[05:46] bluesabre: thanks :) [09:56] morning all [10:01] morning [10:23] flocculant, akxwi-dave: new thunar package in -staging (1.6.10-2ppa2~16.04) which may help with the crashes... after installing, log out or killall Thunar to start fresh [10:23] if this seems to help, we'll try to get this uploaded to the archive this evening [10:24] will give it a blast now.. [10:26] thanks [10:50] no crashes so far... [11:00] same here [11:00] this looks promising [11:02] ok [11:02] got it to crash with renaming [11:02] but moving looks safe [11:03] F2 > 1, Enter, F2 > 2, Enter, etc [11:03] does seem to help [11:09] bluesabre, are you using enter as punctuation? :P [11:09] knome: just showing my shortcut for crashing thunar with fast renames [11:10] he missed the joke :( [11:13] bluesabre: not going to get much time to look till after work [11:14] but given I hardly ever got it to crash anyway not sure that'd help much - be better if someone who reported crashes - like knome - had a look :p [11:14] let's see if i have the strength [11:15] * flocculant supplies copious amount of tonic [11:29] bluesabre: I can get it to not show real filename after mv - reload to show real names [11:31] I can get it to show files even after cut and paste [12:17] flocculant, seemingly that was when you might have had a crash, one of the side effects of the "fix" according to ali1234 [12:35] bluesabre, I thought things were better with the new Thunar. Did lots of renames with no crashes. [12:35] But then I created a new file and started renaming it. Now it's crashing regularly again. [13:01] bluesabre: not sure which changes in glib/gvfs triggered these crashes, but thunar is stable with older versions of them (talked to hjudt about this today IRL) [16:02] bluesabre: re bug 1512120, after about 50 renames using the latest PPA version I saw thunar crash once [16:02] bug 1512120 in thunar (Ubuntu) "thunar crashes on file renaming" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1512120 [16:03] I'm still seeing the wrong file highlighted after the rename though [16:10] PaulW2U: thanks for checking and commenting :) [16:11] bluesabre ochosi - I suppose the sensible thing to do now would be go back to a stabler version [16:14] ochosi: there is talk in -desktop about naming g-s Ubuntu Software in Unity - but only in Unity seemingly [16:18] bluesabre: right finally got a crash doing the same as jjfrv8 - loads of renames - fine, create a new file - renamed it a few times - crash [16:19] and then it's easy to create the crash [16:27] ...Are they trying to make things inconsistant? [16:27] s/a/e/ [16:28] Unit193: g-s I assume ... who knows [16:36] Unit193: question being - if it was last week would we also have preferred u-s over g-s [16:37] Well, right now it is 'Software', so why not? [16:38] But, seems better than "If you're in Ubuntu, click 'Ubuntu Software', anything else click 'Software'" - "Why is it different?" - "Because." [16:40] yup [16:41] unless it becomes Gnome Software elesewhere [16:43] * flocculant asks if it is staying as Software [16:44] staying as Software elsewhere [16:55] hello wxl :) [16:56] thanks flocculant :) [18:27] knome: started a pad (xubuntu-small-nuggets) with bits we can show people eg power manager icon - how to change what shows [19:26] flocculant: Actually, did you read the g-s changelog? Looks like there'll be a 'ubuntu-software' package which'll basically be branding. [19:27] Unit193: no - was just reading some irc [19:27] ..Now I'm a bit peeved. [19:27] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/2.206 stupid crap. [19:28] uefi and snapd [19:28] snapd in core.. [19:29] mmm [19:29] Unit193: pretty sure they still don't quite *get* core [19:30] flocculant: They added it to platform.xenial/desktop, not our seed directly. We can't fix it. [19:30] ok [19:31] well not ok - but ok I understand what you're saying [19:31] I can't blacklist it in core without blacklisting it in desktop too... [19:32] Oooh, maybe I can. [20:11] flocculant: Tested and it does actually work. \o/ [20:12] \o/ [20:12] Unit193: got time to double check the wallpaper post? [20:12] Now all I have to do is convince tech lead. [20:12] ha ha [20:12] flocculant: I doubt I'll be of help, but why not? [20:12] evening [20:12] Unit193: ahah [20:13] no need now :) [20:13] Sounds good. [20:13] I was sure we were publishing tonight and I'd looked [20:13] bah [20:13] i did think about waiting until Unit193 checked it [20:13] but not seen knome - so wanted a double check after I'd looked today :) [20:14] made two small changes today ... [20:14] and hi knome :) [20:14] looks good to me and made another small change [20:15] s/Great!/Great work!/ [20:15] yup ok [20:15] pleia2, social media time! (: [20:16] https://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-16-04-wallpaper-competition-winners/ out [20:16] and tweeted [20:18] thought you would have named your ones like ochosi did [20:18] nah [20:19] now that's all out of the way [20:21] for now [20:21] yea [20:22] release note is all I'm caring about now [20:22] :) [20:22] infinity is in UK I think - expecting them to want to get it dusted and done early as possible on Thursday [20:24] mhm [20:36] bluesabre: yeah, but what i took away was that it's not changes in thunar, it's changes in glib/gvfs, so really we'd have to go to an earlier version of that (which we can't) [20:37] oh oops, flocculant ^ :) [20:37] i guess that's partly good news.. [20:38] ochosi: evening :) [20:39] well if we can't then we're stuck with a knackered one I suppose [20:39] certainly SRU material at that point surely [20:40] though afaik the issue happens if you're renaming etc a *lot* [20:40] probably why I don't see it [20:42] yeah, dunno, we already received a fair amount of bugreports [20:42] so this is likely to increase quite a bit [20:42] i guess the only way to fix it is to fix the problem/s in thunar [20:42] ochosi: yea [20:42] which means understanding what changed in glib [20:43] I've more chance of walking on the moon ... [20:44] ochosi: but - given the issue - the bug reports are going to be dupes [20:44] well i guess that chances that hjudt will find time to look at this soon are slim (he's in the same "situation" i am in, so a lot less free time and energy) [20:44] mmm [20:44] yeah, just saying, people *will* complain [20:44] yep [20:44] I would too :) [20:45] flocculant, what do you mean you "would" complain? [20:45] * knome hides [20:45] sure [20:45] haha [20:45] as long as we're up front about it - it's on the wiki notes (that people read when it's too late) is at least on the draft x.org one [20:45] knome: :D [20:46] s/is/and is [20:46] ochosi: if that ^^ situation continues then even more reason to look at thunar alternatives perhaps [20:47] I'd rather not - but ... [20:50] yeah, just wondering where that path will lead us [20:50] yea [20:51] knome: all shared [20:51] pleia2, thanks :) [20:51] ochosi: I guess it's a discussion we'll need to start pretty quickly anyway [20:52] Right, so as documented what I'm doing with the seed works, but in reality it doesn't. \o/ [20:52] Unit193: so some sort of works if you don't look to deeply thing :p [20:53] So works if you don't expect changes. [20:53] :) [20:54] Asked in -devel, waiting for anyone to look. :3 [20:54] flocculant: not sure whether we really need to rush this [20:54] next release is not lts, so we have a few cycles of time to settle on a resolution [20:54] ochosi: well no I guess not [20:55] http://paste.openstack.org/show/m5GeFqwr5UtqElW3xuOY/ did a quick grep of libfm. :P [20:57] ochosi: all we can do now is wait - could be it doesn't affect as many people as we think it might [20:58] if people decide the patches help we can but try to get it in last gasp :) [20:59] might not completely fix the issue, but if it makes it less pronounced then it's got my +1 [21:02] anyway - that's enough for Tuesday - night all :) [21:02] will no doubt read stuff in teh morning [21:03] yeah [21:03] i think it will make the issue less pronounced [21:03] i mean i'm pretty sure about that [21:03] ochosi, we need to go for beer some day! [21:04] sidi: wat, already in vienna? [21:20] So, thinking yay or nay for the thunar patches? [21:22] bluesabre: thinking yay, as that was also my take away from the discussion with ali1234 [21:24] but yeah, in the long run those patches won't be good enough [21:24] Alright, I'll test it some more and upload tonight [21:33] alrighty, coolio [21:48] night everyone [21:56] night ochosi [23:03] pleia2, did you happen to catch my message about release-specific "marketing packs"? [23:03] nope [23:03] let me dig the whole thing up from the backlog [23:04] 16:03 knome: one more thing we could do starting with this cycle is a release-specific "marketing bundle" [23:04] bluesabre: Did you see the info about ubuntu-software? [23:04] 16:03 knome: that would include screenshots of the release, the wallpaper for the release, community wallpaper winners (if appropriate), also xubuntu logos (to get the new ones circulating more), the release announcement [23:05] pleia2, ^ would also help book-writers [23:06] that would be nice [23:06] Unit193, a bit... Anything important for us other than it just showing as "Software" outside of Ubuntu? [23:07] In theory just branding, right. [23:09] pleia2, let's see putting on up for 16.04 then [23:09] anyway, time to go to bed [23:09] nighty nighty people [23:09] knome: chat tomorrow, I have even less time than normal right now [23:10] pleia2, mhm, i can take care of most of it [23:10] -->