| flocculant | bluesabre: thanks :) | 05:46 |
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| bluesabre | morning all | 09:56 |
| akxwi-dave | morning | 10:01 |
| bluesabre | flocculant, akxwi-dave: new thunar package in -staging (1.6.10-2ppa2~16.04) which may help with the crashes... after installing, log out or killall Thunar to start fresh | 10:23 |
| bluesabre | if this seems to help, we'll try to get this uploaded to the archive this evening | 10:23 |
| akxwi-dave | will give it a blast now.. | 10:24 |
| bluesabre | thanks | 10:26 |
| akxwi-dave | no crashes so far... | 10:50 |
| bluesabre | same here | 11:00 |
| bluesabre | this looks promising | 11:00 |
| bluesabre | ok | 11:02 |
| bluesabre | got it to crash with renaming | 11:02 |
| bluesabre | but moving looks safe | 11:02 |
| bluesabre | F2 > 1, Enter, F2 > 2, Enter, etc | 11:03 |
| bluesabre | does seem to help | 11:03 |
| knome | bluesabre, are you using enter as punctuation? :P | 11:09 |
| bluesabre | knome: just showing my shortcut for crashing thunar with fast renames | 11:09 |
| knome | he missed the joke :( | 11:10 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: not going to get much time to look till after work | 11:13 |
| flocculant | but given I hardly ever got it to crash anyway not sure that'd help much - be better if someone who reported crashes - like knome - had a look :p | 11:14 |
| knome | let's see if i have the strength | 11:14 |
| * flocculant supplies copious amount of tonic | 11:15 | |
| flocculant | bluesabre: I can get it to not show real filename after mv - reload to show real names | 11:29 |
| flocculant | I can get it to show files even after cut and paste | 11:31 |
| bluesabre | flocculant, seemingly that was when you might have had a crash, one of the side effects of the "fix" according to ali1234 | 12:17 |
| jjfrv8 | bluesabre, I thought things were better with the new Thunar. Did lots of renames with no crashes. | 12:35 |
| jjfrv8 | But then I created a new file and started renaming it. Now it's crashing regularly again. | 12:35 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: not sure which changes in glib/gvfs triggered these crashes, but thunar is stable with older versions of them (talked to hjudt about this today IRL) | 13:01 |
| PaulW2U | bluesabre: re bug 1512120, after about 50 renames using the latest PPA version I saw thunar crash once | 16:02 |
| ubottu | bug 1512120 in thunar (Ubuntu) "thunar crashes on file renaming" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1512120 | 16:02 |
| PaulW2U | I'm still seeing the wrong file highlighted after the rename though | 16:03 |
| flocculant | PaulW2U: thanks for checking and commenting :) | 16:10 |
| flocculant | bluesabre ochosi - I suppose the sensible thing to do now would be go back to a stabler version | 16:11 |
| flocculant | ochosi: there is talk in -desktop about naming g-s Ubuntu Software in Unity - but only in Unity seemingly | 16:14 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: right finally got a crash doing the same as jjfrv8 - loads of renames - fine, create a new file - renamed it a few times - crash | 16:18 |
| flocculant | and then it's easy to create the crash | 16:19 |
| Unit193 | ...Are they trying to make things inconsistant? | 16:27 |
| Unit193 | s/a/e/ | 16:27 |
| flocculant | Unit193: g-s I assume ... who knows | 16:28 |
| flocculant | Unit193: question being - if it was last week would we also have preferred u-s over g-s | 16:36 |
| Unit193 | Well, right now it is 'Software', so why not? | 16:37 |
| Unit193 | But, seems better than "If you're in Ubuntu, click 'Ubuntu Software', anything else click 'Software'" - "Why is it different?" - "Because." | 16:38 |
| flocculant | yup | 16:40 |
| flocculant | unless it becomes Gnome Software elesewhere | 16:41 |
| * flocculant asks if it is staying as Software | 16:43 | |
| flocculant | staying as Software elsewhere | 16:44 |
| flocculant | hello wxl :) | 16:55 |
| wxl | thanks flocculant :) | 16:56 |
| flocculant | knome: started a pad (xubuntu-small-nuggets) with bits we can show people eg power manager icon - how to change what shows | 18:27 |
| Unit193 | flocculant: Actually, did you read the g-s changelog? Looks like there'll be a 'ubuntu-software' package which'll basically be branding. | 19:26 |
| flocculant | Unit193: no - was just reading some irc | 19:27 |
| Unit193 | ..Now I'm a bit peeved. | 19:27 |
| Unit193 | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/2.206 stupid crap. | 19:27 |
| flocculant | uefi and snapd | 19:28 |
| Unit193 | snapd in core.. | 19:28 |
| flocculant | mmm | 19:29 |
| flocculant | Unit193: pretty sure they still don't quite *get* core | 19:29 |
| Unit193 | flocculant: They added it to platform.xenial/desktop, not our seed directly. We can't fix it. | 19:30 |
| flocculant | ok | 19:30 |
| flocculant | well not ok - but ok I understand what you're saying | 19:31 |
| Unit193 | I can't blacklist it in core without blacklisting it in desktop too... | 19:31 |
| Unit193 | Oooh, maybe I can. | 19:32 |
| Unit193 | flocculant: Tested and it does actually work. \o/ | 20:11 |
| flocculant | \o/ | 20:12 |
| flocculant | Unit193: got time to double check the wallpaper post? | 20:12 |
| Unit193 | Now all I have to do is convince tech lead. | 20:12 |
| flocculant | ha ha | 20:12 |
| Unit193 | flocculant: I doubt I'll be of help, but why not? | 20:12 |
| knome | evening | 20:12 |
| flocculant | Unit193: ahah | 20:12 |
| flocculant | no need now :) | 20:13 |
| Unit193 | Sounds good. | 20:13 |
| flocculant | I was sure we were publishing tonight and I'd looked | 20:13 |
| knome | bah | 20:13 |
| knome | i did think about waiting until Unit193 checked it | 20:13 |
| flocculant | but not seen knome - so wanted a double check after I'd looked today :) | 20:13 |
| flocculant | made two small changes today ... | 20:14 |
| flocculant | and hi knome :) | 20:14 |
| knome | looks good to me and made another small change | 20:14 |
| knome | s/Great!/Great work!/ | 20:15 |
| flocculant | yup ok | 20:15 |
| knome | pleia2, social media time! (: | 20:15 |
| knome | https://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-16-04-wallpaper-competition-winners/ out | 20:16 |
| knome | and tweeted | 20:16 |
| flocculant | thought you would have named your ones like ochosi did | 20:18 |
| knome | nah | 20:18 |
| flocculant | now that's all out of the way | 20:19 |
| knome | for now | 20:21 |
| flocculant | yea | 20:21 |
| flocculant | release note is all I'm caring about now | 20:22 |
| knome | :) | 20:22 |
| flocculant | infinity is in UK I think - expecting them to want to get it dusted and done early as possible on Thursday | 20:22 |
| knome | mhm | 20:24 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: yeah, but what i took away was that it's not changes in thunar, it's changes in glib/gvfs, so really we'd have to go to an earlier version of that (which we can't) | 20:36 |
| ochosi | oh oops, flocculant ^ :) | 20:37 |
| knome | i guess that's partly good news.. | 20:37 |
| flocculant | ochosi: evening :) | 20:38 |
| flocculant | well if we can't then we're stuck with a knackered one I suppose | 20:39 |
| flocculant | certainly SRU material at that point surely | 20:39 |
| flocculant | though afaik the issue happens if you're renaming etc a *lot* | 20:40 |
| flocculant | probably why I don't see it | 20:40 |
| ochosi | yeah, dunno, we already received a fair amount of bugreports | 20:42 |
| ochosi | so this is likely to increase quite a bit | 20:42 |
| ochosi | i guess the only way to fix it is to fix the problem/s in thunar | 20:42 |
| flocculant | ochosi: yea | 20:42 |
| ochosi | which means understanding what changed in glib | 20:42 |
| flocculant | I've more chance of walking on the moon ... | 20:43 |
| flocculant | ochosi: but - given the issue - the bug reports are going to be dupes | 20:44 |
| ochosi | well i guess that chances that hjudt will find time to look at this soon are slim (he's in the same "situation" i am in, so a lot less free time and energy) | 20:44 |
| flocculant | mmm | 20:44 |
| ochosi | yeah, just saying, people *will* complain | 20:44 |
| flocculant | yep | 20:44 |
| flocculant | I would too :) | 20:44 |
| knome | flocculant, what do you mean you "would" complain? | 20:45 |
| * knome hides | 20:45 | |
| ochosi | sure | 20:45 |
| ochosi | haha | 20:45 |
| flocculant | as long as we're up front about it - it's on the wiki notes (that people read when it's too late) is at least on the draft x.org one | 20:45 |
| flocculant | knome: :D | 20:45 |
| flocculant | s/is/and is | 20:46 |
| flocculant | ochosi: if that ^^ situation continues then even more reason to look at thunar alternatives perhaps | 20:46 |
| flocculant | I'd rather not - but ... | 20:47 |
| ochosi | yeah, just wondering where that path will lead us | 20:50 |
| flocculant | yea | 20:50 |
| pleia2 | knome: all shared | 20:51 |
| knome | pleia2, thanks :) | 20:51 |
| flocculant | ochosi: I guess it's a discussion we'll need to start pretty quickly anyway | 20:51 |
| Unit193 | Right, so as documented what I'm doing with the seed works, but in reality it doesn't. \o/ | 20:52 |
| flocculant | Unit193: so some sort of works if you don't look to deeply thing :p | 20:52 |
| Unit193 | So works if you don't expect changes. | 20:53 |
| flocculant | :) | 20:53 |
| Unit193 | Asked in -devel, waiting for anyone to look. :3 | 20:54 |
| ochosi | flocculant: not sure whether we really need to rush this | 20:54 |
| ochosi | next release is not lts, so we have a few cycles of time to settle on a resolution | 20:54 |
| flocculant | ochosi: well no I guess not | 20:54 |
| Unit193 | http://paste.openstack.org/show/m5GeFqwr5UtqElW3xuOY/ did a quick grep of libfm. :P | 20:55 |
| flocculant | ochosi: all we can do now is wait - could be it doesn't affect as many people as we think it might | 20:57 |
| flocculant | if people decide the patches help we can but try to get it in last gasp :) | 20:58 |
| flocculant | might not completely fix the issue, but if it makes it less pronounced then it's got my +1 | 20:59 |
| flocculant | anyway - that's enough for Tuesday - night all :) | 21:02 |
| flocculant | will no doubt read stuff in teh morning | 21:02 |
| ochosi | yeah | 21:03 |
| ochosi | i think it will make the issue less pronounced | 21:03 |
| ochosi | i mean i'm pretty sure about that | 21:03 |
| sidi | ochosi, we need to go for beer some day! | 21:03 |
| ochosi | sidi: wat, already in vienna? | 21:04 |
| bluesabre | So, thinking yay or nay for the thunar patches? | 21:20 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: thinking yay, as that was also my take away from the discussion with ali1234 | 21:22 |
| ochosi | but yeah, in the long run those patches won't be good enough | 21:24 |
| bluesabre | Alright, I'll test it some more and upload tonight | 21:24 |
| ochosi | alrighty, coolio | 21:33 |
| ochosi | night everyone | 21:48 |
| bluesabre | night ochosi | 21:56 |
| knome | pleia2, did you happen to catch my message about release-specific "marketing packs"? | 23:03 |
| pleia2 | nope | 23:03 |
| knome | let me dig the whole thing up from the backlog | 23:03 |
| knome | 16:03 knome: one more thing we could do starting with this cycle is a release-specific "marketing bundle" | 23:04 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Did you see the info about ubuntu-software? | 23:04 |
| knome | 16:03 knome: that would include screenshots of the release, the wallpaper for the release, community wallpaper winners (if appropriate), also xubuntu logos (to get the new ones circulating more), the release announcement | 23:04 |
| knome | pleia2, ^ would also help book-writers | 23:05 |
| pleia2 | that would be nice | 23:06 |
| bluesabre | Unit193, a bit... Anything important for us other than it just showing as "Software" outside of Ubuntu? | 23:06 |
| Unit193 | In theory just branding, right. | 23:07 |
| knome | pleia2, let's see putting on up for 16.04 then | 23:09 |
| knome | anyway, time to go to bed | 23:09 |
| knome | nighty nighty people | 23:09 |
| pleia2 | knome: chat tomorrow, I have even less time than normal right now | 23:09 |
| knome | pleia2, mhm, i can take care of most of it | 23:10 |
| knome | --> | 23:10 |
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