OvenWerks | krytarik: I would think so, but it is not daily right now, so the question becomes when :) | 00:30 |
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krytarik | OvenWerks: I guess if it didn't happen by morning UTC, we should have another run at it ourselves. :P | 00:57 |
flocculant | something awry with your build - log says it built 9/10 hours ago - tracker says it's rebuilding | 05:51 |
flocculant | as far as rebuilds go - if there's no-one about from your team to trigger it - I'm pretty sure I have perm to do so | 05:52 |
zequence | Our ship seed may have caused it. Both cjwatson and infinity were poiking in our seeds yesterday | 07:58 |
cfhowlett | that sounds ... shady ... | 08:01 |
zequence | cfhowlett: They were fixing our ISO build problem | 08:04 |
zequence | infinty is the Ubuntu release manager and cjwatson is one of the original authors of a lot of stuff in the infrastructure | 08:05 |
zequence | ..or at least maintainer, if not author. Think he did ubiquity. | 08:05 |
zequence | Anyway, we are in safe hands :) | 08:06 |
zequence | flocculant: How do you trigger it, if not from the qa page? | 08:18 |
cub | Anyone know if the iso will be built today? | 09:22 |
zequence | cub: Hopefully it will build :) | 09:28 |
zequence | cub: I'm poking people about it now. We can usually do rebuilds ourselves, but the qa site has hung after yesterdays failure | 09:33 |
cub | Looking at the time stamps on previous builds it seems it won't be until late afternoon/evening Swedish time | 09:33 |
cub | Aha or we can trigger a build at other times? | 09:34 |
zequence | Yes, members of ubuntustudio-release have access to those controls at iso.qa.ubuntu.com | 09:34 |
cub | I was hoping to run an installation in the background while doing mindnumbing excel spreadsheet work | 09:34 |
zequence | Wonder what actually caused the build failure though. Not because of any change we did. But, apparently our seeds included some old stuff that is not used anymore | 09:36 |
zequence | I still have much to learn in that area myself | 09:36 |
autumna | zequence: about the website code, do we have a coding style we are following or just writing for now? | 14:13 |
zequence | autumna: Nope. I'm a beginner css and php hacker myself, and just try to follow the common standards | 14:15 |
zequence | actually, need to remove some stuff that I realized we don't need anymore from functions.php | 14:15 |
autumna | awesome ok. | 14:16 |
zequence | sakrecoer: autumna: The feature definition page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/FeatureDefinitions/WebsiteXenial | 14:36 |
zequence | Make additions or suggest changes | 14:37 |
sakrecoer | nice zequence! Tahnks! also, great to have you in the webteam autumna :) | 14:38 |
autumna | nice to be here sakrecoer :) I'll poke at the css a bit later. (if I can figure out git in time) | 14:41 |
sakrecoer | :) autumna: to jsut clone it all you need to do is: clone git+ssh://git.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio-website | 14:43 |
sakrecoer | (i'm no way an epxert, but zequence pasted that command in OT | 14:43 |
autumna | I know. will probably also need a xampp or something similar to view the pages through | 14:45 |
zequence | autumna: I can give you your own WP installation if you want. I have loads of space. Just one click away | 14:47 |
autumna | I might ask for it if I end up doing something more serious than poking at color scheme | 14:48 |
zequence | alright | 14:48 |
autumna | but I should really be good and learn to how to work with a proper workflow, instead of my usual habit of SSHing and changing things on spot | 14:48 |
zequence | yeah, shouldn't we all learn that | 14:49 |
zequence | The blueprints page https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+spec/website-topic-x | 14:49 |
sakrecoer | zequence: "We are planning to update the website look and content for the release of 16.04." ehm... that would be this thursday right? | 14:49 |
zequence | sakrecoer: Well, let's not be too pedantic about dates, shall we? | 14:49 |
sakrecoer | hehe ok :) | 14:50 |
zequence | I should have said around the release of 16.04 | 14:50 |
* sakrecoer puts an icecube under my shirt. | 14:50 | |
zequence | The blueprints are very simple. You can add tasks there, if they correspond with the feature definition | 14:50 |
autumna | UNLESS you want to compare 2 designs side by side, in which case, give me my own stage away and I'll be happily lazy *snort* | 14:51 |
zequence | Also, if you want to take on a task, just change [ubuntustudio-website] into your own LP nick, and TODO into INPROGRESS | 14:51 |
zequence | autumna: sure | 14:51 |
zequence | sakrecoer: So, this is the basics of how we should have done all the work this cycle - feature definitions -> blueprints -> code | 14:52 |
sakrecoer | :) | 14:53 |
zequence | Feature definitions can be worked on for a good while during the initial part of the cycle, and that is translated into a blueprint. | 14:57 |
zequence | Finally, the person responsible checks the blueprint for sanity, and marks it ready and approved | 14:57 |
zequence | Then, everyone just follows the blueprint | 14:57 |
zequence | Whenever you need changes to the blueprints - if it conflicts or changes something, it needs to be discussed first, and again, the person responsible needs to approve | 14:58 |
zequence | This way we all know which way we are heading and people can work independently during the cycle | 14:58 |
zequence | The person who approves can be either a team lead, or the project lead | 14:59 |
zequence | Feature Definition Freeze means planning stops, and blueprints are cemented | 15:00 |
zequence | But, we only follow that, if we want to. If we really want to be serious, we add the blueprints to the Ubuntu project, not to the UBuntu Studio one | 15:00 |
zequence | We're such a small team usually, that the organization of blueprints usually is just work for nothing, as only one or two people are using them | 15:01 |
zequence | Let's hope things are different the following two years | 15:01 |
sakrecoer | hmm... got a mail that i'm subsrcribed to the blueprint, but LP says i'm not... needs time to cron? | 15:01 |
sakrecoer | also i fail to understand how the dependency diagram is established | 15:02 |
zequence | sakrecoer: If you're in the core team, you are subscribed to all sub teams | 15:02 |
sakrecoer | ok :) | 15:02 |
zequence | sakrecoer: If you check the bottom of the page, you see the link "add dependencu" | 15:02 |
sakrecoer | "established" is the wrong word... | 15:02 |
zequence | If you add a dependency to a blueprint, the dependency appears above that blueprint | 15:02 |
zequence | And, you can add as many as you want. I've just simply put all blueprints as dependencies to the main topic blueprint | 15:03 |
zequence | Actually, this blueprint is supposed to just be a topic, originally, so I should renambe it | 15:03 |
sakrecoer | ok, i'm starting to get it... i think :) | 15:03 |
zequence | But, doesn't matter. It's the last blueprint for X. You can create your own thing for next release | 15:04 |
zequence | Rosco2: Hi. We seem to have problems getting a new build | 15:04 |
Rosco2 | Just switched on to see if the build failure was still there | 15:05 |
zequence | Rosco2: Can't even get a comment in the release channel as to why, but I'm not hounding people | 15:05 |
zequence | seeds were changed, but I'm unsure if that is a fix | 15:05 |
Rosco2 | Yeah - I saw the changes | 15:05 |
Rosco2 | Wasn't sure it it was a fix - or the failure | 15:05 |
Rosco2 | It was only after those changes that the build failed | 15:06 |
zequence | Really? | 15:07 |
zequence | Ah, maybe only the first change did that | 15:07 |
zequence | ..and the second one fixed it probably | 15:08 |
Rosco2 | I am not sure about the order of things | 15:09 |
Rosco2 | I was quickly scanning the emails this morning before I went off to work | 15:09 |
Rosco2 | Have we tried a rebuild recently? | 15:09 |
zequence | Rosco2: both me and flocculant have asked about it on -release | 15:10 |
zequence | Rosco2: You can give it a try, if you want :) | 15:11 |
Rosco2 | Just logging into the tracker now | 15:11 |
zequence | Rosco2: I've tried to rebuild from there a couple of times, but it seems to have stuck | 15:13 |
Rosco2 | OK - I can see it still says rebuilding | 15:16 |
zequence | Yep | 15:17 |
Rosco2 | I am not expecting that if I click on the same thing that I will have a different result :-) | 15:17 |
zequence | I already tried canceling the build request as well. Nothing | 15:18 |
Rosco2 | Hmmm. 5:58 PM yesterday seeds changed by infinity. Build failed email 9:55 PM. Colin changed seeds 12:24 AM today | 15:21 |
Rosco2 | just saw stgrabers response on the release channel | 15:23 |
zequence | Rosco2: Yep. hopefully infinity will work it out | 15:25 |
Rosco2 | Build seemed to crash after trying to fetch our seeds branch | 15:27 |
Rosco2 | Just did a bzr pull and it worked here | 15:27 |
Rosco2 | And I have one more revision than the log of the build failure | 15:28 |
zequence | Rosco2: There are always a couple of seed pulls that don't work | 15:59 |
zequence | Rosco2: But, I'm sure dropping our ship seed, when still keeping it in STRUCTURE was a bad idea | 15:59 |
Rosco2 | zequence: yeah - but the log didn't seem to get that far | 16:42 |
Rosco2 | It seemed to crash and stop | 16:42 |
Rosco2 | Anyway, I can still do some dist-upgrade tests while I wait | 16:43 |
sakrecoer | bug #1572249 | 17:27 |
ubottu | bug 1572249 in ubuntustudio-look (Ubuntu) "Errors in /usr/share/gnome-background-properties/ubuntustudio-wallpapers.xml : missing attributions erroneous file-path" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1572249 | 17:27 |
zequence | Judging from the communication in -release, I would say there will respins in a couple of hours | 18:49 |
OvenWerks | waiting :) | 18:49 |
Rosco2 | My upgrade from Trusty to Xenial still fails | 18:50 |
zequence | Rosco2: I've never trusted those anyway | 18:50 |
zequence | Rosco2: But, what is causing it? | 18:50 |
zequence | If it's a change in one of our packages, we should probably take a look at that | 18:51 |
Rosco2 | bug #1572262 | 18:52 |
ubottu | bug 1561420 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1572262 Upgrade from Trusty to Xenial failed (Ubuntu Studio)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1561420 | 18:52 |
Rosco2 | apt log shows lots of broken packages, but I haven't studied it yet | 18:52 |
zequence | That's a lot of packages. I'm happy to stay out of that one. | 18:55 |
zequence | Doesn't seem very Ubuntu Studio specific either | 18:57 |
OvenWerks | Rosco2: system service stuff? session startup? upstart to systemd maybe? | 19:00 |
Rosco2 | I nearly marked another bug report as duplicate | 19:01 |
Rosco2 | He wasn't on Studio | 19:01 |
Rosco2 | OvenWerks: I can see many old tricky transitions in there that affected most of the archive | 19:04 |
Rosco2 | Gnome guys report that machine doesn't start after the upgrade | 19:05 |
Rosco2 | O don't get that far :-) | 19:05 |
OvenWerks | Rosco2: The other problem for me is that my 14.04 is not in any way stock. I do development work on it too. so any upgrade script that handles only the applications/utilities on the ISO is likely to fail. | 19:08 |
Rosco2 | I am glad now that I followed every release since then | 19:10 |
OvenWerks | I normally reinstall and link in the folders on my old home. I end up reinstalling all the dev files etc. | 19:10 |
OvenWerks | upgrade is much more important with my server though. | 19:11 |
OvenWerks | (server is both upgrading and going from 32->64 bit :P | 19:12 |
Rosco2 | Losing my home directory on the Music Studio may not be a bad idea | 19:14 |
Rosco2 | There is some horrible music created on there | 19:14 |
Rosco2 | :-) | 19:14 |
autumna | zequence: http://autumna.zequence.net/ you probably already know this, but you can do quite a bit with css. | 20:03 |
knome | autumna, instead of changing some of the basic structures of the theme, why don't you focus on how you would make a feature tour work with the theme? | 20:18 |
autumna | oh, I think sakrecoer is working on the feature tour? | 20:19 |
knome | i don't know | 20:19 |
knome | from the original theme author POV, these kind of changes are not really what i'm expecting | 20:20 |
autumna | the too much fun with css aside, the original background of the header chosen was making the text a bit hard to read, so I was trying to find a way to fix that without using another color. at least that is where I sidetracked ;D | 20:20 |
knome | you can change the color from the theme options | 20:21 |
knome | you don't need to apply any CSS yourself | 20:21 |
sakrecoer | yes, i am, but you are wellcome to help me autumna :) i'm commuting home right now, but i'll push it to some good place. maybe that way i can focus on the text and pictures. of course i will probably need feedback on that too.. | 20:22 |
autumna | yeah but I couldn't find a way to make it transparent, which was what I was trying to do (originally) | 20:22 |
knome | why would you need to make it transparent? | 20:23 |
autumna | sakrecoer just let me know which plugin you are using if you are using one, but yeah seeing the content would make it easier | 20:23 |
autumna | to change the color without changing the color? | 20:23 |
knome | there is nothing in the background that would make the color change anyway | 20:23 |
sakrecoer | autumna: http://sakrecoer.com/ubuntustudio/tour/ | 20:23 |
sakrecoer | no plugin, plain html... | 20:23 |
autumna | there is the gray color. | 20:24 |
autumna | and yes, if we did a flat color, I would eventually just get the midway color and use that, rather than using transparency | 20:24 |
autumna | sakrecoer: i can take this and see if I can take this and stuff it into a plugin | 20:26 |
autumna | if you want | 20:26 |
sakrecoer | that sounds AWESOME autumna!!! | 20:27 |
knome | instead of creating a plugin, why don't you create a page template in the child theme that allows the content area to span the whole window width? | 20:28 |
autumna | knome: I was actually just thinking something along the same lines | 20:29 |
knome | and on the same breath, that's why i'm here to begin with | 20:29 |
knome | i have been asking how you want to do things X, Y, Z but haven't heard anything back | 20:29 |
knome | so ideally the page template could even be somehow integrated in the main theme | 20:30 |
knome | to make sure everything is done right... | 20:30 |
autumna | I was poking into a child template actually that zequence created for us. | 20:30 |
knome | i know | 20:31 |
knome | i've talked with him about it | 20:32 |
autumna | but if you want it in the main template.. if this is to be a permanent part of the main template... maybe it might be better to have multiple items | 20:32 |
autumna | for each "Page" of the feature tour | 20:32 |
knome | that's related to content, not code | 20:32 |
autumna | how so? | 20:33 |
knome | how is it related to code whether you present something in one or five pages? | 20:34 |
knome | or if you have one or five menu items for it? | 20:34 |
sakrecoer | knome: the layout of the feature tour is different from the blog roll | 20:35 |
autumna | no what I meant wasn't having separate pages. | 20:35 |
autumna | I meant the output would look a single page | 20:36 |
knome | sakrecoer, ack | 20:36 |
knome | sakrecoer, i'm getting that since day one.. | 20:36 |
autumna | but when updating you would see different items | 20:36 |
knome | updating? | 20:36 |
autumna | ok so basically, the way sakrecoer made the feature tour is 1 page, with different categories. intro, audio, video, graphics | 20:38 |
autumna | each of these groupings have their own background image, title (I assume eventually) and content. | 20:38 |
autumna | so in some ways these are all independent "pages". so the template should allow multiple items of this type, but when viewing, view them one under another. | 20:39 |
zequence | knome: We're looking at doing exactly that - custom templates, but I haven't done that yet. Need to see how we can have custom css for those pages | 20:40 |
zequence | Like full width for certain elements | 20:40 |
autumna | its more modular, so the person doing the content entry doesn't have to play with the divs, and positioning background images, etc, - | 20:40 |
autumna | hi zequence :) | 20:41 |
zequence | autumna: Hi | 20:41 |
knome | zequence, the easiest way is to make sure the new page template has a specific body id/class, then in the css just do body#id/.class element { ... } | 20:41 |
zequence | knome: Right | 20:41 |
knome | you want to keep the structure of the html as intact as possible so you can benfit all the things the theme is doing for you | 20:42 |
zequence | I'm thinking inheritng most of the css for the new body#id, and just change the details that matter | 20:45 |
zequence | Since I do this kind of work so seldom, I have a very poor experience in what strategy is the best | 20:45 |
zequence | I mean, poor experience, not a poor experience | 20:46 |
zequence | It's also a matter of which way is the simplest for us - do we do the whole page in code, or do we make a custom page which we fill with content from WP | 20:48 |
zequence | It's a lot simpler to edit using WP, as otherwise we need to have Canonical admins upload our changes | 20:49 |
zequence | Meaning, it's easier to do the content from WP, which we have access to. We don't have direct access to the WP installation itself. NO ftp access, in other words | 20:49 |
autumna | zequence: re ease, do you plan to update content in this layout when 16.10 comes? or do we expect the website will change again? | 20:51 |
zequence | autumna: I would expect the website to stay pretty much the same at least until next LTS | 20:51 |
zequence | One of the main reasons to change this time, is to have the page being mobile friendly, but we might as well improve what else we can while doing it | 20:52 |
autumna | *nods* yeah to me it seems there can be some use to making a template page, I mean what sakrecoer created here looks pretty modern and can be reused even by other groups if we created something that makes it possible. | 20:53 |
autumna | the con is that I am not sure how difficult or easy it would be to create a template like that, I mean it is possible it isn't super complicated just.. I never did PHP development in WP. | 20:53 |
autumna | also there IS a third option | 20:54 |
autumna | that we just plug everything in now, to get things ready for thursday | 20:54 |
autumna | then calmly make it into a custom page template later. ;D | 20:55 |
zequence | autumna: Oh, but thursday is not the goal. We don't have time to meet that however we do it | 20:55 |
autumna | but if as soon as possible after thursday is the goal | 20:55 |
zequence | Sure. I mean, it shouldn't have to take longer than needed, so we can spend time on other things too. | 20:56 |
sakrecoer | i like the 3rd idea... :) but it would imply a blogpost for feature tour.. | 20:56 |
zequence | If it happens to be next week or two months from now, I think is irrelevant | 20:56 |
autumna | sakrecoer we probably at least will need to create a custom div style and make it 100% to put the whole thing in there | 20:56 |
zequence | sakrecoer: Not a blog post. A page. Its' different | 20:56 |
autumna | I think.. or as knome recommended, to have a different body type | 20:57 |
sakrecoer | the good thing about updating tge layout of website later is that we have a good reason to poke everyone on social media | 20:57 |
autumna | so either way that is happening | 20:57 |
zequence | There are some limitations as to what you can do in html from inside WP | 20:57 |
autumna | *nods*. I think we can pull it off with the current layout | 20:57 |
autumna | actually.. wait how do we create a custom page type? | 20:58 |
sakrecoer | ok, i thougt the onky diff between blogpost and page is that blogposts show up in the blogroll... | 20:58 |
autumna | actually | 20:59 |
autumna | I wonder if we can do it without it being a custom page, but just a page | 20:59 |
zequence | sakrecoer: The editing between a page or post is no different, but how they are organized is | 20:59 |
* autumna goes to try | 20:59 | |
zequence | autumna: We can't, if we want images to have full width, while text has adaptive width | 21:00 |
zequence | There's no way to link the html from the page to a custom css. That's why we need a custom page | 21:00 |
autumna | I see | 21:01 |
zequence | There are plugins that allow you to create custom pages, and I suppose they create custom html elements, but I wouldn't want to mess too much with that | 21:01 |
zequence | Let's sort out the elements we want, and see how we can best implement them | 21:01 |
knome | again, you only need a custom page template | 21:01 |
zequence | knome: How do we do custom backgrounds for different divs in the content? | 21:02 |
zequence | ..with a custom page template | 21:02 |
knome | you'll still need to control that separately | 21:02 |
knome | the template would allow you to have full-width content | 21:03 |
zequence | But, let's focus on what we want to customize first, ok? | 21:03 |
knome | one option is to load the different "modules" as autumna described above, but i think that's a bit hacky | 21:03 |
knome | and my guess is that ultimately, you end up wanting to change more than you can with that kind of template and thus requiring code updates via IS | 21:04 |
knome | i imagine you ideally want to change the feature tour in a major way only every 2 years with a new LTS | 21:05 |
knome | it's not so bad to have to ask IS for updates once in two years | 21:05 |
zequence | Yeah, if we only update certain pages that often, it would be no problem | 21:06 |
zequence | Even once every 6 months is ok | 21:06 |
knome | indeed | 21:06 |
knome | in reality, i request for updates from IS to the xubuntu website maybe once a month or two | 21:06 |
knome | they are even really responsive as we track the code in bzr and keep the changes in relatively small batches | 21:07 |
knome | and they don't really need to do code review for CSS | 21:07 |
knome | but if you had a PHP template you needed to update... yeah, it would likely take longer | 21:07 |
zequence | autumna: sakrecoer: The bottom of the feature page has bullets for things we want to customize. Please add new bullets if you think of any https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/FeatureDefinitions/WebsiteXenial#Things_we_want_to_be_able_to_do_in_our_custom_pages: | 21:08 |
autumna | it does look like we need to be able to either layer divs on top of each other, or have a custom div type that we can put background in yes, but also style, margins etc.. again I might be stating the obvious. | 21:16 |
autumna | (is anybody else getting 500s trying to login?) | 21:17 |
zequence | autumna: Yes, that would be the technical solution side of it. I don't have a clear idea myself how to best do it, but some sort of custom divs will be needed | 21:19 |
zequence | If using the WP page editor, the question is how we can do stuff like full width images from there. And, my first thought is adding a class to a html tag in the html editor | 21:20 |
knome | i'm worrying that you are overthinking it and that it'll end up being really wonky anyway | 21:20 |
zequence | knome: If we do that, maybe you can help straighten us out once we know more exactly how we want to do things :) | 21:21 |
knome | let's see | 21:21 |
knome | i want to help, but if it's something completely custom, then i don't know if it's sensible for me to put a lot of work into it | 21:22 |
zequence | No, and I wouldn't want to do that either myself | 21:23 |
autumna | ok question. | 21:23 |
autumna | will the backgrounds change? | 21:23 |
zequence | autumna: Which backgrounds? | 21:23 |
autumna | the backgrounds of the feature tour. unless we plan to use this custom page style for something else as well? | 21:24 |
zequence | the feature tour sakrecoer is more of a mockup, where he used existing art | 21:24 |
zequence | But, I say we keep what works | 21:24 |
autumna | I know but the point is, there is 4 categories. intro, audio software, video software and graphic software | 21:24 |
autumna | are we likely to add or remove categories from the page? | 21:25 |
zequence | Nope | 21:25 |
autumna | then what we basically need is 4 content areas | 21:25 |
zequence | autumna: I was able to login to the wiki just now. Took a little while though | 21:25 |
autumna | *tries again* | 21:25 |
autumna | if we can have 4 content areas to edit ( a normal page just has one) then we are fine. it is also hacky but.. at least it doesn't go into plugin territory like the individual pages idea. the other option I can really think is the individual modules thing which is more like a modified blog really which is.. complicated | 21:28 |
sakrecoer | i think i'd better step back from here, not much i can do to help with wordspress except feeding back on results.. but if i had to do it myself, i'd host the feature tour in html in a subdomain pointing to some github pages,veffectively allowing us any shape or form without having to bother RT.. | 21:34 |
sakrecoer | i'l focus on the content instead :) texts and those icons | 21:35 |
zequence | sakrecoer: We might customization on other pages as well, and be able to change them at any time | 21:35 |
zequence | We can't have the whole site as subdomains | 21:35 |
zequence | Particularly if we decide to have the feature tour as the front page | 21:35 |
autumna | let me see if there is a plugin we can use, that will have the same result | 21:36 |
sakrecoer | makes sense... what would canonical think of us having the hole site on github? | 21:36 |
zequence | There's still the option of having totally custom pages, not editable from WP, but without subdomains | 21:37 |
zequence | Just need a little bit of php to work that out | 21:37 |
zequence | But, nothing major | 21:37 |
* zequence not knowing exactly how, but will find out | 21:38 | |
sakrecoer | ok :) | 21:40 |
autumna | or we could go into a different direction.. | 21:40 |
autumna | https://wordpress.org/plugins/featured-pages-customizer/ and use something like this | 21:40 |
autumna | *brainstorms* | 21:40 |
sakrecoer | shoot just shoot autumna | 21:41 |
sakrecoer | :) | 21:41 |
zequence | autumna: You can always install them on your staging site and try to reproduce something similar to what sakrecoer did | 21:43 |
autumna | *nods* | 21:43 |
autumna | I might do that | 21:43 |
zequence | Just as proof of concept | 21:43 |
autumna | ok I think I found something | 21:53 |
autumna | http://getonepager.com/ trying this now will report findings ;D | 21:54 |
zequence | Seems respins are imminent, though will take some time to complete | 22:02 |
zequence | So, tomorrow is ISO testing day | 22:02 |
autumna | yay | 22:24 |
Rosco2 | cross fingers - here it comes | 22:29 |
Rosco2 | respins started | 22:30 |
sakrecoer | \o/ | 22:32 |
autumna | zequence: sakrecoer ok this is not remotely done but: http://autumna.zequence.net/feature-tour just to give an idea of what we can do with a plugin. The default options are a bit limiting but it seems enough to get things done? | 23:04 |
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