[03:02] <pavlushka> Good morning ubuntu-za!!!!
[05:19] <pavlushka> Hello Kilos !
[05:20] <pavlushka> Good Morning!
[05:20] <Kilos> morning pavlushka and everyone else
[05:21] <pavlushka> brb
[05:49] <mazal> Mornings
[05:50] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[05:57] <mazal> Hi Cryterion
[05:57] <mazal> Hoe gaanit oom Kilos ?
[05:59] <Kilos> ok dankie en self
[05:59] <Kilos> hi Cryterion inetpro 
[06:00] <mazal> Het bietjie die blues , maar andersins ok
[06:01] <Kilos> hoekom die blues
[06:02] <mazal> Does anybody know why Thunderbrid ignores the system's default browser setting. ? I have chromium as default in the main system settings , but when opening a link in Thunderbird it opens firefox. I tried to check if thunderbird have it's own default browser setting , but couldn't find one
[06:02] <mazal> Kilos, my verlof is amper verby
[06:02] <Kilos> lol
[06:03] <Kilos> ive got the same prob but not ff midori
[06:03] <Kilos> and everywhere i have opera set as default browser
[06:04] <mazal> Very annoying , I hate firefox
[06:04] <mazal> Let's see what google says
[06:04] <Kilos> i have removed ff
[06:07] <Kilos> i will be quiet today, working outside
[06:10] <mazal> Now i need to find chromium's bin file
[06:12] <mazal> This works: https://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/1391 , but is a very dirty solution
[06:14] <Kilos> i just right click copy link in mail now then open in the browser i want to use
[07:58] <Squirm> Morning
[08:06] <dlPhreak> Good morning
[08:07] <Kilos> hi Squirm dlPhreak 
[08:07] <dlPhreak> Kilos: hi
[08:20] <Squirm> It's a Kilos
[08:22] <Kilos> huh
[10:12] <mazal> Nice , this contains a new method of obtaining lbdvdcss , one of the missing parts in my install : http://www.webupd8.org/2016/04/things-to-do-after-installing-ubuntu-1604-lts-xenial-xerus.html
[10:12] <mazal> libdvdcss*
[10:13] <Kilos> ah google is your friend
[10:16] <mazal> gogle didn't know
[10:16] <mazal> That came via rss in a new article written by that gentleman
[10:16] <mazal> Now , my flash that is still not working.
[10:17] <mazal> I did the flush plugin installer like suggested , but flash still not working in Chromium
[10:19] <Kilos> nest time wait for after release date
[10:19] <Kilos> next
[10:19] <mazal> Testing something , it seems it needs "pepper flash"
[10:19] <Kilos> they are still working on it now
[10:20] <mazal> Installing pepper now
[10:20] <mazal> http://askubuntu.com/questions/449103/chromium-34-and-later-cannot-detect-flash-plugin
[10:24] <mazal> Yeah baby that works :)
[10:24] <mazal> pepper flash , I remember something of the kind
[10:38] <mazal> Ok wish me luck , gotta go shower outside in this cold ( still no hot water in the flat )
[10:45] <chesedo> afternoon all
[10:56] <pavlushka> afternoon chesedo!
[11:30] <inetpro> it’s finally here: the stable Ubuntu 16.04 LTS release is now available to download
[11:37] <pavlushka> \o/
[11:42] <andrewlsd> .woot
[12:05] <bushtech> anybody know how big the download is for 1604 upgrade?
[12:30] <mazal> inetpro, anything particular I must do to upgrade , or just normal update ?
[12:33] <Kilos> will be over 1g i think bushtech 
[12:33] <Kilos> mazal how big was the iso you downloaded
[12:34] <bushtech> ouch, thanks Kilos
[12:34] <mazal> Kilos,1.5gig , but that was beta 2
[12:34] <Kilos> ouch
[12:34] <Kilos> even bigger than 14.04
[12:37] <bushtech> presumably you can do /dist/upgrade?
[12:38] <bushtech> would that still be that big?
[12:41] <andrewlsd>   depends which version you were on. 
[12:41] <andrewlsd> if you were using a 16.04 beta already, then probably the changes will be relatively small
[12:42] <andrewlsd> if you're trying to upgrade from 14.04 then your upgrade will probably be significantly more than 1.5GB, due to the additional software you've got installed that will also need to be downloaded
[12:44] <bushtech> phew! thanks andrewlsd. still on 14.04
[12:45] <andrewlsd> (as am I)
[12:45] <andrewlsd> i'll do clean install rather
[12:47] <bushtech> too many tweaks and addons for clean install, don't want to set up all that again
[12:47] <andrewlsd> upgrading  is likely to be more painful.
[12:48] <andrewlsd> I keep /home separate and then I zip my /etc and do `dpkg --get-selections > /home/packages.out`
[12:48] <andrewlsd> so that I can find any system configs (e.g openvpn) and restore them after the clean install
[12:48] <bushtech> dont remember trouble coming from 12.04
[12:49] <andrewlsd> the more things you have tweak (e.g user interface stuff) the more likely  you are to have dconf issues, or issues with packages that have been deprecated.
[12:49] <andrewlsd> If you do the upgrade, I'd be keen to hear how it went. Maybe it will be smooth sailing.
[12:50] <andrewlsd> (which would be fantastic)
[12:50] <bushtech> will have to wait for new month
[12:51] <bushtech> the bugger is I've got 2 1404 servers
[12:51] <andrewlsd> apt-cache can be copied between the two servers.
[12:51] <andrewlsd> (only worth it if they're basically in the same network)
[12:52] <andrewlsd> but that way you could avoid downloading packages twice 
[12:52] <andrewlsd> ... and by upgrading one at a time you can make sure everything works properly before starting the upgrade of the second
[12:52] <bushtech> on same network, will check it out thanks
[12:59] <andrewlsd> (it's just basically `scp -r /var/cache/apt/archives   root@other.ip:/var/cache/apt/` )
[13:05] <bushtech> great thanks andrewlsd
[13:08] <andrewlsd> cool
[13:08] <andrewlsd> where y'all downloading 16.04 from. I can't find a ZA mirror with it already.
[13:15] <andrewlsd> I can see it via FTP://ftp.wa.co.za/pub/ubuntu/   ... .but  not in the "official" path. only in the hidden path used for synchronizing with upstream source.
[13:16] <andrewlsd> ftp.saix.net doesn't yet have it
[13:16] <andrewlsd> ftp.is.co.za does have it, but also in a hidden location
[13:29] <Squirm> I just used the torrent
[13:29] <Squirm> http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/
[13:36] <andrewlsd> ty Squirm 
[13:38] <ChrisDames> Hi Kilos many thanx and blessings to you
[13:38] <Kilos> ty ChrisDames and you too
[13:39] <Kilos> whats the thanks for?
[13:39] <ChrisDames> For the mesage via Maaz 
[13:39] <Kilos> wow when was that
[13:40] <Kilos> you must visit more often or even lurk 24/7
[13:40] <ChrisDames> Im a bit lazy, also a ballie - getting started
[13:40] <Kilos> haha
[13:40] <ChrisDames> lmga
[13:40] <Kilos> the ballies are becoming more here
[13:41] <Kilos> just now we are enough to lead the youngsters
[13:41] <ChrisDames> nice to know
[13:42] <Kilos> hi Langjan 
[13:42] <Langjan> Hi Kilos chris is with me
[13:42] <Kilos> haha
[13:42] <Kilos> just heard from visa peeps
[13:42] <Langjan> saying helo and getting to know ubuntu
[13:42] <Langjan> great what they say?
[13:43] <Kilos> they foned and said then scanned clearance must be in pdf or they cant print it\
[13:43] <Kilos> sigh
[13:43] <Langjan> Ai, unbelievable
[13:43] <Kilos> yeah
[13:44] <Langjan> eish!
[13:44] <Kilos> so now we wait weeks before they look again i suppose
[13:44] <Langjan> ChrisDames, is an ex policeman dog handler, maybe he can train them
[13:44] <Kilos> uploaded in pdf in about 10 from their call
[13:44] <Langjan> they do act like dogs
[13:45] <Kilos> thse youngsters need serious training
[13:45] <Kilos> oh you mean visa peeps
[13:45] <Kilos> hehe
[13:45] <Langjan> yes for sure
[13:45] <Langjan> lmga
[13:45] <Kilos> and its cold today
[13:46] <Langjan> ok, cooler here also but still no rain
[13:46] <Kilos> now Langjan 
[13:46] <Kilos> we had a bit, enough to get wet while fencing
[13:46] <Kilos> now listen oom
[13:46] <Langjan> lekker
[13:46] <Langjan> ek luister seuntjie
[13:46] <Kilos> dont go download 16.04 yet
[13:46] <Langjan> no way!
[13:47] <Langjan> wont touch it until they chase me from 14.04
[13:47] <Kilos> when i get to OZ ill download it in unity and kde so when im back ill be able to see what im telling you to do
[13:48] <Langjan> ok thks
[13:48] <Kilos> will maybe get a good external there as well
[13:48] <Kilos> this ssd is too small
[13:48] <Langjan> ssd
[13:49] <Kilos> even with the extra speed i miss my large drives
[13:50] <Kilos> braai julle
[13:50] <Langjan> Juanitas machine has been upgraded to 8gb RAM, now I'm jealous
[13:50] <Kilos> ?
[13:50] <andrewlsd> I came across a nice replacement caddy, for laptops.  You remove your optical drive, and this slots in in its place
[13:50] <Kilos> hahaha
[13:50] <Kilos> lotsa ram helps
[13:50] <andrewlsd> so you can have SSD and spinning.
[13:50] <Langjan> caddy?
[13:50] <Kilos> yes
[13:50] <Langjan> glofing...?
[13:50] <Langjan> golfing
[13:50] <Kilos> caddy costs R1500 here
[13:51] <Kilos> whew
[13:51] <Kilos> tennis is better man 
[13:51] <Langjan> whats a caddy, the ones I know carry your golf clubs
[13:51] <Kilos> someone else hits the ball back at least
[13:51] <Langjan> you get tennis elbow
[13:52] <Kilos> caddy you put a drive in and put it in laptop dvdwriters place
[13:52] <Kilos> so then 2 drives
[13:52] <Langjan> oh, learning .....slowly
[13:52] <Langjan> and cost in oz?
[13:53] <Kilos> no idea yet
[13:53] <andrewlsd> Langjan: something like this: http://www.newmodeus.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=309
[13:53] <Kilos> but i can get a battery for lappy there for $45
[13:53] <Kilos> here they are R1500
[13:54] <Langjan> ok thks and hi andrewlsd 
[13:54] <andrewlsd> hi Langjan 
[13:54] <Kilos> andrewlsd he is older than me
[13:54] <Langjan> what you need a caddy for if you can plug drive into usb
[13:55] <Kilos> 8 years and 2 months
[13:55] <Langjan> mmuch older, hy noem my oom
[13:55] <andrewlsd> Langjan: you can, but then you have to carry it separately.  which might be fine.
[13:56] <Langjan> now you must carry caddy also?
[13:56] <andrewlsd> ... but if you have e.g already a 1TB hdd and now you get an SSD. ... the caddy lets you get the benefit of having an SSD without losing your existing data
[13:56] <andrewlsd> nah.
[13:56] <Kilos> no man
[13:56] <andrewlsd> you leave the optical drive at home
[13:56] <Kilos> caddy fits inside laptop
[13:56] <andrewlsd> it slots in where the DVD drive would have been.
[13:56] <Langjan> oh I see, ok but then no dvd drive?
[13:56] <Langjan> compromise always
[13:56] <Kilos> they going out anyway
[13:57] <Kilos> no more ubuntu dvds either
[13:57] <Kilos> gonna be on sticks now
[13:57] <Langjan> what replaces them?
[13:57] <Langjan> oh ok
[13:57] <Langjan> makes sense
[13:57] <andrewlsd> the ubuntu USBs look very nice.
[13:58] <Langjan> learning some more
[13:58] <andrewlsd> http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=1206
[13:58] <Kilos> you seen them andrewlsd 
[13:58] <andrewlsd> I had one somewhere. 
[13:58] <andrewlsd> hmm. I wonder what I did with it. Probably gave it to someone else.
[13:58] <Kilos> aha
[13:58] <andrewlsd> the "ubuntu" logo wore off quite quickly :-(
[13:59] <Langjan> ok guys gonna love and leave you
[13:59] <Kilos> everything wears off sooner or later
[13:59] <Langjan> caddys also
[13:59] <Kilos> geniet dit oom Langjan 
[14:00] <Langjan> dankie Kilos jy ook, strongs met die visum
[14:00] <Kilos> dankie julle oomies
[14:00] <Langjan> cheers andrewlsd 
[14:00] <Langjan> by the way ChrisDames  is only 62, still puppy
[14:00] <Kilos> hahaha
[14:01] <Langjan> puppy dog trainer
[14:01] <ChrisDames> Ok gents thanx
[14:01] <Kilos> tell him ja boet
[14:01] <Kilos> cheers ChrisDames go well
[14:02] <Langjan> Bye Kilos mooi loop
[14:02] <Kilos> jy ook my oom
[14:02] <Kilos> ai!
[14:20] <andrewlsd> Good night uncles.
[14:20] <Kilos> cheers andrewlsd 
[14:20] <Kilos> have a good night
[14:33] <Kilos> http://nhaines.livejournal.com/69901.html
[14:43] <mazal> That sticks do look nice
[14:46] <Kilos> lol
[14:49] <mazal> Get few hundred of them , every user that comes in with infected stick I hand one of those." rather use this "
[15:07] <mazal> oh yummy , oom Kilos can I spend some more money ? :P
[15:07] <mazal> Hi Cryterion
[15:08] <Kilos> on what now mazal 
[15:08] <Cryterion> hey mazal
[15:08] <Kilos> hi Cryterion 
[15:08] <Cryterion> hi Kilos
[15:08] <mazal> COD got 4 new maps :)
[15:08] <Kilos> maps of what
[15:08] <mazal> Is the internet's fault , throwing reviews and stuff at me
[15:08] <mazal> Call of Duty maps oom
[15:08] <Kilos> no man
[15:09] <Kilos> dont waste money
[15:09] <mazal> but but....they look nice on the video :)
[15:09] <Kilos> sowhat
[15:09] <Kilos> ai!  ek sukkel
[15:10] <mazal> And I have to be up till 12 for updates , then I might as well get that too :P
[15:11] <Kilos> ai!
[15:11] <Kilos> use at
[15:11] <mazal> Oi my *ding* still not working , I give up
[15:11] <mazal> I even set a sound to it manually
[15:12] <Kilos> lol
[15:12] <Kilos> set the sound in /usr/share/sounds
[15:12] <mazal> I did
[15:13] <mazal> I don't get what I'm doing wrong. Notification is on , sound is set
[15:13] <Kilos> unmute your volume
[15:13] <mazal> Everything else has volume
[15:13] <Kilos> ai!
[15:14] <mazal> Hi MaNL
[15:15] <mazal> Hi pavlushka
[15:17] <pavlushka> HI mazal!
[15:20] <mazal> Oom Kilos : http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_20160421_171825-r2pBEvUc.png
[15:20] <mazal> I dunno what else to set
[15:47] <magespawn> good evening
[15:47] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[15:48] <pavlushka> evening magespawn !
[15:50] <magespawn> how is everyone today?
[15:50] <Kilos> ok ty and you
[15:52] <magespawn> good thanks
[15:52] <mazal> Hi magespawn , good thanx
[16:00] <magespawn> another day in sunny sa
[16:00] <Kilos> was cold and drizzling here most of the day
[16:01] <Kilos> then sun came out in time to hide behind the mountains
[16:02] <Kilos> what was the channel we used to watch on release days
[16:03] <magespawn> not sure
[16:04] <Kilos> some peeps are torrenting it and others say it hasnt been released yet
[16:04] <Kilos> sigh
[16:04] <magespawn> i am not vanilla ubuntu on any system except my server
[16:05] <Kilos> huh
[16:05] <Kilos> not using?
[16:05] <Kilos> vanilla is a food flavouring
[16:06] <magespawn> also means standard
[16:09] <magespawn> as in with no add on or modification
[16:09] <Kilos> oh
[16:27] <Kilos> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2016-April/000207.html
[16:44] <magespawn> my server is already on that, i did a release upgrade awhile back when it was still in testing
[16:52] <Kilos> wow
[16:52] <Kilos> you brave hey magespawn 
[17:00] <magespawn> i was not really using for anything critical, home machine to test things on
[17:00] <inetpro> http://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-16-04-lts-release-anouncement/
[17:02] <inetpro> good evening
[17:03] <magespawn> hi inetpro
[17:03] <magespawn> superfly just broke something
[17:05]  * Cryterion thinks he broke something
[17:06] <Cryterion> anyone know what command I need to put into terminal to get ubuntu server 14.04 to upgrade to 16.04
[17:06] <magespawn> maybe do-release-upgrade
[17:06] <magespawn> ?
[17:06] <magespawn> without the maybe
[17:06] <Trixar_za> I probably won't do it that way though
[17:08] <Trixar_za> Upgrades between two following versions are likely to work, but the further apart their versions numbers are, the higher the chance that something will break somewhere - if not the whole thing.
[17:08] <Cryterion> nope didn't work
[17:08] <magespawn> i have usually gone from to the nest release without skipping a release
[17:08] <magespawn> s/nest/next
[17:08] <magespawn> what happened
[17:08] <magespawn> ?
[17:10] <magespawn> Trixar_za: won't it still see 15 as the next release and go there first?
[17:12] <Trixar_za> magespawn, probably, but no upgrade system is perfect. I tend to prefer a format and reinstall myself
[17:12] <Trixar_za> Start clean
[17:13] <magespawn> like ways too, usually because i have messing around with things a bit
[17:13] <magespawn> Cryterion: do-release-upgrade -d
[17:13] <magespawn> that might force the issue
[17:20] <mazal_> For the MATE guys : http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/webupd8/~3/CYnpxpkcnIg/a-quick-look-at-ubuntu-mate-1604-lts.html
[17:29] <Kilos> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/blog/2016/04/21/the-squirrel-has-landed/
[17:30] <Kilos> who_da_fly something crashed
[17:31] <Kilos> mazal_ wat sleep jy stert
[17:35] <magespawn> Cryterion really did break something
[17:36] <Kilos> what was he doing
[17:36] <magespawn> trying to update a server
[17:36] <Kilos> oh my
[17:37] <magespawn> but iwas actually just refering to the netsplit
[17:37] <Kilos> haha
[17:37] <Kilos> wb Cryterion what did you break
[17:45] <Cryterion> router gives trouble now and then
[17:45] <Cryterion> can't upgrade my server to 16.04
[17:45] <Cryterion> stays at 14.04
[17:46] <magespawn> even with do-release-upgrade -d
[17:46] <magespawn> ?
[17:46] <pavlushka> Hi ebery one!
[17:46] <magespawn> hi pavlushka 
[17:46] <pavlushka> *every
[17:46] <pavlushka> Hi magespawn !!!
[17:46] <pavlushka> One think I wanna know
[17:47] <pavlushka> I am using daily build of 12th appril
[17:47] <Cryterion> ok it's going now, tks
[17:47] <pavlushka> how the final release will work for me?
[17:53] <magespawn> for ubuntu 16.04 pavlushka ?
[17:53] <pavlushka> yes
[17:54] <magespawn> i am not too sure, if it will continue with the daily builds or if there is break and you go onto the current release
[17:54] <magespawn> better ask one of the brains
[17:58] <who_da_fly> Kilos: hrm, I see
[18:13] <magespawn> anybody with experience of qemu?
[18:14] <mazal_> pavlushka, http://nhaines.livejournal.com/69901.html
[18:14] <mazal_> There is one part that might answer your question
[18:15] <mazal_> As I understand it , any version of 16.04 is updated to final release now via normal updates. ( Please correct me someone if I read that wrong )
[18:16] <pavlushka> mazal_: I was told that but was a little confused.
[18:17] <mazal_> Point 9 and 10 under upgrading
[18:19] <Kilos> yes mazal_ point 9
[18:19] <Langjan> Hi Kilos hoesit?
[18:19] <Kilos> If you run Software Updater after the release of Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, your version of xenial will be the same as the released version of Ubuntu.
[18:19] <Kilos> goed dankie Langjan en jy
[18:19] <Langjan> Goed dankie my vriend
[18:20] <Langjan> Sal Pieter dalk more teen middagete se tyd die hardeskyf kan oplaai?
[18:20] <Kilos> ja
[18:20] <magespawn> okay, does that mean until the next release you stay on that version? or does it mean as soon as there are daily builds you will carry on upgrading on the daily builds?
[18:20] <Kilos> dis klaar in anti static pakkie
[18:21] <Langjan> Gaaf baie dankie, dan is hy oppad om te kom kuier
[18:21] <Kilos> it means its then same as an installation from the release iso
[18:21] <Kilos> reg ek sal foon dra as ek onthou
[18:21] <Kilos> hehe
[18:22] <Kilos> laat weet my net hier ook hoe laat sal hy hier wees
[18:22] <magespawn> ah okay, so off the daily build route completely then
[18:22] <Kilos> ek heel dag in en uit met skape en draad reg maak
[18:22] <Kilos> looks like it magespawn 
[18:23] <Langjan> Lyk na so tussen 1 en 2
[18:23] <magespawn> that makes sense, so that the choice to use daiy builds is a concious one
[18:23] <Kilos> ok ek sal skape weg vat en hek oop los
[18:24] <Kilos> daily builds stop i think magespawn 
[18:24] <Kilos> then just bug fixes
[18:25] <who_da_fly> mazal: yes, you just do your normal upgrades
[18:25] <who_da_fly> magespawn: I've used qemu, what are you looking for?
[18:26] <magespawn> i am looking to run gns3 in a virtual machine
[18:29] <superfly> gns3?
[18:29] <magespawn> a network virtualiztion software
[18:30] <magespawn> https://www.gns3.com/software
[18:32] <pavlushka> mazal: thanks for revealing it to me that I am already upgraded, :)
[18:32] <pavlushka> \o/
[18:33] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[18:33] <mazal> Nag oom , lekker slaap
[18:33] <magespawn> early to bed Kilos, good night
[18:33] <mazal> pavlushka, yw
[18:33] <Trixar_za> Btw, Prince died
[18:33] <Kilos> ty you too
[18:36] <mazal> Sjoe the network is struggling , only getting 70k on download
[18:38] <magespawn> Trixar_za: only 57
[18:38] <Trixar_za> Yeah, of "flu-like symtoms" - whatever that means >.>
[18:40] <magespawn> doesn't look like they suspect foul play
[18:54] <pavlushka> Good night guys!
[18:57] <superfly> magespawn: https://wiki.debian.org/KVM
[18:58] <superfly> magespawn: sorry for the delay, got distracted
[19:00] <Langjan> Ek sien oom Kilos het al gaan slaap, ek is nie so bevoorreg nie maar moet julle nou groet. 
[19:03] <magespawn> superfly: no problem, i know what that is like
[19:14] <magespawn> superfly: thanks for that