[04:16] <hikiko> Hi
[04:58] <andyrock> morning all
[06:21] <pitti> Good morning
[07:52] <willcooke> morning all
[07:56] <willcooke> so yeah: https://bugs.launchpad.net/oem-priority/+bug/1564156
[07:56] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1564156 in System76 "xenial: invalid opcode when using llvmpipe" [Critical,Triaged]
[07:56] <willcooke> looks like an llvm issue
[07:57] <willcooke> according to what I read on the bug
[07:57] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:57] <seb128> could well be
[07:57] <seb128> tjaalton, ^ do you know about that?
[07:58] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[07:58] <seb128> oh, tjaalton already commented
[07:58] <happyaron> morning willcooke seb128 pitti
[07:58] <willcooke> hey happyaron
[07:58] <willcooke> morning pitti
[07:58] <pitti> hey willcooke
[07:59] <seb128> hey happyaron
[07:59] <seb128> salut pitti
[08:02]  * happyaron struggling with gcc-5 again
[08:03] <seb128> what's the issue?
[08:03] <happyaron> that sogoupinyin again, the library they provided to us needs porting
[08:04] <happyaron> something they need to run on RHEL 4.x or higher
[08:06] <willcooke> anyone seeing black corners again?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+bug/1508357
[08:06] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1508357 in gtk+3.0 (Ubuntu Wily) "Tooltips have a black squares outside of its rounded corners" [Medium,Fix committed]
[08:06] <willcooke> Trevinho, seb128 ^
[08:06]  * willcooke upgrades some machines
[08:06] <seb128> willcooke, I don't, but those don't state their desktop env
[08:07] <seb128> that could be an issue on !Unity
[08:07] <seb128> like xfce or such
[08:07] <willcooke> I'm gonna assume unity
[08:07] <willcooke> but yeah, good point
[08:07] <willcooke> I'll see if I can re-create
[08:07] <seb128> can't see it then and I would be surprised
[08:07] <seb128> but please check
[08:07] <seb128> seems to work fine on my machines
[08:07] <willcooke> cool
[08:07] <willcooke> lemme check
[08:09] <willcooke> Laney, larsu - did you guys have any thoughts on the terminal tab issues and linked branch:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-themes/+bug/762349
[08:09] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 762349 in ubuntu-themes (Ubuntu Xenial) "Difficult to distinguish which tab is selected" [High,In progress]
[08:12] <seb128> andyrock, Trevinho, thanks for https://code.launchpad.net/~azzar1/unity/properly-remove-software-launcher-icon/+merge/292340
[08:12] <seb128> one liner
[08:12] <andyrock> Np
[08:12] <seb128> andyrock, shame that you didn't notice the email when I assigned the bug to you would have been an easy fix to get in the release :-/
[08:13] <seb128> andyrock, do you filter assigned email? Just trying to figure out how to avoid this to happen again next time
[08:14] <larsu> willcooke: I unfortunately don't have the time to test this right now (not even a xenial machine *ducks*),  but it looks good to me from a quick read
[08:14] <willcooke> thanks larsu
[08:15] <willcooke> it's not really pretty, but it does the job
[08:15] <larsu> willcooke: someone will read this in 5 years and grudgingly remove the "should be fixed by 3.20" lines :P
[08:15] <willcooke> :D
[08:15] <larsu> good work!
[08:16] <Laney> hiya
[08:16]  * larsu waves to Laney
[08:16] <seb128> willcooke, let's discuss landing that tomorrow in London, I doubt release team wants to spend energy today on theming, they are dealing with oem mode issues and we still have the menus to fix and the llvm thing
[08:16] <seb128> oh, hey Laney!
[08:17] <Laney> willcooke: no, not yet, probably stable update I'm afraid
[08:17] <Laney> hey larsu and seb128
[08:17] <willcooke> Laney, no worries
[08:18] <andyrock> Seb128 i do
[08:20] <seb128> andyrock, so it's a one off I guess, let's rediscuss if we get the issue again :-)
[08:20] <seb128> happyaron, can you do https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+source/gnome-software/+pots/gnome-software/zh_CN/61/+translate ?
[08:20] <happyaron> sure
[08:21] <seb128> thanks
[08:22] <happyaron> done
[08:22] <willcooke> ha!
[08:27] <seb128> happyaron, thanks
[08:27] <seb128> willcooke, oh? got the bug?
[08:28] <willcooke> seb128, oh, no ignore me
[08:28] <seb128> lol
[08:28] <willcooke> just in general
[08:29]  * seb128 adds willcooke spam filters
[08:29] <willcooke> :)
[08:29] <seb128> :-)
[08:29]  * willcooke smashes his head in to the trackpad on his test laptop
[08:29] <willcooke> this stupid thing is getting worse
[08:29] <willcooke> it used to go for a few hours without breaking, now it's minutes
[08:29] <davmor2> willcooke: well it will if you keep smashing your head against it
[08:29] <seb128> get an external mouse or pad
[08:30] <willcooke> yeah
[08:32] <seb128> mine is mostly working on the inspiron
[08:32] <seb128> though it has a tendency to jump to far left and 30% height
[08:32] <duflu> willcooke: U8 or U7?
[08:32] <duflu> Other?
[08:32] <seb128> U7
[08:32] <willcooke> duflu, it's a hardware thing
[08:32] <willcooke> totally unrelated to me taking it apart, mind
[08:33] <seb128> like I use it and when I try to click it goes to the launcher and click my nautilus icon (which happens to be in this spot)
[08:33] <duflu> X230? :)
[08:33] <davmor2> willcooke: yeah, yeah, we'll believe billions wouldn't
[08:33] <willcooke> :D
[08:34] <willcooke> duflu, it's a Dell Inspiron
[08:34] <duflu> Which is code for a piece of plastic with indeterminate contents
[08:34] <duflu> Sometimes good, sometimes bad
[08:35] <davmor2> willcooke: I'd say buy a new trackpad and replace it but by the sound of it you taking it apart broke it, so that wouldn't help, oh wait no we were believing you right ;)
[08:35] <willcooke> :)
[08:35] <tjaalton> seb128: the llvm issue is misdetecting skylake features, 3.9 fixes that and now "something" needs to be backported..
[08:35] <seb128> "fun"
[08:36] <seb128> willcooke, ^
[08:36] <tjaalton> yeah it's not just a cherry-pick
[08:36] <seb128> :-/
[08:36] <tjaalton> trying to figure out a minimal set of stuff
[08:36] <seb128> did much change between our version and 3.9?
[08:36] <tjaalton> 3.9 isn't released yet
[08:36] <tjaalton> and yes
[08:40] <seb128> didrocks, salut, si t'as 30s, tu traduirais comment "Ubuntu Software" ... "Logiciels d'Ubuntu"?
[08:40] <seb128> didrocks, GNOME translated "GNOME Software" as "Logiciels de GNOME" for reference
[08:44] <duflu> On the topic of Dell Inspirons, if anyone has a spare Pineview system (Intel N450 etc) then please let us know in #ubuntu-mir
[08:47] <seb128> what generation of hardware is that?
[08:47] <seb128> I don't think I've one of those bug asking in case
[08:47] <duflu> seb128: ~January 2010
[08:47] <seb128> was that the dell mini 10?
[08:47] <duflu> seb128: Yes, white and black
[08:48] <duflu> IIRC
[08:48] <seb128> some of us had one of those
[08:48] <seb128> I can get access to mine but not this week
[08:49] <duflu> seb128: OK, I'll keep it in mind, thanks.
[08:49] <seb128> yw
[08:49]  * duflu bought one in 2010
[08:49]  * duflu also returned one in 2010
[09:03] <didrocks> seb128: salut! Hum, I would say "Logiciels d'Ubuntu" or "Logiciels sous Ubuntu" (I don't like any of those)
[09:03] <seb128> didrocks, yeah, I don't like it either...
[09:03] <seb128> I think I'm going to go with the first one just to be consistent with the GNOME translation
[09:04] <didrocks> yeah
[09:04] <didrocks> hum
[09:04] <didrocks> or maybe remove the "d'"
[09:04] <didrocks> "Logiciels Ubuntu" makes sense as well, it's softwares that are part of the repo
[09:04] <seb128> Logiciels Ubuntu?
[09:05] <didrocks> yeah, it's plural, so it's not the Ubuntu sofware itself
[09:05] <didrocks> it's softwares that are part of Ubuntu
[09:06] <didrocks> (to my mind)
[09:06] <didrocks> thoughts?
[09:08] <seb128> right, it's the softwares that are part of Ubuntu
[09:08] <seb128> I wonder if we should just do a different translation
[09:08] <seb128> like "Logithèque Ubuntu"
[09:09] <didrocks> I always secretly hated the term Logithèque :)
[09:09] <seb128> haha
[09:09] <didrocks> but it's better than "Logiciels d'Ubuntu"
[09:09] <seb128> no good option!
[09:09] <didrocks> yeah ;)
[09:09] <didrocks> so either Logithèque or Logiciels Ubuntu IMHO
[09:10] <seb128> "logiciels pas cher" :p
[09:10] <didrocks> rohhhh ;)
[09:10] <seb128> ;-)
[09:10] <seb128> didrocks, merci pour les suggestions
[09:11] <didrocks> seb128: de rien, bon courage ! :)
[09:11] <seb128> 'ci
[09:16] <darkxst> hey didrocks seb128
[09:17] <seb128> hey darkxst
[09:17]  * pitti aime le mot "logithèque"
[09:17] <seb128> thanks for fixing grilo-plugins!
[09:17] <seb128> pitti, :-)
[09:17] <darkxst> seb128, np, we can look at getting the lua into -base next cycle
[09:18] <didrocks> hey darkxst!
[09:18] <seb128> right
[09:18] <larsu> seb128, didrocks: hi! How is “Ubuntu Software Center” translated into French?
[09:18] <larsu> could just keep that…
[09:18] <didrocks> it's "Ubuntu Software Center" :)
[09:18] <didrocks> I'm pretty sure it used to be Logithèque Ubuntu at some point
[09:19] <didrocks> maybe it's the move to universe which makes it untranslated for now
[09:19] <larsu> haha très bien
[09:19] <seb128> right, I'm looking at fixing that now
[09:19] <seb128> larsu, logithèque is a "software center"
[09:19] <seb128> but GNOME Software is software not software center
[09:19]  * larsu likes French
[09:19] <seb128> stupid naming if you ask me :-/
[09:19] <larsu> right
[09:20] <pitti> yeah, gedit and gtk is gnome software too, no? :-)
[09:20] <larsu> seb128: yeah... it's consitent with “Files” and “Notes” and such
[09:20] <seb128> is Software having a plural?
[09:20] <larsu> hey pitti! ça va?
[09:20] <seb128> which isn't it "Softwares"?
[09:21] <larsu> nope
[09:21] <seb128> no plural?
[09:21] <pitti> seb128: not in English
[09:21] <seb128> 1 software, 2 software?
[09:21] <larsu> yes. It's one of those words like sheep
[09:21] <pitti> larsu: geht super, danke! und bei Dir, was macht der rote HUt?
[09:21] <seb128> k
[09:21]  * larsu forgets the correct term
[09:21] <larsu> pitti: immer noch nicht angekommen!
[09:22] <larsu> pitti: aber macht viel Spaß soweit :)
[09:22] <pitti> seb128: it's uncountable, like water or advice
[09:22] <seb128> doesn't make sense to me
[09:22] <seb128> I can count gedit + file-roller
[09:22] <seb128> that's 2 :p
[09:23] <pitti> 2 projects, or 2 pieces of software
[09:23] <seb128> oh well, languages... ;-)
[09:23] <pitti> like two bottles of water
[09:23] <seb128> in french those are countable
[09:23] <seb128> 2 logiciels
[09:23] <pitti> at least Germans often say "advices" (and I think I saw you use that too)
[09:23] <pitti> that's not a thing either
[09:23] <seb128> but yeah, no point arguing, it's that way just need to remember it
[09:23] <seb128> right, we do that too
[09:24] <pitti> les languages sont tous très étrange :)
[09:24] <pitti> les langues, désolé
[09:24] <seb128> en effet
[09:24] <seb128> pitti, larsu, btw Software is not translated in german?
[09:24] <seb128> the german translated translated the title "Ubuntu Software"
[09:24] <seb128> e.g same as english
[09:25] <seb128> german translators*
[09:25] <pitti> everyone says "software" here, yes
[09:25] <seb128> k
[09:26] <pitti> seb128: ce matin, J'ai fait une installation par français :)
[09:26] <seb128> tu as compris toutes les instructions ? ;-)
[09:26] <larsu> yep, just "Die Software"
[09:26] <larsu> also not countable
[09:27] <pitti> non, je n'avais comprendre rien, donc il était vrai français :)
[09:27] <pitti> (just kidding)
[09:28] <seb128> hehe
[09:28] <pitti> "il était" → "c'était", non
[09:28] <pitti> et comprendre → compris
[09:30] <seb128> oui
[09:32] <seb128> "je n'avais rien compris, donc c'était du vrai (or "vraiment du") français"
[09:34] <pitti> seb128: merci
[09:34] <seb128> de rien!
[10:04] <willcooke> Nooooooooooooo
[10:04] <willcooke> why didn't I see this sooner
[10:04] <willcooke> super-tab is great
[10:05] <Laney> attente: could you file / find some bugs for important (to be fixed in sru) known issues in gnome-software and then list them under https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes#Known_issues please?
[10:06] <Laney> others in general can do that too for their stuff
[10:07] <willcooke> desktoppers ^
[10:11] <hikiko> Trevinho, when you have some time (probably after the release) could you get a look at the shadows review? :) (tx, just reminding I know you are busy atm)
[10:20] <attente> Laney: ok. i was also looking at the way the apt plugin was reloading the db yesterday. i think it's failing here: https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-software/tree/src/plugins/gs-plugin-apt.cc?h=wip/iainl/ubuntu-xenial#n382
[10:21] <attente> which is causing the plugin to refresh with no apps
[10:23] <Laney> 'k
[10:26] <attente> Laney: but i'm not sure what's going on there. i think fixing this would prevent the problem of gnome software wiping away all of the apps
[10:27] <Laney> Probably talk to the apt people
[10:28] <Laney> does updates_changed make add_upates get called?
[10:29] <attente> indirectly by refreshing the various shells
[10:31] <Laney> maybe a mitigation is to not unload until the new one has succeeded
[10:31] <Laney> or make loading happen in-place
[10:57] <Trevinho> willcooke: mh I guess I should add the menu issue there...
[10:57] <willcooke> Trevinho, yes pls.
[10:57] <Trevinho> and the restart unity-panel-service workaround
[10:57] <Trevinho> hikiko: yes, I was working on that. Not only on the review (which I did directly on code).
[10:58] <Trevinho> hikiko: we'll SRU it
[10:58] <willcooke> I should update it and remove the HUD hotkey while it's still pending a decision
[10:59] <Laney> Only bugs that someone's quite likely to experience, no need to add every thing there
[10:59] <Laney> (not saying if these things are such bugs)
[10:59] <willcooke> ack, thanks Laney
[10:59] <willcooke> I've commented out the HUD changes for now
[11:00] <hikiko> Trevinho, what do you mean directly on code?
[11:01] <Trevinho> hikiko: that I've fixed some things and improved others in a branch
[11:01] <Trevinho> hikiko: which.. I've here stacked
[11:03] <hikiko> is there a bug you fixed?
[11:03] <hikiko> I've tested it and it looked ok :s
[11:04] <hikiko> I've even tested the edge case of the shaped blob (that changes the window shape in real time)
[11:04] <hikiko> and looked fine
[11:16]  * Sweet5hark1 read the backlog and now know 50% more french again.
[11:16] <attente> Laney: ok. i think i figured out a half-fix
[11:16] <attente> Laney: the problem seems to be that libapt's _error stores some errors from the initial run. this causes subsequent runs to fail even though they haven't really
[11:18] <attente> seb128, Laney: also want to know your opinions on changing the Updates to do an unsafe apt upgrade instead of a safe
[11:22] <attente> linux packages don't seem to be upgraded on safe upgrade
[11:38] <Laney> attente: do you know how to clear the state?
[11:38] <Laney> annnnnnnnnd uuuuuummmmmmmmm
[11:38] <attente> Laney: yeah, it seems to be ok now
[11:38] <Laney> ok nice
[11:39] <attente> but yeah. unsafe apt upgrade? because otherwise the updates stay on the list even after trying to install them :/
[11:41] <Laney> you do a full upgrade instead of upgrading each GsApp?
[11:41] <attente> only for the system upgrades item
[11:41] <attente> or for the update all button
[11:42] <Laney> probably fine
[11:42] <Laney> check what update-manager does?
[11:49] <attente> Laney: it's hard to tell from looking at the code, but my hunch is that it does an unsafe one itself where it only ever adds and tries to avoid removing. there's this function saveDistUpgrade
[11:51] <attente> Laney: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/wily/update-manager/wily/view/head:/UpdateManager/Core/MyCache.py#L156
[11:55] <Laney> attente: looks like it works it out itself
[11:57] <desrt> good morning peeps
[11:58] <attente> hey desrt
[11:58] <desrt> attente: did you sleep? :)
[12:02] <attente> desrt: eh. not really my thing
[12:18] <Laney> attente: you working on anything more?
[12:18] <Laney> I could try to slide this in
[12:18] <attente> Laney: i just uploaded to my ppa
[12:18] <attente> i think that's going to be it
[12:18] <Laney> ok
[12:18] <Laney> link?
[12:19] <Laney> you should talk to hughsie about that flag
[12:19] <attente> Laney: https://launchpad.net/~attente/+archive/ubuntu/gnome-software
[12:19] <Laney> thx
[12:19] <attente> yeah, i will
[12:20] <attente> Laney: let me just test a few things
[12:20] <attente> Laney: before you take that
[12:23] <seb128> Laney, you try to get that update still in release?
[12:23] <Laney> yes
[12:23] <attente> Laney: whoops. i forgot to mention the QUIRK_NON_REVIEWABLE in the changelog
[12:23] <attente> Laney: let me do a quick fix for that
[12:24] <Laney> noh well[B[Bnever mind
[12:24] <Laney> dawhfroaihfa
[12:24] <Laney> stupid wifi
[12:24] <Laney> attente: I already copied it to the xenial queue
[12:24] <Laney> just add it for the next one
[12:24] <attente> Laney: oh. ok
[12:24] <seb128> Laney, can you add that to rules? http://paste.ubuntu.com/15946787/
[12:25] <seb128> oh, you already did an upload
[12:25] <seb128> so guess for the next one
[12:27] <Laney> wow
[12:28] <Laney> is this because no langpack export with that string?
[12:28] <Laney> attente: got a bzr branch with that upload?
[12:28] <attente> Laney: i'll push it
[12:29] <Laney> mmmmmmmmmmerci
[12:29] <Laney> then go file some bugs and release note them please
[12:29] <seb128> Laney, right, just injecting some translations in the .desktop after it's stripped so we have those on the iso
[12:29] <Laney> so it looks like we know about the problems
[12:29] <seb128> easier than patching langpacks
[12:30] <seb128> I didn't bother doing de/it/pt because those use "Ubuntu Software" as translations
[12:30] <seb128> we didn't get one for "ru" yet though
[12:30] <seb128> which is why I was delaying a bit, but es/fr/zh_CN are probably a good set in additions to the previously mentioned ones
[12:42] <attente> ok. i feel a bit better with this upload now that that apt db reload works
[12:43] <seb128> yeah, good job!
[13:02] <attente> can't seem to log into wiki.ubuntu.com...
[13:02] <attente> oh. nvm, it did work
[13:04] <attente> but i don't have permissions to edit i guess...
[13:04] <attente> willcooke: you're able to edit the release notes, right? who did you talk to to get access?
[13:05] <willcooke> attente, dunno
[13:08] <seb128> Laney, ^ is the wiki restricted?
[13:08] <willcooke> attente, sorry - in a meeting
[13:08] <seb128> willcooke, thanks for confirming the tooltip bug thing
[13:08] <willcooke> attente, if you want me to edit it let me know
[13:08] <willcooke> seb128, nw
[13:08] <seb128> willcooke, the SdoC is in 1h right?
[13:08]  * seb128 has a doubt
[13:09] <willcooke> seb128, yeah - although I don't know if it will happen
[13:09] <seb128> k
[13:09] <willcooke> like, I don't know if we've got things to say
[13:09] <seb128> just checking that I'm not late (again)
[13:09] <willcooke> :)
[13:09] <seb128> well, there are probably going to be questions about whether the 500 error thing is resolved
[13:09] <seb128> and if snaps persist after reboot
[13:10] <willcooke> yeah, fair
[13:10] <attente> yeah. i guess i should test that out now with the new snapd
[13:11] <Laney> attente: I think you need to be in some team
[13:11] <Laney> attente: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-etherpad that one
[13:14] <attente> hmm... still immutable
[13:14] <seb128> Laney, just curious but what is the grilo landing about?
[13:14] <seb128> seems late for a version upgrade and there is no even a bug reference
[13:17] <Laney> There was a sponsorship request for it and it contained bugfixes and syncs don't usually have Launchpad bug references
[13:19] <seb128> k
[13:19] <seb128> Laney, attente, so, if I do an upload for g-s/translations, should I include other fixes? or just go for that and we can maybe do yet another one with fixes after if needed?
[13:20] <attente> do we even have time for more fixes?
[13:21] <seb128> well I guess it depends of how big the change is and how important the fix is and if we respin
[13:21] <seb128> we can get bugfixes uploads in
[13:21] <attente> it might be good to have a rollback version anyways in case new fixes cause newer bugs
[13:21] <Laney> Image builds are going to happen momentarily, but you can put things in the queue
[13:22] <seb128> attente, if there are proper bug references the update can be turned into a 0day SRU
[13:22] <seb128> so it's not wasted
[13:23] <attente> ok
[13:24] <attente> popey: thanks!
[13:24] <popey> np
[13:25] <seb128> popey, what did you do? ;-)
[13:25] <attente> popey: how long does it take before i can start editing usually?
[13:25] <seb128> oh, and hey!
[13:25] <seb128> oh, wiki edit
[13:26] <Laney> By the way, something needs to be done about the update notification from gnome-software
[13:27] <Laney> After you read the text you have no idea where to go
[13:27] <Laney> and it seems to show up more often than it might?
[13:28] <seb128> it seems to show everytime the apt status change
[13:29] <seb128> like I had a stack of updates, install one, it notifies
[13:29] <seb128> I wonder if we should just turn off that notification
[13:29] <Laney> Need it for firmware and/or snappy
[13:29] <seb128> well, as you say the notification doesn't help you much
[13:30] <seb128> my reflex as an old ubuntu user would be start update-manager
[13:30] <Laney> That doesn't mean that turning it off is the correct solution
[13:30] <seb128> we autospawn update-manager
[13:30] <seb128> I would say we should be consistent and autostart g-s when there is a snap of firmware update
[13:30] <Laney> Don't know
[13:31] <Laney> I'm not trying to design a solution right now
[13:31] <Laney> Just raising it as something to think about
[13:31] <seb128> yeah
[13:31] <seb128> +1
[13:31] <seb128> we need to fix it in a SRU anyway
[13:31] <seb128> going to have a stack of those for .1 in any case
[13:32]  * seb128 noticed that nautilus' bookmark menu is/stays empty
[13:32] <seb128> as does gedit recently used
[13:32]  * seb128 wonders if that's an appmenu issue
[13:32] <seb128> Trevinho, hey!
[13:33] <Trevinho> seb128: hey
[13:33] <seb128> Trevinho, do you have any idea about ^
[13:33] <Trevinho> seb128: not sure it can be app menu there
[13:34] <Trevinho> seb128: are those menu items in the quicklist, or you mean the app ones?
[13:37] <seb128> Trevinho, the appmenu
[13:40] <Trevinho> seb128: they work without ups, right?
[13:41] <seb128> Trevinho, I'm trying to figure that out, how do I turn off appmenu nowadays :p
[13:48] <seb128> Trevinho, anyway, I don't want to distract you from the missing menu bug, is that getting anywhere? what did you try since yesterday? did you comment on the bug asking for more details?
[13:50] <Trevinho> seb128: no, I didn't write yet. I've been doing some experiments with bamf and libappmenu, but still I can't get anywhere
[13:50] <Trevinho> seb128: I should probably generate a binary of ups with some debug statements and get to try it
[13:50] <seb128> Trevinho, yes please
[13:58] <seb128> Trevinho, seems like it's not an appmenu issue, same with local menus, unping ;-)
[14:02] <Trevinho> seb128: ah, ok... Your stuff then :)
[14:02] <willcooke> seb128, attente - quick stand up:  https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/sdoc?authuser=0
[14:03] <seb128> willcooke, I'm there
[14:20] <jcastro> none of the snappy packages I've installed show up in my dash, they have .desktop files but I am unsure if unity is aware of their existance
[14:21] <seb128> jcastro, do they have one in /Var/lib/snapd/desktop?
[14:22] <seb128> V->v
[14:22] <Laney> VvVvVvVvVvVvVvVvV
[14:26] <jcastro> seb128: yep
[14:26] <seb128> jcastro, weird, unity should list it then
[14:26] <seb128> did you restart your session since the snappy->snapd thing?
[14:26] <seb128> the env is set at login and changed
[14:27] <seb128> is /var/lib/snapd/desktop in your XDG_DATA_DIRS?
[14:27] <jcastro> ah, I restarted unity but didn't log out and back in, checking now
[14:27] <seb128> that's session by an Xsession.d script
[14:27] <seb128> so only at login
[14:27] <seb128> you might still have the old name then
[14:27] <jcastro> XDG_DATA_DIRS=/usr/share/ubuntu:/usr/share/gnome:/usr/local/share/:/usr/share/:/var/lib/snappy/desktop
[14:27] <jcastro> yep
[14:27] <jcastro> I do
[14:27] <seb128> there you go
[14:27] <seb128> try after a session restart
[14:27] <jcastro> ack, thanks.
[14:27] <seb128> yw!
[14:28] <jcastro> and that works, thanks.
[14:28] <seb128> yw!
[14:28] <seb128> :-)
[14:32] <popey> oooh, that helps me too, thanks seb128
[14:32] <seb128> popey, yw
[14:34] <willcooke> Trevinho, desrt - did you guys get anywhere with the missing menus?
[14:35] <Trevinho> willcooke: no, all that I can do is request more debugging bits
[14:35] <seb128> please do...
[14:36] <seb128> you already said, but meanwhile we are sitting blocked :-/
[14:36] <seb128> we have kamstrump on the bug we could email him asking he can join IRC and help debugging maybe
[14:37] <seb128> Trevinho, want me to email him?
[14:38] <willcooke> seb128, please do
[14:39] <seb128> willcooke, k
[14:39] <willcooke> I've pinged him on Hangouts as well
[14:39] <willcooke> but don't know if he reads that
[14:39] <seb128> oh ok
[14:39] <willcooke> email anyways
[14:39] <seb128> yeah
[14:39] <willcooke> might be better
[14:41] <attente> willcooke: can you update the xenial release notes under Desktop (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes) with this: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/357820/
[14:41] <Trevinho> seb128: I'm preparing together with other stuff
[14:42] <attente> i can't seem to edit it still
[14:42] <willcooke> attente, on it
[14:43] <seb128> Trevinho, willcooke, email sent
[14:43] <attente> willcooke: thanks!
[14:43] <seb128> attente found a pastebin which let you copy without having to u2f log in :p
[14:43] <attente> seb128: haha
[14:43] <Trevinho> seb128: thanks, there are other tech guys also having that, but I've not direct contact with them
[14:43] <seb128> Trevinho, launchpad has this "contact user" feature :p
[14:45] <seb128> attente, willcooke, Laney, we should probably write something about the fact that g-s doesn't use package descriptions nor their translations
[14:46] <willcooke> attente, done
[14:47] <willcooke> do we have a bug number for that?  I can't find one
[14:48] <seb128> willcooke, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1559338
[14:48] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1559338 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "Doesn't seem to use deb package descriptions?" [High,Invalid]
[14:48] <seb128> it's invalid there because it's a server side/indexer issue afaik
[14:48] <attente> ok. is there anything we can do for an sru on the client side?
[14:49] <attente> *need to do
[14:49] <seb128> not afaik
[14:49] <seb128> needs to be fixed on the server
[14:49] <seb128> the good news it means fixing is also going to make the release iso work
[14:49] <attente> that is nice. i don't really understand why that info doesn't come from libapt though
[14:50] <seb128> yeah, me neither
[14:50] <seb128> there are probably good reasons
[14:50] <seb128> I just don't understand the architecture enough to know them
[14:51] <attente> it's ok seb128. me neither :P
[14:51] <seb128> :-)
[14:58] <willcooke> seb128, attente  - added that one
[14:58] <seb128> willcooke, thanks
[15:34] <willcooke> Trevinho, I just can't make this thing break - I've reboot like 50 times now
[15:35] <seb128> yeah, me neither
[15:36] <seb128> I think it's a timing issue so if your machine doesn't get it it realiably doesn't
[15:36] <seb128> like could need a slow hdd
[15:47] <ximion> attente: for the "where does the long description come from" issue: GNOME Software will ignore anything w/o long description, therefore we must put it into the AppStream metadata - previously, GS did read package descriptions, but it doesn't do that anymore
[15:47] <ximion> as a consequence of this change, GS doesn't know anymore whether the description is from the package manager or AppStream itself, so it can't simply override them
[15:47] <ximion> and that's why things are this way ;-)
[15:48] <ximion> other distribution's package descriptions being bad and/or untranslated plays a major role here ;-)
[15:48] <attente> ximion: could we provide multiple descriptions and just use the highest quality one?
[15:50] <ximion> attente: that would require an architectural change in GS *and* appstream-glib
[15:51]  * ximion doesn't think it's worth it, better work on getting more stuff to ship metainfo files
[15:51] <seb128> we have some thousands packages with a verbose/useful description
[15:51] <seb128> and translators spent years of work translating those
[15:51] <ximion> making the metadata generator read more translations is also the easier fix
[15:52] <Laney> It's supposed to use descriptions if there's no AppStream one, this is simplly a bug if it's not
[15:52] <Laney> Including translated ones
[15:52] <Laney> No need to use emotional pressure
[15:52] <seb128> I didn't understand the conversation then
[15:52] <Laney> Me neither.
[15:52] <ximion> Laney: no, it isn't - it's a deliberate design decision by hughsie to ignore stuff w/o metainfo files in new releases of GS (was even announced on his blogpost)
[15:52] <Laney> No.
[15:52] <ximion> the way he detects this is by stuff having a long description or not
[15:53] <Laney> *you* added the code to use descriptions to the generator
[15:53] <ximion> Laney: yes, to work around that limitation in GS - we had a brief chat about this, and he wanted things that way
[15:53] <ximion> and I didn't disagree
[15:54] <Laney> Don't know what you're talking about then
[15:54] <Laney> We do use package descriptions
[15:54] <ximion> on the generator side, yes
[15:55] <ximion> which should be fine, but apparently it isn't working properly (?)
[15:55] <Laney> Not with translations it seems
[15:55] <ximion> oh, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1559338 is realtively old...
[15:55] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1559338 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "Doesn't seem to use deb package descriptions?" [High,Invalid]
[15:56] <ximion> that stuff is at least fixed here
[15:56] <Laney> It definitely does miss some translations
[15:56] <Laney> Can't imagine it is hard to fix
[15:57] <seb128> Laney, it's not only translations
[15:59] <seb128> e.G xchat-gnome has no description in g-s and has one in s-c
[15:59] <seb128> or vlc
[16:00] <seb128> just taking random examples
[16:01] <ximion> indeed, long descriptions are missing: http://appstream.ubuntu.com/xenial/universe/metainfo/vlc.html
[16:02] <seb128> well in any case if that's a bug it's ok, we have it on the release notes and it can be worked on after release
[16:02] <attente> ximion: it's not really clear to me why that would require an architectural change to appstream-glib. wouldn't we just need to override the description with a higher quality setting when refining it via the apt plugin?
[16:03] <attente> or is the appstream metadata already the highest quality setting?
[16:05] <ximion> attente: uhh, I have no idea how that is implemented in GS, actually - but since the AppStream plugin will run first and set a highest-quality description, we'd need to drop the descriptions from AppSteeam metadata (which are from packages), and also stop stuff from being ignored, and we would need to carry a quality rating for descriptions, which AFAIR doesn't exist yet
[16:05] <ximion> AppStream descriptions always have the highest quality rating
[16:05] <ximion> seb128: this is definitely not intended
[16:06] <ximion> my guess is that VLC is a cached app and just needs to be reprocessed
[16:06] <ximion> (to get descriptions set)
[16:40] <seb128> k, time for some exercice, bbl
[16:41] <willcooke> ex er size?  What is this?  Sounds dangerous
[16:42]  * willcooke remembers the days of lunch hours 
[16:42] <willcooke> maybe I will pop out for a bit after dinner
[16:42] <willcooke> that sounds like a good idea
[20:55]  * TheMuso tries to exercise every morning of the working week at least.
[20:56] <TheMuso> I find it makes a difference mentally with getting things done.
[20:56] <davmor2> willcooke: Lunch Hourssss oh yeah that's them things you had in school for food right?
[21:05] <willcooke> :D
[21:06] <davmor2> willcooke: I drove a Lorry before this I have no concept of a lunch hour, 30 minutes fries my head :D
[21:19] <willcooke> When I used to work for BHS mending POS equipment lunch was a Big Mac while driving down the motorway.  My van was literally knee deep in rubbish
[21:20] <willcooke> eeeee, but they were 'appier times
[21:20] <TheMuso> lol
[21:20] <willcooke> right, bed time
[21:20] <willcooke> London tomorrow
[21:20] <willcooke> g'night
[21:20] <willcooke> see ya next week TheMuso
[21:21] <willcooke> \o/
[21:21] <TheMuso> Will do. :)
[22:39] <a1fa> hello, what is the command to reset unity config?
[22:40] <a1fa> 15.10 to 16.04 and i am not able to log in to unity
[22:45] <a1fa> looks like update didnt complete
[22:45] <a1fa> re running it