[05:46] <flocculant> bluesabre: thanks :)
[09:56] <bluesabre> morning all
[10:01] <akxwi-dave> morning
[10:23] <bluesabre> flocculant, akxwi-dave: new thunar package in -staging (1.6.10-2ppa2~16.04) which may help with the crashes... after installing, log out or killall Thunar to start fresh
[10:23] <bluesabre> if this seems to help, we'll try to get this uploaded to the archive this evening
[10:24] <akxwi-dave> will give it a blast now.. 
[10:26] <bluesabre> thanks
[10:50] <akxwi-dave> no crashes so far...
[11:00] <bluesabre> same here
[11:00] <bluesabre> this looks promising
[11:02] <bluesabre> ok
[11:02] <bluesabre> got it to crash with renaming
[11:02] <bluesabre> but moving looks safe
[11:03] <bluesabre> F2 > 1, Enter, F2 > 2, Enter, etc
[11:03] <bluesabre> does seem to help
[11:09] <knome> bluesabre, are you using enter as punctuation? :P
[11:09] <bluesabre> knome: just showing my shortcut for crashing thunar with fast renames
[11:10] <knome> he missed the joke :(
[11:13] <flocculant> bluesabre: not going to get much time to look till after work 
[11:14] <flocculant> but given I hardly ever got it to crash anyway not sure that'd help much - be better if someone who reported crashes - like knome - had a look :p
[11:14] <knome> let's see if i have the strength
[11:15]  * flocculant supplies copious amount of tonic 
[11:29] <flocculant> bluesabre: I can get it to not show real filename after mv - reload to show real names
[11:31] <flocculant> I can get it to show files even after cut and paste
[12:17] <bluesabre> flocculant, seemingly that was when you might have had a crash, one of the side effects of the "fix" according to ali1234
[12:35] <jjfrv8> bluesabre, I thought things were better with the new Thunar. Did lots of renames with no crashes.
[12:35] <jjfrv8> But then I created a new file and started renaming it. Now it's crashing regularly again.
[13:01] <ochosi> bluesabre: not sure which changes in glib/gvfs triggered these crashes, but thunar is stable with older versions of them (talked to hjudt about this today IRL)
[16:02] <PaulW2U> bluesabre: re bug 1512120, after about 50 renames using the latest PPA version I saw thunar crash once
[16:03] <PaulW2U> I'm still seeing the wrong file highlighted after the rename though
[16:10] <flocculant> PaulW2U: thanks for checking and commenting :)
[16:11] <flocculant> bluesabre ochosi - I suppose the sensible thing to do now would be go back to a stabler version 
[16:14] <flocculant> ochosi: there is talk in -desktop about naming g-s Ubuntu Software in Unity - but only in Unity seemingly
[16:18] <flocculant> bluesabre: right finally got a crash doing the same as jjfrv8 - loads of renames - fine, create a new file - renamed it a few times - crash
[16:19] <flocculant> and then it's easy to create the crash
[16:27] <Unit193> ...Are they trying to make things inconsistant?
[16:27] <Unit193> s/a/e/
[16:28] <flocculant> Unit193: g-s I assume ... who knows
[16:36] <flocculant> Unit193: question being - if it was last week would we also have preferred u-s over g-s
[16:37] <Unit193> Well, right now it is 'Software', so why not?
[16:38] <Unit193> But, seems better than "If you're in Ubuntu, click 'Ubuntu Software', anything else click 'Software'" - "Why is it different?" - "Because."
[16:40] <flocculant> yup
[16:41] <flocculant> unless it becomes Gnome Software elesewhere
[16:43]  * flocculant asks if it is staying as Software
[16:44] <flocculant> staying as Software elsewhere
[16:55] <flocculant> hello wxl :)
[16:56] <wxl> thanks flocculant :)
[18:27] <flocculant> knome: started a pad (xubuntu-small-nuggets) with bits we can show people eg power manager icon - how to change what shows
[19:26] <Unit193> flocculant: Actually, did you read the g-s changelog?  Looks like there'll be a 'ubuntu-software' package which'll basically be branding.
[19:27] <flocculant> Unit193: no - was just reading some irc
[19:27] <Unit193> ..Now I'm a bit peeved.
[19:27] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/2.206 stupid crap.
[19:28] <flocculant> uefi and snapd 
[19:28] <Unit193> snapd in core..
[19:29] <flocculant> mmm
[19:29] <flocculant> Unit193: pretty sure they still don't quite *get* core
[19:30] <Unit193> flocculant: They added it to platform.xenial/desktop, not our seed directly.  We can't fix it.
[19:30] <flocculant> ok
[19:31] <flocculant> well not ok - but ok I understand what you're saying 
[19:31] <Unit193> I can't blacklist it in core without blacklisting it in desktop too...
[19:32] <Unit193> Oooh, maybe I can.
[20:11] <Unit193> flocculant: Tested and it does actually work. \o/
[20:12] <flocculant> \o/
[20:12] <flocculant> Unit193: got time to double check the wallpaper post? 
[20:12] <Unit193> Now all I have to do is convince tech lead.
[20:12] <flocculant> ha ha 
[20:12] <Unit193> flocculant: I doubt I'll be of help, but why not?
[20:12] <knome> evening
[20:12] <flocculant> Unit193: ahah
[20:13] <flocculant> no need now :)
[20:13] <Unit193> Sounds good.
[20:13] <flocculant> I was sure we were publishing tonight and I'd looked 
[20:13] <knome> bah
[20:13] <knome> i did think about waiting until Unit193 checked it
[20:13] <flocculant> but not seen knome - so wanted a double check after I'd looked today :)
[20:14] <flocculant> made two small changes today ... 
[20:14] <flocculant> and hi knome :)
[20:14] <knome> looks good to me and made another small change
[20:15] <knome> s/Great!/Great work!/
[20:15] <flocculant> yup ok 
[20:15] <knome> pleia2, social media time! (:
[20:16] <knome> https://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-16-04-wallpaper-competition-winners/ out
[20:16] <knome> and tweeted
[20:18] <flocculant> thought you would have named your ones like ochosi did
[20:18] <knome> nah
[20:19] <flocculant> now that's all out of the way
[20:21] <knome> for now
[20:21] <flocculant> yea
[20:22] <flocculant> release note is all I'm caring about now
[20:22] <knome> :)
[20:22] <flocculant> infinity is in UK I think - expecting them to want to get it dusted and done early as possible on Thursday
[20:24] <knome> mhm
[20:36] <ochosi> bluesabre: yeah, but what i took away was that it's not changes in thunar, it's changes in glib/gvfs, so really we'd have to go to an earlier version of that (which we can't)
[20:37] <ochosi> oh oops, flocculant ^ :)
[20:37] <knome> i guess that's partly good news..
[20:38] <flocculant> ochosi: evening :)
[20:39] <flocculant> well if we can't then we're stuck with a knackered one I suppose
[20:39] <flocculant> certainly SRU material at that point surely
[20:40] <flocculant> though afaik the issue happens if you're renaming etc a *lot* 
[20:40] <flocculant> probably why I don't see it
[20:42] <ochosi> yeah, dunno, we already received a fair amount of bugreports
[20:42] <ochosi> so this is likely to increase quite a bit
[20:42] <ochosi> i guess the only way to fix it is to fix the problem/s in thunar
[20:42] <flocculant> ochosi: yea
[20:42] <ochosi> which means understanding what changed in glib
[20:43] <flocculant> I've more chance of walking on the moon ... 
[20:44] <flocculant> ochosi: but - given the issue - the bug reports are going to be dupes 
[20:44] <ochosi> well i guess that chances that hjudt will find time to look at this soon are slim (he's in the same "situation" i am in, so a lot less free time and energy)
[20:44] <flocculant> mmm
[20:44] <ochosi> yeah, just saying, people *will* complain
[20:44] <flocculant> yep 
[20:44] <flocculant> I would too :)
[20:45] <knome> flocculant, what do you mean you "would" complain?
[20:45]  * knome hides
[20:45] <ochosi> sure
[20:45] <ochosi> haha
[20:45] <flocculant> as long as we're up front about it - it's on the wiki notes (that people read when it's too late) is at least on the draft x.org one
[20:45] <flocculant> knome: :D
[20:46] <flocculant> s/is/and is
[20:46] <flocculant> ochosi: if that ^^ situation continues then even more reason to look at thunar alternatives perhaps
[20:47] <flocculant> I'd rather not - but ... 
[20:50] <ochosi> yeah, just wondering where that path will lead us
[20:50] <flocculant> yea
[20:51] <pleia2> knome: all shared
[20:51] <knome> pleia2, thanks :)
[20:51] <flocculant> ochosi: I guess it's a discussion we'll need to start pretty quickly anyway
[20:52] <Unit193> Right, so as documented what I'm doing with the seed works, but in reality it doesn't. \o/
[20:52] <flocculant> Unit193: so some sort of works if you don't look to deeply thing :p
[20:53] <Unit193> So works if you don't expect changes.
[20:53] <flocculant> :)
[20:54] <Unit193> Asked in -devel, waiting for anyone to look. :3
[20:54] <ochosi> flocculant: not sure whether we really need to rush this
[20:54] <ochosi> next release is not lts, so we have a few cycles of time to settle on a resolution
[20:54] <flocculant> ochosi: well no I guess not 
[20:55] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/m5GeFqwr5UtqElW3xuOY/ did a quick grep of libfm. :P
[20:57] <flocculant> ochosi: all we can do now is wait - could be it doesn't affect as many people as we think it might
[20:58] <flocculant> if people decide the patches help we can but try to get it in last gasp :)
[20:59] <flocculant> might not completely fix the issue, but if it makes it less pronounced then it's got my +1 
[21:02] <flocculant> anyway - that's enough for Tuesday - night all :)
[21:02] <flocculant> will no doubt read stuff in teh morning 
[21:03] <ochosi> yeah
[21:03] <ochosi> i think it will make the issue less pronounced
[21:03] <ochosi> i mean i'm pretty sure about that
[21:03] <sidi> ochosi, we need to go for beer some day!
[21:04] <ochosi> sidi: wat, already in vienna?
[21:20] <bluesabre> So, thinking yay or nay for the thunar patches?
[21:22] <ochosi> bluesabre: thinking yay, as that was also my take away from the discussion with ali1234 
[21:24] <ochosi> but yeah, in the long run those patches won't be good enough
[21:24] <bluesabre> Alright, I'll test it some more and upload tonight
[21:33] <ochosi> alrighty, coolio
[21:48] <ochosi> night everyone
[21:56] <bluesabre> night ochosi
[23:03] <knome> pleia2, did you happen to catch my message about release-specific "marketing packs"?
[23:03] <pleia2> nope
[23:03] <knome> let me dig the whole thing up from the backlog
[23:04] <knome> 16:03  knome: one more thing we could do starting with this cycle is a release-specific "marketing bundle"
[23:04] <Unit193> bluesabre: Did you see the info about ubuntu-software?
[23:04] <knome> 16:03  knome: that would include screenshots of the release, the wallpaper for the release, community wallpaper winners (if appropriate), also xubuntu logos (to get the new ones circulating more), the release announcement
[23:05] <knome> pleia2, ^ would also help book-writers
[23:06] <pleia2> that would be nice
[23:06] <bluesabre> Unit193, a bit... Anything important for us other than it just showing as "Software" outside of Ubuntu?
[23:07] <Unit193> In theory just branding, right.
[23:09] <knome> pleia2, let's see putting on up for 16.04 then
[23:09] <knome> anyway, time to go to bed
[23:09] <knome> nighty nighty people
[23:09] <pleia2> knome: chat tomorrow, I have even less time than normal right now
[23:10] <knome> pleia2, mhm, i can take care of most of it
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