[00:01] <n1md4> thanks, bye.
[00:02] <diddledan> thursday
[00:03] <popey> Google is a bit dead here
[00:03] <popey> docs, mail, plus...
[00:03] <popey> probably means bed time
[00:04] <daftykins> :D
[00:04] <daftykins> normally it's virgin media's desyncs that enforce early bed, i found - in England
[02:58] <mapito> desync? modem econnecting?
[02:58] <mapito> *reconnecting
[04:24] <knightwise> morning
[04:24] <ball> Mornin'
[04:38] <ball> Goodnight.
[07:05] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:38] <Guest1123> Good morning all!  Happy Tuesday, and happy Hanging Out Day! 😃
[08:38]  * Guest1123 kicks nickserv
[08:38] <zmoylan-pi> do we let strangers hang out here? :-)
[08:38] <Guest1123> Most certainly not. 😃
[08:40] <Myrtti> tsk.
[08:51] <knightwise> morning peeps
[08:51] <knightwise> I'm feeling daring today
[08:51] <knightwise> went to work with my ubuntu phone ... AND my ubuntu laptop
[08:54] <davmor2> knightwise: and it just worked end of drama right?
[08:58] <knightwise> davmor2: so far so good. the ubuntu phone isn't perfect but its able to do what I need on a basic level.
[08:58] <knightwise> still have the ipad with a simcard as a failover
[08:59] <knightwise> i run my company off my phone and such
[08:59] <knightwise> so it REALY needs to work
[09:01] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYcX534JqG4 or if it is the other Hanging https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXx1S6O-T30
[09:08] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[11:26] <knightwise> ok :) doing a full ubuntu day today
[11:26] <knightwise> so far things are going ok , but the ubuntu phone is a tad on the slow side sometimes
[11:27] <knightwise> 14.04 xps to work WITH the Ubuntu phone. (I am carrying my ipad as a backup)
[11:32] <zmoylan-pi> but is the ubuntu phone slow because of the os or the hardware do you think? i've heard it said it's the mediocre hardware
[11:33] <popey> bpoth
[11:33] <popey> -p
[11:33] <popey> the bq e4.5 isn't a terrifically fast phone
[11:33] <popey> and we have identified some bottlenecks in software
[11:34] <popey> there's a team working on it
[11:34] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: what popey said
[11:34] <knightwise> You cant compare it when it comes to speed to a high end flagship android or IOS phone, but you cant compare the price either
[11:35] <ali1234> my phone cost £50 and it never feels slow
[11:35] <knightwise> ali1234: nokia 3310 ?
[11:35] <zmoylan-pi> i can only hopee it keeps improving and becomes available over the counter
[11:35] <ali1234> no, blade apex 2
[11:35] <ali1234> it has the same CPU has the moto g
[11:36] <knightwise> looks nice :)
[11:36] <zmoylan-pi> i have an android i got for €69 huawei y625 i use as a mini tablet and i use a nokia asha 302 dumbphone as phone
[11:36]  * knightwise last time i'm buying a samsung flagship OR an ios flagship phone
[11:37] <ali1234> nobody buys flagship phones anymore ... they actually downgraded the CPU in the S7 because having a fast CPU in a phone is completely pointless
[11:37] <zmoylan-pi> ios was too locked down for me and google just seems to get creepier every year
[11:37] <ali1234> and because noody is willing to pay more for a faster one
[11:38] <knightwise> Samsung is becoming the bonzi buddy of mobiles these days
[11:38] <davmor2> ali1234: it's actually more the power drain, I think there is a half way point where if you keep it so the phone lasts longer than a day you keep the apps running without glitches everyone is happy
[11:40] <ali1234> it's purely that nobody wants to pay £500 for a phone when they can buy one for £50 and it does all the exact same things
[11:41] <zmoylan-pi> apple still manage
[11:41] <ali1234> apple are struggling because of this
[11:41] <davmor2> knightwise: what the hell is gekko anyway?
[11:41] <zmoylan-pi> sales are dropping but that might be more they have reached saturation
[11:43] <ali1234> it's not so much that they've reached saturation as they've reached saturation in the market that's willing to pay $700 for a phone
[11:43] <ali1234> which is a market which is shrinking
[11:48] <knightwise> gekko is the mail client
[11:55] <davmor2> knightwise: gekko do you mean dekko
[11:55] <davmor2> knightwise: the email client on the phone
[12:02] <knightwise> Sorry Dekko !
[12:02] <knightwise> Got it to play nice with the Google contact list ...
[12:02] <knightwise> so now i can use it for the company
[13:25] <davmor2> knightwise: nice
[15:21] <ujjain> who is a Global Cross-Platform Broadcast client based in West London?
[15:27] <popey> could be anyone really. there's a bunch of media companies in west london
[15:38] <diddledan> http://thenextweb.com/insider/2016/04/17/turns-dude-didnt-delete-entire-company-single-line-code/%E2%80%8B/
[15:39] <diddledan> we obviously didn't see that coming, did we?!
[15:39] <diddledan> popey: Ujjain: "a bunch of media companies" <-- soho is the media production centre for britain
[15:40] <diddledan> pretty much every facilities house is there
[15:40] <ujjain> hmm,
[15:40] <diddledan> I know this, because daddy!
[15:41] <diddledan> having a VTR engineer in the family means I find out a lot about broadcast and media production in-stories
[15:41] <diddledan> although he's retired now
[15:42] <diddledan> ujjain: it's probably SKY though
[15:42] <ujjain> yeah could be yeah
[17:50] <diddledan> the warcraft movie might be fun https://youtu.be/65AjY_nRdqE
[17:56] <davmor2> diddledan: like every game based movie it will either be awesome or awful and nothing inbetween
[17:57] <diddledan> aye
[17:57] <diddledan> I still like tomb raider - even though it's terrible
[17:57] <diddledan> probably because it's got Angelina's jolies
[17:59] <davmor2> diddledan: tut tut, I enjoyed them too even though they weren't great, I also liked the original hitman film, max payne was just weird, doom was god awful
[18:00] <diddledan> doom was .. yeah .. they really didn't do that well
[18:00] <diddledan> the first-person bit was just plain stupid
[18:17] <davmor2> diddledan: No I disagree, if they had done the whole thing like it was a game of doom (with the good graphics obviously) I think it would of been a much better film. I mean how many people will sit and watch a good player play a decent first person and love it
[19:34] <Azelphur> I've been running KDE on my laptop for a while now, getting seriously tempted to switch to it from XFCE o.O
[19:35] <Azelphur> It seems forward thinking, but in a sensible way, I like KDE connect, it's really nice
[19:35] <Azelphur> and the fact that they have most of the compiz features implemented (although why no mouse bindings, so strange)
[21:21] <daftykins> only Ktrouble is you'll start Kthinking all Kthings begin with a K
[21:23] <popey> Klies
[21:23] <daftykins> :D
[21:26] <zmoylan-pi> at least they follow the principlr of kiss
[21:27] <daftykins> KDE is shiny, student
[21:28] <ali1234> Azelphur: no mouse bindings because everything on KDE uses the same binding system, and that thing doesn't support mouse buttons, never has
[21:38] <Azelphur> ali1234: still weird, really should support it
[21:39] <Azelphur> daftykins: I know, Gwenview really confused me.
[22:24] <daftykins> that doesn't have a K!
[22:25] <zmoylan-pi> the k is not only silent but invisible...
[22:25] <daftykins> :D
[22:46] <Azelphur> I just received a lovely letter from free, telling me how they're currently reviewing their price plans and in order to offer their customers the most competitive deals, they sometimes have to phase out older tarrifs, like mine, so they are raising my bill to £20/mo for the same thing...but giving me an exclusive £3 monthly discount!
[22:46] <Azelphur> three, not free, oops :)
[22:47] <Azelphur> Corperate doublespeak at it's finest though, I must say
[22:47] <daftykins> what's the rate you're on now?
[22:47] <Azelphur> £12.60/mo
[22:48] <daftykins> hrmm
[22:48] <daftykins> i went with O2 for my clients' travelling business phone + separate mobile data SIM for his laptop
[22:49] <daftykins> they did this evil thing without asking where if he rocked up in a new country, which he does a lot with worldwide travel, they'd instantly throw on the bill £99 for 'a month of free data'
[22:49] <daftykins> cue having to call in to complain - i got a £500 refund arranged o0
[22:49] <zmoylan-pi> they are trying to phase out prepay her in ireland and replace the plans with rolling contracts.  for me this would be a 400% increase...
[22:49] <daftykins> yowzer
[22:50] <Azelphur> https://Ǣ.cc/-e1
[22:50] <Azelphur> I really do have to give them credit for the corporate doublespeak, for a letter saying "we're nearly doubling your monthly bill" it really comes off well
[22:50] <zmoylan-pi> i use the phone so little that €5 lasts 2-3 months. under rolling contract i'd have to pay €5 every 2 weeks just to stay connected... too expensive for how little i use it
[22:51] <zmoylan-pi> my personal best is €5 for 6 months
[22:52] <zmoylan-pi> so now only tescomobile in ireland does prepay but it looks like they are moving away from it as it's no longer mentioned in their plans
[22:52] <daftykins> no competition over there to hop to someone else?
[22:52] <zmoylan-pi> so if they bump me to rolling contract i'll just dump all my sims
[22:53] <daftykins> amusingly you'd probably do better having a smartphone and jump on public wifi with skype XD
[22:53] <zmoylan-pi> lots of competition but lots of doublespeak
[22:54] <Azelphur> My mobile is my primary phone, I have pay as you go on my landline and don't actually have a phone plugged in.
[22:54] <Azelphur> but still, I'm really just amazed by the wording in that letter, whoever wrote that is definitely good at the corporate doublespeak lol
[22:54] <daftykins> hmm does that abolish line rental costs? my landline is £9.99/mo i think
[22:55] <zmoylan-pi> if they want to gouge idiots into paying €40 per month fair enough but i don't play games and will just drop them
[22:55] <daftykins> have to have it as my VDSL2 is phone line delivered though
[22:55] <Azelphur> daftykins: no it doesn't sadly, still have to have line rental for VDSL2
[22:56] <Azelphur> zmoylan-pi: yea I will never pay that much, I was paying £12.60 and hopefully I'll get something new in that ballpark
[22:56] <daftykins> oh you do use the same tech
[22:57] <zmoylan-pi> €10 a month to me is money wasted.  for 2-3 texts and 1-2 calls and using data on 2g-3g 1-2 days <50mb per day
[22:57] <Azelphur> zmoylan-pi: yea, each to his own. I use mine a lot, go through a few GB every month easily.
[22:58] <zmoylan-pi> and that's fine but the rolling contracts seems to have come in as the eu clampe down on roaming
[22:58] <Azelphur> I'm not sure what you mean by rolling contract, I generally stay out of contracts and just pay once a month
[22:58] <Azelphur> like to be free to switch if they screw me, as they often do
[22:58] <zmoylan-pi> so they're trying to push people who barely use their services into stupid price plans that are wrong for them
[22:59] <Azelphur> oh totally agree, that's common too
[22:59] <zmoylan-pi> a rolling contract is the new prepay in ireland.  €5-10 every 2 weeks covers calls and data but at the end of the 2 weeks you need to pay again even if you didn't use the phone
[23:00] <zmoylan-pi> it's not like prepay were you have credit which is drained as you use it.
[23:00] <Azelphur> yea, that's horrible, pay as you go is dying and I don't like it
[23:01] <Azelphur> I'd love to buy something for a backup internet connection, pay for 10GB and just use it when my connection is down until it runs out, but they expire it every month -_-
[23:02] <zmoylan-pi> what will happen is people like me will find ways to use vibre or whatsapp for sms on wifi and voip on computers/tablets for voice and have no dealings with phone company.  and we will become an expanding group as students save money
[23:03] <Azelphur> yea, I'm heavily using VOIP myself, I actually have Skype out although I'm tempted to drop it
[23:08] <daftykins> the same scenario you describe is what makes travel for us islanders hell
[23:08] <daftykins> even coming up to England we don't have the same telcos at all, so it's just get rinsed on roaming or pick up a PAYG - often it takes a day to get that going though
[23:09] <daftykins> you can't buy anything over here or set it up here often too, as they often need to see the home network to activate
[23:09] <Azelphur> lame
[23:10] <Azelphur> that's one of the things I'll hate about leaving three - International roaming isn't gonna be good
[23:10] <daftykins> i wonder if t-mo goes one way only, my friend in the US uses it and can go on data in England
[23:10] <daftykins> (t-mobile US)