from 14.04 -> 15.10 ?09:05
LaurenzoI've installed few packages from unofficial repositories, such as sbt... and now seems like I can't upgrade to 15.10 :P09:05
Laurenzothough I am not certain it is the packages from unofficial repositories09:06
Laurenzomaybe should do some log viewing09:06
hateballLaurenzo: It's not a supported upgrade path to start with09:07
hateballWait for 16.04 and upgrade to that, LTS to LTS is supported09:07
Laurenzohateball: My mistake: I mean 15.0409:09
hateball!eolupgrade09:10
ubottuEnd-Of-Life is the time when security updates and support for an Ubuntu release stop, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases for more information. Looking to upgrade from an EOL release? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades09:10
Laurenzohateball: thank you - never realized that since lubuntu kept bringing that upgrade possibility up every time :)09:12
michael__hi11:59
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Guest35377what about the lubuntu-16.04-rc-desktop-armhf-raspberry-pi.img, is it for both, pi2 and pi3?12:09
* phil42 guesses yes13:05
* phil42 is confident13:05
Guest35377hmm, lubuntu for rpi is using an "old" kernel?13:23
Guest353774.1.19-v7+13:25
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Guest35377why?13:32
phil42because we like you13:37
Guest35377ah, rpi-update do the trick :)13:37
Guest35377sorry, i tought the latest image is still on 4.413:39
phil42you could try  "rpi-update next"13:40
Guest35377ok, thanks for the hint13:40
phil42do itashimashite13:40
Guest353774.4.7-v7+, that's looking better :)13:44
Guest35377"rpi-update next" is making a downgrade to 4.4.6-v7+ ?13:48
phil42i guess you will have to rpi-update again13:50
Guest35377k, waiting for reboot ...13:51
Guest35377ok, rpi-update did the trick again. back on 4.4.7-v7+.14:05
Guest35377but what does "itashimashite" mean?14:06
phil42do itashimashite = you are welcome in Japanese14:06
phil42doe itashimashite14:07
phil42if you do this long enough you learn to to say thankyou and you are welcome in all major languages14:07
Guest35377sorry, i do not get that ... i do not understand that. I understood "Arigatou" ... ah, ok, google is your friend ... "doumo arigatou gozaimasu"14:13
geniimr roboto14:14
Guest35377:)14:14
phil42どういたしまして14:17
Guest35377hmmm, but cat /proc/cpuinfo on my rpi3 still tells me it is an "ARMv7 Processor rev 4 (v7l)" ?14:17
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Guest35377so it is also compatible to my "old" rpi2?14:19
tewardthe image is compatible with both14:21
tewardyour rpi3 supports ARMv8 instruction set and arm64, but the images are armhf and work for both the RPi2 and RPi314:21
Guest35377will there be an optimized image for the armv8 too?14:23
phil42they say 1G isn't enough memory to run a desktop in 64 bit14:23
phil42so i say give me something that will run, then14:24
Guest35377is the 1G the only reason for an non 64bit os?14:24
phil42your guess is as good as mine14:25
Guest35377i see the different between the rpi 2 and 3 on for exp. boot up. but why the hype with 64 bit?14:26
phil42it runs faster14:27
Guest35377but there is no 64bit os. yes the cpu is faster, 800MHz vs. 1200 Mhz14:27
tewardat 1GB, there's no real performance difference between arm64 and armhf14:28
tewardso...14:28
phil42one big benefit of 64 bit is the ability to address alot of memory which pi3 does not have14:29
Guest35377so 64bit is only "advertising"?14:29
phil42you can use it if in 64 bit mode if you have the need and the software14:30
phil42and i think they should provide some kind of 64 bit software for it14:31
phil42if not a desktop then whatever else14:31
Guest35377phil42, i allways thought 64bit software can handle faster requests as the 32bit software?14:31
phil42it can address the memory faster14:31
phil42and the 64 bit processors are usually newer versions that run faster14:32
Guest35377thats what i mean14:32
TheSchafand they have 64 bit registers so they can do 64 bit calculations faster :P14:33
Guest35377never seen, that a rpi is swapping, but to handle memory faster would be nice ..14:33
Guest35377i have a question about the kernel. how can i figure out if it is a "normal", "low latency" or "rt" kernel?14:53
geniiuname -r should tell you14:58
Guest35377genii, uname -r only shows "4.4.7-v7+" nothing more. "uname -a" shows Linux zwerg3 4.4.7-v7+ #877 SMP Sun Apr 17 12:48:36 BST 2016 armv7l armv7l armv7l GNU/Linux. "uname -v" shows #877 SMP Sun Apr 17 12:48:36 BST 201615:05
Guest35377so how to figure out?15:06
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Guest1506again, how do i figure out, if my kernel is an normal, low-latency or rt kernel?15:50
james1138Hello all. Question for group. I have a Lexmark x9575 multi-function printer that I know there are no linux print drivers for... however would anyone know if there are any "generic/cups" printer drivers that can be used to print text or word documents?16:57
james1138Different question...just want is the difference between 14.0.4.4 lts and the upcoming 16??16:59
wxljames1138: 16 is newer, but still an lts. you want that. :)17:00
james1138Any new features or just bugs fixes?17:00
tewardtons of both, I believe17:01
tewarddepends on what packages you look at ;)17:01
wxlexactly17:01
wxlyou'll find systemd under the hood, for example17:01
james1138The apps I use most are Libreoffice, Seamonkey and Kodi (xbmc)17:01
james1138The ones I cannot update because the updates frustrate me are Calendar Indicator and XFCE power manager17:04
james1138Sorry... and my-weather-indicator17:05
wxlyou could hold them before you upgrade17:06
james1138I already locked them via Synaptic17:06
wxlthere you go17:06
james1138Is there any way to install a much older version of Banshee?  The newer version cannot easily stream Shoutcast.17:08
wxlyeah you could find the .deb file, uninstall your current version, install that version, and then hold it17:08
wxlassuming that no dependencies are affected in ways that conflict with other software17:08
wxlgenerally, the more sustainable way to fix problems is to file bug reports17:09
wxlespecially for regressions17:09
james1138I get Error dependency not satifiable libgdatac1.9 cil17:12
wxlprobably because some other software requires a greater version17:13
wxlyou could sort through the dependency hell and figure it out17:13
wxlor you could file a bug report and get it fixed17:13
james1138<sob> Ok.  I stick with Kodi17:13
james1138Different question altogther. Is Kino the only video editing software that handles digitial video (DV)?  I have old VHS tapes to make into MP4 files.17:15
james1138....or is the a GUI for dvgrab?17:18
wxli am honestly not sure!17:19
wxlyou might want to check with #ubuntu which has more folks with more experience, so they may be able to help. there's also #ubuntu-studio which is entirely focused on audio/video stuff, so they might know, too.17:20
james1138Thanks. I just sent the same question to Ubuntu.17:21
wxlgreat! sorry i could be of more help.17:21
james1138Back to Lubuntu... when Lubuntu goes to LQxt instead of LDXE.... will us that still use LXDE lose it when we do switch to that future upgrade?17:23
wxlno not necessarily17:23
wxlin all reality the two systems can live on the same machine17:23
wxlas long as you have the same gtk libraries, you can still use gtk software17:24
wxli'm sure we'll provide instructions on how to have that setup when we release it17:24
wxlwe'll also likely provide instructions on how to remove the lxqt components and stick with lxde entirely17:25
wxllxde is not totally dead in terms of upstream development17:25
wxlbut most focus is on lxqt, so it's definitely the healthier side of the project, i.e. the one to be the least buggy17:25
wxlwhich is to say that you might have difficulties with lxde that won't be solved as quickly as they would with lxqt17:26
wxlbecause of that, i would advise that people get rid of lxde and get lxqt instead BUT keep their gtk libraries so they can continue to run their gtk software17:26
james1138Thanks Wxl!  This old dog rather not have to learn new tricks if he does not have to. <grin>17:26
wxlheheh understood :)17:26
pi_is here some one to help18:17
Ladeehi there18:54
* genii makes more coffee18:54
* Ladee brings some cookies18:55
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