[00:06] <mappps> hi;]
[00:17] <daftykins> o/
[00:28] <mappps> the boy ..film sounds ok
[00:30] <daftykins> my bet is it's about a boy
[02:03] <diddledan> https://motherboard.vice.com/read/in-a-first-judge-throws-out-evidence-obtained-from-fbi-malware
[02:05] <daftykins> ooh err
[02:06] <daftykins> mmm chocolate raisins
[02:29] <pavlushka> !isitoutyet
[02:29] <lubotu3`> No, it's not out yet!
[02:30] <daftykins> please don't do that
[02:31] <pavlushka> daftykins: cp
[02:31] <daftykins> courgette piracy?
[02:35] <pavlushka> daftykins: what? never heard of that,
[02:35] <daftykins> i was guessing what your 'cp' was :D
[02:36] <pavlushka> cp, And I was guessing what your courgette means, http://www.bbcgoodfood.com/glossary/courgette
[02:37] <pavlushka> :p
[02:39] <pavlushka> and yeah, we do that often, your cp thing, :p
[02:40] <daftykins> i was more just asking what you meant, not giving rise to your nonsensical stream of gibberish
[02:42] <pavlushka> daftykins: if you are busy, you can say that but please dont talk like that, I have no intention to disturb anyone.
[02:45] <diddledan> smh
[02:46] <daftykins> indeed sir, shake those haribo!
[02:46] <daftykins> :D
[02:46] <diddledan> :-p
[02:49] <pavlushka> did I get anything wrong that diddledan smh-ing?
[03:17] <sebsebseb>  
[06:17] <SebUbuntuTablet>  
[07:10] <diddledan> what music should I put-on for a heavy coding session today?
[07:12] <knightwise> Jean Michel Jarre : Teo and Tea
[07:20] <zmoylan-pi> sunshine and lollipops... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQmBXEZEYtg
[07:21] <zmoylan-pi> if it's good for car chases... :-)
[07:29] <awilkins> !isitoutyet
[07:29] <lubotu3`> No, it's not out yet!
[07:29] <awilkins> :p
[07:34] <diddledan> today?
[07:53] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:54] <awilkins> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/04/20/canonical-unveils-6th-lts-release-of-ubuntu-with-16-04/
[08:28] <knightwise> morning MooDoo
[08:34] <MooDoo> how are you knightwise?
[08:36] <knightwise> Doin ok :)
[08:36] <knightwise> Listening to some music on spotify , then finding that music on youtube and downloading it :)
[08:36] <knightwise> mps-youtube ftw :)
[08:37] <MooDoo> knightwise: just studying for my MS exam, but not taking it that serious as it's not till July
[08:40] <knightwise> MooDoo: not enough pressure for a procrastinator to veer into action
[08:43] <MooDoo> knightwise: I'll read a lot this weekend.
[08:46] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:47] <knightwise> hey davmor2
[08:48] <MooDoo> hi davmor2
[08:48] <davmor2> morning knightwise MooDoo, 'ow am ya?
[08:49] <knightwise> Toppadamownin2ya
[08:52] <davmor2> knightwise: house of pain really have a lot to answer for, it's all I hear when I see that :)
[08:56] <knightwise> lol
[09:03] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Thursday, and happy High Five Day! ⁵ 😃
[09:06] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:13] <knightwise> hey brobostigon
[09:14] <brobostigon> hi knightwise
[09:18] <SuperMatt> morning all
[09:18] <knightwise> hey SuperMatt
[09:18] <SuperMatt> today might be the day I move back to Ubuntu
[09:18]  * knightwise has been browsing around for a way to organise content from RSS feeds into my automated social media streams
[09:19] <knightwise> read : Tying together rss reader ifttt and Hootsuite auto-posting
[09:19] <knightwise> SuperMatt: Windows Millenium is going to miss you
[09:20] <SuperMatt> I've been using Fedora for the last year or so
[09:21] <diddledan> :-o
[09:22] <knightwise> Pirchforks anyone ?
[09:22] <knightwise> piTchforks
[09:24] <knightwise> Considering moving to tinytiny RSS and hosting the whole Shbang mysellf
[09:30] <SuperMatt> knightwise: good call
[09:30] <SuperMatt> I use it myself
[09:42] <knightwise> SuperMatt: have you tried any integrations with Pocket or Instapaper ?
[09:44] <zmoylan-pi> create a static website on dropbox for all your rss feeds
[09:44] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSC9cgvtkRs
[09:44] <zmoylan-pi> for mobile rss i use opera minis rss reader
[09:44] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: a static website for RSS feeds ?
[09:45] <knightwise> davmor2: great track
[09:45] <zmoylan-pi> well if you're filtering the rss feeds for news items that might interest you then filter them out to a static web page you can access knightwise
[09:46] <knightwise> Like the "published feeds" in tt-rss ?
[09:46] <knightwise> the ifttt script i have running takes all the articles I push to instapaper into a spreadsheet (links and description) . Those get uploaded to Hootsuite for scheduled auto-posting to facebook and linkedin
[09:59] <foobarry> i'd like a bot that removes dupes from twitter feeds and republishes them
[09:59] <foobarry> had to unsub from boingboing etc because of the horrendous dupe spamming
[10:04] <zmoylan-pi> i just move the busy more noise twitter feeds into a list and use plume or tweetdeck to show those lists in alternate streams
[10:09] <foobarry> there is a better way
[10:12] <SuperMatt> knightwise: no, I haven't, sorry
[10:16] <diddledan> is anyone here using virginmedia?
[10:17] <diddledan> my connection went down at about 1-2 am last night and is still dead as an upside-down dog
[10:17] <diddledan> very helpful, also, that the vm status page is currently offline
[10:18] <zmoylan-pi> do they have a outage page anywhere?
[10:18] <diddledan> they do, but as I say, it's offline
[10:18] <diplo> bigcalm and  popey do I belive
[10:18] <popey> o/
[10:18] <diddledan> o/
[10:19] <diddledan> http://www.virginmedia.com/servicestatus goes to a "holding" page for me
[10:20] <zmoylan-pi> sounds like they rm -rf a server somewhere... :-)
[10:20] <diddledan> like 123-reg did?
[10:21] <popey> I am on virgin and i'm still here
[10:21] <diplo> You can still make payments! :P
[10:21] <MooDoo> I've virgin and i'm still here too :)
[10:22] <MooDoo> diddledan: 123-reg was a huge fubar
[10:22] <diplo> Ah twas MooDoo on VM :)
[10:22] <davmor2> I'm on virgin too
[10:22]  * MooDoo is looking to build a new router
[10:23] <zmoylan-pi> all is well https://national.virginmedia.com/service-announcements/status
[10:23] <zmoylan-pi> but that might just be a lgl
[10:24] <diplo> When the big BT outage happened, all their status pages said the same :)
[10:24] <zmoylan-pi> hence lgl, lying green light... :-)
[10:25] <diddledan> that's their non-cable services
[10:26] <diddledan> but I'm guessing it's just me as popey and davmor2 have reported they're fine
[11:02] <MooDoo> any one ever played with pfsense?
[11:03] <diplo> A long time ago MooDoo - we're thinking of testing it at work again
[11:04] <MooDoo> yeah i'm looking into it now, not necessarily work, but definately at home
[11:04] <diplo> That's when I last used it at home, had a old PC running it with a few connectors
[11:04] <MooDoo> yeah want to turn my vm super hub into modem only mode.
[11:04] <diplo> but with routers getting cheaper i moved away
[11:05] <MooDoo> yeah there is that as well
[11:06] <diplo> I bought the witi for that reason, but can't get modem passthrough to work with sky :/
[11:06] <diplo> So going to move to VM soon
[11:08] <MooDoo> ah i'll see what I do, always in two minds
[11:09] <diplo> What would you run pfsense on?
[11:10] <MooDoo> self built mini atx probably
[11:10] <diplo> So cheap and powerful now
[11:10] <MooDoo> yeah definately
[11:10] <diplo> Mine was an old p166 or something, no lights on it and PSU probably cost me LOTS!
[11:11] <MooDoo> just that it's probably cheaper to get a cheap ac router than build a pc
[11:11] <diplo> But less control I guess, unless you go for openwrt
[11:12] <MooDoo> yeah, I think I'd rather go with something a little more powerful as my kids are getting older and will want internet access and their own computers soon
[11:15] <diplo> hah exactly my thoughts too
[11:16] <diplo> Yours youtube fanatics ?
[11:20] <MooDoo> diplo: oh just a bit, fgtv etc etc
[11:21] <davmor2> MooDoo: just use opendns and have it block everything :D
[11:21] <MooDoo> davmor2: I use opendns any way
[11:21] <davmor2> MooDoo: you think you do do you ;)
[11:22] <MooDoo> davmor2: ?
[11:23] <davmor2> MooDoo: I get a nice mix of opendns error pages and virginmedia error pages as on the super hub there is a virgindns entry you can't get rid of :)
[11:23] <MooDoo> davmor2: I use my own dhcp server so I can give the client on the lan the opendns dns
[11:24] <MooDoo> which im guessing you do too?
[11:25] <davmor2> MooDoo: indeed opendns on my openwrt router but the gateway to the internet is still the superhub which can then randomly change the outcome :)
[11:27] <MooDoo> yay virgin :)
[12:00]  * MooDoo wonders how many quit messages will be people upgrading ;)
[12:05] <foobarry> how do you deal with trolls in the workplace?
[12:06] <foobarry> i.e. people who know how to make the exact comment to wind you and others up, to obstruct work rather than make progress, usually the most lazy good for nothing out there, which winds you up all the more?
[12:06] <foobarry> its very hard to ignore
[12:06] <popey> i dont have any
[12:06] <foobarry> it's easier to ignore internet trolls, just click and move on
[12:07] <foobarry> i'm not used to it with grown-ups
[12:08] <TwistedLucidity> Ignore the comments. If performance is sub-par, speak with their manager. If they are being actively abusive/aggressive, speak with HR.
[12:08] <davmor2> oi popey I'm not having that I go out of my way to troll you ;)
[12:09] <popey> true dat
[12:11] <knightwise> Fire-extinguisher-to-the-face helps
[12:11] <davmor2> foobarry: mostly ignore them, if it gets aggressive or impacts your work inform a manager
[12:12] <foobarry> oh i tell him
[12:12] <foobarry> he knows
[12:12] <TwistedLucidity> knightwise: I believe that's against the CoC. Finding someone at the bottom of the stairs is, however, a tragic accident
[12:12]  * MooDoo is wathing a lot of IS FB down messages on twitter :)
[12:12] <knightwise> Gravity is a patient lover :)
[12:13] <foobarry> fb isn't down
[12:13] <foobarry> i'm watching a video right now
[12:13] <MooDoo> fb it is for quite a few people
[12:32] <sebsebseb> popey: what's an email client for Ubuntu Touch?  thought there was maybe one by default, but brif look now and doesn't seem like it
[12:32] <brobostigon> dekko?
[12:34] <JamesTait> Dekko is on the phone by default since OTA10, I think?
[12:34] <DanChapman> Yeah it was included by default in ota-10
[12:36] <sebsebseb> oh dekko hmm
[12:36] <sebsebseb> I don't thini that's on the tablet though
[12:36] <sebsebseb> but that's  a bit of a older version by default I guess
[12:37]  * sebsebseb really quite likes the cheaper tablet so far, wil buy FHD at a later date as well, got HD yep
[12:37] <sebsebseb> I  just bought bluetooth keyboards and mouse and such on Amazon last night, but  I think I am going to start using a lot :)
[12:38] <popey> the tablet shipped with ota 9
[12:38] <popey> AIUI
[12:38] <popey> I don't have one
[12:39] <sebsebseb> ah ha 0ta 9 that explains no dekko I guess then, I did see there was some kind of update or someting though I Think
[12:39] <sebsebseb> what does AI mean?
[12:39] <popey> yeah, update it
[12:39] <sebsebseb> yep Firefox or Ubuntu browser for browsing
[12:40] <sebsebseb> popey: yeah I will tommorow I think,  got to break away from the computer etc world pretty soon,  since got some plans for today,  things to get ready for etc
[12:47] <davmor2> sebsebseb: in tablet mode use the ubuntu web browser, with the keyboard and mouse you can use either.
[12:51] <SuperMatt> is 16.04 officially released now? Lots of outlets reporting it, but no official word on the site
[12:51] <MooDoo> sebsebseb: Artificial Intellegence?
[12:51] <MooDoo> !isitoutyet
[12:51] <lubotu3`> No, it's not out yet!
[12:52] <TwistedLucidity> WHY NOT!?!
[12:52] <SuperMatt> I figured as much
[12:52]  * TwistedLucidity blames popey
[12:52] <popey> wise
[12:52] <sebsebseb> davmor2: yeah I have figured that one out I thik
[12:52] <sebsebseb> davmor2: and you said was it last night
[12:52] <sebsebseb> or someone
[12:53] <sebsebseb> davmor2: the convergence apps work sort of with the touch screen, but not to type, need a keyboard to type
[12:53] <sebsebseb> the native apps work either way
[12:53] <sebsebseb> and yes a phablet someone else with the tablet I guess
[12:55] <davmor2> sebsebseb: yes so it is a feature being worked on but is actually really hard to get working well and really low level so lots of work involved. But the goal is to be able to use anything in any mode eventually
[13:00] <sebsebseb> davmor2: yep and I guess this kind of thing is indeed why convergence isn't quite fully ready yet
[13:00] <sebsebseb> davmor2: as in ready for joe and jane average for example
[13:00] <sebsebseb> who may for some reason end up with an Ubuntu device or buying one form some where
[13:02] <popey> sebsebseb: http://getsuperbook.com/ like the nexdock
[13:03] <sebsebseb> popey: oh right well, I have already crowd funded the Nexdock :)
[13:04] <sebsebseb> popey: they probably saw the Nexdock compaigain and thought oh let's do something similar!
[13:04] <sebsebseb> and where you find out about that one?
[13:06] <sebsebseb> popey: hmm it's some kid of OS or someting on it to? software?
[13:06] <sebsebseb> it's got some kind of OS?
[13:08] <popey> you know as much as me
[13:08] <TwistedLucidity> "Use NexDock with the latest Windows 10 mobile..." <- yeeargh!
[13:08]  * TwistedLucidity runs away
[13:14] <knightwise> The lumia HAS a windows dock to do this
[13:20] <sebsebseb> TwistedLucidity: no the Nexdock can be used with Android, Ubuntu, lap tops, etc etc too, look more cloestly at the campain
[13:20] <sebsebseb> also you can't buy that verson of the Nexdock anymore from them
[13:20] <sebsebseb> since the campain is over
[13:20]  * sebsebseb right really needs to go and get ready for something now hmm,  especailly if then going to go to cinema a bit later as well
[13:20] <sebsebseb> bye
[13:20] <sebsebseb> bye
[13:21]  * sebsebseb breaks away
[13:21]  * sebsebseb breaks away from IRC
[13:21] <sebsebseb> bye
[13:21] <sebsebseb> bye
[14:02] <diddledan> so is it out yet?
[14:03] <Myrtti> nothing on the announcement mailing list yet
[14:04] <MooDoo> !isitoutyet
[14:04] <lubotu3`> No, it's not out yet!
[14:05] <MooDoo> diddledan: it is here apparently - http://mirror.bytemark.co.uk/ubuntu-releases/16.04/
[14:06] <Myrtti> "maybe"
[14:06] <MooDoo> !isitoutyet
[14:06] <lubotu3`> No, it's not out yet!
[14:06] <MooDoo> popey: says it's out on twitter :)
[14:06] <popey> FSVO "it"
[14:06] <MooDoo> ok that might be the podcast lol
[14:08] <popey> Gotcha :)
[14:10] <TwistedLucidity> I guess it's time to upgrade from 14.10. What me, lazy?
[14:11] <TwistedLucidity> And by "upgrade" I really mean "Nuke & pave"
[14:28] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[14:29] <bigcalm> !isitoutyet
[14:29] <lubotu3`> No, it's not out yet!
[14:29] <bigcalm> No?
[14:30] <AuroraAvenue> !isitoutyet
[14:30] <lubotu3`> No, it's not out yet!
[14:30] <TwistedLucidity> Never fear, Kerbal Space Program 1.1 is out; you can crash rockets until 16.04 drops.
[14:31] <bigcalm> Are Bytemark wrong? https://twitter.com/bytemark/status/723147660073525248
[14:32] <bigcalm> I'm confused
[14:32] <TwistedLucidity> Maybe it's "out" to various parnters, but hasn't yet replicated across enough mirrors for it to be public?
[14:33] <bigcalm> Could be
[14:33] <bigcalm> Not on Digital Ocean yet
[14:35] <AuroraAvenue> popey, Why am I the only one on #ubuntu-community ? Where is everyone ?
[14:37] <Demented-Idiot> bigcalm: Bytemark run a mirror so they have a copy of 16.04 but until its anounced properly its not the final version :) We've been playing with our deployment systems here in preparation for it to drop
[14:38] <popey> AuroraAvenue: because the channel is #ubuntu-tommunity-team
[14:38] <AuroraAvenue> fair enough. cheers
[14:38] <bigcalm> Who's Tom?
[14:38] <popey> minus typos
[14:38] <bigcalm> Ah
[14:38] <bigcalm> !rat
[14:38] <lubotu3`> rat is The Real Ale Train. A yearly Ubuntu UK loco event to celebrate friends, trains and ale. Saturday 10th September 2016, Hampshire, UK: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/3350-real-ale-train-2016/
[14:38] <bigcalm> :D
[14:39] <Myrtti> I think the story I heard years and years ago was basically what TwistedLucidity said, but also with the added reason of discouraging the public to download it so that other mirrors could sync it proper. That isn't to say that there won't be changes to it and it's not the final one.
[14:39] <Myrtti> or whatevs
[14:39] <Myrtti> you got the idea
[14:40] <Myrtti> I'm not in my brightest, hubby had to go to work middle of the night last night for a product launch, so I've not slept the best of nights sleep
[14:40] <bigcalm> For some reason I was expecting it to be released on the last Thursday of the month
[14:40] <Myrtti> it's been the third Thursday as far as I remember
[14:41] <bigcalm> Ah
[14:41] <Myrtti> with the exception of 10.10
[14:41] <bigcalm> Myrtti: I kept my wife awake with my snoring. She's not a happy bunny
[14:41] <bigcalm> Indeed
[14:41] <popey> We say it's "out" when the release manager sends the mail to the announce list
[14:41] <popey> because that's when everything is "done"
[14:41] <Myrtti> we got a new bed last week, it's lush
[14:41] <popey> including mirroring to CDNs and stuff
[14:41] <Myrtti> popey: exactomundo
[14:41] <popey> and every time someone pulls from releases.ubuntu.com etc it reduces the bandwidth for us to sync to mirrors
[14:42] <bigcalm> I want a new bed. One that has memory foam and not laytex for the topper. There's a horrible me sized dent in the bed where it has settled
[14:42] <popey> i had that feeling while laying in bed
[14:42] <AuroraAvenue> !isitoutyet
[14:42] <lubotu3`> No, it's not out yet!
[14:43] <Myrtti> we've got the best non-spring mattress from IKEA and a Julian Bowen sprung slat bed to go with it
[14:43] <popey> grabbed phone - said to wifey, shall I get a new mattress? memory foam one
[14:43] <popey> opened amazon app. clicked "buy it now" and it arrived next day
[14:43] <popey> done
[14:43] <popey> i love buying bed from my bed
[14:43] <Myrtti> the divan had given up the ghost - the support struts had given in under the chipboard
[14:43] <AuroraAvenue> popey, Are you on 'Prime' , then ?
[14:44] <Myrtti> and it being divided to two pieces to a head piece and foot piece - it was hitting my hip :-(
[14:44] <bigcalm> I can't bring myself to buy a bed online. It's one of those things that I need to try 1st
[14:44] <Myrtti> bigcalm: we had a list of what we needed and wanted and found it online - no showrooms anywhere had it on display.
[14:44] <bigcalm> IKEA is good then?
[14:45] <Myrtti> well our bed frame isn't from IKEA, we might get their sprung slats later if need be
[14:45] <popey> ya
[14:45] <Myrtti> we just couldn't find a bed frame from them that fulfilled what we wanted, despite the effort
[14:46] <bigcalm> Considering how much we spent on the mattress we have, I'm loathed to get a new one. Ever
[14:46] <Myrtti> http://www.ukbedstore.com/wooden-bed-frames/julian-bowen-amsterdam-5ft-kingsize-low-foot-end-oak-bed-frame.html
[14:46] <AuroraAvenue> popey, Is there a way to install Ubuntu-Touch on a Nexus 4 on Windows 7 ?
[14:47] <Myrtti> bigcalm: that ticked all our boxes: 1) solid wood 2) sprung slats 3) no footboard 4) space underneath for storage boxes
[14:51] <popey> AuroraAvenue: yeah, I think so, with the adb tools
[14:52] <AuroraAvenue> popey, Do you know of a tutorial (?) - 'cos I cant find one.
[14:52] <AuroraAvenue> popey, Thinking about it - it's alright I shall install 16.04 ontop after today, anyways.
[14:56] <AuroraAvenue> !isitoutyet
[14:56] <lubotu3`> No, it's not out yet!
[14:56] <AuroraAvenue> I don't get it - OMG says it is ! http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/04/ubuntu-16-04-download-new-features
[14:57] <Myrtti> OMG is not the official announcement
[14:57] <AuroraAvenue> k
[14:57] <Myrtti> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/
[14:58] <AuroraAvenue> Always some obscure part of the eco-system - where news actually lives.
[15:02] <popey> not really. that's the official announcement, but ubuntu.com and other places get updated too
[15:03] <Myrtti> the crowds are getting restless, getting their pitchforks
[15:03] <Myrtti> *rubblerubblerubble*
[15:03]  * JamesTait has a hammer ready to fend them off.
[15:03] <popey> heheh
[15:04]  * m0nkey_ will remain on 14.04
[15:05] <m0nkey_> In other news, the remote start on my car is failing to function.
[15:05] <Myrtti> awwww
[15:05]  * AuroraAvenue imagines JamesTait http://i.imgur.com/7NR6wQQ.gifv
[15:05] <m0nkey_> I think it's the remote battery, because when I got super close to the engine bay it worked.. once.
[15:06] <m0nkey_> It's a CR2032.. being a computer guy I should have a ton of them. Yet, I can't find one.
[15:07] <JamesTait> AuroraAvenue, you've been listening to davmor2 too much. 😉
[15:07] <m0nkey_> Oh, in other other news. Parents are on the way over.
[15:08] <davmor2> JamesTait: pfff he's obviously in qa
[15:08] <Myrtti> fun times. We've got masses of stuff to do but should try to schedule a trip to see inlaws... ho hum.
[15:09] <m0nkey_> Anyway, how are you? Everything good?
[15:10] <Myrtti> just normal everyday life :-) D is upstairs sleeping his last nights 'woo we're finally shipping the labour of months work project tonight... at 0200' lack of sleep away
[15:10] <m0nkey_> lol
[15:11] <m0nkey_> When is it due to ship?
[15:11] <Myrtti> I think originally February, then March for testing.
[15:12] <m0nkey_> Oh, so a different project? lol
[15:12] <Myrtti> yeah
[15:12] <Myrtti> maybe he'll do something not work related at home for a while...
[15:13] <Myrtti> (it's not been quite as bad as I might make it sound)
[15:14] <m0nkey_> :)
[15:14] <m0nkey_> How's the other project going?
[15:15] <Myrtti> nothing newsworthy :-)
[15:15] <Myrtti> ie. no news is good news
[15:15] <m0nkey_> True
[15:16] <m0nkey_> Btw, we might be visiting England sometime next year. My niece is getting married, we're not sure of the date, but I'd like to make an effort to come visit you guys.
[15:17] <Myrtti> ooooo \o/
[15:21] <AuroraAvenue> !isitoutyet
[15:21] <lubotu3`> No, it's not out yet!
[15:22] <AuroraAvenue> Getting late - it's usually 2pm.
[15:22] <m0nkey_> I guess something is not out yet. lol
[15:22] <AuroraAvenue> 16.04
[15:22] <ali1234> i seem to recall that last release the factoid didn't even get updated
[15:22] <m0nkey_> 14.04 4 LIFE!
[15:26] <SuperMatt> AuroraAvenue: most of them have landed ~5pm, from what I remember
[15:26] <AuroraAvenue> my bad, sorry.
[15:26] <Myrtti> I think I've seen anything from 1300 to 1700
[15:27] <AuroraAvenue> I certainly remember something earlier around 1-2pm ~ but that's going back somewhat.
[15:28] <AuroraAvenue> Any questions ? #juju channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUbCvcBBeg8
[15:28] <ali1234> is juju still a thing?
[15:29] <AuroraAvenue> I guess.
[15:29] <AuroraAvenue> ali1234: I guess your not a blogger .
[15:30] <AuroraAvenue> https://jujucharms.com/q/ghost
[15:31] <JamesTait> ali1234, very much so, yes. ☺
[15:31] <ali1234> i haven't heard anything about it for what seems like years
[15:32] <JamesTait> Juju 2.0 was released just last week, IIRC.
[15:32] <AuroraAvenue> Ghost is good, I find http://alternativeto.net/software/ghost/
[15:32] <ali1234> is it possible to run juju on one computer yet?
[15:32] <ali1234> in production i mean
[15:33] <AuroraAvenue> I shall ask.
[15:33] <ali1234> that was always the big problem for me. it would increase my infrastructure costs about 10x if i need an instance for every virtual machine it uses
[15:33] <JamesTait> ali1234, so you mean to deploy services to node 0?
[15:33] <ali1234> i mean i have one dedicated server and i want to use juju
[15:33] <JamesTait> Yes, you can do that.
[15:34] <AuroraAvenue> ali1234: Yes it is.
[15:35] <ali1234> i could do it before but it was always marked "DO NOT USE THIS IN PRODUCTION"
[15:35] <popey> it's all lxc/lxd now isn't it JamesTait ?
[15:35] <popey> (I know nothing about juju)
[15:36] <JamesTait> popey, that's how we tend to use it for development, but you can actually deploy services directly to the bootstrap node.
[15:37] <brmbrmcar> !isitoutyet
[15:37] <lubotu3`> No, it's not out yet!
[15:37] <brmbrmcar> :(
[15:37]  * brmbrmcar cries
[15:37] <JamesTait> I started out with an exiting VPS and created a Juju environment from it using the manual provider.
[15:38] <JamesTait> Then do something along the lines of `juju deploy cs:apache2 --to=0` (might not be quite the right syntax).
[15:39] <brobostigon> anyone seen this bug before? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=811094
[15:39] <lubotu3`> Debian bug 811094 in libpam-poldi "broken default configuration" [Important,Open]
[15:44] <ali1234> "one comical license"
[15:45] <AuroraAvenue> ali1234: yeah, got that , hehe
[15:46] <ali1234> i should use that on my projects
[15:54] <AuroraAvenue> !isitoutyet
[15:54] <lubotu3`> No, it's not out yet!
[15:55] <Myrtti> AuroraAvenue: for what it's worth, you might not even get an accurate update from lubotu3`'s factoids, unless the locobots are going to be synchronised right after the release is announced
[15:56] <AuroraAvenue> So it's worthless tryin' ?
[16:09] <brmbrmcar> !isitoutyet
[16:09] <lubotu3`> No, it's not out yet!
[16:13] <AuroraAvenue> brmbrmcar: How crouton going ?
[16:16] <brmbrmcar> I haven't tried it yet for 16.04...
[16:16] <JamesTait> According to ubuntu.com it is out.
[16:17] <brmbrmcar> I'll probably do a clean install when it is supported.
[16:17] <brmbrmcar> Oh yeah!
[16:19] <AuroraAvenue> !isitoutyet
[16:19] <lubotu3`> No, it's not out yet!
[16:20] <AuroraAvenue> JamesTait: What the link ?
[16:20] <ali1234> www.ubuntu.com
[16:20] <brmbrmcar> ubuntu.com/download
[16:20] <JamesTait> AuroraAvenue, I'm just going by the banner on ubuntu.com
[16:21] <brmbrmcar> I'm going by download page.
[16:21] <ali1234> the images have been up for hours lol
[16:21] <brmbrmcar> But the download only recently added.
[16:21] <ali1234> yes
[16:21] <AuroraAvenue> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/thank-you?country=IM&version=16.04&architecture=amd64
[16:21] <ali1234> until it's released the images can change
[16:21] <brmbrmcar> I want Ubuntu 16.04!
[16:21] <brmbrmcar> I want it!
[16:22] <ali1234> [Rate 20993.9/569.3 KB]
[16:22] <ali1234> i think my server is throttled
[16:23] <highbury> http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/
[16:23] <ali1234> either that or nobody is bothering with torrents
[16:24] <highbury> for Kent University's UK Mirror serveice
[16:24] <highbury> .torrent and .metalink files are there
[16:25]  * bashrc checks distrowatch
[16:25] <popey> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2016-April/000207.html
[16:25] <popey> *now* it's out
[16:25] <Myrtti> gj, congrats to the team
[16:26] <brmbrmcar> !isitoutyet
[16:26] <lubotu3`> It's Out!!! See - http://www.ubuntu.com/download
[16:26] <brmbrmcar> YAY
[16:26] <brmbrmcar> Next step: crouton support
[16:26] <ali1234> popey: did the snappy docs get rewritten as promised?
[16:26]  * AuroraAvenue deploys his Squirrel Army .....
[16:26] <popey> que?
[16:27] <ali1234> oh maybe it was ogra i was talking to
[16:27] <popey> probbaly
[16:28] <ali1234> i'll go and ask him rignow, he'll like that lol
[16:29] <bashrc> I'll download the MATE version whenever it's out and use that as my "new users" distro.
[16:30] <popey> :)
[16:33] <ali1234> does 16.04 have the unity 8 preview session thing?
[16:35] <popey> i dont think it's on the cd
[16:35] <popey> but in the archive
[16:35] <popey> but i may have manually installed it
[16:35] <popey> yeah, not installed here
[16:35] <popey> unity8-desktop-session-mir
[16:35] <ali1234> thanks
[16:36] <ali1234> is there like... a tablet session?
[16:36] <ali1234> or does it automatically know if you have a touchscreen?
[16:37] <popey> well, it knows that you don't have a keyboard
[16:38] <ali1234> but i do have a keyboard
[16:38] <popey> great!
[16:38] <ali1234> and a touchscreen
[16:38] <popey> so you wont get osk
[16:38] <popey> but you will be able to touch, yeah
[16:38] <ali1234> it's even multitouch i think
[16:38] <ali1234> well i'll try it and see what happens
[16:45] <AuroraAvenue> Downloaded it .. ready to install :-)
[16:46] <AuroraAvenue> !isitoutyet
[16:46] <lubotu3`> It's Out!!! See - http://www.ubuntu.com/download
[16:46] <diddledan> I'll be ready next time
[16:46]  * diddledan still coding
[17:05] <DJones> Another musician being reported as passing away, Prince
[17:05] <brobostigon> prince, forimally known as prince.
[17:05] <zmoylan-pi> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_%28musician%29
[17:06] <brobostigon> prince, formally known as prince.
[17:06] <zmoylan-pi> is his name in unicode?
[17:07] <MartijnVdS> no
[17:08] <MartijnVdS> zmoylan-pi: "The Unicode Standard contains a no-Prince rule: "the Unicode Standard does not encode idiosyncratic, personal, novel, rarely exchanged, or private-use characters"."
[17:09] <Myrtti> wondering why there's no sources to BBC
[17:09] <Myrtti> or Guardian
[17:09] <Myrtti> for the Prince news
[17:11] <zmoylan-pi> now on daily fail
[17:11] <DJones> THis looks like the original source http://www.tmz.com/2016/04/21/prince-dead-at-57/
[17:12] <DJones> Myrtti: BBC now http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36106778?
[17:13] <m0nkey_> wtf
[17:15] <m0nkey_> 2016 is turning into a real killer. :-(
[17:15] <zmoylan-pi> and it's only april...
[17:17] <m0nkey_> It's devastating. David Bowie, Terry Wogan, Ronny Corbett, Victoria Wood, now Prince.
[17:17] <zmoylan-pi> paul daniels and a few others i think
[17:18] <Myrtti> don't jinx it too much
[17:18] <Myrtti> not today
[17:18] <Myrtti> not _today_
[17:18] <m0nkey_> Oh yeah, forgot about Daniels
[17:23] <m0nkey_> wow.. parents flight lands in approx 1.5hrs, customs waiting time is 5 minutes. sounds like i got to leave in an hour to go to the airport.
[17:24] <m0nkey_> the flight also left half hour late
[17:24] <m0nkey_> basically, what was a 7.5hr flight is less than 6.5
[17:25] <zmoylan-pi> that's some tail wind...
[17:25] <m0nkey_> hell yeah
[18:03] <AuroraAvenue_> Bad Voltage is out ... https://twitter.com/badvoltage/status/723176043893288961
[20:45] <ali1234> okay 16.04 is installed
[20:46] <AuroraAvenue_> ali1234: Your ready to blast into this then: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/04/10-things-to-do-after-installing-ubuntu-16-04-lts
[20:47] <lopta> What makes Ubuntu different from other Linux distributions such as Debian?
[20:47] <AuroraAvenue_> lopta: Wow your late to the party.
[20:48]  * AuroraAvenue_ welcomes lopta
[20:48] <ali1234> hmm i don't think i'll be doing any of those things
[20:48] <lopta> AuroraAvenue_: I don't understand.
[20:49] <AuroraAvenue_> ali1234: I don't think you'd approve of 'anything' I ever could give you even if I tried . Try helping lopta out will you ?
[20:50] <ali1234> lopta: ubuntu (the desktop) is focused almost entirely on mobile and apps now
[20:50] <lopta> Ah ok. That would explain Unity.
[20:51] <ali1234> to this end they've written their own display server
[20:51] <ali1234> their own user interface
[20:51] <ali1234> and invented their own packaging system
[20:51] <ali1234> none of which is compatible with other distributions
[20:51] <lopta> Do people prefer Ubuntu's packaging system?
[20:51] <AuroraAvenue_> It's called the Ubuntu eco-system.
[20:51] <ali1234> nobody knows yet because it isn't finished
[20:51] <zmoylan-pi> and if you don't like unity (i don't) you can still go with kubuntu, xubuntu, lubuntu which still gives you a good distro with a lot of support
[20:52] <ali1234> there is actually a kind of preview of it in 16.04
[20:52] <ali1234> this is actually their second attempt at re-inventing Mac app bundles
[20:52] <ali1234> the first one, click, never went anywhere afaict
[20:55] <lopta> Does Ubuntu Phone use something like Unity?
[20:55] <ali1234> it uses unity
[20:55] <lopta> I should google for screen shots.
[20:55] <ali1234> unity 8 to be specific
[20:55] <ali1234> it looks almost exactly the same as unity 7
[20:56] <ali1234> okay unity8 is now installed and i logged in
[20:57] <zmoylan-pi> good luck :-)
[20:57] <ali1234> i just get a black screen
[20:57] <ali1234> popey?
[20:58] <lopta> Am I right in thinking that Unity is supposed to appeal to manufacturers of tablets and phones (and laptops?)?
[20:58] <ali1234> lopta: yes
[20:58]  * lopta ponders
[20:58] <ali1234> ooo it did somehting
[20:58] <ali1234> screensaver still works
[21:00] <ali1234> well it has completely crashed
[21:00] <ali1234> there's no ttys running?
[21:00] <ali1234> i don't know what to do now
[21:01] <ali1234> going to have to pull the battery
[21:01] <lopta> ali1234: What're you testing it on?
[21:01] <ali1234> a lenovo convertible
[21:02] <lopta> ali1234: Does it have a keyboard?
[21:02] <ali1234> yes
[21:02] <lopta> (not that familiar with convertibles)
[21:02] <lopta> Does Alt-F2 bring anything up?
[21:02] <ali1234> yes. it says "/dev/sda1: clean, ....."
[21:02] <ali1234> there are not ttys though
[21:03] <lopta> That's Alt-F2 and not Ctrl+Alt+F2 ?
[21:03] <ali1234> oh sorry. alt-f2 does nothing at all
[21:03] <lopta> Ah, ok.
[21:03] <ali1234> (as you would expect)
[21:03] <lopta> What does Ctrl-Alt-Backspace do?
[21:03] <ali1234> nothing
[21:03] <lopta> Oh, so much for that theory then.
[21:05] <ali1234> ah the power button
[21:05] <ali1234> that works
[21:06] <ali1234> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8-desktop-session/+bug/1537389
[21:06] <lubotu3`> Ubuntu bug 1537389 in unity8-desktop-session (Ubuntu) "The Desktop Never Loads and just stays on a black screen" [Critical,Confirmed]
[21:07] <ali1234> oh i have ttys now
[21:08] <lopta> Is Ubuntu popular?
[21:09] <ali1234> how do you define popular?
[21:11] <lopta> I suppose that's tough to measure.
[21:11] <zmoylan-pi> it's #3 on distrowatch which is a crude measure http://distrowatch.com/
[21:12] <lopta> zmoylan-pi: I'll take that as a "yes".
[21:16] <ali1234> running ubuntu-bug... let's see what it attaches
[21:22]  * lopta ponders
[21:23] <Myrtti> distrowatch is whack
[21:24] <lopta> Whack is a bad thing, right?
[21:24]  * lopta fires up a laptop to burn a DVD
[21:25] <zmoylan-pi> you can put the distro on a usb drive if you want to save yourself a dvd
[21:26] <lopta> zmoylan-pi: This one's not an Ubuntu disc. Thanks for the suggestion though.
[21:28] <lopta> Well, it's a disc for a distribution that is based on Ubuntu.
[21:28] <popey> yo
[21:28] <lopta> ...I may try an Ubuntu disc afterwards, if I get time.
[21:28] <lopta> (today)
[21:28] <Myrtti> lopta: well. The 'crude measure' is actually just 'how many people have looked at the page about Ubuntu on distrowatch' measure.
[21:28] <lopta> Hello popey!
[21:28] <ali1234> popey: unity8 is borked
[21:28] <Myrtti> so it's not much of any value.
[21:28] <lopta> Myrtti: That doesn't seem very scientific ;-)
[21:28] <ali1234> black screen, nothing happens. any ideas where i should look?
[21:28] <Myrtti> lopta: yeah, it's not.
[21:29] <lopta> ali1234: Not at the screen, apparently ;-)
[21:29] <ali1234> apparently
[21:29] <ali1234> i ran "ubuntu-bug unity8-desktop-session-mir" to see if it would attach anything useful, it did not
[21:29] <lopta> Is Mir lighter than X?
[21:30] <ali1234> there are no relevant errors on dmesg or syslog either
[21:30] <ali1234> lopta: probably... anything is lighter than X
[21:30] <lopta> ali1234: I'm surprised by that.
[21:33] <lopta> ali1234: Faster too?
[21:33] <ali1234> theoretically
[21:33] <ali1234> it's kind of hard to say when you just get a black screen
[21:34] <zmoylan-pi> but a fast black screen using little ram... :-P
[21:34] <ali1234> the display server is not usually the limiting factor if you have decent hardware
[21:34] <ali1234> unless you are playing a game
[21:34] <lopta> ali1234: Is this the first Ubuntu that included Mir, or used it by default?
[21:35] <ali1234> it does not use it by default
[21:35] <lopta> ali1234: Did you choose to try it?
[21:36] <ali1234> and the unity 8 preview has been available since 14.04
[21:40] <popey> ali1234:  which video card?
[21:40] <ali1234> some kind of intel
[21:40] <popey> hm
[21:40] <ali1234> Atom D4xx/D5xx/N4xx/N5xx Integrated
[21:40] <popey> I'd be inclined to ubuntu-bug unity8 or mir
[21:41] <popey> look in ~/.cache/upstart
[21:41] <lopta> ali1234: Don't use have the PowerVR GPU in them?
[21:41] <popey> unity8 log and unity8-dash log
[21:41] <ali1234> hmm there's some crashes in there
[21:41] <lopta> If it's what I think it is, it's not intel graphics, even though it's on an Intel die.
[21:42] <popey> that is also plausible
[21:42] <popey> ew poulsbo
[21:42] <ali1234> it's not poulsbo
[21:42] <popey> ok
[21:42] <ali1234> hang on i'll find out exactly what it is
[21:42] <lopta> Cedarview?
[21:43] <ali1234> it's this, but that's not very helpful: http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/catalog/component/pci/8086%3Aa011/
[21:45] <ali1234> apparently it is i915
[21:45] <ali1234> supports opengl 1.5, no ES
[21:46] <ali1234> another bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1536662
[21:46] <lubotu3`> Ubuntu bug 1536662 in mir (Ubuntu) "[regression] Black screen: Mir hangs and then crashes on startup/login due to reading from /dev/random" [Critical,Triaged]
[21:46] <ali1234> "Before logging in, move the mouse around lots, for at least 20 seconds." hehehe
[21:47] <popey> :)
[21:47] <ali1234> says its fixed
[21:48] <ali1234> i think my graphics is pineview
[21:48] <lopta> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Atom_microprocessors#.22Cedarview.22_.2832_nm.29
[21:48] <lopta> Pineview should be Dxxx rather than Dxxxx, iirc.
[21:49] <popey> fix committed, not released
[21:49] <ali1234> my CPU is N455
[21:49] <popey> so not in the archive?
[21:49] <ali1234> hmm possibly
[21:49] <lopta> Ah, that's Pineview then I think. I'll check.
[21:50] <lopta> Great, that's Intel graphics then.
[21:51] <ali1234> hmm let me reboot, wipe the logs, and try again
[21:52] <ali1234> aww i forgot to move the mouse around
[21:55] <lopta> I have to go home now.
[21:58] <ali1234> excessive mouse motion didn't help
[21:59] <ali1234> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15973611/
[22:01] <ali1234> hmm let's try ubuntu-bug unity8 since i have a crash file for it
[22:12] <ali1234> so te weird thing is i have a core dump that says unity8 exited with sigabort
[22:12] <ali1234> but it's still running
[22:13] <ali1234> maybe it is out of date
[22:17] <ali1234> hmm bamfdaemon is crashing
[22:18] <ali1234> but again, it's still running
[22:23] <popey> bamfdaemon isn't used in unity8
[22:24] <ali1234> yeah it appears to be crashing because there is not X11 available
[22:24] <popey> ah
[22:24] <ali1234> so i guess that is not related
[22:24] <popey> are you logging out and logging in with unity8 session?
[22:24] <ali1234> no
[22:24] <popey> ah
[22:24] <popey> do that :)
[22:24] <ali1234> i am selecting unity8 at the greeter
[22:24] <popey> oh, same thing
[22:24] <ali1234> i am not logging out, i don't have autologin set up. i thought thats what you meant
[22:24] <popey> oh
[22:25] <popey> i dont think we test side by side
[22:25] <popey> bet it works if you logout
[22:25] <ali1234> no no
[22:25] <ali1234> you don't understand
[22:25] <ali1234> i am not logging out because i am not logging in
[22:25] <ali1234> so there is nothing for me to log out of
[22:25] <ali1234> i could log in, then log out, then try unity8, if you think that would help?
[22:26] <ali1234> i do this: reboot -> select unity8 at greeter -> log in to unity8
[22:26] <ali1234> i have only logged in to unity7 once in order to install unity8
[22:28] <popey> oh
[22:28] <popey> sorry, thats what I meant
[22:28] <popey> only one session
[22:29] <popey> yeah, file a bug :)
[22:29] <ali1234> against unity8?
[22:29] <ali1234> i already filed one against unity8-desktop-session
[22:30] <ali1234> but apport didn't collect anything useful
[22:33] <ali1234> ah, i think i can apport-collect more useful information
[22:33] <ali1234> on the existing bug
[22:37] <ali1234> hmm that didn't work
[22:46] <popey> yeah, against unity8
[22:59] <ali1234> okay it still didn't attach the unity8.log
[23:05] <ali1234> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8-desktop-session/+bug/1573253
[23:05] <lubotu3`> Ubuntu bug 1573292 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1573253 Black screen after greeter." [Undecided,New]
[23:05] <ali1234> wait no
[23:06] <ali1234> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1573292 that one
[23:06] <lubotu3`> Ubuntu bug 1573292 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "Black screen after greeter." [Undecided,New]
[23:12] <ali1234> hmm i should have read that other bug all the way to the end
[23:12] <ali1234> pineview isnt supported
[23:22] <ali1234> unity 7 is pretty smooth though so thats nice
[23:22] <ali1234> takes forever to log in though