[01:48] evening all [01:48] pleia2: need a hand with anything? [06:31] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/1572400/comments/2 [06:31] Launchpad bug 1572400 in thunar (Ubuntu) "Thunar crashes when moving files from one window to another" [Undecided,Incomplete] [06:33] bluesabre: given that we're not going to replace thunar with something else the day before release - or maybe never - we're going to have to include those patches [06:34] if we can't get them in in time for tomorrow - then I think we should seriously consider not releasing on Thursday and getting help making sure we have patched thunar in image before we release [06:40] It's in the queue. [06:40] k [06:41] not that it fixes the problem - just alleviates it a bit [06:42] Unit193: got a link or something? [06:42] only places I know to look are CI and excuses :( [06:43] probably cos I don't know enough about packaging ... [06:43] http://launchpadlibrarian.net/254608952/thunar_1.6.10-2ubuntu1_source.changes [06:48] mmm - meant something more like https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/16.04.6 [06:49] It's not accepted yet. [06:50] ok [07:14] Unit193: is that lplibrarian thing the one I need to try and chivvy -release with? [07:19] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=thunar ? [07:20] 1572400 too? [08:23] does anybody else have "mouse cursor often disappears after locking screen" in xenial? [08:25] (on hardware, which might matter...) [08:36] dkessel, blinks for me occasionally on intel GPU laptop [08:37] dkessel, and once or twice it has disappeared for the login [08:39] nope... did a big test last week on the locking and hibernating on my thinkpad and everything was fine,, (Nvidia gpu) [08:40] never happened to me on the nvidia gpu desktop with proprietary drivers either [08:40] although, i did notice last night that my menu icon disappeared once, but re-appear when i hovered over it.. just going thru the bug emails as I'm sure i saw someone report that.. and if so.. gunna check it out [08:41] note: i'm still running both wily, but since the bug is the same, i think the data is relevant [08:41] knome: i have it on intel, too. i even needed to switch to vt1 and back multiple times yesterday to get the cursor back. [08:41] mhm [08:42] i don't think i've ever completely lost the cursor on the login screen though [08:42] akxwi-dave: that menu icon redraw bug is known. it was mentioned here one or two days ago i think [08:42] knome: no, i only loose it on the desktop, not on the login screen. [08:42] yeah [08:42] i just log out and in [08:42] and only since some days.... [08:42] hmm, weird [08:42] you're a late adopter of the bug then :P [08:43] ahhh.. thats maybe where I saw it then.. wierd thing is I've had xenial installed as main on lappy since december and never had it before [08:43] :-) [08:44] well Jan actually.. [08:45] cheater! :) [08:47] my hard drive died on it so had to rebuild... took 15.10 and updateed with a early build of xenial... [08:47] nnope, still a cheater :P [08:48] sorry... [08:48] it's ok [08:48] i just couldnt help it.. [08:48] i had to have it asap.. [08:48] you can do 100 tests to compensate this [08:48] yes boss.. [08:49] ;) [08:50] but in all seriousness.. it has ran beautifully on the laptop.. hell of a lot better than earlier releases or other distro's [08:51] happy to hear that :) [08:51] ...even if i have no idea why [08:51] same here... [08:53] saveing up to get a decent ssd for the lappy.. i have an old 80 gig one that i did some tests on.. from post screen to login in 2 seconds with xenial on ssd [08:53] yep [08:53] i need an SSD for the desktop [08:53] in all seriousness i need a new desktop though [08:53] but an SSD would give me something with a bit less [08:54] and i'm still dreaming of a mini-pc, need to wait for a bit for them to become a bit more powerful [08:56] snap.. but until they do a powerful one with gaming quality gpu.. it will be my self build in an Antec 900 case.. [08:57] i don't exactly need gaming quality GPU, but i'd rather still see something else than an integrated one.. [08:57] there's one mini-pc where you can plug in some cards [09:03] i also have one of these which are smallish but again intergrated gpu.. its only dual core but reasonably fast..https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=lenovo+m73&espv=2&biw=1920&bih=993&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjNop_F7ZzMAhUGOhoKHfbqBS0Q_AUIBygC#imgrc=eKkD7YRBvfhD_M%3A [09:03] in fact the power brick is almost bigger that the pc [09:04] ah [09:04] its a fault i have,, never get rid of old hardware.. you just never know when they coem in handy [09:05] lol [09:05] i used to do that [09:05] well, i still have my old shuttle case with some parts [09:05] too bad the PSU's were so bad on those [09:05] other than that though, i'm pretty much living on actual hardware only [09:06] no need for a rented storage space:P [09:06] blast from the past.. :-) i know what you mean.. had one myself until I put 14.04 on it and gave it to a friend to act as a media centre for him. [09:06] dkessel: cursor loss after suspend is on rlease note - if it affects just locking guess we need to sya so [09:06] :-) [09:07] morning flocculant [09:07] hi [09:07] i've been thinking that once i get the new pc, i'll take a plunge and get a new PSU, return some parts from the desktop to that and make it a gaming pc for the living room [09:07] akxwi-dave: just popped in - popping right back out again :) [09:07] and by gaming PC i don't mean a powerful rig.. i mean something to play dos games on :P :P [09:08] ... I've got old dos floppy images of Elite, Dungeonmaster and Turbo Pascal if you wan em.. :-) [09:08] bug 1568604 [09:08] bug 1568604 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "xubuntu 16.04 beta loses mouse cursor when returning from sleep" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1568604 [09:09] akxwi-dave, nah, i have my own ;) [09:09] not of those though [09:09] lol [09:34] flocculant, i would probably list dropping of gtk themes rather in the "known issues" section :/ [09:35] or at least i wouldn't call it a "highlight" of the release [10:02] flocculant: accepted https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/1.6.10-2ubuntu1 [10:13] 06:12 infinity: is there any way we can get https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/1.6.10-2ubuntu1 out of proposed before the full respin? :-) [10:13] 06:12 bluesabre: It's on the way. [10:13] flocculant: ^ [10:50] knome: I assume you're talking about x.org [10:50] bluesabre: \o/ [10:51] makes me feel a bit better about it :) [10:53] knome: I just knocked the x.org draft up from release note - didn't do much else [10:55] bluesabre: I guess that the existing thunar bugs will get fix release ? in which case we should start a new one to have something for the 'proper' fix later? [10:55] flocculant: I did not mark them to auto-fix since we know they don't [10:55] oh cool [10:56] I'll make comments on the release notes about the patches and stuff then [10:58] dkessel: but you def have intel? [10:59] flocculant, yeah, indeed [10:59] flocculant: yup. i have intel + nvidia hybrid, but i know that intel is active, and not nvidia [10:59] dkessel: cool thanks :) [10:59] knome: then yup - not a highlight :D [11:05] figured out and edited the draft a bit [11:05] bluesabre: if you could check the thunar note on release note before tomorrow to make sure I'm not lying please :) [11:05] knome: cheers :) [11:05] * flocculant has a butchers ... [11:06] ;) [11:06] flocculant: "ameliorate" -- fancy! [11:06] \o/ [11:07] flocculant: other than that, looks good [11:07] k - I'll do similar on x.org then :) [11:09] also changed the cursor lock wording in both [11:12] bluesabre: I'll leave adding comments to bugs to you :) [11:13] bug 1572400 can probably be marked as a dupe of one of the other ones [11:13] bug 1572400 in thunar (Ubuntu) "Thunar crashes when moving files from one window to another" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1572400 [11:22] and thunar update lands here [11:28] flocculant: will take a look tonight [11:28] bbl [11:30] bluesabre: okey doke - I'll try and be about later tonight ;) [11:30] off again now [17:19] hi ;) I've just seen new wallpapers from the contest ! It's a great choice ;) [17:34] Nairwolf: :) [17:43] bluesabre: given that camera's disabled - any need for it on release note? [17:44] also - if you want to use your mugshot/catfish release notes let me know (or change them yourself) [19:57] can I be able to upgrade from beta to final release? [19:58] pavlushka: have you not been updating when prompted? [19:59] flocculant: yes, every time upgrading after updating [20:00] then you'll have everything [20:00] flocculant: thanks a lot, I mean a lot!!!! :) [20:01] that's ok [20:01] better to ask today than tomorrow [20:02] tomorrow I'll be grrr about anything that's not about iso and testing ;) [20:03] I am saved then, whew! [20:03] flocculant: welcome to my world ;) [20:03] davmor2: :) [20:03] Hello davmor2! [20:04] hello [20:04] davmor2: I don't like saying "I really really don't care" to people much - but will :D [20:04] davmor2: you know I typed the whole nick for you!! ;P [20:04] just patiently waiting for this respin now [20:04] we had some late landing things - -release were all super stars for us :) [20:05] flocculant: well to be fair I think it just dawned on them that the bugs we posted for beta 1 and final beta actually needed fixing, so it's been all hands on deck to get them fixed [20:06] flocculant: so pain in the arse yes, but if we weren't so good at doing what we do we wouldn't need all these respins [20:06] which one? [20:06] and LTS is always so much worse anyway [20:07] oh buggar ... support for how long? [20:08] flocculant: one upgrade issue fixed, swap space fixed, oem installer fixed, snappy fixed, mokutils fixed (mostly), and the list goes on [20:09] oh well oem we don't test - so never much know those issues [20:09] though I *do* notice them sometimes [20:09] flocculant: pretty important for lts though :) [20:10] well for those who claim to make sure it works yes [20:10] flocculant: so anyway motto of the story we did good :) [20:10] we have had discussions in the past about it - but not sure of the need [20:10] davmor2: for sure :) [20:11] flocculant: and users will never know all the trials and tribulations :) [20:11] I saw the mokutil fix - checked what I had on our release notes to check progress [20:11] davmor2: always the way ;) [20:12] and the swap one too [20:12] ...What if I don't care about snappy? :3 [20:12] s/I/we [20:12] :p [20:12] Unit193: then we have to beat you repeatedly till you do ;) then don't use it no harm :) [20:13] davmor2: except (afaik) it's been forced on our 'hardly anything installs' core thing ;) [20:13] davmor2: Actually, to be honest I'm just a bit peeved that it was forced into Core, but yeah don't really plan to. May poke at it once, buuut. :P [20:14] swap space fixed ? yeah ! [20:14] davmor2, but Unit193 has a big polearm in his cave, it hurts if he beats you back! [20:15] knome: haha [20:21] Unit193, flocculant; so it might prove useful for user within the next two years if people like spotify and steam create and update and maintain their apps as snaps, even if you don't personally like it [20:22] Right, which is fine for -desktop. [20:22] davmor2: don't get me wrong on snaps [20:22] our core is a really basic setup [20:23] if people want anything - they install it [20:23] even a browser [20:23] We're just saying "A time and a place", -core doesn't even have a browser or gnome-software. :P [20:23] flocculant: I'm afraid to tell you that I can't run the option "install xubuntu" from the last final version.... [20:23] I've made "check disk" and it said me there is no errors... [20:23] I think my usb keys are weird... [20:23] Nairwolf: it isn't the final version yet [20:24] Nairwolf: what are you talking about? [20:24] the image? [20:24] yes, the image [20:24] xenial final [20:24] if so - bunch of stuff going on - waiting on a respin [20:25] Nairwolf: so your 'Install Xubuntu' is from the Try/Install dialogue? [20:25] if so yes - drops you to the live desktop [20:27] yes, that's right flocculant ;) [20:27] :) [20:27] known issue for 2 daYS AT LEAST [20:27] so the option "Install Xubuntu" doesn't work ? You need to chose first "Try Xubuntu" and then install [20:27] oops [20:27] ok [20:28] Nairwolf: also - that stuff we can't fix - always good to grab an Ubuntu iso and check there if possible [20:28] then we can say phew ... Canonical will fix that one :D [20:29] ok [20:29] and where I can find known issues ? [20:29] if you choose to develop wiki.xubuntu.org, it should be writen here, no ? [20:30] Nairwolf, depends what you are going to fill it with [20:30] known issues for example [20:31] don't, we're tracking them in the release notes in the ubuntu wiki [20:31] and on this channel if they are very temporary [20:32] Nairwolf: once this cycle is done (assuming the Tech Lead doesn't complain) then next cycle the 'release note' will be a rolling one more or less the whole cycle [20:33] so current issues should - unless they are here and gone very quickly - be visible there [20:33] knome: talking of wiki.x - made a start on the qa iso page [20:33] nice [20:33] okay that's nice [20:33] I've found the page : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/FinalRelease/Xubuntu [20:34] yes [20:34] Nairwolf: next cycle - that will be what the rolling note will look like [20:34] EXCEPT [20:34] I wanted to say that sometimes, it's not really easy to find what you want ton wiki.ubuntu.com. Maybe you're familiar with this wiki, it's easy, but the search engine isn't really efficient [20:34] I am not updating changelog often [20:34] flocculant, damn, we really either want that menu out of there or make it link to sensible places :D [20:35] (fwiw, i'm completely ok with it being gone too) [20:35] menu? [20:35] that's ok flocculant for the changelog [20:35] flocculant, the toolbox banner [20:35] knome: oh yes [20:35] yea - caught up in the end :p [20:35] * Unit193 tries dropping desktop-common from the seed... [20:36] Unit193, make sure it doesn't fall on your toes [20:36] knome: I think last time I checked it was only 1 or 2 didn't redirect [20:36] flocculant, ack, but here's why i think we should rather drop it: [20:37] while the release notes are more technical than announcement, it's still mostly a user-facing page; they should be pointed to the most important "start here" pages only (if even those) [20:37] ok, new iso, I will try again [20:37] we don't want to sidetrack them to old team reports from the release notes :X [20:38] nope [20:38] knome: well easy enough to lose header from notes [20:38] yeah [20:38] one more thing i can (try to) do if you want [20:38] and I agree they should be really *just* about what they are [20:38] is move the xubuntu logo next to the release name [20:38] that would be fancy [20:39] knome: move it in FRONT of release name [20:39] and [20:39] yep, front indeed :P [20:39] move that stanza ABOVE the wiki warning [20:39] ack [20:39] i'll try... [20:39] so I don't screw it up in the morning :p [20:39] hahah [20:40] lose the banner as well - good with that [20:40] knome if you can make the logo link to x.org ... [20:40] and extra cookie :D [20:40] mmm [20:41] \o/ [20:41] a thoughtful mmm :) [20:41] flocculant: ok, it can be installed easily [20:42] from the desktop icon yes [20:43] no, from the try/install window [20:44] Nairwolf: you just said it failed? [20:46] flocculant, you owe me 2 cookies [20:46] firstly, I said I failed to install Xerial Final by clicking on "Install Xubuntu" [20:46] ...once the page saves [20:46] Now, I've succeded [20:46] knome: impossible [20:46] BUT... did you say (you or someone else) that the swap bug was solved ? [20:47] I only offered 1 :D [20:47] flocculant, and done :d [20:47] Because I've met it again [20:47] oh, you said extra cookie [20:47] davmor2: ^^ swap bug met Nairwolf [20:47] knome: bah :| [20:47] :D [20:47] anyway, not sure i copied all the commenty stuff correctly [20:48] you might want to check you are okay with the order [20:48] the logo is that one table line [20:48] ..you'll figure out [20:48] flocculant: yes it will be fixed in this iso that has been spun up yet [20:48] knome: I will happily get your address and send you 2 cookies - I might send 3 so you can all have 1 each :) [20:48] haha [20:48] davmor2: oh yea ... sorry matey [20:48] you think i'm going to share my hard earned cookies with others? [20:49] Nairwolf: we're waiting a respin with some fixes in it - including that one [20:49] knome: yea ofc - sharing is caring ;) [20:49] Nairwolf: stop testing the broken iso, there will be a new one later that has all the fixes that were worked on today, those fix most of the issue in the image you currently have :) [20:50] davmor2: thanks :) [20:51] ok, davmor2. Badly, it's too late for me to wait the new build. I will try it tomorrow. [20:51] good night guys [20:51] Nairwolf: thanks for your help :) [20:55] didn't ochosi say the thunar bugs are likely related to glib changing? [20:55] we could probably mention that, to make people a bit less angry at thunar [20:55] * knome thinks damage management [20:58] krytarik: Hah! Fun times in the seed: http://paste.openstack.org/show/ig8AuYEZofhOjUqYuDmS/ :D [21:00] Unit193: LOL - #fail. [21:05] knome: you about still? [21:05] yup [21:05] can you double check a rapid send mail to -dev please :) [21:06] sure [21:07] sent [21:07] it's 1/2/3 I need to ensure [21:07] pleia2: you about for a last minute social thing? [21:08] flocculant, put this in a pad and i'll edit there so you can copy easier [21:08] flocculant: if you give me something to copy/paste, yes :) [21:09] we need another active admin for g+/fb [21:09] * knome is not volunteering [21:09] * knome only touches fb with a long pole [21:09] and even then only from the API side [21:10] knome: man that is just wrong, I mean at least call him a Tall Pole ;) [21:10] flocculant, too late, http://pad.ubuntu.com/J7xon1C6Yz [21:10] no edits done yet though [21:10] oke [21:11] pleia2: yup - just writing the thing now ... [21:11] kind of trying to get ahead of -release for a thing or 2 [21:13] sigh linebreaks [21:13] knome: just so you know - it was the content of 1 -3 not how it looks : ) [21:14] krytarik: Feature: no-follow-recommends also seems to be a no-op. [21:14] flocculant, i know but i can't also do anything about wanting it to look good :D [21:14] ha ha [21:14] isn't 2) really 1b) ? [21:14] or [21:14] we can put it another way [21:15] no - really want people to see things I'm lokking for [21:16] a very specific group would see 2 [21:17] germinate simply isn't flexible enough to do this.. [21:23] flocculant, happy with it [21:24] wait [21:24] that one paragraph is still odd [21:24] .... [21:24] ok, goof [21:24] hhh [21:24] good [21:24] if you sent, was no biggie :P [21:26] pleia2 knome - late social shouts > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2016-April/011133.html [21:26] frankly - don't care what text you use - but "really urgent last call" in the title works :) [21:26] thanks and apologies pleia2 :) [21:27] and tweeted [21:27] https://twitter.com/Xubuntu/status/722899426050596869 [21:27] thanks knome :) [21:28] np [21:28] can't we just support Xubuntu for 1 day? [21:28] hah [21:28] :D [21:29] my only real issue now is making sure we can SRU thunar fixes [21:29] if we can't then it makes a mockery of LTS [21:29] why couldn'y we? [21:29] t too [21:29] *opinion* [21:29] We definitely can [21:30] bluesabre: hey :) [21:30] *onion* [21:30] Yay [21:30] bluesabre: I thought we could - just making QA position completely clear *before* I end up ticking yes :D [21:30] hoora [21:31] +y [21:31] bluesabre: and you should get mrsBluesabre to read -offtopic :p [21:31] bluesabre: Qa getting excuses in early [21:33] bbiab [21:33] bluesabre: or http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?s=xubuntu [21:33] check out the image ;) [21:33] posted [21:34] pleia2: awesome - thanks :) [21:35] bbluesabiabre [21:35] the My Nut squirrel is my new desktop image <3 [21:36] knome: if you're still logged in, want to retweet this? https://twitter.com/omgubuntu/status/722722043771297793 [21:37] pleia2, done [21:38] ty [21:39] pleia2: I like the "My Nut by bluesabreWife is the best" especially when " doesn't represent my current work2 -offtopic comment :) [21:40] flocculant, she should know better nuts are always fashionable :d [21:40] :) [21:41] at least for 49.9999999999% of the population :) [21:42] hah [21:42] back now [21:42] bluesabre: ...Is it worth it to try and get them to move bluez and snapd out of desktop-common? [21:43] Unit193: could be [21:43] welcome back bluesabre - I actually appear to be smiling now - cat run off [21:43] I'd +1 moving bluetooth out [21:43] Maybe if we can get Lubuntu on board too. :P [21:44] if I've got to installl a browser - why would I want that [21:44] Unit193: maybe Mate too [21:44] Mate wants snapd at least. [21:44] they're looking at a core thing too [21:44] mmm [21:44] bit ambivalent there [21:45] maybe snapd is useful in core [21:45] install 'a thing' alone - not loads of 'fluff' [21:45] *shrug* [21:46] * flocculant could of course have the wrong idea on snap and be takne in by adverts [22:14] knome: added last para [22:24] !team | assume smoketesting is all cool - please test thunar for us, thanks :) [22:24] assume smoketesting is all cool - please test thunar for us, thanks :): akxwi-dave, bluesabre, dkessel, flocculant, jjfrv8, knome, krytarik, micahg, Noskcaj, ochosi, pleia2, slickymaster and Unit193 [22:32] * genii cheers [22:34] * flocculant joins in cos something built :) [22:58] huzzah! [23:01] ha ha [23:02] bluesabre: I WILL chek [23:02] flocculant is starting the release festivities early [23:03] * flocculant is starting the QA can't do sod all now festivities now thing [23:03] blaming [23:04] ummm ... [23:04] website \o/ [23:08] safe target [23:08] yup [23:09] :P [23:09] bluesabre: anyway - quilck look at wiki note please, change catfish/mugshot if you want - off now [23:19] flocculant: will do [23:20] bluesabre: ack - sleep for me [23:20] nighty [23:21] bluesabre- ochosi I know that when -release start shouting for acks it's going to be me who has to trigger it [23:22] so can I please have either a +1 or -1 from bluesabre AND ochosi before I do that :) [23:23] I'm pretty much +/-0 atm :) [23:25] bluesabre ochosi ha - see - release now lol [23:37] bluesabre: we're about 5 hours ahead here [23:37] I'm always a few hours behind ;) [23:38]