[05:36] <Kilos> guten morgen meine herren
[05:39] <superfly> Guten abend Kilos 
[05:39] <Kilos> hehe
[06:04] <magespawn> hey good morning
[06:04] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[06:04] <Kilos> hey yourself
[06:22] <magespawn> horses eat it
[06:23] <magespawn> or maybe that is hay
[06:26] <Wolfeyes> lol
[06:26] <Wolfeyes> morning Kilos magespawn
[06:31] <Kilos> hmm...
[06:57] <superfly> magespawn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJXtGtgXQh0
[07:06] <Wolfeyes> ha ha ha superfly
[07:06] <Wolfeyes> brilliant
[07:31] <chesedo> hello all
[07:33]  * chesedo thinks he might have found a new band that he can listen to
[07:45] <Kilos> hi chesedo 
[08:02] <superfly> chesedo: Relient K?
[08:03] <chesedo> superfly: yip
[08:03] <superfly> chesedo: they're kinda old, actually. and their older stuff is better than their most recent stuff
[08:05] <chesedo> superfly: saw that they are... it is weird how a lot of band's old stuff is better than newer ones
[09:21] <Langjan> Hi Kilos you dont like e-mails hey?
[09:22] <Langjan> Thks will let you know when Pieter can come over
[09:22] <Kilos> haha you guessed
[09:22] <Kilos> painful things and i get so many
[09:22] <Langjan> take too much bandwidth? oh
[09:22] <Kilos> np
[09:22] <Kilos> no
[09:22] <Kilos> too much reading
[09:23] <Langjan> well if your popular youre it
[09:23] <Kilos> its not popular its all the locos ive had to join to try get them going
[09:23] <Langjan> trying to connect the tannie via my adsl, dlink exender almost R2 000
[09:23] <Kilos> 8 mailing lists i think
[09:24] <Kilos> sjo
[09:24] <Kilos> how far is she from you
[09:24] <Langjan> about 55 metres
[09:24] <Langjan> dlnk signal goes about 40 
[09:25] <Kilos> eish
[09:25] <Kilos> see if you can find someone that can make you an eth cable
[09:25] <Langjan> I have one but its 30 metres
[09:26] <Kilos> get another one
[09:26] <Langjan> will have to cross a road
[09:26] <Kilos> hehe
[09:26] <Kilos> ai!
[09:26] <Kilos> string it in the trees
[09:26] <Langjan> but thats not a bad option, even if I have to dig a ditch and pipe it under the road
[09:26] <Kilos> not on branches that move in the wind
[09:27] <Langjan> or the aerial way can also work
[09:27] <Kilos> doesnt she have a telkom line
[09:27] <Langjan> perhaps I can get a connector and join 2 cables?Pity to waste 30 metresli 
[09:28] <Langjan> she does yes
[09:28] <Kilos> i think bridges are quite cheap
[09:28] <Langjan> but adsl line rent is expensive
[09:28] <Kilos> ah
[09:29] <Kilos> see, tell me this isnt easier than emails to and fro
[09:29] <Langjan> is that what you call a ethernet joint, a bridge?
[09:29] <Langjan> depends what you want to communicate
[09:29] <Kilos> i think so
[09:30] <Kilos> maybe you get just a joint thing
[09:30] <Langjan> I dont pay you to fink, you must know...
[09:30] <magespawn> you can join ethernet cable, although i prefer not to
[09:30] <Kilos> bridges can take 4 cables
[09:31] <Langjan> thks magespawn and hi 
[09:31] <magespawn> there is a gel filled connector called a scotch lock
[09:31] <magespawn> hi Langjan 
[09:31] <Kilos> but then the bridges is out in the weather and needs power as well
[09:31] <Langjan> it will be under roof, power?
[09:32] <Kilos> this one has a power supply and a goodie like a fone charger
[09:32] <Kilos> lemme look
[09:32] <Kilos> ja
[09:33] <Kilos> use that 30m cable so you can sit somewhere else as well
[09:33] <Kilos> get one the right length
[09:33] <Kilos> with some extra of course
[09:34] <Kilos> for corners and sticking to wall so it looks neat
[09:34] <Langjan> what price ethernet cabl per metre?
[09:34] <Kilos> i have no idea
[09:35] <magespawn> look here http://is.gd/YXPGGz
[09:35] <Wolfeyes> maybe 5 - 7
[09:35] <Langjan> jy moet weet geek...lmga
[09:35] <Langjan> thks
[09:35] <Wolfeyes> but you can buy rolls at about 1.50 - 2 rand per metre
[09:35] <Langjan> magespawn, and Wolfeyes 
[09:35] <Wolfeyes> yw
[09:35] <Kilos> Wolfeyes can give cable prices 
[09:35] <Wolfeyes> :-)
[09:37] <Langjan> Is there not a connector box with eth sockets both sides to connect?
[09:37] <magespawn> i recently bought exterior cat5 with uv shielding for about R7/meter
[09:38] <magespawn> Langjan: there is, but it would need to be kept dry
[09:38] <Langjan> not a problem to keep dry
[09:39] <Langjan> can put the joint in the ceiling
[09:40] <Langjan> or under overhang and use silicone
[09:40] <magespawn> it looks the same as the old connectors used to join telephone cable, just bigger to take the lan cable
[09:40] <Wolfeyes> you can buy joint from a matrix or any computer shop, haven't bought in ages, normal rj45 is about 2 each
[09:40] <Langjan> rj45?
[09:41] <magespawn> that is the connector on a lan cable
[09:41] <Langjan> oh, ok thks
[09:41] <magespawn> the clear plasctic doohickey on the end
[09:42] <Langjan> ok another q while I have the geeks on the line plse
[09:43] <Langjan> if I run the cable, will they be able to connect two computers that side? 
[09:43] <Langjan> a split?
[09:45] <magespawn> then you will need a switch on the other side
[09:45] <magespawn> 5 port ethernet switch
[09:46] <magespawn> also available from matrix around R180
[09:47] <magespawn> something like http://www.dlink.com/uk/en/home-solutions/connect/switches/dgs-105-5-port-gigabit-ethernet-switch
[09:50] <Langjan> ok many thanks
[09:51] <magespawn> no problem
[10:17] <Wolfeyes> lol @ doohickey @ magespawn
[10:19] <Wolfeyes> sorry Langjan I was just on a call to a client.
[10:20] <Wolfeyes> magespawn: if you buy now and again at matrix you can push them lower for prices
[10:30] <Langjan> Looks like these can work: http://www.takealot.com/ugreen-rj45-8p8c-network-coupler-keyston/PLID40361930 and http://www.takealot.com/tp-link-5-port-10-100mbps-mini-desktop-switch/PLID28720003
[10:31] <Langjan> np Wolfeyes I was having some lunch
[10:32] <Wolfeyes> getting some horse power in...
[10:32] <Langjan> must check if eth cable can run underground and/or overhead (uv exposure)
[10:32] <Langjan> yes gotta keep going
[10:50] <magespawn> and if the cable is underground keeping it dry too
[11:22] <magespawn> Kilos Langjan could also get external wireless ap, bt those tend to be rather pricey
[11:22] <magespawn> /sbt/but
[11:22] <magespawn> s/bt/but
[11:29] <mazal> Hi everyone
[11:29] <magespawn> hi mazal
[11:30] <mazal> How goes ?
[11:31] <Kilos> i think he is looking for the cheapest options magespawn . those peeps all retired there
[11:31] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[11:33] <magespawn> sunny mazal
[11:34] <magespawn> Kilos: figured just thought i would mention it, cable is much cheaper
[11:34]  * mazal spend money he didn't have again :( All thanx to eskom
[11:34] <Kilos> what now mazal 
[11:34] <magespawn> power problems?
[11:34] <mazal> Had no power the whole day so went shopping.
[11:35] <mazal> Credit card still smoking
[11:35] <Kilos> ai!
[11:35] <mazal> Hey my DING !!! ain't working
[11:35] <mazal> It didn't *ding* when you guys greeted
[11:36] <Kilos> haha
[11:36] <Kilos> mazal 
[11:36] <Kilos> mazal 
[11:36] <Kilos> turn up the volume
[11:36] <mazal> The highlight works , but not the ding when window is minimized
[11:36] <Kilos> or untick the mute button
[11:37] <bushtech> at least fixing this "ding" isn't going to cost you money
[11:37] <Kilos> hahahaha well said bushtech 
[11:37] <mazal> lol @ bushtech , indeed sir
[11:37] <mazal> Kilos,I give you 1 guess what I bought today
[11:38] <Kilos> nono just tell me guessing requires thinking
[11:38] <bushtech> satellite dish for sat sig?
[11:38] <mazal> 5 new games
[11:38] <bushtech> THAT's gonna het your card smoking
[11:38] <Kilos> eish
[11:39] <bushtech> nee man!
[11:39] <mazal> and a backup console :P
[11:39] <Kilos> you dont have time to play all those you have
[11:39] <Kilos> eish
[11:39] <mazal> Is not my fault , I was bored
[11:40] <Kilos> if you had taken a more expensive internet connection then you would have less to spend
[11:40] <bushtech> I'm sure there's a support group for this
[11:40] <Kilos> yes
[11:40] <mazal> but but....
[11:41] <Kilos> i saw on tv they had a program about compulsive buyers/shoppers
[11:41] <Kilos> its a reckognised illness
[11:41] <Kilos> hehe
[11:41] <Kilos> recognised
[11:41] <mazal> I'm emosional shopper. When depressed or bored I shop
[11:41] <Kilos> many females have that problem
[11:42] <Kilos> buy a bucket of fruit next time and go sit in the parks and eat
[11:43] <mazal> Oh awesome !!! This one has offline multiplayer with bots !!! NIce :)
[11:49] <mazal> Is there a "minimize all windows" shortcut on Kubuntu ?
[11:50] <Kilos> is this a quiz
[11:52] <MaNI> "alt + f2" > "Global keyboard shortcuts" > "Kwin" > "Show desktop"
[11:52] <MaNI> if there isn't a shortcut set you can set it there
[11:53] <MaNI> if you right click the pager and go to "pager settings" - you can also set it so that clicking the current desktop in the pager minimizes everything
[11:54] <mazal> Nice , found it thank you MaNI
[11:54] <Kilos> you on kde MaNI 
[11:54] <mazal> It didn't have one associated so gave it one
[11:54] <MaNI> yeah I'm a long time KDE user - even though they tested my patience quite a bit when kde 4 came out :p
[11:54] <mazal> The key here of course being me remembering what I made it lol
[11:55] <mazal> The alt f2 thing is nice , didn't know about that
[11:55] <mazal> It searches apps and docs , nice
[11:55] <MaNI> it has all sorts of little plugins by the way - not just a run box
[11:55] <MaNI> like you can use it as a quick calculator and stuff as well :p
[11:56] <mazal> Just tried that hehehehe
[11:56] <mazal> I am very new to KDE. 
[11:57] <mazal> USed it for about a year now at work , but there it's just for email and docs
[12:06] <MaNI> yeah, a bit different on a personal computer :p
[13:11] <inetpro>  
[13:14] <Kilos> hmm...
[13:14] <Wolfeyes> either that was a space, alt(and the number for space), enter key, or writting in white ...
[13:15] <Kilos> writing in white you can highlight to read
[13:16] <Wolfeyes> only thing that highlights is then a single space
[13:16] <Kilos> ya  ya
[13:16] <Kilos> was a space
[13:17] <Kilos> he is just being clever again
[13:17] <Wolfeyes> be back later
[13:54] <inetpro> haha
[13:55] <inetpro> Kilos: you have good eyes
[14:01] <andrewlsd> Hi Peeps \o/
[14:18] <Kilos> yeah
[14:18] <Kilos> hi andrewlsd 
[14:38] <andrewlsd>  :_)
[14:38] <andrewlsd> :-)
[14:38] <andrewlsd> hi Kilos 
[14:45] <Kilos> :)
[14:50] <andrewlsd> cheerio. Hopefully will be online here a bit longer.
[15:04] <magespawn> back again
[15:07] <pavlushka> Good evening every one!
[15:09] <magespawn> hi pavlushka 
[15:09] <pavlushka> Hello magespawn , how are you?
[15:10] <magespawn> good and you?
[15:11] <pavlushka> doing good, thanks!
[15:11] <pavlushka> wbb
[15:12] <magespawn> home time for me, good evening all
[15:18] <Kilos> hi pavlushka 
[15:24] <Kilos> hi Langjan 
[15:24] <Kilos> what broke
[15:24] <Kilos> hehe
[15:30] <Langjan> Hi Kilos, you can relax, lmga we were at bowls and computer was sleeping, woke up with irc open. How you doing re visa?
[15:31] <Kilos> im just busy looking for the mail addies where i got some reection last time
[15:59] <Kilos> superfly when you have time can you be my editor again please
[15:59] <Kilos> i want to make some waves but want to do it in a democratic way
[16:32] <Kilos> superfly inetpro https://bin.snyman.info/mmmmjemy
[17:02] <Kilos> i go eat
[17:42] <Kilos> superfly it grew https://bin.snyman.info/mmmcw3j5
[17:53] <Kilos> Langjan jy nog hier?
[17:53] <Kilos> sjoe
[17:54] <Kilos> gonna rain
[17:54] <Langjan> soort van, eet net gou
[17:54] <Kilos> julle rol nie balle in die donker nie
[17:54] <Langjan> soms ja, spreiligte
[17:54] <Kilos> patry te veel dink ek
[17:55] <Kilos> ett lekker oom
[17:55] <Kilos> eet
[17:55] <Langjan> ken nie eers vir Pat nie
[17:55] <Langjan> dankie
[17:55] <Kilos> party man
[18:04] <inetpro> Kilos: which one is easier to read, 
[18:04] <inetpro> this https://bin.snyman.info/mmmnj6nn
[18:04] <inetpro> or this https://bin.snyman.info/mmmcw3j5 ?
[18:06] <Kilos> the first one of course
[18:06] <Kilos> i dunno why the bin makes those long lines
[18:07] <Kilos> when i blog i do it the same way and word wraps itself
[18:07] <inetpro> now please use spacing and paragraphs when you want us to read stuff
[18:07] <inetpro> Kilos: my point is not so much about the wrapping as it is about the paragraph spacing
[18:08] <Kilos> if i write directly to th bin it might be better
[18:08] <inetpro> nope, it won't 
[18:09] <Kilos> it was kinda paragraphed in kate
[18:09] <inetpro> it doesn't do wrapping
[18:09] <Kilos> nono thern ill use line feeds
[18:09] <Kilos> then
[18:09] <inetpro> in kate you can force wrapping bt choosing Tools | Apply Word Wrap
[18:10] <inetpro> s/bt/by/
[18:10] <Kilos> and when i then take it to thes bin?
[18:11] <Kilos> yes that works
[18:11] <Kilos> ty grumpy
[18:11] <inetpro> try it and see for yourself
[18:11] <Kilos> i have
[18:12] <Kilos> lekker
[18:12] <inetpro> first impressions count
[18:12] <Kilos> dankie oompie
[18:12] <Kilos> and that has to end up in a mail
[18:12] <Kilos> now
[18:13] <Kilos> corrections etc to my wording will be helpful
[18:13] <superfly> Kilos: why?
[18:13] <superfly> Kilos: what are you asking them, and what do you hope to achieve?
[18:13] <Kilos> because you my editor
[18:14] <Kilos> i am asking because i get tired trying to do it all alone
[18:14] <Kilos> and
[18:14] <Kilos> i hope someone else other than belkie can find the time to help
[18:14] <Kilos> she is very busy
[18:15] <inetpro> Kilos: please note, when copying paragraphs with forced line breaks for wrapping you can expect weird results as the end result for the reader if you are not careful 
[18:15] <Kilos> and i hope to achive better quicker growth in ubuntu
[18:15] <Kilos> i will make a point of watching that ty inetpro 
[18:16] <Kilos> and i also want to know if i have you guys support before i go knocking on big doors
[18:16] <Kilos> same as with the membership meeting times
[18:17] <Kilos> we have the 10pm now and its the main time used
[18:17] <Kilos> but took lots of mails and frustration
[18:17] <Kilos> and pro support
[18:18] <inetpro> pro support?
[18:18] <Kilos> yes dodo yours
[18:18] <Kilos> i was ready to give up a few times
[18:18]  * inetpro not sure whether he can agree with everything he wrote
[18:19] <inetpro> first of all, what mark are you overstepping even?
[18:19] <Kilos> well those councils are kinda closed i think
[18:20] <Kilos> only the lc has meetings in the open channel
[18:20] <Kilos> cc has their own channel i think
[18:20] <inetpro> you are free to have your own opinion
[18:21] <Kilos> oh yes
[18:21] <Kilos> but many wont like to hear it
[18:21] <inetpro> it is still your opinion
[18:22] <Kilos> oh
[18:22] <Kilos> that thing with mhall
[18:22] <Kilos> he says feel free to translate it to any language
[18:23] <Kilos> hi pavlushka 
[18:24] <pavlushka> Hello Kilos !, it was a power cut, :|
[18:24] <Kilos> ai!
[18:25] <pavlushka> Hello every one!
[18:25] <pavlushka> Where's the guy with a Hat & Beard?????
[18:26] <inetpro> so Kilos, when you say "Please forgive me", you really mean that?
[18:26] <inetpro> pavlushka: good morning
[18:26] <Kilos> lol
[18:27] <Kilos> not really but thats to soften the hardekwas outjies
[18:27] <pavlushka> inetpro: what's your timezome????
[18:27] <inetpro> pavlushka: I'm from another planet
[18:27] <pavlushka> it looks like!!!
[18:27] <Kilos> haha
[18:28] <Kilos> Maaz diplomat
[18:28] <Maaz> A diplomat is a person who can tell others to go to hell in such a nice way that they look forward to the trip
[18:28] <pavlushka> lol
[18:29] <inetpro> Kilos: are you looking forward to the trip already?
[18:30] <pavlushka> inetpro: yes here is 0025 hours but in your place it should be 8.30 PM, but morning???
[18:31] <pavlushka> may be its your planet's rule!!!!!
[18:31] <inetpro> pavlushka: someone stole my watch now I have more time
[18:32] <Kilos> oh my inetpro is someone going to do that to me
[18:32] <MaNI> more like - a diplomat is a person who can tell others to go to hell in such a long winded annoying non-committal way that people would rather thake that trip than hear them talk for another second
[18:32] <MaNI> *take
[18:32] <Kilos> haha
[18:33] <inetpro> Kilos: I was just wondering about the context of that lookup on Maaz
[18:33] <Kilos>  nono man
[18:33] <Kilos> i have to act the diplomat
[18:34] <inetpro> ok
[18:34] <Kilos> thats why i ask for help
[18:34] <inetpro> MaNI: he needs your help then
[18:34] <Kilos> hahaha remember inetpro 
[18:35] <Kilos> what MaNI said is what worked on popey
[18:35] <Kilos> he gave up in the end
[18:35] <MaNI> heh
[18:36] <Kilos> oh inetpro and belkie supports me
[18:37] <Kilos> and agrees with what i say
[18:38] <pavlushka> Kilos: you had some conversation with popey? and he had to agree with you?
[18:39] <Kilos> haha yeah 2 weeks of emails back and forth
[18:39] <Kilos> he got tired first
[18:40]  * chesedo- thinks it may not always be about wearing someone out, but rather to explain it in a way that touches hearts
[18:41] <Kilos> yes so climb in and help chesedo- 
[18:41] <Kilos> and drop the tail
[18:41] <chesedo-> nick chesedo
[18:41] <Kilos> hehe
[18:41] <inetpro> wb chesedo
[18:41] <chesedo> ty chesedo
[18:41] <Kilos> lol
[18:42] <Kilos> have another beer
[18:42] <chesedo> ... and do not really know must of what is talked about
[18:42] <Kilos> ai!
[18:43] <Kilos> https://bin.snyman.info/mmmnj6nn
[18:43] <chesedo> nee sies oom, bier nie vir my :-P
[18:43] <Kilos> mooi seun
[18:43] <inetpro> chesedo: please talk to the real chesedo and get him up to date with happenings here
[18:44] <inetpro> chesedo: btw, did you get your prize yet?
[18:44] <Kilos> who knows inetpro maybe with some big brains working together they can somehow link fb and irc
[18:44] <Kilos> same as mattermost
[18:45] <inetpro> Kilos: please no
[18:45] <Kilos> well give ideas then to sort the fb lp prob
[18:45] <chesedo> no i read it (btw reads better when clicking 'raw') just did not take it in (head might be too full)
[18:46] <inetpro> I rest my case
[18:46] <Kilos> no man
[18:46] <superfly> Kilos: no, I mean why are you e-mailing the council? what are they going to do, what are you asking them to do
[18:46] <Kilos> dont escape a sinking ship like rats do
[18:46] <inetpro> legibility is important
[18:47] <Kilos> oh superfly im asking then to come up with some ideas on how to overcome the problem
[18:47] <Kilos> inetpro fixit
[18:48] <superfly> Kilos: do they care? do they really care?
[18:48] <inetpro> no
[18:48] <Kilos> well i would hope so otherwise the community spirit is dying as well
[18:49] <chesedo> inetpro: have been without net since yesterday (will have to catch up loads :P)... and no still waiting for an official email about the prize
[18:49] <superfly> exactly
[18:49] <superfly> Kilos: no, they don't
[18:49] <superfly> Kilos: no, they don't
[18:49] <Kilos> ai!
[18:49] <inetpro> haha
[18:49] <chesedo> um, who voted for these guys?
[18:49] <Kilos> how do i fix that
[18:50] <inetpro> Kilos: you are the community
[18:50] <Kilos> eish
[18:50] <superfly> eish, my lag
[18:50] <Kilos> mine only 236 ms
[18:50] <chesedo> superfly: wat is vout met jou lag (stem seer) :P
[18:51] <inetpro> mine is only 16 ms
[18:51] <inetpro> I win
[18:51] <Kilos> well then inetpro its up to me to rock the boat not so
[18:51]  * chesedo sees a full circle coming...
[18:51] <superfly> chesedo: bwahahahaha
[18:51] <superfly> mine is currently 13s
[18:52] <Kilos> sjoewhat are you eishing about then
[18:52] <superfly> Kilos: sending and e-mail to the CC is not rocking the boat
[18:52] <chesedo> wow, anyway gotta go later guys...
[18:53] <superfly> that's telling the rock to move
[18:53] <superfly> make that 30
[18:53] <Kilos> well if they dont do something about it then it will be
[18:53] <Kilos> oh wow 30 secs
[18:53] <Kilos> thats vary bad
[18:53] <Kilos> very
[18:53] <Kilos> and i want to attend their meeting
[18:54] <superfly> 44 seconds...
[18:54] <Kilos> eina
[18:54] <pavlushka> mine is 0.2s
[18:54]  * inetpro can see superfly timing out in a few secs
[18:54] <Kilos> cheers chesedo 
[18:54] <Kilos> sleep tight
[18:54] <pavlushka> good night chesedo !
[18:55] <Kilos> adsl can suck at times
[18:55] <inetpro> good night chesedo
[18:57] <pavlushka> Hi superfly !
[18:58] <Kilos> inetpro i think i must leave the last sentence out
[18:58] <Kilos> the one before thanks for all the hard work
[18:59] <superfly> hi pavlushka
[18:59] <superfly> i need to get miss muffet to sleep, later
[18:59] <pavlushka> So you are not timed out!!!.
[18:59] <pavlushka> later superfly !!!
[19:11] <Kilos> inetpro so now youve given me lessons in mailing can you sort that mail for me so i can get the ball rolloing
[19:11] <Kilos> pretty please
[19:11] <Kilos> rolling
[19:27] <Kilos> ai! now he is waiting for me to go to sleep
[19:28] <Kilos> yawns
[19:42] <pavlushka> good night guys!!
[19:42] <Kilos> night pavlushka sleep tight
[19:48] <Kilos> ai!
[19:48] <Kilos> you win
[19:48] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight