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hikikoHi04:16
andyrockmorning all04:58
pittiGood morning06:21
willcookemorning all07:52
willcookeso yeah: https://bugs.launchpad.net/oem-priority/+bug/156415607:56
ubot5`Launchpad bug 1564156 in System76 "xenial: invalid opcode when using llvmpipe" [Critical,Triaged]07:56
willcookelooks like an llvm issue07:56
willcookeaccording to what I read on the bug07:57
seb128good morning desktopers07:57
seb128could well be07:57
seb128tjaalton, ^ do you know about that?07:57
pittibonjour seb12807:58
seb128oh, tjaalton already commented07:58
happyaronmorning willcooke seb128 pitti07:58
willcookehey happyaron07:58
willcookemorning pitti07:58
pittihey willcooke07:58
seb128hey happyaron07:59
seb128salut pitti07:59
* happyaron struggling with gcc-5 again08:02
seb128what's the issue?08:03
happyaronthat sogoupinyin again, the library they provided to us needs porting08:03
happyaronsomething they need to run on RHEL 4.x or higher08:04
willcookeanyone seeing black corners again?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+bug/150835708:06
ubot5`Launchpad bug 1508357 in gtk+3.0 (Ubuntu Wily) "Tooltips have a black squares outside of its rounded corners" [Medium,Fix committed]08:06
willcookeTrevinho, seb128 ^08:06
* willcooke upgrades some machines08:06
seb128willcooke, I don't, but those don't state their desktop env08:06
seb128that could be an issue on !Unity08:07
seb128like xfce or such08:07
willcookeI'm gonna assume unity08:07
willcookebut yeah, good point08:07
willcookeI'll see if I can re-create08:07
seb128can't see it then and I would be surprised08:07
seb128but please check08:07
seb128seems to work fine on my machines08:07
willcookecool08:07
willcookelemme check08:07
willcookeLaney, larsu - did you guys have any thoughts on the terminal tab issues and linked branch:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-themes/+bug/76234908:09
ubot5`Launchpad bug 762349 in ubuntu-themes (Ubuntu Xenial) "Difficult to distinguish which tab is selected" [High,In progress]08:09
seb128andyrock, Trevinho, thanks for https://code.launchpad.net/~azzar1/unity/properly-remove-software-launcher-icon/+merge/29234008:12
seb128one liner08:12
andyrockNp08:12
seb128andyrock, shame that you didn't notice the email when I assigned the bug to you would have been an easy fix to get in the release :-/08:12
seb128andyrock, do you filter assigned email? Just trying to figure out how to avoid this to happen again next time08:13
larsuwillcooke: I unfortunately don't have the time to test this right now (not even a xenial machine *ducks*),  but it looks good to me from a quick read08:14
willcookethanks larsu08:14
willcookeit's not really pretty, but it does the job08:15
larsuwillcooke: someone will read this in 5 years and grudgingly remove the "should be fixed by 3.20" lines :P08:15
willcooke:D08:15
larsugood work!08:15
Laneyhiya08:16
* larsu waves to Laney08:16
seb128willcooke, let's discuss landing that tomorrow in London, I doubt release team wants to spend energy today on theming, they are dealing with oem mode issues and we still have the menus to fix and the llvm thing08:16
seb128oh, hey Laney!08:16
Laneywillcooke: no, not yet, probably stable update I'm afraid08:17
Laneyhey larsu and seb12808:17
willcookeLaney, no worries08:17
andyrockSeb128 i do08:18
seb128andyrock, so it's a one off I guess, let's rediscuss if we get the issue again :-)08:20
seb128happyaron, can you do https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+source/gnome-software/+pots/gnome-software/zh_CN/61/+translate ?08:20
happyaronsure08:20
seb128thanks08:21
happyarondone08:22
willcookeha!08:22
seb128happyaron, thanks08:27
seb128willcooke, oh? got the bug?08:27
willcookeseb128, oh, no ignore me08:28
seb128lol08:28
willcookejust in general08:28
* seb128 adds willcooke spam filters08:29
willcooke:)08:29
seb128:-)08:29
* willcooke smashes his head in to the trackpad on his test laptop08:29
willcookethis stupid thing is getting worse08:29
willcookeit used to go for a few hours without breaking, now it's minutes08:29
davmor2willcooke: well it will if you keep smashing your head against it08:29
seb128get an external mouse or pad08:29
willcookeyeah08:30
seb128mine is mostly working on the inspiron08:32
seb128though it has a tendency to jump to far left and 30% height08:32
dufluwillcooke: U8 or U7?08:32
dufluOther?08:32
seb128U708:32
willcookeduflu, it's a hardware thing08:32
willcooketotally unrelated to me taking it apart, mind08:32
seb128like I use it and when I try to click it goes to the launcher and click my nautilus icon (which happens to be in this spot)08:33
dufluX230? :)08:33
davmor2willcooke: yeah, yeah, we'll believe billions wouldn't08:33
willcooke:D08:33
willcookeduflu, it's a Dell Inspiron08:34
dufluWhich is code for a piece of plastic with indeterminate contents08:34
dufluSometimes good, sometimes bad08:34
davmor2willcooke: I'd say buy a new trackpad and replace it but by the sound of it you taking it apart broke it, so that wouldn't help, oh wait no we were believing you right ;)08:35
willcooke:)08:35
tjaaltonseb128: the llvm issue is misdetecting skylake features, 3.9 fixes that and now "something" needs to be backported..08:35
seb128"fun"08:35
seb128willcooke, ^08:36
tjaaltonyeah it's not just a cherry-pick08:36
seb128:-/08:36
tjaaltontrying to figure out a minimal set of stuff08:36
seb128did much change between our version and 3.9?08:36
tjaalton3.9 isn't released yet08:36
tjaaltonand yes08:36
seb128didrocks, salut, si t'as 30s, tu traduirais comment "Ubuntu Software" ... "Logiciels d'Ubuntu"?08:40
seb128didrocks, GNOME translated "GNOME Software" as "Logiciels de GNOME" for reference08:40
dufluOn the topic of Dell Inspirons, if anyone has a spare Pineview system (Intel N450 etc) then please let us know in #ubuntu-mir08:44
seb128what generation of hardware is that?08:47
seb128I don't think I've one of those bug asking in case08:47
dufluseb128: ~January 201008:47
seb128was that the dell mini 10?08:47
dufluseb128: Yes, white and black08:47
dufluIIRC08:48
seb128some of us had one of those08:48
seb128I can get access to mine but not this week08:48
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dufluseb128: OK, I'll keep it in mind, thanks.08:49
seb128yw08:49
* duflu bought one in 201008:49
* duflu also returned one in 201008:49
didrocksseb128: salut! Hum, I would say "Logiciels d'Ubuntu" or "Logiciels sous Ubuntu" (I don't like any of those)09:03
seb128didrocks, yeah, I don't like it either...09:03
seb128I think I'm going to go with the first one just to be consistent with the GNOME translation09:03
didrocksyeah09:04
didrockshum09:04
didrocksor maybe remove the "d'"09:04
didrocks"Logiciels Ubuntu" makes sense as well, it's softwares that are part of the repo09:04
seb128Logiciels Ubuntu?09:04
didrocksyeah, it's plural, so it's not the Ubuntu sofware itself09:05
didrocksit's softwares that are part of Ubuntu09:05
didrocks(to my mind)09:06
didrocksthoughts?09:06
seb128right, it's the softwares that are part of Ubuntu09:08
seb128I wonder if we should just do a different translation09:08
seb128like "Logithèque Ubuntu"09:08
didrocksI always secretly hated the term Logithèque :)09:09
seb128haha09:09
didrocksbut it's better than "Logiciels d'Ubuntu"09:09
seb128no good option!09:09
didrocksyeah ;)09:09
didrocksso either Logithèque or Logiciels Ubuntu IMHO09:09
seb128"logiciels pas cher" :p09:10
didrocksrohhhh ;)09:10
seb128;-)09:10
seb128didrocks, merci pour les suggestions09:10
didrocksseb128: de rien, bon courage ! :)09:11
seb128'ci09:11
darkxsthey didrocks seb12809:16
seb128hey darkxst09:17
* pitti aime le mot "logithèque"09:17
seb128thanks for fixing grilo-plugins!09:17
seb128pitti, :-)09:17
darkxstseb128, np, we can look at getting the lua into -base next cycle09:17
didrockshey darkxst!09:18
seb128right09:18
larsuseb128, didrocks: hi! How is “Ubuntu Software Center” translated into French?09:18
larsucould just keep that…09:18
didrocksit's "Ubuntu Software Center" :)09:18
didrocksI'm pretty sure it used to be Logithèque Ubuntu at some point09:18
didrocksmaybe it's the move to universe which makes it untranslated for now09:19
larsuhaha très bien09:19
seb128right, I'm looking at fixing that now09:19
seb128larsu, logithèque is a "software center"09:19
seb128but GNOME Software is software not software center09:19
* larsu likes French09:19
seb128stupid naming if you ask me :-/09:19
larsuright09:19
pittiyeah, gedit and gtk is gnome software too, no? :-)09:20
larsuseb128: yeah... it's consitent with “Files” and “Notes” and such09:20
seb128is Software having a plural?09:20
larsuhey pitti! ça va?09:20
seb128which isn't it "Softwares"?09:20
larsunope09:21
seb128no plural?09:21
pittiseb128: not in English09:21
seb1281 software, 2 software?09:21
larsuyes. It's one of those words like sheep09:21
pittilarsu: geht super, danke! und bei Dir, was macht der rote HUt?09:21
seb128k09:21
* larsu forgets the correct term09:21
larsupitti: immer noch nicht angekommen!09:21
larsupitti: aber macht viel Spaß soweit :)09:22
pittiseb128: it's uncountable, like water or advice09:22
seb128doesn't make sense to me09:22
seb128I can count gedit + file-roller09:22
seb128that's 2 :p09:22
pitti2 projects, or 2 pieces of software09:23
seb128oh well, languages... ;-)09:23
pittilike two bottles of water09:23
seb128in french those are countable09:23
seb1282 logiciels09:23
pittiat least Germans often say "advices" (and I think I saw you use that too)09:23
pittithat's not a thing either09:23
seb128but yeah, no point arguing, it's that way just need to remember it09:23
seb128right, we do that too09:23
pittiles languages sont tous très étrange :)09:24
pittiles langues, désolé09:24
seb128en effet09:24
seb128pitti, larsu, btw Software is not translated in german?09:24
seb128the german translated translated the title "Ubuntu Software"09:24
seb128e.g same as english09:24
seb128german translators*09:25
pittieveryone says "software" here, yes09:25
seb128k09:25
pittiseb128: ce matin, J'ai fait une installation par français :)09:26
seb128tu as compris toutes les instructions ? ;-)09:26
larsuyep, just "Die Software"09:26
larsualso not countable09:26
pittinon, je n'avais comprendre rien, donc il était vrai français :)09:27
pitti(just kidding)09:27
seb128hehe09:28
pitti"il était" → "c'était", non09:28
pittiet comprendre → compris09:28
seb128oui09:30
seb128"je n'avais rien compris, donc c'était du vrai (or "vraiment du") français"09:32
pittiseb128: merci09:34
seb128de rien!09:34
willcookeNooooooooooooo10:04
willcookewhy didn't I see this sooner10:04
willcookesuper-tab is great10:04
Laneyattente: could you file / find some bugs for important (to be fixed in sru) known issues in gnome-software and then list them under https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes#Known_issues please?10:05
Laneyothers in general can do that too for their stuff10:06
willcookedesktoppers ^10:07
hikikoTrevinho, when you have some time (probably after the release) could you get a look at the shadows review? :) (tx, just reminding I know you are busy atm)10:11
attenteLaney: ok. i was also looking at the way the apt plugin was reloading the db yesterday. i think it's failing here: https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-software/tree/src/plugins/gs-plugin-apt.cc?h=wip/iainl/ubuntu-xenial#n38210:20
attentewhich is causing the plugin to refresh with no apps10:21
Laney'k10:23
attenteLaney: but i'm not sure what's going on there. i think fixing this would prevent the problem of gnome software wiping away all of the apps10:26
LaneyProbably talk to the apt people10:27
Laneydoes updates_changed make add_upates get called?10:28
attenteindirectly by refreshing the various shells10:29
Laneymaybe a mitigation is to not unload until the new one has succeeded10:31
Laneyor make loading happen in-place10:31
Trevinhowillcooke: mh I guess I should add the menu issue there...10:57
willcookeTrevinho, yes pls.10:57
Trevinhoand the restart unity-panel-service workaround10:57
Trevinhohikiko: yes, I was working on that. Not only on the review (which I did directly on code).10:57
Trevinhohikiko: we'll SRU it10:58
willcookeI should update it and remove the HUD hotkey while it's still pending a decision10:58
LaneyOnly bugs that someone's quite likely to experience, no need to add every thing there10:59
Laney(not saying if these things are such bugs)10:59
willcookeack, thanks Laney10:59
willcookeI've commented out the HUD changes for now10:59
hikikoTrevinho, what do you mean directly on code?11:00
Trevinhohikiko: that I've fixed some things and improved others in a branch11:01
Trevinhohikiko: which.. I've here stacked11:01
hikikois there a bug you fixed?11:03
hikikoI've tested it and it looked ok :s11:03
hikikoI've even tested the edge case of the shaped blob (that changes the window shape in real time)11:04
hikikoand looked fine11:04
* Sweet5hark1 read the backlog and now know 50% more french again.11:16
attenteLaney: ok. i think i figured out a half-fix11:16
attenteLaney: the problem seems to be that libapt's _error stores some errors from the initial run. this causes subsequent runs to fail even though they haven't really11:16
attenteseb128, Laney: also want to know your opinions on changing the Updates to do an unsafe apt upgrade instead of a safe11:18
attentelinux packages don't seem to be upgraded on safe upgrade11:22
Laneyattente: do you know how to clear the state?11:38
Laneyannnnnnnnnd uuuuuummmmmmmmm11:38
attenteLaney: yeah, it seems to be ok now11:38
Laneyok nice11:38
attentebut yeah. unsafe apt upgrade? because otherwise the updates stay on the list even after trying to install them :/11:39
Laneyyou do a full upgrade instead of upgrading each GsApp?11:41
attenteonly for the system upgrades item11:41
attenteor for the update all button11:41
Laneyprobably fine11:42
Laneycheck what update-manager does?11:42
attenteLaney: it's hard to tell from looking at the code, but my hunch is that it does an unsafe one itself where it only ever adds and tries to avoid removing. there's this function saveDistUpgrade11:49
attenteLaney: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/wily/update-manager/wily/view/head:/UpdateManager/Core/MyCache.py#L15611:51
Laneyattente: looks like it works it out itself11:55
desrtgood morning peeps11:57
attentehey desrt11:58
desrtattente: did you sleep? :)11:58
attentedesrt: eh. not really my thing12:02
Laneyattente: you working on anything more?12:18
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LaneyI could try to slide this in12:18
attenteLaney: i just uploaded to my ppa12:18
attentei think that's going to be it12:18
Laneyok12:18
Laneylink?12:18
Laneyyou should talk to hughsie about that flag12:19
attenteLaney: https://launchpad.net/~attente/+archive/ubuntu/gnome-software12:19
Laneythx12:19
attenteyeah, i will12:19
attenteLaney: let me just test a few things12:20
attenteLaney: before you take that12:20
seb128Laney, you try to get that update still in release?12:23
Laneyyes12:23
attenteLaney: whoops. i forgot to mention the QUIRK_NON_REVIEWABLE in the changelog12:23
attenteLaney: let me do a quick fix for that12:23
Laneynoh well[B[Bnever mind12:24
Laneydawhfroaihfa12:24
Laneystupid wifi12:24
Laneyattente: I already copied it to the xenial queue12:24
Laneyjust add it for the next one12:24
attenteLaney: oh. ok12:24
seb128Laney, can you add that to rules? http://paste.ubuntu.com/15946787/12:24
seb128oh, you already did an upload12:25
seb128so guess for the next one12:25
Laneywow12:27
Laneyis this because no langpack export with that string?12:28
Laneyattente: got a bzr branch with that upload?12:28
attenteLaney: i'll push it12:28
Laneymmmmmmmmmmerci12:29
Laneythen go file some bugs and release note them please12:29
seb128Laney, right, just injecting some translations in the .desktop after it's stripped so we have those on the iso12:29
Laneyso it looks like we know about the problems12:29
seb128easier than patching langpacks12:29
seb128I didn't bother doing de/it/pt because those use "Ubuntu Software" as translations12:30
seb128we didn't get one for "ru" yet though12:30
seb128which is why I was delaying a bit, but es/fr/zh_CN are probably a good set in additions to the previously mentioned ones12:30
attenteok. i feel a bit better with this upload now that that apt db reload works12:42
seb128yeah, good job!12:43
attentecan't seem to log into wiki.ubuntu.com...13:02
attenteoh. nvm, it did work13:02
attentebut i don't have permissions to edit i guess...13:04
attentewillcooke: you're able to edit the release notes, right? who did you talk to to get access?13:04
willcookeattente, dunno13:05
seb128Laney, ^ is the wiki restricted?13:08
willcookeattente, sorry - in a meeting13:08
seb128willcooke, thanks for confirming the tooltip bug thing13:08
willcookeattente, if you want me to edit it let me know13:08
willcookeseb128, nw13:08
seb128willcooke, the SdoC is in 1h right?13:08
* seb128 has a doubt13:08
willcookeseb128, yeah - although I don't know if it will happen13:09
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seb128k13:09
willcookelike, I don't know if we've got things to say13:09
seb128just checking that I'm not late (again)13:09
willcooke:)13:09
seb128well, there are probably going to be questions about whether the 500 error thing is resolved13:09
seb128and if snaps persist after reboot13:09
willcookeyeah, fair13:10
attenteyeah. i guess i should test that out now with the new snapd13:10
Laneyattente: I think you need to be in some team13:11
Laneyattente: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-etherpad that one13:11
attentehmm... still immutable13:14
seb128Laney, just curious but what is the grilo landing about?13:14
seb128seems late for a version upgrade and there is no even a bug reference13:14
LaneyThere was a sponsorship request for it and it contained bugfixes and syncs don't usually have Launchpad bug references13:17
seb128k13:19
seb128Laney, attente, so, if I do an upload for g-s/translations, should I include other fixes? or just go for that and we can maybe do yet another one with fixes after if needed?13:19
attentedo we even have time for more fixes?13:20
seb128well I guess it depends of how big the change is and how important the fix is and if we respin13:21
seb128we can get bugfixes uploads in13:21
attenteit might be good to have a rollback version anyways in case new fixes cause newer bugs13:21
LaneyImage builds are going to happen momentarily, but you can put things in the queue13:21
seb128attente, if there are proper bug references the update can be turned into a 0day SRU13:22
seb128so it's not wasted13:22
attenteok13:23
attentepopey: thanks!13:24
popeynp13:24
seb128popey, what did you do? ;-)13:25
attentepopey: how long does it take before i can start editing usually?13:25
seb128oh, and hey!13:25
seb128oh, wiki edit13:25
LaneyBy the way, something needs to be done about the update notification from gnome-software13:26
LaneyAfter you read the text you have no idea where to go13:27
Laneyand it seems to show up more often than it might?13:27
seb128it seems to show everytime the apt status change13:28
seb128like I had a stack of updates, install one, it notifies13:29
seb128I wonder if we should just turn off that notification13:29
LaneyNeed it for firmware and/or snappy13:29
seb128well, as you say the notification doesn't help you much13:29
seb128my reflex as an old ubuntu user would be start update-manager13:30
LaneyThat doesn't mean that turning it off is the correct solution13:30
seb128we autospawn update-manager13:30
seb128I would say we should be consistent and autostart g-s when there is a snap of firmware update13:30
LaneyDon't know13:30
LaneyI'm not trying to design a solution right now13:31
LaneyJust raising it as something to think about13:31
seb128yeah13:31
seb128+113:31
seb128we need to fix it in a SRU anyway13:31
seb128going to have a stack of those for .1 in any case13:31
* seb128 noticed that nautilus' bookmark menu is/stays empty13:32
seb128as does gedit recently used13:32
* seb128 wonders if that's an appmenu issue13:32
seb128Trevinho, hey!13:32
Trevinhoseb128: hey13:33
seb128Trevinho, do you have any idea about ^13:33
Trevinhoseb128: not sure it can be app menu there13:33
Trevinhoseb128: are those menu items in the quicklist, or you mean the app ones?13:34
seb128Trevinho, the appmenu13:37
Trevinhoseb128: they work without ups, right?13:40
seb128Trevinho, I'm trying to figure that out, how do I turn off appmenu nowadays :p13:41
seb128Trevinho, anyway, I don't want to distract you from the missing menu bug, is that getting anywhere? what did you try since yesterday? did you comment on the bug asking for more details?13:48
Trevinhoseb128: no, I didn't write yet. I've been doing some experiments with bamf and libappmenu, but still I can't get anywhere13:50
Trevinhoseb128: I should probably generate a binary of ups with some debug statements and get to try it13:50
seb128Trevinho, yes please13:50
seb128Trevinho, seems like it's not an appmenu issue, same with local menus, unping ;-)13:58
Trevinhoseb128: ah, ok... Your stuff then :)14:02
willcookeseb128, attente - quick stand up:  https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/sdoc?authuser=014:02
seb128willcooke, I'm there14:03
jcastronone of the snappy packages I've installed show up in my dash, they have .desktop files but I am unsure if unity is aware of their existance14:20
seb128jcastro, do they have one in /Var/lib/snapd/desktop?14:21
seb128V->v14:22
LaneyVvVvVvVvVvVvVvVvV14:22
jcastroseb128: yep14:26
seb128jcastro, weird, unity should list it then14:26
seb128did you restart your session since the snappy->snapd thing?14:26
seb128the env is set at login and changed14:26
seb128is /var/lib/snapd/desktop in your XDG_DATA_DIRS?14:27
jcastroah, I restarted unity but didn't log out and back in, checking now14:27
seb128that's session by an Xsession.d script14:27
seb128so only at login14:27
seb128you might still have the old name then14:27
jcastroXDG_DATA_DIRS=/usr/share/ubuntu:/usr/share/gnome:/usr/local/share/:/usr/share/:/var/lib/snappy/desktop14:27
jcastroyep14:27
jcastroI do14:27
seb128there you go14:27
seb128try after a session restart14:27
jcastroack, thanks.14:27
seb128yw!14:27
jcastroand that works, thanks.14:28
seb128yw!14:28
seb128:-)14:28
popeyoooh, that helps me too, thanks seb12814:32
seb128popey, yw14:32
willcookeTrevinho, desrt - did you guys get anywhere with the missing menus?14:34
Trevinhowillcooke: no, all that I can do is request more debugging bits14:35
seb128please do...14:35
seb128you already said, but meanwhile we are sitting blocked :-/14:36
seb128we have kamstrump on the bug we could email him asking he can join IRC and help debugging maybe14:36
seb128Trevinho, want me to email him?14:37
willcookeseb128, please do14:38
seb128willcooke, k14:39
willcookeI've pinged him on Hangouts as well14:39
willcookebut don't know if he reads that14:39
seb128oh ok14:39
willcookeemail anyways14:39
seb128yeah14:39
willcookemight be better14:39
attentewillcooke: can you update the xenial release notes under Desktop (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes) with this: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/357820/14:41
Trevinhoseb128: I'm preparing together with other stuff14:41
attentei can't seem to edit it still14:42
willcookeattente, on it14:42
seb128Trevinho, willcooke, email sent14:43
attentewillcooke: thanks!14:43
seb128attente found a pastebin which let you copy without having to u2f log in :p14:43
attenteseb128: haha14:43
Trevinhoseb128: thanks, there are other tech guys also having that, but I've not direct contact with them14:43
seb128Trevinho, launchpad has this "contact user" feature :p14:43
seb128attente, willcooke, Laney, we should probably write something about the fact that g-s doesn't use package descriptions nor their translations14:45
willcookeattente, done14:46
willcookedo we have a bug number for that?  I can't find one14:47
seb128willcooke, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/155933814:48
ubot5`Launchpad bug 1559338 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "Doesn't seem to use deb package descriptions?" [High,Invalid]14:48
seb128it's invalid there because it's a server side/indexer issue afaik14:48
attenteok. is there anything we can do for an sru on the client side?14:48
attente*need to do14:49
seb128not afaik14:49
seb128needs to be fixed on the server14:49
seb128the good news it means fixing is also going to make the release iso work14:49
attentethat is nice. i don't really understand why that info doesn't come from libapt though14:49
seb128yeah, me neither14:50
seb128there are probably good reasons14:50
seb128I just don't understand the architecture enough to know them14:50
attenteit's ok seb128. me neither :P14:51
seb128:-)14:51
willcookeseb128, attente  - added that one14:58
seb128willcooke, thanks14:58
willcookeTrevinho, I just can't make this thing break - I've reboot like 50 times now15:34
seb128yeah, me neither15:35
seb128I think it's a timing issue so if your machine doesn't get it it realiably doesn't15:36
seb128like could need a slow hdd15:36
ximionattente: for the "where does the long description come from" issue: GNOME Software will ignore anything w/o long description, therefore we must put it into the AppStream metadata - previously, GS did read package descriptions, but it doesn't do that anymore15:47
ximionas a consequence of this change, GS doesn't know anymore whether the description is from the package manager or AppStream itself, so it can't simply override them15:47
ximionand that's why things are this way ;-)15:47
ximionother distribution's package descriptions being bad and/or untranslated plays a major role here ;-)15:48
attenteximion: could we provide multiple descriptions and just use the highest quality one?15:48
ximionattente: that would require an architectural change in GS *and* appstream-glib15:50
* ximion doesn't think it's worth it, better work on getting more stuff to ship metainfo files15:51
seb128we have some thousands packages with a verbose/useful description15:51
seb128and translators spent years of work translating those15:51
ximionmaking the metadata generator read more translations is also the easier fix15:51
LaneyIt's supposed to use descriptions if there's no AppStream one, this is simplly a bug if it's not15:52
LaneyIncluding translated ones15:52
LaneyNo need to use emotional pressure15:52
seb128I didn't understand the conversation then15:52
LaneyMe neither.15:52
ximionLaney: no, it isn't - it's a deliberate design decision by hughsie to ignore stuff w/o metainfo files in new releases of GS (was even announced on his blogpost)15:52
LaneyNo.15:52
ximionthe way he detects this is by stuff having a long description or not15:52
Laney*you* added the code to use descriptions to the generator15:53
ximionLaney: yes, to work around that limitation in GS - we had a brief chat about this, and he wanted things that way15:53
ximionand I didn't disagree15:53
LaneyDon't know what you're talking about then15:54
LaneyWe do use package descriptions15:54
ximionon the generator side, yes15:54
ximionwhich should be fine, but apparently it isn't working properly (?)15:55
LaneyNot with translations it seems15:55
ximionoh, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1559338 is realtively old...15:55
ubot5`Launchpad bug 1559338 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "Doesn't seem to use deb package descriptions?" [High,Invalid]15:55
ximionthat stuff is at least fixed here15:56
LaneyIt definitely does miss some translations15:56
LaneyCan't imagine it is hard to fix15:56
seb128Laney, it's not only translations15:57
seb128e.G xchat-gnome has no description in g-s and has one in s-c15:59
seb128or vlc15:59
seb128just taking random examples16:00
ximionindeed, long descriptions are missing: http://appstream.ubuntu.com/xenial/universe/metainfo/vlc.html16:01
seb128well in any case if that's a bug it's ok, we have it on the release notes and it can be worked on after release16:02
attenteximion: it's not really clear to me why that would require an architectural change to appstream-glib. wouldn't we just need to override the description with a higher quality setting when refining it via the apt plugin?16:02
attenteor is the appstream metadata already the highest quality setting?16:03
ximionattente: uhh, I have no idea how that is implemented in GS, actually - but since the AppStream plugin will run first and set a highest-quality description, we'd need to drop the descriptions from AppSteeam metadata (which are from packages), and also stop stuff from being ignored, and we would need to carry a quality rating for descriptions, which AFAIR doesn't exist yet16:05
ximionAppStream descriptions always have the highest quality rating16:05
ximionseb128: this is definitely not intended16:05
ximionmy guess is that VLC is a cached app and just needs to be reprocessed16:06
ximion(to get descriptions set)16:06
seb128k, time for some exercice, bbl16:40
willcookeex er size?  What is this?  Sounds dangerous16:41
* willcooke remembers the days of lunch hours 16:42
willcookemaybe I will pop out for a bit after dinner16:42
willcookethat sounds like a good idea16:42
=== dpm is now known as dpm-mostly-afk
* TheMuso tries to exercise every morning of the working week at least.20:55
TheMusoI find it makes a difference mentally with getting things done.20:56
davmor2willcooke: Lunch Hourssss oh yeah that's them things you had in school for food right?20:56
willcooke:D21:05
davmor2willcooke: I drove a Lorry before this I have no concept of a lunch hour, 30 minutes fries my head :D21:06
willcookeWhen I used to work for BHS mending POS equipment lunch was a Big Mac while driving down the motorway.  My van was literally knee deep in rubbish21:19
willcookeeeeee, but they were 'appier times21:20
TheMusolol21:20
willcookeright, bed time21:20
willcookeLondon tomorrow21:20
willcookeg'night21:20
willcookesee ya next week TheMuso21:20
willcooke\o/21:21
TheMusoWill do. :)21:21
a1fahello, what is the command to reset unity config?22:39
a1fa15.10 to 16.04 and i am not able to log in to unity22:40
a1falooks like update didnt complete22:45
a1fare running it22:45

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