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pavlushkaGood morning ubuntu-za!!!!03:02
pavlushkaHello Kilos !05:19
pavlushkaGood Morning!05:20
Kilosmorning pavlushka and everyone else05:20
pavlushkabrb05:21
mazalMornings05:49
Kiloshi mazal 05:50
mazalHi Cryterion05:57
mazalHoe gaanit oom Kilos ?05:57
Kilosok dankie en self05:59
Kiloshi Cryterion inetpro 05:59
mazalHet bietjie die blues , maar andersins ok06:00
Kiloshoekom die blues06:01
mazalDoes anybody know why Thunderbrid ignores the system's default browser setting. ? I have chromium as default in the main system settings , but when opening a link in Thunderbird it opens firefox. I tried to check if thunderbird have it's own default browser setting , but couldn't find one06:02
mazalKilos, my verlof is amper verby06:02
Kiloslol06:02
Kilosive got the same prob but not ff midori06:03
Kilosand everywhere i have opera set as default browser06:03
mazalVery annoying , I hate firefox06:04
mazalLet's see what google says06:04
Kilosi have removed ff06:04
Kilosi will be quiet today, working outside06:07
mazalNow i need to find chromium's bin file06:10
mazalThis works: https://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/1391 , but is a very dirty solution06:12
Kilosi just right click copy link in mail now then open in the browser i want to use06:14
SquirmMorning07:58
dlPhreakGood morning08:06
Kiloshi Squirm dlPhreak 08:07
dlPhreakKilos: hi08:07
SquirmIt's a Kilos08:20
Kiloshuh08:22
mazalNice , this contains a new method of obtaining lbdvdcss , one of the missing parts in my install : http://www.webupd8.org/2016/04/things-to-do-after-installing-ubuntu-1604-lts-xenial-xerus.html10:12
mazallibdvdcss*10:12
Kilosah google is your friend10:13
mazalgogle didn't know10:16
mazalThat came via rss in a new article written by that gentleman10:16
mazalNow , my flash that is still not working.10:16
mazalI did the flush plugin installer like suggested , but flash still not working in Chromium10:17
Kilosnest time wait for after release date10:19
Kilosnext10:19
mazalTesting something , it seems it needs "pepper flash"10:19
Kilosthey are still working on it now10:19
mazalInstalling pepper now10:20
mazalhttp://askubuntu.com/questions/449103/chromium-34-and-later-cannot-detect-flash-plugin10:20
mazalYeah baby that works :)10:24
mazalpepper flash , I remember something of the kind10:24
mazalOk wish me luck , gotta go shower outside in this cold ( still no hot water in the flat )10:38
chesedoafternoon all10:45
pavlushkaafternoon chesedo!10:56
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inetproit’s finally here: the stable Ubuntu 16.04 LTS release is now available to download11:30
pavlushka\o/11:37
andrewlsd.woot11:42
bushtechanybody know how big the download is for 1604 upgrade?12:05
mazalinetpro, anything particular I must do to upgrade , or just normal update ?12:30
Kiloswill be over 1g i think bushtech 12:33
Kilosmazal how big was the iso you downloaded12:33
bushtechouch, thanks Kilos12:34
mazalKilos,1.5gig , but that was beta 212:34
Kilosouch12:34
Kiloseven bigger than 14.0412:34
bushtechpresumably you can do /dist/upgrade?12:37
bushtechwould that still be that big?12:38
andrewlsd  depends which version you were on. 12:41
andrewlsdif you were using a 16.04 beta already, then probably the changes will be relatively small12:41
andrewlsdif you're trying to upgrade from 14.04 then your upgrade will probably be significantly more than 1.5GB, due to the additional software you've got installed that will also need to be downloaded12:42
bushtechphew! thanks andrewlsd. still on 14.0412:44
andrewlsd(as am I)12:45
andrewlsdi'll do clean install rather12:45
bushtechtoo many tweaks and addons for clean install, don't want to set up all that again12:47
andrewlsdupgrading  is likely to be more painful.12:47
andrewlsdI keep /home separate and then I zip my /etc and do `dpkg --get-selections > /home/packages.out`12:48
andrewlsdso that I can find any system configs (e.g openvpn) and restore them after the clean install12:48
bushtechdont remember trouble coming from 12.0412:48
andrewlsdthe more things you have tweak (e.g user interface stuff) the more likely  you are to have dconf issues, or issues with packages that have been deprecated.12:49
andrewlsdIf you do the upgrade, I'd be keen to hear how it went. Maybe it will be smooth sailing.12:49
andrewlsd(which would be fantastic)12:50
bushtechwill have to wait for new month12:50
bushtechthe bugger is I've got 2 1404 servers12:51
andrewlsdapt-cache can be copied between the two servers.12:51
andrewlsd(only worth it if they're basically in the same network)12:51
andrewlsdbut that way you could avoid downloading packages twice 12:52
andrewlsd... and by upgrading one at a time you can make sure everything works properly before starting the upgrade of the second12:52
bushtechon same network, will check it out thanks12:52
andrewlsd(it's just basically `scp -r /var/cache/apt/archives   root@other.ip:/var/cache/apt/` )12:59
bushtechgreat thanks andrewlsd13:05
andrewlsdcool13:08
andrewlsdwhere y'all downloading 16.04 from. I can't find a ZA mirror with it already.13:08
andrewlsdI can see it via FTP://ftp.wa.co.za/pub/ubuntu/   ... .but  not in the "official" path. only in the hidden path used for synchronizing with upstream source.13:15
andrewlsdftp.saix.net doesn't yet have it13:16
andrewlsdftp.is.co.za does have it, but also in a hidden location13:16
SquirmI just used the torrent13:29
Squirmhttp://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/13:29
andrewlsdty Squirm 13:36
ChrisDamesHi Kilos many thanx and blessings to you13:38
Kilosty ChrisDames and you too13:38
Kiloswhats the thanks for?13:39
ChrisDamesFor the mesage via Maaz 13:39
Kiloswow when was that13:39
Kilosyou must visit more often or even lurk 24/713:40
ChrisDamesIm a bit lazy, also a ballie - getting started13:40
Kiloshaha13:40
ChrisDameslmga13:40
Kilosthe ballies are becoming more here13:40
Kilosjust now we are enough to lead the youngsters13:41
ChrisDamesnice to know13:41
Kiloshi Langjan 13:42
LangjanHi Kilos chris is with me13:42
Kiloshaha13:42
Kilosjust heard from visa peeps13:42
Langjansaying helo and getting to know ubuntu13:42
Langjangreat what they say?13:42
Kilosthey foned and said then scanned clearance must be in pdf or they cant print it\13:43
Kilossigh13:43
LangjanAi, unbelievable13:43
Kilosyeah13:43
Langjaneish!13:44
Kilosso now we wait weeks before they look again i suppose13:44
LangjanChrisDames, is an ex policeman dog handler, maybe he can train them13:44
Kilosuploaded in pdf in about 10 from their call13:44
Langjanthey do act like dogs13:44
Kilosthse youngsters need serious training13:45
Kilosoh you mean visa peeps13:45
Kiloshehe13:45
Langjanyes for sure13:45
Langjanlmga13:45
Kilosand its cold today13:45
Langjanok, cooler here also but still no rain13:46
Kilosnow Langjan 13:46
Kiloswe had a bit, enough to get wet while fencing13:46
Kilosnow listen oom13:46
Langjanlekker13:46
Langjanek luister seuntjie13:46
Kilosdont go download 16.04 yet13:46
Langjanno way!13:46
Langjanwont touch it until they chase me from 14.0413:47
Kiloswhen i get to OZ ill download it in unity and kde so when im back ill be able to see what im telling you to do13:47
Langjanok thks13:48
Kiloswill maybe get a good external there as well13:48
Kilosthis ssd is too small13:48
Langjanssd13:48
Kiloseven with the extra speed i miss my large drives13:49
Kilosbraai julle13:50
LangjanJuanitas machine has been upgraded to 8gb RAM, now I'm jealous13:50
Kilos?13:50
andrewlsdI came across a nice replacement caddy, for laptops.  You remove your optical drive, and this slots in in its place13:50
Kiloshahaha13:50
Kiloslotsa ram helps13:50
andrewlsdso you can have SSD and spinning.13:50
Langjancaddy?13:50
Kilosyes13:50
Langjanglofing...?13:50
Langjangolfing13:50
Kiloscaddy costs R1500 here13:50
Kiloswhew13:51
Kilostennis is better man 13:51
Langjanwhats a caddy, the ones I know carry your golf clubs13:51
Kilossomeone else hits the ball back at least13:51
Langjanyou get tennis elbow13:51
Kiloscaddy you put a drive in and put it in laptop dvdwriters place13:52
Kilosso then 2 drives13:52
Langjanoh, learning .....slowly13:52
Langjanand cost in oz?13:52
Kilosno idea yet13:53
andrewlsdLangjan: something like this: http://www.newmodeus.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=30913:53
Kilosbut i can get a battery for lappy there for $4513:53
Kiloshere they are R150013:53
Langjanok thks and hi andrewlsd 13:54
andrewlsdhi Langjan 13:54
Kilosandrewlsd he is older than me13:54
Langjanwhat you need a caddy for if you can plug drive into usb13:54
Kilos8 years and 2 months13:55
Langjanmmuch older, hy noem my oom13:55
andrewlsdLangjan: you can, but then you have to carry it separately.  which might be fine.13:55
Langjannow you must carry caddy also?13:56
andrewlsd... but if you have e.g already a 1TB hdd and now you get an SSD. ... the caddy lets you get the benefit of having an SSD without losing your existing data13:56
andrewlsdnah.13:56
Kilosno man13:56
andrewlsdyou leave the optical drive at home13:56
Kiloscaddy fits inside laptop13:56
andrewlsdit slots in where the DVD drive would have been.13:56
Langjanoh I see, ok but then no dvd drive?13:56
Langjancompromise always13:56
Kilosthey going out anyway13:56
Kilosno more ubuntu dvds either13:57
Kilosgonna be on sticks now13:57
Langjanwhat replaces them?13:57
Langjanoh ok13:57
Langjanmakes sense13:57
andrewlsdthe ubuntu USBs look very nice.13:57
Langjanlearning some more13:58
andrewlsdhttp://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=120613:58
Kilosyou seen them andrewlsd 13:58
andrewlsdI had one somewhere. 13:58
andrewlsdhmm. I wonder what I did with it. Probably gave it to someone else.13:58
Kilosaha13:58
andrewlsdthe "ubuntu" logo wore off quite quickly :-(13:58
Langjanok guys gonna love and leave you13:59
Kiloseverything wears off sooner or later13:59
Langjancaddys also13:59
Kilosgeniet dit oom Langjan 13:59
Langjandankie Kilos jy ook, strongs met die visum14:00
Kilosdankie julle oomies14:00
Langjancheers andrewlsd 14:00
Langjanby the way ChrisDames  is only 62, still puppy14:00
Kiloshahaha14:00
Langjanpuppy dog trainer14:01
ChrisDamesOk gents thanx14:01
Kilostell him ja boet14:01
Kiloscheers ChrisDames go well14:01
LangjanBye Kilos mooi loop14:02
Kilosjy ook my oom14:02
Kilosai!14:02
andrewlsdGood night uncles.14:20
Kiloscheers andrewlsd 14:20
Kiloshave a good night14:20
Kiloshttp://nhaines.livejournal.com/69901.html14:33
mazalThat sticks do look nice14:43
Kiloslol14:46
mazalGet few hundred of them , every user that comes in with infected stick I hand one of those." rather use this "14:49
mazaloh yummy , oom Kilos can I spend some more money ? :P15:07
mazalHi Cryterion15:07
Kiloson what now mazal 15:08
Cryterionhey mazal15:08
Kiloshi Cryterion 15:08
Cryterionhi Kilos15:08
mazalCOD got 4 new maps :)15:08
Kilosmaps of what15:08
mazalIs the internet's fault , throwing reviews and stuff at me15:08
mazalCall of Duty maps oom15:08
Kilosno man15:08
Kilosdont waste money15:09
mazalbut but....they look nice on the video :)15:09
Kilossowhat15:09
Kilosai!  ek sukkel15:09
mazalAnd I have to be up till 12 for updates , then I might as well get that too :P15:10
Kilosai!15:11
Kilosuse at15:11
mazalOi my *ding* still not working , I give up15:11
mazalI even set a sound to it manually15:11
Kiloslol15:12
Kilosset the sound in /usr/share/sounds15:12
mazalI did15:12
mazalI don't get what I'm doing wrong. Notification is on , sound is set15:13
Kilosunmute your volume15:13
mazalEverything else has volume15:13
Kilosai!15:13
mazalHi MaNL15:14
mazalHi pavlushka15:15
pavlushkaHI mazal!15:17
mazalOom Kilos : http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_20160421_171825-r2pBEvUc.png15:20
mazalI dunno what else to set15:20
magespawngood evening15:47
Kiloshi magespawn 15:47
pavlushkaevening magespawn !15:48
magespawnhow is everyone today?15:50
Kilosok ty and you15:50
magespawngood thanks15:52
mazalHi magespawn , good thanx15:52
magespawnanother day in sunny sa16:00
Kiloswas cold and drizzling here most of the day16:00
Kilosthen sun came out in time to hide behind the mountains16:01
Kiloswhat was the channel we used to watch on release days16:02
magespawnnot sure16:03
Kilossome peeps are torrenting it and others say it hasnt been released yet16:04
Kilossigh16:04
magespawni am not vanilla ubuntu on any system except my server16:04
Kiloshuh16:05
Kilosnot using?16:05
Kilosvanilla is a food flavouring16:05
magespawnalso means standard16:06
magespawnas in with no add on or modification16:09
Kilosoh16:09
Kiloshttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2016-April/000207.html16:27
magespawnmy server is already on that, i did a release upgrade awhile back when it was still in testing16:44
Kiloswow16:52
Kilosyou brave hey magespawn 16:52
magespawni was not really using for anything critical, home machine to test things on17:00
inetprohttp://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-16-04-lts-release-anouncement/17:00
inetprogood evening17:02
magespawnhi inetpro17:03
magespawnsuperfly just broke something17:03
* Cryterion thinks he broke something17:05
Cryterionanyone know what command I need to put into terminal to get ubuntu server 14.04 to upgrade to 16.0417:06
magespawnmaybe do-release-upgrade17:06
magespawn?17:06
magespawnwithout the maybe17:06
Trixar_zaI probably won't do it that way though17:06
Trixar_zaUpgrades between two following versions are likely to work, but the further apart their versions numbers are, the higher the chance that something will break somewhere - if not the whole thing.17:08
Cryterionnope didn't work17:08
magespawni have usually gone from to the nest release without skipping a release17:08
magespawns/nest/next17:08
magespawnwhat happened17:08
magespawn?17:08
magespawnTrixar_za: won't it still see 15 as the next release and go there first?17:10
Trixar_zamagespawn, probably, but no upgrade system is perfect. I tend to prefer a format and reinstall myself17:12
Trixar_zaStart clean17:12
magespawnlike ways too, usually because i have messing around with things a bit17:13
magespawnCryterion: do-release-upgrade -d17:13
magespawnthat might force the issue17:13
mazal_For the MATE guys : http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/webupd8/~3/CYnpxpkcnIg/a-quick-look-at-ubuntu-mate-1604-lts.html17:20
Kiloshttps://developer.ubuntu.com/en/blog/2016/04/21/the-squirrel-has-landed/17:29
Kiloswho_da_fly something crashed17:30
Kilosmazal_ wat sleep jy stert17:31
magespawnCryterion really did break something17:35
Kiloswhat was he doing17:36
magespawntrying to update a server17:36
Kilosoh my17:36
magespawnbut iwas actually just refering to the netsplit17:37
Kiloshaha17:37
Kiloswb Cryterion what did you break17:37
Cryterionrouter gives trouble now and then17:45
Cryterioncan't upgrade my server to 16.0417:45
Cryterionstays at 14.0417:45
magespawneven with do-release-upgrade -d17:46
magespawn?17:46
pavlushkaHi ebery one!17:46
magespawnhi pavlushka 17:46
pavlushka*every17:46
pavlushkaHi magespawn !!!17:46
pavlushkaOne think I wanna know17:46
pavlushkaI am using daily build of 12th appril17:47
Cryterionok it's going now, tks17:47
pavlushkahow the final release will work for me?17:47
magespawnfor ubuntu 16.04 pavlushka ?17:53
pavlushkayes17:53
magespawni am not too sure, if it will continue with the daily builds or if there is break and you go onto the current release17:54
magespawnbetter ask one of the brains17:54
who_da_flyKilos: hrm, I see17:58
magespawnanybody with experience of qemu?18:13
mazal_pavlushka, http://nhaines.livejournal.com/69901.html18:14
mazal_There is one part that might answer your question18:14
mazal_As I understand it , any version of 16.04 is updated to final release now via normal updates. ( Please correct me someone if I read that wrong )18:15
pavlushkamazal_: I was told that but was a little confused.18:16
mazal_Point 9 and 10 under upgrading18:17
Kilosyes mazal_ point 918:19
LangjanHi Kilos hoesit?18:19
KilosIf you run Software Updater after the release of Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, your version of xenial will be the same as the released version of Ubuntu.18:19
Kilosgoed dankie Langjan en jy18:19
LangjanGoed dankie my vriend18:19
LangjanSal Pieter dalk more teen middagete se tyd die hardeskyf kan oplaai?18:20
Kilosja18:20
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magespawnokay, does that mean until the next release you stay on that version? or does it mean as soon as there are daily builds you will carry on upgrading on the daily builds?18:20
Kilosdis klaar in anti static pakkie18:20
LangjanGaaf baie dankie, dan is hy oppad om te kom kuier18:21
Kilosit means its then same as an installation from the release iso18:21
Kilosreg ek sal foon dra as ek onthou18:21
Kiloshehe18:21
Kiloslaat weet my net hier ook hoe laat sal hy hier wees18:22
magespawnah okay, so off the daily build route completely then18:22
Kilosek heel dag in en uit met skape en draad reg maak18:22
Kiloslooks like it magespawn 18:22
LangjanLyk na so tussen 1 en 218:23
magespawnthat makes sense, so that the choice to use daiy builds is a concious one18:23
Kilosok ek sal skape weg vat en hek oop los18:23
Kilosdaily builds stop i think magespawn 18:24
Kilosthen just bug fixes18:24
who_da_flymazal: yes, you just do your normal upgrades18:25
who_da_flymagespawn: I've used qemu, what are you looking for?18:25
magespawni am looking to run gns3 in a virtual machine18:26
=== who_da_fly is now known as superfly
superflygns3?18:29
magespawna network virtualiztion software18:29
magespawnhttps://www.gns3.com/software18:30
pavlushkamazal: thanks for revealing it to me that I am already upgraded, :)18:32
pavlushka\o/18:32
Kilosnight all. sleep tight18:33
mazalNag oom , lekker slaap18:33
magespawnearly to bed Kilos, good night18:33
mazalpavlushka, yw18:33
Trixar_zaBtw, Prince died18:33
Kilosty you too18:33
mazalSjoe the network is struggling , only getting 70k on download18:36
magespawnTrixar_za: only 5718:38
Trixar_zaYeah, of "flu-like symtoms" - whatever that means >.>18:38
magespawndoesn't look like they suspect foul play18:40
pavlushkaGood night guys!18:54
superflymagespawn: https://wiki.debian.org/KVM18:57
superflymagespawn: sorry for the delay, got distracted18:58
LangjanEk sien oom Kilos het al gaan slaap, ek is nie so bevoorreg nie maar moet julle nou groet. 19:00
magespawnsuperfly: no problem, i know what that is like19:03
magespawnsuperfly: thanks for that19:14

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