[00:13] <ahoneybun> mariogrip, some progress I see for bacon
[02:09] <Espionage724> what is ubuntu-pd? I see it as a channel choice
[02:12] <Stanley00> Espionage724: I think it's called Ubuntu Personal http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-publishes-impressive-road-map-for-all-of-their-ubuntu-products-488428.shtml
[02:22] <Espionage724> on cdimage there's somethign called Ubuntu Pocket Desktop; never heard of it before
[03:26] <Espionage724> ended up installing ubuntu-pd just to see what it really was; looks like regular touch only it comes with Firefox, LibreOffice, Gimp, and XChat-GNOME; clicking any of those however do nothing
[03:54] <ziz15> hi everyone i just learn about ubuntu-touch and i'd like to ask:Can i install ubuntu-touch in a device other that the devices listed on site?thanks(sorry for my english)
[03:55] <Stanley00> ziz15: you have to port it to your device in that case. Did you port any rom before?
[03:55] <ziz15> Stanley00: no
[03:56] <Stanley00> ziz15: hmm... in this case, I think it's nearly imposible. What is your device then?
[03:57] <ziz15> Stanley00:if i use the installation guide could i manage to install ubuntu-touch?
[03:57] <Stanley00> ziz15: first, try looking your device name on this page. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[03:58] <ziz15> Stanley00: device is MANTA MID706 DUO POWER HD TABLET 7 4GB ANDROID 4.1
[03:58] <Stanley00> ziz15: if it's not listed there, you have to follow this guide, https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/phone/devices/porting-new-device/
[03:59] <ziz15> Stanley00: ok i look into that..thanks man
[03:59] <Stanley00> ziz15: you're welcome
[08:41] <gnumdk> Hello
[08:41] <gnumdk> I've got an issue on my Meizu MX4, no more lock screen, any idea on how to debug this?
[10:58] <gihel> hey guys, I found the cause for at least one scope broken https://bugs.launchpad.net/news-scope/+bug/1572074 and I'm looking forward for the other one
[10:58] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1572074 in News Scope "Le Monde scope broken" [Undecided,New]
[11:11] <gihel> and for the second one https://bugs.launchpad.net/news-scope/+bug/1572080 first time I report a bug, tell me if I did something wrong !
[11:11] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1572080 in News Scope "Libération scope broken" [Undecided,New]
[11:32] <knightwise> Feeling daring today and taking my ubuntu phone to work as my ONLY device
[11:32] <knightwise> since i'm an entrepreneur I live off my phone so its going to be an interesting experiement
[11:32] <knightwise> so far Gekko and telegram are behaving very well
[11:35] <mcphail> knightwise: all or nothing is the only way ;)
[11:37] <knightwise> mcphail: true. I imported my google contacts into Gekko and I can pretty much get around that way
[11:37] <knightwise> I do have my ipad with me as a backup
[11:37] <knightwise> just in case
[11:37] <mcphail> knightwise: throw it away!
[11:37] <knightwise> Dude :) I need to make a living
[11:38] <mcphail> ;)
[11:40] <knightwise> But i DO enjoy the somewhat spartan ubuntu phone.
[11:40] <knightwise> not too many bells and whistles = less distractions
[11:40] <knightwise> havent been brosing facebook or instagram needlessly today
[11:41] <mcphail> knightwise: on a more serious note, I was thinking it would be useful to have a mailing list thread outlining the real-world problems we face using ubuntu as a solitary device. I was thinking of rustling something up with my own experiences
[11:48] <knightwise> true.
[11:49] <knightwise> there is a big gap between the "developer who loves to tinker" and the professional who needs to make a living
[11:49] <popey> http://www.windowscentral.com/check-out-windows-10-pc-inside-tiny-foldable-keyboard-case
[11:49] <popey> natty little device
[11:49] <popey> imagine ubuntu on that
[11:50] <ogra_> neat !
[11:51] <ogra_> imagine ubuntu with aethercast on that ;)
[11:52] <mcphail> popey: that black one looks like a Spectrum+. How the wheel turns!
[11:53] <popey> yeah
[12:03] <Sleep_Walker> nice
[12:48] <mhall119> oSoMoN: can you give another UOS session about the webbrowser app and how you're making it work on both desktop and phone/tablet?
[13:13] <oSoMoN> mhall119, the process hasn’t changed since last time, but if you think that’d be valuable, I guess I could
[13:13] <oSoMoN> mhall119, when is UOS?
[13:17] <mhall119> oSoMoN: May 3-5
[13:51] <ogra_> hangouts !!!
[13:51] <ogra_> http://i.imgur.com/gSPT5uj.png
[13:56] <MCMic> Great, another Google-only technology in ubuntu touch :-/
[13:56] <ogra_> MCMic, you can use any webrtc service
[13:56] <MCMic> I don’t get the point of using Ubuntu touch if it’s for using google services, the point of not using Android is to avoid Google.
[13:57] <ogra_> point is that video calls work now
[13:57] <MCMic> ogra_: Oh, so it’s a webapp on your screenshot?
[13:57] <ogra_> MCMic, its just the browser
[13:57] <MCMic> Ok, sorry, I jumped to conclusinos
[13:57] <MCMic> conclusions*
[13:58] <MCMic> I’m just missing an XMPP client on Ubuntu touch, and a sync GUI for other things that google.
[13:58] <ogra_> hangouts is simply most popular (and we use it to communicate in canonical)
[13:58] <ogra_> they will all come
[13:58] <dobey> i don't think you can avoid google, even if you were to go to mars :(
[13:58] <ogra_> just a matter of time
[13:58] <MCMic> I hope so :-)
[13:58] <ogra_> dobey, mars ? dont you need amazon prime for that ?
[13:59] <dobey> ogra_: i'm sure google provides the fiber connection though
[13:59] <ogra_> ah, yeah ... monoplists ... screw them :P
[14:00] <dobey> and yeah, i have to use google for a great many things; but i still don't want android
[14:00] <ogra_> yep
[14:00]  * ogra_ wishes the calendar would work though :/
[14:00] <davmor2> MCMic: you can use the same enablement to run on webrtc too though I think
[14:01] <ogra_> yes, in fact it *is* webrtc :)
[14:01] <davmor2> ogra_: it does work for everyone that isn't you :P
[14:01] <dobey> ogra_: well, since i can't select calendars other than my personal calendar for google in the calendar app, that's pretty useless anyway :)
[14:01] <davmor2> ogra_: I stand corrected you and dobey
[14:01] <ogra_> davmor2, well, i'm a bit ahead of time ... the patch is still landing (i hacked the UA ovveride in manually)
[14:02] <dobey> davmor2: obviously you haven't tested it yet, if you think it works :)
[14:02] <davmor2> dobey: calendar on the phone work it annoys the crap out of me when I'm on holiday
[14:02] <ogra_> dobey, i *can* select my company calendar ... but since about two weeks it stopped showing events in the indicator ... no matter what i do ... so i miss all noticfications
[14:02]  * ogra_ blames charles_ 
[14:03] <ogra_> (and it is the same across all devices for me ... doesnt matter of phone or tablet)
[14:03] <dobey> ogra_: well you can only select the primary calendar for that account right? not calendars owned by others that you are subscribed to, or other calendars you own?
[14:04] <ogra_> dobey, right
[14:04] <ogra_> but all events i care about are copied into my cal
[14:04] <ogra_> and they show up on the today scope as well as in the app
[14:04] <ogra_> the indicator only shows events in my private cal though
[14:05] <ogra_> might be some oauth issue
[14:05] <dobey> not for me. almost all the events i care about dealing with are in other calendars
[14:05] <ogra_> in any case i'm missing meetings all the time :/
[14:08] <dobey> ogra_: and the events all have alarms set as the notification method, in the google calendar web page?
[14:10] <ogra_> dobey, yes ... they all stopped working all of a sudden
[14:10] <ogra_> (on all devices arounmd the same time)
[14:12] <ogra_> what i learned you should definitely not do is to delete the calendar on disk and then hit sync btw ...
[14:12] <dobey> ogra_: weird; i just added an event to my personal calendar in google, re-synced (after dealing with several resync errors), and now the event shows up in indicator
[14:12] <ogra_> wiped my calendart twice already
[14:12] <ogra_> dobey, now do the same in your canonical calendar
[14:13] <dobey> ogra_: i don't have that account on my phone, because there's no way in hell i want to type my password on my phone :)
[14:13] <ogra_> heh
[14:14] <ogra_> well, i do ... and i rely on the notifications since the calendar works
[14:15] <dobey> i really wish mir had support for being a synergy client
[14:15] <ogra_> http://i.imgur.com/6qN8oQz.png
[14:15] <dobey> then i could copy/paste it :)
[14:15] <ogra_> as you can see there is a meeting tomorrow in my calendar ...
[14:15] <ogra_> no indication of it in the indicator
[14:16] <dobey> huh
[14:16] <dobey> yeah, not sure what is causing that
[14:16] <ogra_> i think the 2fa gets in the way somehow ... since that is the big difference between the accounts
[14:16] <ogra_> but thats indeed a wild guess
[14:17] <dobey> could be, but you should get sync failed errors
[14:17] <ogra_> why ?
[14:17] <ogra_> it syncs fine
[14:17] <ogra_> (as you can see in the app)
[14:17] <dobey> ogra_: if 2fa is the problem; because 2fa being the issue means it needs to re-authenticate
[14:18] <dobey> ogra_: if you find the .ics file for that account in .local/share/evolution/ does the event have an alarm defined? or is this a recurring event?
[14:20] <ogra_> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ grep -r "Snappy" .local/share/evolution/calendar/*
[14:20] <ogra_> .local/share/evolution/calendar/1459439280.2411.0@ubuntu-phablet/calendar.ics:SUMMARY:Snappy Community Sync
[14:20] <ogra_> .local/share/evolution/calendar/1459439280.2411.0@ubuntu-phablet/calendar.ics:DESCRIPTION:Sync on the community topics around Snappy.
[14:20] <ogra_> it is re-curring (weekly)
[14:23] <ogra_> how would i know if theer is an alarm defined ?
[14:24] <ogra_> (whats the keyword)
[14:24] <dobey> i don't recall the spec for that bit :)
[14:24] <dobey> ogra_: VALARM i think
[14:25] <ogra_> yeah, seesm to be
[14:25] <ogra_> END:VALARM
[14:25] <dobey> ogra_: i think the issue you're seeing might be that the VALARM is only defined on the first instance
[14:25] <ogra_> ... and thats missing in the ics
[14:25] <dobey> hmm
[14:26] <dobey> charles_: ^^ is that the issue ogra has?
[14:28] <ogra_> ok. it works if i manually add reminders in the calendar app
[14:29] <ogra_> smells like we simply stopped to import that bit
[14:35] <dobey> not sure
[14:35] <dobey> it worked for me when i did it, so perhaps something weird going on there with recurring events
[15:23] <charles> ogra_, so you're saying it's an issue with imported calendar events, but not ones created on the device with calendar-app?
[15:23] <charles> renatu: ^
[15:23] <ogra_> chit is an issue with importing the alarm setting it seems ... enabling the alarm loacally lists the events again
[15:23] <ogra_> charles, ^^
[15:24] <cariveri> Hi. is there a wy to pin favourite apps to the leftside bar?
[15:24] <ogra_> cariveri, start the app ... open the launcher, long-pree the icon
[15:24] <ogra_> *long-press
[15:24] <renatu> ogra_, I think we have a fix for that on silo 9
[15:25] <ogra_> cool
[15:25] <renatu> ogra_, could you check if silo 9 fix your problem?
[15:27] <ogra_> not today, sorry
[15:27] <ogra_> (super busy with pre-release stuff)
[15:30] <cariveri> ogra_: great:) thanks.
[15:34] <peat-psuwit> awe_: How is NM 1.2?
[15:38] <awe_> peat-psuwit, it's progressing.  There's a version in my PPA
[15:38] <awe_> but not yet in a silo
[15:38] <awe_> https://launchpad.net/~awe/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[15:40] <charles> ogra_, could you mail me an .ics file before and after enabling the alarm locally to re-list the event?
[15:40] <charles> ogra_, I'd like to see the diff, eg what's happening with the valarms
[15:41] <ogra_> charles, hmm, i enabled the events everywhere now (seems a sync even populated that setting to the other devices now)
[15:42] <peat-psuwit> awe_: Thanks
[15:43] <ogra_> i should have backed up the ics file earlier :(
[15:46] <charles> ogra_, if it happens again please do backup the ics file and ping me & renatu
[15:48] <ogra_> will do
[16:26] <peat-psuwit> awe_: Confirming that NM in your PPA works. rmnet devices disappear from 'nmcli device' and connectivity works.
[16:27] <awe_> great
[16:27] <awe_> working on getting that into rc-proposed... probably within the week
[16:27] <awe_> fighting a regression with hotspot on krillin atm
[16:27] <awe_> but otherwise it looks good
[16:28] <awe_> thanks for your feedback
[16:28] <peat-psuwit> awe_: BTW how hotspot works? It's grayed out on my device, so I guess there's some work to be done on my side.
[16:29] <lotuspsychje> Maesh: check the porting url in topic
[16:30] <lotuspsychje> Maesh: there is also the XDA forums as starting point no other projects
[16:30] <Maesh> i tried following that guide
[16:31] <Maesh> but i had some errors
[16:31] <lotuspsychje> Maesh: wich device are you trying to port?
[16:31] <Maesh> on phablet-dev-bootstrap the server couldnt be reached or something like that
[16:32] <Maesh> im trying the BQ Aquaris E5s
[16:32] <awe_> peat-psuwit, it only works on certain devices
[16:32] <Maesh> Lite
[16:32] <awe_> peat-psuwit, although I'm surprised it doesn't work on your device.  The system-settings code specifically checks device_name
[16:32] <awe_> so no "mako"
[16:33] <awe_> or "flo"
[16:33] <awe_> what's your device_name set to?
[16:34] <awe_> peat-psuwit, note... system-settings talks to the com.canonical.SystemImage DBus service to retrieve device_name
[16:34] <awe_> might be the same as reported by system-image-cli -i
[16:35] <peat-psuwit> awe_: w7, shares with all LG L90 models.
[16:35] <awe_> not it also relies on the ConnectivityService ( part of indicator-network ) properly reporting "ModemAvailable"
[16:36] <awe_> take a look at ubuntu-system-settings-0.3+15.04.20160407/plugins/hotspot/plugin/hotspot-plugin.cpp
[16:37] <awe_> again, whether or not the icon is grayed out is controled there
[16:37] <awe_> and it's all done via DBus queries
[16:37] <awe_> so you should be able to figure it out via dbus-send
[16:39] <Maesh> lotuspsychje?
[16:43] <lotuspsychje> Maesh: not sure if it can be ported
[16:43] <Maesh> lotuspsychje, why is that?
[18:42] <cliftonts> Evening everyone. Would here be the right place to get a little help getting the emulator in the SDK working correctly?
[18:54] <pmcgowan> cliftonts, did you see zoltan's email about downloading a premade chroot?
[19:01] <cliftonts> pmacgowan, not that I know of.
[19:03] <pat_> cliftonts, see his new release email on ubuntu-phone to see if it helps
[19:04] <dobey> pmcgowan: what does that have to do with emulator?
[19:05] <cliftonts> To be honest guys I'm not even sure of where you are talking about.
[19:05] <pmcgowan> he has an issue with the chroot  building it I thought
[19:05] <dobey> oh, perhaps
[19:05] <dobey> but was asking about creating emulator
[19:05] <pmcgowan> I corrrelated to the email he also wrote :)
[19:06] <cliftonts> dobey, he is right, I am getting errors creating the chroot.
[19:06] <dobey> cliftonts: why is it trying to create a 14.10 target?
[19:06] <dobey> cliftonts: you should be creating a 15.04 target
[19:07] <cliftonts> I'm glad one person knows who I am, but I have no idea who zoltan would be in the mailing list.
[19:07] <cliftonts> No idea dobey
[19:07] <popey> https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg19837.html
[19:07] <popey> thats probably the mail you were referring to pmcgowan . see ^ cliftonts
[19:07] <popey> specifically the "known issues" part
[19:07] <cliftonts> Framework 14.10 is the only option it gives me.
[19:07] <dobey> huh
[19:08] <taiebot> Hey i have a question do you get image updates when you have no sim card installed?
[19:08] <dobey> taiebot: wifi?
[19:08] <taiebot> dobey yes.
[19:08] <dobey> oh i thought you were asking "how"
[19:08] <dobey> yes, updates happen over wifi
[19:09] <popey> yes
[19:09] <popey> i dont have a sim in mine
[19:09] <dobey> my mako has never had a sim
[19:09] <taiebot> dobey. I was abroad this week end and connected on wifi and did not get any update
[19:09] <cliftonts> Hah! Trust me to jump on board just before the issue is resolved.
[19:09] <dobey> taiebot: from what channel?
[19:09] <dobey> and what device?
[19:10] <sergiusens> mhall119 how do you tell unity7 that you want the webbrowser to be your main browser?
[19:10] <taiebot> dobey popey: rc-proposed mako from thursday. i normally expect one on friday and saturday
[19:10] <cliftonts> popey, the fix suggested in that email does not work. Packages not found.
[19:10] <sergiusens> mhall119 and another one, does running a container instance and the browser per se work for you?
[19:10] <dobey> taiebot: there were definitely updates
[19:10] <davmor2> cliftonts: don't install the sdk from the repo there is a ppa that you are meant to install it from. https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/phone/platform/sdk/installing-the-sdk/
[19:11] <sergiusens> ogra_ my tablet has shipped!
[19:11] <cliftonts> Of course there is. Silly me for not expecting to work for it ;)
[19:11] <taiebot> dobey popey i had a look at doing updates via the command line but the ouput was talking about key errors.
[19:11] <cliftonts> My tablet began shipping but then changed its mind and went back to being a reservation.
[19:12] <dobey> sergiusens: unity7 doesn't have a concept of "browser" itself; if you go to system settings, details, "Default Applications" the browser needsd to appear in the list for "Web" to be selected as the default
[19:12] <ogra_> sergiusens, lucky you ... mine will arrive tomorrow (so susie can have the hand flashed one i use)
[19:13] <davmor2> cliftonts: the package in the archive can't be updated as quickly as the ppa can and the whole system is updated like every 6 weeks so that isn't possible to do from an archive package really unfortunately
[19:13] <dobey> taiebot: maybe you were on an unsafe wifi network that broke things? i definitely update my mako daily on wifi
[19:13] <sergiusens> dobey thanks that was what I was looking for
[19:14] <dobey> davmor2: guess you'll have to snap it then
[19:14] <cliftonts> davmor2, of course. Bare with me, I've never poked around at this before.
[19:14] <davmor2> dobey: I won't
[19:14] <sergiusens> ogra_ she's into Ubuntu too? Lucky you (I only got my wife to switch her laptop; she's too addicted to whatsapp, we did a 2 week trial)
[19:15] <taiebot> dobey me too was wondering if gsm network being roaming was triggering an error in checking for the download
[19:15] <ogra_> sergiusens, i wont maintin a win or OSX laptop for her ... so yes, she is on ubuntu all the time ...
[19:15] <ogra_> we both have nno whatsapp friends :)
[19:16] <dobey> taiebot: not unless the network is doing naughty things
[19:16] <taiebot> dobey: well i could donwload apps my daily updates of balls :-) should start playing this game
[19:18] <dobey> taiebot: well, i don't know. all i can tell you is that it works fine here. buy me tickets/hotel for london next week and i'll go try it there too ;)
[19:21] <cliftonts> Excellent! I've added the PPA and done update/upgrade. Now my system is broken.
[19:21] <cliftonts> click-system-hooks.service couldn't start.
[19:22] <cliftonts> I'm also getting this error that was present in the SDK too:
[19:22] <cliftonts> ImportError: cannot import name 'commands'
[19:24] <davmor2> cliftonts: I can't help you there I'm afraid, my knowledge ends at the page to install the sdk.
[19:24] <cliftonts> Never simple is it?
[19:24] <cliftonts> Trouble is I'm somewhat out of the loop. I haven't had the need to know anything about development until very recently.
[19:25] <cliftonts> I wonder if purging the SDK and reinstalling might help, it's rather ancient my copy.
[19:28] <dobey> cliftonts: what version of ubuntu is this even on?
[19:28] <cliftonts> 15.10
[19:29] <cliftonts> Interesting.... dpkg: warning: subprocess old pre-removal script returned error exit status 1
[19:29] <dobey> hmm
[19:30] <cliftonts> It looks like there is a library missing somewhere and it's crashing the install process.
[19:30] <cliftonts>    from click import commands
[19:30] <cliftonts> ImportError: cannot import name 'commands'
[19:30] <cliftonts> I'd guess at something not being installed that it depends on.
[19:30] <dobey> cliftonts: do you have python3-click installed?
[19:31] <cliftonts> Nope but I'm betting I can't install it without resolving this issue.
[19:33] <dobey> you should be able to
[19:34] <dobey> not sure how you got click installed without the python package it needs
[19:35] <cliftonts> Nope, it keeps telling me to run apt-get -f
[19:35] <cliftonts> I can't install anything. Could I remove click and reinstall?
[19:38] <dobey> yes, but i forget how to tell it to not run the scripts
[19:39] <cliftonts> I can't uninstall either. My system has essentially ground to a halt!
[19:39] <dobey> because you'll have to tell dpkg to not run the scripts when removing the package, otherwise it will try to run them and fail
[19:39] <dobey> don't be so dramatic :)
[19:39] <cliftonts> Why not? A little drama is good, who'd want to be boring?
[19:40] <dobey> a little sure; but "ground to a halt" is overly so :)
[19:40] <cliftonts> From a package management point of view it has.
[19:41] <cliftonts> Come to think of it, from every point of view! This Lenovo is a bit of a letdown.
[19:43] <cliftonts> how about dpkg --force breaks?
[19:44] <dobey> i don't recall
[19:44] <dobey> you /can/ just delete the script file from the dpkg database though
[19:45] <cliftonts> Oh I'm so out of practice doing things the hard way!
[19:46] <dobey> /var/lib/dpkg/info/click.{postinst,prerm}
[19:46] <cliftonts> Bare with me, my laptop is being a snail
[19:48] <cliftonts> I'm not getting anything coming up in that directory. Nautilus is just saying loading.
[19:49] <davmor2> cliftonts: it is a huge directory I'm not surprised
[19:49] <cliftonts> I'm doing it in terminal.
[19:50] <cliftonts> So delete them and then apt-get -f again?
[19:50] <dobey> yeah i wouldn't use nautilus
[19:51] <dobey> yeah
[19:51] <dobey> just those two though
[19:51] <cliftonts> Nope
[19:51] <cliftonts> It's still doing the same
[19:51] <dobey> ?
[19:51] <cliftonts> Yup
[19:55] <yellowolley> anyone here using the Aquaris M 10 already?
[19:57] <cliftonts> I have just downloaded python3.click and the software centre told me a later version is already installed when I opened the deb. Weird!
[19:58] <dobey> downloaded from where? and what version?
[20:00] <cliftonts> I just googled for it. I wanted to take a look at the package.
[20:00] <cliftonts> The point is it is installed but my system can't see it.
[20:00] <dobey> what does dpkg -l python3-click say?
[20:00] <dobey> no, you probably downloaded the wrong thing
[20:01] <cliftonts> ii  python3-click  0.4.40+15.10 amd64        Click packages (Python 3 interfac
[20:01] <dobey> so then it is installed
[20:02] <dobey> what does python3 -c "from click import commands" say?
[20:02] <cliftonts> Yes but when I tried to install it via command line it behaved like it wasn't
[20:02] <cliftonts> Good idea
[20:02] <cliftonts> ImportError: cannot import name 'commands'
[20:03] <cliftonts> import click works however so it is seeing the library as a whole.
[20:04] <dobey> is gir1.2-click-0.4 installed?
[20:04] <dobey> uhm
[20:04] <dobey> do you have any python stuff installed in /usr/local/?
[20:05] <cliftonts> yes
[20:05] <cliftonts> Not sure, hang on
[20:06] <dobey> i suspect you have a python package named "click" installed there, which is different from the ubuntu click stuff
[20:06] <cliftonts> Yes, quite a lot by the looks of it.
[20:06] <cliftonts> Yup
[20:06] <dobey> that's your problem
[20:06] <cliftonts> So, how to resolve this?
[20:06] <cliftonts> Manually remove it? Manually copy one over the other?
[20:06] <dobey> remove the "click" stuff from /usr/local
[20:08] <cliftonts> Bingo!
[20:09] <cliftonts> Not sure what it's doing now but it's not complaining so that must be progress.
[20:14] <cliftonts> Right, thanks for all that dobey. Everything is back up and running again. Question is, can I create the emulator?
[20:14] <dobey> you already created an emulator i thought
[20:14] <dobey> kit != emulator
[20:15] <cliftonts> I wasn't able to set it all up to run.
[20:15] <dobey> the emulator running has nothing to do with the sdk creating a chroot
[20:16] <dobey> cliftonts: what was the exact command you used to create the emulator?
[20:16] <cliftonts> I create a virtual device and it says it needs to run and identify before I can autocreate a kit for it. Then it wants me to do the chroot and that's when I had the problem.
[20:16] <cliftonts> I'm doing it in the SDK, not command line.
[20:17] <dobey> oh
[20:17] <dobey> yes, you have to start the emulator before you can autocreate a kit for it
[20:18] <cliftonts> Until I saw someone post a command here I didn't even know the commands to do it. I've never done this before.
[20:18] <cliftonts> I'm hoping once my new tablet arrives I'll be able to clear this machine and do a fresh install. That might help things a bit.
[20:19] <dobey> oh, you created a "stable" channel emulator i guess
[20:19] <cliftonts> Yes
[20:19] <dobey> that's why it wanted to create a 14.10 chroot. :-/
[20:20] <dobey> pmcgowan, davmor2: ^^ why is the emulator image so old in stable still?
[20:20] <pc_magas> Fellows greedings, I managed to make my application into a .deb package from ionic framework but how can I test that the .deb is created perfectly. Can be installed to a default ubuntu machine?
[20:20] <pmcgowan> dobey, it hasnt been promoted in ages, due to breakage
[20:20] <dobey> pc_magas: i think you want #ubuntu-packaging perhaps
[20:20] <pmcgowan> we are 1 fix away from promoting one
[20:20] <cliftonts> It is now insisting on updating kits. I can feel myself growing older! lol
[20:21] <dobey> pmcgowan: that's pretty awful considering we're telling people to use that for development :(
[20:21] <pmcgowan> dobey, could not agree more
[20:21] <pc_magas> Also does ubuntu phone installs lenses via .deb packages?
[20:21] <pmcgowan> we just fixed a slew of issues
[20:22] <dobey> pc_magas: no, it doesn't have lenses anyway; but / is a read-only partition on phone images
[20:23] <cliftonts> pmcgowan: I'm constantly amazed at how much has been achieved with so little. My phone has many rough edges but it's still my favourite of any I've ever owned. I'm really looking forward to seeing the endgame.
[20:23] <pc_magas> dobey, how apps (aka lens) in ubuntu are instelled. Eg I have made to make my application how do I distribute / test on my device?
[20:24] <pmcgowan> cliftonts, that is truly great to hear
[20:24] <dobey> pc_magas: follow the documentation on developer.ubuntu.com to build a click and upload it to the store
[20:24] <cliftonts> pc_magas: Are you talking about desktop or mobile?
[20:24] <pc_magas> cliftonts, mobile
[20:24] <pc_magas> of course Ionic is a framework for making mobile application by combinind apache cordova and Angulas.js
[20:25] <dobey> pc_magas: html5 apps are built in the sdk using cordova
[20:25] <pc_magas> And I managed to create a .deb with it.
[20:25] <cliftonts> pcmcgowan: I'm wanting to be part of that, to understand more about development and working with click. I've recently got a job as a software engineer. I can't think of a better time to take the plunge.
[20:26] <pc_magas> dobey, the framework magically can build tmy app by using the ubuntu sdk
[20:26] <dobey> pc_magas: i don't know about magically; but the sdk provides all the tools to build and package an html5 cordova app for the phone
[20:26] <dobey> (and tablet)
[20:27] <cliftonts> dobey: I think that is probably the thing I'm most unsure of. Designing for multiple platforms. I'm not artistic enough to create for one!
[20:28] <cliftonts> Excellent! I now have a DIFFERENT error when doing the chroot.
[20:29] <cliftonts> E: Failed getting release file http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/utopic/Release
[20:29] <dobey> cliftonts: yes, because 14.10 is no longer supported
[20:30] <pbrunier> doubting on buying the new tablet. Is it possible to install my own apps. Install from ordinary ARM repos without using a store or store account?
[20:31] <dobey> cliftonts: i would recommend not trying to use the stable emulator image right now, because it's so old :-/
[20:32] <cliftonts> Aah, so if I change my image it should work.
[20:32] <dobey> pbrunier: not exactly; some legacy apps are installable via libertine into a container. but you can't install arbitrary apps in / as it's read-only
[20:32] <pbrunier> dobey: Hmmm thats a big bummer. Would like to use it as a mobile Django dev computer
[20:33] <dobey> pbrunier: you can certainly do that i think
[20:34] <pbrunier> dobey: But it requires me to use a store right?
[20:35] <dobey> pbrunier: i'm not quite sure what exact issue you're trying to solve/avoid with "the store"
[20:35] <dobey> pbrunier: i'm not sure if you need to install a packge from the store or not to install legacy apps, but i think not
[20:36] <cliftonts> BQ are holding my tablet hostage I'm sure of it. The status changed from reservation to processing last week, then went back.
[20:36] <pbrunier> dobey: I dont like the store model, because they dont respect my privacy in general and don't give me full control over my bought software
[20:36] <cliftonts> It is processing again today so fingers crossed"
[20:36] <dobey> pbrunier: who is "they" exactly? and what do you mean "full control" exactly?
[20:38] <dobey> i'm not sure what sort of privacy of yours is not respected by the ubuntu app store on the phone, but there are no privacy issues with it
[20:39] <pbrunier> most appstores require an account and track my app usage
[20:40] <dobey> obviously an account is required
[20:40] <pbrunier> Why should that be obvious?
[20:40] <dobey> not sure what you mean by tracking "app usage" though
[20:41] <pbrunier> you dont need an account to use APT repositories
[20:42] <pbrunier> why should we need an account for a phone or tablet?
[20:42] <cliftonts> pbrunier: What are you doing on your tablet/phone which you need to keep so secret?
[20:42] <dobey> sure you do; how else do you access the internet?
[20:42] <dobey> cliftonts: that's a horrible way to argue the point :)
[20:42] <cliftonts> I'm not sure anyone can do me any damage by knowing I downloaded uNav
[20:42] <pbrunier> dobey: aaahh you know what I mean
[20:42] <cliftonts> dobey: Perhaps so, but it's direct
[20:42] <pbrunier> cliftonts: Nothing. But I own my privacy
[20:43] <dobey> cliftonts: no, it implies privacy/security are irrelevant, and only needed for people doing bad things
[20:43] <cliftonts> pbrunier: To give away all your privacy, or to hoard it will both ruin the experience for you.
[20:43] <cliftonts> You need to give just a little in order to make the technology work for you.
[20:44] <pbrunier> I just need mail, pycharm, openjdk, vlc
[20:44] <pbrunier> I dont need cloud stuff
[20:45] <cliftonts> dobey: I have the software centre on my laptop, but I don't need to use it. Isn't there any way to install a click from a file directly on the tablet?
[20:46] <dobey> yes, there is
[20:46] <dobey> via CLI
[20:46] <cliftonts> So, in theory, his privacy concerns are answered.
[20:46] <dobey> you can't download click packages from the store without an account though
[20:46] <dobey> and you certainly can't make any purchases without an account
[20:47] <pbrunier> thats understandable
[20:47] <pbrunier> But I would like to be able to just run apt-get install or something similar
[20:47] <cliftonts> No, but you can package them yourself
[20:47] <dobey> pbrunier: then make a chroot and do so inside it
[20:48] <dobey> pbrunier: https://askubuntu.com/questions/620740/recommended-way-to-install-regularcli-deb-packages-on-ubuntu-phone/623311#623311
[20:49] <cliftonts> That's what I love about linux. It's all possible if you're willing to put in a little effort.
[20:49] <pbrunier> ah very nice
[20:50] <cliftonts> This emulation is the slowest booting phone in the known world I think.
[20:50] <dobey> the terminal app is open source, so you can get a click externally from the store and side-load it
[20:51] <dobey> or you can just use the libertine container instead and run xterm or whatever via libertine, and do it all in there i guess
[20:51] <dobey> i haven't actually used the libertine legacy app stuff, so i don't know what all is possible there
[20:51] <pbrunier> I will look into it tomorrow and decide if I buy the tablet. Thank you very much for the help dobey, cliftons
[20:51] <cliftonts> No problem. Glad to be of help.
[20:59] <cliftonts> Well, I'm off to try and get this emulator going. Thanks for your help.
[21:47] <matv1> got my tablet today. I have to say I am superpleased with it. Despite knowing my way around the phones quite a bit, I had never really been hands-on with tablet mode and side-stage just rocks!
[21:49] <matv1> it just works really well. As does convergence. Needs some more tuning but hey. Its really getting there
[21:50] <matv1> thanks a lot to all you at canonical who dream this stuff up! Really nice job. And to the community devs as well of course :)
[21:51] <Acou_Bass> matv1: coool! those tablets do look great ;D
[21:53] <matv1> Acou_Bass the most asum thing is that you're holding a tablet but at the same time you're not. When you're working with it, you realise that the potential is so much more
[21:54] <Acou_Bass> so does the tablet come with the pd-build, IE. the one with Xorg software installed too?
[21:56] <matv1> i am not sure what pd-build means. but yeah it does a bunch of xorg dependent apps
[21:57] <Acou_Bass> pd build i think stands for 'pocket desktop' or something - its the image that comes with things like libreoffice/gimp preinstalled
[21:57] <matv1> oh. right thats the one. Its got libre office, gimp, firefox and some more
[21:57] <Acou_Bass> thats awesome ;D
[21:58] <matv1> yeah I know
[21:58] <matv1> lol
[22:00] <matv1> at the moment it is not possible to create those xorg wrappers yourself (if you want any other desktop apps on your phone or tablet) But I understand thats coming soon
[22:00] <Acou_Bass> isnt libertine-container-manager installed?
[22:00] <Acou_Bass> thats how i do it on my nexus 4
[22:00] <Acou_Bass> xD
[22:01] <matv1> yes it uses libertine. I just thought i wansnt really possible to use that for other desktop apps very easily
[22:02] <matv1> at least I wouldnt know how to :)
[22:02] <Acou_Bass> libertine-container-manager list will list the containers, then you do libertine-container-manager install-package -i containername -p packagename || true
[22:02] <Acou_Bass> ;D
[22:03] <matv1> thats it?
[22:03] <Acou_Bass> however i think at the mo you need to create your own .desktop file so its still a bit bleh to actually do
[22:03] <matv1> if all ther is to it is adding a .desktop file thats not really a problem
[22:04] <Acou_Bass> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15874585/
[22:04] <Acou_Bass> shows how the .desktop should loko too
[22:04] <Acou_Bass> HOWEVER i think there is a libertine scope/GUI available (or will be soon) so maybe better to just wait fo rthat hehe
[22:05] <matv1> hmm that looks simple
[22:05] <matv1> X-Ubuntu-XMir-Enable=true is most of the magic apparently :)
[22:06] <matv1> I am going to try tinkering with that for sure
[22:06] <Acou_Bass> i think the /bin/true too, i have no idea what this 'true' binary does but it does seem to work
[22:06] <matv1> cheers
[22:06] <Acou_Bass> XD
[22:06] <Acou_Bass> ;D
[22:07] <Acou_Bass> i only used it on my n4 to install emacs - i didnt really try it any further than that besides the default ones that are already installed
[22:09] <matv1> does that need read/write mode enabled on the OS?
[22:10] <Acou_Bass> nah libertine is a container management thingy, IIRC the containers are installed in your home dir
[22:10] <matv1> ah cool