[07:21] <darkxst> LaserAllan, evince handles most things
[10:29] <LocutusOfBorg> ok
[10:29] <LocutusOfBorg> I'm downloading an image
[10:31] <darkxst> LocutusOfBorg, lightdm still launches as root on the images I tested today also
[10:31] <LocutusOfBorg> link to images?
[10:31] <LocutusOfBorg> can you please try with the virtualbox on propsed
[10:32] <darkxst> LocutusOfBorg, probably http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/daily-live/20160419/ (I just zsync'ed it)
[10:32] <LocutusOfBorg> I'm installing xenial beta2
[10:36] <LocutusOfBorg> darkxst, can you please try?
[10:36] <LocutusOfBorg> I need to know whick kernel module are you using
[10:36] <darkxst> LocutusOfBorg, yes, will try in a sec
[10:37] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks
[10:37] <LocutusOfBorg> apt-get install virtualbox-guest-dkms please
[10:37] <darkxst> I am (was) using whatever module is tainting the live cd kernel ;)
[10:37] <LocutusOfBorg> NO
[10:37] <LocutusOfBorg> that is the problem
[10:37] <LocutusOfBorg> :(
[10:37] <darkxst> oh right
[10:38] <LocutusOfBorg> one sec
[10:38] <darkxst> I still don't know who had the brain fart to include vbox in the kernel images
[10:38] <LocutusOfBorg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1571156
[10:38] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1571156 in linux (Ubuntu) "vbox: resync with 5.0.16-dfsg-3" [High,In progress]
[10:39] <LocutusOfBorg> you can also use the guest-additions-iso file
[10:40] <LocutusOfBorg> FWIW I deleted the kernel modules under lib/modules and did a dpkg-reconfigure virtualbox-guest-dkms
[10:40] <LocutusOfBorg> because it was refusing to override the 5.0.18 because the old 5.0.16 from kernel were installed
[10:40] <LocutusOfBorg> bad dpkg is bad
[10:41] <darkxst> LocutusOfBorg, vbox is also bad!
[10:46] <LocutusOfBorg> installed beta-2
[10:46] <LocutusOfBorg> installed virtualbox-guest-dkms
[10:46] <LocutusOfBorg> restarted
[10:46] <LocutusOfBorg> full screen
[10:46] <LocutusOfBorg> and I don't have xorg-legacy installed
[10:49] <LocutusOfBorg> trying your daily-live now
[10:49] <darkxst> I can't even get the dkms package ;(
[10:49] <LocutusOfBorg> enable proposed it is migrating right now
[10:49] <LocutusOfBorg>     5.0.18-dfsg-2build1
[10:49] <LocutusOfBorg> or grab the three debs
[10:49] <LocutusOfBorg> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox/5.0.18-dfsg-2build1
[10:50] <darkxst> I did, apt-get is barfing on some appstream error
[10:50] <darkxst> could be my mirror
[10:51] <LocutusOfBorg> I use the archive.ubuntu.com
[10:53] <darkxst> LocutusOfBorg, that is too slow in Australia!
[10:53] <LocutusOfBorg> :(
[10:54] <darkxst> im grabbing the .debs, slowly...
[10:54] <darkxst> ls
[10:55] <LocutusOfBorg> ls: error, file not found
[10:58] <darkxst> LocutusOfBorg, and while I wait, is vbox getting removed from the kernel?
[10:58] <LocutusOfBorg> no
[10:58] <LocutusOfBorg> i don't think so
[10:58] <LocutusOfBorg> it will be updated
[10:59] <LocutusOfBorg> daily live installed, and updated
[10:59] <LocutusOfBorg> installing the guest dkms
[10:59] <LocutusOfBorg> and rebooting
[11:01] <LocutusOfBorg> working
[11:04] <darkxst> LocutusOfBorg, my vbox is happily just flashing a "^C" symbol!
[11:04] <LocutusOfBorg> mmm what did you do
[11:04] <LocutusOfBorg> version
[11:06] <darkxst> LocutusOfBorg, current daily image, with the -proposed debs and removed -legacy
[11:06] <LocutusOfBorg> why did you add legacy in first place?
[11:07] <LocutusOfBorg> I don't have it installed
[11:07] <LocutusOfBorg> and the host version?
[11:07] <darkxst> LocutusOfBorg, its in our seeds since like whenever 1.18 was uploaded
[11:08] <darkxst> only  5.0.18-dfsg-1ubuntu1
[11:13] <darkxst> LocutusOfBorg, I need to wind down for the night, still battling the flu
[11:13] <darkxst> so what actually needs to happen when the changes land?
[11:13] <darkxst> seed vbox-guest-dkms and drop -legacy?
[11:20] <LocutusOfBorg> yes
[11:22] <darkxst> LocutusOfBorg, ok, I will try in the morning when the mirrors have synced up
[11:22] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks
[11:22] <LocutusOfBorg> I did this
[11:23] <LocutusOfBorg> install daily image or beta2
[11:23] <LocutusOfBorg> enable xenial, xenial-updates xenial-backports xenial-proposed
[11:23] <LocutusOfBorg> apt-get install virtualbox-guest-dkms
[11:23] <LocutusOfBorg> apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:25] <LocutusOfBorg> reboot
[11:25] <LocutusOfBorg> (I also tried without dist-upgrade and after)
[11:26] <LocutusOfBorg> I tried to install the dkms, and update the kernel after, just to see if the module was still working
[11:26] <LocutusOfBorg> and in each case I checked apt-get remove xserver-xorg-legacy
[11:26] <LocutusOfBorg> and it wasn't installed
[11:26] <LocutusOfBorg> darkxst, take care of your health :)
[11:27] <darkxst> LocutusOfBorg, xserver-xorg-legacy is seeded on our images, 100% sure of that
[11:27] <LocutusOfBorg> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/daily-live/20160419/
[11:27] <LocutusOfBorg> here?
[11:28] <darkxst> ubuntu-gnome
[11:28] <LocutusOfBorg> I did try everything with ubuntu
[11:28] <darkxst> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/daily-live/20160419/
[11:28] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks
[11:28] <LocutusOfBorg> I can try that one too
[11:29] <darkxst> LocutusOfBorg, ubuntu is still lauching lightdm and the user Xorg as root
[11:29] <LocutusOfBorg> darkxst, how
[11:29] <LocutusOfBorg> the legacy package is not installed in the ubuntu/daily-live
[11:29] <darkxst> I don't know it will be in lightdm somewhere
[11:30] <darkxst> gdm has proper support for root-less Xorg
[11:30] <LocutusOfBorg> what is the default?
[11:30] <darkxst> so gdm runs a gdm user and user Xorg as the user
[11:30] <darkxst> LocutusOfBorg, which default?
[11:31] <LocutusOfBorg> I install ubuntu/daily-live
[11:31] <LocutusOfBorg> without changing a bit
[11:31] <darkxst> LocutusOfBorg, we are not ubuntu! read the channel name again ;)
[11:32] <darkxst> we use gdm, ubuntu uses lightdm
[11:32] <LocutusOfBorg> yes, I know that
[11:32] <LocutusOfBorg> and I'm already trying the ubuntu-gnome/daily-live
[11:32] <darkxst> ps aux | grep X on the ubuntu images from today, shows lightdm running as root
[11:33] <LocutusOfBorg> ok
[11:33] <LocutusOfBorg> I'm a gnome user, but I install it on top of the ubuntu images
[11:33] <LocutusOfBorg> :)
[11:34] <LocutusOfBorg> not sure why I don't pick the ubuntu-gnome flavour
[11:34] <darkxst> LocutusOfBorg, with gdm or lightdm?
[11:34] <LocutusOfBorg> I tried both until wilu
[11:34] <LocutusOfBorg> wily
[11:34] <LocutusOfBorg> I usually try both and choose one
[11:35] <LocutusOfBorg> e.g. IIRC lightdm was bad until trusty with gnome
[11:35] <LocutusOfBorg> (e.g. no way to lock screen from graphic)
[11:35] <LocutusOfBorg> and with vivid IIRC wasn't even working with lightdm
[11:35] <LocutusOfBorg> with wily I use lightdm
[11:35] <LocutusOfBorg> with xenial I'll see
[11:36] <darkxst> LocutusOfBorg, yes, I patched a few bits of the GNOME stack to work with lightdm, but we don't really support that config
[11:37] <LocutusOfBorg> what is the difference between ubuntu-gnome and ubuntu with apt-get install gnome-shell?
[11:38] <darkxst> mainly a different packageset, lightdm doesnt work 100% with GNOME integration like gdm
[11:44] <darkxst> gdm and gnome-shell are very tightly coupled
[11:45]  * darkxst sleeps ....
[12:12] <mgedmin> you can install ubuntu and cross-upgrade into ubuntu-gnome, but it'll take a bit more than just apt installing gnome-shell
[12:12] <mgedmin> there are some metapackages that pull in everything
[12:12] <mgedmin> IIRC the wiki has instructions somewhere
[12:31] <LocutusOfBorg> darkxst, I did install ubuntu-gnome daily
[12:32] <LocutusOfBorg> apt-get dist-upgrade and install of virtualbox-guest-dkms
[12:32] <LocutusOfBorg> at reboot I have a shell, no gdm
[12:32] <LocutusOfBorg> but startx works
[12:32] <LocutusOfBorg> with and without the legacy package
[12:36] <LocutusOfBorg> interesting
[12:36] <LocutusOfBorg> gdm doesn't start by default
[12:36] <LocutusOfBorg> but lightdm does
[12:43] <mgedmin> IIRC you need to use `sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm` and select the display manager you prefer
[12:43] <mgedmin> maybe `sudo dpkg-reconfigure -p LOW gdm`, I don't remember the details -- I'd look for a /usr/share/docs/gdm/README.Debian* to describe this
[12:44] <mgedmin> ah, no, gdm's README.Debian doesn't say :/
[12:45] <mgedmin> or, if you're feeling brave, you can apt remove lightdm
[12:45] <mgedmin> when there's only one display manager installed, there's no need to choose which one you want ;)
[12:47] <darkxst> LocutusOfBorg, lightdm is not on our images
[12:47] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks mgedmin but I don't have such issues
[12:48] <LocutusOfBorg> darkxst, I did apt-get install lightdm, selected it, rebooted and it started correctly
[12:48] <LocutusOfBorg> interestingly enough, even with gdm, a startx works
[12:48] <LocutusOfBorg> I know it isn't seeded
[12:48] <darkxst> LocutusOfBorg, yeh because it runs as root?
[12:48] <LocutusOfBorg> indeed
[12:49] <darkxst> which defies the entire point of root-less X
[12:49] <LocutusOfBorg> but with gdm I don't do sudo startx
[12:49] <LocutusOfBorg> just a startx
[12:49] <LocutusOfBorg> let me check
[12:49] <darkxst> LocutusOfBorg, how do you even get the fd for the gpu with vbox UMS drivers?
[12:55] <LocutusOfBorg> what?
[13:07] <LocutusOfBorg> ok, strange
[13:07] <LocutusOfBorg> I did install the live daily build
[13:07] <LocutusOfBorg> updated with -proposed pocket
[13:07] <LocutusOfBorg> removed xorg-legacy package
[13:07] <LocutusOfBorg> reboot, the system blinks for a minute or two
[13:08] <LocutusOfBorg> (same happens in debian)
[13:08] <LocutusOfBorg> installed the guest-dkms and guest-utils
[13:08] <LocutusOfBorg> rebooted
[13:08] <LocutusOfBorg> everything seems good
[13:08] <LocutusOfBorg> with gdm of course
[13:08] <LocutusOfBorg> locutus@locutus-VirtualBox:~$ ps axu |grep gdm
[13:08] <LocutusOfBorg> root       731  0.0  0.1 289912  7064 ?        Ssl  15:07   0:00 /usr/sbin/gdm3
[13:08] <LocutusOfBorg> root       738  0.0  0.1 242532  7252 ?        Sl   15:07   0:00 gdm-session-worker [pam/gdm-autologin]
[13:08] <LocutusOfBorg> locutus    784  0.0  0.1 197648  7584 tty7     Ssl+ 15:07   0:00 /usr/lib/gdm3/gdm-x-session --run-script gnome-session --session=gnome
[13:08] <LocutusOfBorg> locutus    792  0.8  0.7 236024 40904 tty7     S+   15:07   0:00 /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg vt7 -displayfd 3 -auth /run/user/1000/gdm/Xauthority -background none -noreset -keeptty -verbose 3
[13:09] <LocutusOfBorg> locutus@locutus-VirtualBox:~$ uname -a
[13:09] <LocutusOfBorg> Linux locutus-VirtualBox 4.4.0-21-generic #37-Ubuntu SMP Mon Apr 18 18:33:37 UTC 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[13:10] <LocutusOfBorg> not sure what does it mean
[13:10] <LocutusOfBorg> but I can remove the legacy package, and have everything working with guest-dkms and gdm
[13:11] <LocutusOfBorg> darkxst, sorry for not letting you sleep
[13:11] <LocutusOfBorg> trying lightdm now
[13:14] <LocutusOfBorg> locutus@locutus-VirtualBox:~$ ps axu |grep -i xorg
[13:14] <LocutusOfBorg> locutus    790  2.6  0.9 249376 53976 tty7     S+   15:13   0:00 /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg vt7 -displayfd 3 -auth /run/user/1000/gdm/Xauthority -background none -noreset -keeptty -verbose 3
[13:14] <LocutusOfBorg> locutus   1682  0.0  0.0  18488   976 pts/0    S+   15:14   0:00 grep --color=auto -i xorg
[13:14] <LocutusOfBorg> seems I'm running a rootless gdm3 session correctly
[13:58] <darkxst> +
[20:48] <LaserAllan> are there any shortcommands for opening "files"?