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[00:04] <rud0lf> when i make terminal beep by "pactl upload-sample /usr/.... bell.ogg", after some time passes it stops working, there is no sound, logging out and in brings it back (the command is in ~/.xprofile)
[00:04] <rud0lf> i don't do anything in particular, just use irssi and firefox
[00:05] <rud0lf> the problem was not present in ubuntu 14.04
[00:12] <rud0lf> btw, have you noticed that "lsb_release" -d doesn't show "(developer ..)" any more?
[00:13] <teward> rud0lf: i think that's intentional given the proximity to release
[00:13] <teward> but it's just a tiny aesthetic thing :P
[00:14] <rud0lf> mhm
[00:14] <rud0lf> just gives a nice psychical boost it's stable
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[01:35] <Bluefoxicy> bleh
[01:35] <Bluefoxicy> openjdk-9-jdk won't install
[01:35] <Bluefoxicy> it conflicts with -headless
[01:35] <Bluefoxicy> and REQUIRES -headless
[01:37] <nacc> Bluefoxicy: i don't see any conflicts?
[01:37] <nacc> 9~b114-0ubuntu1
[01:38] <Bluefoxicy> nacc:  I removed both and then did an apt-get install openjdk-9-jdk and it immediately tells me one is trying to overwrite files installed by the other
[01:38] <Bluefoxicy> sec let me finish this kernel upgrade
[02:16] <Bluefoxicy> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[02:16] <Bluefoxicy>   openjdk-9-jdk openjdk-9-jdk-headless
[02:16] <Bluefoxicy> dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/openjdk-9-jdk_9~b114-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[02:16] <Bluefoxicy>  trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/jvm/java-9-openjdk-amd64/include/linux/jawt_md.h', which is also in package openjdk-9-jdk-headless:amd64 9~b114-0ubuntu1
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[04:09] <roler> based on the ReleaseSchedule link, if I upgrade to 16.04 now, is it the final version? or still beta/pre-release? It looks like it was frozen on April 14th
[04:37] <lotuspsychje> mcphail: is this relevant for your yesterdays question? http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-sdk-ide-and-devkit-officially-released-for-ubuntu-16-04-built-on-qt-5-6-503188.shtml
[04:46] <lotuspsychje> aha 75mb updates guys and new kernel
[04:47] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic
[04:47] <ubottu> linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 4.4.0.18.19 (xenial), package size 2 kB, installed size 11 kB
[06:18] <Gnomethrower> What happens when we run out of letters?
[06:18] <Gnomethrower> next release after Xenial is Y, then Z, then... ???
[06:18] <TJ-> We switch to base 64
[06:19] <Gnomethrower> TJ-: or tonal, lol
[06:20] <TJ-> It's weird, it seems to have come a long way, and yet when I look at the mounting number of common regressions I think Hardy was better then, than Xenial is now, in respect of hardware support not being broken after originally working. Sometimes the direction of progress is backwards.
[08:12] <lotuspsychje> seems like things 'can' change after final freeze, gnome-software changed to ubuntu-software icon
[08:19] <lotuspsychje> !info wine | MY123
[08:19] <ubottu> MY123: wine (source: wine1.6): Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (meta-package). In component universe, is extra. Version 1:1.6.2-0ubuntu14 (xenial), package size 0 kB, installed size 6 kB (Only available for i386; amd64)
[08:19] <lotuspsychje> MY123: = not removed
[08:19] <MY123> it doesn't want to install
[08:19] <MY123> only wine-development installed
[08:19] <lotuspsychje> MY123: wich command did you try?
[08:20] <MY123> lotuspsychje: apt install wine1.6
[08:20] <lotuspsychje> MY123: sudo apt-get install wine
[08:20] <MY123> lotuspsychje: also doesn't work
[08:20] <MY123> only wine-development installs for some reason
[08:20] <lotuspsychje> MY123: pastebin the errors plz?
[08:21] <MY123> lotuspsychje: ok
[08:23] <MY123> lotuspsychje: seems that it was because Multiarch was not enabled
[08:23] <lotuspsychje> ok
[08:24] <MY123> lotuspsychje: it should still not fail that spectacularly
[08:24] <lotuspsychje> MY123: beta2? daily? upgrade?
[08:26] <MY123> lotuspsychje: xenial instead of trusty in sources.list
[08:26] <lotuspsychje> ?
[08:26] <MY123> paste2.org/NLM1tcsn
[08:26] <MY123> lotuspsychje: I updated from Trusty to Xenial
[08:27] <lotuspsychje> MY123: thats not recommended
[08:27] <lotuspsychje> MY123: clean install 16.04 instead
[08:28] <lotuspsychje> MY123: when 16.04.1 is out, you can safely upgrade from 14.04
[08:29] <lotuspsychje> MY123: you got ppa's installed also?
[08:29] <MY123> lotuspsychje: no PPAs
[08:30] <MY123> using the Windows SubSystem for Linux (Project Astoria) syscall provider
[08:30] <lotuspsychje> MY123: try a daily 16.04 and update to latest, or wait until tomorrow for final release
[08:31] <MY123> lotuspsychje: are there base system images that I can unpack?
[08:31] <lotuspsychje> MY123: what are?
[08:32] <MY123> lotuspsychje: base system images means the output of debootstrap for me
[08:32] <MY123> by the way, chroot isn't implemented yet in WSL
[08:33] <lotuspsychje> MY123: have no clue what your talking about now
[08:35] <MY123> lotuspsychje: Windows NT has multiple SubSystems, which are providing different syscall interfaces. There is the Win32 subsystem, and the Project Astoria subsystem(known as Windows SubSystem for Linux)
[08:35] <lotuspsychje> MY123: ok...
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> gshmu: new kernels is out
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> gshmu: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:20] <gshmu> 4.4.0-18 is not the last?
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic
[09:21] <ubottu> linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 4.4.0.18.19 (xenial), package size 2 kB, installed size 11 kB
[09:21] <lotuspsychje> gshmu: not anymore
[09:21] <lotuspsychje> lotuspsychje@R00TBOOK:~$ uname -a
[09:21] <lotuspsychje> Linux R00TBOOK 4.4.0-21-generic #37-Ubuntu SMP Mon Apr 18 18:33:37 UTC 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[09:22] <gshmu> lotuspsychje: How to setup not auto update kerner 3.13 but 4.4
[09:22] <gshmu> Ubuntu 14.04 LTS etc
[09:22] <lotuspsychje> gshmu: your on 14.04?
[09:23] <gshmu> yeah
[09:23] <gshmu> lotuspsychje: LTS just...
[09:23] <lotuspsychje> gshmu: 4.4 is for 16.04
[09:24] <gshmu> lotuspsychje: but I can update to it with synaptic
[09:24] <lotuspsychje> !mainline | gshmu
[09:24] <ubottu> gshmu: The kernel team supply continuous mainline kernel builds which can be useful for tracking down issues or testing recent changes in the Linux kernel. More information is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds
[09:24] <TJ-> !info linux-lts-xenial  trusty
[09:25] <ubottu> Package linux-lts-xenial does not exist in trusty
[09:25] <TJ-> ha, that stalled ubottu
[09:25] <TJ-> oh yes it does! http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/trusty/linux-lts-xenial
[09:26] <TJ-> grrr, router reboot!
[09:43] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[10:33] <utnubu_> lotuspsychje: Hey
[10:34] <lotuspsychje> utnubu_: are you up to date to latest kernel yet?
[10:34] <lotuspsychje> .21 ?
[10:34] <utnubu_> lotuspsychje: 4.4.0-21-generic
[10:34] <MY123> 3.4.0+
[10:34] <lotuspsychje> great
[10:35] <lotuspsychje> utnubu_: check for kernel panics, whoopsies, acpi repeatings, hd Io's, stuff like that
[10:36] <lotuspsychje> utnubu_: you can pastebing the whole syslog to me also if you like
[10:36] <lotuspsychje> ill have a look if you want
[10:38] <utnubu_> lotuspsychje: how can I paste?
[10:38] <lotuspsychje> !paste | utnubu_
[10:38] <ubottu> utnubu_: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[10:39] <utnubu_> lotuspsychje: do you have an email?
[10:39] <lotuspsychje> utnubu_: sorry dont share on irc
[10:39] <lotuspsychje> utnubu_: copy paste into the pastebin
[10:40] <utnubu_> lotuspsychje: it's a lot
[10:40] <utnubu_> lotuspsychje: will do
[10:40] <lotuspsychje> dont mind :p
[10:41] <utnubu_> lotuspsychje: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15944945/
[10:41] <lotuspsychje> tnx, give me a min :p
[10:41] <utnubu_> lotuspsychje: you are a star
[10:44] <solstice2> hi. I am seeing a fwupx64.efi in /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu. what is it ? I am suspicious about that file.
[10:46] <lotuspsychje> utnubu_: alot of gnome-software issues so it seems..
[10:47] <utnubu_> lotuspsychje: indeed
[10:47] <utnubu_> lotuspsychje: on HP revolve  812
[10:49] <lotuspsychje> utnubu_: but still not sure what causes the freeze
[10:50] <lotuspsychje> utnubu_: leave the tail open until you get one ok
[10:50] <utnubu_> lotuspsychje: same here mate, this issue is following me (:
[10:52] <lotuspsychje> utnubu_: what kind of graphics in that hp?
[10:52] <utnubu_> lotuspsychje: HD Graphics 5500
[10:54] <lotuspsychje> utnubu_: can you test 1080p videos on your pc, see if you can force it to freeze
[10:55] <utnubu_> lotuspsychje:doing so now
[10:55] <lotuspsychje> utnubu_: test few things out, like browsing the web, with many tabs open, stuff like that
[10:55] <utnubu_> lotuspsychje: going crazy, and when I need it to, it won't freez (:
[10:56] <lotuspsychje> haha
[10:57] <lotuspsychje> utnubu_: i also doubt its because of gnome-software, as you tested trusty also..
[10:58] <utnubu_> lotuspsychje: indeed and 15.10 as well, keeps haunting me, maybe Coz of "DropBox"? ? ? coz when started sync , it went a bit funny
[10:59] <lotuspsychje> utnubu_: hmm i doubt dropbox could make a system freeze..
[11:01] <utnubu_> lotuspsychje: well, mate I'm running things like crazy and it works great, as it should. will keep an eye out. thank you so much for the help and the time. Have a great day
[11:01] <lotuspsychje> utnubu_: cheers
[12:38] <M3mphiZ> Any word on what time 16.04 is going to be released?
[12:48] <MY123> M3mphiZ: tomorrow
[12:49] <k1l> M3mphiZ: late afternoon european time. when the servers are synced
[12:59] <M3mphiZ> k1l: im in CET+1 so like 6-8 pm you think?
[12:59] <M3mphiZ> k1l: which would be in like 3-5 hours?
[13:00] <k1l> 21st april
[13:01] <k1l> today its the 20th.
[13:01] <k1l> and i dont know when the servers are set up and synced so the release is announced. they do that "when its done" :)  last times it was late afternoon
[13:20] <solstice2> hi. previously, using the live cd I was able to mount open luks volume and make the installer use it as a partition. Now it does not seem to work. it refuses to let me select it. that's a regression or a bug or a feature ?
[13:20] <solstice2> I tried to do a USB install on a / and /home LUKS
[13:21] <solstice2> and couldn't do it
[13:21] <solstice2> only /home would have been luks
[13:24] <pikapika> hi, i installed ubuntu but it does not load, after restart I got  'Reboot and select proper Boot Device or Insert Boot Media in selected Boot device and press a key'. ubuntu is installed on my second hdd (/dev/sdb) and I set this drive to be primary boot device in uefi + uefi partition is exists. did someone encounter this?
[13:51] <pikapika> looks like boot-repair is broken, can't launch it: "ImportError: No module named gi"
[15:09] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic
[15:09] <ubottu> linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 4.4.0.18.19 (xenial), package size 2 kB, installed size 11 kB
[15:09] <lotuspsychje> Pici: can you sync ubottu plz, new xenial kernel out
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> lotuspsychje@R00TBOOK:~$ uname -a
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> Linux R00TBOOK 4.4.0-21-generic #37-Ubuntu SMP Mon Apr 18 18:33:37 UTC 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[15:11] <lotuspsychje> wb TJ-
[15:14] <TJ-> Not liking Unity! it's effectively locked up the system because it has got stuck in the Keyboard Shortcut setup waiting for a key to be pressed, and I can't do that (I was trying to find and activate the on-screen keyboard!)
[15:14] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: beta or daily?
[15:14] <Pici> !info linux-image-generic xenial | lotuspsychje
[15:14] <ubottu> lotuspsychje: linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 4.4.0.21.22 (xenial), package size 2 kB, installed size 11 kB
[15:14] <lotuspsychje> ty Pici :p
[15:15] <Pici> also changed it to run every 2 hours
[15:15] <lotuspsychje> great!
[15:15] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: daily... it's the whole design of the shortvut key capture, it puts the system into a captured input state, without a timeout in case the user cannot/does not press a key
[15:16] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: file new bug?
[15:16] <TJ-> I am (trying to) install to an Asus T300chi that has a Bluetooth keyboard, and it doesn't want to pair, so was trying to enable the on-screen keyboard
[15:16] <lotuspsychje> lightdm restart do any good?
[15:17] <TJ-> aha! press power button, suspends system... press again, wakes up not capturing input :)
[15:17] <TJ-> it might... if I could type anything!
[15:17] <lotuspsychje> heh
[15:18] <TJ-> right... in unity, where the heck do I find the on-screen /accessibility keyboard ?
[15:18] <TJ-> all I have is touch/stylus input right now
[15:19] <TJ-> if I can that, I can add a wifi connection and possibly even ssh server
[15:20] <TJ-> found it. "Settings > Universal Access"
[15:21] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: /usr/share/applications onboard
[15:22] <TJ-> bhah, no ssh server installed!
[15:22] <lotuspsychje> !info openssh-server
[15:22] <ubottu> openssh-server (source: openssh): secure shell (SSH) server, for secure access from remote machines. In component main, is optional. Version 1:7.2p2-4 (xenial), package size 371 kB, installed size 1053 kB
[15:22] <lotuspsychje> optional :p
[15:24] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: i wonder why onboard doesnt show in dash by default hmmm
[15:25] <TJ-> maybe because the plain 1604 images haven't yet been refined to expect a hybrid 'detachable' PC like this... we seem to have segmented the install images between 'tablet' and 'PC'
[15:25] <lotuspsychje> ah
[15:26] <TJ-> oh and now its trying to use IPv6 for apt but for some reason my ISP has just broken IPv6!
[15:26]  * TJ- goes back to bed
[15:26] <lotuspsychje> lol
[15:37] <TJ-> oh fooey... been sat at another PC trying to sort out the router... turned back to the T300 ... and its fetched and installed the packages... just not my day!
[15:38] <TJ-> OK... so SSH connects... but what password to use for the installer 'try' option? username is ubuntu I assume, but it doesn't accept that as the password, not 'password'
[15:39] <lotuspsychje> there should not be need a pass i think
[15:39] <TJ-> SSH requires it
[15:39] <TJ-> won't accept empty
[15:40] <lotuspsychje> hmm not sure on a live
[15:40] <TJ-> OK... set it using the on-screen keyboard with a terminal and "passwd" ... SSH now connected
[15:41] <TJ-> "ubuntu bluetoothd[1351]: Agent replied with an error: org.bluez.Error.Rejected, Rejected bluetoothd generated PIN code"
[15:42] <lotuspsychje> 0000
[15:42] <TJ-> yep, trying all the options it offers
[15:43] <TJ-> I'm not getting an on-screen prompt to type a PIN which it should do; I recall this was a bug introduced about 18 months ago
[15:47] <LocutusOfBorg> isitoutyet?
[15:47] <LocutusOfBorg> :)
[15:49] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: perhaps more joy when youl install unity8?
[15:49] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: that will be the trilling part of xenial, on x86 tablets
[15:52] <TJ-> looks like bug 1512468
[15:52] <ubottu> bug 1490347 in bluez (Ubuntu Wily) "duplicate for #1512468 [Regresision] 15:10 - Cannot pair with devices using PIN codes" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1490347
[15:52] <TJ-> LOL which is a dupe of the bug I originally posted about this :D
[15:52] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: you got blueman ?
[16:01] <TJ-> no; it won't help, this is a najor regression in the bluez code where they ripped out PIN in favour of pass-phrases
[16:01] <lotuspsychje> ouch
[16:01] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: sounds like many bugs to solve and yet to come...
[16:01] <TJ-> indeed. another example of devs more interested in tickling their own itch to refactor code wholesale without any attention paid to regressions
[16:02] <lotuspsychje> lol
[16:03] <zen-guy> :D
[16:05] <TJ-> There's another related bug in the kernel bluetooth code too, where it no longer works with some BT host adapters at all... my collection of regressions since 14.04 must be worth something on eBay by now
[16:09] <TJ-> haha! got it, hallejulah!
[16:10] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: what did the trick?
[16:18] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: see my new comment: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/1490347/comments/11
[16:18] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1490347 in bluez (Ubuntu Wily) "[Regresision] 15:10 - Cannot pair with devices using PIN codes" [High,Triaged]
[16:18] <lotuspsychje> lets c
[16:20] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: nicely
[16:20] <TJ-> I tell you what, trying to grab a window corner on a WQHD screen when the frame grab area is only 1 pixel is ludicriously terrible!
[16:21] <TJ-> It's a lovely little PC though; love the magnetic connection between screen and docking keyboard
[16:22] <lotuspsychje> lol
[16:23] <TJ-> and a pro-tip in case we start getting people trying to install on these kind of devices, and can't get past the GRUB (UEFI mode) boot menu where it sits showing the menu but obviously has no keyboard input at that point
[16:24] <TJ-> On this T300chi at least, it has a hardware Windows 'Start menu' button. That acts as an Enter key for GRUB
[16:24] <lotuspsychje> right
[16:24] <TJ-> It also does the 'Android' thing, Power+Volume-Down to get to the firmware Setup screen
[16:25] <TJ-> disable Secure boot and an external USB bootable image will appear on the boot menu
[16:25] <lotuspsychje> cool
[16:26] <TJ-> it might become my new default PC; has 8GB, good screen... although no expandability so not sure how I'd do my big-screen experience
[16:27] <lotuspsychje> xenial tabbie :p
[16:29] <TJ-> well all my systems are getting a central 1604 image upgrade this week, from raspis to servers, so thought I'd start with a new PC and work backwards :)
[16:29] <lotuspsychje> im running daily everywhre already
[16:29] <lotuspsychje> but had to file some bugs also..
[16:30] <TJ-> Question: with the GUI installer "Install Ubuntu alongside Windows Boot Manager" ... any ideas why the 'Encrypt new Ubuntu installation' and 'LVM' are disabled? maybe asked in another step?
[16:30] <popey> you can't full disk encrypt if there's already a partition on it
[16:30] <TJ-> right; I have been for messing about but not to rely on
[16:30] <popey> you can encrpyt your home folder, using ecryptfs, but not do full disk encryption
[16:31] <TJ-> popey: sure you can; if it is going to shrink Windows to install algonside, it can then encrypt + LVM the resulting free space partition
[16:31] <popey> i dont think the installer ever supported that
[16:31] <popey> maybe due to the number of partitions you already have?
[16:32] <popey> (you need an extra one when doing LUKS for /boot)
[16:32] <TJ-> popey: oh, you mean the installer? sorry, I meant whether its possible at all... which I've been doing since about 2006
[16:32] <TJ-> maybe it is offered once I've resized the Windows NTFS partition to make space :)
[16:32] <popey> ok then
[16:33] <TJ-> Hmmm, not used Windows in so long... should I leave the default Win 8.1 install onboard for now, and if so, does leaving it with just 16GB sound sensible (shan't ever use it, but may want to move the NTFS images off the SSD at some point and later restore them to resell the device)
[16:34] <TJ-> Nope! if I resize the partitions it jumps immediately to "part #5 ext4, part #6 swap" so I'll have to do it manually
[16:43] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-unveils-the-features-of-ubuntu-16-04-lts-ahead-of-the-april-21-launch-503213.shtml
[16:45] <TJ-> hmmm, the ubiquity installer has no 'quit' button, nor a Windows close/exit icon
[16:46] <lotuspsychje> yeah only go back?
[16:46] <lotuspsychje> or next
[16:46] <TJ-> have to do a context-menu on the launcher icon to get to 'Quit'
[16:47] <Someguy123> how stable are the 16.04 builds right now?
[16:47] <lotuspsychje> Someguy123: pretty solid
[16:47] <Someguy123> I'm setting up a new server (will not exactly be production for at least 2-3 more weeks)
[16:48] <lotuspsychje> Someguy123: your on 14.04?
[16:48] <Someguy123> lotuspsychje: my other VMs are, but I was about to spin up a new server for the next release of my service
[16:48] <Someguy123> considering 16.04 is beign released soon, I thought I should try and set that up rather than 14.04
[16:49] <lotuspsychje> Someguy123: its recommended to wait until 16.04.1 for upgrade
[16:49] <Someguy123> lotuspsychje: yeah i'm not upgrading them
[16:49] <lotuspsychje> Someguy123: but if you cant wait, you can clean install sure
[16:49] <Someguy123> I'm installing it onto a new VM
[16:49] <Someguy123> hm, I only see xenial-desktop ISOs
[16:49] <lotuspsychje> Someguy123: running xenial on all machines here, rockstable and fast
[16:49] <TJ-> Someguy123: makes sense, gives you time to shake out any bugs you find
[16:50] <TJ-> Someguy123: most things will be gotchyas because so many (config) options have changed since 14.04 in many system services, plus of course getting used to working with systemd
[16:50] <Someguy123> TJ-: oh blargh, I forgot they changed to systemd
[16:51] <Someguy123> I was quite happy with upstart, things were just so easy to do
[16:51] <lotuspsychje> !systemd
[16:51] <ubottu> systemd is the default init system for Ubuntu 15.04 onwards. For information on transitioning from upstart to systemd, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemdForUpstartUsers
[16:51] <TJ-> Someguy123: its fine, much more predictable that upstart
[16:51] <lotuspsychje> fast aswell
[16:51] <TJ-> Someguy123: just read the man-pages for systemctl and journalctl and thats about all you'll ever need
[16:56] <kepa> it's better to not touch the default fstab.conf if you have a ssd?  (only "errors=remount-ro")
[16:57] <lotuspsychje> kepa: you can tweak stuff there
[16:57] <Someguy123> TJ-: lotuspsychje any idea why there's no server images?
[16:57] <lotuspsychje> kepa: relatime and tmpfs dirs at bottom
[16:57] <lotuspsychje> Someguy123: there are, but still in daily stage right
[16:58] <kepa> lotuspsychje: relatime is recommended? thanks
[16:58] <lotuspsychje> kepa: for desktop use yes
[16:59] <lotuspsychje> Someguy123: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/
[17:00] <kepa> systemd doesn't do  tmpfs by default?
[17:00] <kepa> is needed to put it in fstab?
[17:00] <lotuspsychje> hmm not sure on that
[17:01] <lotuspsychje> !info preload | kepa also recommended to install
[17:01] <ubottu> kepa also recommended to install: preload (source: preload): adaptive readahead daemon. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.4-2 (xenial), package size 34 kB, installed size 135 kB
[17:01] <lotuspsychje> kepa: and swappiness set to 10
[17:01] <kepa> ok, thanks guys
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[17:29] <Someguy123> guys, what is this automatic security update thing?
[17:29] <Someguy123> I swear this wasn't in earlier versions of ubuntu
[17:30] <k1l_> Someguy123: what exactly? the update-manager on the gui did run in the background and ask for security updates since some years now
[17:30] <Someguy123> k1l_: yes but I mean on the server
[17:30] <Someguy123> first time I've ever saw this on the server ISO
[17:31] <TJ-> Someguy123: "unattended-upgrades" ?
[17:31] <Someguy123> TJ-: possibly. it's in the installer
[17:31] <Someguy123> it's asking me if I want automatic security updates or not
[17:31] <Someguy123> is that even reliable?
[17:31] <TJ-> Someguy123: yes; it's going to configure unattended-upgrades for you, so you don't accidentally miss them
[17:32] <TJ-> Someguy123: well, it's worked for the last 10 years or so
[17:32] <Someguy123> so it won't suddenly decide to screw with my iptables configs or something stupid and lock me out of my server?
[17:32] <Someguy123> or randomly kill SSH
[17:32] <k1l_> Someguy123: well, do you want an unsecure ssh server running without those security pathces?
[17:33] <Someguy123> welp if you say it's worked for 10 years, then I'll trust it
[17:36] <TJ-> I'd always put ssh inside a VPN
[17:37] <Someguy123> TJ-: but then you've got the VPN to look out for :P
[17:38] <TJ-> Someguy123: right, but that requires pre-distributed certificates
[17:38] <TJ-> And uses UDP so is much harder to attack
[17:38] <Someguy123> TJ-: sure, but so does SSH with key-based only turned on
[17:39] <TJ-> Someguy123: probes for and brute-force attacks on SSH TCP are common-place. Inside a VPN they simply don't happen, and attempts to probe for (an openvpn UDP tun) using a TA certificate just leaves dropped/ignored packets from the attackers
[17:40] <nicomachus> so what's the official release time for xenial? 12 hours from now? less?
[17:40] <k1l_> late afternoon european time
[17:41] <Someguy123> k1l_: it is late afternoon right now :P
[17:41] <Someguy123> unless you mean tomorrow
[17:41] <k1l_> but the wrong date
[17:41] <nicomachus> so morning-ish my time, then. nice.
[17:41] <Someguy123> so roughly 24 hours I guess
[17:42] <k1l_> t-24h
[17:43] <TJ-> Someguy123: I think this sums up the TLS-auth openvpn option best:
[17:43] <TJ-> "One notable security improvement that OpenVPN provides over vanilla TLS is that it gives the user the opportunity to use a pre-shared passphrase (or static key) in conjunction with the --tls-auth directive to generate an HMAC key to authenticate the packets that are themselves part of the TLS handshake sequence. This protects against buffer overflows in the OpenSSL TLS implementation, because an attacker
[17:43] <TJ-> cannot even initiate a TLS handshake without being able to generate packets with the currect HMAC signature."
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[19:02] <pmp6nl> Anyone know the release time of 16.04? Thanks
[19:03] <flocculant> not even the people tasked with releasing know that
[19:08] <pmp6nl> ok
[19:11] <icey> what time is final release tomorrow?
[19:11] <icey> nevermind :)
[19:11] <icey> saw pmp6nl's message :)
[19:12] <pmp6nl> Hopefully soon, 14.04 is running terrible on two of my computers
[19:22] <flocculant> pmp6nl: soon?
[19:22] <flocculant> they're still going to do a rebuild for testing with
[19:23] <pmp6nl> Well what do they have, less than 28 hours depending on the time zone they use for April 21
[20:00] <uhrenklotz> HEAYYY
[20:00] <uhrenklotz> RELEASE PARTY!!!!!!!!!!
[20:00] <uhrenklotz> !isitout
[20:00] <ubottu> No, it's not out yet!
[20:00] <uhrenklotz> !lts
[20:00] <ubottu> LTS means Long Term Support. Until 12.04 LTS versions of Ubuntu were supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server; since 12.04 (Precise Pangolin) LTS versions will be supported for 5 years on the desktop and server. The latest LTS version of Ubuntu is !Trusty (Trusty Tahr 14.04)
[20:00] <uhrenklotz> !16.04
[20:00] <ubottu> Ubuntu 16.04 (Xenial Xerus) will be the 24th release of Ubuntu. It is due to be released on April 21st. Discussion in #ubuntu+1 Await the release in #ubuntu-release-party
[20:08] <k1l_> uhrenklotz: look at the date. then go to #ubuntu-release-party and wait for the announcement
[20:15] <satysin> is the candidate for final iso out yet?
[20:15] <satysin> is it 19th daily?
[20:21] <k1l_> !rc
[20:21] <ubottu> Ubuntu does not provide a distinct release candidate image. Instead during the week leading up to the release, each image is considered a release candidate. More details at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseCandidate
[20:36] <satysin> interesting
[20:37] <satysin> so how do they decide what is released tomorrow?
[20:37] <k1l_> they just roll the dice :)
[20:38] <satysin> :)
[20:40] <satysin> I guess it is just todays daily if it doesnt have any killer bugs?
[20:41] <k1l_> satysin: yes. the last one having no issues
[20:41] <k1l_> !final
[20:41] <ubottu> If you install a development version of Ubuntu Xenial and keep up with package updates, then you will be upgraded to the official release of 16.04 when it comes out. To make sure, type « sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade » in a terminal.
[21:08] <m451> hi guys. any information on time + timezone when 16.04 will be released?
[21:08] <k1l_> <k1l_> late afternoon european time
[21:09]  * m451 buildsuptentinfrontofcanonicalstore
[21:09] <m451> mkay, thx
[21:26] <ChunkzZ1> hi. is 16.04 being released at midnight or some-time tomorrow?
[21:27] <ChunkzZ1> it's 22:26 right now on the 20th
[21:27] <k1l_> <k1l_> late afternoon european time
[21:27] <ChunkzZ1> thanks. I can sleep then. :p
[21:27] <k1l_> yep
[22:26] <graingert> is it out yet?
[22:27] <torpet_> is it out yet?
[22:33] <teward> !isitout | graingert
[22:33] <ubottu> graingert: No, it's not out yet!
[22:34] <graingert> how do I get banned from the downloads, including torrents?
[22:34] <graingert> I want to spam, and there's no fun in spamming if I don't get banned from the downloads including torrents.
[22:35] <k1l_> what?
[22:53] <Someguy123> ChunkzZ1: you could always install the current daily build
[22:53] <Someguy123> currently just sitting around because docker doesn't work on 16.04 yet
[22:53] <Someguy123> once it does I can actually deploy my application :P