[00:00] <alfi2070> hi
[00:01] <alfi2070> hello
 Hi
[00:11] <tux|dude> 16.04 is just round the corner yay
[00:11] <tux|dude> What day is it coming out?
 21
[00:11] <tux|dude> Oh lol
[00:11] <tux|dude> That's today in my country
[00:12] <tux|dude> I'm guessing that's murican time though I expect it will go live later today
 still the 20th here
 ETC something
[00:13] <tux|dude> Current date in UTC/ETC apparently is 13 minutes past midnight
[00:13] <tux|dude> So the 21st seems to have just started there
[00:15] <hazamonzo> telegram1: oh can you?
[00:15] <hazamonzo> I didn't realise that
[00:16] <hazamonzo> telegram1: Oh thats useful. Thanks!
[00:58] <mparillo> Yes, generally the release is around 2300 UTC.
[01:01] <tux|dude> So an hour before midnight on utc
[01:03] <tux|dude> So that's 11am tomorrow in my time. Damn
[01:03] <mparillo> That seems to be their track record. If you want to watch closely, go to #ubuntu-release. But generally by the afternoon UTC, the Release Candidate is the same md5sum as the final.
[01:03] <tux|dude> I see, thanks
[01:10] <chron1cle> does upgrading to the release candidate and then turning off pre-release updates cause any issues?
[01:16] <mparillo> I never upgrade. I backup my user data (my real data, not all of $HOME) fresh install, install the other programs I want, and restore my user data.
[01:22] <claydoh> I both upgrade and clean install. My PC has been upgraded since at least raring, and actually the drive in it was originally in my old laptop.
[01:24] <claydoh> my daily driver is usually a clean install but I usually run dev releases
[01:24] <claydoh> on it
[01:25] <claydoh> chron1cle: it should be fine to do that.
[01:29] <mparillo> Yes, claydoh, running dev releases is kinda like rolling (every six months).
[01:30] <mparillo> And more pleasant community than the well-known rolling distro.
[01:30] <claydoh> mparillo: more like every 3 or less, in my own use case as I test on my daily driver laptop
[01:30] <claydoh> and the company is very pleasant ;)
[01:31] <claydoh> rather the community
[01:33] <chron1cle> talked me in to it
[03:00] <justin__> Hi there. I just installed Kubuntu 16.04 and I'm having screen tearing issues - it's most noticable when scrolling on a webpage. My GPU is an Intel HD 4600. Any ideas?
[03:01] <justin__> I did not have any tearing issues with Unity, GNOME Shell or Xfce with Compton. SO it seems like a Kwin compositor issue. Do I need to run Compton like I did with Xfce to fix it?
[06:01] <Piyu> Hi
[06:02] <Piyu> I need to know some OS level difference between ubuntu and Kubuntu?
[06:03] <chron1cle> kubuntu has KDE as the desktop environment and ubuntu has unity/gtk. otherwise same 'foundation' so to speak.
[06:04] <Piyu> Is there only difference of Desktop envirnoment?
[06:05] <chron1cle> well there are different default packages. use all of the KDE apps like kmail for email, konsole for terminal etc.
[06:07] <Piyu> ok
[06:07] <chron1cle> pretty much QT apps instead of GTK apps but you can install gtk stuff if you want.
[06:07] <hateball> You can run everything side by side, and you can choose DE on session login if you want
[06:08] <Piyu> Can you please tell me that why should I use this as i am already using ubnntu?
[06:08] <viewer|74580> ellow
[06:08] <chron1cle> Matter of preference. KDE imho is miles better than unity. :)
[06:09] <Piyu> ok
[06:09] <hateball> Matter of preference indeed.
[06:09] <chron1cle> not sure off hand but if you have ubuntu you can install all the kde packages and run it that way
[06:09] <hateball> Piyu: You don't need to reinstall or anything if you already have Ubuntu installed, you can just "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[06:09] <viewer|74580> anyone who knows when the download will be up for 16.04 ?
[06:09] <hateball> and then you are able to choose between plasma and unity at login
[06:09] <chron1cle> though last time i tried that i had some broken configs trying to switch between unity and kde. was easier just to run kubuntu
[06:09] <Piyu> ok
[06:10] <hateball> Yes there is some conflict with some IM packages
[06:10] <chron1cle> viewer|74580: last I saw 2100 utc i think?
[06:10] <viewer|74580> kewl :D thnx
[06:10] <chron1cle> 2300 maybe
[06:11] <valorie> !release
[06:12] <Piyu> where I got the option of choosing between KDE and Unity after installaion it on my ubuntu
[06:13] <chron1cle> logout, and then you can change session in the little drop down
[06:13] <chron1cle> haven't used ubuntu in a long time so not sure where the drop down is anymore :/
[06:14] <chron1cle> was hoping to play with amdgpu but r9 390 :C however I didn't see much about it but the radeon driver seems to have gotten about 35% faster in the newer version. Any one got info on that?
[06:15] <valorie> !radeon
[06:15] <valorie> might have some info for you, chron1cle
[06:15] <chron1cle> ty
[06:16] <hateball> chron1cle: amdgpu driver is in the kernel in 16.04
[06:17] <chron1cle> yah doesn't work on gcn 1.1 though apparently so lsmod is showing radeon only unless im looking at this wrong
[06:17] <chron1cle> did find on arch wiki that you can compile kernel with a different flag to get it to work but its not stable apparently
[06:21] <Poke95> Too many aurelie...
[07:20] <viewer|7327> hey guys, today is the LTS release, right?
[07:22] <valsum> right
[07:22] <viewer|7327> nice!
[07:25] <viewer|10098> When they will release the 16.04=
[07:25] <viewer|10098> ?
[07:26] <viewer|7327> today
[07:26] <viewer|10098> I know
[07:26] <viewer|10098> But what time
[07:26] <mikkle> between 12:00 and 23:59:59
[07:26] <viewer|10098> hahaha
[07:27] <viewer|10098> okok
[07:27] <mikkle> If you download a daily image it'll be the same, I'd guess
[07:28] <viewer|10098> How do i download a daily image?
[07:28] <hateball> !daily
[07:29] <hateball> viewer|10098: do you already have 14.04 or 15.10 installed?
[07:29] <hateball> In such case you can do-release-upgrade -d, or you could just... wait.
[07:34] <luis__> how do i chat?
[07:34] <viewer|7327> you do it
[07:34] <luis__> sweet
[07:35] <luis__> this is so much fun, i can hardly keep up with all the conversation
[07:35] <valsum> this is the support channel sorry
[07:35] <luis__> ok, understood. where do i go from here?
[07:35] <valsum> there are lots of other chats
[07:36] <valsum> for instance #kubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-offtopic or you can /list the server channels
[07:36] <valorie> luis__: not many people still awake, or not awake yet.....
[09:10] <sabbir2world> When 16.04 coming? :o
[09:11] <hateball> !party | sabbir2world
[09:22] <viewer|67601> when will kubuntu 16.04 be ready to download
[09:22] <viewer|67601> ?
[09:23] <sabbir2world> In 2020 join #ubuntu-release-party
[09:40] <user|92185> Hi everyone!
[09:41] <soee_> hiho
[09:42] <user|92185> Does anyone know if there is a defined hour for the new kubuntu release?
 I believe it will be 23:00 UTC
[09:43] <user|92185> -_- that's almost day 22
[09:43] <user|92185> Thank you
[09:44] <user|5508> hello
[09:44] <user|5508> when will kbuntu 16.04 realesd today??
[09:44] <soee_> hiho
[09:44] <soee_> user|5508: when Canonical decide to release it :)
[09:45] <soee_> !party
[09:45] <user|5508> okay thax xDD
[09:45] <user|5508> is kbuntu offical supported from ubuntu?
[09:45] <user|5508> *cononical
[09:45] <soee_> no, i don't think so
[09:46] <user|5508> i hate unity but i love kde
[09:46] <user|5508> i dont know why ubuntu dosnt use gnome anmore
[09:46] <sabbir2world> welcome to the KDE group then xD
[09:46] <user|5508> unity is crap -.-
[09:46] <sabbir2world> and boring
[09:46] <user|5508> jop
 Hi there visitors
[09:47] <sabbir2world> I would rather use Ubuntu Mate instead of that boring Ubuntu unity 7 :'(
[09:48] <user|5508> me too but mate is for older pc
[09:48] <user|5508> and i have a new i7 pc
[09:48] <soee_> well i am on Kubuntu for few years now and i can't imagine switching to something different ;)
[09:49] <user|5508> i am not sure if i will use kde or gnome
[09:49] <user|5508> i dont know what is better
[09:49] <sabbir2world> use KDE :)
[09:50] <user|5508> hahah okay :D
[09:50] <user|5508> do you have used gnome?
[09:51] <user|5508> i dont like this creappyy icons of gnome
[09:51] <user|5508> i will use kde
[09:51] <user|5508> :D
[09:52] <soee_> use what you liek more and is better for you :)
[09:55] <sabbir2world> use kde, better customization than unity :)
[10:23] <g4z> "i dont like this creappyy icons of gnome. i will use kde" ... haha
[10:24] <sabbir2world> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/16.04/release/
[10:24] <sabbir2world> I think it is out guys !
[10:26] <Smurphy> Go go go .... Download and install it ...
[10:26] <Smurphy> Then come back (if you can) and report if everything works as expected ! :D
[10:45] <Adrian> Hello!
[10:46] <Guest55887> Hello!
[10:46] <soee_> hiho
[10:46] <hateball> Hello, do you have a support question?
[10:47] <Guest55887> the canonical going ubuntu 16.04 today?
[10:47] <Guest55887> My English is bad
[10:48] <soee_> Guest55887: yes
[10:48] <Guest55887> Nice
[10:49] <Guest55887> Im waiting
[10:49] <hateball> !party | Guest55887
[10:50] <Guest55887> Thanks!
[10:57] <sabbir2world> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/16.04/release/
[10:57] <sabbir2world> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases/16.04/release/
[10:57] <sabbir2world> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/16.04/release/
[10:57] <sabbir2world> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/mythbuntu/releases/16.04/release/
[10:57] <sabbir2world> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/releases/16.04/release/
[10:57] <sabbir2world> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntukylin/releases/16.04/release/
[10:57] <sabbir2world> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mate/releases/16.04/release/
[11:00] <aakash> I want to know that y my moun updater is not working
[11:21] <Toomy> Hi, do we know if Kubuntu 16.04 is beeing released today?
[11:21] <ikonia> Toomy: you'll see it on the web page
[11:22] <hateball> !xenial
[11:22] <ikonia> Toomy: and the mailing lists when the anouncement it made
[11:22] <Toomy> thanks
[11:39] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:54] <MikeDenmark43> MiaSWs
[11:54] <MikeDenmark43> what time do you expect i can download 16.04 today?
[11:54] <MikeDenmark43> MiaSWs
[11:54] <MikeDenmark43> what time do you expect i can download 16.04 today? MiaSWs
[11:54] <MikeDenmark43> what time do you expect i can download 16.04 today?
[11:54] <MikeDenmark43> MiaSWs
[11:54] <MikeDenmark43> what time do you expect i can download 16.04 today?
[12:02] <viewer|53081> alguien sabe de alguna solucion para el kernel 4.4 y el hdmi?
[12:04] <BluesKaj> !es | viewer|53081
[12:05] <viewer|53081> ok thanks
[12:21] <user|99661> Hello Guys
[12:21] <user|99661> do you know when will 16.04 be released?
[12:21] <user|99661> at what time?
[12:24] <soee> user|99661: officialy ?
[12:24] <soee> the final images are already released: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/16.04/release/
[12:25] <user|99661> yeah
[12:25] <user|99661> for automatic update
[12:25] <clivejo> soee: they are released when Mark Stuttleworth says they are and not a moment before!
[12:25] <user|99661> ehhehehehe
[12:25] <user|99661> ok
[12:26] <user|99661> so, lets wait for US time zone guys to wake up
 http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop is not updated yet
[12:30] <today> hello - when today the new KUBUNTU 16.04 LTS will be released?
[12:30] <hateball> !xenial | today
[12:39] <today> ok...today which time?
[12:39] <today> i mean UTC time
[12:39] <today> as we all live in different time zones around the globe ;-)
[12:41] <hateball> today: when it is ready
[12:43] <today> @hateball ... please try to answer the "ubuntu" way
[12:43] <today> so an adequate manner would be
[12:43] <hateball> That's the official answer afaik
[12:43] <today> "we are still working on it, please give us some time"
[12:43] <hateball> Heh
[12:44] <today> "ubuntu" in African cutures is a bout respect and good-heartedness
[12:44] <today> "we are still working on it, please give us some time"
[12:44] <today> is muh more social competent ;-)
[12:44] <today> much
 All  of us are working on our Ubuntu
 Understanding its African meaning is a great step in the right direction
[12:47] <chron1cle> do-release-upgrade -d easy fix for waiting
[12:50] <hans_c> anyone using Kubuntu 16.04 noticed strange issues with the favourites menu?
[12:51] <AceKing> Is it possible to upgrade from 14.04 directly  to 16.04?
[12:51] <hateball> AceKing: Yes
[12:51] <hateball> It is in fact the only supported upgrade path
[12:52] <AceKing> hateball thanks
[12:52] <hans_c> like a chrome shortcut changing to a firefox shortcut, or is it a new browser war?  ;-)
[12:54] <chron1cle> mine seems to be working ok. there's a graphical bug on the application switcher in the panel where it draws a rectangle behind the words some times for me but thats all ive seen so far.
[12:57] <hans_c> this weird thing with the KDE menu is the only thing I noticed so far.
[13:06] <Toomy> !isitout
[13:06] <user|99661> do-release-upgrade -d entered
[13:06] <user|99661> waiting for update
[13:08] <Smurphy> You guys let me know how it goes :D
[13:18] <XLutTiY> 1
[13:27] <Toomy> !isitout
[13:27] <soee> :)
[13:31] <excognac> hi all. What is the best way to test if i have right drivers for my hardware? Yet again I made huge mistake purchasing a laptop, not quite designed for linux. I run 15.10, it's a 64-bit system with glitches of core i5 and 8 gig ram, AMD radeon etc. the system seems never to use swap, wwhy is that?
[13:32] <popey> excognac: linux tends to only "use" swap when it's under tight memory pressure
[13:33] <excognac> popey: thanks
[13:33] <popey> using the open source amd driver?
[13:33] <Smurphy> excognac: Linux is very good in using what it has. Won't need more.
[13:33] <Smurphy> You can imagine how my linux feels in 16GB on my system :)
[13:36] <excognac> popey: it's using X . org x server, i think it's the propeatary. i have the options for fglrx
[13:38] <hateball> fglrx goes away in 16.04, it is replaced by amdgpu
[13:39] <soee> laptop is nice except radeon on the board, it is known that amd does not have good drivers :/
[13:39] <jonathan_zz> I am using K3B to directly burn some files to disc. The disc is ~8GB dual layer DVD and I burn about 6GB. Almost exactly halfway, I get a write error. What is going on?
[13:39] <jonathan_zz> It says: :-[ WRITE@LBA=184410h failed with SK=5h/INVALID ADDRESS FOR WRITE]: Invalid argument
[13:40] <jonathan_zz> Just before I tried to do a background copy which caused both device and software buffer to hit almost zero.
 <hans_c>: the default favourites menu links to the system default browser what ever you have configured it to be
[13:41] <jonathan_zz> The device (external writer) suddenly stopped doing anything.
[13:41] <excognac> yeah, I cannot wait for the LTS, hate to mess around on different distros. I'm happy to live with the same OS for a few years. Shall I try to set up and debug everything now (e.g. sound), or just wait a few weeks for LTS then for the know bugs concerning upgrade process?
[13:41] <jonathan_zz> I can try another burner but I worry the same thhing is going to happen again.
[13:42] <excognac> soee: yeah, I should have bought a thinkpad not this glitchy idepad
[13:43] <BluesKaj> jonathan_zz, you could try wodim in the terminal
[13:43] <excognac> jonathan_zz: what's the error message?
[13:43] <soee> i have Dell Inspiron for 2 years and i had no slingle problem with it :)
[13:43] <soee> *oh maybe sometimes with prime
[13:44] <BluesKaj> jonathan_zz, run wodim --devices to get the dev name then try this:  wodim -eject  -tao speed=0 dev=/dev/sg1 -v -data /my/directory/image.iso
[13:45] <excognac> why I'm spamming here questions, is cos right after booting up and logging on, the system seems to be pretty slow, firefox has to restore everything always etc. also, upon booting all 4 processors seems to be really busy (40%+ each)
[13:45] <BluesKaj> sub your device name for the /dev/sdg1 in the string, jonathan_zz
[13:47] <jonathan_zz> well mkisofs suddenly quit. I'm trying to found out if it quit while changing layers.
[13:47] <jonathan_zz> /dev/sr1: splitting layers at 1573440 blocks -- I don't know how big the blocks are.
[13:49] <BluesKaj> I've had trouble with k3b since 14.04 so I gave up on iand use wodim which rarely fails IME
[13:49] <BluesKaj> gav up on it that is
[13:50] <BluesKaj> needs more coffee
[13:52] <jonathan_zz> If I assume the block size is 2k, the number matches, and it failed moments after changing layer.
[13:53] <jonathan_zz> BluesKaj: I'll first have to make an ISO that way
[13:53] <jonathan_zz> does K3B use temp space if you burn directly?
[13:54] <jonathan_zz> I wonder if I caused it with the buffer underruns
[13:54] <jonathan_zz> I just executed a cp for something large but immediately both buffers would drop to 0
[13:55] <jonathan_zz> that means I can't do anything on my system while burning
[13:57] <BluesKaj> jonathan_zz, I'm sure it will buffer if you do something while burning, but not until
[13:59] <yossarianuk> hi - I take it kubuntu 16.04 will also be able to use snappy packages (being the same base)?
[13:59] <soee> yes
[14:00] <yossarianuk> cool - I ask as mozilla are offerig snappy packages for firefox - https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2016/04/21/firefox-default-browser-for-linux-users-ubuntu-new-snap-format-coming-soon/
[14:00] <yossarianuk> would not anppy be good for doing plasma-backports ?
[14:01] <yossarianuk> *snappy*
[14:07] <jonathan_zz> I have 3 external DVD writers in my home. Suddenly I cannot find the other two :(/.
[14:07] <jonathan_zz> :(.
[14:07] <yossarianuk> noticed some mirrors have the final .iso in now....
[14:10] <jonathan_zz> I will use K3B to make an image first and then burn it to another writer, then see what happens.
[14:10] <Euvius> 16.04?
[14:10] <chron1cle> usb stick?
[14:12] <chron1cle> been so long since i used a disc my dvd drive gets stuck and doesn't want to open
[14:14] <jonathan_zz> but I rather doubt it's a good thing if the buffers approach zero.
[14:14] <jonathan_zz> and I don't know how to put my CP at lower IO priority
[14:26] <xnn> Hi, is there a eta for xubuntu 16.04  official download?
[14:27] <xnn> ^kubuntu ^^
[14:28] <marco-parillo> It is already out, but not official
[14:31] <jonathan_zz> no error yet this time
[14:32] <Ruedii> Hello, I hate to ask the question everyone has obviously been asking all day, but how's the progress on the 16.04 release?
 Progressing well,
 IIRC Release is 23:00 UTC
 so I heard
[14:34] <Ruedii> Thanks.  I suspect they never got rid of the image over 1GB bug, or is that what is taking so long? (brute force compression.)  My flash drives are all over 1GB anyway.
[14:34] <equinox_> 16.04 's released since few hours
[14:35] <jonathan_zz> tar: john: file changed as we read it -- how do I deal with that?
[14:35] <equinox_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/16.04/release/
[14:35] <jonathan_zz> if the thing had just continued everything would have been fine, now another hour wasted so to speak.
[14:36] <Ruedii> So wait, it's only the images that have the wait.  So, I should be able to pull the update already if I'm an upgrading.  OK.  I'll go prepare to upgrade.  First thing, remove FGLRX and X-Edgers.
[14:36] <Ruedii> Wish they'd publish that on the news.  (Packages being up and all, building images as we speak.)
[14:39] <jonathan_zz> this is painful, was just creating a backup of my home dir, and now it won't work if any file changes while doing it.
[14:40] <Ruedii> I'm so happy to be moving to the new, functional mesa tree.   Hopefully X-SWAT will get 11.2 releases out quickly and X-Edgers will do the same with 11.3-GIT tree Kang builds Either 11.2+GIT or 11.3-GIT
[14:41] <jonathan_zz> all of that means nothing to me ;-).
[14:41] <dinepada> hi
 Hi There
[14:47] <dinepada> hi
[14:47] <dinepada> anyone tried te 16.04
[14:50] <viewer|96720> when is 16.04 being released, the website still shows download link for 15.10
 UTC 23:00
[14:50] <viewer|96720> ty
[14:51] <dinepada> today but the website says the older version for now
[14:53] <Artemis3> viewer|96720, can you torrent?
[14:53] <Ruedii> The images aren't ready for 16.04 yet.   However, since the packages are up in the Ubuntu database you can upgrade a 15.04 or 15.10 system.
[14:53] <viewer|96720> yes I can torrent
[14:54] <xnn> whats about this image http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/16.04/release/ ?
[14:54] <Ruedii> Oh, BTW if you want me to get the torrent release up on LinuxTracker.org just pop me up a message.
[14:54] <Artemis3> xnn, the images are ready, they just unannounced
[14:55] <xnn> so ruedii is incorrect ?
[14:55] <Artemis3> xnn, do you see .torrent there? use those
[14:55] <Ruedii> mistaken.
[14:55] <xnn> ok, no there a no torrents
[14:56] <Artemis3> be sure to use the torrents
[14:56] <jonathan_zz> so much hypernoia.
[14:56] <Artemis3> so you don't melt the server
[14:56] <xnn> ok, there is a torrent file ,)
[15:03] <viewer|28682> hi guys i need your help. i was running the previous LTS, and i upgraded to the new one released today. when i boot into the OS it now forces me to stay in a black terminal like view
[15:04] <viewer|28682> asks me for my username via CL, then for my pass
[15:04] <viewer|28682> when i login it just sits me at this CL
 Please try login as your account
[15:04] <viewer|28682> i dont know what to do and i cant lose all of my data on that OS :(
 then could you try startx
[15:04] <viewer|28682> startx ok
[15:04] <viewer|28682> will that start the GUI side of the OS?
 I hope so
[15:05] <Artemis3> viewer|28682, you can always boot a live iso and backup your data if you are worried
[15:05] <viewer|28682> ok. i had to boot into ubuntu in order to get online to ask for help
[15:06] <viewer|28682> i'll be back and see if that worked
[15:06] <Artemis3> viewer|28682, then you can backup your data now
 OK
[15:10] <viewer|28682> hi guys i am back
[15:10] <viewer|28682> and using another laptop while im booted into KDE
[15:11] <viewer|28682> i ran startx
[15:11] <viewer|28682> screen goes blank for a while then a bunch of stuff is on CL
[15:11] <viewer|28682> current version of pximan: 0.33.6
[15:11] <viewer|28682> failed to set IOPL for I/) (operation not permitted)
[15:11] <excognac> viewer|28682: hi. on the one there is no GUI try to press ctrl+alt +F=
[15:12] <viewer|28682> xinit: connection to X server lost
[15:12] <viewer|28682> control alt F = doesnt do anything
[15:13] <excognac> viewer|28682: sorry i meant ctrl+alt+F7
[15:14] <viewer|28682> still nothing. keep in mind i am in a CL interface at this point
[15:14] <viewer|28682> i have logged in with my user and pass
[15:14] <excognac> viewer|28682: backup your data!
[15:14] <viewer|28682> how can i back it up if i can't get into the OS GUI
[15:15] <Artemis3> viewer|28682, i would guess your video card is important
[15:15] <viewer|28682> can i roll back the upgrade in this screen to go back to previous LTS i was running?
[15:15] <Artemis3> if you want to backup, boot any live iso
[15:16] <viewer|28682> do i use the same ISO of the previous LTS i was using, or the new LTS?
[15:16] <viewer|28682> would me reviewing the log file help here?
[15:16] <excognac> viewer|28682: any. probably the old LTS is better
[15:17] <viewer|28682> i guess i am confused how i would be able to access the data for this OS if i am booting into a new ISO file
[15:17] <Artemis3> boot and youll see :)
[15:17] <viewer|28682> fair enough
[15:17] <Artemis3> its usually a simple click
[15:17] <viewer|28682> k let me start that download then of the ISO file
[15:18] <Artemis3> don't you have the iso already?
[15:18] <Artemis3> did you not use ubuntu iso?
[15:18] <viewer|28682> i have to boot into ubuntu to do everything now instead of kubuntu
[15:18] <Artemis3> use that
 I think its an upgrade
[15:18] <viewer|28682> i was using kubuntu LTS 14 that was partiioned on my laptop
[15:18] <viewer|28682> then i ran upgrade
[15:18] <viewer|28682> it restarted
[15:18] <viewer|28682> and now im sitting at a CL
[15:19] <excognac> viewer|28682: how did you do the upgrade? from GUI?
[15:19] <Ruedii> Looks like someone already beat me to uploading it on Linuxtracker
[15:19] <viewer|28682> i went to the site and it said to run a command
[15:19] <viewer|28682> one sec
[15:19] <Artemis3> use the kubuntu 16.04 iso to test if there are problems before performing an upgrade, i think you might need to solve gpu issues
[15:20] <viewer|28682> i ran this kubuntu-devel-release-upgrade
[15:20] <Artemis3> it doesnt matter at this point
[15:20] <Artemis3> if you already did it
[15:20] <Artemis3> you could lspci to see what video you have
[15:20] <Artemis3> or lshw
[15:21] <Artemis3> but its easier to backup/reinstall of course
[15:21] <Artemis3> but boot the live iso first
[15:21] <Artemis3> if that fails it might be pointless
[15:23] <viewer|28682> i run lspci and i see i have vga compatable controller NVIDIA
[15:23] <Artemis3> which nvidia?
[15:23] <viewer|28682> one sec
[15:23] <Artemis3> it should show the model there
[15:23] <Artemis3> this might be simpler to solve after all...
[15:24] <viewer|28682> GF108GLM Quadro 1000M rev a1
[15:26] <viewer|28682> audio controller is NVIDID CORP GF108 High Def AUdio Conroller
[15:30] <viewer|28682> i also get this when i login: E: Error: BrokenCount > Orun-parts: /etc/update-motd.d/90-updates-available exited with return code 255
[15:30] <viewer|28682> however it does allow me to login and run commands so it isn't limiting my movement in the CL
[15:30] <Artemis3> oh
[15:31] <Artemis3> that probably doesn't hurt
[15:31] <viewer|28682> yeah thought it may be a warning but wanted to let you know anyway
[15:35] <Artemis3> viewer|28682, can you dpkg -l | grep nvidia ?
[15:36] <viewer|28682> is that a lowercase "L" or uppercase "I"?
 lower case L
 from list
[15:36] <Artemis3> evil font :3
[15:36] <viewer|28682> i run that and it just goes to a new CL line as if i didnt type anything in
 then you don't have any package containing nvidia installed
 run echo $?
[15:37] <Artemis3> indeed
 is it non 0 ?
[15:38] <viewer|28682> i type in echo $ and it prints $ on new line
 ....
[15:38] <viewer|28682> i am sorry i do not know what "non 0" means
 no
 never mind
[15:38] <BluesKaj> lspci | grep VGA , viewer|28682
[15:38] <Artemis3> that gpu is supported in 361 so should be fine to sudo apt-get install nvidia-361
[15:39] <viewer|28682> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controler: NVIDIA Corporation GF108GLM [Quadro 1000m] (rev a1)
 if grep receives no input from preceding command it returns an exit code different than 0. That means it (grep) failed. "echo $?" prints the exit code of the previously run command
 ? is part of the command
[15:40] <viewer|28682> oh sorry one sec then
[15:40] <viewer|28682> echo $? returns 0
[15:40] <Artemis3> well it would echo $ otherwise
[15:40] <Artemis3> but that doesnt matter :3
 forget the echo thing
 it was just a confirmation of the obvious
[15:41] <viewer|28682> should i try to run the install line?
[15:42] <Artemis3> sudo apt-get install nvidia-361
[15:42] <Artemis3> do it
[15:43] <viewer|28682> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem
[15:43] <viewer|28682> so i assume do that? :)
[15:43] <Artemis3> ok then do that as well
[15:43] <Artemis3> probably got interrumpted
[15:43] <BluesKaj> viewer|28682,  looks the recommended driver for your gpu is the nvidia-358
[15:43] <viewer|28682> that command is doing a lot of stuff!
[15:43] <Artemis3> BluesKaj, http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/101423/en-us
[15:44] <Artemis3> and 16.04 comes with 361 not 358
[15:44] <BluesKaj> Artemis3, http://www.ubuntumaniac.com/2015/11/install-nvidia-linux-display-driver_22.html
[15:44] <viewer|28682> it's saying the /etc/default/rcS has been modified since installation
[15:44] <viewer|28682> should i install the package mainter's version
[15:44] <viewer|28682> or keep my currently installed version
[15:45] <Artemis3> Y
[15:45] <Ruedii> Hey, quick question while I'm waiting on the first stage of the updates, does anyone know if the AMDGPU kernel driver is default for later RadeonSI/RadeonCI chips yet?  (R9-2xx series).
[15:45] <Artemis3> maintainer
[15:45] <viewer|28682> thanks
[15:45] <Artemis3> BluesKaj, old article is old :3
[15:46] <BluesKaj> the 361 doesn't work for a lot of gpus yet , not ready
[15:46] <BluesKaj> on 16.04
[15:46] <EvilRoey> hi
[15:46] <EvilRoey> oh hey BluesKaj :) :) :)
[15:46] <EvilRoey> how are you doing? blinkblinkblinkblink
[15:47] <Artemis3> BluesKaj, its bundled in the release, and official in the nvidia site.
[15:47] <Artemis3> ie. not beta, not pre-release.
[15:47] <Artemis3> http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/nvidia-361
[15:48] <Ruedii> Yeah, that article is old.  Try using the premade packages for nVidia cards, or use the proprietary driver panel.   If you want the latest beta nvidia drivers install X-Edgers.
[15:48] <Artemis3> 361.42 is current for both nvidia and ubuntu 16.04 release
[15:48] <Artemis3> there is no need to X-Edgers (and i don't recommend it)
[15:49] <Ruedii> I wouldn't recommend X-Edgers just yet either.   It's more stable than it used to be, but wait for the patches for the new stack first.
[15:49] <Artemis3> product model is clearly supported in the nvidia driver description
[15:49] <Artemis3> it should work out of the box for a fresh install
[15:49] <BluesKaj> Artemis3,  doesn't matterr it's not ready for kubuntu yet
[15:49] <Artemis3> but he had the upgrade interrumpted
[15:50] <viewer|28682> ok now i have something
[15:50] <viewer|28682> blue screen
[15:50] <Ruedii> Generally I switch to X-Edgers around the time the first backport stacks come through.
[15:50] <viewer|28682> a display manager is a program....
[15:50] <viewer|28682> default display should be KDE i assume?
[15:50] <viewer|28682> sorry
[15:50] <viewer|28682> KDM
[15:50] <Artemis3> what did you install 361 and rebooted already?
[15:50] <viewer|28682> no i ran the get dpkg command
[15:50] <viewer|28682> and now it takes me to package config
[15:50] <Artemis3> ah
[15:51] <Artemis3> answer the question
[15:51] <viewer|28682> i can type full message if you need it
[15:51] <Artemis3> nah
[15:51] <viewer|28682> k i'll pick KDM
[15:51] <Artemis3> no no
[15:51] <viewer|28682> ok
[15:51] <Artemis3> which other choices?
[15:51] <viewer|28682> sure
[15:51] <Artemis3> lightdm?
[15:51] <viewer|28682> has kdm, lightdm
[15:51] <viewer|28682> and sddm
[15:51] <Artemis3> hmm
[15:51] <Ruedii> LightDM or SDDM are the best choices.
[15:51] <Artemis3> let me chec
[15:51] <BluesKaj> sddm
[15:51] <Ruedii> SDDM is default.
[15:52] <Artemis3> yeah go with that
[15:52] <viewer|28682> ok
[15:52] <viewer|28682> thanks
[15:52] <Artemis3> newfangled thindies :)
[15:52] <viewer|28682> ok now back to normal CL installing lines...
[15:52] <viewer|28682> this is huge!
[15:52] <jonathan_zz> did they fix the issues in 361.28?
[15:52] <Artemis3> just the one told you
[15:52] <Artemis3> its .42 already
[15:53] <Artemis3> sudo apt-get install nvidia-361
[15:53] <viewer|28682> k one sec
[15:53] <Artemis3> its also bundled and shipped in the iso
[15:53] <viewer|28682> still going through auto stuff for dkpg
[15:53] <Artemis3> for good or bad, everyone gets that :)
[15:53] <viewer|28682> tons of setting up and updating going on over here
[15:53] <Ruedii> SDDM is one of those newfangled thingies for sure. In earlier versions it wasn't as good.  These days it's your best bet.
[15:54] <Ruedii> Earlier versions of SDDM just had more overhead, that's all.
[15:54] <Artemis3> yes i remember when they were picking another dm
[15:54] <Artemis3> just forgot the name ;)
[15:54] <Ruedii> LightDM is the old one they chose
[15:54] <Ruedii> KDM sucks.
[15:54] <EvilRoey> hey all
[15:54] <EvilRoey> so question
[15:55] <Ruedii> KDM is incompatable with other desktop environments.  Particularly MATE, XFCE, LXDE and GNOME.
[15:55] <EvilRoey> I bought a bluetooth headphone and receiver for my desktop.
[15:55] <Artemis3> its probably more that the old ones fail with systemd or such
[15:55] <EvilRoey> WHen I try to connect to it, I get "the device is unreachable"
[15:55] <EvilRoey> how can I diagnose this?
[15:55] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj:  ^
[15:56] <BluesKaj> EvilRoey, usb?
[15:56] <viewer|28682> ok that dpkg is finished
[15:57] <viewer|28682> i will run the sudo apt-get install nvidia
[15:57] <viewer|28682> sudo apt-get install nvidia-361  to be exact
[15:57] <Ruedii> SDDM initially installed all it's unnecessary network modules on local-only systems.  That got fixed in later versions.   LightDM works well, but it's no good for network systems due to security reasons.
[15:57] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj:  doesn't work over uSB I don't think
[15:57] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj:  it's bluetooth
[15:57] <BluesKaj> well good luck, hope it works , viewer|28682
[15:57] <viewer|28682> when i run that it starts out well
[15:58] <polaris> Is it possible to update to 16.04 from 14.04?
[15:58] <viewer|28682> then asks for additional disk space will be used i say Y
[15:58] <viewer|28682> then i get Errors
[15:58] <viewer|28682> failore resolving us.archive.ubuntu.com
[15:58] <Ruedii> polaris, I think you may need to upgrade to 15.04 first.
[15:58] <viewer|28682> ah one sec
[15:58] <viewer|28682> at bottom it says
[15:59] <BluesKaj> EvilRoey, the BT device/dongle/connection toyour pc?
[15:59] <polaris> Ruedii, ok thanks
[15:59] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj:  yes
[15:59] <viewer|28682> E; unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing
[15:59] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj:  and then the headphones are BT
[15:59] <viewer|28682> i will do the apt-get update
[15:59] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj:  I can /find/ the headphones through the Plasma taskbar applet
[15:59] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj:  when I try connecting to them, I get "the device is unreachable".
[16:00] <EvilRoey> BBIAB.
[16:00] <BluesKaj> EvilRoey,I'm not well informed about bluetooth audio
[16:00] <viewer|28682> i run sudo apt-get update and it returns errors about unable to reach us.archive.ubuntu.com again
[16:01] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj:  ahh I see
[16:01] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj:  well thanks for responding anyway! :)
[16:02] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj:  hint: you're my go-to person for kubuntu support
[16:02] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj:  because you're kind and patient
[16:02] <EvilRoey> anyway, I'll BBIAB for realz
[16:02] <BluesKaj> EvilRoey,try lsusb to find your BT dongle name
[16:02] <amichair> EvilRoey: do you have pulseaudio-module-bluetooth installed?
[16:03] <Artemis3> polaris, it SHOULD be possible
[16:03] <Artemis3> polaris, it might get active later tho
[16:03] <viewer|28682> wow ok so i run startx again, and this time i see the login page i assume for KDE and then it brings me back to the CL
[16:03] <Artemis3> upgrading LTS to LTS is supported officially
[16:03] <amichair> EvilRoey: I had a similar issue (though I don't remember the exact error message), and had to install pulseaudio-module-bluetooth and change some setting in /etc/pulse. I don't remember exactly :-/
[16:04] <Artemis3> polaris, i don't recommend you go to 15.04 or you will lose this chance
[16:05] <BluesKaj> heh,I keep forgetting about pulseaudio, since I don't use it.
[16:05] <Artemis3> pulse is used for bt headsets iirc
[16:05] <BluesKaj> it can be
[16:06] <Artemis3> i don't own any bt device :)
[16:06] <Artemis3> i like my wires
[16:07] <polaris> Artemis3: thank you for the response. By later you mean in the next few days?
[16:07] <amichair> EvilRoey: I used bluetoothctl and the steps in archlinux wiki for diagnosing bluetooth, and eventually found the culprit
[16:08] <Artemis3> if past experience repeat, yes, wait until you see it in the updates
[16:08] <viewer|28682> i run startx, then control+alt+F1 and still brings me back to the CL. however i DO see for a short second or two the new login screen i assume for plasma
[16:08] <viewer|28682> this is first i've seen that at this point
[16:08] <amichair> EvilRoey: hope that helps :-)
[16:08] <Artemis3> viewer|28682, why are you doing startx?
[16:08] <viewer|28682> doing that because it was suggested previously
[16:08] <viewer|28682> just to see if it worked
[16:09] <Artemis3> when you install nvidia, reboot and should work (tm)
[16:09] <viewer|28682> ok one sec
[16:09] <Artemis3> else, there is a problem
[16:09] <Artemis3> sddm handles the graphical login
[16:09] <viewer|28682> (fingers crossed)
[16:11] <viewer|28682> brings me to black screen with [    5.799778] i2400m_usb 2-1.5:1.0: WiMAX interface wmx0 (00:1d:e1:47:a0:72) ready
[16:11] <viewer|28682> printed at top and under it has blinking undescore
[16:12] <viewer|28682> i have an usb keyboard plugged into it not sure if that is why this is showing
[16:17] <viewer|28682> i hit control+alt+F1 it brings me back to the CL screen to login
[16:17] <viewer|28682> this time i dont see the error we saw earlier
[16:18] <viewer|28682> im running sudo apt-get update again to see if that fixes this
[16:18] <viewer|28682> that returned no errors
[16:18] <viewer|28682> i will reboot
[16:19] <Ksiu> Is 16.04 out?
[16:20] <viewer|28682> returns me to same screen with  [    5.799778] i2400m_usb 2-1.5:1.0: WiMAX interface wmx0 (00:1d:e1:47:a0:72) ready
[16:20] <BluesKaj> viewer|28682, after your grub boot and you get the blinking cursor drop to a VT/TTY , login at the prompt , then do , sudo systemctl enable sddm , then sudo systemctl start sddm , if nothing hapopens then run startx
[16:20] <viewer|28682> thanks one sec
[16:21] <viewer|28682> failed to excute, no such file or directory
[16:21] <viewer|28682> for sudo systemctl enable sddm BluesKaj
[16:23] <BluesKaj> did you install sddm?
[16:24] <viewer|28682> yeah i did that in the blue screen where it had me choose which one i wanted
[16:27] <viewer|28682> let me try this BluesKaj - http://linuxpitstop.com/install-sddm-on-ubuntu-15-04-and-linux-mint/
[16:28] <viewer|28682> ok so that worked it seemed
[16:28] <viewer|28682> i then run these two commands
[16:28] <viewer|28682> sudo systemctl enable sddm , then sudo systemctl start sddm
[16:28] <viewer|28682> and then it brings me to a blank white screen
[16:29] <viewer|28682> should i reboot?
[16:31] <BluesKaj> viewer|28682, sddm is in the repos
[16:31] <BluesKaj> why use an old ppa
[16:31] <viewer|28682> idk i was just going by the tutorial
[16:31] <BluesKaj> it's for 15.04
[16:32] <viewer|28682> oh i see
[16:32] <viewer|28682> should i run update then?
[16:32] <BluesKaj> remove the ppa , it will get yuou into trouble
[16:33] <viewer|28682> could you tell me how to do that?
[16:33] <BluesKaj> the update/upgrade
[16:33] <viewer|28682> ok just ran update, now doing upgrade
[16:34] <viewer|28682> ok upgrade is finished
[16:34] <viewer|28682> should i run the systemctl enable and start now?
[16:35] <BluesKaj> you should have wau=ited for my instructions first
[16:35] <BluesKaj> waited
[16:35] <viewer|28682> sorry
[16:36] <viewer|28682> im not sure how to remove the ppa
[16:37] <viewer|28682> k i ran startx and it now brings me to the login
[16:37] <viewer|28682> its not pushing me back to CL any longer
[16:37] <BluesKaj> viewer|28682, sudo nano /et/apt/sources.list  find the blue shell ppa and remove it from the file, then ctl+o , enter, ctl+x to save the file then update and upgrade again
[16:38] <viewer|28682> ok
[16:38] <BluesKaj> correction   /etc/apt/sources.list
[16:39] <viewer|28682> what is werid is i dont see the blue shell ppa listed here
[16:40] <acheron> if added with 'add-apt-repository' the ppa with have it's own seperate .list file in directory /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[16:40] <tyrog> Hi guys, Kubuntu isn't out yet?
[16:41] <viewer|28682> when i go to etc/apt/sources.list.d it shows blank file
[16:41] <viewer|28682> i am wondering if my previous update/upgrade didnt remove it for me?
[16:43] <acheron> doubtfull. you are on xenial?
[16:43] <viewer|28682> i believe so
[16:44] <viewer|28682> i just see security.ubuntu and us.archive.ubuntu lines thorughout
[16:44] <acheron> 'sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/blue-shell-ubuntu-sddm-xenial.list' should remove the ppa then
[16:44] <viewer|28682> ok one sec
[16:45] <viewer|63101> I believe we just went live
[16:45] <viewer|63101> 16.04 shown in download page
[16:45] <viewer|28682> k i run that command and brings me to next line with no message or anything
[16:45] <viewer|28682> just making sure that is intended acheron
[16:45] <Gargamel> Hi there. I am sure this question has been asked 20 times today.....
[16:45] <acheron> there are no xenial packages in that ppa anyway, so stay or go it's no big deal
[16:46] <BluesKaj> acheron, thanks for that
[16:46] <Gargamel> what time will the final version of 16.04 bereleased?
[16:46] <viewer|28682> ok so to clarify i should run update and then upgrade again at this point?
[16:46] <viewer|28682> ok it is removed
[16:47] <viewer|28682> i ran the command again and it says 'no such file'
[16:47] <acheron> correct
[16:47] <viewer|28682> so at this point i will run update and then upgrade
[16:47] <BluesKaj> yes viewer|28682 it should bring your sddm version up to date
[16:47] <viewer|28682> ok sorry about this...
[16:48] <viewer|28682> ok so nothing new has been installed/upgraded
[16:48] <viewer|28682> i should run startx or should i reboot?
[16:48] <acheron> Gargamel: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-16-04-lts-release-anouncement
[16:49] <BluesKaj> view reboot to see if sddm works
[16:49] <tyrog> It's here: https://kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/
[16:49] <BluesKaj> viewer|28682,^
[16:50] <viewer|28682> view reboot just opens up new file
[16:51] <Phlegethon> anyone know if amdgpu driver works out of the box?
[16:51] <viewer|28682> going to manually reboot now...
[16:51] <Phlegethon> got an r9 380 4gb
[16:52] <viewer|28682> sweet
[16:52] <viewer|28682> wow this is a huge improvement from 14 LTS
[16:52] <viewer|28682> let me see if dual display monitors will work
[16:54] <viewer|28682> i see the two monitors in system settings but the second monitor isnt turning on
[16:55] <viewer|28682> ok got it
[16:55] <viewer|28682> second monitor wasnt enabled
[16:56] <viewer|28682> BluesKaj and acheron and Artemis3 i owe you all so much!
[16:56] <viewer|28682> this upgrade is literally amazing and i have all of my files and programs in tact!
[16:56] <Artemis3> have fun
[16:56] <viewer|28682> i can't thank you all enough
[16:57] <viewer|28682> is there a donation option to the team?
[16:58] <BluesKaj> viewer|28682, yw
[16:59] <esse> 1
[16:59] <esse> o/
[16:59] <user|39166> when is kubuntu realeasd?
[16:59] <BluesKaj> guess they fixed the nvidia-361 bug , maybe now I can try it
[17:00] <BluesKaj> user|39166, http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-16-04-lts-release-anouncement
[17:00] <user|39166> how will kubuntu handle nvidia and intel gpu?
[17:00] <BluesKaj> user do you mean an optimis setup?
[17:00] <BluesKaj> user|39166,^
[17:00] <BluesKaj> optimus even
[17:00] <user|39166> yes
[17:01] <user|39166> will he use prime ?
[17:01] <BluesKaj> it should work fine with nvidia-prime in the mix
[17:01] <user|39166> thx
[17:02] <clivejo> viewer|28682: You can donate to either KDE or Ubuntu projects if you like the software - KDE ( https://www.kde.org/community/donations/ ) Ubuntu ( http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/contribute/ )
[17:02] <clivejo> or both :)
[17:04] <swipe-> How long before sudo do-release-upgrade works? I've updates sources but still getting "No new release found"
[17:05] <swipe-> updated*
[17:06] <BluesKaj> swipe-, add -d  at the end the release flag is delayed
[17:06] <user|39166> how nvidia prime works???
[17:07] <user|39166> whill kubuntu use only one gpu
[17:07] <user|39166> intel or nvidia?
[17:07] <swipe-> BluesKaj: thanks
[17:09] <user|39166> can some one help me?
[17:09] <user|39166> how nvidia prime work?
[17:10] <BluesKaj> user|39166, is it installed on you OS ,l it should be if youare running 15.10 or 16.04
[17:10] <user|39166> i dont use kubuntu now
[17:10] <user|39166> but how nvidia prime works??
[17:11] <user|39166> in linux mint i could sitch between intel or nvidia
[17:12] <soee> user|39166: same here, through Nevidia Settings panel you can do it
[17:12] <soee> or via command line
[17:12] <user|39166> okay thanksd
[17:22] <EvilRoey> amichair:  thanks so much!! I will try this at home!
[17:31] <todayRELEASE> hello - how is the process of release of KUBUNTU 16.04 going on, any news?
[17:32] <ikonia> todayRELEASE: I thought it had been released now
[17:32] <Artemis3> topic
[17:49] <todayRELEASE> thaaanks so it is done ;-)
[18:03] <amichair> can the iso be used to upgrade an existing system, or does apt have to re-download everything again?
[18:08] <BluesKaj> amichair, it can if you have separate / and /home partitions then installing the new iso to / and just setting the mountpoint for /home in the partitoner manually
[18:09] <amichair> BluesKaj: and how do I run the upgrade (not clean install)?
[18:12] <BluesKaj> well the above is considered a clean install of the OS m v=but all the config files and most default app settings will be retained using the above method, otherwise you can just update and full-upgrade , then run sudo do-release-upgrade, which will bring in the new release
[18:14] <amichair> BluesKaj: so the answer is no? you can't upgrade (not clean install) using the iso as a repo instead of apt downloading everything?
[18:17] <yofel> amichair: no you can't
[18:17] <amichair> too bad :-)
[18:27] <viewer|70052> Hi :) ! How can I upgrade my pc running kubuntu 15.10 as the official link https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XenialUpgrades/Kubuntu gives me "page not found" ?
[18:27] <anteru> Right
[18:27] <anteru> Also, muon doesn't see it yet - I guess it takes a while until it gets propagated to all mirrors?
[18:28] <anteru> Or is it safe to do a do-release-upgrade -d now, as that will update to the same thing?
[18:35] <kuseR> Hi. Kubuntu release 16.04 LTS is out. But from Muon 14.04 LTS, no upgrade is proposed. Any idea?
[18:38] <user|28651> what a useless piece of shit - thanks for an awesome 16.04 - I just went back to windows....
[18:39] <Pici> !ltsupgrade | kuseR
[18:40] <anteru> !ltsupgrade
[18:42] <polaris_> user|28651: What has disappointed you?
[18:47] <AciD`> hey, is Kubuntu 16.04 available now?
[18:54] <kuseR> ubotto: didnt know. Thanks for the information
[18:56] <kuseR> ubottu: I didnt know. Thanks for the information
[18:57] <soee> AciD`: yes
[19:07] <Basstard`> Ooh, crash with 16.04 liveCD on a ThinkPad X40 (forcepae). It did not even get to the desktop. plasmashell crashes.
[19:08] <soee> Basstard`: running in Virtual Machine or hw ?
[19:08] <Basstard`> soee: ThinkPad X40.
[19:09] <soee> Basstard`: yes yes, but are you running it in VirtualBox for example or directly fromr dc/dvd drive ?
[19:10] <Basstard`> soee: Directly.
[19:38] <swipe-> gutted that 16.04 breaks radotray :(
[19:39] <soee> how ?
[19:39] <soee> Basstard`: well i havent tired that so can't help much :/
[19:43] <clivejo> swipe-: what is radotray?
[19:46] <clivejo> !info radiotray xenial
[19:57] <Chaser> wohoo do-release-upgrade now shows 16.04.
[19:58] <clivejo> well fancy that!
[19:58] <clivejo> on released day too
[19:58] <Chaser> :)
[20:07] <swipe-> :)
[20:18] <clivejo> swipe-: you there?
[20:21] <keithzg> Hmm, well I was lazily putting off updating packages on my 14.04 desktop here at work and so there's a bunch to update now (hey, all the servers are set to automatic security updates and I check them regularly too! I'm not a delinquent sysadmin!) but I'm not seeing the dist update notification.
[20:21] <keithzg> Is 16.04's release still percolating through the mirrors?
[20:21] <steveire> Hey, I'm having trouble upgrading. When I run the upgrade tool I get this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15972626/ How can I get more information about what the problem is?
[20:23] <soee> van ou try executing the suggested command: ubuntu-bug ubuntu-release-upgrader-core
[20:23] <soee> !lts
[20:24] <keithzg> steveire: You could check /var/log/dist-upgrade/apt.log and see if it has anything seemingly applicable
[20:24] <soee> !ltsupgrade | keithzg
[20:24] <clivejo> keithzg: is the system being upgrade full up to date?
[20:25] <keithzg> clivejo: Oh it is now, I just remember being offered it well before in the past, but soee's info seems to answer my question.
[20:26] <clivejo> should still be able to force it if you want it
[20:26] <keithzg> Err, that is to say: I remember still having pending updates but being offered the next dist most times in the past.
[20:27] <keithzg> Yeah, honestly I go back to when the only reliable way was to chance the apt sources list, so I'm quite willing to just run update-manager from a VT or such ;) I just figured I'd check and do things as "normally" as possible in case I ran into problems that were meaningful to report.
[20:30] <clivejo> keith are you sure you have the latest versions of update-manager and update-manager-core?
[20:31] <keithzg> clivejo: Well as soee pointed out, the automatic upgrade will only be offered when 16.04.1 is out so it makes sense I don't have the notification, no?
[20:32] <clivejo> ok
[20:32] <keithzg> Good ol' "sudo do-release-upgrade -d" looks like it's working fine so far.
[20:33] <clivejo> but -d is devel release
[20:33] <clivejo> which was fine up until today as Xenial was still in dev
[20:33] <swipe-> clivejo: yes mate
[20:34] <keithzg> *shrug* I just did it out of muscle memory, and it grabbed xenial
[20:34] <clivejo> swipe-: what is radotray?
[20:34] <swipe-> it's an internet radio app that sits in the system tray
[20:34] <clivejo> the one I listed?
[20:35] <swipe-> gutted it's broken. I've reported it on launchpad
[20:35] <swipe-> yes
[20:35] <clivejo> how is it broken? have a bug report number?
[20:36] <swipe-> clivejo: 1557115
[20:36] <clivejo> LP Bug 1557115
[20:37] <clivejo> swipe-: it installs on my Xenial installation
[20:38] <swipe-> does it worl though?
[20:38] <clivejo> seems to
[20:38] <clivejo> theres music being played
[20:38] <swipe-> can you launch from the console?
[20:39] <clivejo> I launcher from KickOff Menu
[20:39] <clivejo> launched
[20:39] <swipe-> not sure whats wrong with mne then. Mind you, it was playing while I upgraded
[20:40] <swipe-> but I've pruged and reinstal and reinstalled python-xdg too
[20:41] <swipe-> it's also not installable from discover
[20:41] <clivejo> swipe-: http://s31.postimg.org/rbqnuemrf/Radio_Tray.png
[20:41] <swipe-> doesn't show in the list, only insta;;able via apt
[20:42] <swipe-> clivejo: thanks, don't know whats up with mine then
[20:42] <swipe-> I may try removing python
[20:43] <clivejo> dunno, I was going to look into the packaging but when I installed it, works fine!
[20:44] <clivejo> I installed via apt
[20:48] <swipe-> did you upgarde xenial or fresh install?
[21:08] <keithzg> Oh oops I really should have removed apt-listchanges before starting the dist upgrade
[21:09] <keithzg> This is taking a looooooong time to generate . . .
[21:28] <user|87180> Hey
[21:29] <user|87180> Kubuntu 16.04 looks really bad
[21:29] <user|87180> Not the nice icons on 15.10
[21:29] <user|87180> Wut happened?
[21:30] <soee> what icons ?
[21:30] <soee> can you post screenshot ?
[21:30] <user|87180> The desktop icons like on dolphin
[21:31] <user|87180> + navigation bar looks so bad too
[21:32] <user|87180> how can i post a screenshot?
[21:34] <soee> user|87180: print screen and upload to wstaw.otg for example and paste link here
[21:37]  * drleviathan downloads both kubuntu-16.04 and ubuntu-16.04 via bittorrent (will try them out this weekend).
[21:37] <user|87180> http://imgur.com/SXdGDjp
[21:37] <user|87180> Those icons
[21:38] <user|87180> Are like the old ones
[21:38] <user|87180> Horrible icons
[21:39] <soee> user|87180: sis you upgraded or did a fresh install ?
[21:39] <user|87180> Fresh install
[21:39] <soee> oh that is strange
[21:40] <user|87180> ye
[21:40] <soee> what iconset you have selected in System Settings -> Icons
[21:40] <soee> is it Breeze?
[21:40] <user|87180> dark breeze
[21:41] <soee> try to change to Breeze
[21:41] <soee> and relogin
[21:41] <user|87180> ok doing that
[21:54] <user|62200> Done
[21:55] <user|62200> Icons are cool again :))
[21:55] <soee> user|62200: did you change them to Breeze Dark ?
[21:56] <soee> i mean after install
[21:56] <user|62200> Ye
[21:56] <soee> ah, ok
[21:56] <user|62200> It's cool now
[21:56] <soee> :)
[22:02] <clivejo> hi neanderslob
[22:03] <neanderslob> clivejo: howdy
[22:03] <clivejo> how are you getting on?
[22:04] <neanderslob> I was actually just about to message you; I have a new development with yesterday's problem and wanted to run it by you if you have a moment
[22:04] <clivejo> sure
[22:05] <clivejo> not that I actually understand what the problem was!
[22:05] <neanderslob> ok, so it seems that this is a problem that replicates itself on shutdown.  the trick to getting it working is to fire up the machine, delete the file and reinstall pulse audio and then restart
[22:05] <neanderslob> ...for every shutdown
[22:06] <neanderslob> oh, completely understood
[22:06] <neanderslob> this explains why it worked the first time I booted up but then stopped working thereafter
[22:06] <viewer|28682> very pleased to see my volume up/down buttons on my laptop now work with latest release of kubutnu!
[22:07] <neanderslob> it's sounding more and more like a bug that I should report but I was just wondering if you might have any other ideas before I go sending others on a goose chase
[22:07] <clivejo> so it stops working everytime you shutdown?
[22:07] <neanderslob> bingo
[22:08] <clivejo> does it do the same from the new user you created?
[22:08] <neanderslob> good question, should have checked; unfortunately I'll need to sign off because it requires a restart
[22:09] <neanderslob> back in a moment
[22:13] <tux|dude> Whoooo!!! Kubuntu 16.04 is out!!!
[22:16] <soee> tux|dude: indeed ;)
[22:17] <tux|dude> I love it when new stuff like this comes out
[22:17] <tux|dude> Updating now
[22:17] <clivejo> wait til you see 5.7 :P
[22:17] <soee> clivejo: packaing it ? :D
[22:17] <clivejo> LOL
[22:18] <tux|dude> 5.7?
[22:18] <tux|dude> KDE 5.7?
[22:18] <clivejo> Plasma
[22:18] <tux|dude> Oh NICE
[22:18] <tux|dude> Is it already backported?
[22:18] <clivejo> no
[22:18] <tux|dude> Oh right lol it isn't out yet
[22:18] <tux|dude> I'm dumb
[22:18] <soee> nah it will take 3 months till it gets releaded
[22:19] <tux|dude> Is 5.6 gonna be in the backport repo?
[22:19] <clivejo> theres a lot of work to be done
[22:19] <tux|dude> I see
[22:19] <tux|dude> Since I loaded a backport of plasma 5.5 onto my 15.10 install lol
[22:19] <tux|dude> I like to live on the bleeding edge at times
[22:20] <tux|dude> Still I've been waiting for this update with baited breath. Can't wait to see what 16.04 is like
[22:20] <clivejo> Xenial has 5.5.5
[22:20] <tux|dude> Oh I see
[22:20] <tux|dude> I'm running a backport of 5.5.4 lol
[22:21] <tux|dude> Can't wait to see all the new stuff
[22:21] <clivejo> although plasma-discover is version 5.6 :)
[22:21] <tux|dude> Hopefully kernel 4.4 doesn't break anything on my surface pro 2 though
[22:21] <tux|dude> Kernel 4.3 seems to be the version that works fine on my surface so 4.4 probably won't break anything
[22:21] <tux|dude> Plasma discover?
[22:22] <clivejo> KDE Software centre application
[22:22] <tux|dude> Oh I see
[22:22] <clivejo> run Discover
[22:22] <tux|dude> Ah
[22:22] <tux|dude> Yeah I sideloaded the ubuntu software centre tbh as discover was a bit unstable for me lol
[22:22] <tux|dude> I've got a bit of a frankenstein of packages going on here lol
[22:30] <neanderslob> clivejo: so that was educational
[22:30] <neanderslob> it apparently does NOT happen on my other account
[22:30] <neanderslob> so methinks there's something in my ~/ that's poisoning pulse audio
[22:31] <clivejo> yeah, thats what I been thinking
[22:31] <clivejo> plasma saves your settings when it exits
[22:31] <neanderslob> I also think that it's not the shutdown process that does it but the autologin that does (not especially helpful but sort of interesting)
[22:32] <clivejo> do you have any audo programs which auto load?
[22:32] <neanderslob> know what's interesting, I have plasma configured to launch a clean session for this account; maybe that's part of the issue
[22:33] <neanderslob> yea, dropbox but I don't think autoload is the issue because logging out and logging back on doesn't create the issue
[22:34] <neanderslob> my guess is something left over in .kde is the problem
[22:34] <neanderslob> and that's easy enough to test
[22:36] <neanderslob> right, so I've certainly got enough to work with here; thanks!
[22:36] <tater> hi all. i am curious if anyone is having issues with plugging in kubuntu into a large tv via hdmi. when i do it, in both 14 and 16 releases, the large television screen has a lot of pixels not firing for lack of better term. it's as if the tv is broken. yet when i plug it up into windows it works fine.
[22:37] <tater> it works fine with normal computer monitors, and i use those plugged into it at work all day long
[22:37] <neanderslob> tater: haven't tried it with 16 but did so all the time with 14 and didn't have a problem
[22:38] <neanderslob> tater: I'll ask the obvious question: did you try it with different tvs/different hdmi cables?
[22:39] <tater> yes i've tried it with multiple hdmi cables. said hdmi cable works fine in windows when booted into windows on same machine; when switched to kubuntu it does not.
[22:39] <tater> so i've ruled out it is a laptop specific since it works via hdmi into windows
[22:42] <neanderslob> tater: ....well shoot
[22:42] <MichaelP> installed 16.04 beta2.. did apt dist-upgrade.... discover is only finding a few gst packages and same with synaptic
[22:42] <tater> just curious if i'm missing something obvious or if anyone in this room has had similar experience
[22:43] <neanderslob> tater: something's missing something; like I said, I haven't tried it in 16.04 but 14.04 works great and I used it quite a bit
[22:44] <neanderslob> tater: the fact that it's happening with two different releases is interesting
[22:45] <neanderslob> tater: have you tried it with a different laptop? I realize you tested it with windows but it might be some sort of hardware incompatability issue with ubuntu
[22:47] <neanderslob> MichaelP: actually found that as well but I just figured I either installed them LATE last night or that the release packages would come in time
[22:54] <MichaelP> neanderslob: funny thing is... in discover under search.... i type in gstreamer... i don't get gstreamer.. i get Find Files/Folders ... Searchmonkey... Desktop Search... Search for files ... look... Recoll...... Where does that have anything to do with gstreamer ?
[22:55] <neanderslob> MichaelP: oh wow, I don't think we're talking about the same thing
[22:55] <neanderslob> ok, never mind my previous remark
[22:56] <neanderslob> I misunderstood you
[22:56] <neanderslob> have you tried running a sudo apt-get update?
[22:58] <MichaelP> search for gst... i get gSTM parole media player transmageddon voideo transcoder pitivi videos.....
[22:59] <MichaelP> done that about 4 times
[23:00] <neanderslob> alright, story checks out
[23:00] <neanderslob> I'm able to find it just fine in the terminal though
[23:02] <MichaelP> yeah but when you have 30 different gstreamer plugin packages.... GUI is nice
[23:03] <neanderslob> I'm not sure how discover filters its packages (if it regards gstreamer as a secondary sort of dependency or what)
[23:04] <neanderslob> actually, it appears not to include any backend packages like ffmpg, python or alike
[23:05] <MichaelP> It found them the otherday... Then went back to arch... then got tired of plasma 5.6 panel always chrashing... so came back here... and now today it not finding
[23:05] <neanderslob> so this seems like a "feature"
[23:05] <neanderslob> huh
[23:06] <MichaelP> Just installed muon... it found everything
[23:06] <neanderslob> yea, it seems to only be showing gui packages
[23:07] <neanderslob> ah, there we go
[23:07] <MichaelP> Guess discover is still needs work
[23:07] <neanderslob> yea....
[23:08] <neanderslob> I've found a couple other bugs here and there
[23:08] <neanderslob> I really do like the new interface though
[23:08] <MichaelP> Nothing going to be a 100% bug free... Its man made
[23:09] <robotdevil1> hey im on 14.04 and I have a mount on /mymount but the indexer isnt indexing the drive, what gives??
[23:09] <neanderslob> indeed
[23:09] <robotdevil1> like the dolphin "find" option doesnt appear to work on it
[23:10] <MichaelP> i like gui's like muon better... straight and simple
[23:14] <robotdevil1> discover actually helped me discover thou
[23:14] <robotdevil1> winswitch ftw
[23:16] <MichaelP> onlything it discovered for me.. is it broken right now
[23:18] <PacoSmithereens> After upgrading, my clock is showing 7 hours earlier than it should.  This is a UTC issue.  I noticed during the upgrade a message about /etc/default/rcS and the line indicating UTC being removed.  I do not know why the update killed the line completely.  Elsewhere, there is some reference to a file with a name like (forget exactly) /etc/timeadj, but this file does not exist and I have been unable to find its syntax anywhere.  Can
[23:18] <PacoSmithereens> anyone tell me how I can fix this.
[23:18] <excognac> hi all, how does the upgrade go? all good?
[23:21] <MichaelP> PacoSmithereens: right click on clock. .. adjust date and time... under time zone... see if it set to your time zone.... and on date and time... Set date and time automadically
[23:27] <tux|dude> Ok I've run into a slight issue
[23:28] <tux|dude> I tried updating my kubuntu but something went wrong and apparently some packages didn't install or something
[23:28] <tux|dude> And I can't get back into the kubuntu os
[23:28] <tux|dude> Is there a way I can try updating again using a ISO image or am I basically buggered at this point?
[23:29] <ildefonso> do you have console access to the system? or just remote.
[23:29] <tux|dude> I can access the recovery section
[23:30] <amichair> my upgrade just aborted as well. yay.
[23:30] <tux|dude> But when I try to boot the OS all I get is a black screen with the blinking cursor. No login screen. It shows the kubuntu boot screen then just that black screen with the cursor on it
[23:30] <amichair> something about mysql-server-5.7 error
[23:30] <tux|dude> Yeah that's what happened to me
[23:30] <ildefonso> simplest way is a reinstall, however it can be fixed.
[23:31] <tux|dude> The update aborted and I can't get back into the system atm
[23:31] <tux|dude> I have time
[23:31] <tux|dude> How can it be fixed?
[23:31] <ildefonso> you need to boot into some kind of recovery system, maybe a live cd, or any recovery system that let you mount your existing filesystems.
[23:32] <ildefonso> then, you need to chroot into it
[23:32] <ildefonso> and try first running dpkg --configure -a
[23:32] <ildefonso> and see if are there partially installed packages.
[23:32] <tux|dude> I actually managed to access the recovery kernel and do dpkg
[23:32] <tux|dude> But that didn't do much
[23:32] <ildefonso> any errors?
[23:32] <tux|dude> Do I have to do that from a live usb or something for it to work right?
[23:32] <tux|dude> Only one about chrome
[23:33] <tux|dude> Although I just selected the dpkg option in the recovery menu
[23:33] <tux|dude> So I might have missed something
[23:33] <ildefonso> sometimes, after an error, it will not continue to the rest of packages.
[23:33]  * ildefonso has not used that recovery menu in eons...
[23:33] <tux|dude> I see
[23:34] <ildefonso> I would try to chroot to your system and run dpkg from there directly.
[23:34] <ildefonso> then, check the logs
[23:34] <tux|dude> Ok. So use a live usb then
[23:34] <ildefonso> for clues of what else can be failing to start.
[23:34] <ildefonso> I am pretty sure the recovery thing has an option to chroot to the root filesystem, doesn't it?
[23:34] <tux|dude> Ok then. I'll give that a shot
[23:34] <ildefonso> something like start a shell in the...
[23:35] <amichair> ildefonso: any idea how to fix the mysql-server-5.7 error?
[23:35] <ildefonso> amichair, what error are you getting?
[23:35] <amichair> Job for mysql.service failed because the control process exited with error code
[23:35] <ildefonso> and... I guess this all is the result of trying to do-release-upgrade or something like that?
[23:35] <amichair> ildefonso: yes
[23:36] <amichair> now doing dpkg --configure -a, but that just repeats the mysql error
[23:36]  * ildefonso books a whole morning to handle his PC upgrade...
[23:37] <ildefonso> amichair, did you have any MySQL DBs on your system before the upgrade?
[23:37] <amichair> yes
[23:38] <ildefonso> how bad is your system? ie, is it up and running except for MySQL?
[23:39] <amichair> ildefonso: upgrade aborted in the middle, haven't restarted or anything so (old) system is still up
[23:39] <ildefonso> good.
[23:40] <ildefonso> did you take a full backup of your DBs before the update?
[23:40] <ildefonso> the simplest is to purge mysql, and then try to make it finish the upgrade.
[23:40] <amichair> and the not simplest?
[23:40] <amichair> what is the problem?
[23:42] <ildefonso> well, mysql is failing to start, the reasons: I don't know (there should be some extra info in the logs), but sometimes it is library conflicts that can be cleared by uninstalling, finishing the process, and then reinstalling it.
[23:42] <ildefonso> amichair, what was your previous version? 14.04?
[23:42] <amichair> 15.10
[23:43] <ildefonso> first, go to the logs and try to find a more specific error, look in /var/log
[23:44] <amichair> [ERROR] Function 'innodb' already exists
[23:45]  * ildefonso is more proficient in PostgreSQL, so, he is actually googling the MySQL error.
[23:45] <amichair> ildefonso: much appreciate, but I wouldn't want to waste your time... I can do that myself
[23:46] <amichair> ildefonso: I just asked in case it's a well-known issue or something
[23:46] <jonathan_zz> did they fix the gaming issues of nVidia 361.28? Many games required additional parameters to turn off certain features that caused the game to not work.
[23:48] <ildefonso> amichair, well, not to me.  I am no mysql expert, ask me about postgresql! :D... but, usually, you will find that kind of issues while doing a do-release-upgrade, I use to just take a full backup of data before doing that, and then just remove any problematic package, install it again, and restore backups as needed.
[23:48] <ildefonso> Ubuntu/Kubuntu at least allow for a direct upgrade path, CentOS and the such will require a reinstall (as far as I can tell).
[23:48] <amichair> ildefonso: suppose I figure this out, should I run do-release-upgrade again, or just apt-get dist-upgrade, or what?
[23:48] <jonathan_zz> mostly I also store my backups in a safe vault beneath a mountain just in case something happens, you never know with Linux.
[23:49] <ildefonso> apt-get dist-upgrade
[23:49] <ildefonso> or, dpkg --configure -a
[23:49] <tux|dude> Shit
[23:49] <ildefonso> jonathan_zz, oh, I do that with the windows systems!
[23:49] <amichair> ildefonso: and then reboot and that's it? do-release-upgrade doesn't do anything else afterwards?
[23:50] <jonathan_zz> of course you do.
[23:50] <ildefonso> do not run do-release-upgrade again
[23:50] <tux|dude> Yeah I dunno if I'm gonna be able to figure out how to fix that... As inconvenient as it is I'm probably gonna have to back up my shit and do a clean upgrade
[23:50] <ildefonso> just apt-get dist-upgrade (or aptitude dist-upgrade if you like it better)
[23:50] <ildefonso> or dpkg --configure -a
[23:50] <jonathan_zz> just in windows or any other system usually backups are not the first line of defense against disaster.
[23:50] <amichair> ildefonso: ok, thanks
[23:50] <jonathan_zz> in Linux it is, or it is the thing that is always mentioned to safeguard against any program error.
[23:51] <tux|dude> Wait what's that apt-get dist-upgrade command?
[23:51] <jonathan_zz> even simply undeleting files is often so hard.
[23:51] <ildefonso> jonathan_zz, can you upgrade Windows Server from, say, 2008 to 2012 without a reinstall?
[23:51] <ildefonso> that is what we are doing here.
 <ildefonso> mysql 5.7 was only uploaded to the archive a week or so ago.
[23:51] <amichair> tux|dude: that's the regular package update command, and what do-release-upgarde uses behind the scenes
[23:51] <tux|dude> Is there a way to backup my user preferences before a reinstall?
 Its been causing a lot of issues with upgrades
[23:52] <ildefonso> tux|dude, backup /home (simple), or... find where your specific configs are.
[23:52] <tux|dude> I see
[23:52] <ildefonso> also, backup /etc is usually a good idea.
[23:52] <jonathan_zz> I never mentioned anything like that, I was just alluding to the fact that... if you do need a backup while the thing is supposed to work without much hassle.... then in the end you cannot really say you can safely upgrade with Linux (Ubuntu) either.
[23:53] <tux|dude> Ok. So backup home and etc and then copy it back after the reinstall?
[23:53] <ildefonso> jonathan_zz, this is the most uncommon task, do-release-upgrade
[23:53] <jonathan_zz> i don't care, you are comparing apples and oranges now. I was not saying anything of the kind.
[23:53] <ildefonso> and one that most people (count me in) just try to avoid.
 You could try move /var/lib/mysql somewhere and restart the upgrade
[23:54] <ildefonso> well, I asked amichair if a backup existed, because they are doing do-release-upgrade, that can be risky.
[23:54] <jonathan_zz> btw yes you can upgrade from Windows 7 and Windows 8 to Windows 10 ;-). Your data is probably going to be very safe but Windows 10 is buggy to begin with ;-).
[23:55] <jonathan_zz> that's one of the apples and oranges ;-). :p.
[23:55] <ildefonso> no, Windows Server.
[23:55] <jonathan_zz> you might as well have mentioned upgrading from Windows 95 to Windows 10.
[23:55] <jonathan_zz> and then say "can you do that? huh? huh?"
[23:55] <jonathan_zz> ;-) :p sorry.
[23:55] <ildefonso> I am talking about a server environment here.
[23:56] <tux|dude> Man I knew this wasn't going to go smoothly
[23:56] <jonathan_zz> well what does it matter really.
[23:56] <ildefonso> Ubuntu is one of the few distros that allows to do that.
[23:56] <ildefonso> and, I am not surprised at all that it is a bumpy road.
[23:56] <tux|dude> Can someone just pastebin a list of commands and things to try if we have a broken upgrade?
[23:57] <amichair> tux|dude: this happens to me almost every upgrade... lesson learned is not to reboot after an aborted upgrade. fix it while the system is still up...
 Tux|dude where did you get up to?
[23:58] <tux|dude> Like, 99% completed on the last step of the upgrade before the error popped up and said something about package and things being unstable
[23:58] <mayhew> I think the clock in the bottom right corner is pretty big, is there a way to make it smaller?
[23:59] <jonathan_zz> there are often failures in package updates in this system of do-release-upgrade I must say. One time it hung for me for no other reason than that the actually command line tool was asking for user interaction but my GUI thing didn't allow that :( :P.
[23:59] <amichair> ildefonso: ok, progress - seems like two configuration options were renamed. now getting errors about needing to repair tables... but seems like the right track