[00:00] <c0nfuseki> @Whiskey what is the folder name you want to read?
[00:00] <Annoyed> Greetings. Anybody hear of a recent samba patch breaking things?
[00:00] <Annoyed> Can no longer write to shares from windows
[00:01] <Bashing-om> Tundra-OldDsktop: " eth0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state UNKNOWN mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000" or somewhat similar ??
[00:02] <Whiskey> glbot
[00:02] <Whiskey> i can read it
[00:02] <Whiskey> but i can´t write to it
[00:02] <c0nfuseki> @Whiskey Are you IN the glbot folder, or ABOVE the glbot folder?
[00:03] <Whiskey> im in it
[00:03] <Whiskey> but can be above it also :D
[00:03] <Whiskey> fyah is owner of the folder, i just need access to write to it to
[00:03] <Whiskey> "two"
[00:04] <Shai-Tan> Callee RC:
[00:04] <Shai-Tan> REGDB_E_CLASSNOTREG (0x80040154)
[00:04] <Shai-Tan> thanks virtual box
[00:04] <Annoyed> Whiskey, are you by any chance talking about not being able to write to a samba share?
[00:04] <Whiskey> Annoyed: don´t know
[00:04] <Whiskey> im in some others home folder
[00:04] <Whiskey> and im connected whit eclipse and can´t save my edits to it
[00:05] <Tundra-OldDsktop> Bashing-om: yeah
[00:05] <Annoyed> ok, nm, I'm seeing something with samba, apparently recent patch.
[00:06] <Whiskey> i don´t get it
[00:06] <Whiskey> how hard can it be to get two users to access a folder
[00:07] <c0nfuseki> @Whiskey can you paste for us what it says when you type sudo chmod -R 755 glbot ???
[00:08] <c0nfuseki> careful though... 755 assumes some things
[00:08] <Whiskey> i have slove it logged in as root
[00:08] <c0nfuseki> read through what the current permissions are first, Whiskey
[00:08] <Bashing-om> Tundra-OldDsktop: A[[ears then it is working (??) what now ' ip route list ' ?
[00:10] <guest-uEZMmf_> conchesumare
[00:14] <Tundra-OldDsktop> Bashing-om: no return
[00:15] <nrdb> it appears that the next release of ubuntu is available 16.04 ... why does "do-release-upgrade" not find anything?
[00:16] <zombifier> isn't it going out tomorrow?
[00:17] <nils_> depending on your timezone
[00:17] <nils_> it'll take a bit of time, it's not official but you could get a head start
[00:19] <Bashing-om> Tundra-OldDsktop: Yuk ! When you "reset" the router, do you pull the power, let it set for 30 seconds and reconnect the power. does the router reset  ?
[00:19] <Tundra-OldDsktop> Bashing-om: yeah
[00:19] <nils_> nrdb: try with -d
[00:20] <Ben64> 16.04 isn't out until tomorrow
[00:20] <nedstark> tomorrow in what time zone
[00:21] <Ben64> tomorrow in all time zones
[00:21] <Bashing-om> Tundra-OldDsktop: ' lsmod | grep r816 ' shows only the r8168 module ?
[00:21] <nedstark> ben64, it's tomorrow in the uk, and today in the us
[00:21] <Tundra-OldDsktop> Bashing-om: yep
[00:21] <Ben64> nedstark: no
[00:21] <nedstark> 12:24 AM
[00:21] <nedstark> UTC
[00:21] <Myrtti> thutsday afternoon UK time, usually. It's 0122 there now.
[00:22] <Ben64> tomorrow is still tomorrow
[00:22] <nedstark> tomorrow is Friday to Queen Elizabeth
[00:22] <Ben64> yep, and 16.04 will be out by then
[00:22] <nedstark> tomorrow is Thursday to me
[00:22] <Myrtti> good grief
[00:23] <nedstark> i have her # if you want to ask
[00:23] <Myrtti> move on.
[00:23] <Bashing-om> Tundra-OldDsktop: Dyal booting Windows, and Windows has no problem ; local loop is good.I am at a loss .. I co not know where the problem may lie . think'n dome more . Anyone else with an idea ?
[00:23] <nrdb> nils_, the -d option didn't also said "no update found"
[00:23] <nils_> nrdb: that's odd, it works for me.
[00:24] <Bashing-om> Tundra-OldDsktop: Once more verify the file /etc/network/interfaces .
[00:24] <nils_> nrdb: http://pastebin.com/1G80k3Je
[00:25] <Tundra-OldDsktop> Bashing-om: no different
[00:26] <Bashing-om> Tundra-OldDsktop: Is there a firewall active ?
[00:27] <Tundra-OldDsktop> Bashing-om: nothing that's not built in
[00:28] <House> hi all. anyone have autofs working with sssd+AD?
[00:28] <nrdb> nils_, my sources.list says I am using "http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubunut wily main restricted" etc.
[00:29] <nils_> nrdb: ubunut? I'm using a German mirror...
[00:29] <nils_> nrdb: otherwise similar
[00:29] <Bashing-om> Tundra-OldDsktop: ' cat /etc/resolv.conf ' what nameserver(s) is listed ?
[00:31] <Tundra-OldDsktop> only two commented lines Bashing-om
[00:32] <nrdb> nils_, ok .. I don't know what is going on here
[00:33] <Bashing-om> Tundra-OldDsktop: Huh ?? Now that makes no sense . I cam see whartr there would be no DNS resolution, but not to see the router .. I just do not know. lemme pass you my file.
[00:33] <Ben64> Bashing-om: Tundra-OldDsktop: resolv.conf shouldn't be used, and gets overwritten each boot
[00:35] <Tundra-OldDsktop> Ben64: would you happen to have any ideas then?
[00:35] <Ben64> i haven't followed along with what the issue is
[00:35] <Bashing-om> Ben64: Not even to see if that file is the root of the problem ?
[00:35] <Ben64> what's the problem
[00:36] <Tundra-OldDsktop> Ben64: can't connect to the internet
[00:36] <Ben64> can you ping 4.2.2.2
[00:36] <Tundra-OldDsktop> Ben64: no
[00:37] <Ben64> then its not a dns problem
[00:37] <Bashing-om> Ben64: No ping to router, but loopback is good . found no issures and changed the r8169 driver to r1868. still no routes .
[00:38] <Ben64> definitely not dns then. could be cable, port, driver, switch/router
[00:38] <Ben64> or ip settings
[00:38] <Tundra-OldDsktop> Ben64: ruled out cable, card, router, driver
[00:38] <Tundra-OldDsktop> Ben64: IP is set to dynamic
[00:39] <Ben64> don't see how you can rule out the driver but ok
[00:39] <Ben64> so try setting a manual ip
[00:41] <Tundra-OldDsktop> Ben64: on it
[00:43] <dna113p> I have a laptop that sometimes I use but usually run kodi on it connected to my TV through HDMI. I want a script to run on startup that detects if hdmi is plugged in and launches kodi... what would I need to do this?
[00:44] <Tundra-OldDsktop> Ben64: done, still can't ping router orr a website
[00:49] <Guest26952> When installing, I wish to add some parameters to /etc/default/grub (video issues). After editing the file, how do I boot?
[00:50] <Guest26952> or, can I pass the paramenters directly form the commandline?
[00:50] <Guest26952> dg: pc=nocrs pci=realloc
[00:51] <Bashing-om> Guest26952: ' sudo update-grub ' befire rebooting . and yes the parameters in order to "test' shoule be entered in grub's boot parameter's line from the grub boot menu .
[00:51] <Tundra-OldDsktop> Ben64: still there?
[00:52] <B0bsF1sh> I want to selctively output the command text before it executes the command, but I can't get Ubuntu to ever echo  the command text. I tried "#!/bin/bash -v" and "#!/bin/bash -x" at the top. Also "set -v" and "set -x" in the body. Nothing seems to have any effect. Does it go to a different stream? or ?
[00:52] <Shai_Tan> Bashing-om, ok, after adding the parameters, how do I boot using them?
[00:53] <Bashing-om> Shai_Tan: From where did you make the additions ?
[00:53] <Shai_Tan> Bashing-om, From shell when booting from installation media
[00:53] <Bashing-om> Tundra-OldDsktop: I am open to other's advise, as I am at a loss of what to do .
[00:53] <Ben64> Tundra-OldDsktop: yeah
[00:54] <Ben64> Tundra-OldDsktop: assuming you set the right ip address stuff, then it leaves the driver,cable,router,etc
[00:55] <Bashing-om> Shai_Tan: F6 when booting the live medium after the language screen clears . ctl+x to continue the boot process .
[00:55] <Tundra-OldDsktop> Ben64: I know that the cabel and router are good
[00:56] <Shai_Tan> Bashing-om, I never get to the language screen, I have to hit 'e' to edit the parameters, then return to prompt
[00:56] <Tundra-OldDsktop> Ben64: only thing I can think of would be the driver but Bashing-om already had me install an older one
[00:56] <Shai_Tan> I guess f10 might do it
[00:57] <daed> is it normal for the top menu bar to constantly stay above anything full screen?
[00:57] <daed> it's covering movies, vlc, netflix, youtube, everything
[00:57] <daed> and won't go away, can't find anything about it online
[00:57] <Ben64> Tundra-OldDsktop: what is the "product" line of the output of lshw -C NETWORK
[00:57] <daed> i'm in 16.04 and the problem persists
[00:58] <Ben64> daed: #ubuntu+1 for 16.04 until release (tomorrow)
[00:58] <daed> Ben64: this problem existed for the last 3 years
[00:58] <daed> Ben64: i'd like to see if it was fixed in 15.10 and 15.04 also
[00:58] <Ben64> you're on 16.04, so support is there
[00:58] <daed> well
[00:58] <daed> i have 2 other 15.10 machines
[00:59] <daed> i'd like to get help with those too
[00:59] <Tundra-OldDsktop> Ben64: RTL8111/8168/8411
[00:59] <Ben64> Tundra-OldDsktop: how about the driver part, does it say r8168 or r8169
[01:00] <Tundra-OldDsktop> Ben64: it was 8169 but we changed it out for 8168
[01:00] <Ben64> no, what does it say
[01:03] <GOAT-SEX> Greeting from the GNAA Department Of Goat Sex
[01:03] <Ben64> !ops
[01:03] <GOAT-SEX> !ops Goat sex
[01:03] <GOAT-SEX> !ops trollspammeritr
[01:03] <yorwos> has any1 upgraded 14.04 to 16.04 ? any bugs ?
[01:04] <Ben64> yorwos: 16.04 isn't officially out until tomorrow, and 14.04 won't show the upgrade by default until 16.04.1
[01:04] <Kingrat> so yeah ive had a bit of a regression in network-manager-gnome i believe, im no longer able to import vpn configs at all, also pptp connections dont work at all but that is minor for me
[01:04] <Kingrat> havent been able to find anything recent in launchpad, but i have seen older bugs for the same issue
[01:05] <yorwos> i was thinking to try upgrade -d
[01:05] <Tundra-OldDsktop> Ben64: Bashing-om , I think I'm gonna call it a night on this guys
[01:05] <yorwos> or update-manager -d ?
[01:06] <Tundra-OldDsktop> Thanks for all your effort
[01:06] <yorwos> gonna check again 2morrow
[01:06] <Tundra-OldDsktop> g'night
[01:08] <thrillgore> Quick question -- how would I generate a list of packages (and versions) that a do-release-upgrade would install?
[01:08] <terratoma> on the Ubuntu 14.04.4 Desktop ISO , where are the debs ?
[01:17] <psusi> terratoma, there aren't any to speak of... the desktop iso is a live, already installed system
[01:27] <TJ-> terratoma: under /ubuntu/pool/ just like in the HTTP archives
[01:28] <terratoma> i think psusi is more correct
[01:28] <terratoma> TJ-: that's true for the ubuntu server 14.04.4 iso , not the desktop iso
[01:29] <TJ-> terratoma: yes, for the desktop too
[01:29] <terratoma> how can i generate a list of urls to download all installed packages ?
[01:29] <terratoma> TJ-: i have the ubuntu desktop 14.04 iso right here ! i dont see it
[01:29] <TJ-> terratoma: there aren't many of the optional packages in there of course, but that's where they are
[01:29] <psusi> pretty much all that is in there are the extra proprietary drivers
[01:29] <terratoma> for instance i would be intereste in all of the debs for the ui stuff, for offline installation
[01:30] <terratoma> ubuntu-desktop basically
[01:30] <psusi> terratoma, the desktop installs just fine offline... it just doesn't have everything packaged as debs
[01:30] <psusi> they are already installed, and the whole installation is copied to the hd
[01:31] <TJ-> terratoma: for what its worth, the list can be seen here. notice the /pool/ directories. Not going to get you far, though :) http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04.4/ubuntu-14.04.4-desktop-amd64.list
[01:31] <terratoma> psusi: i am creating my own custom iso for installation, i am able to do this with the contents of the  ubuntu-server iso, i fail with the desktop iso.  not sure why.  things are slightly different!
[01:32] <psusi> terratoma, indeed... if you want to use the alternate installer and add the desktop debs, you will have to download them directly and add them to your custom iso
[01:32] <terratoma> right !
[01:33] <terratoma> so... how do i generate a list of all of my installed packages, and get the urls for downloading all of those... with the correct version i need at this point in time
[01:33] <psusi> there used to be an alternate installer iso that had the desktop debs and the server installer, but it was discontinued
[01:33] <TJ-> terratoma: the manifest file contains the packages installed in the Live, that may help you: http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04.4/ubuntu-14.04.4-desktop-amd64.manifest
[01:34] <psusi> terratoma, dpkg --get-selections will list all of the packages you have installed, then you can use apt-get download to fetch them
[01:34] <TJ-> debfoster is better for that; it maintains the auto-install relationships
[01:35] <citizenruin> <--seen a article on reddit today that mentioned bios updating, i did not know this was a thing. should i do it or not worry?
[01:35] <daed> citizenruin: if it aint broke dont fix it
[01:35] <reisio> citizenruin: what daed said
[01:36] <reisio> very much
[01:36] <terratoma> can you tell im trying to pin everything to the day ubuntu 14.04.4 was released
[01:36] <reisio> only reason to update your bios is if something is wrong
[01:36] <citizenruin> see i have a few minor annoyances
[01:36] <reisio> citizenruin: such as?
[01:36] <daed> bios-related annoyances?
[01:36] <citizenruin> no sound on fresh install my last fresh install had graphic issues
[01:36] <daed> generally bios updates don't do a ton
[01:37] <daed> i have sound issues too, but that's due to creative having horrible linux support
[01:37] <psusi> terratoma, dpkg --get-selections | awk '{print $1}' | xargs apt-get download I think should download all packages you currently have installed
[01:37] <elky> citizenruin: skylake?
[01:37] <daed> citizenruin: i have a skylake 6700k
[01:37] <terratoma> psusi: maybe?  but will it be the same version i have installed?  i think it'll be the current version that is in the repo ! such as the linux-kernel version.  right ?
[01:37] <daed> for what its worth
[01:37] <citizenruin> okay having ubuntu and experincing some issues is normal (no disrespect i like fixing and learning)
[01:38] <reisio> don't think I've ever heard of 'graphics issues' being bios related
[01:38] <daed> citizenruin: i highly doubt bios is related to your graphics issues
[01:38] <daed> if you determine that's your last resort, go for it
[01:38] <TJ-> reisio: with uefi, if the GOP is missing or buggy, there can be. I've seen several firmware updates to add/fix GOP
[01:38] <elky> either way, ##hardware is probably going to be a better bet for information about bios upgrades
[01:39] <citizenruin> i think it was just my card and "additional drivers" but still i feel like most people that do a fresh install expereince 0% issues till they start messing it up themselves right?
[01:39] <reisio> TJ-: thankfully efi and bios aren't actually the same thing, even if they have the same job
[01:39] <daed> citizenruin: not necessarily, my gtx580 used to have kernel hangs before additional drivers
[01:39] <daed> it had bad support for years
[01:39] <citizenruin> nah if its not recomended average user thing for ubuntu (linux) im not into it
[01:39] <TJ-> 16.04 supports in-place UEFI capsule firmware updates just as on Windows, too, so we can get away from needing Windows/DOS to upgrade firmwares
[01:40] <TJ-> reisio: many manufacturers - and firmware publishers - continue to describe UEFI as BIOS
[01:40] <TAFB> can anyone help me get php working? it's looking for the .php file in completely the wrong place :( FastCGI sent in stderr: "Unable to open primary script: /etc/nginx/html/index.php (No such file or directory)"
[01:40] <citizenruin> is that what the bios issues are called "kernal hangs"?
[01:41] <citizenruin> tafb: what is permissions for /etc/?
[01:41] <TAFB> my php files are in /usr/share/nginx/html
[01:41] <TJ-> citizenruin: no; 'kernel' is the Linux kernel, the core of the operating system. It takes over after the firmware/BIOS has finished its job
[01:42] <TAFB> all folders have +x on them
[01:42] <rnetocombr> Somebody has news about bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1532226 ? It is fixed for tomorrow ? Devs need help testing ?
[01:43] <citizenruin> while still staying on topic of "ubuntu" at what point after i turn on the power button does "ubuntu" start loading?
[01:43] <citizenruin> tafb is your user allowed to access /etc/?
[01:44] <TAFB> not sure
[01:44] <TJ-> citizenruin: firmware > GRUB boot-loader > Linux kernel > GNU Ubuntu userspace
[01:44] <reisio> TJ-: makes sense to me; makes no difference to the majority of end users
[01:44] <citizenruin> http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:lIGRB-6TYe0J:windows.nginx.apache.kvm.www.digitaloceandatacenters.info/community/tutorials/how-to-install-linux-nginx-mysql-php-lemp-stack-on-centos-7%3Fcomment%3D21289+&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=ubuntu - tafb that is a cached copy of your issue. only other i suggestion i had buddy
[01:45] <reisio> citizenruin: hrmm?
[01:45] <citizenruin> reisio?
[01:45] <nedstark> digital ocean, i seem to have heard that name repeatedly on a recent podcast, like 40 times
[01:45] <reisio> citizenruin: what's up?
[01:46] <TAFB> citizenruin: I believe my problem is with the line "fastcgi_param SCRIPT_FILENAME $document_root$fastcgi_script_name;"
[01:46] <citizenruin> yes that problem is addressed on that site
[01:46] <citizenruin> hold i will pastebinit for you
[01:46] <TAFB> thx
[01:48] <citizenruin> reisio: im not following you boss
[01:48] <reisio> so TAFB has the problem?
[01:48] <terratoma> TJ-: thanks, with sed and awk and apt-get download i have downloaded every deb that makes up ubuntu desktop 14.04.4
[01:49] <TAFB> i always have problems :( out of the 20 times I've tried to set up nginx and php I've succeded zero times :(
[01:49] <reisio> pretty easy last I checked
[01:49] <reisio> nginx, php-fpm, nginx wiki's config
[01:49] <reisio> can't recommend enough to not use php, though :D
[01:49] <TAFB> reisio: user problems, permission problems, never goes smooth.
[01:49] <CKboss> Hi .When ubuntu 16.04 update ?
[01:50] <TAFB> i.e. php wants user www-data, nginx installs as "nginx"
[01:51] <reisio> smoothly :p
[01:51] <reisio> TAFB: well, Ubuntu is a strange choice for a server anyway
[01:51] <reisio> having no stable branch
[01:51] <reisio> try Debian
[01:51] <terratoma> TJ-: lol the manifest page says coreutils8.21-1ubuntu5.3 , you cant download that from the repos anymore, only the more current version coreutils8.21-1ubuntu5.4
[01:51] <TJ-> TAFB: you could use ACLs for that; e.g. see "man setfacl"
[01:51] <terratoma> maybe i should give up
[01:52] <JiangOil> when will the 16.04 update ?
[01:52] <TJ-> terratoma: fetch it from launchpad library maybe?
[01:52] <somsip> Do we have a factoid that points out there is no set time for the release?
[01:52] <TAFB> i thought the time was 2pm EST?!
[01:52] <reisio> TAFB: twss
[01:52] <TJ-> terratoma: as an example start here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/coreutils/+publishinghistory
[01:53] <terratoma> cool
[01:53] <somsip> !party
[01:53] <somsip> that'll do
[01:53] <terratoma> pretend im installing ubuntu in a space station with no accessible repo ! ( china )
[01:53] <TJ-> terratoma: which if you follow the links takes you to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/coreutils/8.21-1ubuntu5.3/+build/8386550
[01:54] <somsip> !isitout > somsip
[01:54] <TJ-> terratoma: you can use the launchpad API to automate getting the paths for those, to avoid screen-scraping or manual work
[01:55] <citizenruin> tafb: http://pastebin.com/Y2CaqNeZ
[01:55] <citizenruin> wait whats the party for i thought we already have 16.04
[01:56] <somsip> !isitout | citizenruin
[01:56] <JiangOil> still No new release found
[02:00] <TAFB> citizenruin: using that default.conf it works perfectly! no clue why :)
[02:03] <andy__> my monitor setting is 1400x1050 but chrome browser does not open to the max
[02:04] <andy__> it only covers 2/3 of the laptop monitor
[02:04] <andy__> do you know why?
[02:12] <terratoma> TJ-: i haven't tried or anything, but do you think Ubuntu 15.10 desktop LTS is less annoying to use to make custom persistent Desktop installable usb sticks ?
[02:14] <TJ-> terratoma: I'd go with 1604 now, 15.10 will be out of support in 3 or so months
[02:15] <terratoma> TJ-: oops i meant 'would using ubuntu 16.04 LTS' be less annoying
[02:15] <terratoma> i cant read
[02:15] <NullMonkey> How can I setup a vhost for this server?
[02:16] <terratoma> right. 16.04
[02:16] <terratoma> ha maybe everything is awesome with 16.04 !
[02:16] <terratoma> can it hurry up and ship so i dont' have to go to china
[02:16] <nils_> well so far I'm happy, it already saved me adding the ZFS ppa ;)
[02:16] <teward> TJ-: lets wait for 16.04 to be released first before we make those recommendations :P
[02:16] <teward> i know it's "soon" but still :P
[02:17] <terratoma> can you install ubuntu Through The Great Firewall? anyone know ?
[02:17] <somsip> terratoma: cfhowlett is in China too. He's usually on around now
[02:18] <nils_> I think there is a special version for China?
[02:18] <somsip> nils_: kylin
[02:19] <terratoma> now i remember why i used to build clusters with redhat/centos
[02:19] <terratoma> i could pin stuff to the exact version i needed
[02:19] <TJ-> teward you can if you like; I'll stick with recommending 16.04 for a long term ISO image build
[02:21] <teward> TJ-: oh, I agree, but I prefer to wait for an actual ISO first ;)
[02:24] <terratoma> TJ-: how do i get the deb for this ?  do i have to build it myself ? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/coreutils/8.21-1ubuntu5
[02:25] <TJ-> teward: terratoma is trying to build a custom ISO with a package-pool; he started with 14.04 but is wanting to ensure up-to-date image. 15.10 would be a silly thing to go with as an alternative to 14.04. 16.04 is the obvious and only alternative
[02:26] <terratoma> i just really want to install from a custom iso that i generate, that has all of the packages from 14.04.4
[02:26] <terratoma> all packages from the day 14.04.4 was released
[02:26] <terratoma> no updating OTA later
[02:26] <braderhart> What time is 16.04 getting released?
[02:26] <braderhart> Where is the online release party?
[02:26] <TJ-> terratoma: as I said earlier, if you want to automate that then you'll need to make calls into the Launchpad API to get the URLs of the .deb package for the versions you require
[02:27] <Bashing-om> !party | braderhart
[02:27] <TJ-> terratoma: but you're better off using the latest available package versions and pinning to *them* at the point you finalise the ISO
[02:27] <filiweraa> holaaa?
[02:28] <filiweraa> hola?
[02:29] <somsip> filiweraa: do you haved a support question?
[02:40] <filiweraa> holaaaaaaaaaaaaa?
[02:40] <somsip> filiweraa: do you haved a support question?
[02:40] <JGB28> Hola filiweraa
[02:40] <filiweraa> Todoo Biiem?
[02:41] <Poke95> !es > filiweraa
[02:41] <Poke95> Uh, did I did it wrong?
[02:42] <somsip> Poke95: that's fine. > sends a pm. | shows it in channel
[02:42] <filiweraa> Quiiien tiene face? :3
[02:42] <Poke95> !es
[02:42] <somsip> filiweraa: it's a support channel. Please go away
[02:42] <nedstark> did he want to facetime?
[02:43] <Arcaire> What is going on here lmao
[02:44] <davido> Anyone know what needs to happen next with respect to this error message while running apt update? "AppStream cache update completed, but some metadata was ignored due to errors."  (it appears to be a warning, non-fatal)
[02:45] <filiweraa> Agregenmen al face: Soonriisitáá Bj
[02:46] <Poke95> !ops Please quiet filiweraa and redirect them to the Spanish channel
[02:46] <Poke95> ok
[02:46] <Poke95> !ops
[02:48] <Arcaire> I wouldn't qualify this as an emergency, personally.
[02:48] <squinty> nor I
[02:49] <czg> k
[02:50] <Arcaire> k
[02:50] <squinty> davido,  been seeing that error message for a few weeks now updating 16.04... doesn't seem to be a big problem, as far as I can tell.
[02:51] <davido> thanks squinty : As I mentioned, it appears to just be a non-fatal warning.
[02:51] <davido> so nothing to get too worried about.
[02:54] <squinty> davido,  :-)
[03:01] <wedgwood> Am I understanding correctly that a memory cgroup also limits page cache?
[03:16] <sebsebseb> hi
[03:17] <Shai_Tan> OK, so I got ubuntu to install using linux .. nomodeset nolapic pci=nocrs pci=realloc , Installation went through to end, but now when I boots, it hangs at 'initializing ramdisk'. I tried adding verbose and debug options, but no output, just 'initializing ramdisk'
[03:18] <Shai_Tan> "Loading initial ramdisk"
[03:21] <badung> hello
[03:21] <badung> what time release ubuntu 16.04 lts?
[03:22] <TJ-> Shai_Tan: that's GRUB boot-loader... if you don't see the kernel start-up, then it's getting stuck before kernel execution
[03:22] <reisio> badung: the 21st, presumably
[03:26] <AR10> I have USB AC wireless, as older laptop, and it is just g/n. It plugged in and worked just fine. I updated a few weeks ago, and now it wont appear. I can see it with lsusb. Anyone have any ideas?
[03:32] <sharkasdf> I'm having some Samba problems. My samba server stopped working when the power went out. I've rebooted, restarted the server. 'sudo service smbd start' => smbd start/running, process 18377. When I do 'sudo service smbd restart' I get "stop: unknown instance: => smbd start/running, process 19591". 'tail -f /var/log/syslog => www.pastebin.com/JUeTpB6M
[03:32] <sharkasdf> I did a purge uninstall and reinstalled, still fails
[03:33] <sharkasdf> After installation I typed 'testparm' and got 'Ignoring Unknown parameter 'netbios'
[03:33] <sharkasdf> WARNING: ignoring invalid value 'share
[03:33] <sharkasdf> 'share' for parameter 'security'
[03:33] <spikebike> OS?
[03:34] <sharkasdf> I can't crack the case
[03:34] <sharkasdf> ubuntu 14.04
[03:34] <spikebike> does smbd has a -D or similar flag that says run in the foreground with debugging?
[03:34] <sharkasdf> How do I see the flag? (sorry new to linux)
[03:35] <sharkasdf> 'sudo service status smbd'?
[03:35] <spikebike> smbd --help maybe
[03:35] <spikebike> smbd -?
[03:35] <sharkasdf> yes
[03:35] <sharkasdf> -D
[03:35] <spikebike> ah, try service smbd stop
[03:35] <spikebike> then as root
[03:35] <sharkasdf> -D, --daemon become a daemon
[03:35] <spikebike> smbd -D -d 10
[03:36] <spikebike> oops
[03:36] <spikebike> smbd -F -d 10
[03:36] <Gallomimia> my 14.04 install no longer decrypts the luks container at boot time. is there a way i can figure out why? any help appreciated. (it says the raid can't be assembled, but it does seem to do that and report unknown partition map.)
[03:36] <sharkasdf> 'stop: unknown job: smbd"
[03:36] <spikebike> Gallomimia: fix the raid first
[03:37] <Gallomimia> the raid works fine
[03:37] <sharkasdf> Want me to paste results of smbd -F -d 10?
[03:37] <sharkasdf> smb: 10
[03:37] <spikebike> Gallomimia: "it says the raid can't be assembled,"
[03:37] <Gallomimia> i don't know exactly what happens during boot. something wrong, thats for sure
[03:37] <Gallomimia> it says its trying to create. don't know why it would do that
[03:37] <spikebike> sharkasdf: pastebin if it's more than a line or 2
[03:37] <Gallomimia> the CREATE fails. it shouldn't be creating, only assembling
[03:38] <Gallomimia> i have it booted from LiveUSB right now. it reads all the volumes on the raid/crypt/lvm just fine
[03:38] <sharkasdf> www.pastebin.com/absK4QZw
[03:38] <sharkasdf> I don't know why when I type 'sudo service smbd stop' it does't know what it is
[03:39] <spikebike> sharkasdf: was that it?
[03:39] <sharkasdf> ya
[03:39] <sharkasdf> smbd -F -d 10
[03:39] <spikebike> try smbd -F -d
[03:39] <spikebike> I'm expecting samba startign messages
[03:39] <sharkasdf> invalid option -d missing argument
[03:39] <spikebike> oh wait
[03:39] <spikebike> you have to do that as root
[03:40] <TJ-> Gallomimia: sounds like you may have a failing RAID array
[03:40] <spikebike> try sudo smbd -F -d 0
[03:40] <Gallomimia> i just told you i have it mounted and decrypted in a live install
[03:40] <TJ-> Gallomimia: that, or else the metadata or mdadm config has changed
[03:40] <sharkasdf> returns nothing
[03:41] <Gallomimia> i've tested the drives. i can assemble the raid manually and decrypt it
[03:41] <Gallomimia> i do think the mdadm config is mucked up
[03:41] <spikebike> Gallomimia: without error?
[03:41] <Gallomimia> but i don't know how to un-muck it
[03:41] <TJ-> Gallomimia: what does /proc/mdstat show?
[03:41] <Gallomimia> yes. it runs fine
[03:41] <Gallomimia> sec
[03:41] <spikebike> might need to update-initramfs -u -k all after assembling the raid
[03:41] <Gallomimia> [UUU[
[03:41] <spikebike> fstab needs the UUID
[03:42] <spikebike> and mdadm.conf needs some info as well
[03:42] <Gallomimia> right. okay those are bunk i'm sure
[03:42] <Gallomimia> my attempts at update-initramfs have been pretty dismal.
[03:42] <Gallomimia> is there any tools for reading whats in the initramfs?
[03:42] <spikebike> sharkasdf: sorry, never ran samba, but that's pretty weird
[03:42] <spikebike> Gallomimia: what does it say when up update?
[03:42] <sharkasdf> Thanks for trying to help. I'll try reading the docs
[03:43] <JohnDunnF> Hey it appears I made it! My first time in IRC and I am 45 lol
[03:43] <Gallomimia> usually it gives me a bunch of problems with non-existing directories inside /tmp which i create and run again
[03:43] <reisio> JohnDunnF: gj
[03:43] <Gallomimia> it gives a few warnings but no errors
[03:43] <JohnDunnF> Thanks Risio
[03:43] <Gallomimia> lol that's great JohnDunnF
[03:43] <JohnDunnF> so I did it right. I made it here. And I am an Xubuntu user
[03:43] <spikebike> JohnDunnF: welcome, greetings.
[03:43] <Gallomimia> your first ubuntu install too?
[03:44] <JohnDunnF> No .. I first learned of and got a 9.x CD :)
[03:44] <JohnDunnF> been using ubuntu kubuntu lubuntu xubuntu is my fav now
[03:44] <Gallomimia> right on. well here's where we all congregate and ask questions to fix things
[03:44] <Gallomimia> but there's thousands of channels on this network alone
[03:44] <spikebike> sharkasdf: oh it's still logging to syslog I bet
[03:45] <JohnDunnF> That's awesome.. I remember hearing about IRC in the 90's but not being 'daring' enough to use it lol now I see how easy it is
[03:45] <reisio> JohnDunnF: r-e-i-TAB
[03:45] <spikebike> sharkasdf: run you run sudo smd -F -d 0 does anything interesting show up in syslog
[03:45] <sharkasdf> how do i view syslog?
[03:45] <spikebike> or try sudo smbd -F -d -0 -l readme
[03:45] <spikebike> then it should make readme.debug/in/out files
[03:46] <spikebike> sharkasdf: I'd look at dmesg | tail -50 and tail -50 /var/log/syslog
[03:46] <JohnDunnF> r-e-i-TAB not sure what that means sorry
[03:46] <reisio> JohnDunnF: r-e-i-[TAB key]
[03:46] <JohnDunnF> reisio,
[03:46] <JohnDunnF> ah I see it made your name
[03:46] <TJ-> Gallomimia: what device number has the array got? has it changed from /dev/md0 to /dev/md127 for example?
[03:47] <Gallomimia> TJ-: yes it has changed
[03:47] <Gallomimia> can i define that?
[03:47] <sharkasdf> spikebike, my smbd main process (xxxxxx) terminated with status 1, then it respawns, then it terminates/respawns 50+ times
[03:47] <reisio> JohnDunnF: /set completion_suffix :
[03:47] <sharkasdf> then smbd respawning too fast, stopped
[03:47] <JohnDunnF> is it rude for me to chat here while others are talking important stuff I see
[03:47] <filiweraa> hola
[03:48] <Gallomimia> JohnDunnF: yes actually. we have a #ubuntu-offtopic channel for such chat
[03:48] <JohnDunnF> test
[03:48] <Gallomimia> there's also many other "Just chat" channels
[03:48] <JohnDunnF> ok thanks Gallo
[03:48] <ngalim> hello
[03:48] <JohnDunnF> Gallomimia
[03:48] <spikebike> sharkasdf: with -d 10 it shouldn't and -F it shouldn't respawn, and it it doesn't launch it should say why
[03:48] <Gallomimia> welcome :)
[03:48] <TJ-> Gallomimia: that's more than likely the issue, I've seen that before. You've probably got an mdadm.conf in the initrd.img (copied from /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf) with a different - or missing - entry so te device is expected on, say, /dev/md0 but it's coming up on a temporary node at /dev/md127
[03:49] <ngalim> i've just open http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/ to check 16.04
[03:49] <ngalim> is it already released?
[03:49] <Ben64> no
[03:49] <Gallomimia> TJ-: much of this problem started (i think) because i tried tweaking that and crypttab. then an update came thru and goobered me
[03:49] <Bashing-om> JohnDunnF: ubuntu general chat : type /join #ubuntu-offtopic .
[03:50] <Gallomimia> JohnDunnF: or you might be able to just click on the channel name here in chat. depends on your client
[03:50] <sharkasdf> =\
[03:50] <sharkasdf> idk
[03:50] <TJ-> Gallomimia: which metadata version is used by the mdadm array?
[03:51] <TJ-> Gallomimia: depending on which one, you can set the preferred node number in it
[03:51] <Gallomimia> uhhh
[03:51] <Gallomimia> 1.2 i think
[03:51] <Gallomimia> let me see if i can remember how to look that up
[03:52] <Gallomimia> yes. 1.2 it is
[03:52] <Gallomimia> (is that good?)
[03:53] <TJ-> Gallomimia: well, that's good. You can check the metadata details with mdadm --detail ... to check
[03:53] <Gallomimia> yes i found that in --help
[03:53] <spikebike> Gallomimia: if you have it mounted from live I'd try:
[03:53] <spikebike> chroot /mnt/target or whatever it's mounted as
[03:53] <spikebike> the update-initramfs -u -k all
[03:53] <spikebike> if that has warnings FIX THEM
[03:53] <Gallomimia> i should also mention spikebike that the entire system lives on the raid, save the /boot and efi partitions
[03:53] <spikebike> especially anything about /etc/fstab and /etc/mdadm.conf
[03:53] <Gallomimia> ok.
[03:54] <Gallomimia> i think i need to put something back into crypttab. uuid
[03:54] <TJ-> Gallomimia: add "-v" to that... in fact do "update-initramfs -uvk all |& tee /tmp/initrd.log" because there'll be a LOT of messages
[03:54] <spikebike> ya, even better
[03:54] <Gallomimia> ok
[03:54] <TJ-> Gallomimia: use "blkid" to check the UUIDs
[03:54] <Gallomimia> holy moly
[03:54]  * Gallomimia needs moar terminals
[03:56] <Shai-Tan> So, I get ubuntu to install, but it hangs at "Loading initial ramdisk", how do I get past this?
[03:57] <Gallomimia> ok. /dev/md0 uuid=blah type=crypto_LUKS that's what i want right?
[04:00] <TJ-> Gallomimia: make sure you're using UUID= in crypttab, not a device name, then it'll work no matter what
[04:00] <Gallomimia> yeah now that i know how to find uuid's i'll do that ;)
[04:00] <Gallomimia> tyvm
[04:00] <TJ-> Gallomimia: same goes for the /etc/fstab, and the entries in /boot/grub.cfg generated by update-grub
[04:01] <Gallomimia> fstab only mounts one thing that has a physical address. the rest are LV's
[04:01] <TJ-> Gallomimia: pro-tip: echo "UUID=$(blkid -s UUID -o value /dev/sdXY) LUKS_ROOT none discard" will generate a perfect line for you
[04:02] <Gallomimia> nice
[04:02] <TJ-> Gallomimia: adjust to scenario, but saves a lot of manual copying of UUIDs
[04:02] <Gallomimia> yeah i was about to winch about my middle mouse not working for such
[04:03] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all and happy xenial release day
[04:04] <AR10> I have USB AC adapter. Since last kernel update, it no longer appears. It doesn't show up with sudo lshw -C network, but I can see the adapter with lsusb.
[04:04] <AR10> Additional drivers sees it, but says another driver is in use
[04:04] <reisio> lotuspsychje: you east-side-of-the-world-er
[04:04] <lotuspsychje> reisio: 6.04h :p
[04:05] <AR10> it was using rtl8812au-dkms
[04:06] <lotuspsychje> AR10: wich ubuntu version is this
[04:07] <AR10> 15.10
[04:07] <AR10> it plug and played for months, till last kernel update
[04:07] <lotuspsychje> AR10: try loading a previous kernel?
[04:08] <AR10> how do I go back?
[04:08] <lotuspsychje> AR10: enter grub=load previois ubuntu version
[04:08] <MarkusDB1> Hi, I'm looking for an android tablet that is really easy to install ubuntu on. A cheap one. (desktop linux is fine, I need no thouch) I know that there is ready made ubuntu tablets from canonical currently, but I want it cheaper =)
[04:09] <AR10> where do I put that?
[04:09] <sufy> hello when is 16.04 being released?
[04:09] <AR10> on boot?
[04:09] <lotuspsychje> AR10: you know howto enter hrub
[04:09] <lotuspsychje> sufy: today
[04:09] <AR10> yes. ok, ill try. thanks
[04:10] <lotuspsychje> !party | sufy
[04:10] <Gallomimia> lol
[04:10] <Gallomimia> party :)
[04:10] <sufy> lotuspsychje: thanks
[04:10] <gimpyspaceman> Anyone here familiar with Xubuntu?
[04:10] <Gallomimia> i always fail miserably when i'm trying to use bash-fu to mount the 5 three letter special dirs before i chroot :(
[04:10] <reisio> gimpyspaceman: ...
[04:11] <gimpyspaceman> @reisio Your response helps immensely. Much information.
[04:11] <nicomachus> same for you question, though.
[04:11] <nicomachus> s/you/your/
[04:12] <gimpyspaceman> It was a question leading to another.
[04:13] <StyxAlso> Hello! Does anyone know when the new Ubuntu 16.04 LTS release will be available?
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> gimpyspaceman: wich is?
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> StyxAlso: today!
[04:13] <Gallomimia> oh my it's going to be one of those days
[04:13] <Shai_Tan> so, boot hangs at "usb 1-4: new high-speed usb device number 2"
[04:13] <TJ-> Gallomimia: you mean "for n in proc sys dev dev/pts etc/resolv.conf; do sudo mount --bind /$n /target/$n; done" ?
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> !party > StyxAlso
[04:14] <gimpyspaceman> I have a screen tearing problem. Nothing astronomical, but it's problematic.
[04:14] <Gallomimia> yes i do TJ- but apparently there's half a dozen things i don't know to mount also
[04:14] <TJ-> Gallomimia: that is all you need. then enter the chroot, and do "mount -a" so it reads an automounts from fstab
[04:15] <reisio> ...
[04:17] <AR10> OK, so my NIC; I removed the driver in Additional Drivers, and added it back, and rebooted, and now it is there.
[04:17] <lotuspsychje> !yay | AR10
[04:18] <AR10> lol, I was rebooting to get to grub, and missed it. so it does work. I just have to remove, re-add  and reboot, lol
[04:18] <Gallomimia> TJ-: well. i got a warning about crypttab being invalid
[04:18] <AR10> at least its a work around
[04:20] <Gallomimia> this thing is really unhappy about the differing kernel versions on my system versus this liveUSB
[04:20] <Gallomimia> gotta fix that :/
[04:22] <Gallomimia> TJ-: shouldn't the crypttab be [source dest keyfile(none) discard] ?
[04:23] <Gallomimia> oh i forgot the UUID=
[04:23] <TJ-> Gallomimia: "DMname UUID=xxxx keyfile options"
[04:26] <Gallomimia> got it
[04:27] <Gallomimia> using update-initramfs with -k all is bad. i specified the kernel that's installed on the hard drive and it worked with no warnings
[04:27] <Gallomimia> gonna try to boot it
[04:27] <Gallomimia> which for some reason is 3.13.0-85
[04:30] <Gallomimia> no dice so far. don't i need to update grub?
[04:32] <nils_> so what's up with the new naming of network devices?
[04:32] <nils_> I now have eno1, eno2, rename1 and rename2 ;)
[04:37] <spikebike> nils_: ya, very annoying, it can be turned off
[04:38] <TJ-> nils_: looks like you hit a udev race condition, if you have rename* still
[04:38] <Shai-Tan> idle=nomwait
[04:39] <TJ-> nils_: does the system have some persistent-net-names udev rules in /etc/udev/rules.d/ ?
[04:39] <nils_> TJ-: nope
[04:40] <Dougie187> Is snappy  going to be available in ubuntu desktop 16.04, or is it only in ubuntu core?
[04:41] <TJ-> nils_: have you defined some virtual bridges/interfaces, e.g. for VMs, where the MAC address of the bridge is the same as the underlying interface, or virtual interface
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> !info snacraft xenial | Dougie187
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> !info snapcraft xenial
[04:41] <nils_> TJ-: this is a fresh install, no bridges, vlans, bonds of any kind
[04:41] <Dougie187> Interesting, thanks
[04:42] <TJ-> nils_: 2 wired ethernet interfaces? it is unusual for that to cause a rename issue
[04:42] <TJ-> nils_: check the MAC addresses in case there's dupes. "ip link show"
[04:42] <nils_> TJ-: 4 interfaces all in all
[04:42] <TJ-> nils_: the problem usually occurs when udev has already got a device with the same MAC
[04:43] <TJ-> nils_: ah, yes, of course... 2 + 2 = 4 :)
[04:44] <armyriad> What are the downsides of using a version of Ubuntu that is out of the support period?
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> !usn | armyriad see the risks
[04:46] <nils_> TJ-: two use the igb driver, two use ixgbe, I think that's part of the problem
[04:46] <Gallomimia> TJ-: think i'll take a break from that and play a game. then hit the hay. thanks anyway
[04:55] <b-yeezi> waiting for the 16.04 torrent to be available...
[04:55] <somsip> !isitout | b-yeezi
[04:57] <lotuspsychje> !party > b-yeezi you can wait here also
[04:57] <nils_> TJ-: I think the udev rules aren't used anymore with systemd
[04:58] <TJ-> nils_: no; i orginally wondered if you were doing an upgrade though. that has caught out a few people
[04:59] <nils_> TJ-: may be the installer does some magic there
[04:59] <nils_> TJ-: I haven't used it in ages, I always install via a manual routine involving deboostrap etc.
[05:02] <nils_> but now I can name them top1, top2, bottom1, bottom2 or something that's kinda more useful
[05:07] <joob> Hi folks.. just wondering if this is legit? https://licensing.psu.ac.th/ubuntu-16-04-lts-xenial-xerus/
[05:07] <Ben64> joob: probably not
[05:08] <lotuspsychje> joob: recommended to use official leads, lets not forget what happened to mint..
[05:09] <joob> agree. I wouldn't run this unless in a vm anyway
[05:09] <somsip> joob: unlikely. Loads of pirate stuff on there...
[05:09] <joob> no rush, just thought i'd pop in here and ask.. thanks
[05:09] <lotuspsychje> !torrents > joob check also this when final is out
[05:10] <ngalim> hi guys .. in kylin version http://www.ubuntukylin.com/ukd/home/index.php there is 16.04 beta 2
[05:10] <lotuspsychje> hmm
[05:10] <lotuspsychje> !torrents
[05:10] <somsip> ngalim: 16.04 has been at beta 2 for a while, and kylin is built off it so that makes sense
[05:11] <reza_sam96> hi...in which program can i write python?
[05:12] <somsip> !editors | reza_sam96
[05:12] <davido> should add geany to that list.
[05:12] <davido> !code
[05:12] <davido> ah, there it is.
 no i wanna a program looklike codeblock
[05:13] <somsip> reza_sam96: I don't know codeblock. Look into soe of the above...20-odd suggestions and find something that's like it
[05:13] <reza_sam96> i wanna aavido  program looklike codeblock
[05:13] <ngalim> somsip: ok
[05:14] <davido> but Python isn't codeblocks. It isn't scratch. It's Python, a text source code based language, not a graphical drag-and-drop language.
[05:14] <davido> Anyway, #python.
[05:14] <joob> but he wants codeblocks :(
 . <joob> i know....listen....for example we write our /c++ code in turbo c++ program ok?.....i wanna a program that can read our python scripts
[05:16] <davido> You mean an IDE for Python?
 yeah
[05:16] <nils_> PyCharm comes to mind
[05:16] <nils_> not FOSS though
[05:16] <prago_1> hi. when shrinking the size of the unity panel all icons appear not sharp anymore. how to fix that?
[05:17] <reza_sam96> <nils is it simple to install here?
[05:17] <davido> https://wiki.python.org/moin/IntegratedDevelopmentEnvironments
 tnx
[05:17] <somsip> reza_sam96: pycharm is not supported here. Check their website - it's easy to instal
[05:17] <reza_sam96> somsip, so tnx :)
[05:17] <davido> reza_sam96: Thank google, That was the first result that came up when I typed "Python IDE"
[05:17] <prago_1> sorry I mean launcher, not panel
[05:18] <davido> prago_1 All icons have a native size. Anything that is not the native size is sub-optimal in some way.
[05:18] <filiweraa> hola?
[05:18] <lotuspsychje> !es | filiweraa
[05:20] <prago_1> yes.. this is how it seems.. but a pitty..
[05:24] <filiweraa> holaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[05:24] <davido> !es | filiweraa
[05:28] <Wulf> !party
[05:29] <SuperLag> nils_: there is a community edition of Pycharm
[05:30] <nils_> SuperLag: yeah I know and I've used it, however that's still not FOSS, it just doesn't cost anything ;)
[05:33] <sufy> launch party channel is called?
[05:33] <Shai-Tan> fknay... got it
[05:34] <spikebike> #ubuntu-release-party
[05:35] <[Saint]> Anyone have any idea why my wireless interface keeps getting renamed to 'wlx<insert_lower_case_MAC_here>'?
[05:35] <bartvk> I've just installed 16.04 and my network has a weird name, enp3s0
[05:35] <Wulf> [Saint]: yes, because someone thinks that "wlan*" is a stupid name
[05:36] <[Saint]> *Ubuntu Server 16.04 LTS, wireless connection added with nmcli, by the way.
[05:36] <lotuspsychje> bartvk: join #ubuntu+1 please
[05:36] <bartvk> It's fine with me but I'm not able to give it a static IP via /etc/network/interfaces
[05:36] <bartvk> Should I do it any other way?
[05:37] <lotuspsychje> bartvk: join #ubuntu+1 for 16.04 support
[05:37] <Wulf> [Saint]: https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/
[05:37] <lotuspsychje> [Saint]: same for you #ubuntu+1
[05:37] <[Saint]> Wulf: I won the war against enp1sp2, and renamed that to its rightful eth0
[05:37] <SuperLag> Wulf: it's lame
[05:38] <[Saint]> but the wireless connection wins the fight every time I bring the connection down and back up again
[05:38] <bartvk> lotuspsychje, OK thanks
[05:43] <[Saint]> Oh, nope. Gotdernnit!
[05:43] <[Saint]> I didn't win the fight at all, eth0 gets renamed back to enp1s2 when the interface is cycled as well. :-S
[05:44] <[Saint]> I guess I just learn to live with it and modify my wrapper scripts for things that previously assumed a layout like eth* and wlan* or br*
[05:45] <[Saint]> Thanks Wulf, I wasn't aware of this faffery.
[05:51] <NinjaVanish> #ubuntu+1
[06:02] <SebUbuntuTablet> test
[06:03] <SebUbuntuTablet> sebsebseb test
[06:10] <rabbitnightmare> hello I am trying to install Ubuntu or any Linux on a Acer Cloudbook 14, Ubuntu latest gives me a black screen with UEFI enabled and secure boot disabled or enabled, errors when picking the efi key, when booting in legacy mode, I get a noapic error but I cant turn off apic
[06:11] <rabbitnightmare> I have no idea what the heck to do
[06:11] <kathirvel> Can any one tell me Ubuntu 16.04 LTS release time in Indian Time?
[06:11] <rabbitnightmare> I have a computer science degree and for some reason I cant get this piece of shit to boot Linux
[06:11] <Wulf> kathirvel: what's indian time?
[06:11] <rabbitnightmare> it was given to me as a gift, it has windows 10 on it
[06:12] <rabbitnightmare> there is a windows 10 password, they want it formatted
[06:12] <rabbitnightmare> they dont want me having their pictures or some shit
[06:12] <rabbitnightmare> but I cant get this to boot from a USB stick
[06:12] <Wulf> kathirvel: most likely when it's dark outside
[06:12] <rabbitnightmare> please for the love of all thats holy help
[06:12] <kathirvel> Wulf: Sorry. Indian Time means GMT +5.30
[06:12] <Wulf> .30? jeez...
[06:13] <Wulf> kathirvel: ask your moron politicians to switch to an integral offset!
[06:13] <rabbitnightmare> I have never ran into a computer that cant boot Linux until now
[06:13] <spikebike> rabbitnightmare: first test said usb stick elsewhere to see if it's teh stick, the machine, or how you made the install media
[06:13] <rabbitnightmare> it works
[06:13] <trijntje> rabbitnightmare: please mind your language
[06:13] <spikebike> rabbitnightmare: some need bios tweaks to boot from usb
[06:13] <rabbitnightmare> ive used said stick on many a machine
[06:13] <rabbitnightmare> I followed all that stuff
[06:13] <Guido1> I have a problem with a samba printer which is located on an XP home. i have to enter some kind of username and paswoord. The user name and pasword of the admin do not work.
[06:13] <rabbitnightmare> I turned off secure boot
[06:13] <Guido1> I have a problem with a samba printer which is located on an XP home. i have to enter some kind of username and paswoord. The user name and pasword of the admin do not work.
[06:13] <Wulf> kathirvel: 2016-04-22 02:30 +0530 then
[06:13] <rabbitnightmare> I tried it with secure boot on with shim.efi
[06:13] <spikebike> rabbitnightmare: is there a legacy mode so you can avoid efi?
[06:13] <rabbitnightmare> nothing
[06:13] <rabbitnightmare> black screen
[06:14] <rabbitnightmare> legacy mode freezes and beeps
[06:14] <rabbitnightmare> with Ubuntu
[06:14] <rabbitnightmare> gives me a kernel panic "noapic"
[06:14] <kathirvel> Wulf: Thanks.
[06:14] <rabbitnightmare> I cant figure out where the boot options are
[06:15] <bogdanr_> hello, does anyone know if 16.04 will have MIR? I find conflicting info on google :)
[06:15] <rabbitnightmare> in "advanced" I only see "back<"
[06:15] <rabbitnightmare> bogdanr_: download the iso and find out
[06:15] <bogdanr_> :)
[06:15] <rabbitnightmare> it takes all of 10 minutes
[06:15] <rabbitnightmare> its free
[06:15] <rabbitnightmare> just do it
[06:15] <bogdanr_> i know it does
[06:16] <bogdanr_> but 10 minutes >1 minute=of your answer
[06:16] <rabbitnightmare> please halp
[06:16] <kathirvel> Wulf: When I can get the download link of Ubuntu 16.04 LTS?
[06:16] <bogdanr_> ftp://ftp.lug.ro/ubuntu-releases/16.04/ubuntu-16.04-beta2-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[06:17] <rabbitnightmare> bogdanr_: I can attest that there is mir in the login options
[06:17] <rabbitnightmare> but it is insanely buggy with some xorg software
[06:17] <bogdanr_> thank you
[06:17] <bogdanr_> i usually use the gnome-flashback package
[06:17] <bogdanr_> so all the gnome tools should work just fine
[06:17] <Bucky_Ball> Try this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes/
[06:18] <rabbitnightmare> gnome3shell straight up crashes and bumps you to terminal when trying to use mir for instance
[06:18] <skyroz666saile> hey has anyone here used Cinnamon desktop recently?
[06:18] <rabbitnightmare> so dont use mir it sucks
[06:18] <Wulf> kathirvel: it's not available in India yet, actually you guys will need to wait 2 more Weeks
[06:18] <bogdanr_> https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GnomeFlashback
[06:18] <bogdanr_> i should be fine with mir :)
[06:19] <kathirvel> Wulf: OK. But today is the release date of Ubuntu 16.04 LTS. So, I asked.
[06:19] <skyroz666saile> Nobody? nothing on that 'ol cinnamon gtk 3 desktop there? nuthin? lol
[06:20] <bogdanr_> http://developer.linuxmint.com/
[06:20] <bogdanr_> what do you need to know about cinnamon?
[06:21] <rabbitnightmare> can I please get some help installing a linux distro on the acer cloudbook 14?
[06:21] <rabbitnightmare> pretty fucking please
[06:21] <trijntje> !language
[06:21] <ouroumov> hi rabbitnightmare. Where are you stuck?
[06:21] <skyroz666saile> Okay so I installed it fine and everything, but I had a few issues installing themes. I downloaded this one for example http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Classic95?content=157298
[06:21] <rabbitnightmare> ouroumov: at USB boot
[06:21] <rabbitnightmare> before installation
[06:22] <ouroumov> rabbitnightmare, you've accessed the BIOS and changed the boot order already?
[06:22] <rabbitnightmare> uefi enabled = black screen and freeze, legacy mode = kernel panic
[06:22] <skyroz666saile> I tried putting the files in /.themes (in the Home directory) and also Usr/Share/Themes under sudo privelages
[06:22] <bogdanr_> @rabbitnightmare: have you tried: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Acer_Cloudbook
[06:22] <bogdanr_> ?
[06:22] <rabbitnightmare> ive tried the boot and grub efi files both error our
[06:22] <rabbitnightmare> out
[06:22] <skyroz666saile> and there was no way to get the full theme, it only worked on windows, not the taskbar or anything
[06:23] <bogdanr_> http://bernaerts.dyndns.org/linux/74-ubuntu/340-ubuntu-install-acer-aspire-cloudbook-431
[06:23] <bogdanr_> ?
[06:23] <ouroumov> rabbitnightmare, how did you 'burn' the .iso image to your USB drive? And before doing that, have you verified the hash of the file?
[06:23] <bogdanr_> maybe this will help
[06:23] <trijntje> rabbitnightmare: have you tried the daily build of 16.04? Thats the first thing I"d try
[06:23] <rabbitnightmare> bogdanr_: I cant get it to boot
[06:23] <rabbitnightmare> I have tried
[06:23] <halivingston> I just tried the potential 16.04 LTS release ISO and when boot under HyperVisor it just hangs. I wanted to let the release team know.
[06:23] <rabbitnightmare> I didnt think about arch
[06:23] <bogdanr_> i found the info here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2305782
[06:23] <rabbitnightmare> the laptop is going to my wife so I wanted to put Ubuntu on it
[06:24] <Arcaire> halivingston: I installed the last beta under kvm and this didn't happen to me
[06:24] <ouroumov> rabbitnightmare, how did you 'burn' the .iso image to your USB drive? And before doing that, have you verified the hash of the file?
[06:24] <Arcaire> halivingston: so i'm going to suggest it's a layer 8 issue
[06:24] <bogdanr_> I see that the guy did some uefi changes
[06:24] <bogdanr_> for the acer
[06:24] <rabbitnightmare> ouroumov: I have used this drive to install 15.10 many many times
[06:24] <halivingston> Arcaire: I tried Beta2 and it worked fine. I tried the final release ISO and it doesn't workk
[06:24] <rabbitnightmare> it boots on my personal desktop
[06:24] <Arcaire> halivingston: there's no release iso yet
[06:24] <Arcaire> it's in the topic of the channel
[06:24] <Arcaire> it's not out yet
[06:24] <skyroz666saile> so you would recommend going to the linuxmint irc then?
[06:25] <halivingston> So this is not it? It seemed to me that the daily build of 20th night is it ... http://mirrors.rit.edu/ubuntu-releases/.pool/ubuntu-16.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[06:25] <trijntje> rabbitnightmare: hold shift while booting on your personal desktop, and check the 'cd' for defects
[06:25] <rabbitnightmare> I did no defects
[06:25] <rabbitnightmare> lol
[06:25] <halivingston> but still, the fact it won't run under HyperV is concerning
[06:25] <Jordan_U> halivingston: The release team isn't in this channel. I'm sure that they've tested with the major hypervisors (you didn't specify what hypervisor you're actually using).
[06:25] <Arcaire> halivingston: the final build of 16.04 is not out
[06:25] <halivingston> Microsoft HyperV
[06:26] <spikebike> halivingston: read http://mirrors.rit.edu/ubuntu-releases/.pool/
[06:26] <Arcaire> halivingston: the latest official build that is released does work with all hypervisors i've tested
[06:26] <ouroumov> rabbitnightmare, the only thing that's saying is that your drive is well-traveled. Flash drive deteriorate with usage. Also I was asking how as in, what method did you use? And did you check the hash of the file?
[06:26] <rabbitnightmare> 16.04 isnt coming out yet
[06:26] <rabbitnightmare> its not due for a week
[06:26] <Arcaire> lllll
[06:26] <halivingston> :P
[06:26] <rabbitnightmare> ouroumov: the flash drive works
[06:26] <rabbitnightmare> its pretty new
[06:26] <Guido1> I have a problem with a samba printer which is located on an XP home. i have to enter some kind of username and paswoord. The user name and pasword of the admin do not work.
[06:26] <ouroumov> rabbitnightmare, OK, still two answers left.
[06:26] <rabbitnightmare> I just tried it on the desktop, try Ubuntu without installing, BAM desktop
[06:27] <halivingston> ok so I'm trying it on a different machine with Microsoft HyperV .. and I'll let you all know, but the GUI is just hung and if I right click it keeps flashing the right click menu non stop
[06:27] <rabbitnightmare> move to the laptop, black screen and notta
[06:27] <halivingston> rabbitnightmare: good point, lemme try live also .. i just installed it
[06:28] <rabbitnightmare> halivingston: you have one of these abominations?
[06:28] <kathirvel> What is release date and time of Ubuntu 16.04 LTS? Can any one give me of IST of Ubuntu 16.04 LTS release?
[06:28] <spikebike> kathirvel: today
[06:28] <serianox> about 24 hs from now
[06:28] <halivingston> rabbitnightmare: you mean the maroon background and nothing else loading?
[06:28] <rabbitnightmare> when it's done™
[06:28] <rabbitnightmare> halivingston: for me its black
[06:29] <rabbitnightmare> ive disabled secure boot
[06:29] <serianox> guys will zfs come by default?  with all this licencing drama..
[06:29] <rabbitnightmare> ive enabled it and picked an efi file
[06:29] <rabbitnightmare> ive loaded a special efi file
[06:29] <hateball> rabbitnightmare: did you try nomodeset ?
[06:29] <trijntje> !+1 | serianox
[06:29] <kathirvel> spikebike: I am from India. So I want IST timing.
[06:29] <rabbitnightmare> hateball: how
[06:29] <trijntje> !16.04 | serianox
[06:29] <hateball> !nomodeset | rabbitnightmare
[06:29] <spikebike> kathirvel: within 24 hours of right now
[06:29] <basso> geif release n0w
[06:29] <Jordan_U> serianox: zfs support will be available by default, it will not be the default filesystem. For legal disccusion please join #ubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-discuss.
[06:29] <basso> i wants it
[06:30] <kathirvel> spikebike: Oh! Thanks.
[06:30] <rabbitnightmare> hateball: that requries I have it installed? how do I accomplish this via the usb drive
[06:30] <hateball> rabbitnightmare: no you can edit grub boot on live media as well
[06:30] <rabbitnightmare> thanks though this is something
[06:30] <rabbitnightmare> sweet
[06:30] <rabbitnightmare> tyvm
[06:30] <rabbitnightmare> its intel graphics
[06:31] <rabbitnightmare> ive never had an issue with intel before thank you very much
[06:31] <rabbitnightmare> yay desktop
[06:31] <rabbitnightmare> r.e.t.a.r.d.e.d
[06:31] <rabbitnightmare> thanks I can google from here
[06:31] <hateball> rabbitnightmare: to be fair I've not heard of such issues with intel either, but
[06:31] <rabbitnightmare> I couldnt figure that out
[06:32] <rabbitnightmare> im like I know this should work
[06:32] <Jordan_U> rabbitnightmare: Do not use retarded as an insult in this channel.
[06:32] <rabbitnightmare> Jordan_U: sorry I insulted you, it wasnt directed at you
[06:32] <rabbitnightmare> it was at this laptop
[06:32] <rabbitnightmare> ty hateball
[06:32] <Jordan_U> rabbitnightmare: I don't care who or what you intended to insult. Don't do it again in this channel.
[06:33] <rabbitnightmare> Jordan_U: mmkay cool your panties no need to go full retard over a word bro, get out get some sun and some air man,
[06:34] <root4> testing..
[06:34] <trijntje> well, if someone could ban rabbitnightmare so they dont come back that'd be great
[06:35] <root4> What does my terminal look like if I use this command "sudo su"?
[06:38] <dograt> Hi. I have all interfaces set in /etc/network/interfaces as static, with only address, netmask, and gateway stanzas, and yet /etc/resolv.conf is being overwritten by resolvconf on reboot. Anyone know why this could be?
[06:38] <Pelucho> Looking forward to Ubuntu 16.04 LTS launch today! Any idea at what time it will be up?
[06:38] <bogdanr_> network-manager still uses the resolvconf stuff, even if you have static ip addresses
[06:39] <spikebike> dograt: is dhclient running?
[06:39] <izhar> Hi everyone.
[06:39] <viscera> Pelucho: the ISO looks available to me
[06:39] <izhar> I need some advice..
[06:39] <dograt> spikebike: looks like no. And with how the interfaces are set an networkmanager not running, I don't know why it might run.
[06:39] <rud0lf> !xenial
[06:39] <bogdanr_> dograt: why don't you configure everything from network-manager?
[06:40] <dograt> bogdanr_: this is a server so no need for networkmanager, all interfaces are static
[06:40] <bogdanr_> dograt: you should have said this from the beginning :)
[06:40] <bogdanr_> I think you can safely remove the resolvconf package
[06:40] <bogdanr_> if installed
[06:40] <dograt> Ah
[06:41] <bogdanr_> and disable network manager
[06:41] <dograt> Well I know from debian that networkmanager leaves any interfaces specified in /etc/network/interfaces alone
[06:41] <izhar> someone who can help me. My landscape ubuntu said there is no available licences to add server. But my company was bought 43 license for landscape ubuntu.
[06:41] <C0r3_> Accidentally I dropped my laptop and then I found that I have lost my desktop environment, but I'm able to operate it with the tty. The problem is, I had some data in a partition and I was unable to 'cd' into it. I changed the permission using 'chmod' and got the access but the data is lost. Is it possible to recover?
[06:41] <Jordan_U> Pelucho: viscera: 16.04 is not released yet. Please join #ubuntu-release-party to be among the first to know when it is released and don't try to get images before then.
[06:41] <viscera> Jordan_U: odd, there are links on reddit
[06:41] <dograt> bogdanr_: required by ubuntu-minimal. Seems like I should keep that?
[06:42] <viscera> Jordan_U: https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/
[06:42] <spikebike> izhar: I'd talk to canocial about that
[06:42] <dograt> So I don't accidentally delete useful packages?
[06:42] <dg87> so what exactly is the teaming up between Microsoft and Ubuntu about? are they sharing with their data mining or something?
[06:42] <Jordan_U> viscera: reddit is not a reliable source. Please read the message at http://mirrors.rit.edu/ubuntu-releases/.pool/ .
[06:42] <izhar> spikebike:Is there any solution on that?
[06:43] <Jordan_U> dg87: #ubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-discuss for such discussion please.
[06:43] <bogdanr_> dograt: you can configure resolv.conf any way you want, then use chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf
[06:43] <bogdanr_> I thing that, beacuase of resolvconf package, the file is a symlink
[06:44] <spikebike> izhar: ya, talk to canocial
[06:44] <Guido1> I have a problem with a samba printer which is located on an XP home. i have to enter some kind of username and paswoord. The user name and pasword of the admin do not work.
[06:44] <izhar> how to talk with canonical?
[06:44] <cfhowlett> izhar, www.canonical.com
[06:44] <viscera> Jordan_U: but the URL looks official doesn't it? -- http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/ubuntu-14.04.4-desktop-amd64.iso
[06:45] <viscera> ohhhh 14.04 nevermind :D
[06:45] <izhar> thanks
[06:45] <bogdanr_> Guido1: http://smallbusiness.chron.com/turn-off-password-protected-sharing-xp-54770.html
[06:45]  * viscera is asleep]
[06:45] <Jordan_U> viscera: Whatever URL or anything else you might find, it's not released until it's released. Just be patient.
[06:45] <viscera> Jordan_U: aight
[06:45] <viscera> Jordan_U: can i ask you a security question
[06:46] <Jordan_U> viscera: You can ask the channel an Ubuntu related security channel, and if anyone thinks they can answer it they will.
[06:46] <Jordan_U> s/security channel/security question/
[06:46] <viscera> ok. actually i might just wait until tomorrow since i have to logoff shortly
[06:46] <dograt> bogdanr_: I think I'll just install ubuntu-minimal, dhclient, and resolvconf. Thanks.
[06:47] <dograt> *uninstall
[06:47] <Guido1> bogdanr_: It says "Windows XP Home Edition has Simple File Sharing permanently enabled"
[06:47] <SynfulAck> is there a time that they are going to release 16.04lts?
[06:48] <spikebike> SynfulAck: yes, today
[06:48] <cfhowlett> SynfulAck, when it's ready.
[06:48] <spikebike> (April 21st)
[06:48] <Pelucho> #ubuntu-release-party for the excited ones
[06:48] <wligtenberg> ah, it is the day that everybody asks when it will be released. :)
[06:48] <bogdanr_> Guido1: did you follow the steps there?
[06:49] <izhar> hi I cannot find the support. Where should I ask to canonical? when I go to Ask! it will route to ubuntu..
[06:49] <Guido1> bogdanr_: folders are shared and the steps about chosing between simple file ssharing and the other seams to be related to xp professional, not home
[06:49] <cfhowlett> izhar, go to the canonical website.  it is clearly stated.
[06:50] <zzarr> hello! how do I change from a development release to current stable?
[06:50] <izhar> i found it..
[06:50] <izhar> thank you
[06:50] <Guido1> bogdanr_: what do i have to enter in the autoriusation form which pops up on linux?
[06:51] <bogdanr_> usually, the administrative account from windows XP
[06:52] <Guido1> bogdanr_: strange. just trying to remvoe the DNS attention and to leave the work group only
[06:58] <CyborgCygnus> Man it surely has to be only hours until 16.04 is out....why no live countdown clock anywhere for dis one?
[06:58] <DiamondSword> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ is this the 16.04 stable?
[06:59] <bogdanr_> DiamondSword: no
[06:59] <Ben64> !party
[06:59] <Guido1> bogdanr_: not working
[06:59] <DiamondSword> bogdanr_, not released. ok
[07:00] <bogdanr_> Guido1: sorry to hear. don't know how I can help
[07:00] <bogdanr_> windows sucks
[07:01] <Guido1> bogdanr_: i have another xp with which it works. so i was thinking about copying the settings
[07:02] <bogdanr_> maybe it's a group policy
[07:02] <bogdanr_> i don't know
[07:02] <Guido1> bogdanr_: They are all in the same workgroup
[07:02] <Starcraftmazter|> hi
[07:02] <Starcraftmazter|> our ubuntu seems to have stopped working
[07:02] <Starcraftmazter|> 14..04
[07:03] <cfhowlett> !details | Starcraftmazter|
[07:03] <bogdanr_> Guido1: Again, windows is not my strong point :)
[07:03] <Starcraftmazter|> basically at startup theres no kernel choice screen, theres just a _ at the top left of the screen, ctrl+alt+f any f key dont do anything
[07:05] <informatycy> siemka
[07:06] <Wulf> !pl | informatycy
[07:06] <mynick> hello
[07:06] <informatycy> yolo
[07:06] <informatycy> hello my friend
[07:06] <mynick> from which country
[07:07] <informatycy> Pozdrawiam klase 1Ti  z Nowogardu
[07:07] <informatycy> poland
[07:07] <informatycy> cioto
[07:07] <rud0lf> lol
[07:07] <informatycy> no
[07:07] <informatycy> only csgo
[07:07] <rud0lf> you
[07:07] <informatycy> me
[07:07] <rud0lf> you're in bad place i guess
[07:08] <informatycy> i dont think so
[07:08] <informatycy> and u?
[07:08] <informatycy> propobly Africa
[07:08] <Poke95> Don't feed the trolls.
[07:09] <cfhowlett> do not feed, do not engage.
[07:09] <Poke95> They are just the same :)
[07:10] <keepguessing> Hi, I have 15.10 ubuntu machine and it hangs everytime I am not on my vpn network.
[07:10] <keepguessing> When I say hang I mean everything becomes slow [including autocomplete. shutting down boot up. It hangs at various points.]
[07:11] <Faris> Hello! I need to install an old package from an old repo, but when I do smth like "apt-get install php5=5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny16 -t lenny", it doesn't want to install the old dependencies from that repo
[07:11] <Faris> it gives smth like this:  php5 : Depends: libapache2-mod-php5 (>= 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny16) but it is not going to be installed
[07:11] <keepguessing> I tried looking at syslog file but nothing in it that tells me whats the problem.
[07:11] <Ben64> Faris: not supported, terrible idea, and that looks like debian, not ubuntu
[07:11] <informatycy> ?
[07:12] <Poke95> !pl | informatcy
[07:12] <informatycy> Hi
[07:12] <keepguessing> systemd-analyze blames nslcd
[07:12] <informatycy> (sorry for bad english)
[07:13] <keepguessing> How do I debug this any suggestions?
[07:17] <iron_houzi> Can anyone tell me why `apt-cache policy foobar` doesn't return non-zero when unable to locate package foobar?
[07:18] <iron_houzi> ..or rather, how to work around this, when checking this programatically .. looking for something more elegant that a "cut and compare string" method..
[07:21] <iron_houzi> OK, I'll just grep the output then.
[07:24] <KiBi1__> ahh it's a wonderful day
[07:25] <mkmbhs> hi bodies
[07:32] <melindo> is there any way to have multiple diskless systems boot of pxe and use same tftp storage?
[07:33] <KurtKraut> melindo, I guess so. I belive there is 'metal as a service' solutions that rely on that, but not sure nor I can direct you to any docs regarding it.
[07:34] <KeithWeisshar> ubuntu 16.04 is scheduled for today
[07:34] <KeithWeisshar> do you have an estimate release time in eastern daylight time zone
[07:34] <KurtKraut> KeithWeisshar, nops, nobody has it. Can happen anytime for the next 24 hours.
[07:36] <DevAntoine> hi
[07:37] <EriC^^> hi
[07:38] <crziter> hello, Does Ubuntu 15.10 have package: mingw-w64-glib2?
[07:39] <crziter> I have to cross-compile a program, it requires glib2
[07:40] <hateball> !packages
[07:40] <hateball> crziter: ^
[07:41] <soupnanodesukar> PSA: Any ubuntu devs here? I found a broken link on ubuntu.com.
[07:41] <crziter> hateball: I mean I can see it not found with `apt-get install` command, may it hidden somewhere ?
[07:42] <soupnanodesukar> Specifically, a mirror is down. The Australian link on the alternative downloads page. Can't do much about it other than wait for it to come back up.
[07:43] <hateball> crziter: I am not familiar with that particular package, do you not get all oyu need from mingw-w64 ?
[07:48] <KeithWeisshar> does ubuntu 16.04 fix bug listed on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/1447038
[07:51] <[diablo]> G'morning #ubuntu ....15.04 going live today yeah?
[07:51] <hehe> is it available yet?
[07:52] <bogdanr_> !isitout?
[07:52] <[diablo]> :D
[07:53] <lonix> [diablo]: im fairly certain that 15.04 arrive about 1. year ago
[07:53] <[diablo]> doing an upgrade of my 15.10 desktop to 16.04 .... but actually once the ISO's are out, I'll do a clean install... plus I want ZFS ... so cool that they're adding ZFS
[07:54] <lonix> :P
[07:54] <[diablo]> LOL, sorry lonix I'm still trashed from last night
[07:54] <lonix> dont worry about it, im just haveing som fun at your expence
[07:54] <Kartagis> I thought LTSs were not EOL for 5 years
[07:58] <mynick2> Hiya
[07:59] <geirha> Kartagis: regular releases end support after 9 months, LTS releases end support after 5 years
[07:59] <pingwindyktator> hello. I've got a list of files generated by 'find . -iname .....'. How to search throught context of these files? I usually use grep -Iinr, but I can use it here obviuolsy
[08:00] <geirha> find . -iname ... -exec grep pattern /dev/null {} +
[08:00] <EriC^^> pingwindyktator: for i in $(cat /path/to/file); do grep .. "$i"; done
[08:01] <geirha> I wouldn't recommend treating filenames as words
[08:01] <Kartagis> geirha: then the info on the !releases page is wrong
[08:01] <Kartagis> !release
[08:01] <Kartagis> geirha: ^^
[08:02] <pingwindyktator> geirha: perfect, thanks ;)
[08:02] <geirha> Kartagis: how so?
[08:03] <Kartagis> geirha: there is 14.04.4 afaik, but it doesn't exist on the page, and it says 3 years for LTSs like 14.04
[08:05] <geirha> Kartagis: Ah, yes that table is weird. And there's no explanation of what "HWE August 8, 2014" means
[08:06] <geirha> pingwindyktator: Really? You're not going to ask why I added /dev/null in there? ;p
[08:07] <pingwindyktator> I'm just about to ask ;D I dony understand  /dev/null {} +
[08:08] <geirha> if you do  grep pattern file   you get the matching lines printed. If you do  grep pattern file1 file2   you get the matching lines printed with file1: or file2: prepended
[08:08] <EriC^^> why /dev/null though
[08:08] <geirha> so it's for the edge case where find's -exec replaces {} with only one filename. The /dev/null makes sure it will have at least two filenames, so that the filename is prepended
[08:09] <geirha> *so that the "filename:" is prepended to each matching line
[08:09] <christ_> ola guys
[08:09] <EriC^^> you mean incase it actually only finds 1 single file
[08:10] <geirha> /dev/null will naturally never have any matches
[08:10] <geirha> EriC^^: yes, or it finds so many that it has to invoke grep multiple times, and the last one only gets one file
[08:10] <EriC^^> aha
[08:10] <pingwindyktator> geirha: i't makes sense indeed ;p
[08:11] <rafgas> Hello all. Currently i have ubuntu gnome, but i am curious  to see what ubuntu unity looks like un 16.04. How can i, in the safest way possible, do this?
[08:12] <LordMoore> rafgas: I think its 'sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop'
[08:13] <rafgas> just a sideline : isnt apt-get depreciated? (but thanks for answer!)
[08:13] <LordMoore> rafgas: I don't think so? Where did you hear that?
[08:14] <rafgas> reddit, someone said sudo apt replaces apt-get, but i have no idea if its true or not
[08:14] <rafgas> btw, when i do that LordMoore, will my gnome shell be available to me at login?
[08:14] <halvors> Anyone knows when 16.04 will be available for download?
[08:15] <rafgas> in 2 years
[08:15] <cfhowlett> !party | halvors
[08:15] <LordMoore> rafgas: Yes, you will keep Gnome, and at the login screen you will be able to select your preferred environment
[08:15] <Kartagis> halvors: #ubuntu+1
[08:15] <rafgas> perfect! thanks LordMoore. I am still curious to see if other know if apt-get is deprecated or not
[08:16] <cfhowlett> rafgas, apt-get is not yet deprecated.
[08:16] <rafgas> thanks cfhowlett !
[08:16] <Kartagis> are there plans to do so?
[08:17] <cfhowlett> eventually.  apt has been rolled out but still has some functional gaps that are are being addressed - presumably
[08:17] <LordMoore> rafgas: I see mention as far back as 2005 about apt replacing it, but nowhere that is's replaced. Pretty sure you'd see it all over the place
[08:17] <rafgas> makes sense for such an important command yeah.
[08:17] <geirha> 2005 ... that's probably apt-get vs aptitude
[08:18] <LordMoore> geirha: That's what I thought at first too. I can't see apt-get being phased out though.
[08:19] <rafgas> hmm, i have ubuntu desktop installed, but when i logout, i dont see the option for loading unity. Is it perhaps my loggin screen that needs changing?
[08:19] <cfhowlett> rafgas, unless you have more than one Desktop Environment, no need to display the unity option
[08:19] <cfhowlett> as it is the default
[08:20] <LordMoore> rafgas: You might want the lightdm login manager (that has the option)
[08:20] <rafgas> i do, i have both gnome and unity, i use gnome but i want to see what unity looks like in 16.04 as well (when that comes)
[08:20] <LordMoore> rafgas: The command is 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm'
[08:20] <rafgas> LordMoore: thanks!
[08:21] <geirha> rafgas: You don't have an Ubuntu icon you can click next to your name in the login screen?
[08:22] <rafgas> i used gdm, perhaps that blocks unity?
[08:22] <LordMoore> geirha: That's on the lightdm login screen, not the default Ubuntu Gnome login
[08:22] <rafgas> gonna check it out, brb!
[08:22] <LordMoore> rafgas: Good luck!
[08:23] <bogdanr_> !isitout?
[08:24] <geirha> Oh, heh, I haven't paid attention in class. When someone say Ubuntu Gnome, I've assumed they mean the "regular" ubuntu, but I see now it's a separate variant
[08:25] <LordMoore> geirha: Yes, and the best variant...of course
[08:25] <rafgas_> Well, everything works. happy about that! thanks guys
[08:26] <Insanity_> How long should I wait before updating to 16.04? Assuming it probably has some minor issues at first
[08:26] <loll1p0p> Insanity_: well 15.10 support ends after 6 months propably thne?
[08:26] <Insanity_> I'm on 14.04
[08:27] <LordMoore> rafgas_: Glad to hear it
[08:27] <hateball> Insanity_: 16.04.1 is out in june
[08:27] <Insanity_> Cheers :-)
[08:30] <geirha> 15.10 ends support 16.07
[08:31] <bogdanr_> !isitout?
[08:31] <ap0> yes
[08:31] <bogdanr_> asa
[08:31] <bogdanr_> !isitout?
[08:31] <Metallus> asa
[08:31] <Metallus> !isitout?
[08:31] <bogdanr_> hehe
[08:31] <Metallus> lol
[08:32] <bogdanr_> dap
[08:32] <geirha> !xenial
[08:32] <nanaasar> where are the vagrant uses at
[08:32] <bogdanr_> intra si pe #ubuntu-release-party
[08:32] <bogdanr_> click pe canal
[08:32] <bogdanr_> si te join-uieste automat
[08:32] <ap0> why isn't the 24th release released on the 24th?
[08:32] <panina> shush now, we want the shiny new thing today :)
[08:32] <Poke95> seems reasonable
[08:33] <geirha> ap0: what to do for the 32nd release?
[08:33] <panina> cry
[08:33] <ap0> geirha, it's still time. maybe we'll have a 32nd till then
[08:34] <Poke95> Well, just say !isitout? a lot of times until ubottu dies
[08:34] <panina> "mom, why do we have 60 days every month?" "because of canonical, dear"
[08:34] <LordMoore> My main concern is, what are they going to call the 28th release?
[08:34] <Poke95> !isitout
[08:34] <ap0> panina, hehe
[08:34] <ap0> LordMoore, they add letters to the alphabet
[08:35] <LordMoore> ap0: Sounds about right
[08:35] <LordMoore> ap0: Or worse...use Emoji
[08:35] <Metallus> !isitout?
[08:35] <Myrtti> could you not go the silly route? let's keep the silliness to -release-party, please.
[08:35] <ap0> Maybe they will stop with those kind of dump names... I hope
[08:35] <bogdanr_> if the functionality is here, I guess it's allowed
[08:35] <LordMoore> Myrtti: What sillyness?
[08:35] <bogdanr_> so:
[08:35] <bogdanr_> !isitout?
[08:36] <bogdanr_> this sillyness :)
[08:36] <bogdanr_> !isitout?
[08:36] <Myrtti> bogdanr_: please.
[08:36] <bogdanr_> :)
[08:36] <bogdanr_> ok ok
[08:36] <bogdanr_> true
[08:37] <sv2241> wasn't 16.04 LTS supposed to be realeased today?
[08:37] <panina> Myrtti, I hear you and agree
[08:37] <ap0> haha
[08:37] <Myrtti> usually Thursday afternoon uk time
[08:39] <nanaasar> i have a problem with vagrant... can anyone help me
[08:39] <hateball> !help | nanaasar
[08:41] <nanaasar> my vagrant is not running my existing vagrant vm but its creating a new vagrant vm.. help!
[08:42] <wyoung> hello
[08:43] <Jim167> When will 16.04 be released?
[08:43] <wyoung> I am trying to copy a file that contains a \#240 character in it
[08:43] <wyoung> no idea what encoding that is, cp and rsync and both complaining about Invalid or incomplete multibyte or wide character
[08:44] <wyoung> I tried using --iconv option in rsync but i have no idea what the encoding is
[08:44] <Jim167> What kind of file is that?
[08:45] <alkisg> wyoung: try with LANG=C LANGUAGE= in the environment
[08:45] <alkisg> I.e. try to disable utf-8 temporarily
[08:46] <wyoung> alkisg: export LANG=C LANGUAGE=
[08:46] <alkisg> Yup, something like that
[08:46] <alkisg> And then "mv" or "cp"
[08:47] <joaquinmunozsmr> joar_: hi
[08:48] <wyoung> alkisg:  Invalid or incomplete multibyte or wide character
[08:48] <wyoung> alkisg: even after I tried to rename it too
[08:48] <alkisg> wyoung: env | grep ^L
[08:48] <alkisg> Run "unset" for all the LC_* variables
[08:48] <alkisg> So that you're only left with LANG=C
[08:49] <wyoung> alkisg: yup, everything is set to C, same when I type in locale too
[08:49] <nahuel> Hi people, just a little question… is there a way to get xchat on ubuntu 16.04 ? I only found xchat-gnome that is ugly…
[08:50] <imsurit> how long for new LTS ?
[08:50] <nahuel> in previous ubuntu I had "normal" xchat
[08:50] <wyoung> imsurit: some time this month
[08:50] <wyoung> nahuel: I gave up on xchat years ago, irssi for the win!
[08:50] <imsurit> wyoung: wasn't it supposed to be released today ?
[08:50] <alkisg> wyoung: when you're trying to rename it, are you using a glob? E.g.: mv part*file test
[08:50] <wyoung> imsurit: no idea
[08:50] <wyoung> alkisg: no
[08:50] <lotuspsychje> nahuel: xchat is no longer maintained, use hexchat
[08:51] <cfhowlett> imsurit, when it's done
[08:51] <alkisg> wyoung: because with LANG=C, you won't be able to match it easily
[08:51] <nahuel> wyoung, that's not an answer for my question
[08:51] <nahuel> lotuspsychje, oh, really ? thanks !
[08:51] <wyoung> nahuel: no it wasn't, it was how I got around it :)
[08:51] <alkisg> wyoung: ok, try to match the unicode characters by using a * somewhere in the filename
[08:51] <wyoung> nahuel: personal experiences and what not
[08:51] <nahuel> ;)
[08:51] <imsurit> cfhowlett: so whats coming out today is just 16.04?
[08:51] <nahuel> I use xchat non-gnome for a while now
[08:51] <nahuel> well, now hexchat ;-)
[08:51] <cfhowlett> imsurit, what else would you expect??
[08:51] <nahuel> thanks lotuspsychje!
[08:52] <imsurit> cfhowlett: ah, ok
[08:52] <wyoung> alkisg: wooooo!!!!
[08:52] <alkisg> :)
[08:52] <wyoung> alkisg: you are a genius!
[08:52] <alkisg> Haha
[08:55] <wyoung> alkisg: I take it you have ran into this issue before?
[08:57] <alkisg> wyoung: nah, I'm Greek, locale issues in Linux are daily for us here :D
[08:58] <wyoung> alkisg: ah yeah, the Greek language is fun
[08:58] <Dieselhonky> I am having an install issue using unetbootin.  after reboot i do not have a unetbootin option in my boot manager.  anyone know what the issue is?  thanks
[08:58] <wyoung>  /-?\#254\#241___.___": Invalid or incomplete multibyte or wide character (84) wee!! I have 5 more to convert
[08:59] <Ben64> Dieselhonky: what? unetbootin helps you put an iso onto a usb. there would never be a unetbootin option to boot from
[08:59] <Dieselhonky> their website disagrees.
[09:00] <cfhowlett> Dieselhonky, wait what?
[09:00] <cfhowlett> you created a bootable USB, installed ubuntu, removed the USB and rebooted, right?
[09:00] <Dieselhonky> cant get that far
[09:00] <cfhowlett> !details | Dieselhonky
[09:00] <Ben64> their website doesn't say anything of the sort Dieselhonky
[09:01] <Dieselhonky> got the iso.  used unetbootin to create the bootable USB on my C:/ drive.  rebooted
[09:01] <cfhowlett> c?  as in a Hard Drive?
[09:01] <Dieselhonky> yes
[09:01] <Ben64> what iso, c:/ isn't a usb drive
[09:02] <cfhowlett> nope.  you might have DOWNLOADED to c:, but you  are expected to use unetbootin to create a bootable USB drive
[09:02] <wyoung> Download to C:/ :\
[09:03] <Dieselhonky> ok guys.  be patient with me.  i am not a 9th degree black belt at linux.  i ran the unetbootin program the way it is described on the website to make a seperate bootable instance on the C:/ drive to boot from.
[09:04] <cfhowlett> no you did not do as unetbootin advised.
[09:04] <Ben64> c:\ is still not a usb drive
[09:04] <Bernzel> whats the command to get my ip?
[09:04] <cfhowlett> get yourself a USB stick.  use unetbootin to place the .iso on the USB stick.
[09:04] <Ben64> Bernzel: ifconfig
[09:04] <wyoung> Ben64: ifconfig
[09:04] <wyoung> lol tab coplete fail
[09:04] <Ben64> wyoung: yep thats what i said :D
[09:04] <wyoung> Ben64: :D
[09:05] <Dieselhonky> it is clearly said on the site.  https://unetbootin.github.io/
[09:05] <Bernzel> Ben64, which parameter is my ip? Bcast =
[09:05] <Bernzel> ?
[09:05] <wyoung> Dieselhonky: You are not even at the linux stage yet :) you are still on windows
[09:05] <Ben64> Bernzel: inet addr
[09:05] <Bernzel> ah thanks!
[09:05] <Dieselhonky> thanks wyoung.  very helpful
[09:05] <cfhowlett> Dieselhonky, and yet it did not work.  not going to argue here.  what you have done failed. you have been given the solution.
[09:06] <wyoung> Dieselhonky: so you just need to be a ninja black belt at windows at this stage :)
[09:06] <cfhowlett> !behelpful | wyoung please
[09:06] <Dieselhonky> for a support channel you guys are kind of assholes
[09:06] <wyoung> cfhowlett: cheers
[09:06] <wyoung> Dieselhonky: nah, I am the asshole, the other guys are cool
[09:06] <cfhowlett> and that kind of attitude gets you ignored.  this is a family friendly channel.  dropt the profanity
[09:11] <wyoung> hmmm, I keep forgetting that some people have issues with words, I guess I have been desensitised.
[09:13] <fotang> good morning. an iso (about 4.4GB) was written to an 8GB flash drive using `dd'. How can I extract the original-sized iso from the flash drive? when mounted, `df' shows "/dev/sdc 4.4G", but `dd if=/dev/sdc ..'creates an 8GB file!
[09:14] <huwjr> that’s because your memory stick is 8gb and you’re duping the entire stick not the iso
[09:14] <huwjr> dd is block level copying, not file level copying
[09:14] <fotang> the iso is a bootable image
[09:14] <stratos> when will 1604 be available?
[09:14] <alkisg> fotang: do you know the original size?
[09:14] <cfhowlett> !party | stratos
[09:15] <fotang> alkisg, no
[09:15] <EriC^^> fotang: try dd if= .. of=.. bs=4.4G count=1
[09:15] <EriC^^> might get lucky
[09:16] <alkisg> fotang: run: sudo less /dev/sdc, it should show you a special listing of the iso properties, does it?
[09:17] <alkisg> Or, less extracted.iso
[09:17] <jackcom> how can i move folder including sub folder and file?
[09:17] <hateball> It's also possible to use mkisofs to create a new ISO from the files, make sure to get the bootloader as well
[09:17] <big_bill> is it out yet?
[09:17] <alkisg> fotang:  Then you're looking for something like this:
[09:17] <alkisg> Logical block size is: 2048
[09:17] <alkisg> Volume size is: 355542
[09:17] <EriC^^> jackcom: mv /dir /newlocation
[09:17] <cfhowlett> !party | big_bill
[09:17] <alkisg> fotang:  The desired size is the multiplication of those 2
[09:17] <jackcom> EriC^^: i use linux
[09:18] <EriC^^> jackcom: it's a linux command
[09:18] <alkisg> fotang: so, dd if= of= bs=2048 count=355542
[09:18] <jackcom> EriC^^: strange there is no option?
[09:19] <big_bill> theres no one at the party. am i too early?
[09:19] <jackcom> EriC^^: i want to include sub folder and sub file.
[09:19] <lotuspsychje> big_bill: 112 users...
[09:19] <Basstard`> EriC^^: No, it is not.
[09:19] <fotang> alkisg, how do i get the volume size?
[09:19] <cfhowlett> big_bill, this is not the channel for party discussion
[09:19] <alkisg> fotang: did you run the "less" command?
[09:19] <EriC^^> jackcom: yes it'll include them, you're not actually moving any data, just renaming a file
[09:19] <alkisg> (12:16:52 μμ) alkisg: fotang: run: sudo less /dev/sdc, it should show you a special listing of the iso properties, does it? Or, less extracted.iso
[09:20] <jackcom> oh thanks EriC^^
[09:20] <jackcom> :)
[09:20] <EriC^^> no problem :)
[09:21] <fotang> alkisg, thanks. i will try that
[09:23] <EriC^^> Basstard`: k
[09:23] <fotang> alkisg, `less /dev/sdc' gives error "/dev/sdc is not a regular file"
[09:23] <alkisg> fotang: what about less extracted.iso?
[09:24] <fotang> alkisg, "file.iso" may be a binary file
[09:25] <alkisg> fotang: sudo file -s /dev/sdc ?
[09:25] <fotang> alkisg, /dev/sdc: DOS/MBR boot sector
[09:26] <EriC^^> what iso is this?
[09:26] <Basstard`> EriC^^: You are probably referring to mv which is a part of coreutils and thus GNU. Linux is only a kernel.
[09:26] <EriC^^> Basstard`: oh my!
[09:26] <EriC^^> the madness, the horror, the ..
[09:27] <Arcaire> ganuu slash linux
[09:27] <alkisg> fotang: it doesn't sound like an iso 9660 format, yup, what does it contain?
[09:27] <fotang> alkisg, a bootable image
[09:27] <alkisg> fotang: more details?
[09:28] <fotang> alkisg, some linux distro somebody has brought to me to help him extract. he thinks i'm the expert
[09:29] <EriC^^> which linux distro
[09:29] <fotang> alkisg, he says Leap something
[09:29] <fotang> just a sec
[09:29] <EriC^^> paste sudo parted -l of the usb
[09:29] <fotang> alkisg,  EriC^^ Suse Leap
[09:30] <EriC^^> alkisg: wouldn't the partition table show where the end is of the iso?
[09:30] <EriC^^> fotang: why can't he just download the iso online?
[09:30] <alkisg> EriC^^, fotang: some distros are using patched .isos to make them boot from usb, cd and uefi
[09:30] <alkisg> So then they're not easily parsable by tools like "less"
[09:31] <EriC^^> yeah
[09:31] <alkisg> I.e. they don't have standard headers, they contain a semi-broken mbr...
[09:31] <EriC^^> uh huh
[09:31] <bulubuntu> 16.04 today or 26?
[09:32] <Ben64> bulubuntu: today sometime
[09:32] <fotang> alkisg, EriC^^ thanks for your efforts. i understand better now. i will investigate further using google
[09:32] <bulubuntu> thanks
[09:32] <alkisg> fotang: you're welcome
[09:34] <zaki> when is the 16.04 release time..?
[09:34] <Ben64> sometime in the next 24 hours
[09:34] <yacc_> Any idea if the Aquaris MQ10 supports dual monitor configurations, or only mirroring it's display to the HDMI port?
[09:35] <EriC^^> fotang: fdisk or parted should show where the last partition ends, you could use that with dd to extract the iso
[09:35] <knockknock> hello
[09:35] <zaki> why..! 15 hours allready gone here..
[09:35] <knockknock> just broke my computer with one of the pre-release versions :)
[09:35] <zaki> i cant w8 anymore..
[09:35] <Ben64> then go install the beta
[09:39] <Mustangman1966> Where can I download the final release of 16.04?
[09:39] <Ben64> the future
[09:39] <wyoung> Does being in a +10:00 UTC time zone count for being in the future?
[09:39] <Ben64> no
[09:39] <wyoung> :(
[09:40] <wyoung> so ubuntu will be released on the 22nd then :(
[09:40] <\9> why's everyone in such a rush to upgrade anyway..?
[09:41] <Ben64> it's like this every 6 months
[09:41] <\9> I know
[09:42] <wyoung> \9: cause I am still on 14.04 LTS
[09:42] <hiya> Anyone here able to install Freeradius 3.x?
[09:42] <edmoore> must be something about sprintrime and LTS
[09:42] <hiya> where did you find the sql.conf and scheme.sql?
[09:42] <edmoore> springtime*
[09:42] <Ben64> wyoung: the upgrade isn't offered by default until 16.04.1
[09:43] <\9> 14.04 is also still supported for another 3 years
[09:43] <\9> and 15.10 for another year or so?
[09:43] <\9> I'm planning on upgrading in a month or so after the release has stabilized
[09:43] <wyoung> Ben64: D:
[09:43] <Ben64> \9: 15.10 loses support in July
[09:44] <\9> oh, 3 months
[09:44] <\9> still gives me ample time though
[09:46] <edmoore> i used to be a rolling release distro person but now I often just wipe and clean-install my thinkpad once a year
[09:46] <nitish> Its 21st April. Ubuntu 16.04 lts was expected to release at this day. Has it released? Anybody have information about this?
[09:46] <lotuspsychje> nitish: not yet
[09:46] <lotuspsychje> !party | nitish
[09:47] <ElFuego> jwash: fixed your problem in the end?
[09:47] <edmoore> the actual reason was because i once wrote loads of stuff for a thesis on my laptop and over 3 years it accrued such a huge amount of undocumented software and scripts i'd written and mixed versions and flakey build tools and so on that it took me like 3 months to get a replacement machien (after first machine died) back to a state where i could do research
[09:47] <edmoore> - it was awful
[09:47] <edmoore> so now I force myself to document and test all my setups and by reinstalling clean every so often it forces me to check they all still work
[09:47] <edmoore> and keeps them current
[09:47] <edmoore> life has been better since
[09:47] <bulubuntu> !xenial
[09:48] <lotuspsychje> edmoore: easy on the enter button plz
[09:48] <edmoore> lotuspsychje: apologies
[09:49] <Trucker> Wow ;) there are a few here
[09:51] <wyoung> Trucker: and in the party channel too!
[09:52] <Trucker> cool
[09:52] <KeithWeisshar> should i buy the ubuntu usb stick from the canonical store?
[09:53] <EriC^^> download the iso and make a live usb
[09:53] <\9> note that ubuntu 16.04 is going to be released today, so you might want to consider waiting until it's out
[09:53] <KeithWeisshar> canonical is selling the brown ubunt usb stick for a few dollars
[09:54] <wyoung> KeithWeisshar: if you want to support ubuntu, why not
[09:54] <KeithWeisshar> http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=1206
[09:55] <wyoung> KeithWeisshar: I have a ubuntu mug, it is awesome
[09:55] <KeithWeisshar> once i buy the usb, can it be updated with new images
[09:56] <KeithWeisshar> will the usb be written in raw mode
[09:56] <cmdr_plx> how many hours before 16.04 is available?
[09:56] <gemclip> i need a bit of help. I have a few windows 10 shares and I am running into logging in issues from my ubuntu 15.10 box
[09:56] <wyoung> KeithWeisshar: add this to your shopping cart too --> http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=1126
[09:56] <KeithWeisshar> will the official ubuntu usb include a warning not to format the drive
[09:57] <gemclip> I cant get past the smb login. It keeps asking to auth to the windows share and wont take any creds
[09:57] <wyoung> KeithWeisshar: no, there is a assumed intelligence level
[09:58] <gemclip> login to the windows box is xxxx@xxx.com / username
[09:58] <wyoung> gemclip: ? an email address?
[09:58] <wyoung> gemclip: you sure/
[09:59] <gemclip> simple share is enabled with access to everyone permitted
[09:59] <gemclip> wyoung yes its the retarded way MS requires it
[10:00] <gemclip> cifs is installe on ubuntu
[10:01] <lotuspsychje> !party > cmdr_plx
[10:01] <gemclip> ubuntu sees and logs into my NAS device on the same workgroup using anon access fine
[10:01] <KeithWeisshar> does the official preloaded usb flash drive in the canonical shop allow new iso images to be re-flashed to the drive once a new version of ubuntu is released?
[10:01] <KeithWeisshar> is it a re-writable drive
[10:02] <KeithWeisshar> and what brand of drive does ubuntu use
[10:04] <Guest9066> mhmd
[10:04] <infinitrix> "when" will 16.04 be released?
[10:05] <Ben64> "today"
[10:05] <infinitrix> Ben64: care to give me an exact time? :P
[10:05] <infinitrix> i've been waiting for about 15 hours.
[10:05] <The_Letter_M> Between now and 11:59PM
[10:06] <Ben64> when it's the 21st somewhere in the world
[10:06] <KeithWeisshar> does the ubuntu branded usb stick work as a normal usb flash drive
[10:06] <infinitrix> okay, so I take that none of you guys have the correct answer.
[10:06] <The_Letter_M> Yes
[10:06] <Ben64> infinitrix: it'll be out when it's out
[10:06] <KeithWeisshar> will it come with a letter to keep it in a safe place and not use it for other data
[10:07] <The_Letter_M> infinitrix, once they release it, the mirror you use needs to sync before it will tell you there's an update
[10:07] <Ben64> KeithWeisshar: maybe you should email the store, because this isn't the store support
[10:07] <KeithWeisshar> what's the official windows tool to write the iso directly to usb
[10:08] <cmdr_plx> "it'll be out when it is out"
[10:08] <infinitrix> oh no. i'm looking for a fresh install. i've been stalling for hours saying 16.04 is going to be out.
[10:08] <infinitrix> "what are you doing?"
[10:08] <KeithWeisshar> what windows tool should be used to write the hybrid iso to usb
[10:08] <infinitrix> "waiting for 16.04"
[10:08] <Qommand0r> KeithWeisshar: use something like Rufus
[10:08] <infinitrix> KeithWeisshar: rufus worked fine last i checked.
[10:09] <Ben64> infinitrix: so download and install the beta if you need it now
[10:09] <The_Letter_M> ^^ what he said
[10:09] <The_Letter_M> It'll update to the final release later when it's ready
[10:10] <infinitrix> Ben64: thought you'll be mentioning http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[10:12] <nitish> How many hours left in release of ubuntu 16.04 lts? P.S.: don't tell me to visi ubuntu-relase-party for countdown time. There is no countdown timer.
[10:12] <Ben64> nitish: less than 24
[10:12] <tux__> its OUT
[10:12] <Wulf> it's already released!
[10:12] <tux__> not..
[10:12] <tux__>  :P
[10:12] <l0ll1p0p> nitish: nobody knows. Its today 21st in UK's timezone
[10:12] <Wulf> like 15 minutes ago
[10:13] <Ben64> nope not out yet
[10:13] <nitish> Ben64: but it was expected to release today (21st April).
[10:13] <spikebike> and it did
[10:13] <Wulf> http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/ubuntu-16.04-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[10:13] <Ben64> nitish: and it is still today, so relax
[10:13] <tux__> w00t
[10:13] <tux__> looks ready..
[10:13] <Ben64> Wulf: thats nice, but not officially out yet
[10:13] <infinitrix> spikebike: i'll take your word for it when this shows something: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/xenial/release/
[10:13] <nitish> I think Mark Shuttleworth has a slow internet connection. So he is unable to upload the file(16.04 lts).
[10:14] <spikebike> infinitrix: umm, check ubuntu.com
[10:14] <tux__> its not on http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop yet
[10:14] <spikebike> http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/
[10:14] <xavier___> Hi
[10:14] <tux__> #ubuntu-release-party
[10:14] <spikebike> that authoritative enough for ya?
[10:14] <UbuntuDude> I set keyboard shortcuts to change between workspace from ctrl 1 to ctrl 4 but they don't seem to function at all ... can anyone help please?
[10:14] <Ben64> spikebike: not out yet
[10:15] <spikebike> Ben64: hit that url
[10:15] <infinitrix> ...
[10:15] <xavier___> I've found a (probably) bug in 16.04 network/interfaces
[10:15] <Ben64> great! it's still not officially out.
[10:15] <Ben64> xavier___: cool! head to #ubuntu+1 for support until it's out
[10:15] <spikebike> heh, releases.ubuntu.com isn't official neough for ya?
[10:15] <nitish> spikebike: Beta 2 is available.
[10:15] <Ben64> spikebike: not on ubuntu.com yet, so nope
[10:15] <Ben64> !party | spikebike
[10:15] <lerner> does ubuntu need more energy if I install lots of apps?
[10:16] <infinitrix> yes!
[10:16] <infinitrix> out!
[10:16] <lerner> I mean if my battery will last shorter
[10:16] <spikebike> http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/ubuntu-16.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[10:16] <spikebike> looks pretty official to me
[10:16] <Ben64> spikebike: not officially out
[10:16] <spikebike> note the lack of beta2
[10:16] <infinitrix> spikebike: !party
[10:16] <Ben64> until there's an announcement, it's not out
[10:16] <infinitrix> Ben64: ... okay.
[10:17] <infinitrix> although why would it say: last modified 20th april?
[10:19] <gemclip> anyone by chance, able to give me a hand with my network share issue?
[10:19] <captainfantastic> hello! while I was updating ubuntu, some dialog asking about setting layout changing key in terminal window and I accidentially set my shift as a modifier. Now everytime I click my left shift key layout changes. How do i revert it back?
[10:22] <UbuntuDude> I don't know why my question is so hard or not important for ubuntu experts!
[10:23] <rory> save your attempts at psychological manipulation
[10:23] <Wulf> UbuntuDude: I think it's a hard problem.
[10:23] <rory> UbuntuDude: Isn't it usually Ctrl-Alt-1 etc
[10:24] <Wulf> UbuntuDude: are you sure that "ctrl 1" or "ctrl 4" is actually the right sequence?
[10:24] <ElFuego> Sounds like a PEBCAC problem
[10:25] <UbuntuDude> rory: I've opened Keyboard > Shortcuts > Navigation and setup Ctrl+1 up to Ctrl+4 for my 4 workspaces but it doesn't function!
[10:25] <nitish> Can somebody tell me that what is pastebin?
[10:25] <UbuntuDude> Yes Wulf and also sure there is no conflict with other combinations
[10:25] <ElFuego> http://bit.ly/1SxtRhk
[10:25] <de-facto> nitish its a website (pastebin.com) where you can paste text and share it via a link
[10:26] <ElFuego> nitish for u
[10:27] <Wulf> UbuntuDude: here it says "Switch to workspace 1 - Super+Home"
[10:27] <nitish> de-facto: thanx
[10:27] <nitish> ElFuego: thanx
[10:27] <UbuntuDude> Wulf: here is a screenshot from keyboard settings https://snag.gy/q6uy7F
[10:28] <Wulf> UbuntuDude: can't load this
[10:28] <Wulf> UbuntuDude: can you upload elsewhere?
[10:29] <UbuntuDude> Wulf: here Super+Home = no effect
[10:29] <UbuntuDude> DISTRIB_CODENAME=wily
[10:30] <Wulf> UbuntuDude: the screen shot could be helpful
[10:31] <UbuntuDude> Wulf: http://imgur.com/LMQhln3
[10:31] <Wulf> UbuntuDude: well, use another key combo ;)
[10:32] <Wulf> perhaps this one just doesn't work
[10:33] <paky300> ciao
[10:33] <paky300> !list
[10:34] <phil42> the alternate install image has been released
[10:34] <phil42> the server install image has been released
[10:34] <dell> yo
[10:35] <JiangOil> where can download  alternate install image
[10:35] <dell> i dont know
[10:35] <dell> but
[10:35] <dell> i wanna sex
[10:36] <JiangOil> Checking for a new Ubuntu release
[10:36] <JiangOil> No new release found
[10:36] <ViaNocturna85> I can't see the new alternate installs
[10:36] <trijntje> !ops | dell
[10:36] <dell> help
[10:37] <dell> help me now
[10:37] <dell> who give me windows 7
[10:37] <dell> i hate ubuntu
[10:37] <phil42> cdimage.ubuntu.com
[10:38] <Mathisen> rm -rf dell
[10:38] <dezman> join #ubuntu+1
[10:38] <dell> have u windows
[10:38] <dell> ?
[10:39] <dell> ubuntu suck ass
[10:39] <ElFuego> dell: are you on windows atm?
[10:39] <UbuntuDude> Yes Wulf I've tried different combinations from Ctrl q to Ctrl r
[10:39] <UbuntuDude> and from Shift 1 to Shift 4
[10:39] <UbuntuDude> but they're not funcational again
[10:39] <sharma_> How long will it take to release 16.04 LTS?
[10:39] <Wulf> UbuntuDude: shift 1 like !!!!!!?
[10:40] <Wulf> sharma_: it's out already.
[10:40] <Wulf> UbuntuDude: how about ctrl-shift-1?
[10:40] <UbuntuDude> what shall I do to apply new hosts file rules without restart?
[10:40] <Wulf> UbuntuDude: or alt-shift-1
[10:40] <Myrtti> Wulf, sharma_ it's not, since the announcement isn't out. Please be patient, and follow-up on #ubuntu-release-party
[10:41] <UbuntuDude> Wulf: Ctrl Shift 1 to 4 is not working either
[10:41] <Mathisen> wow homepage must have alot of traffic now.. cant even reach it..
[10:41] <sharma_> Myrtti, Thanks I'm waiting...!
[10:41] <JiangOil> where can download 16.04
[10:41] <JiangOil> i waited all day
[10:42] <ViaNocturna85> JiangOil: Once it's available...from the website
[10:42] <rory> Ubuntu 16.04 isn't out yet, but when it is later today you can get it from ubuntu.com
[10:42] <UbuntuDude> Wulf: neither the alt shift #
[10:45] <gemclip> UbuntuDude: are you looking to remap the console keys? or just diffrent desktops?
[10:45] <Reptilia> When will 16.04 be released today?
[10:46] <auronandace|work> !party
[10:46] <LordMoore> Cant they put in the channel description that its not available yet. They are going to keep coming and asking
[10:46] <auronandace|work> !topic | LordMoore
[10:47] <Reptilia> Well, it is "natural" to come and ask
[10:47] <auronandace|work> but never to read...
[10:47] <LordMoore> auronandace|work: I wasn't talking about what the topic was, I mean, with everyone asking if Ubuntu is out, might be useful putting that its not out yet in the topic
[10:48] <auronandace|work> LordMoore: that is exactly what the topic says... read it
[10:48] <LordMoore> auronandace|work: Well, that makes look rather silly then doesn't it. My apologies
[10:48] <UbuntuDude> gemclip: trying to use keyboard combinations to switch between workspaces
[10:50] <gemclip> UbuntuDude: http://askubuntu.com/questions/171328/how-to-change-key-bindings-for-switching-workspaces-in-gnome3
[10:51] <Joaozitoo> when will be 16.04 be released?
[10:51] <ColormeBad> Hey everyone, i have this weird issue :(, I have a custom assigned mac address for my lxc container on the one host at 10.0.0.7 and my firewall at 10.0.0.1 has a static dhcp entry for it's mac address, but when I checked my arp-scan -l output this morning its showing duplicates on that 192.168.1.7 address with the exact same mac address for each DU
[10:51] <ColormeBad> P
[10:51] <lotuspsychje> !party > Joaozitoo
[10:51] <ColormeBad> I tried stopping the container and the address still responds, rechecked arp-scan thereafter and the mac address is still the same
[10:51] <ColormeBad> any help please
[10:51] <Joaozitoo> !xenial
[10:52] <ColormeBad> *sorry meant 10.0.0.7 on checking the arp-scan again
[10:52] <Kiwikaki> 16.04 is out
[10:52] <Myrtti> Joaozitoo: no set time, but usually afternoon UK time.
[10:52] <Myrtti> Kiwikaki: as the announcment isn't on the mailing list yet, it's not.
[10:52] <Joaozitoo> Myrttti Thanks :D
[10:53] <Kiwikaki> Myrtti: Scroll down: http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/
[10:53] <Myrtti> Kiwikaki: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/
[10:54] <a40ntistos> http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/ boom :)
[10:54] <Joaozitoo> that link does not work to me :(
[10:54] <ngalim> what is channel name for ubuntu programming or development
[10:54] <Myrtti> just hang on tight and wait
[10:55] <lotuspsychje> ngalim: #ubuntu-devel
[10:55] <ngalim> lotuspsychje, thank you
[10:55] <ikonia> ngalim: that channel is for the development of the ubuntu product, not for programming on ubuntu
[10:56] <ikonia> ngalim: what is it you're looking to do ? there maybe a better channel
[10:56] <ngalim> i'm trying to learning fixing bugs
[10:56] <ikonia> ngalim: what part are you not clear on ?
[10:56] <ngalim> where i should start?
[10:56] <ikonia> ngalim: have you found a bug on launchpad.net you think you can fix
[10:57] <ngalim> not yet, i am still learning programming in linux environment
[10:57] <ikonia> ngalim: ok - so that would be the first thing, finding something on launchpad.net you think you can fix with your current skill level
[10:58] <lotuspsychje> !contribute | ngalim
[10:59] <ngalim> lotuspsychje, i've visited the link before
[10:59] <zerons> okay,,,, 16.04 LTS released
[10:59] <reactormonk> Is it a good idea to automatically install security updates and how would I do so on a server?
[10:59] <ikonia> zerons: no it's not
[10:59] <ngalim> currently i am in progress translating ubuntu doc for Indonesian
[10:59] <ikonia> please do not spread false info
[11:00] <a40ntistos> ikonia: http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/ ?
[11:00] <ikonia> no
[11:00] <auronandace|work> ngalim: cool, keep up the good work
[11:01] <ngalim> auronandace|work, thank you
[11:01] <Myrtti> if you're wondering if it's been released: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/
[11:01] <BitBurners> Hey guys, is it the Apr 20th .ISO images their are about to release today?
[11:01] <pseudonymous> Is there a countdown or something like that for the 16.04 release  ?
[11:01] <Myrtti> yes, in #ubuntu-release-party, pseudonymous
[11:01] <Myrtti> (there's no set time, tho)
[11:02] <BitBurners> Moro @Myrtti
[11:02] <ngalim> but since number of open bugs in ubuntu about 120375, i think i could help fixing it
[11:02] <Myrtti> _o> BitBurners
[11:03] <trijntje> ngalim: there used to be a project that tracks easy to fix bugs, its called 100 papercuts project I think
[11:03] <ngalim> but the problem is, i am used to programming in windows environment not in linux
[11:03] <ikonia> ngalim: ok ? so start doing some tutorials/reading
[11:04] <BitBurners> I feel like installing already - can anyone confirm that the Apr 20th .ISOs are the one?
[11:04] <ikonia> BitBurners: no
[11:04] <ikonia> that is called "the release"
[11:04] <Myrtti> BitBurners: you can install today with whatever iso, it's easy to upgrade if there's changes
[11:04] <ikonia> as there has been no-announcement, no one can confirm
[11:04] <ngalim> ikonia, yes i am
[11:04] <ikonia> ngalim: thats great
[11:05] <BitBurners> @Myrtti - yeah I am aware. Usually the "gold" .ISOs have been known a day or two before.
[11:05] <Myrtti> BitBurners: obviously this channel will officially wait for the announcment email at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/ before saying yay or nay ;-)
[11:05] <ngalim> ikonia, but the material i am reading does not talk about fixing bugs
[11:05] <popey> BitBurners: not in this case
[11:06] <ikonia> ngalim: once you learn how to do the development, you'll know how to fix bugs
[11:07] <ngalim> ikonia, okay thanks for your advice. better i am read more tutorials now.
[11:07] <torpet> mom, is it out yet?
[11:07] <ikonia> no
[11:07] <torpet> what about now?
[11:07] <BitBurners> @popey: Well they must be/have been release testing one of the daily builds.
[11:07] <ikonia> torpet: don't be a problem
[11:07] <torpet> ikonia: no humour allowed in here?
[11:08] <ikonia> no
[11:08] <Myrtti> this is srs bsns
[11:12] <phil42> it's out torpet
[11:12] <torpet> yay
[11:12] <ikonia> it's not
[11:12] <phil42> which version u wont?
[11:13] <phil42> i will find it for you
[11:13] <ikonia> please do not give out links
[11:13] <ikonia> it is not released
[11:13] <Myrtti> if you're wondering if it's been released: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/
[11:13] <ikonia> ^ there you go
[11:14] <phil42> i can give you the lubuntu link if you want it
[11:14] <Myrtti> phil42: please don't.
[11:14] <ikonia> do not phil42
[11:14] <zerons> check released.ubuntu.com/16.04/
[11:14] <phil42> go to #lubuntu for lubuntu link
[11:14] <ikonia> phil42: NO
[11:14] <ikonia> phil42: what part of do not share it
[11:15] <Kapuh_> hello.  is ther a easy way to use cisco anyconnect on ubuntu ?
[11:16] <Choe_> hello
[11:17] <LordMoore> ikonia: Do you need to be an official Ubuntu member to be an -o here?
[11:17] <ikonia> no
[11:17] <sruli> Kapuh_: its needs many 32bit libs, on 12.04 it worked fine in 14.04 it was comlicated but poss, anything newer i couldnt get it to work, i found the anyconnect 64bit version wont work at all, just use 32bit
[11:18] <Shags> Hi all.
[11:18] <Shags> I was wondering how I can add my Windows install to the GRUB bootloader
[11:18] <Shags> I have tried using grub-update, but it doesn't seem to pick up my windows install
[11:18] <Shags> Any ideas?
[11:19] <Kapuh_> sruli, aah yer same problem here. i'll try the 32bit, thanks for the info
[11:19] <Gasher> hello, where can I get 16.04 ISO? the website still has 14.04 and 15.10, whilst the links on OMGUbuntu don't work
[11:19] <Shags> Gasher: http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/ubuntu/releases/16.04/
[11:19] <Gasher> thank you :)
[11:19] <Shags> Gasher: no problem :)
[11:20] <Gasher> well, those are beta2 ISOs
[11:20] <ramsRambo> the software update manager is stuck for while with "Preconfiguring packages" why is it stuck ?
[11:20] <Gasher> so yeah, it's not what I'm looking for
[11:20] <auronandace|work> !party | Gasher
[11:20] <Shags> Gasher: ah sorry
[11:21] <Gasher> it looks like the ubuntu channel is for nothing, there are 242134 channels for specific things
[11:22] <hateball> Gasher: You could read the topic
[11:23] <ramsRambo> the software update manager is stuck for while with "Preconfiguring packages" why is it stuck ? I am running 14.04 LTS
[11:25] <Shags> any help for me guys?
[11:25] <ikonia> !grub2 | Shags
[11:25] <ikonia> Shags: there should be some notes in there about adding windows/other os's to grub
[11:25] <DammitJim> I'm confused.... did the patch for samba badlock already get released?
[11:25] <Shags> ikonia: tried it all
[11:25] <DammitJim> I thought it was being tested
[11:25] <ikonia> Shags: tried what all ?
[11:25] <vooze> If doing a clean install of 16.04 from 14.04 with iso on USB and I want to keep UEFI, what should I do during install? I normally just mount /home (dont format) and format the / partition, but this time I have UEFI as well.
[11:26] <Shags> from those links, ikonia
[11:26] <ikonia> Shags: what have you done
[11:26] <Shags> update-grub
[11:26] <ikonia> Shags: before that ?
[11:26] <geirha1> DammitJim: You can see what the last changes to samba are with apt-get changelog samba
[11:26] <Shags> I guess I'll need to boot a live version and run boot-repair?
[11:26] <ikonia> no
[11:27] <ikonia> who said anything about that ?
[11:27] <Shags> the link
[11:27] <ikonia> really ? where
[11:27] <DammitJim> geirha1, thanks... would that tell me the CVE?
[11:27] <DammitJim> I'm checking
[11:27] <geirha1> CVE is usually included in the changelog, yes
[11:27] <Shags> actually that's if GRUB is missing I think
[11:27] <Shags> which it isn't
[11:28] <ikonia> vooze: clean install from 14.04 ?
[11:28] <ikonia> Shags: please READ the links
[11:28] <klystron_> hi have a question regarding the ubuntu Aquaris M10 Tablet
[11:28] <ikonia> rather than the headlines
[11:28] <Shags> ikonia: yes I have
[11:28] <ikonia> Shags: there are two or three other links off there that show you how to set this up
[11:28] <ikonia> Shags: really, what have you done other than "update-grub"
[11:28] <Shags> ikonia: such as the custommenus stuff?
[11:28] <ikonia> Shags: possible, and the prober
[11:28] <vooze> ikonia: yes, I figured it would be "easier" but I forgot about UEFI partition. When I set it up I used gparted to create a FAT32 on 100mb, and ubuntu did its thing.
[11:29] <ikonia> Shags: what hav eyou done other than "update-grub"
[11:29] <Shags> ikonia: I have tried the prober
[11:29] <Shags> ikonia: as in, os-prober?
[11:29] <ikonia> vooze: I'm not sure what you mean "from 14.04" a clean install is from nothing
[11:29] <Shags> I mounted the windows drive, then ran os-prober and update-grub
[11:29] <klystron_> the tablet comes with 15.10 will it upgradeable to 16.04 ?
[11:29] <Shags> and it still won't detect my windows partition
[11:29] <Shags> also note that windows and linux are on separate hard drives
[11:29] <ikonia> Shags: and did it detect it at all, or just not update the menu
[11:29] <ikonia> Shags: is your windows partition encypted
[11:29] <Shags> ikonia: not that I know of
[11:29] <Shags> it didn't detect it
[11:29] <Shags> at all
[11:29] <vooze> ikonia: fair enough. A clean install, but I want to keep UEFI partition and /home .. I know how to mount /home again, but I'm unsure about UEFI
[11:30] <ikonia> vooze: just don't format the efi partition
[11:30] <Shags> ikonia: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15963275/
[11:30] <ikonia> Shags: what happens if you add a manual entry and try to boot it
[11:30] <Shags> I'm not sure how to add the manual entry, I think it's the solution but could you help me?
[11:30] <ikonia> Shags: it's listed in the custom menu option
[11:30] <vooze> ikonia: okay, and Ubuntu will just reuse it?
[11:31] <ikonia> vooze: yes, it will just add the new boot location info
[11:31] <vooze> ikonia: awesome, thank you :)
[11:31] <Shags> ikonia: how do I find which partition and drive the Windows install is?
[11:32] <Shags> e.g. (hdX, Y)
[11:32] <klystron_> look for the ntfs partion
[11:33] <Shags> klystron_: how?
[11:33] <pavelz> hi I am trying to figure out how 'apt-mark hold' works but I can't figure out what files it is writing to
[11:33] <klystron_> gparted
[11:33] <Shags> thanks
[11:33] <ap0> Shags, lsblk
[11:34] <Shags> ap0, but how do I find it in the form (hdX, Y)?
[11:35] <bazhang> shags the link given above outlines that very thing
[11:35] <bazhang> shags it is no longer noted as such
[11:35] <Shags> bazhang: what do you mean?
[11:36] <bazhang> Shags, the (hdx,etc is no longer used
[11:36] <Shags> oh really?
[11:36] <Shags> the menuentry uses it though
[11:36] <bazhang> Shags, please have a very careful read of the link given earlier, it is very thorough
[11:36] <wyre> where can I download ubuntu 16.04?
[11:36] <rollingWolf> Was kinda expecting 16.04 to be released by now
[11:36] <Shags> I am bazhang
[11:36] <bazhang> wyre not available yet
[11:37] <Shags> bazhang: and it says to add a custom menu entry for windows 7 we need the (hdX, Y) stuff
[11:37] <bazhang> !party | wyre
[11:37] <brainwash> pavelz: man apt-mark
[11:38] <Linuxero> Hello
[11:38] <wyoung> hi Linuxero !
[11:38] <wyre> bazhang, but will be released today?
[11:39] <Shags> bazhang: any ideas?
[11:39] <wyoung> wyre: Join the party channel!
[11:39] <Shags> bazhang: I've read the article
[11:39] <Shags> bazhang: and it seems the fix is to add a custom menu entry, but to do so I need to know the HD number and the partition
[11:39] <Shags> ?
[11:39] <DammitJim> geirha1, what's confusing is that when the threat came out, it was said to be in ubuntu testing
[11:39] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:39] <DammitJim> but the date of the package is from around that time
[11:40] <DammitJim> can anyone else here confirm that about the samba badlock issue?
[11:40] <Linuxero> At what time is Ubuntu 16.04 going to be released?
[11:40] <bazhang> Shags, really, it is very clearly laid out in the link, if you have further questions please ask the channel every 10-15 minutes and not ask a single individual
[11:40] <wyoung> Linuxero: soon
[11:41] <th34lch3m1st> hi
[11:41] <Shags> i'm asking a further question bazhang, I have read the link and it is not clearly laid out at all. I need to get the hard drive number and partition number and that is not laid out at all in the link.
[11:41] <Linuxero> I checked a web countdown yesterday when there were 4 hours remaining...
[11:41] <somsip> Linuxero: today. it's often in the pm PST
[11:41] <Linuxero> Ok, thank you very much.
[11:41] <Linuxero> :)
[11:41] <pavelz> brainwash: yeah but extended_states does not reflect packages that I've put on hild
[11:41] <pavelz> hold
[11:43] <brainwash> pavelz: according to the manual, it should
[11:43] <pavelz> well it does not :)
[11:43] <pavelz> brainwash:
[11:44] <brainwash> maybe strace it then
[11:44] <brainwash> and see which file(s) it touches
[11:45] <JiangOil> http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/
[11:45] <Choe_> 16.04 Official version released?
[11:46] <brainwash> pavelz: maybe /var/lib/dpkg/status
[11:48] <DiamondSword> new version is released: 16.04
[11:48] <DiamondSword> https://twitter.com/ubuntu/status/723112408437284864
[11:48] <DammitJim> woohoo
[11:48] <DammitJim> fresh off the oven
[11:50] <sruli> thanks
[11:50] <sruli> where can i download lubuntu and gnome-ubuntu?
[11:51] <geirha> They're a bit later to the party
[11:51] <LordMoore> sruli: Gnome: https://ubuntugnome.org/download/ and Lubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu
[11:52] <somsip> !isitout
[11:52] <ap0> actually it is
[11:52] <geirha> Yeah, 16.10 isn't out yet. Have some patience
[11:52] <sruli> LordMoore: those are still showing 15.10
[11:52] <LordMoore> sruli: 16.04 isn't out yet for those
[11:53] <sruli> LordMoore: are they also expected today?
[11:55] <ap0> sruli, here are torrent links http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/xenial/release/desktop/
[11:56] <LordMoore> sruli: Here is 16.04 for Gnome, http://torrent.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/releases/xenial/release/desktop/
[11:56] <melvster> hi all ... im trying to upgrade desktop to 16.04 ( http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/ ) it's there but my update-manager says software is up to date.  Can I force it?
[11:57] <geirha> It probably waits until 16.04.1 before offering to upgrade
[11:57] <bazhang> melvster, what does lsb_release -a   say
[11:57] <melvster> bazhang: im on 15.10
[11:59] <melvster> geirha: thanks!  do you know when 16.04.1 might come out?  Or is there I way I can do it manually?
[12:02] <JuJuBee> melvster: http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/
[12:03] <volker> installed ubuntu 16.04lts via Internet-problem-how can i use kernel 4.xxx --cannot find kernel in bootoptions? somethings forgot to do?
[12:03] <geirha> melvster: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes#Upgrading_from_Ubuntu_14.04_LTS_or_15.10
[12:03] <JuJuBee> melvster: nm, didn't see the earlier post
[12:03] <l0ll1p0p> emcq: sup?
[12:04] <UbuntuDude> gemclip: thanks but it didn't solve the problem .. still not able to use the keyboard shortcuts
[12:05] <melvster> geirha: I tried all those steps but it doesnt prompt me to upgrade ... hmmm
[12:06] <badro> hi
[12:07] <badro> hi
[12:07] <badro> y'a personne ?
[12:07] <badro> y'a du monde mais persone parle
[12:07] <Wulf> !fr badro
[12:08] <geirha> ah well, update-manager -d will probably show it then. I'm not currently on an ubuntu system to test
[12:08] <Wulf> !fr | badro
[12:08] <soupnanodesukar> http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/ubuntu-16.04-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[12:08] <soupnanodesukar> :^)
[12:09] <melvster> geirha: thanks!  update manager -d still give 'The software on this computer is up to date' -- curious
[12:12] <melvster> maybe sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:13] <melvster> nope
[12:14] <Annoyed> Hello... I understand there was an update for Samba this week, to fix badlock bug... It seems to have made any shares unwriteble. Windows clients can see, open files, but can't write to them, or the directories.. anyone know anything about this?
[12:14] <efpeoi> Hi everybody ! Is someone having problems with the samba update from 4.1.6 to 4.3.8 on Ubuntu 14.04 ? I can't mount remote shares automatically like i used to do with pam_mount_conf.xml, can someone help me ? :) Thanks in advance !
[12:15] <Annoyed> efpeoi: sounds related to my question
[12:15] <efpeoi> Annoyed, totally and i'm totally stuck with no answers and 60+ computers not working atm :D
[12:16] <soupnanodesukar> Annoyed: probably the quickest way to solve it is to compile a local copy yourself, (this is easier than it sounds,) or find the old packages and install them.
[12:17] <soupnanodesukar> esp. in a production environment. For regular users I'd recommend using the old packages.
[12:17] <survietamine> hello all, on an 12.04 server, I'd like to update /etc/resolv.conf but it's "controlled" by resolvconf ; I tried resolvconf -u which generated a new file but with old config not the new ones in /etc/network/interfaces. Can I "force" resolvconf to update infos without restarting networking services (the server is in production)
[12:17] <Annoyed> Any idea if a patch is forthcoming? I can live without it for a few days.. I don't have time to redo manually
[12:18] <brainwash> Annoyed: does a bug report exist on launchpad?
[12:19] <efpeoi> soupnanodesukar_, i've tried to rollback to the old packages without success, too much dependencies and i'm not that okay with compiling it myseld on 60 computers /
[12:19] <efpeoi> :/
[12:19] <Annoyed> survietamine: I had the same thing when I set this box up; there is a way to stop the automatics, but I forget the details.
[12:19] <Lewix> hey guys
[12:19] <Lewix> I need some help asap. My ubuntu machine his down
[12:19] <Wulf> Lewix: reboot it
[12:19] <Lewix> ACPI PCC Probe Failed
[12:19] <soupnanodesukar_> efpeoi: 60 computers? ouch
[12:20] <Lewix> so it idles after that
[12:20] <Wulf> Lewix: disable acpi on kernel command line
[12:20] <Lewix> what's acpi and how do i disable it, i have access to root via F1
[12:20] <melvster> oh it just came in
[12:20] <melvster> upgrading, thanks! :)
[12:20] <efpeoi> soupnanodesukar_, yeah automatic updates with puppet and you come one morning with nothing working anymore :D
[12:21] <Lewix> Wulf: ?
[12:22] <skinux> So, Ubuntu 16.04 is finally released. I believe do-release-upgrade is the right command? Also, how many times will Ubuntu have to reboot to install upgrade?
[12:23] <soupnanodesukar_> efpeoi: anyway, there's no guarantee that compiling from master may not fix the issue if it's new behaviour. Though usually if it's a showstopping bug, it's fixed within a day or so because it means devs can't run their own program. So I'm surprised that the devs don't know about it. Maybe drop a line on #samba?
[12:24] <efpeoi> soupnanodesukar_, Yeah me too i'm surprised but the bug have already been signaled and i've just asked some help on #samba ;)
[12:24] <efpeoi> but still.. without success !
[12:24] <dezman> join /#ubuntu-release-party
[12:24] <brainwash> Annoyed: bug 1572122
[12:24] <brainwash> Annoyed: bug 1572301
[12:26] <skinux> How can i find out if my system uses Radeon graphics?
[12:26] <UbuntuDude> how to make Esc button function the same in Ubuntu as in Windows where it closes the window/dialog on top?
[12:26] <Wulf> skinux: lspci
[12:27] <efpeoi> i'd say "lspci | grep VGA" skinux
[12:27] <capio> hey. i have a hp pav x2 that has a intel atom processor it runs windows 10 32 bits. Does it run ubuntu?
[12:27] <skinux> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller (rev 09)
[12:27] <efpeoi> skinux, intel graphics ;)
[12:27] <Annoyed> Thanks for info, folks... I guess I'll wait for a patch. Going backwards to earlier versions is usually a big headache
[12:28] <efpeoi> Annoyed, i've tried the rollback since 8hours without success, i confirm for the headache :D
[12:28] <Annoyed> I can't afford to put that kind of time into it
[12:29] <de-facto> hmm trying to write the cd image to an usb stick from within a virtual machine, but i just get "could not write disk image (...) to the device (/dev/sda).... well WHY?
[12:29] <de-facto> that is with Startup Disk Creator
[12:29] <skinux> So, I'm guessing I don't have Radeon
[12:29] <cebor> ughs 16.04 still has this annoying grup warning: Warning: Setting GRUB_TIMEOUT to a non-zero value when GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT is set is no longer supported. :(
[12:29] <pseudonymous> Does anyone know exactly which time 16.04 will be out ? I'm asking because I'll need to download it in advance of visiting some people in need of an upgrade
[12:30] <cebor> grub
[12:30] <efpeoi> de-facto, you sould learn how to use the "dd" command to write an image to a disk
[12:30] <Annoyed> thanks
[12:30] <soupnanodesukar_> Annoyed: In the meantime, perhaps just run an unauthenticated share.
[12:31] <de-facto> efpeoi yeah i know about that, but it seems to be kinda unreliable
[12:31] <zaki> can i duelboot ubuntu and backtrack?
[12:31] <soupnanodesukar_> cebor: comment out GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT
[12:32] <efpeoi> de-facto, you unmount your device, prepare it with fdisk then dd if=myfile.iso off=/dev/sdX where X is the letter assigned to you drive
[12:32] <efpeoi> de-facto, this is totally reliable
[12:32] <unique_> hi
[12:34] <de-facto> efpeoi hmmm what about the bootloader then?
[12:38] <efpeoi> de-facto, i've always burned my iso files like that and never had a problem with the bootloader
[12:38] <guest_> Hi, I would like to ask if Ubuntu 16.04 allows to install MIR and it works for basic usage, movies, and maybe some 3d games with nvidia cards
[12:39] <pseudonymous> guest_: no - Mir has no industry support yet (Nvidia/AMD) so games are out of the question unless the open source drivers would work
[12:40] <guest_> pseydonyous. So if nouveau works with X for a game, should it work with MIR too?
[12:40] <akik> efpeoi: using fdisk before dd is unnecessary
[12:41] <de-facto> efpeoi i mean if i formated with fdisk  i would need to dd it to /dev/sda1 (which does not install the bootloader in front of the partition table) or if i dd to /dev/sda i would not need to fdisk it before
[12:41] <survietamine> ok, the echo "..." | sudo resolconf -a bond0.inet found on this page http://askubuntu.com/questions/224966/how-do-i-get-resolvconf-to-regenerate-resolv-conf-after-i-change-etc-network-in did the job :p
[12:41] <survietamine> thanks anyway
[12:41] <guest_> pseudonymous. So if nouveau works with X for a game, should it work with MIR too?
[12:41] <pseudonymous> guest_: I wouldn't know. I don't use Mir nor have any particular interest in it yet, sorry :S
[12:42] <brainwash> !mir
[12:42] <pseudonymous> guest_: What I would say is this: Mir (and Wayland, for that matter) are a ways off from prime-time. I wouldn't really recommend using either unless you're somehow getting off on pain :P
[12:43] <guest_> pseudonymous ok :)  I will stick to X then. I though there would be 2 install options for 16.04 (X or MIR)
[12:43] <efpeoi> de-facto, yeah you are right, i'm doing this for USB sticks to put live sytems on them so i don't really need to put the bootloader at a specific place
[12:44] <guest_> pseudonymous thank you!
[12:44] <brainwash> guest_: you could test it by installing unity8 (ideally in a test environment).
[12:44] <guest_> brainwash could it break the installation, or only freeze the computer?
[12:44] <pseudonymous> guest_: no problem :)
[12:45] <mave_> when will 16.04 be released on the repositories?
[12:45] <brainwash> guest_: both things could happen
[12:45] <guest_> brainwash then I stick with good old X :)
[12:45] <pseudonymous> So - is everyone here just installing the 16.04 beta or has the iso been released ?
[12:45] <mave_> do-release-upgrade gives 'No new release found"
[12:45] <akik> de-facto: you set the of= of the dd command to the device name of the usb stick. you dont't need to partition your usb stick beforehand
[12:45] <guest_> brainwash thank you!
[12:45] <tyl> hi
[12:46] <tyl> anyone got an eta for 16.04lts?
[12:46] <Wulf> tyl: 9 hours
[12:46] <tyl> cheers pal
[12:47] <zaki> its out..
[12:47] <mave_> not here
[12:47] <xenialphile> There is an ISO at http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/
[12:47] <mave_> i want to upgrade, no clean install
[12:48] <zaki> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/04/ubuntu-16-04-download-new-features
[12:48] <pseudonymous> Would anyone know what exactly the difference is between 16.04 + mate desktop versus the mate spin/flavour/<whatever term>
[12:48] <zaki>  https://twitter.com/ubuntu/status/723112408437284864
[12:48] <tyl> thx@zaki
[12:49] <pseudonymous> xenialphile: thanks for the link, by the way :)
[12:49] <mave_> well zaki, how do you explain this?
[12:49] <mave_> # do-release-upgrade
[12:49] <tyl> thx@zenialphile
[12:49] <mave_> Checking for a new Ubuntu release
[12:49] <mave_> No new release found
[12:49] <pseudonymous> mave_: it's generally bad IRC etiquette to spam (writing many messages in a short interval)
[12:49] <xenialphile> mave: update-manager -d
[12:50] <mave_> pseudonymous, i'm not going to pastebin 3 lines
[12:50] <kilbith> hello, is there a reason why ubuntu still uses compiz (no longer maintained) instead of mutter ?
[12:50] <zaki> its from official ubuntu twitter page
[12:50] <VoidWhisperer> oo, 16.04 has google drive integration
[12:50] <mave_> xenialphile, that updates to a development release right?
[12:51] <dromader> viva xubuntu
[12:51] <mave_> and i'm running the server version
[12:51] <pseudonymous> mave_: then rephrase in such a way that you don't write some 5 msgs out into separate lines.
[12:52] <xenialphile> mave_: It works for upgrading rolling 15.10 desktop to 16.04, if you have the appropraite software sources enabled. That's all I can tell you. Just try it in VM if you need to test.
[12:52] <dromader> someone here have tested ubuntu 16.04 ?
[12:52] <dromader> what's new ?
[12:52] <kucengaer> i had it since the beta releases
[12:53] <mave_> i'm not running desktop version xenialphile, it opens the GUI updater as i can see
[12:53] <mave_> but thx, i will look further
[12:54] <frameset> I'm running Ubuntu server in the UK, and i'm getting "no new version available" from do-release-upgrade, is it not available in the UK yet?
[12:54] <kostas_> g
[12:54] <DJones> frameset: Its not been released yet
[12:54] <frameset> ah! hacker news lied to me :(
[12:54] <kucengaer> frameser: i think there is the force option
[12:54] <kostas_> hallo
[12:54] <pseudonymous> dromader: fair amount of things. The Linux Action Show has a review of it, and a follow-up review/discussion in their sister show Linux unplugged
[12:55] <kostas_> hehehe
[12:55] <xenialphile> mave_: I am not going to tell you what to do, but you might not want to upgrade a server until you're sure the thing works properly.
[12:55] <dromader> oh thanls pseudonymous
[12:55] <kostas_> he\
[12:55] <kostas_> he
[12:55] <frameset> it's not super urgent for me to upgrade, so I'll wait till it hits the normal channels
[12:55] <kostas_> he
[12:55] <kostas_> he
[12:55] <kostas_> he
[12:55] <edwinksl> http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/
[12:56] <mave_> hehe good point xenialphile, but i already made an image. So if anything goes wrong i can restore it
[12:57] <xenialphile> mave_: The worst problems are when it *mostly* works but 1 thing is slightly different and no-one notices for 3 months until you find out some database has incorrect values :-)
[12:59] <coolomatics> edwinksl, thanks. joining the torrent
[13:01] <tonyt> is the 16.04 final now?
[13:01] <luefterluefter> hi, one of my (two?) fans make strong noise for hours, sometimes, how can I look up -who is it, -its settings, -put it of in the end? Ubuntu 14.04. Tia
[13:01] <maxiprof> ask
[13:02] <cgt> tonyt: see topic
[13:02] <tonyt> k
[13:02] <luefterluefter> used  fancontrol
[13:03] <tonyt> ok not released yet but its listed on http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/. so those are still the betas then?
[13:03] <codepython777> sudo problem: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15964903/ - can anyone let me know what I am doing wrong?
[13:05] <ikonia> codepython777: cat /etc/passwd into a pastebin please
[13:06] <codepython777> ikonia: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15964948/
[13:07] <codepython777> ikonia: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15964995/
[13:08] <cryptomonk> greetings
[13:08] <cryptomonk> where cna I download 16.04 LTS?
[13:08] <ikonia> codepython777: sudo -u car /bin/bash
[13:08] <ikonia> cryptomonk: it's not out yet
[13:08] <cryptomonk> it's the 21st
[13:09] <ikonia> cryptomonk: when you see the release announement it will be on the main page on ubuntu.com
[13:09] <cryptomonk> ug, been waiting on some server builds till it came out
[13:09] <ikonia> cryptomonk: different timezones around the world
[13:09] <cryptomonk> where do you find the releae announcement?
[13:09] <ikonia> cryptomonk: it will come out at some point today
[13:09] <Myrtti> if you're wondering if it's been released: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/
[13:09] <ikonia> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/
[13:09] <nearffxx> hi guys
[13:09] <cryptomonk> yeah most of the world is midday/evening hell even tomorrow in some places
[13:09] <Pici> cryptomonk: Last ETA I saw said it would be an hour. note: this is subject to change.
[13:09] <ikonia> Myrtti: beat me, I was searching for her post
[13:09] <nearffxx> just wondering when ubuntu will be released
[13:09] <cryptomonk> ikonia: tyvm :)
[13:10] <Myrtti> nearffxx: "Third Thursday of April/October, afternoon UK time"
[13:10] <Myrtti> (usually)
[13:10] <cryptomonk> ah UK time
[13:10] <nearffxx> so today afternoon?
[13:10] <codepython777> ikonia: Thanks! I think you caught it! http://paste.ubuntu.com/15965049/
[13:10] <nearffxx> which mean now?
[13:10] <Myrtti> yup. no set time
[13:10] <cryptomonk> well it's 2pm UK time right now
[13:10] <Myrtti> cryptomonk: so any minute now, then!
[13:10] <ikonia> cryptomonk: all about working it through, well done
[13:11] <ikonia> oops
[13:11] <cryptomonk> glad to see Im not the only one axious lol
[13:11] <Poster> From what I have found it should be about 4PM UK time or roughly 1 hour and 50 minutes
[13:11] <ikonia> codepython777: all about working it through, well done
[13:11] <codepython777> ikonia: oh, we missed -H
[13:11] <cryptomonk> curious how lolng till digitalocean and others have VM's ready to spin  up ^_^
[13:11] <delucia> using juju, and dns-names in juju status have ipv6 addresses. Any way to force it to use ipv4?
[13:11] <ikonia> cryptomonk: ask them
[13:11] <billydaz> hi I need to see the mount partition of an external drive on a server
[13:11] <Phreya> Sup? is 16.04 out yet? or it will be next day?
[13:11] <ikonia> codepython777: I never use -H
[13:11] <cryptomonk> -H?
[13:11] <billydaz> from dmesg I can see the drives
[13:12] <Myrtti> Phreya: today UK time, most likely, but no set time. And no, it's not out yet
[13:12] <nearffxx> is there any countdown?
[13:12] <Myrtti> no
[13:12] <billydaz> but I cant see what sd it is assigned
[13:12] <nearffxx> or building status?
[13:12] <cryptomonk> 9am here I just added 5 hours
[13:12] <Phreya> Okays, thanks
[13:12] <nearffxx> when deos the cronjob start building?
[13:12] <cryptomonk> since I know this is -5 GMT
[13:12] <folf> it will be announced here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2016-April/thread.html when it's ready
[13:12] <cryptomonk> er -5 UTC
[13:12] <nearffxx> 404 not found
[13:12] <folf> nearffxx: exactly, it's not out yet
[13:13] <cryptomonk> btw anyone curios of the Ubuntu for Windows?
[13:13] <cryptomonk> I have no desire to use 10, really wish they would do it for 7 as well
[13:13] <cryptomonk> but it seems VERY promising
[13:13] <usbPort> cryptomonk: its a good idea if hyoure stuck in a office that you cant install linux
[13:13] <cryptomonk> Im thinking code portability.   Not a big fan of cygwin
[13:13] <Phreya> http://releases.ubuntu.com/xenial/
[13:14] <Phreya> I think it's the release, no?
[13:14] <nearffxx> is there any difference between the daily build and the final one?
[13:14] <Phreya> doesn't seem to be beta\rc
[13:14] <ikonia> Phreya: no
[13:14] <usbPort> cryptomonk: yeah if im on windows git bash does a good enough job
[13:14] <codepython7771> ikonia: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15965075/
[13:14] <teward> Phreya: there will be an official announcement
[13:14] <ikonia> Phreya: it will be announced when it's released
[13:14] <teward> DO NOT rely on the status of any of the image mirrors
[13:14] <Pici> Phreya: it might be, it might not be.   Things are still being finalized, and these are subject to change without notice.
[13:14] <ikonia> codepython7771: yeah, I don't use -H
[13:14] <cryptomonk> usbPort: that's what I use now too but say you need to install other libraries.  It would be nice to have a package manager likt apt
[13:15] <usbPort> cryptomonk: yeah totally
[13:15] <cryptomonk> http://releases.ubuntu.com/xenial/ubuntu-16.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[13:15] <codepython7771> ikonia: i can execute the shell script, but it gives me file not found - for a "source /xyz.sh" - when i know that file exists
[13:15] <usbPort> cryptomonk: ill give it a chance the next time im forced to use window, lucky enough my office lets me have linux as my main boot
[13:15] <nearffxx> what's the difference between xenial-desktop-amd64.iso  and the final image?
[13:15] <ikonia> codepython7771: look at the error - it can't execute bash
[13:15] <nearffxx> can I install this?
[13:15] <ikonia> codepython7771: so in essense it can't login
[13:16] <cryptomonk> man that server is slow... Im guessing they are waiting as the image gets propogated out to the mirrors
[13:16] <cryptomonk> only getting 90-100k from their main site
[13:16] <codepython7771> ikonia: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15965124/ look at lines > 28
[13:16] <codepython7771> ikonia: seems like it did execute the script
[13:16] <contumax>  hi, any experience with Cannot make directory '/var/run/screen': Permission denied when trying to run screen, ubuntu 14.04?
[13:16] <Myrtti> nearffxx: we don't know, so we're not telling it's the final image.
[13:17] <codepython7771> ikonia: " : No such file or directoryne 3:" - this is a wierd error though
[13:17] <cryptomonk> contumax: means you are trying to use screen in a username that you didnt originally login as.  Like if you logged in as contumax then did a su foobar.  Then foobar can't start screen because the tty is tied to contumax
[13:17] <nearffxx> If I install it, can I upgrade it without pain?
[13:18] <Queops> nearffxx: wait until you can confirm the ISO's hash before installing...
[13:18] <Queops> TLDR: the announcement will tell you :)
[13:18] <cryptomonk> at this rate might as well download it.  If it's correct then you beat the crowd. Gonna take 4hours to download anyway
[13:19] <Queops> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2016-April/thread.html I'm refreshing this page :-)
[13:19] <Pici> OR: wait until the announcement and grab the torrents and not wait 4 hours to download
[13:19] <Pici> or any of the other mirrors
[13:19] <nearffxx> why 4 hours?
[13:19] <nearffxx> I already downloaded it yesterday
[13:19] <contumax> cryptomonk, that's interesting,  furthermore this issue started with another one at same time, there is no tty after boot, just black screen, but I'm able to ssh to the server
[13:19] <cryptomonk> Im only getting 50-90k off the server
[13:19] <Pici> !party
[13:20] <acebook> i have created a /etc/init/oyun.conf but i cant start it?
[13:21] <Phreya> yes, those ISOs I posted seem to tbe the right ISOs
[13:21] <Phreya> the final ones
[13:21] <Phreya> have fun everyone :d
[13:21] <codepython7771> ikonia: any ideas?
[13:22] <acebook> Phreya: i can't start my /etc/init/oyun.conf service why?
[13:24] <cryptomonk> http://i.imgur.com/e0EJU4s.gifv
[13:24] <gerti> any one  can thell me  how to hack facebook
[13:24] <Myrtti> no
[13:24] <daz_> Hi all. Does anyone have an Ubuntu Phone if so do you know if it would work with the telephone network frequency in Australia
[13:24] <gerti> why
[13:25] <gerti> how  to install wordpress ?>
[13:25] <soupnanodesukar_> daz_: If it works in Europe, it works in Australia. Australia uses GSM.
[13:25] <BluesKaj> gerti, what makes you think illegal activities are supported here?
[13:26] <maddawg1>  daz_ it's GSM
[13:26] <contumax> cryptomonk, so the screen issue occurs in a ssh session
[13:26] <maddawg1> does Austrailia use GSM?
[13:26] <gerti> nothig  just  ask
[13:26] <gerti> couse  some  hacked  my fb
[13:26] <pinnen> !isitoutyet
[13:28] <daz_> Yes Australia uses GSM
[13:28] <invisiblek> anyone successfully upgraded from 14.04->16.04 via do-release-upgrade?
[13:29] <invisiblek> says there's no new version to me =(
[13:29] <teward> invisiblek: it's not released yet
[13:29] <\9> invisiblek: because there is no new version yet
[13:29] <invisiblek> hmm
[13:29] <teward> invisiblek: there is no new version until it's released, track this in #ubuntu+1 and #ubuntu-release-party
[13:29] <teward> !party | invisiblek
[13:29] <Pici> Also the 14.04 -> 16.04 upgrade path does not normally open up until 16.04.1 is released.
[13:29] <usbPort> damn, i would have had him send me some money to my paypal
[13:30] <invisiblek> guess that would explain it, ubuntu tweeted a couple hours ago that "we're live" or something
[13:30] <knob> Pici, that was what I was going to ask.
[13:30] <invisiblek> but now the tweet doesn't exist..w/e
[13:30] <Hollusionist> gedit is not responding. i had a new unsaved file open. where can i find the temp file to access its text before closing/killing gedit?
[13:30] <Pici> knob: I still need to look at the release notes myself to determine if that is still the case though.
[13:30] <knob> Are there any... expected dates for .1 release?
[13:30] <xenialphile> Wow, no release party in London, the home of Canonical. :-(
[13:30] <knob> ah ok ok
[13:31] <usbPort> !party
[13:31] <usbPort> !xenial
[13:32] <Myrtti> knob: 14.04.1 was released in late July 2014
[13:33] <Pici> Myrtti: thanks
[13:34] <m33x0> HI§
[13:40] <sts> hello folks. anyone knows how 16.04 installs zfs? does it use the zfs-linux package? Can anyone point me to the package source?
[13:40] <nitin__> hi
[13:43] <nitin__> hi tis is nitin
[13:43] <skinux> How come everything about GUI Programming for Unity is all about game programming?
[13:44] <daniel_> hello!
[13:45] <CRP> Anyone know where I can report misspellings?
[13:45] <Pici> CRP: in what?
[13:45] <CRP> English
[13:45] <CRP> its in the ubuntu installer
[13:46] <CRP> All I can find is places for misspellings in other languages.
[13:46] <popey> CRP: what mis-spelling?
[13:47] <CRP> In a failed install window they put "cehcking" instead of checking
[13:47] <popey> hm, that's not the installer itself. can you get a screenshot?
[13:48] <CRP> Uhm well i took a picture with my phone, how would u like me to give it to you?
[13:48] <popey> or it might be the installer but already fixed
[13:48] <popey> imgur.com will be okay
[13:48] <CRP> okay give me a min
[13:48] <popey> ok
[13:49] <CRP> http://imgur.com/Eou0sdR <-- link
[13:49] <CRP> It is on the second to last line of it.
[13:51] <popey> CRP: thanks
[13:51] <TJ-> that's in appport: data/package-hooks/source_ubiquity.py:76:
[13:51] <CRP> Will u report it?
[13:51] <TJ-> "Measures you might take include cehcking cable connections"
[13:51] <CRP> ^ yea xD
[13:52] <TJ-> I'll give you the honour of reporting it, eagle-eyes :)
[13:52] <CRP> lol idk how to so if you guys can for me that would be great
[13:52] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport is where it goes
[13:52] <TJ-> CRP :)
[13:52] <CRP> oh okay thanks
[13:52] <popey> I think  :)
[13:52] <popey> it's not a piece of text from the installer, but apport-bug doing analysis of the install
[13:53] <TJ-> popey: yes
[13:53] <vooze> I see some websites saying its released, but iso is only april 20th. It should be 21 to be released right?
[13:53] <Pici> vooze: the official release announcement has not gone out yet. I suggest waiting for that.
[13:54] <vooze> Pici: I see, but is it normal that the iso from one day before becomes the "stable" ?
[13:54] <popey> vooze: sometimes it's from a week before
[13:54] <wims> whats this snappy thingie? is it going to replace apt?
[13:54] <popey> wims: no
[13:54] <Baurin> how could one put the Unity bar on the button side of screen?
[13:57] <House> im having some grief getting sssd+AD to autmount smb shares with autofs, does anyone have experience with this combo?
[13:58] <maxiprof> hello
[13:59] <wims> am i correct in thinking that snappy is basically a package system where the developer / upstream / package publisher decides when packages gets updated rather than the normal package repository admins?
[13:59] <nearffxx> is http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/ubuntu-16.04-server-amd64.iso the final version?
[14:00] <destinydriven> hey guys, I just tried to update from 15.10 to 16.04 and I'm getting this error Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/account-plugins/account-plugin-flickr_0.12+16.04.20160126-0ubuntu1_all.deb Size mismatch
[14:00] <wims> also, does anybody know when ubuntu subsystem for windows will update to 16.04?
[14:00] <Myrtti> nearffxx: until the release announcement is out, the reply will be "no"
[14:01] <destinydriven> How do I resolve this?
[14:01] <ooxi> @destinydriven try archive.ubuntu.com instead of us.archive.ubuntu.com
[14:01] <usbPort> does anyone know why spotify locks up my mouse input on 15
[14:02] <destinydriven> ooxi, in software and updates right?
[14:02] <srg2> I'm trying to schedule a notify-send from my user's crontab. This doesn't work: *       *   *   *   *   export DISPLAY=:0 /usr/bin/notify-send -t 20000 Test Hello
[14:02] <srg2> Anyone know how I can get it to work?
[14:02] <trevor_s> anyone know of an ubuntu privacy remix type project for 14.04? and with networking. i have a rare request for this.
[14:02] <trevor_s> not sure i can even make it happen
[14:03] <trevor_s> as far as i know privacy remix completely removes networking
[14:03] <ooxi> @destinydriven /etc/apt/sources.list and probably /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
[14:03] <pngl> Looking for help on configuring SMB over OpenVPN. I have OpenVPN setup, but connection to the SMB share fails.
[14:03] <pngl> I haven't changed smb.conf yet. I have no hosts or interfaces lines in smb.conf
[14:03] <pngl> The VPN/SMB server is a linux machine, the client is Windows 7.
[14:04] <xenialphile> trevor_s: Do you mean "stopping others examining your machine?" or do you mean "Not sending data to advertisers?"
[14:04] <sruli> Myrtti: with regards to your last message, are you saying what i downloaded from the links posted here is not the official release?
[14:04] <destinydriven> ooxi, thanks
[14:04] <Myrtti> sruli: we don't know for sure until the announcement says they are
[14:04] <sruli> i understand
[14:04] <Myrtti> sruli: so to err on the safe side, the answer is 'no'
[14:04] <xenialphile> sruli: Even if it isn't, it will update when the repos go live, so whatever...
[14:04] <TJ-> pngl: if you're using openvpn routing you'll need to do some proxying of DNS and possibly netbios as well as ensuring all the routes are correct and reciprocal
[14:05] <Mahjongg> hi, ERROR: Module http2 does not exist!
[14:05] <Mahjongg> apt-cache search http2 returns null
[14:05] <Mahjongg> there's supposed to be an apache module I guess
[14:05] <Mahjongg> 14.04
[14:05] <trevor_s> xenialphile, both if possible.
[14:06] <TJ-> Mahjongg: http2 in apache is experimental, and is not built-shipped with Ubuntu packages
[14:06] <trevor_s> xenialphile, just looking for a very 'secure' ubuntu version. but smb needs to work.
[14:06] <teward> pngl: Samba/LDAP backend with Windows 7 clients would likely be affected by https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/1572122
[14:06] <xenialphile> trevor_s: The answer to the first is to use full disk encrpytion. The other, that's currently an unsolved problem with the web. I am not sure how to solve that one.
[14:06] <trevor_s> xenialphile, client is demanding privacy remix and i'm not even sure thats possible
[14:06] <Mahjongg> TJ-, thank you, same for 16.04?
[14:06] <teward> trevor_s: 'privacy' is relative
[14:07] <teward> trevor_s: your definition, my definition, and the client's definition of privacy may all differ
[14:07] <trevor_s> ya, i can use full disk encrypt with 14.04 no problem.  client is demanding privacy remix and i have to enteratin the though
[14:07] <trevor_s> teward, exactly
[14:07] <teward> trevor_s: unless they give you *specifics* for what they are looking for, you can't do it
[14:07] <TJ-> Mahjongg: yes. there was some talk about it. nginx is shipping with its http2 module I understand
[14:07] <teward> TJ-: in Xenial, only.
[14:07] <trevor_s> teward, ya... not much 'specifics' here
[14:07] <teward> TJ-: unless you use the PPAs.
[14:07] <xenialphile> trevor_s: You'll have to tell him what services he's allowed to use, and what he isn't. I am not sure it's possible unless you firewall everything, and on;y unlock stuff after rigorous testing
[14:08] <Mahjongg> TJ-, wanted to try nginx for along time anyways. I heard it is also suggested for easier Django deployments
[14:08] <Mahjongg> thanks
[14:08] <trevor_s> xenialphile, SMB is the only services needed for this
[14:08] <trevor_s> xenialphile, these systems wont even be connected to internet
[14:08] <pngl> TJ-: tell me more? I directly try to connect to the local IP of the VPN server.
[14:08] <TJ-> Mahjongg: notice teward said its only in 16.04
[14:08] <trevor_s> xenialphile, 3 machines connected to a switch that need to have access to a file server
[14:09] <Mahjongg> teward, TJ thanks
[14:09] <TJ-> pngl: openvpn like other networking can operate in different modes (bridged ethernet 'tap' cs routed IP 'tun'). you'll need to take that into account
[14:09] <trevor_s> xenialphile, but privacy remix is the requirement... i'm which is 12.04 with networking torn out and isn't designed to run on hard disk
[14:09] <trevor_s> oh, and it uses truecrypt
[14:09] <xenialphile> trevor_s: So no web? That makes it a lot easier. Then you have full control over the environment? It should be possible. Encrypt the machine, put glue in the USB ports, and then: what apps is he using SMB for? Just data files? apps?
[14:09] <teward> trevor_s: 'privacy' remix means that it's an offline build - you have to rip the linux kernel apart and strip out web components.
[14:10] <teward> trevor_s: but it's not Ubuntu, and you break *a lot of things*
[14:10] <teward> at that point
[14:10] <xenialphile> How can you use SMB without networkiung?
[14:10] <TJ-> trevor_s: sounds like a good case for net-namespaces and LXC/LXD :)
[14:10] <trevor_s> xenialphile, exactly... you need networking
[14:10] <xenialphile> smb is samba/cifs/microsoft network share?
[14:10] <Pici> xenialphile: yes
[14:11] <TJ-> samba also needs DNS or netbios
[14:11] <trevor_s> xenialphile, its going to be a microsoft smb network share likely
[14:11] <trevor_s> TJ-, true that on netbios
[14:11] <TJ-> trevor_s: use VLANs
[14:11] <srg2> Could someone help me get notify-send working from my crontab? I tried "export DISPLAY=:0.0 /usr/bin/notify-send -t 20000 test hello" but it doesn't show up.
[14:11] <trevor_s> TJ-, why not just use 1 switch with the 3 hosts connected to it and the web server?
[14:12] <trevor_s> TJ-, what is the need for vlans here?
[14:13] <TJ-> trevor_s: if it's offline totally then no need; that wasn't clear that it's in a totally separate isolated network. in which case, no need to change anything vis 'privacy'
[14:13] <trevor_s> TJ-, ya this is offline totally
[14:13] <Massimo05> list!
[14:13] <TJ-> trevor_s: well, if there is no multi-homing then nothing can leak except via sneakernet
[14:14] <trijntje> srg2: I dont think root (ie crontab) can run notify-send, but I forget what the fix was
[14:14] <trevor_s> TJ-, so ubuntu natively uses netbios, right?
[14:14] <trevor_s> i just dont want to have to build a dns server
[14:14] <trevor_s> i mean for 3 machines and a server i could possibly just edit the hosts files
[14:14] <Massimo05> list!
[14:14] <TJ-> trevor_s: Ubuntu doesn't. that's a choice in samba
[14:14] <TJ-> trevor_s: correct
[14:15] <srg2> trijntje: I found some advice online to put the DISPLAY=:0.0 but it didn't work :-\
[14:15] <jackcom> who is in #networking?
[14:15] <trevor_s> nobody ... i'm in ##networking
[14:15] <srg2> jackcom: /names #networking
[14:15] <Pici> its ##networking
[14:15] <motaka2> hello is 16.04 released?
[14:15] <jackcom> trevor_s: and srg2  Pici, you can help me?
[14:15] <srg2> trijntje: Is there a program I can use to display notifications?
[14:15] <srg2> motaka2: read topic
[14:16] <Pici> jackcom: with?
[14:16] <pbx> is there any all-purpose command along the lines of which/type/alias that will output the source of whatever script/alias name you pass?
[14:16] <jackcom> i will go to ##networking, then message show that ‘only invited *3#238d#Se33kds’ :(
[14:17] <jackcom> Pici: and srg2 you can help me?
[14:17] <motaka2> srg2: I am happy that it is not
[14:17] <Pici> jackcom: looks like someone banned you there.
[14:17] <motaka2> TJ-: Hello TJ
[14:17] <trevor_s> jackcom, i'd love to help but i'm working a huge project right now
[14:17] <srg2> I'm at work right now; I'm here trying to GET help :-P
[14:17] <Pici> jackcom: ask a question here (on one line) and someone may be able to help.
[14:18] <jackcom> then who kick me? you can show this? Pici  and trevor_s ?
[14:18] <jackcom> i want talk with guy
[14:18] <Pici> jackcom: catphish_ banned you from ##networking.
[14:18] <kev999> Hi - running ubuntu 14.04lts using vftpd as ftp server - all of a sudden after 'connect' message - connection hangs and does not prompt for username - can anyone help?
[14:18] <jackcom> thanks Pici :)
[14:18] <trijntje> srg2: I don't recall, I'm sorry. It looks like more people have this issue, maybe there is a fix here? https://askubuntu.com/questions/298608/notify-send-doesnt-work-from-crontab
[14:19] <srg2> trijntje: Thanks! I'll try some options from there
[14:20] <Phuket> isitout?
[14:20] <Pici> no
[14:20] <vonfzf> hello
[14:20] <Phuket> !isitout
[14:21] <satysin> is out in the uk
[14:21] <satysin> <3
[14:21] <ytexas> hello ? Anybody here?? XD
[14:21] <satysin> hi ytexas
[14:21] <Phuket> satysin: lol what, its regionally unlocks....
[14:21] <ytexas> Um.. I just new here XD..
[14:22] <kev999> Can anyone help with my FTP issue - please see text above
[14:22] <ytexas> sry ... I'm poor in English >.<
[14:23] <Pici> kev999: I don't have a vftpd server in front of me to play with, but I'd try enabling some debug logging in it's config and seeing where that brings you.
[14:24] <BitBurners> Woot, I see 16.04 .ISOs! ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/linux/INSTALL/Ubuntu/releases/16.04/
[14:24] <kev999> I'll take a look thanks
[14:24] <satysin> Phuket, lol i just meant the final ISOs are available :P
[14:24] <satysin> was joking about being UK only
[14:24] <teward> BitBurners: don't trust them
[14:24] <teward> BitBurners: not until the release announcement is made
[14:24] <jeffreylevesque> how can i ensure my environment variable `DATE` - https://github.com/jeff1evesque/machine-learning/blob/39255546c6540d29e37c01cbcb994be7df9e354f/puppet/environment/development/modules/compiler/templates/webcompilers.erb#L25
[14:24] <jeffreylevesque> is properly implemented within my `echo` statement - https://github.com/jeff1evesque/machine-learning/blob/39255546c6540d29e37c01cbcb994be7df9e354f/puppet/environment/development/modules/compiler/templates/webcompilers.erb#L38
[14:24] <jeffreylevesque> the echo renders the DATE as a string literal 'date +%Y-%m-%d:%H:%M:%S'
[14:24] <jeffreylevesque> but, i can't assign date as env DATE=`date +%Y-%m-%d:%H:%M:%S`
[14:25] <jeffreylevesque> so, i'm not sure what to do?
[14:25] <BitBurners> @teward Well, one can download them and zsync after the formal release to be 100% sure.
[14:25] <satysin> ubuntu-16.04-desktop-amd64.iso MD5 c94d54942a2954cf852884d656224186
[14:25] <satysin> thats final apparently
[14:25] <ChunkzZ1> !isitoutyet
[14:25] <teward> jeffreylevesque: env DATE="$(date +'%Y-%m-%d:%H:%M:%S')"
[14:25] <ChunkzZ1> satysin, no, it's not.
[14:25] <satysin> no?
[14:25] <teward> satysin: no, it's not
[14:26] <satysin> that is what is at http://releases.ubuntu.com/xenial/
[14:26] <satysin> no beta notice anymore etc
[14:26] <teward> jeffreylevesque: try this, actually: DATE="$(date +'%Y-%m-%d:%H:%M:%S')"
[14:26] <gnubie> distrowatch has the variations up
[14:26] <teward> satysin: doesn't matter, it's not official until there's a release announcement
[14:26] <Phuket> satysin: yeah i now c 16.04 iso in ubunuts index. Is there a difference from this and official release?
[14:26] <jeffreylevesque> teward: isn't `env` required for upstart?
[14:27] <teward> jeffreylevesque: oops, probably
[14:27] <satysin> Phuket, no idea
[14:27] <SuperLag> this is silly... but okay
[14:27] <teward> jeffreylevesque: actually, if this is upstart, i'd poke around in upstart documentation
[14:27] <Azendale> Is there an IRC channel to Join for the official release annoucement?
[14:27] <SuperLag> Look on the various mirrors, guys. It may already be on a mirror near you.
[14:28] <SuperLag> and the MD5SUM is as satysin posted, for that image
[14:28] <punter> How (in 16.04 server) do I make bash autocomplete to autocomplete when I tab after this: sudo ap
[14:29] <punter> it's like autocomplete almost doesn't work in 16.04
[14:29] <teward> jeffreylevesque: though, keep in mind SystemD is the 'new thing', so upstart would only apply to older releases which have upstart as their init system
[14:34] <jackcom> Pici: catphish_  don’t talk, you know other op? can you tell nick of other op?
[14:35] <Pici> jackcom: you can ask #freenode to tell you how to get that info. I need to pay attention outside of IRC right now (in a meeting)
[14:35] <TJ-> anyone an idea where grub-install/os-prober might find an LVM VG name artifact belonging to a removed storage device *and* use it in the generated grub.cfg? No sign of it via device mapper, or /etc/lvm/* etc., but it keeps in being re-generated (PC clean booted, old VG device not attached)
[14:36] <jackcom> Pici: ok thanks :)
[14:36] <jeffreylevesque> teward: yes sir.  But, I probably won't get to ubuntu 16.04 until end of this year
[14:36] <jeffreylevesque> i've written some systemd for other projects
[14:36] <satysin> so is that the final image hash?
[14:38] <teward> jeffreylevesque: Ubuntu has been using SystemD for a few releases now :P
[14:38] <teward> jeffreylevesque: but yes I understand your point
[14:40] <gronke> hi rory
[14:44] <Winckle> what time today will the upgrade be released to the normal stream?
[14:44] <ZrL`> 16.04 still not here?
[14:44] <lokien> heyy guys is 16.04 safe to install now? I get black screen when I boot it up
[14:44] <kev999> Hi - running ubuntu 14.04lts using vftpd as ftp server - all of a sudden after 'connect' message - connection hangs and does not prompt for username - can anyone help?
[14:44] <kev999> Can't see how to output extra debug inforation in /etc/vsftpd.com
[14:44] <kev999> netstat-tap shows vsftpd in a state of LISTEN
[14:44] <kev999> connection status goes from TIME_WAIT to CLOSE_WAIT
[14:45] <nearffxx> guys join #ubuntu-release for release info
[14:46] <Myrtti> nearffxx: #ubuntu-release-party
[14:50] <marjinal1st> Installed 16.04 AMD64. Tried to install vlc with apt-get but I'm getting dependency errors: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15966407/ Any ideas?
[14:55] <gronke> the ubuntu mate website is only showing 15.10. is there a 16.04 release for mate or no?
[14:55] <Lewix>  ACPI PCC probe fails.fsck from util-linux 2.26.2/dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root: recovering journals;  /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root: clean 1093245/30203904 files . 18851498/120784896 blocks. I run fcsk for bad block but it seems there was none - (or i wouldnt know) I rebooted and nothing change
[14:55] <Myrtti> there's no 16.04 release for any Ubuntu flavour yet
[14:55] <thewhitehat> marjinal1st: The hint to your problem is in the last line of your paste. "E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages."
[14:55] <davido_> The channel topic above IS accurate.
[14:56] <matthewkim> what time can I download ubuntu 16.04 today?
[14:56] <Myrtti> matthewkim: no set time.
[14:57] <matthewkim> Myrtti: okay, gotta wait. Thanks
[14:57] <Winckle> not having a set time seems unprofessional :/
[14:57] <compdoc> lol
[14:58] <Myrtti> Winckle: it's ready when it's ready, the set time is 'today'
[14:58] <jaythelinuxguy> Releasing a distribution as quickly as possible before it's ready just to satisfy users seems unprofessional
[14:58] <Myrtti> it's better than most open source software
[14:58] <marjinal1st> thewhitehat: I've searched solutions for that error, tried solutions here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/223237/unable-to-correct-problems-you-have-held-broken-packages No luck
[14:59] <thewhitehat> Winckle: Ubuntu has the most "professional" release cycle of any distro.
[14:59] <Lewix> ideas?
[14:59] <Winckle> I mean I agree with jaythelinuxguy that releasing it before it's ready is also unprofessional, but that seems like a false dichotomy
[14:59] <davido_> marjinal1st You're looking for support on 16.04, which has not been released as stable yet. Until such time, #ubuntu+1.
[14:59] <Lewix> basically when i startup the computer it hands in there - it gets stuck
[14:59] <boyblunder> really? 16.04 hasn't been released yet?
[15:00] <equinox_> yes
[15:00] <marjinal1st> davido_: thanks I'll ask there
[15:00] <boyblunder> i was prompted to upgrade just a few hours ago
[15:00] <Myrtti> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/ doesn't have the annoucnement email
[15:00] <boyblunder> strange
[15:00] <Myrtti> announcement email, evan
[15:00] <equinox_> but website are not up to date yet
[15:00] <Myrtti> oh gosh, I can't type
[15:00] <jaythelinuxguy> Winkcle it's not false. Ubuntu developers are dealing with tens of thousands of hardware combinations, and it's not easy to satisfy a majority. I'd rather they get it released with the right patches to satisfy as many people as possible.
[15:00] <equinox_> but torrents is available
[15:00] <thewhitehat> boyblunder: Some components may go live early. However, until all components are in place, it is not released.
[15:00] <boyblunder> gotcha
[15:00] <davido_> The torrents have dev releases.
[15:01] <thumpba> thanks Bashing-om. that worked
[15:01] <thewhitehat> davido_: A couple of mirrors have the ISOs already.
[15:01] <Myrtti> the more normal people download the supposed release from the Ubuntu site, the more bandwidth it uses and makes it more difficult to sync the mirrors. So the more people download it before the announcement, the later the announcement can be made.
[15:01] <Myrtti> just sit on tight and be patient with it
[15:02] <cgt> They should just release it on Bittorrent first.
[15:03] <opGMO> Hey!
[15:03] <opGMO> Hey!
[15:03] <cgt> Hello
[15:04] <opGMO> How you doin?
[15:04] <cgt> !offtopic
[15:05] <opGMO> Does anyone know what VPN is best used for overall use?
[15:06] <cgt> VPN software or VPN provider?
[15:06] <opGMO> I mean what VPN could i best use for overall use?
[15:06] <opGMO> software
[15:06] <cgt> Just use OpenVPN
[15:06] <opGMO> just: apt-get install openvpn?
[15:07] <cgt> I think so
[15:07] <opGMO> Great! Thanks! :D
[15:07] <cgt> yw
[15:09] <thewhitehat> opGMO: That does require running a server or subscribing to a service compatible with OpenVPN.
[15:09] <Artemis3> be nice and use the torrents please, don't do direct iso downloads or you will melt the poor servers ;)
[15:09] <sruli> opGMO: you might also need to install network-manager-openvpn and network-manager-openvpn-gnome (this is for gui)
[15:09] <opGMO> I installed it but it doesn´t show as an application.
[15:10] <opGMO> i mean the network-manager-openvpn-gnome doesn´t show up in apps
[15:10] <opGMO> even thou i installed it
[15:11] <rkzzy> opGMO: it is not a separate application
[15:11] <rkzzy> it is part of network manager
[15:11] <cgt> It's part of network manager.
[15:11] <rkzzy> look for the openvpn options inside network manager
[15:11] <Artemis3> Myrtti, its actually customary to wait for mirror replicating before announcement, the isos are usually ready a day or so before announce
[15:11] <davido_> It's not an app that you run. At the top right-hand side of your monitor there's a drop-down menu for network management.
[15:11] <Myrtti> Artemis3: yes, I know
[15:12] <opGMO> oh, but i just see a proxy,wifi and wired option? Sorry, i´m kinda a noob :s
[15:12] <davido_> In that menu you will find an entry named "VPN Connections", and in that submenu you will find "Edit Connections"
[15:12] <davido_> That will pop up a dialogue box from which you may select openvpn as the vpn type.
[15:13] <davido_> But it really should probably be your network admin who tells you what vpn client to use, and how to configure it for use on the vpn you're connecting to.
[15:13] <viewer|67601> http://www.strawpoll.me/10006772
[15:13] <davido_> Because from this point on, everything becomes very much a matter of how your target VPN is already set up, and kinda beyond the scope of #ubuntu
[15:14] <opGMO> I don´t see any vpn options :s /home/jay/Pictures/Screenshot from 2016-04-21 17-13-21.png
[15:14] <opGMO> Oops
[15:15] <opGMO> file:///home/gurkanozil/Pictures/Screenshot%20from%202016-04-21%2017-13-21.png
[15:16] <n1md4> is it better to upgrade or reinstall?
[15:16] <opGMO> i´d say reinstall
[15:16] <tyrog> n1md4: not out yet, but since it's an LTS, I think it deserves a reinstall :)
[15:17] <n1md4> tyrog: thanks.
[15:17] <n1md4> I thoughht it was today!  :O
[15:18] <tyrog> n1md4: and it is, but today is still far from over in all planet :D
[15:18] <n1md4> yes yes :P
[15:18] <pugsofwar_mobile> Can someone point me in the right direction to partition my Ubuntu installation to dual boot Windows? I forgot to do it when installing and forgot the proper method
[15:19] <n1md4> pugsofwar_mobile: it's no a nice process
[15:19] <n1md4> it involes deleting partition tables and recreating them
[15:19] <n1md4> how many partitions do you have?
[15:19] <sruli> pugsofwar_mobile: so what did u do at time of install? did u overwrite windows?
[15:20] <n1md4> sruli: i'd have thought this is more about leaving enough space to install windows to ... could be wrong though :)
[15:20] <pugsofwar_mobile> I did the standard installation. No windows partition, it's a new SSD. I have sda1, 2, and 5 showing in gparted
[15:21] <n1md4> okay, so 1 is / 2 is extended and 5 is swap
[15:21] <n1md4> probably :)
[15:21] <sruli> n1md4: as you thought...
[15:21] <pugsofwar_mobile> Correct
[15:21] <n1md4> fdisk -l /dev/sda
[15:21] <ux2> anyone here into network or sys admin?
[15:21] <n1md4> will confirm sizes/labels and thus which is swap
[15:22] <pugsofwar_mobile> You were correct. 5 is swap and 2 is extended
[15:22] <n1md4> ok.  i've actually just found this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowtoPartition/ResizingPartition
[15:23] <n1md4> an older install, but safer than the cli if you are not sure.
[15:23] <nearffxx_> guys it will be soon released "<@cjwatson> Getting images onto the CDN is taking somewhat longer than expected, but we're getting there."
[15:23] <HoloIRCUser> I want to only protect my grub terminal but when I add password to /boot/grub/grub.cfg  the password is prompting while boot.
[15:24] <HoloIRCUser> I want only grub terminal protection no password authentication while boot.
[15:24] <bazhang> !isitout
[15:26] <pugsofwar_mobile> I pulled up gparted on my PC but it won't let me shrink sda1. Will I have to run it from a live cd
[15:27] <bazhang> pugsofwar_mobile, you're trying to edit something on a mounted/running system?
[15:28] <ux2> https://sites.google.com/site/digitalpiracyt/information-technology??
[15:28] <ux2> ah oops
[15:28] <pugsofwar_mobile> Yeah, I'm trying to do dumb things. I don't know why I even asked that
[15:29] <coolomatics> pugsofwar_mobile, yes. you can't modify your active partition
[15:30] <testtset> Hi, Does the new Xenial desktop installer support software raid configuration in the gui?
[15:30] <n1md4> pugsofwar_mobile: if it's not too late, it's probably easier just to reinstall ;)
[15:30] <n1md4> ... but the live CD is certainly workable.
[15:31] <philm88> Hey all. I've got a Dockerfile (https://pastebin.mozilla.org/8868448) that attempts to install some basic php5 packages. On one machine it works fine, on another it fails with dependency issues around php5-mysqlnd requiring a different version of php5-common to php5-sybase. I noticed during the apt-get update part of the process, the broken machine includes an extra repo, trusty-proposed. ...
[15:31] <pugsofwar_mobile> I don't have a way to backup my files again. Had my main PC die then my laptop HDD gave out. I'm down to a 1tb SSD and a 16gb flash drive.
[15:31] <philm88> ... Could that be screwing up dependency resolution? And if so, why would the same dockerfile on a different machine not include that repo?
[15:32] <pugsofwar_mobile> So what needs to be done after I shrink my sda1? Will the shrinking itself break anything?
[15:32] <XaliUS> no
[15:32] <XaliUS> removes space to unallocated
[15:32] <coolomatics> pugsofwar_mobile, use that live dvd to shrink it. will work
[15:33] <testtset> Anyone know if the 16.04 installer (for desktop) supports RAID in the gui?
[15:33] <tyl__> hey
[15:33] <plasmoduck> Hey guys im trying to use Wammu and I have the phone connected and when I scan for it I get:
[15:33] <plasmoduck> You don't have permissions for /dev/ttyS19 device! Maybe you need to be member of dialout group.
[15:33] <plasmoduck> But I have just done sudo usermod -a -G dialout skilz
[15:33] <XaliUS> testset: yes
[15:33] <testtset> XaliUS: You just made my day, thanks :)
[15:34] <raul782_> Hello guys, I have a cronjob running with flock that is not updating a php script, however, when I run it manually It works, sometimes at the second time, (Running from root)
[15:34] <raul782_> running on ubuntu server, any clues what could be happening
[15:34] <nacc> raul782_: paths in cronjobs are different
[15:34] <tyl__> I just installed 16.04 on my ext4 partitiion and it ran nicely as expected.  Only thing is that the installation didnt offer bootloader options as is normal with ubuntu install package.
[15:34] <raul782_> I'm using full path
[15:35] <nacc> raul782_: what do you mean "sometimes at the second time"? does that mean the script is inconsistent?
[15:35] <jelly> I have a laptop with 14.04 LTS installed.  How do I run do-release-upgrade to the (currently in development) 16.04 LTS but only the downloading packages part?
[15:36] <raul782_> when I run it manually, sometimes the php don't output anything, but the second time I do it runs correctly
[15:36] <tyl__> ...and Im not positive, but I had some corruption on the windows 7 partition directly after installing 16.4 on a seperate partition
[15:36] <jelly> I want to just grab the packages now where I have fast internet access, but do the release upgrade later when I'm on AC power.
[15:36] <tyl__> worth flagging this up to someone?
[15:37] <Fleuv> Hi I created a desktop entry for oracle sql developer. but now when i launch it via my desktop entry it shutdowns after starting up. I use the following command in my Exec statement: sqldeveloper I also tried: /opt/sqldeveloper/sqldeveloper.sh leaving me with the same problem.
[15:38] <nacc> Fleuv: does running either of those from the terminal work?
[15:38] <Fleuv> yes
[15:38] <Fleuv> but only when leaving the terminal open
[15:39] <Myrtti> jelly: 14.04 won't be offered the new LTS until it gets it's first point (.1) release.
[15:39] <Fleuv> nacc, I tried setting Terminal to true or false but that didnt change anything.
[15:39] <Myrtti> jelly: or, not. I am apparently wrong
[15:39] <jelly> Myrtti: that's the less relevant part of the question.  How do I do-release-upgrade but just download packages?
[15:39] <pugsofwar_mobile> Alright, I've shrunk sda1. What's next on the list?
[15:40] <Gallomimia> well brain. what are we going to do today? the same thing we do every day pinky... try to fix my box's boot sequence!
[15:40] <Myrtti> jelly: judging from man there might not be such an option
[15:40] <Pici> jelly: sorry, Myrtti was right.
[15:40] <zaki> ubuntu-release
[15:41] <jelly> sigh.  Okay, so it's manual munging of sources, and apt-get -d dist-upgrade
[15:42] <nacc> Fleuv: sorry, i'm not sure, maybe someone else can help
[15:42] <ash_workz> what happens if you set a value for cron outside the range of the interval it's designated in? (ie, what if for day of week you put 8?) does it loop back around?
[15:43] <HoloIRCUser> May i get any help regarding grub terminal protection
[15:45] <nacc> ash_workz: it's not a valid value; i assume it's ignored (or an error is thrown)
[15:45] <bazhang> HoloIRCUser, try #grub
[15:45] <nacc> ash_workz: `man 5 crontab` says 0-7 only
[15:45] <ash_workz> nacc: I see... what if you put 31 for the day of month?
[15:46] <Pici> it'll only fire on months that have 31 days
[15:46] <nacc> ash_workz: then it would run if there was a 31st day?
[15:46] <ash_workz> nacc: does it just fail/throw/skip/ignore in Feburary?
[15:46] <nacc> ash_workz: i assume so, based upon the manpage (not experimentally verified)
[15:46] <Pici> ash_workz: it would just not run.  You're just specifying wildcards that a clock needs to line up against
[15:47] <mr-rogers> Good morning, does anyone know how to make sudo apt-get install -y gnome-shell to install without prompting for a default display manager?
[15:47] <Wulf> mr-rogers: run it without a terminal, then it can't ask you
[15:47] <unlucky> mr-rogers: run it without a terminal, then it can't ask you :)
[15:47] <Wulf> unlucky: wtf?
[15:47] <unlucky> unlucky: wtf? :)
[15:48] <ppparadox> Guys i'm running Ubuntu Server 14.04, my syslog is swamped by dhclient, how do i filter it out? Apparently it has no options to disable logging.
[15:48] <unlucky> Guys i'm running Ubuntu Server 14.04, my syslog is swamped by dhclient, how do i filter it out? Apparently it has no options to disable logging. :)
[15:48] <bazhang> unlucky, hi there sailor
[15:48] <unlucky> unlucky, hi there sailor :)
[15:49] <Wulf> !test
[15:49] <manick> ok
[15:49] <whlai> So let me be person #9001 to ask - why isn't 16.04 showing up as an option for upgrade in Software Updater?
[15:49] <unlucky> So let me be person #9001 to ask - why isn't 16.04 showing up as an option for upgrade in Software Updater? :)
[15:49] <Myrtti> whlai: because it's not out yet
[15:49] <unlucky> whlai: because it's not out yet :)
[15:49] <whlai> 4-21?
[15:49] <unlucky> 4-21? :)
[15:49] <XaliUS> you can use apt-get -d dist-upgrade to get it
[15:49] <unlucky> you can use apt-get -d dist-upgrade to get it :)
[15:49] <Wulf> ops! help!
[15:49] <unlucky> ops! help! :)
[15:50] <whlai> Thanks XaliUS. Just wondering why it's not presenting in Software Updater
[15:50] <fenix_peregrino> hellow guys, can someone tell me how to eliminate this?
[15:50] <fenix_peregrino> W: GPG error: https://download.01.org wily InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A496EB03894A3A8D
[15:50] <pugsofwar_mobile> I have a partition ready to install windows on. I just need to install to that partition, then rebuild grub, right?
 Find a source with a public key available?
[15:51] <XaliUS> pugsofwar_mobile: just move grub to boot first
[15:51] <Myrtti> whlai: it's going to be today but they're still syncing the files to mirrors
[15:51] <whlai> ahhh
[15:51] <XaliUS> pugsofwar_mobile: F12 and F2 to enter setup and change boot order
[15:51] <whlai> kk
[15:51] <XaliUS> or install refind if it is a eufi system
[15:51] <mave_> does anyone have an idea how to fix this (note that the bind-address option is commented) ERROR 2003 (HY000): Can't connect to MySQL server on '192.168.1.6' (111 "Connection refused")
[15:52] <whlai> last minute commits eh?
[15:52] <fenix_peregrino> whlai: what do you mean?; the thing is I know that key corresponds to the intel graphic driver which didnt work so good for me. Sorry for my ignorance
[15:52] <whlai> Tehy should have a public key available for authentication
[15:52] <whlai> for whatever reason, that key is not there
[15:53] <whlai> find another source and add them
[15:54] <raul782_> So this is the command, I run, it works when I do it manually but not when the cronjob is running. #root$ /bin/sh -c flock -n /tmp/job.lockfile -c "/var/www/project/current/script job:start"
[15:54] <n1md4> when do the repos get 16.04 :D !!! I'm getting very excited.
[15:54] <mr-rogers> Wulf: I don't know how not to use a terminal.
[15:55] <HoloIRCUser> For logs you can use logrotate #unlucky
[15:55] <fenix_peregrino> Did someone already upgraded to 16.04?
[15:55] <n1md4> it's not in the official repos nor in the download
[15:55] <n1md4> i'm sure it's possible, but i want the official :)
[15:56] <Wulf> mr-rogers: why does it bother you that dpkg asks you something?
[15:56] <Myrtti> n1md4: "today"
[15:56] <fenix_peregrino> nlmd4: me too, so do you know when the official will available?
[15:56] <mr-rogers> Wulf: It breaks provisioning with vagrant.
[15:56] <ash_workz> where can I see a list of sigints and what they do?
[15:56] <jastiv> How do I fix my pulseaudio?
[15:57] <Wulf> mr-rogers: so vagrant automatically install that?
[15:57] <fenix_peregrino> whlai: the thing is I want to eliminate it, but I dont know where it came from then. It sounds stupid but is the truth
[15:57] <Wulf> mr-rogers: vagrant is broken anyway
[15:57] <Wulf> mr-rogers: ask #vagrant for help!
[15:57] <nacc> ash_workz: what do you mean by "sigints"?
[15:58] <fenix_peregrino> nlmd4: how  can I know when they are gonna release the official version of 16.04?
[15:58] <phpcoder> hello
[15:58] <phpcoder> relased? :)
[15:58] <ash_workz> nacc: "signal" I guess... I just wanted to get across that I am looking for a list of numbers
[15:58] <Wulf> phpcoder: no, in 5 hours.
[15:59] <nacc> ash_workz: man 7 signal, iirc
[15:59] <n1md4> i should just set my clock back a day, then I won't be counting down the release
[15:59] <n1md4> :P
[15:59] <nacc> ash_workz: or look in /usr/include
[15:59] <mr-rogers> Wulf: Vagrant isn't an ubuntu support channel. I thought I'd get close to the source by coming here. Vagrant is just running a shell script.
[15:59] <ash_workz> nacc: where are you getting these numbers when you man?
[15:59] <Myrtti> fenix_peregrino: when "April 2016" appears in https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/
[15:59] <rrpeak> Wulf: 5 hours?
[16:00] <Wulf> yup
[16:00] <fenix_peregrino> Myrtti: thanks!; do you know how to eliminate this damn key lol? NO_PUBKEY A496EB03894A3A8D
[16:00] <nacc> ash_workz: i did `man signal` first, and down at the bottom it said signal(7), which means section 7
[16:00] <rrpeak> Wulf: How do you know?
[16:00] <Wulf> rrpeak: let's just say I know
[16:00] <Myrtti> he doesn't.
[16:00] <Myrtti> probably.
[16:00] <jonesnetshi> how does this wine work guys
[16:01] <Wulf> jonesnetshi: wine makes the guys drunk, then you can put them to better use
[16:01] <ash_workz> nacc: under "see also"?
[16:01] <nacc> ash_workz: ack
[16:01] <Sonyy> Ubuntu 16.04 launched ?
[16:01] <Myrtti> nope
[16:01] <ash_workz> nacc: I didn't understand your response
[16:02] <nacc> ash_workz: ack = yes
[16:02] <ash_workz> oh
[16:02] <ash_workz> :P
[16:02] <Sonyy> Releases.Ubuntu.com says so
[16:02] <Myrtti> it's officially released when "April 2016" appears in https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/
[16:02] <ratrace> y'all can already upgrade to 16.04... it ain't gonna change much between now and a few hour later. maybe a package or two for upgrade.
[16:02] <fenix_peregrino> Sonyy: nop, when it says "16th of April" you can install it https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/
[16:02] <k1l> Sonyy: let the servers sync first.
[16:02] <philm88> Anybody know why 1 ubuntu 14.04 machine would fail with dependency issues when multiple other identical machines (using docker) work fine?
[16:03] <Wulf> phpcoder: because they're not identical
[16:03] <philm88> I even have a working and not-working machine on the same network in an attempt to rule out load balance issues with the apt repos
[16:03] <ratrace> philm88: obviously they're not identical if they fail like that.
[16:03] <ash_workz> nacc: I'm still confused... you just knew that man signal was not what you wanted based on it's description?
[16:03] <Sonyy> Oh okay
[16:03] <fenix_peregrino> k1l: do you know how to fix this? :) W: GPG error: https://download.01.org wily InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A496EB03894A3A8D
[16:03] <Sonyy> What's the version available on Ubuntu releases page ?
[16:03] <ash_workz> nacc: so you though, "I need to look for another signal doc" and just started trying the docs listed "signal" at the bottom?
[16:04] <nacc> ash_workz: no, i opened `man signal` and searched for SIGKILL and didn't see the numbers, but saw a reference to another manpage
[16:04] <phpcoder> Wulf, not identical ?
[16:04] <nacc> ash_workz: i also happened to know it was documented somewhere :)
[16:04] <Wulf> phpcoder: as in.. not the same, differ from each other
[16:04] <nacc> ash_workz: tbh, when i've needed that list in the past, i look at /usr/include/asm-generic/signal.h
[16:04] <philm88> ratrace: Well, true - but consider I'm using the official ubuntu 14.04 docker image as my base and running the same update/install/clean command on each machine - it's not clear what is actually different. There's not much scope for differences to creep in
[16:04] <ash_workz> hmm
[16:05] <ash_workz> I'll ask more about this later probably
[16:05] <nacc> ash_workz: feel free :)
[16:05] <phpcoder> Wulf, maybe i miss something...but different from what? the current relase candidate?
[16:05] <phpcoder> *release
[16:05] <k1l> fenix_peregrino: the intel driver repo? :/   you need to import the key from the repo as explained on their website
[16:05] <ratrace> philm88: then you'd first have to define "fail with dependency issues"
[16:05] <Wulf> phpcoder: I don't know how they differ.
[16:07] <GuidovanPossum> hi I thought 16.04 was released today?
[16:07] <Myrtti> is going to be released today
[16:07] <GuidovanPossum> oh ok, is there a party somewhere?
[16:07] <justin__> GuidovanPossum: it will be officially released sometime today. Keep checking ubuntu.com - it'll be posted on the front page when it's officially released.
[16:07] <k1l> #ubuntu-release-party | GuidovanPossum
[16:07] <Myrtti> they never announce an exact time as updating the mirrors and CDN's take a while to update and there's no way of predicting when it's done
[16:08] <zendk> Hi, I am hoping there is someone here that knows how to use a kinect with linux, to 3d scan objects
[16:08] <GuidovanPossum> thanks!
[16:11] <phpcoder> Wulf, but i do not get what you said... "they're not identical" what "are not identical" ?
[16:11] <Haohmaru> got a kubuntu live CD running fine, then i installed it onto the hdd, and when i try to boot it - boom, it throws an error about /dev/disk/by-uuid/<blahblah> does not exist, dropping to a shell, and then (initramfs)
[16:13] <philm88> ratrace: I was looking to generate an fresh output to show you the exact errors - but as mysteriously as it wasn't working, the last run seemed to have worked. Previously the error was saying that php5-mysqlnd & php5-sybase wanted to install a different version of php5-common to the one that was going to be installed. I'm running a full build of the non-trimmed down version of the Dockerfile ...
[16:13] <philm88> ... now to see if the issue has actually fixed itself or if I just made one edit too many to my trimmed down dockerfile
[16:13] <alchemistswl> Hello Ubuntu! I have set up alpine mail client, but somehow it doesnt show me an indicator where I currently am like on which menu listing I am, is there and option to enable?
[16:14] <Solarbab1> can I overwrite everything on my mac drive and install Ubuntu instead?
[16:15] <k1l> Solarbab1: yes
[16:15] <fachex> yes
[16:15] <Solarbab1> k1l: Thanks.   So if I had a completely blank drive I could just install ubuntu from a usb stick and the mac would boot?
[16:16] <k1l> Solarbab1: depending on your exact hardware there might be some tweaks to do, but yes
[16:16] <fachex> yes
[16:16] <fachex> make sure you have the right .ISO for your Mac
[16:16] <Solarbab1> k1l: awesome.  I have a 2009 mac mini with a intel processor
[16:17] <fachex> that will depend on your processor
[16:17] <fachex> ok
[16:18] <Solarbab1> can't wait for the new release tonight
[16:18] <Solarbab1> I'm all snappy
[16:18] <ux2> .clear
[16:19] <B0bsF1sh> I want to selctively output the command text before it executes the command, but I can't get Ubuntu to ever echo  the command text. I tried "#!/bin/bash -v" and "#!/bin/bash -x" at the top. Also "set -v" and "set -x" in the body. Nothing seems to have any effect. Does it go to a different stream? or ? I don't know if it matters, but this script is a cgi-bin being called from an HTML form.
[16:19] <asus> it has been released!
[16:19] <bulubuntu> Ubuntu 16.04 LTS is here
[16:19] <tyrog> 16.04 is OUT!!!
[16:19] <Solarbab1> asus: wow I checked the website 5 minutes ago and it wasn't
[16:19] <Solarbab1> YAY!!!!
[16:20] <tyrog> Please update the topic guys :D
[16:20] <bazhang> !isitout
[16:20] <matthewkim> yay!!!!!
[16:20] <matthewkim> thanks
[16:20] <ratrace> holy spikes in internet traffic batman!
[16:21] <Solarbab1> k1l: will amd64.iso work okay?
[16:21] <tyrog> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop
[16:21] <Solarbab1> So excited.. It's downloading and I'm snapping snapping snapping
[16:22] <trevor_s> can you install ubuntu to hard disk but make it not persist data after logging out/rebooting?
[16:22] <speaker1234> I'm having trouble with kvm and bridged interface
[16:22] <speaker1234> v 16.04
[16:22] <k1l> Solarbab1: the 64bit was patented by amd, that is why its called that way. it works for intel cpus too
[16:22] <coolomatics> Solarbab1, yes. amd64 runs on everything since core2duo
[16:22] <ash_workz> if cron runs a process /bin/bash -c /your_script.sh >> /your_log; it would then run /bin/bash /your_script.sh and you discover and error in your_script.sh such that it does not terminate. Should you kill the cron and script? just the script? handle it another way?
[16:22] <Solarbab1> Thanks!!
[16:22] <speaker1234> guest is running, can access the outside world but can't ssh back into the duest
[16:23] <speaker1234> s/duest/guest/
[16:23] <speaker1234> ssh is running and port 22 is listing on all interfaces
[16:23] <Basstard`> coolomatics: Wrong.
[16:23] <ash_workz> s/(your_script.sh >>)/(\1 2>&1)
[16:24] <coolomatics> Basstard`, apple didnt used celerons or such
[16:24] <nacc> ash_workz: killing the script should lead to cron returning, you might also consider having your script's execution check for existing execution and warn/kill based upon that
[16:24] <tyrog> k1l: You should change the part "16.04: not released yet..."
[16:25] <nacc> ash_workz: it all depends on what you want to achive
[16:25] <k1l> yep, that was an enter to early, but Pici got it covered :)
[16:25] <ash_workz> nacc: so killing the process should result in cron exiting though
[16:26] <nacc> ash_workz: i believe so
[16:26] <ash_workz> does it matter that I killed cron first? :\
[16:26] <ash_workz> (er... the job I guess)
[16:26]  * ash_workz lacks the terminology
[16:27] <ninjah> Is there some magic to getting a Linux desktop working in VMWare esxi
[16:27] <Basstard`> coolomatics: You wrote "everything", and that is wrong.
[16:27] <zaki> its out.
[16:28] <coolomatics> Basstard`, okay. you are right
[16:28] <nacc> ash_workz: i'm not sure, once you've killed the cron execution context, you've probably made the running script an orphan, so it doesn't really matter
[16:29] <wlan2_> So... should I be already able to use do-release-update?
[16:29] <mr-rogers> Is there an IRC for gnome-shell?
[16:30] <Myrtti> wlan2_: are you on wily?
[16:30] <wlan2_> mr-rogers: have you tried #gnome ?
[16:30] <Myrtti> wlan2_: "Users of Ubuntu 15.10 will be offered an automatic upgrade to 16.04 LTS via Update Manager shortly."
[16:30] <wlan2_> No, I'm on LTS
[16:31] <mr-rogers> wlan2_: No. Thanks.
[16:31] <bulubuntu> What is the correct MD5sum for ubuntu-16.04-desktop-amd64
[16:32] <nacc> wlan2_: LTS -> LTS upgrades are typically done with the .1 release, iiuc
[16:33] <Myrtti> wlan2_: estimated release date for .1 is 21st of July
[16:33] <Myrtti> wlan2_: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2016-April/000207.html
[16:33] <wlan2_> Wow. July.
[16:33] <sruli> is there anyway to check if the i downloaded earlier is the same as current release?
[16:33] <nacc> Myrtti: thanks
[16:34] <Myrtti> wlan2_: LTS is supposed to be rock solid, so they'll try to get the bugs and stuff out for the point release
[16:35] <whlai> 16.04 not is mot in do-release-upgrade either
[16:35] <whlai> dammit
[16:35] <whlai> I don't want to use apt-get
[16:35] <compdoc> just wait
[16:35] <wlan2_> So either I go very manual or wait months?
[16:36] <rud0lf> !xenial
[16:36]  * Wulf launches a Xenial of Service (XoS) attack on #ubuntu
[16:36] <Myrtti> whlai: just wait a few, it'll come
[16:36] <cryptomonk> ITS OUT!! woot woot
[16:37] <barnes> whlai: do-release-upgrade -d should work
[16:37] <whlai> yep, it does, barnes
[16:38] <rrpeak> Is it normal that torrenting 16.04 is only about 90 kB/s at the moment?
[16:38] <bynarie_> is the "snappy" feature available in 16.04?
[16:38] <Solarbab1> bynarie_: yes
[16:38] <tyrog> I know this isn't important a lot nowadays, but the 32-bit version is no longer available in the homepage?
[16:38] <tyrog> for download, that is
[16:38] <rud0lf> how do i know i already have 16.04 full version upgraded from beta i had?
[16:39] <DirtyCajun> rud0lf: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[16:39] <rud0lf> thanks
[16:39] <Leoneof> what's "snappy" feature?
[16:39] <bynarie_> sudo do-release-upgrade
[16:39] <DirtyCajun> bynarie_: he already had the beta
[16:39] <DirtyCajun> that wouldnt do anything.
[16:39] <sruli> is lubuntu 16.04 also being officially released today?
[16:39] <Solarbab1> Thank You Ubuntu Team!! so excited I'm snapping my fingers.
[16:40] <whlai> maybe better to use do than apt-get?
[16:40] <bynarie_> oh my bad, gotcha
[16:40] <somsip> Leoneof: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/04/ubuntu-16-04-lts-snap-packages
[16:40] <Myrtti> sruli: yes
[16:40] <sruli> ok, i'll wait
[16:40] <whlai> I'm am upgrading right now
[16:40] <whlai> I'm up to my 2500th get
[16:41] <rrpeak> tyrog: You can download it via torrent (alternative downloads)
[16:41] <sruli> anyone know the stats, how many are downloading iso right now?
[16:41] <Solarbab1> I am
[16:41] <Solarbab1> 10 minutes left
[16:41] <whlai> Will this upgrade roll back my kernel (I'm on 4.5)
[16:42] <DirtyCajun> yes
[16:42] <whlai> gets are done, I'm in upgrade mode
[16:42] <whlai> thanks Dirty
[16:42] <k1l> whlai: no it wont. since you manually installed the kernel
[16:42] <whlai> thaks @k1l
[16:43] <noooooob> !isitout
[16:43] <noooooob> YAY WHOHOO :))
[16:43] <noooooob> Congratz to the devs
[16:43] <qwerty3141> exit
[16:43] <DirtyCajun> i thought a dist-upgrade would kil ?
[16:43] <Solarbab1> Ubuntu is downloading at about 700 kb/s for me.  Not too bad considering.
[16:43] <whlai> Congrats Team Canonical
[16:43] <sruli> 2.5mb/s for me
[16:43] <qwerty3141> im still struggling to get mine to start the upgrade
[16:44] <ash_workz> noooooob: https://youtu.be/ujPKPdyuNNg
[16:44] <whlai> qwerty, what command are you using?
[16:44] <DirtyCajun> i downloaded mine in about 15 seconds lol
[16:44] <whlai> apt-get or do?
[16:44] <Solarbab1> hehe
[16:44] <qwerty3141> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[16:44] <Bingo> Hi, 14.04 sayin, I'm Updated on this pc.  is 16.04 available?
[16:44] <whlai> do-release-upgrade
[16:44] <whlai> or do-release-upgrade -d
[16:44] <k1l> qwerty3141: that is not how you upgrade to 16.04
[16:44] <compdoc> I have a system that auto-boots to the desktop, but I installed a different desktop kubuntu. what do I need to change to have that desktop be default?
[16:44] <BradPJ> I installed Ubuntu a few years back, does Ubuntu installer allow you to name the subvolumes it installs onto a btrfs partition? Or does it simply still use @ and @home? I couldn't find too much with a quick google search.
[16:44] <qwerty3141> whlai, ty
[16:44] <k1l> whlai: stop! dont tell them to use -d
[16:44] <whlai> np
[16:44] <Scooty> Ubuntu 16.04 LTS is coming up, are we expecting higher disk usage with the new snappy packaging system? Since well, netbook and emmc storage...
[16:44] <whlai> oh
[16:44] <k1l> whlai: that is just bad advise
[16:44] <whlai> damn
[16:45] <whlai> works without -d now?
[16:45] <whlai> like 2 minutes after I use -d?
[16:45] <whlai> lol
[16:45] <wlan2_> is it a bad idea to do-release-upgrade -d from 14.04 LTS?
[16:45] <\9> -d is always bad advice because it makes it offer betas
[16:45] <nacc> whlai: -d is *only* for upgrading to the devel release
[16:45] <ikonia> whlai: do you know what -d does ?
[16:45] <ratrace> Scooty: probably, since the whole idea of it is to containerize and carry all the dependencies always
[16:45] <qwerty3141> whlai, still doesnt work apparently there is no new release
[16:45] <\9> wlan2_: yes
[16:45] <whlai> dev version
[16:45] <k1l> whlai: -d is for developer. this will bring you to 16.10 in some time from now. so that is just a bad advice
[16:45] <ikonia> whlai: and what is the dev version ?
[16:45] <plytro> do-release-upgrade is still telling me no new version found
[16:45] <nacc> wlan2_: yes, the whole point of LTS is stability, wait til 16.04.1, which is the LTS upgrade path
[16:46] <ikonia> plytro: what are you upgrading from
[16:46] <plytro> 15.10
[16:46] <k1l> plytro: let the servers sync first. maybe your mirror still needs some
[16:46] <plytro> I'm not worried
[16:46] <Bingo> Reading the docs from tha website, says.. IF you gots 15.10 fine.  If ya gots 14.04 be prepared to upgrade to the latest before upgrade to 16.04.
[16:46] <ash_workz> I was upset I couldn't get a clip of Wernstrom saying, "he just said 'whoo'"
[16:46] <bazhang> !slow
[16:46] <wlan2_> nacc: the sooner I upgrade this system, the sooner I can tell when to upgrade the rest.
[16:46] <ikonia> plytro: this is the problem with people trying to hit releases before the official announcement, not all mirrors are up and running
[16:46] <plytro> although it reflects poorly when they say "it will be out this date, but wait on this date for things to sync"
[16:46] <ratrace> Bingo: what? you can update from lts to lts
[16:46] <Bingo> But first, my 14.04 does not say the new is there.
[16:47] <whlai> ok, so I did an do-release-upgrade -d
[16:47] <whlai> how do I make sure I stay on LTS later on?
[16:47] <Leoneof> somsip: thanks
[16:47] <ikonia> Bingo: it won't
[16:47] <k1l> plytro: its still "this date" :)
[16:47] <ikonia> Bingo: I don't believe it will offer an upgrade path until 16.04.01
[16:47] <Scooty> ratrace: Then there's the compressed packages of snappy...like, netbooks are low on processing power as well as memory, then there's on the fly decompression...
[16:47] <ikonia> Bingo: other LTS upgrades have waited until the .1 release
[16:47] <noooooob> is there an easy way to secure erase an ssd from within a livecd before installing the new ubuntu?
[16:47] <bazhang> ikonia, or never
[16:47] <Bingo> it says LTS to LTS in 3 more months
[16:47] <plytro> k1l: we're both splitting hairs
[16:48] <plytro> and I believe in some timezones its already "next date"
[16:48] <Wulf> noooooob: overwrite it with random data, then delete + truncate it
[16:48] <ratrace> Bingo: I upgraded 14.04 to 16.04 successfully even to beta
[16:48] <ikonia> bazhang: really ?
[16:48] <Sonyy> 16.04 launched ?
[16:48] <plytro> i'm installing fresh, using the gui, how can I setup lvm and crypt without checking the default boxes
[16:48] <plytro> doing that just gives me a big /
[16:48] <whlai> ok, so I did an do-release-upgrade -d  ...   how do I make sure I stay on LTS later on?
[16:48] <Bingo> FOR LTS you can download, back u data, and re- rather, install 16.04 plain out
[16:48] <plytro> I want lvm with free space to grow into and different logical disks for different mount points
[16:49] <Bingo> ratrace, tell me.. hmm?
[16:49] <plytro> I've only ever been able to do this with the curses based install
[16:49] <noooooob> Wulf: nope i want to issue the secure erase to the ssd, overwrite with random data does not erase exchanged blocks and it will take ages
[16:49] <whlai> Processing triggers for libc-bin (2.19-0ubuntu6.7) ...
[16:49] <whlai> Stuck ehre
[16:49] <ratrace> Bingo: tell you what?
[16:49] <momobi> VLC TV ?
[16:49] <plytro> noooooob: i've read in various places there is no true way to securely wipe an ssd
[16:49] <plytro> do to wear leveling
[16:49] <plytro> due
[16:50] <noooooob> plytro: there is an secure erase sata command
[16:50] <Bingo> ratrace, tell me what you did to get 16.04?  mine is not saying 16.04 is even available
[16:50] <plytro> sata != ssd though
[16:50] <Phuket> yay its out
[16:50] <ratrace> Bingo: I ran do-release-upgrade -d few days ago when it was still beta
[16:50] <SpacePirate> I can't mount my /dev/sdb6 partition for some reason... "[231127.669650] EXT4-fs (sdb6): bad geometry: block count 69490001 exceeds size of device (64589387 blocks)"
[16:50] <Wulf> noooooob: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SSD_memory_cell_clearing
[16:50] <whlai> fuck - upgrade is stuck at Processing triggers for libc-bin (2.19-0ubuntu6.7) ...
[16:50] <SpacePirate> I tried resizing the partition... and it didn't work.
[16:50] <SpacePirate> Is there something I can do to fix my problem?
[16:50] <wlan2_> Oh, I just remembered -s
[16:50] <Bingo> wth is do-release?
[16:51] <DirtyCajun> ...
[16:51] <ratrace> Bingo: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/installing-upgrading.html
[16:51] <whlai> @bingo, it's the "right" way to upgrade
[16:51] <k1l> Bingo: do-release-upgrade it the CLI version of update-manager which will upgrade to a new ubuntu release
[16:51] <plytro> http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/securely-erase-ssd-without-destroying/
[16:51] <whlai> but only -d is available through do
[16:52] <ash_workz> what is the opposite of [[ -z ${var+x} ]] ?
[16:52] <plytro> ash_workz: thats for #bash
[16:52] <whlai> Ok. So now that I'm stuck on precessing triggers, what is the right move?
[16:52] <ash_workz> plytro: that's true
[16:52] <Bingo> DEV mode upgrade gave you vivid and 15.10
[16:52] <k1l> whlai: let the upgrade run now.
[16:52] <whlai> k1l: It's stuck
[16:53] <Bingo> I got generic -58
[16:53] <whlai> Processing triggers for libc-bin (2.19-0ubuntu6.7) ...
[16:53] <whlai> stuck
[16:53] <whlai> like 5 minutes
[16:53] <k1l> whlai: but when the open the next development release (which will be 16.10) then your command will bring you to 16.10. so dont tell people to do that.
[16:53] <k1l> whlai: let it run
[16:53] <whlai> so it'll resolve itself @k1l?
[16:54] <JimmyNeutron> YIPEE! 16.04 out :)
[16:54] <XaliUS> ubuntu+1 is for ubuntu 16 specifically
[16:54] <wlan2_> unknown multi arch type 'no'
[16:55] <SpacePirate> Is there anybody out there who can help me with my issue?
[16:55] <wlan2_> SpacePirate:  what problem?
[16:55] <Bingo> The Update Manager should open up and tell you that a new distribution is available. Click Upgrade and follow the on-screen instructions.  -- I don't get Manager saying the NEW one is there yet..
[16:55] <SpacePirate> I can't mount my /dev/sdb6 partition for some reason... "[231127.669650] EXT4-fs (sdb6): bad geometry: block count 69490001 exceeds size of device (64589387 blocks)"
[16:55] <SpacePirate> I tried resizing the partition... and it didn't work.
[16:55] <SpacePirate> Is there anybody out there who can help me with my issue?
[16:56] <SpacePirate> That one ^^^
[16:56] <SpacePirate> I'd be greatful for any help I can get.
[16:56] <SpacePirate> grateful*
[16:56] <mariana> ola
[16:57] <skmar> SpacePirate: have you tried resizing it back?
[16:57] <wlan2_> SpacePirate: I'm afraid that's probably hardware issues and cannot fix by software.
[16:57] <l0ll1p0p> SpacePirate: do you have sdd card or hda card?
[16:57] <plytro> SpacePirate: verify hardware issue with S.M.A.R.T
[16:58] <lokien> hey guys, which graphics drivers would I have to pull for gtx 650TI?
[16:59] <skmar> SpacePirate: what tool did you use to resize it in the first place?
[16:59] <k1l> lokien: one of the nvidia drivers in the repos
[16:59] <SonikkuAmerica> !isitout
[16:59] <sruli> SpacePirate: https://forum.openwrt.org/viewtopic.php?id=57086 and http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/115698/fix-ext4-fs-bad-geometry-block-count-exceeds-size-of-device might help u
[17:00] <lokien> k1l: ah, so I'll try them one by one
[17:00] <ratrace> lokien: or... check on nvidia site which driver version you need
[17:01] <Bingo> I'm just gonna download the 16.04 , backup my stuff to thumb drive, and install the new OS.
[17:01] <Bingo> I mean, since the 14.04 is not seeing a new version is out there.
[17:02] <k1l> !ltsupgrade | Bingo
[17:02] <lokien> ratrace: ah, yeah, there is a version right there. thanks
[17:02] <Bingo> yes july 21st
[17:03] <Solarbab1> ubottu: thats good info thank you
[17:03] <pugsofwar_mobile> I just got Windows installed on a secondary partition on my  SSD. How do I choose what OS to boot?
[17:03] <sruli> pugsofwar_mobile: what boots now?
[17:03] <pugsofwar_mobile> Windows 7
[17:03] <Bingo> people that had lts expected to be able to get another lts.. right?  but instead the ones that had the short term dev got the upgrade first?
[17:04] <sruli> pugsofwar_mobile: you dont have a grub menu?
[17:04] <pugsofwar_mobile> Nope, goes straight to windows
[17:04] <ratrace> Bingo: it's possible that the caches/mirrors are not yet fully updated for your location
[17:04] <somsip> ratrace: no, the upgrade process for LTS to LTS is different
[17:05] <Bingo> pugsofwar_mobile ---- mine was booting windows, like that
[17:05] <ratrace> somsip: I upgraded with do-release-upgrade -d a few days ago
[17:05] <Bingo> ratrace, okay, I'll wait on it before installing
[17:05] <somsip> ratrace: Bingo has not done that yet
[17:05] <sruli> pugsofwar_mobile: is ur ubuntu installation encrypted?
[17:05] <Bingo> somisp - i got the 58 generic kernel
[17:06] <pugsofwar_mobile> No, it's not
[17:06] <somsip> Bingo: can't see the relevance of that. You now know how to upgrade LTS to LTS if you want to go ahead now, rather than waiting to 16.0.4.1, yes?
[17:06] <Bingo> pugsofwaar - no uefi?
[17:06] <sruli> pugsofwar_mobile: u'll have to boot ubuntu livecd install and configure grub
[17:06] <Bingo> somsip yes
[17:06] <somsip> Bingo: cool
[17:07] <Bingo> recommend that the fellow on _Mobile, looks at the boot config first
[17:08] <sruli> pugsofwar_mobile: once in live session, open terminal and run "sudo vgchange -ay" and see if u get a response with "active" let me know once u have done this and i'll talk  u through the procedure
[17:09] <Bingo> pugsofwar -- what's your bcd say, and what does bootconfig say from linux?  if you can get at a live cd.
[17:10] <pugsofwar_mobile> I'm having a little trouble with my live USB. I just updated it to Ubuntu 15.10 from 14.04, but now it's not booting. I think it's corrupt. Lovely
[17:11] <ratrace> pugsofwar_mobile: afaik such jumps are unsupported.
[17:11] <pugsofwar_mobile> I got into my Ubuntu partition with UBCD
[17:12] <Bingo> I had w10 and installed 14.04, and ubuntu was no where. so I made windows try to find it, but it would not boot.  So I went to boot up, console, uefi and settings, and said.. boot ubuntu.
[17:13] <Bingo> Once ubuntu booted, I had two OS, but neither one would load tha other
[17:13] <Bingo> Then, I got here, and was told bootconfig might help.  and it did
[17:14] <ratrace> Bingo: windows won't see or load linux, but grub will chainload linux, that's why you must always set up booting from the linux system
[17:14] <Bingo> yep ratrace, but it can be windows boots
[17:14] <Solarbaby> when in doubt, I always use clonezilla to backup my system before upgrading / reinstalling just in case I want to go back.
[17:15] <Solarbaby> it's time consuming but worth it
[17:15] <Bingo> ifink.. i think win 10 will boot other os in legacy
[17:15] <Sai> Hi !
[17:15] <rektide_> hi. i'm on 15.04. i'm trying to follow instructions on http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/upgrade but when i update and run update-manager- even after telling it to tell me about new distros- it only gives me a list of packages to upgrade.
[17:15] <rektide_> hwo do i upgrade?
[17:15] <rektide_> i'd like to get on 16.04 LTS
[17:15] <nacc> !eol | rektide
[17:15] <phpcoder> http://www.ubuntu.com/ relased
[17:15] <nacc> rektide_: 15.04 has been eol for some time
[17:15] <Solarbaby> I will admit clonezilla never did very well with dual boot ubuntu/windows systems
[17:16] <Bingo> rektide --- Me 2, hahaha
[17:16] <k1l> rektide_: you are on 15.04? then you missed the upgrade to 15.10 since months. your system is heavily insecure, upgrade to 15.10 first with the !eolupgrade
[17:17] <pugsofwar_mobile> Awesome, got my grub working
[17:17] <Bingo> rektide_ backup yer pc then download 16.04, and have a go at it?
[17:17] <k1l> Bingo: no need to tell everyone to reinstall.
[17:18] <Bingo> wont they all wait to july ?
[17:18] <Bingo> it took 18 mins to down the ubuntu
[17:19] <nacc> Bingo: if they were on 15.04, they weren't on LTS, they were already on a devel release, so they should be able to upgrade (even if it's an eolupgrade) devel -> devel
[17:19] <Bingo> split
[17:20] <Bingo> see ya, gtg.
[17:23] <alknows> hi, does anyone know why i cant already do-release-upgrade?
[17:23] <ikonia> alknows: from what release ?
[17:23] <alknows> 14.04
[17:23] <l0ll1p0p> alknows: Hi! Realese upgrade is possible in july when first patch comes
[17:23] <sruli> ltsupgrade | ikonia
[17:23] <ikonia> alknows: it won't allow an upgrade until 14.04.1
[17:24] <nacc> * 16.04.1
[17:24] <ikonia> oops 16.04.1
[17:24] <ikonia> sorry
[17:24] <alknows> wooow thats smth. thanks for the info guys
[17:24] <Myrtti> alknows: aaand that would be in July.
[17:25] <popey> You can override it, it's just the automatic popup wont appear till then
[17:25] <k1l> one could use the development upgrade channel. but since one uses LTS and would like to have a stable system one would want to wait until july
[17:25] <l0ll1p0p> !isitout
[17:27] <destinydriven> ooxi, I changed to archive.ubuntu.com and I am still getting the same error:  Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/account-plugins/account-plugin-flickr_0.12+16.04.20160126-0ubuntu1_all.deb Size mismatch
[17:27] <k1l> destinydriven: what ubuntu release is in use?
[17:27] <destinydriven> 15.10
[17:28] <actionparsnip> destinydriven: cd; wget http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/account-plugins/account-plugin-flickr_0.12+16.04.20160126-0ubuntu1_all.deb; sudo dpkg -i ./account-plugin-flickr_0.12+16.04.20160126-0ubuntu1_all.deb; sudo apt-get -f install
[17:28] <destinydriven> I've tried this 3 times already and always get this after all the updates have downloaded
[17:28] <destinydriven> actionparsnip, thanks
[17:28] <destinydriven> let me try this
[17:28] <k1l> destinydriven: that version is not in the wily repos
[17:28] <k1l> !info account-plugin-flickr wily
[17:28] <destinydriven> k1l, I don't even need this
[17:29] <k1l> so i bet you have some repos pointing to 16.04
[17:29] <k1l> destinydriven: "grep ^ /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* | nc termbin.com 9999" show that url please
[17:30] <emadhelmi> hi, ubuntu 16.04LTS is released, but when i check the update manager it does not tell me for upgrading i am on 14.04LTS what should i do?
[17:30] <destinydriven> k1l, http://termbin.com/0dcj
[17:30] <ikonia> emadhelmi: you need to wait until 16.04.1 before an upgrade will be offered
[17:31] <BUSY> ikonia, is there a command line upgrade possible?
[17:31] <k1l> destinydriven: you are actually using a 16.04
[17:31] <ikonia> BUSY: from what ?
[17:31] <BUSY> 14.04
[17:31] <k1l> destinydriven: see "lsb_release -d"
[17:31] <ikonia> BUSY: no, as I've just said you have to wait until 16.04.1
[17:31] <BUSY> ok
[17:31] <emadhelmi> ikonia, when this version released?
[17:32] <pksadiq> \leave
[17:32] <k1l> !ltsupgrade | emadhelmi
[17:32] <ikonia> 16.04 is released 16.04.1 is releaed in 3 months I think
[17:32] <ikonia> ahhh there you go
[17:32] <destinydriven> k1l, Description:	Ubuntu 15.10
[17:32] <k1l> destinydriven: then the upgrade broke. because all your sources point to 16.04.
[17:32] <Wulf> is that because 16.04 is considered not stable?
[17:33] <ikonia> Wulf: not really not, 16.04 is considered stable
[17:33] <actionparsnip> Wulf: not technically until it hits first point release.
[17:33] <k1l> destinydriven: are you aware you have 16.04 sources? did you run the upgrade to 16.04 and that broke or stopped?
[17:33] <destinydriven> k1l, how to fix
[17:33] <mr-rogers> Are there any examples of using apt-get -o?
[17:33] <Winckle> i'm on 15.10 and do-release-upgrade still isn't finding the upgrade :(
[17:33] <ikonia> but people wanting the upgrade from 14.04 will mostly be production driven
[17:33] <destinydriven> k1l, that's the thing. It stops and gives the error I posted
[17:33] <actionparsnip> Winckle: yes, because its not at 16.04.1 yet
[17:33] <nacc> mr-rogers: what configuration option do you want to set?
[17:33] <k1l> destinydriven: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[17:34] <destinydriven> k1l, ok will try that and report back   (in about an hour)
[17:34] <emadhelmi> ikonia, the result of lsb_release -d is 14.04.4LTS
[17:34] <actionparsnip> Winckle: you could wipe Wily off and do a fresh install of Xenial from CD / USB. You can restore your user data from your backups
[17:34] <Winckle> is 16.04 not the final release? What does the minor version number indicate?
[17:34] <mr-rogers> nacc: I don't know. I'm wanting to look at packages and their associated options.
[17:34] <ikonia> emadhelmi: yes ?
[17:34] <ikonia> emadhelmi: you said you where using 14.04
[17:34] <nacc> mr-rogers: packages dont' have options, generally
[17:34] <nacc> mr-rogers: -o is for *apt* options
[17:35] <mr-rogers> nacc: Oh. I see.
[17:35] <actionparsnip> Winckle: its stable, but will not be seen for upgrading from 14.04.4 or 15.10 until it hits the first point release
[17:35] <emadhelmi> ikonia, but when i run that command i get that answer, so when can i upgrade?
[17:35] <tgm4883> actionparsnip: I thought the .1 only applied to LTS releases. Upgrades from 15.10 should be happening now I thought
[17:35] <ikonia> emadhelmi: no
[17:35] <actionparsnip> Winckle: you can tell do-release-upgrade to use the (d)evelopment release and you will upgrade to Xenial
[17:35] <ikonia> emadhelmi: I've JUST told you, not until 16.04.1 is released
[17:35] <actionparsnip> tgm4883: afaik, its similar. I could be wrong
[17:35] <nacc> mr-rogers: i think what you want is: https://wiki.debian.org/en/PackageManagement/Preseed
[17:36] <nacc> mr-rogers: essentially a per-package preseed (which will answer such debconf questions)
[17:36] <emadhelmi> ikonia, Thx
[17:37] <tgm4883> actionparsnip: I think 15.10 should be now, but probably need some repo syncing to finish https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes#Upgrading_from_Ubuntu_14.04_LTS_or_15.10
[17:37] <nacc> yeah, i'd assume it's just mirror latencies right now
[17:37] <Winckle> actionparnsip: thanks for info, I didn't realise ubuntu upgrades worked like that, I've come back to ubuntu after not using it for about 10 years. I'll hold my horses and wait for the point release
[17:38] <actionparsnip> Winckle: I always clean install every other LTS release, new disks needed soon. New array, new install. Feels great
[17:40] <Winckle> actionparsnip: I'd rather just in place upgrade. This is 2016, if Ubuntu can't be trusted to do that like Mac OS X or Windows then it's not much cop
[17:40] <yacc_> Seems like the upgrade info 14.04=>16.04 is missing?
[17:40] <nacc> Winckle: you can just fine
[17:40] <Winckle> yeah I hope so!
[17:41] <nacc> !ltsupgrade | yacc_
[17:41] <actionparsnip> Winckle: i just like that clean fresh feeling. I dont upgrade Windows either. New disk, new install
[17:41] <yacc_> Ok, it's in the release notes and not the page.
[17:41] <nacc> yacc_: what page?
[17:41] <Winckle> I'm on ubuntu server, and reading the changelist there's not too much I think I'll be using on the new version so it's not a big deal if I wait to upgrade
[17:41] <yacc_> the page that the download page links to.
[17:42] <actionparsnip> Winckle: for servers, why are you not on the LTS. I'd never put a non-LTS on a server
[17:42] <yacc_> nacc: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/upgrade links to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes?_ga=1.52388717.596093164.1455668033
[17:42] <yacc_> nacc, 14.04 is older than 15.10
[17:43] <actionparsnip> nacc: but 14.04 is supported a lot longer
[17:43] <destinydriven> actionparsnip, when I run this I get dpkg-deb: error: './account-plugin-flickr_0.12+16.04.20160126-0ubuntu1_all.deb' is not a debian format archive
[17:43] <destinydriven> dpkg: error processing archive ./account-plugin-flickr_0.12+16.04.20160126-0ubuntu1_all.deb (--install):
[17:43] <destinydriven>  subprocess dpkg-deb --control returned error exit status 2
[17:43] <destinydriven> Errors were encountered while processing:
[17:43] <destinydriven>  ./account-plugin-flickr_0.12+16.04.20160126-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[17:43] <skinux> I noticed 16.04 moves the Unity panel to bottom of the screen. I like that.
[17:43] <Winckle> actionparsnip: It's a HTPC that's mostly used to stream content I've grabbed from usenet
[17:43] <nacc> !paste | destinydriven
[17:43] <skinux> Trying to get shit backed up so I can upgrade.
[17:44] <yacc_> nacc, and I really want 16.04.0 so to say, I'm waiting with bated breath (or should I say a non-perfect driver situation), ...
[17:44] <Winckle> actionparsnip it's not a big production server with mission critical apps
[17:44] <Winckle> at worst maybe plex or comic streamer is down for a few hours :P
[17:44] <nacc> yacc_: i think that second page (note it's in the community section) hasn't been updated yet
[17:44] <Winckle> I also have irssi on there so I can IRC from work or phone :)
[17:45] <actionparsnip> Winckle: I use AndChat on my phone. Its awesom
[17:45] <nacc> actionparsnip: ? did you mean that for yacc_ ?
[17:45] <yacc_> nacc: The wording "older than 15.10" is not perfect.
[17:45] <actionparsnip> nacc: either, both and all 3 :)
[17:45] <yacc_> nacc, "not 15.10 or 14.04LTS" would be probably clearer.
[17:46] <nacc> yacc_: agreed, you can probably provide an edit to the help page, at least
[17:46] <Forti> Hello folks I have a bit of a problem. Im rather newish to Ubuntu, I got it currently installed on my new HP Probook, I used to be able to connect the laptop via hdmi to my sound system which would loop the signal to my tv. but for some reason I cant detect the hdmi cable anymore in screen settings
[17:46] <destinydriven> k1l, after  sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade (I had to run with --fix-missing).  What do I do next?
[17:46] <Forti> Anyone know of a way to manually toggle or enable hdmi outputs via the cli?
[17:47] <yacc_> nacc, sounds like an idea why I wait for the downloads.
[17:47] <yacc_> Forti, you need a cli client for XRandR.
[17:47] <yacc_> Forti, assuming that 16.04 is still using X11 ;)
[17:47] <yacc_> xrandr should do, ...
[17:48] <k1l> destinydriven: what is the issue now?
[17:48] <destinydriven> k1l, do I attempt the dist upgrade again?
[17:48] <yacc_> Forti, it's less about toggling HDMI, but arranging screens, and toogles outputs as needed as a side effect.
[17:48] <Forti> It worked before though? I was on the Beta 2 a few days ago, hdmi worked flawlessly, ran full upgrade to 16.04 LTS and its gone now
[17:48] <\9> hmm. I wonder, what's the name of the next ubuntu release?
[17:48] <yacc_> Forti, if you toogle the HDMI output you'd want to specify what the HDMI output is supposed to show, wouldn't you?
[17:49] <destinydriven> k1l, I am getting option to perform partial upgrade (same as before I run the last upgrade which threw the error I posted)
[17:49] <Forti> yacc, just two days ago in the screen settings ubuntu would auto detect my tv over hdmi and arrange it as a second screen on the screen settings
[17:49] <phablet> sup
[17:49] <Forti> as plug and play as it gets
[17:49] <k1l> destinydriven: run "sudo apt full-upgrade"
[17:50] <yacc_> Forti, that sounds like a driver issue, ...
[17:50] <klemax> hello, when I tried to start vnc server, I got: 1:myusername stdin: is not a tty. The second error is, getpassword error: Inappropriate ioctl for device. what am I missing exactly?
[17:50] <explaymaent_> hello Drone
[17:50] <destinydriven> k1l, E: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/account-plugins/account-plugin-flickr_0.12+16.04.20160126-0ubuntu1_all.deb  Size mismatch
[17:50] <destinydriven> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[17:50] <destinydriven> problem still exists
[17:51] <dontknow> how is 16.04
[17:51] <Forti> yacc, thinking it may be an issue with the 16.04 LTS drivers for intel graphics?
[17:53] <k1l_> destinydriven: "sudo rm -rf /var/cache/apt/*"    after that "sudo apt update, sudo apt full-upgrade"
[17:53] <AquariusM10-user> anyone already using the new Aquarius M10 with Ubuntu Touch
[17:53] <destinydriven> k1l_, ok will try this
[17:53] <vimes> any one know the release date for ubuntu 16.04 Gnome?
[17:54] <\9> wouldn't apt-get clean be a safer command than a big scary rm -rf?
[17:54] <jalt> Hi, is /etc/network/interfaces still the right place to configure persistent networking devices in 16.04 despite the switch to systemd? I don't have any problem with the new udev rules for device names, and all adapters show correctly with ip addr, but only the first was enabled by default (dhcp).
[17:54] <tivio> AquariusM10-user, I am using aquaris
[17:54] <tgm4883> vimes: it's been released
[17:55] <alkisg> jalt, why not use network manager instead, that shows an icon with the connection status, speed etc?
[17:55] <\9> !isitout |vimes
[17:55] <vimes> tgm4883, can't find it on the Ubuntu Gnome website
[17:55] <jalt> alkisg: server, no X
[17:55] <vimes> https://ubuntugnome.org/ tgm4883  ubottu
[17:55] <AquariusM10-user> tivio> What are your thoughts about it>
[17:55] <alkisg> jalt, ah, there's #ubuntu-server for that. But yes, /etc/network/interfaces
[17:55] <tgm4883> vimes: not sure what's up with that, but the 16.04 releases notes point to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuGNOME and have a download link
[17:55] <AquariusM10-user> sorry, keyboard layout chaos....
[17:55] <tivio> thinking about sending it back immediately tommorow
[17:55] <vimes> ty tgm4883
[17:55] <tivio> right now I am trying to find a reason to keep it but it sucks
[17:56] <tivio> what do you think about the device/ubuntu touch?
[17:57] <AquariusM10-user> that was my impulse as well. Got stuck during shutdown, gps is behaving strangely and no lock yet. Its beta for sure. Did you do the update to Ubuntu 3_
[17:57] <Show_Left> Spanish?
[17:57] <DJones> !es | Show_Left
[17:57] <Show_Left> Thanks.
[17:57] <gronke> so I am at the ubuntu mate install screen. I have Erase disk and Install Ubuntu MATE and also Something Else, but both continue choices are grayed out. Why?
[17:57] <jalt> alkisg: hmm did not know of #ubuntu-server, so thank you for the tip. Longshot question because #maas is silent: anyone know how MAAS manages the (rack controller) networks so that it doesn't end up overwriting/conflicting with my /etc/network/interfaces ?
[17:58] <AquariusM10-user> Web surfing is not bad and the fact that you can use at least commandline linux programs....
[17:58] <gronke> Like, "Install Now" is grayed out, and "Continue" is also grayed out.
[17:58] <alkisg> gronke: does it see your disk? open a terminal and run sudo lsblk
[17:58] <tivio> a friend got its m10 yesterday and did the update, he said it did not really improve anything
[17:59] <AquariusM10-user> Camera quality is pretty good, too. And I just hope, it will mature soon...
[17:59] <gronke> alkisg, no idea why it shouldn't, Im' going from fedora and I was just using it
[17:59] <tivio> I thought I could run more ubuntu programs, but its hardly anything there
[17:59] <alkisg> gronke: ok, do the terminal/lsblk thing
[17:59] <nooooob> so on fresh 16.04 install nouveau got so many gfx glitches that i installed nvidia-current instead: GREAT now i cant click with my mouse
[17:59] <AquariusM10-user> what are some concrete bugs you experience
[17:59] <gronke> alkisg, I don't see an option here to open a terminal
[17:59] <yacc_> do-release-upgrade claims that there is no new release???
[17:59] <AquariusM10-user> sorry, cant find the question mark...
[17:59] <yacc_> On 14.04
[17:59] <alkisg> gronke: ah, you selected "install ubuntu" instead of "try ubuntu"? Reboot and select "try ubuntu" first
[18:00] <nooooob> so how can i get a prober GUI on 16.04 AND use my mouse at the same time?
[18:00] <tivio> no real bugs and as I said I did not have much time to test out everything
[18:00] <\9> yacc_: 14.04 only is offered an upgrade once 16.04.1 is out
[18:00] <tivio> but its a bit laggy which I really hate
[18:00] <\9> yacc_: so that the devs have time to stabilize it for LTS servers
[18:00] <gronke> alkisg, that's really annoying -_-
[18:00] <yacc_> AquariusM10-user, related to your nick, does the M10 support dual screen or ONLY mirrored screens with HDMI?
[18:00] <alkisg> gronke: there's also #ubuntu-mate for mate
[18:00] <tivio> then there is not much compatible software, so it does not really replace a unity laptop
[18:00] <tivio> ubuntu laptop
[18:00] <yacc_> \9, so how do I do start the upgrade?
[18:00] <nooooob> is mouse usage supported on ubuntu?
[18:01] <AquariusM10-user> don>t have a micro hdmi2hdmi connector yet so couldnt try it out so far
[18:01] <yacc_> \9 because even if I wanted, 14.10 is not available anymore, so I can not go it piecemeal.
[18:01] <minas114> I have noticed that xchat is no longer in the repositories for ubuntu 16.04. Does anyone know why?
[18:01] <\9> 14.10?
[18:01] <AquariusM10-user> in settings theres an option for upgrades
[18:01] <gronke> alkisg, yes the disks are there
[18:02] <AquariusM10-user> but make sure your timezone and time&date is correct before you update/
[18:02] <auronandace> minas114: no longer supported, not active, use hexchat instead
[18:02] <alkisg> gronke: the disk shows up in the terminal but not in the installer?
[18:02] <gronke> alkisg, we'll see, i'm about to do it agian, but as of now yes
[18:02] <minas114> auronandace, Oh, I see. It's a pity, because it integrated better with Ubuntu (e.g notifications) than hexchat.
[18:02] <rektide_> here we go
[18:02] <yacc_> \9, I've got a 14.04 laptop that I really want to update, just for the drivers. ;)
[18:03] <alkisg> gronke: select the "try ubuntu" option and once booted, launch gparted to see
[18:03] <jalt> minas114: if you only need super basic IRC support you can use pidgin
[18:03] <nooooob> how can i use my mouse in ubuntu?
[18:03] <auronandace> minas114: there is an indicator plugin for hexchat too
[18:03] <nooooob> do i need to enable it?
[18:03] <yacc_> \9, 14.04 has been far from a smooth ride, to say so :)
[18:03] <gronke> alkisg, it's working now, no idea why it wasn't earlier. weird.
[18:03] <alkisg> gronke: I did the ubuntu mate installation 1 minute ago, it worked fine for me...
[18:03] <\9> yacc_: I must admit that I don't know how to upgrade from 14.04 to 16.04 right now. I just know that do-release-upgrade doesn't offer it until 16.04.1, it's been a common question in here
[18:03] <minas114> auronandace, Installing it :)
[18:04] <AquariusM10-user> I guess I will still stick with it, because it's just so great to have SOME kind of open-source linux on a tablet. the weird scope stuff is annoying, though
[18:04] <alkisg> \9: do-release-upgrade -d, but it's broken now
[18:04] <nooooob> is 16.04 ready for mouse usage yet?
[18:04] <yacc_> \9, well, then the release notes lie, because they don't mention it's not available yet.
[18:04] <gronke> also I love how "Mydogsnameispercey" is considered a "weak" password
[18:04] <Pici> nooooob: mouse? why wouldn't it be?
[18:04] <hylian> i am running 1604 beta 2, what do i need to do to get just plain 1604 once it is released today?
[18:04] <nolsen> Heh, I been using Ubuntu way before it was even available for the public.
[18:04] <alkisg> gronke: in fedora too
[18:04] <nolsen> Ubuntu 16.04*
[18:04] <nooooob> Pici: because i cannot click with my mouse
[18:04] <\9> alkisg: I'm not so sure if that's really the right way to do it, since that also offers unstable builds
[18:04] <nacc> !final | hylian
[18:04] <Pici> nooooob: it should be.
[18:04] <minas114> auronandace, Can you send me a message so that I can see if it's working?
[18:04] <auronandace> minas114: greetings
[18:05] <hylian> nacc: thanks!
[18:05] <alkisg> minas114: here's a message: pidgin supports notifications as well :)
[18:05] <yacc_> \9, the release not claim that the GUI way (settings => software, but that does not open for me, no idea why) and do-release-upgrade are working, just now.
[18:05] <minas114> auronandace, Works! Thanks :)
[18:05] <nooooob> Pici: it worked before on nouveau, but after installing nvidia-current i cannot click in gdm nor in gnome-shell
[18:05] <or4n> yacc_: Not sure but you might be able to upgrade from iso.
[18:05] <minas114> alkisg, thanks, I'll try that too and see if I like it better
[18:05] <SuperLag> shouldn't "do-release-upgrade" present 16.04 as an option, from 15.10?
[18:05] <nolsen> Is the open source drivers better than fglrx when it comes to gaming performance?
[18:05] <yacc_> or4n, according to the Release Notes, nope: There is offline upgrade possibility.
[18:05] <SuperLag> nolsen: no way
[18:06] <nolsen> Then I guess I'll keep my 15.10 gaming OS.
[18:06] <yacc_> SuperLag, I'm on 14.04
[18:06] <nooooob> damn i was so enthusiastic about the release, now its unusable for me :-/
[18:06] <nolsen> nooooob: What's wrong with it?
[18:06] <SuperLag> nooooob: why?
[18:06] <nooooob> because i cannot click with my mouse on gui
[18:08] <yacc_> Ok, do-release-upgrade -d does it.
[18:08] <nolsen> Lol DigitalOcean still thinks I'm using 15.10 xD
[18:08] <yacc_> Just to mention it so the knowledge is shared :)
[18:08] <nooooob> i can see mouse clicks in "xev" but the gnome gui does not react to them :-/
[18:09] <alkisg> nooooob: does it work if you revert to nouveau?
[18:09] <nooooob> alkisg: nouveau got a load of graphics glitches and froze my box completely before
[18:10] <alkisg> nooooob: but did the mouse work there before the freeze?
[18:10] <nooooob> alkisg: yes and now i see not even "xev" sees the events sometimes
[18:11] <bulubuntu> hot to disable mouse acceleration
[18:11] <nooooob> alkisg: that is on nvidia-current
[18:11] <yacc_> So now, I'd want a do-release-upgrade --download-only option ;)
[18:11] <alkisg> nooooob:  Then it sounds like issues with the graphics drivers... that's why I don't like nvidia cards in Linux :)
[18:11] <nooooob> yeah graphics never works properly on linux
[18:11] <nooooob> :-/
[18:11] <alkisg> intel is fine
[18:12] <nooooob> hat a load of issues with intel too, hat to recompile from their git to get it working once
[18:12] <terminalrecluse> hello everyone, is there a way to see what packages are used by another, say: given package foo find all packages that list foo as a dependency?
[18:12] <nacc> terminalrecluse: apt-cache depends
[18:12] <nacc> terminalrecluse: and if you want the other way, apt-cache rdepends
[18:12] <alkisg> terminalrecluse: sudo apt-get purge package and cancel :)
[18:12] <terminalrecluse> ahh thanks!
[18:12] <nooooob> well i give up for now, booting my old 15.04, that works properly
[18:13] <nooooob> dang
[18:13] <nacc> nooooob: 15.04 is eol, you know htat right?
[18:13] <nooooob> yes but what should i do? its broken for me
[18:13] <nacc> meaning you are, by definition, running an insecure OS, working or not
[18:13] <nacc> nooooob: file a bug, as i mentioned in the other channel?
[18:13] <nooooob> ok thanks guys, have a nice evening
[18:14] <vooze_> So just upgraded to 16.04, strange issue in unty. Wifi works, but It wont "see" any networks, it can only connect to the one it remembers. And icon changes between ethernet and wifi icon..
[18:15] <minas114> vooze_, I too have a problem with WiFi... It does not work at all. I can only connect via ethernet
[18:16] <vooze_> minas114, did you upgrade or fresh install? Mine was fresh..
[18:16] <vooze_> The thing is noticed is the new restricted extras said something about WiFi, that was not the case for 14.04.
[18:16] <rektide_> uhh so my dist-upgrade from 15.04->16.04 stalled. java was the very first thing it tried to do in "Setting up" and it never came back
[18:17] <rektide_> this has all the makings for an amazing flop
[18:17] <nacc> rektide_: you can't dist-upgrade from 15.04 to 16.04, afaik
[18:17] <minas114> vooze_, I had upgraded to beta about 20 days ago and wifi was fine. But about 3-4 days ago (which ubuntu was still in beta), wifi stopped working and sadly it did not get "fixed" today.
[18:17] <nacc> rektide_: did you read the aforementioned URLs about eolupgrades?
[18:17] <rektide_> i did, it said to change my release and go. i did that nacc.
[18:17] <yacc_> Let's see how well that works out, doing a backup and a release upgrade at the same time :)
[18:18] <vooze_> minas114, yeah okay :
[18:18] <vooze_> :/
[18:18] <rektide_> i control-c'ed and am dpkg --configure --pending -a now. who knows if this box will make it through.
[18:18] <yacc_> rektide_, 15.04 => 16.04 is almost certainly not supported, AFAIK.
[18:18] <yacc_> rektide_, 15.04 => 15.10 is more probable.
[18:18] <rektide_> yacc_: yes well the update-manager wasn't running so i never got notice, and now it doesn't try to help me ugprade at all
[18:18] <nacc> rektide_: i think you made a misstep, it should have been 15.04 -> 15.10 -> 16.04
[18:18] <minas114> vooze_, sorry that I am not able to help, i hope you resolve your problem. You can ask in askubuntu too
[18:19] <rektide_> v0v it's just distros
[18:19] <rektide_> if ubuntu braeks it sucks
[18:19] <junk-cola> i was told there is booze
[18:19] <nacc> rektide_: uhhh?
[18:19] <junk-cola> where is the booze
[18:19] <rektide_> there is, after hours
[18:19] <boxmein> lol 16.04 announced
[18:19] <Pici> !party
[18:19] <boxmein> hype train!
[18:19] <vooze_> minas114, yeah, I'm probably gonna try reinstalled and not choose restricted extras, and take them after to see if that makes a difference.
[18:19] <vooze_> thanks anyway :)
[18:19] <yacc_> rektide_, you can always only upgrade one release step (short term support versions that would 15.04 => 15.10 => 16.04, LTS that's 14.04 => 16.04).
[18:19] <brainwash> !16.10
[18:19] <nacc> rektide_: not sure what you mean -- there are well defined upgrade paths
[18:19] <rektide_> wooo you read the ticker! party in #ubuntu-release-party
[18:20] <cryptomonk> Anyone having problems installing 16.04?  I can't get it to format my drive.  It doesn't auto build like normal. Having to manually partition and always breaks when I add drive to partition.
[18:20] <rektide_> the fact is, update-manager did not have anything to offer me, so i went off the reservation
[18:20] <rektide_> i'm not that afraid of this upgrade
[18:20] <rektide_> if update-manager had had ANY dist upgrades for me to do, i would've done them
[18:20] <le_pig> Doesn't update-manager wait until the first LTS point release to advertise?
[18:20] <nacc> rektide_: you stayed on a release that went out of support, there's not much the tools can do at that point
[18:21] <nacc> le_pig: for LTS -> LTS, yes
[18:21] <le_pig> nacc: right on
[18:21] <rektide_> nacc: when was the cutoff for update-manager support for 15.04?
[18:21] <rektide_> when was the upgrade available? november? december?
[18:21] <nacc> !vivid | rektide_
[18:22] <Dantey> why isn the update manager showing the update to 16.04 today?
[18:22] <nacc> Dantey: what version of ubuntu are you on?
[18:22] <alkisg> rektide_: I think you should still be able to upgrade from 15.04 to 15.10 as long as you didn't specify that you wanted only lts releases
[18:22] <Dantey> only upgrade from iso possible today?
[18:22] <nacc> rektide_: so you'll need to do what you were told, but manually to 15.10 first, then to 16.04
[18:22] <Pici> Dantey: What release are you on now?
[18:22] <nacc> rektide_: i don't think the jump will work, but i might be wrong
[18:22] <nacc> rektide_: (where jump is 15.04 -> 16.04)
[18:22] <Dantey> i am on 14.04 and have LTS updates activated
[18:23] <nacc> !ltsupgrade | Dantey
[18:23] <tgm4883> Someone should really add this to the !topic
[18:23] <nacc> tgm4883: :)
[18:23] <Pici> tgm4883: no one reads topics
[18:23] <tgm4883> Pici: I read topics
[18:23] <Dantey> ah ok so for now only way to upgrade is by iso?
[18:23] <rektide_> nacc: ok. i don't disagree with anything you've said, thanks for sticking at and helping me understand better waht efforts i needed to better budget in to running a devel ubuntu.
[18:24] <nacc> Dantey: not sure what you mean? if you're on an LTS now, you probably want stability, and should just wait for 16.04.1
[18:24] <nacc> rektide_: ack, sorry if i came across harshly, if you choose to stay on devel, just follow the regular release cadence and upgrade on every release (or stick to LTS)
[18:24] <cryptomonk> Anyone else having issues with the intaller freezing up?  8gigs ram, i5 machine, solid machine
[18:24] <rektide_> nacc: you've been good the whole time, ty
[18:24] <cryptomonk> on my 3rd reboot now
[18:25] <Eightynine> Hi. I'm thinking of trying Ubuntu 16.04. Please, tell me how much RAM takes Unity.
[18:25] <Dantey> ok so update routine is not ready yet only fresh installs possible for now?
[18:25] <tgm4883> Dantey: the policy is to not offer upgrades to LTS users until the first point release
[18:25] <cryptomonk> Datey if it works lol I can't get it to install keeps freezing up
[18:25] <cryptomonk> tgm4883: i know digitalocean VPS provider is waiting on .1 before rolling out VM's
[18:26] <Pici> Dantey: correct.
[18:26] <tgm4883> cryptomonk: sounds like a good policy
[18:26] <Dantey> could i force the upgrade?
[18:26] <Pici> Dantey: 15.10 to 16.04 upgrade path is open though.
[18:26] <Pici> Dantey: you could try using the -d switch to do-release-upgrade, but I personally will not be risking it.
[18:27] <Eightynine> Will it work goot and fast on my PC? I have a quadcore processor and 4 GB RAM and 120 GB SSD.
[18:27] <tgm4883> Eightynine: I don't see why it wouldn't
[18:27] <SuperLag> Nice. The upgrade shows a progress meter of sorts. Very nice.
[18:28] <dontknow> Eightynine, yes
[18:28] <l0llip0p> Eightynine: I think unity needs 800mghz ram?
[18:28] <Dantey> ok thx if its not clear if the update routine is working for 14.04 correctly i will wait then too
[18:28] <Dantey> cause it lots of changes cause of systemd
[18:28] <SuperLag> Pici: Dantey: I guess I'm living on the edge, then. :)
[18:28] <vooze_> Have anyone else noticed that 16.04 have an issue with networkmananger? After my laptops suspends and resumes It cant scan for wifi networks anymore (it just connects to the one it remembers, the list is empty/grayed out, I can run sudo iwlist scan just fine so its not the driver in the kernel, but networkmanager I think.
[18:29] <Dantey> Superlag you did the update 14.04 to 16.04 already?
[18:30] <SuperLag> Dantey: no, I'm doing 15.10 -> 16.04 as we sepak
[18:30] <SCHAAP137> Dantey, the upgrade for 14.04 -> 16.04 becomes visible when 16.04.1 is out, right? not directly
[18:30] <rektide_> vooze_: what laptop? my macbook pro is ok with suspend/resume, but i do have to systemctl restart network-manager sometimes between plugging/unplugging the USB ethernet cable
[18:30] <SCHAAP137> like tgm4883 said, next point release
[18:30] <Eightynine> I think 800 MB is much for me. But I have to check how much my current Gnome takes.
[18:30] <Dantey> Superlag 15.10 to 16.04 is no big jump
[18:31] <Dantey> 15.10 has already systemd
[18:31] <yacc_> Dantey, I'm currently doing a 14.04 => 16.04.
[18:31] <Michiel_> hi
[18:31] <ux2> hey
[18:31] <vooze_> rektide_, thinkpad x1 carbon with Intel Wifi, should really just work ;)
[18:31] <ux2> anyone here into sys/network admins?
[18:31] <Michiel_> can I update to 16.04 from the command line ?
[18:31] <Dantey> yacc you used the -d flag?
[18:31] <Dantey> michiel yes
[18:32] <Dantey> do-release-upgrade
[18:32] <Guest62961> that doesn´t work for me.. :(
[18:32] <Pici> ux2: this channel is for support only, if you want to discuss other topics, there is #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:32] <tgm4883> Guest62961: are you on 14.04?
[18:32] <Dantey> only works for 15.10 to 16.04
[18:32] <Guest62961> No new release :(
[18:32] <Guest62961> 15.10 unity
[18:32] <Dantey> that strange
[18:32] <ux2> ah
[18:32] <tgm4883> Guest62961: probably need to wait for your mirrors to sync I guess
[18:32] <yacc_> Dantey, actually, I'm running a backup, doing the upgrade (it's currently still downloading), and I guess putting a 16.04 image onto an USB stick would make sense, purely for safety reasons.
[18:33] <Pici> Guest62961: please make sure that you've run apt update recently.
[18:33] <yacc_> Dantey, yes.
[18:33] <ux2> ah
[18:33] <ux2> newnew release tonight
[18:33] <Guest62961> apt update, done
[18:33] <yacc_> Dantey, something that the release notes DO NOT mention that it's needed.
[18:33] <debug0x1> ux2: What release?
[18:33] <FamousNerdMan> I'm on 15.10 currently and trying to start the upgrade to 16.04, but do-release-upgrade claims No new release found. I checked into it and it seems to be hitting http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release to check if there's a new release available
[18:33] <ux2> debug0x1:  Someone said a new Ubuntu version/update will be out tonight
[18:33] <ux2> oh?
[18:33] <FamousNerdMan> and xenial isn't listed on that page
[18:34] <tgm4883> Guest62961: not your apt-cache, the repo mirrors that you are using
[18:34] <SuperLag> Dantey: that's excellent, then
[18:34] <Eightynine> So I checked and system takes about 637 MB on desktop. Can I install Telegram and IntelliJ IDEA on Ubuntu 16.04?
[18:34] <vooze_> rektide_, but systemctl restart network-manager worked, guess I'm gonna make a script.
[18:34] <Guest62961> Same here FamousNerdMan
[18:34] <Dantey> yacc_ i hope it will work :)
[18:34] <yacc_> Dantey, first time ever that I needed to increase my backup snapshot size => usually 5G are fine, but download + upgrade could get critically near to 5GB :(
[18:34] <DJones> Guest62961: I've got the same issues, using main server or uk servers, neither gives me the option to update, also from 15.10
[18:34] <yacc_> Dantey, why shouldn't it work?
[18:34] <FamousNerdMan> -d works, but I don't want to get the develop release
[18:35] <g4143> Ubuntu 16.04. How do you roll back Python to the version to Ubuntu 14.04?
[18:35] <Dantey> it a big jump the upgrade routine is totally diefferent from 15.10 to 16.04
[18:35] <Guest62961> write a cron script to do do-release-upgrade ;)
[18:35] <Pici> g4143: you don't.  Why would you need to do that?
[18:35] <yacc_> g4143, you don't, you might be able to install 3.4+2.7 additionally.
[18:35] <ChrisWarrick> Congratulations on the release!
[18:36] <Pici> ChrisWarrick: Thanks :)
[18:36] <g4143> I have a Vim setup which requires the older Python
[18:36] <ChrisWarrick> On a less serious note, where’s devuan: ubuntu edition?
[18:36] <cryptomonk> wtf the installer keeps crashing during partitioning.... any tips?>
[18:36] <yacc_> Pici, just a stupid bet, he does not want to rebuild numpy and so on in his virtualenvs :-P
[18:36] <Dantey> change inetd to systemd could cause lots of problems
[18:36] <Eightynine> What filesystem should I use? EXT4 or ZFS?
[18:36] <Pici> g4143: The only thing I can suggest is to use the deadsnakes PPA, but as with all PPAs they are not officially supported.
[18:36] <xpitr-> can you actually install to zfs yet?
[18:36] <k1l_> Dantey: it was already upstart before
[18:36] <Pici> g4143: (I've personally used them myself with no issues though)
[18:37] <Dantey> k1l_ not on 14.04
[18:37] <cryptomonk> ubuquity crashes everytime.. what a pos
[18:37] <xpitr-> i can only see ext*/btrfs/jfs/xfs and such in installer. no zfs. but zfs module is indeed there
[18:37] <g4143> Pici: I'll give that a try
[18:37] <k1l_> Dantey: sure 14.04 used upstart.
[18:37] <yacc_> Dantey, you meant init, inetd sounds like one of these network meta servers that accept a TCP connection and spawn the real server only then.
[18:37] <Dantey> ok but upstart is also not systemd
[18:37] <Pici> DJones, Guest62961, FamousNerdMan: I'm gonna bug a dev about meta-release, will see what they say.
[18:37] <FamousNerdMan> @Pici thanks
[18:38] <cryptomonk> fuck it , gonna install 14.04  this is a pos
[18:38] <cryptomonk> ubiquity doesnt even give an error message on crash
[18:38] <yacc_> Dantey, and? It was mostly maintenance free software before (I didn't play with it), and systemd should come up without configuration too.
[18:39] <ChrisWarrick> cryptomonk: tried running it in a terminal?
[18:39] <cryptomonk> yes
[18:39] <cryptomonk> in hopes it wouuld give error messages but it doesnt
[18:39] <yacc_> cryptomonk, or using the network installer?
[18:39] <ChunkzZ1> !isitoutyet
[18:39] <Dantey> yacc_ al script must be correctly converted to systemd
[18:39] <cryptomonk> dmesg neither
[18:39] <Dantey> that not trivial
[18:39] <yacc_> al script?
[18:39] <xpitr-> am i blind or the installer just doesn't support zfs yet?
[18:39] <cryptomonk> yacc_ using the 1.3gig iso
[18:39] <Dantey> needs a good correct upgrade routine
[18:39] <Dantey> all scripts
[18:40] <nacc> xpitr-: zfs is supported only for a datastore directory
[18:40] <nacc> xpitr-: iirc
[18:40] <yacc_> Dantey, yeah but I didn't customize anything in upstart, so what?
[18:40] <ChunkzZ1> quick question, can I use ubuntu's 16.04 with the server image? and only install what I want instead of unity?
[18:40] <xpitr-> shame, but thanks for info
[18:40] <FamousNerdMan> @Pici make sure they update http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-lts as well
[18:40] <Dantey> that doenst mention all scripts must be converted
[18:40] <nacc> ChunkzZ1: unclear what you mean? the server images/isos are versioned, so there is a ubuntu server 16.04 image
[18:41] <Pici> FamousNerdMan: will do.
[18:41] <ChunkzZ1> nacc, I don't want all the stuff that comes with the desktop image. I wanna use the server image but install the DE's etc and stuff I like.
[18:41] <ConkyDong> probably wants a headless server install, then slap a DE on it
[18:41] <codydn> is ubuntu.com down? It keeps timing out for me
[18:42] <jalt> ChunkzZ1: you can, but you can also use a normal ISO and the advanced installer to customize the DE
[18:42] <k1l_> codydn: works here
[18:42] <tgm4883> codydn: http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ubuntu.com
[18:42] <xpitr-> already using it for my /home (snapshots every 5 minutes kept for 60 min, snapshots every day kept for 30 etc :D) on once-beta 16.04, i thought new installer in official image had it
[18:42] <Pici> FamousNerdMan: actually it looks like meta-release-lts will only be touched in July when the .1 release goes out.  Still waiting for the dev in charge of meta-release to get back to us though
[18:42] <nacc> ChunkzZ1: what jalt said, the defaults between desktop and server are different, so you may have some trouble getting to a fully desktop-like epxerience (although the meta-pacakges will help, but then they'll pull everything it)
[18:42] <Bashing-om> xpitr-: Maybe ZFS is not the better idea : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2318903 . Takes a lot of know how .
[18:42] <ChunkzZ1> ahhh I see, thanks.
[18:43] <maxou88> wgy my capslock dont make numbers but &É"'(-È_ÇÀ
[18:43] <maxou88> why
[18:43] <FamousNerdMan> oh right - forgot the LTS upgrades only go out after the .1 release
[18:44] <Tegu> what about the netboot iso? does it fit ChunkzZ1's need? it's quite small and apparently fetches stuff from the internet on installation. not sure, though, does somebody know better?
[18:44] <codydn> tgm4883: Yeah I tried that. It seems to open partially but many parts of it just time out
[18:44] <ChunkzZ1> Tegu, yeah I'm gonna use the network installer. :)
[18:44] <Tegu> I mean this one http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/16.04/
[18:44] <codydn> I'm trying to get to the downloads here: http://gawker.com/giant-public-urinal-gets-smaller-public-urinal-1755908706
[18:44] <codydn> FFS
[18:44] <codydn> sorry wrong link
[18:45] <nacc> lol
[18:45] <Tegu> :D
[18:45] <ChunkzZ1> seems the servers are getting hammered lmao
[18:45] <tgm4883> codydn: if you are trying to get to the downloads, just use http://releases.ubuntu.com/
[18:45] <tgm4883> and use a .torrent file :)
[18:45] <berpcor|2> Hello, guys.
[18:45] <yacc_> Pici, so why the fuck does the release notes do not mention that?
[18:46] <tgm4883> ChunkzZ1: yep, business as usual for release week
[18:46] <tgm4883> !ohmy | yacc_
[18:46] <berpcor|2> Could you help me with apache?
[18:46] <yacc_> Pici, the release notes clearly mention upgrading from 14.04 is supported, ...
[18:46] <tgm4883> yacc_: they do
[18:46] <compdoc> whats a good torrent client?
[18:46] <ndqqdqwq> Hello.
[18:46] <Pici> yacc_: look closer
[18:46] <cryptomonk> transmission
[18:46] <ndqqdqwq> Transmission is good, compdoc.
[18:46] <k1l_> !ltsupgrade | yacc_
[18:46] <compdoc> thanks
[18:47] <tgm4883> yacc_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes#Upgrading_from_Ubuntu_14.04_LTS_or_15.10
[18:47] <codydn> tgm4883: Thanks, that one opened fine
[18:47] <tgm4883> :)
[18:47] <Dantey> yacc_ where have you read that the upgrade routine is already able to handle 14.04 upgrade?
[18:47] <ndqqdqwq> I have a bit of a problem. Admittedly, I got a bit too excited and upgraded to Xenial right away when I should've waited, but I didn't, and now my monitor goes straight into power mode on boot.
[18:47] <ndqqdqwq> Which didn't happen on 15.10.
[18:47] <ndqqdqwq> Any suggestions?
[18:47] <yacc_> tgm4883, ok, that leaves me with a problem.
[18:47] <ndqqdqwq> Sorry, *power save mode.
[18:48] <tgm4883> yacc_: which is?
[18:48] <yacc_> tgm4883, will it fuck up the system for sure, or only maybe?
[18:48] <tgm4883> omg
[18:48] <Gashh> hello
[18:48] <k1l_> yacc_: last warning on your language
[18:48] <yacc_> tgm4883, I really want 16.04 ;)
[18:48] <Gashh> the system settings don't work on 16.04 for me. how is the package called? so I can debug it
[18:48] <gronke> hey guys, so I just went from fedora to ubuntu mate. I have a yoga 2, and fedora auto supported me rotating the laptop into tablet mode. doesn't look like mate is recognizing it. what can I do?
[18:48] <Gashh> because gnome-settings-daemon doesn't work
[18:49] <Apachez> so I used "startup disk creator" to move ubuntu 15.10 live cd onto a usb drive (faster boot), but how can I add like swedish autocorrection to libreoffice in this livecd without use of persistent partition?
[18:49] <tgm4883> yacc_: look, I don't know the use case for your desktop, so I don't know how much you depend on it. Nor do I know why you need 16.04 so badly. However there are multiple ways for you to update
[18:49] <maxou88> somone can help me plz I use azerty keyboard for my laptop on ubuntu but my caps lock dont work like i want
[18:49] <compdoc> wow, mythbuntu 16.04 is already out
[18:49] <ConkyDong> just download the 16.04 iso and install
[18:49] <tgm4883> compdoc: why wouldn't it be?
[18:49] <ConkyDong> or upgrade to developer
[18:50] <ConkyDong> then update to 16.04
[18:50] <compdoc> fast devils
[18:50] <berpcor|2> I am using Elasticsearch. It contains Kibana. I  set up a reverse proxy (nginx) to allow external access to it (Kibana). But I can't start nginx because 80-th port in use. I've changed 'Listen 80' to 'Listen 8080' in /etc/apache2/ports.conf. And '<VirtualHost *:80>' to '<VirtualHost *:8080>' then I've restarted apache. After that I can't enter my site - ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED
[18:50] <tgm4883> ConkyDong: that doesn't even make sense
[18:50] <tgm4883> compdoc: flavors usually release at the same time as Ubuntu
[18:50] <berpcor|2> What is my mistake?
[18:50] <cryptomonk> Is there more than 1 release for desktop 64bit?  Is the 1.3gig the actual installer or network install?
[18:51] <Poster> berpcor|2: you mention Kibana and nginx, but the configuration sounds like apache
[18:51] <yacc_> tgm4883, because my (non-fucking) laptop crashes the drm kernel part on page flip when using the intel driver. Using bumble-bee does not work. because the newest nvidia driver supported by it is to old to support my nvidia card.
[18:51] <Pici> berpcor|2: did you restart nginx too?
[18:51] <tgm4883> k1l_: ^
[18:51] <tgm4883> sheesh
[18:51] <dontknow> cryptomonk, it is normal live iso
[18:51] <ConkyDong> would update-manager -d from 14.04 work?
[18:51] <k1l_> ConkyDong: yes, it would work
[18:52] <cryptomonk> Is there a command line only installer?
[18:52] <k1l_> ConkyDong: but people running a LTS wanting a new LTS would want to wait for july for the official upgrade
[18:52] <berpcor|2> tgm4883: No, I didn't restart nginx. After restarting it should use 80 port which is used by apache. But restarting apache does not make 80-th port free.
[18:52] <yacc_> k1l_, I especially said non. Taking care to use civil language. ;)
[18:52] <yacc_> tgm4883, using nvidia-prime, my laptop has a tendency to be a little on the warm side.
[18:52] <therealtbe> hi I installed a vm using virtualbox, it goes through the install fine, reboots, then says "The system is running in low-graphics mode".    Whatever I do after this just results in a black screen.  Any suggestions?
[18:52] <cryptomonk> because ubiquity keeps crashing
[18:52] <tgm4883> berpcor|2: so you have both apache2 and nginx installed? and apache2 is still using port 80?
[18:52] <berpcor|2> Pici: No, I didn't restart nginx. After restarting it should use 80 port which is used by apache. But restarting apache does not make 80-th port free.
[18:52] <geirha> the ubuntu-server install is cli
[18:52] <maxou88> somone can help me plz I use azerty keyboard for my laptop on ubuntu but my caps lock dont work like i want
[18:52] <k1l_> cryptomonk: there is the server or net-install iso
[18:52] <berpcor|2> berpcor|2: Yes
[18:53] <Linuxero> Hello everyone, do any of you use eclipse IDE?
[18:53] <berpcor|2> tgm4883: Yes
[18:53] <ConkyDong> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads
[18:53] <marcv>  
[18:53] <yacc_> tgm4883, reading experiences, I do have faith that newer drivers/kernels should help the issue, ...
[18:54] <Linuxero> I just installed Ubuntu 16.04 and Eclipse doesn't work very well... It's slow, and I can't run any code...
[18:54] <tgm4883> yacc_: so either install from ISO, or use -d
[18:54] <b18> Hopefully I'm not a broken record.. but I'm on Ubuntu 15.10 and not seeing the option to upgrade to 16.04 yet, is there something I'm missing or need to do? prompt is set to "Normal" in release-upgrades file.
[18:54] <b18> I can see the devel release if I run update-manager -d, but not the standard release
[18:54] <yacc_> tgm4883, I used -d => the question is what will it do to my laptop :)
[18:54] <tgm4883> an exercise for later (after meta releases gets updated) is if you allow 14.04 to look for all updates instead of just LTS, what does it offer?
[18:54] <geirha> it will upgrade your 14.04 install to 16.04
[18:54] <FamousNerdMan> b18: I think they know about that issue and they're trying to update the page that gets hit to determine if they're an upgrade available
[18:54] <yacc_> tgm4883, that's why I aborted the download with 1 minute left, so the backup can 100% finish before anything happens.
[18:55] <mave_> the upgrade to 16.04 wiped my /var/www/html dir and replaced it with a apache placeholder...
[18:55] <tgm4883> there currently is no devel release
[18:55] <b18> FamousNerdMan: Awesome, thank you!
[18:55] <yacc_> tgm4883, nothing, because 14.04 could only upgrade to 14.10 and that's to old?
[18:55] <tgm4883> yacc_: no, 14.04 can upgrade to 16.04 :)
[18:55] <tgm4883> the question is whether or not it would offer that
[18:55] <yacc_> tgm4883, currently it cannot, you need to use -d.
[18:55] <k1l_> tgm4883: but not officialy until july
[18:56] <whlai> 3 minute DL. Not bad
[18:56] <yacc_> tgm4883, currently, without -d 14.04 offers no upgrade in do-release-upgrade
[18:56] <owen1_> i have a script in ~/bin but i want to run it with sudo. the problem is the root user doesn't have ~/bin on it's path. what's the best way to deal with this?
[18:56] <whlai> ok, @k1l, I'm still stuck
[18:56] <tgm4883> yacc_: which is why I said it has to be checked AFTER meta releases gets updated
[18:56] <rafgas> wait what? xerial is only for fresh install untill july?
[18:56] <whlai> still stuck at Processing triggers for libc-bin (2.19-0ubuntu6.7) ...
[18:56] <tgm4883> k1l_: I think we could argue "officially" but I see your point
[18:56] <k1l_> !ltsupgrade | rafgas tgm4883 yacc_
[18:57] <ConkyDong> for non LTS upgrade is available
[18:57] <Linuxero> How could I know the Ubuntu version I downloaded?
[18:57] <rafgas> i fell tricked :(
[18:57] <rafgas> feel*
[18:57] <tgm4883> Linuxero: look at the version number in the ISO name
[18:57] <maxou88> ubuntu-fr
[18:58] <FamousNerdMan> I think they do the delayed LTS upgrade because it's mainly targeted at servers, and by the .1 release they have most of the bugs worked out so servers don't have to deal with as many upgrade issues
[18:58] <k1l_> linuxaddicts: "lsb_release -d" will show you the version you use
[18:58] <whlai> k1l_ - any advice on what I should do with this stuck installation?
[18:58] <rafgas> which is whack, an LTS shouldnt have any bugs
[18:58] <k1l_> whlai: i dont know, did you change libc stuff on that system?
[18:58] <rafgas> or atleast trivial bugs
[18:58] <ConkyDong> It's still fresh™
[18:58] <whlai> eesh. I wouldn't remember, honestly
[18:58] <tgm4883> rafgas: you show me code that has no bugs, and I'll show you someone who hasn't looked hard enough
[18:58] <k1l_> rafgas: no released code has bugs, well, in theory ;p
[19:00] <rafgas> what i meant was that if 16.04.01 is the version they feel confident releasing to servers, 16.04 is just beta3 then, and shouldnt be called stable
[19:00] <yano> my "Prompt=normal" in my /etc/update-manager-release-upgrades *but* when I do "sudo do-release-upgrade" it says "No new release found"
[19:01] <k1l_> yano: "lsb_release -d" gives what output?
[19:01] <Pici> yano: yeah, I'm poking some devs about it right now.  If you're on 15.10 you should be okay to use the -d switch.
[19:01] <yano> k1l_: "Description:Ubuntu 15.10"
[19:01] <FamousNerdMan> it's stable enough for desktop users, but many server admins generally want to be super sure they have a smooth upgrade path with no issues before they are comfortable
[19:01] <SuperLag> That was seriously _the best_ Ubuntu upgrade I've ever done. 15.10 -> 16.04
[19:01] <yano> Pici: ah, that works!
[19:01] <tgm4883> rafgas: I get it, but it will never be that way
[19:01] <SuperLag> No issues at all.
[19:01] <ConkyDong> It happens all the time, I've had El Capitan for almost a year and still no proper wireless printer support. better to give the new release some time to iron out creases
[19:02] <yano> Pici: thanks! :-)
[19:04] <jacobEo> Is  16.04 out?
[19:04] <jacobEo> Im doing sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade all the time, but seeing nothing....
[19:04] <pingwindyktator> hey! I just set up new ubuntu on vmachine and I;m about to try unity-8 but apt cannot find it. Any ideas?
[19:04] <auronandace|T510> !dist-upgrade | jacobEo
[19:04] <rafgas> Debian stable is pretty damn stable, just sayin
[19:04] <Bingo> Hi
[19:04] <tgm4883> rafgas: so it has no bugs then?
[19:04] <k1l_> jacobEo: that is not how you upgrade to a new release. use "sudo do-release-upgrade"
[19:05] <jacobEo> Thanks!
[19:05] <Bingo> The software-update-manager finally told me to get 15.10, and it began.  Then kinda quit
[19:05] <rafgas> tgm4883: don't be like that, you know very well what i mean
[19:05] <k1l_> rafgas: and what is with the other releases of debian which are released before "stable"?
[19:05] <FamousNerdMan> that won't work until the devs fix the meta-release page; you'll need to do "sudo do-release-upgrade -d" to get it to work for now
[19:05] <tgm4883> Bingo: can you pastebin http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release  We're wondering if it's showing 16.04 for some users
[19:06] <Fixo> I've just get 16.04 LTS, but I'm stuck in instalation, since there is no "/dos" and "/windows" mounting points! What can I do ?
[19:06] <k1l_> Fixo: what do you mean?
[19:06] <tgm4883> rafgas: well 16.04 is pretty stable too
[19:06] <ChunkzZ1> the servers are taking a beating, taking forever to install from the network. :(
[19:06] <k1l_> Fixo: that mounting points sound like custom mountpoints.
[19:06] <rafgas> ok
[19:06] <Bingo> tgw4883 - i cant access ubuntu except tty1
[19:07] <tgm4883> Bingo: how far did it get?
[19:07] <Bingo> ran a "Broken count error 0run-parts
[19:07] <Bingo> 90 updates
[19:07] <Bingo> error code 255
[19:08] <Fixo> I'm trying to install my dual boot ubuntu with windows, but there is no option to mount windows on "/windows" on ubiquity... I do this since forever...
[19:08] <k1l_> Fixo: you need to create that mountpoints yourself
[19:09] <Fixo> but it was aways there to choose!
[19:09] <k1l_> Fixo: i dont think so.
[19:09] <berpcor|2> http://pastebin.com/qmDAjAnH
[19:09] <Fixo> I do this since, idk, 8.04 ?
[19:09] <pavelz> brainwash: thankts, so it is /var/lib/dpkg/status,  thanks!
[19:09] <JimmyNeutron> What packages control the tab completion?  After installing the servers, when I type in "sudo apt-get dis<tab>" it doesn't do the auto completion.
[19:10] <Bingo> Failed to connect to Mir; .... update-manager :668  then got GTK : cannot open display
[19:10] <JimmyNeutron> meant server, not server
[19:10] <tgm4883> Fixo: in any case, why complain about the past and not just fix it?
[19:10] <JimmyNeutron> servers
[19:10] <Fixo> first I choose NTFS, then the mountpoint "/dos" or "/windows"
[19:10] <FamousNerdMan> JimmyNeutron bash-completion
[19:10] <EriC^^> JimmyNeutron: bash-completion
[19:10] <ux2> hey hows all
[19:10] <JimmyNeutron> FamousNerdMan Eric^^ , Thanks!
[19:10] <FamousNerdMan> np
[19:10] <Fixo> I don't know how to fix it... i think it was a Bug, thats why I'm here, friend! :D
[19:11] <tgm4883> Fixo: you were just told how. You need to manually create them
[19:11] <geirha> rafgas: No
[19:11] <sruli> i updated from beta2 to 16.04, splash screen issue is still there, i get no splash screen to enter luks pass
[19:11] <Fixo> how?
[19:11] <geirha> rafgas: err, sorry, was scrolled up
[19:11] <Fixo> after the full instalation ?
[19:11] <Bingo> tgm4883 what's that file you want me to find and send?
[19:11] <sruli> it was listed as a known ug in beta2 but its not listed now and i still have the issue
[19:12] <tgm4883> Bingo: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release
[19:12] <tgm4883> it's a URL
[19:12] <sruli> ug/bug
[19:12] <tgm4883> Bingo: just see if 16.04 is listed in there
[19:13] <viju> I am here for ubuntu 16.04
[19:13] <Bingo> no it aint
[19:13] <viju> Get me it
[19:13] <tgm4883> Bingo: interesting. Wonder why you got the upgrade prompt then
[19:13] <Bingo> i did download 16.04
[19:13] <viju> How long it's been released?
[19:14] <Bingo> upgrade was to 15.10
[19:14] <viju> Hours? Days?
[19:14] <k1l_> viju: what you want?
[19:14] <marexony> a backbox ubuntu
[19:14] <k1l_> viju: few hours
[19:14] <ux2> viju:  india?
[19:14] <k1l_> marexony: backbox is not supported in here
[19:14] <viju> A safe working torrent.
[19:14] <k1l_> !torrent
[19:14] <Pici> !torrents
[19:15] <marexony> backbox release ubuntu
[19:15] <Icedream> https://up.icedream.pw/2016-04-21_21-15-07.png
[19:15] <Bingo> wha? what is backbox?
[19:15] <k1l_> marexony: no. no backbox
[19:15] <Icedream> so what's going on?
[19:15] <marcv>  
[19:15] <Icedream> isn't it supposed to be available via do-release-upgrade?
[19:15] <ChunkzZ1> !isitoutyet
[19:15] <k1l_> Icedream: what ubuntu are you on?
[19:16] <_Trullo> rip prince :( http://radio.tmb.dj/gforceMP3.m3u
[19:16] <Icedream> also sorry if the link doesn't work, http://i.imgur.com/WpmPmUB.png
[19:16] <Icedream> k1l_, 15.10
[19:16] <k1l_> !ot | _Trullo
[19:16] <_Trullo> I know, but the man just died :(
[19:17] <viju> How do I check if my computer is  64 bit?
[19:17] <terratoma> _Trullo: true... but im pretty sure 110 percent of the internet is about prince dying right now.  nothing to do with #ubuntu !
[19:17] <Bingo> prince?
[19:17] <viju> I am using 32 bit ubuntu currently.
[19:17] <terratoma> so i install newest ubuntu... installer keeps trying to download packages from somewhere !  why cant it just use the iso
[19:17] <jalt> viju: most recent cpus (intel and amd) will be 64bit. almost anything after pentium 4.
[19:18] <Bingo> Yes.  I got this urge to slam a dvd into the ubuntu 14.04
[19:18] <slee> hello, does anyone know what happened with samba(client) over the past few days? today i rebooted box and can no longer log into a shared external HD, smb://blah blah sees the shared folder, but everytine i put name/password in(thunar) it just keeps giving me the login window
[19:18] <Bingo> question, should i slam a 14.04, or this new burned one?
[19:18] <Han> viju, read /proc/cpuinfo
[19:19] <Icedream> I just looked at http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-lts and http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release and 16.04 isn't listed there yet
[19:19] <Icedream> hence why do-release-upgrade doesn't work yet
[19:19] <k1l_> !ltsupgrade | Icedream
[19:19] <tgm4883> Icedream: yes, we're checking on it
[19:19] <tgm4883> and by we, I mean Pici
[19:19] <Icedream> k1l_, I don't use LTS on my server, I have 15.10
[19:19] <Pici> and yes, I'm still bugging them, trying to get the right person to do the thing.
[19:19] <Bingo> Pici - tell, them.. my upgrade call was for 15.10
[19:19] <MasterFX> I updated my ubuntu regurly ended up with beta2, but now I was trying to create a new bootable USB with unetbootin, but that program only shows the window title bar, and now actual program content...
[19:20] <Icedream> tgm4883, Pici alright thanks!
[19:20] <anomaly44> any idea why my brightness controls arent working? i see the icon and the bar appearing , decreasing, increasing but the brightness does not change
[19:20] <k1l_> Icedream: for the LTs upgrade that is intended. for the 15.10 upgrade that is a bug and its been worked on.
[19:20] <anomaly44> (using 16.04)
[19:20] <Bingo> So i guess 15.10 wont work on my pc?
[19:21] <k1l_> Bingo: for general chatter there is #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:21] <Bingo> kil_ I am asking, for help
[19:21] <Pici> fyi, just got a response back from the person responsible, they're working on it now.
[19:22] <Icedream> Pici, nice :)
[19:22] <k1l_> Bingo: what exactly?
[19:22] <Bingo> my 14.04 is down, cas update-manager went to get 15.10 and broke
[19:22] <k1l_> Bingo: i see you talking random stuff all the time. what is your exact issue and what do you need help with?
[19:23] <anom> hai. any idea when do-upgrade will work for folk in the uk?
[19:23] <Bingo> E: Error: Broken Count (as I said before)  90updates, wont boot display code 255.
[19:23] <Dave-Maydew> Can someone please tell me if Intel Skylake is now supported in Ubuntu 16.04LTS?
[19:23] <Pici> anom: soon. its being worked on right now.  (assuming you meant for 15.10 to 16.04)
[19:23] <k1l_> anom: there is a server issue. its been worked on, should be fixed in a bit
[19:23] <Bingo> Then used root, and saw failed to connect to Mir:... update-manager : 668
[19:24] <anom> yeah pici. Thanks
[19:24] <naviela> lan
[19:24] <naviela> yarram
[19:24] <k1l_> Bingo: that sounds like you made a mess on that system. so get a 16.04 iso and do a clean install
[19:24] <naviela> ASSAGDGSGADGA
[19:24] <Pici> naviela: please stop.
[19:24] <Bingo> on Advanced recovery boot, GAVE *Failed to start load kernel modules
[19:25] <anom> I don't suppose there is like a status page I could keep tabs on?
[19:25] <anom> for the uk server
[19:25] <Bingo> Sounds like Update-manager broke my install of 14.04
[19:25] <Pici> anom: as soon as xenial is listed at the bottom of http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release then you will be able to upgrade.
[19:25] <k1l_> anom: when http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release lists xenial release it will work again
[19:26] <k1l_> Pici: stop saying what i want to say ;p
[19:26] <vfw> Bingo: Did you lose internet connection during upgrade?
[19:26] <anom> thanks guys
[19:27] <Icedream> doing this while I wait for the update: while true; do clear; (wget "http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release" -O- -q |tail -n11); sleep 5; done
[19:27] <Icedream> in a terminal :D
[19:27] <Icedream> should maybe increase the sleep but whatever
[19:27] <Bingo> vfw - I am at tha library, no.. dunno cas no notices.
[19:27] <Dave-Maydew> I'm going to be installing Ubuntu 16.04 on a friend's new i5 and it's Skylake, and I've read that it wasn't useable in earlier versions of Ubuntu because of the kernel, just wondering if it's now working in 16.04?
[19:27] <evng> with ubuntu 16.04 my wifi signal meter is white instead of black using radiance theme, also it doesnt show that I'm connected to wifi but I am ...
[19:28] <k1l_> Dave-Maydew: should do
[19:28] <FamousNerdMan> they fixed it!
[19:28] <FamousNerdMan> thanks Ubuntu devs!
[19:28] <Pici> Dave-Maydew: keep in mind there is a note regarding a potential bug in the release notes about skylake
[19:28] <Bashing-om> davidcalle: Somewhat .. skylake ready .. read the release notes .
[19:28] <Bingo> yes, 16.04 is there
[19:29] <FamousNerdMan> and thanks Icedream for your script :)
[19:29] <anom> whoop whoop uk server up now
[19:29] <Bingo> kil_ so just burn a dvd and fresh install..?
[19:31] <ChunkzZ1> my 16.04 is installed, time to configure! :)
[19:31] <ChunkzZ1> bbs
[19:31] <yano> :-)
[19:31] <anom> good luck
[19:32] <anom> I hope my net doesn't crap itself while the download is ongoing
[19:33] <berpcor|2> Ive changed apache port to 8080. Now I can enter my site uxing mysite.com:8080 url only.
[19:33] <berpcor|2> I need to do it by using mysite.com
[19:33] <cokovskis> When do we choose if we want to use Mir in Ubuntu 16.04? During install or?
[19:33] <s3prio> http default port is the 80
[19:34] <Sebastien> berpcor|2, s3prio.  MOST ISP will block port 80 and 8080 from home, so you buy a commercial account to have a website from home.
[19:34] <b18> FYI the bug with not being able to do "do-release-upgrade" on 15.10 is fixed
[19:35] <destinydriven> k1l_, the upgrade seems to have worked. Thanks
[19:36] <slee> it appears the latest samba update(to fix badlock and a few other security issues) has broken the smb client in ubuntu, anyone else having this issue and if so, have you found a fix?
[19:37] <Bingo> aw mannnn, since this upgrade-manager barffed, I will have to back out files via terminal then install 16.04.  happy now?
[19:37] <mistralol> slee: it broke evolution -mapi and -ews as well
[19:37] <vfw> slee: nfs
[19:39] <Bingo> bye
[19:39] <Guest43436> Is anyone able to move windows between workspaces in Unity without it freezing?
[19:41] <Pici> mistralol, slee: it looks like there are some new bugs here, some have potential workarounds: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bugs?orderby=-datecreated&start=0
[19:41] <Guest43436> Unity freezes on me every time I move a window between workspaces in both 14.04 and 16.04
[19:43] <ma_ma> when i wanted to send message in #git ,it is saying you cant send
[19:43] <ma_ma> what should i do
[19:43] <ma_ma> can any one tell me clearly?
[19:44] <Pici> ma_ma: they require that all users be identified to freenode.
[19:44] <k1l_> !register | ma_ma
[19:44] <Pici> !register | ma_ma
[19:45] <ma_ma> what should i type in #git now? am new to this ..sorry to ask silly
[19:45] <Pici> ma_ma: did you follow the instructions that ubottu gave you above?
[19:45] <vfw> ma_ma: Register your nick
[19:45] <ma_ma> i need to register in browser or in xchat?
[19:46] <viju> The torrent is very slow.
[19:46] <reisio> viju: why not use an http download
[19:47] <Pici> ma_ma: in xchat, the url above has instructions.  If you need more help please ask in #freenode
[19:47] <viju> reisio, because I need to resume and there's more chances of getting lots of bad bits.
[19:50] <reisio> viju: eh, wget can resume :)
[19:50] <reisio> viju: what torrent are you using?
[19:51] <viju> ubuntu 16.04
[19:51] <reisio> Pici: freenode was more useful when people could talk in there :p heh (not a reflection on you, just saying)
[19:51] <reisio> viju: sure, which torrent?
[19:51] <reisio> from ubuntu.com?
[19:51] <viju> Yes
[19:51] <Pici> reisio: oh, I didn't think of that.  oh well.
[19:51] <reisio> Pici: neither did they :p the worse bit
[19:51] <reisio> viju: desktop, amd64?
[19:52] <evng> with ubuntu 16.04 my wifi signal meter is white instead of black using radiance theme, also it doesnt show that I'm connected to wifi but I am ...
[19:52] <Orphis> Is there any known issues with sound on 16.04? I just upgraded and it's not working well. I can play test sounds just fine, but Kodi reports that I'm mute (and then test sounds stop working). Same for when I start Spotify
[19:52] <viju> reisio, yes
[19:52] <Orphis> I'm just trying to get hdmi sound passthrough, and it was working fine before
[19:52] <vfw> Orphis: Laptop or desktop?
[19:52] <reisio> Orphis: did you reboot after your update?
[19:53] <Orphis> I rebooted my htpc a few times. Desktop
[19:53] <reisio> evng: IIRC some of the themes have both a dark and light theme; you might want the other
[19:53] <reisio> Orphis: how're you playing test sounds?
[19:53] <Orphis> It's a regular mobo with an i5
[19:53] <reisio> Orphis: you might temporarily mv any ~/.asoundrc you're using, if you are
[19:53] <Orphis> Sound settings > Test sound
[19:54] <Arte_> Hi.. does anyone have a little of spare time?
[19:54] <Orphis> reisio: I don't have any .asoundrc, default config was working fine
[19:54] <reisio> viju: blazing fast over here; must be your ISP or torrent client configuration
[19:54] <ice9> I'm upgrading from 15.10 and the upgrade stalls during installing packages! what should I do now because I don't wanna have unbootable system?
[19:54] <Orphis> But there are .pulse things, I thinking of removing those
[19:54] <vfw> Arte_: Yea *very* little.  ;)
[19:54] <reisio> viju: if you have peer stuff disabled for any other trackers you might use, that will not help (for this download)
[19:54] <BluesKaj> Orphis, maybe automute is enabled in alsamixer after your upgrade
[19:55] <reisio> Arte_: anyone on IRC is wasting time :)
[19:55] <reisio> Arte_: and therefore has plenty
[19:55] <arch> hi all
[19:55] <Arte_> :) I need help with setting my Wireless Chipset mode to Monitored from Managed
[19:55] <vfw> reisio: Good point!
[19:55] <Arte_> nothing seems to work and I am tired of trying like 11 different ways
[19:55] <reisio> Orphis: http://kodi.wiki/view/PulseAudio#Known_issues perhaps
[19:56] <BluesKaj> Orphis, intel audio doesn't need pulseaudio to work with alsa
[19:56] <reisio> vfw: I forget what all they're called, but you clearly know what I mean :p dht, automatic peer discovery, etc.
[19:56] <paracusia> hello, i can hear my hdd working but there is no load(iotop shows nothing) and there is also no smart-selftest running - hdd LED is also not flashing - what could that be?
[19:56] <Orphis> BluesKaj: I didn't see any muted lines in alsamixer. Where should I have a look for the automute?
[19:56] <arch> anyone switched to 16.04?
[19:56] <reisio> vfw: just don't screw up your ordinary config/forget to re-set, etc.
[19:56] <reisio> arch: I've been playing with the beta2 version for the past few weeks
[19:56] <arunpyasi> Hi guys, I get -bash: fork: Cannot allocate memory error, is it due to insufficient RAM ?
[19:57] <paracusia> arunpyasi: yes
[19:57] <k1l_> arunpyasi: yes
[19:57] <BluesKaj> Orphis, on the far left
[19:57] <arch> reisio: did you observe high memory usage after boot up. its consuming 1 GB ram on boot compared to typical 450 MB
[19:57] <reisio> arunpyasi: this some VPS?
[19:58] <BluesKaj> your other left ...far right rather , orp
[19:58] <arunpyasi> yes reisio
[19:58] <reisio> arch: not particularly; you're aware that unused ram is wasted ram?
[19:58] <arunpyasi> thanks :D for the help
[19:58] <reisio> arunpyasi: config issue on their end, I believe
[19:58] <reisio> arunpyasi: file a ticket
[19:58] <reisio> arunpyasi: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=682317 etc.
[19:59] <arch> Dont think that concept is completely true on linux
[19:59] <reisio> paracusia: which hdd, the one your OS is on?
[19:59] <arunpyasi> reisio: its of Digital Ocean VPS.
[19:59] <Arte_> Does anyone have an idea how to change wlan0 from Managed to Monitored?
[19:59] <paracusia> reisio: yes
[19:59] <reisio> arch: actually it's true, fundamentally, for any OS
[19:59] <arunpyasi> reisio: I am trying to run Magento on Ubuntu server in DO.
[19:59] <reisio> that which is not used is not used, it is not utilized, it is wasted
[19:59] <reisio> paracusia: does the OS boot up?
[19:59] <paracusia> reisio: yes.
[19:59] <arch> reisio: seems like a bug to me
[19:59] <reisio> arunpyasi: I think you'll need to contact them to "fix" it
[19:59] <BluesKaj> Orphis, sorry , my mistake ..far right
[20:00] <arunpyasi> reisio: Thanks :D
[20:00] <reisio> paracusia: so the only problem is you hear your disk spinning, possibly more than you think is normal?
[20:00] <paracusia> reisio: not just spinning, i hear it rumbling like its busy
[20:00] <Orphis> BluesKaj: Automute is enabled apparently
[20:00] <reisio> paracusia: okay, what DE
[20:00] <arch> reisio: looks like i am not alone https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1572801
[20:01] <BluesKaj> Orphis, then use the down arrow to disable it
[20:01] <Orphis> I did, restarted Kodi but same result
[20:01] <reisio> Orphis: http://kodi.wiki/view/PulseAudio#Known_issues
[20:02] <Arte_> Does anyone have an idea how to change wlan0 from Managed to Monitored?
[20:03] <Ben64> Arte_: what are you trying to accomplish
[20:03] <Arte_> Ben64: Uhm.. change the mode? :D
[20:03] <reisio> Orphis: near the section end
[20:03] <Orphis> reisio: Wow, there's actually a line for what could be my issue in little characters that isn't obvious at all
[20:03] <crs> Hey, is it possible to install zsh-5.2 on ubuntu 14.04? I cannot seem to be able to find a package for that…
[20:03] <ma_ma> i cant able to send message in other channels
[20:03] <reisio> Orphis: yeah sorry, I assumed you might read it :p
[20:03] <Ben64> Arte_: and thats it? turn the computer off, toss it off a balcony? job's done!
[20:03] <ma_ma> need more help please
[20:04] <Arte_> Ben64: Either you dont get the point or I dont get the "joke"..
[20:04] <yacc_> Ok, I'm starting 14.04 => 16.04 (LVM/LUKS root), and I promise to use nice language even if it kills the install, as I do have a full and current backup :)
[20:04] <Orphis> I scan through things, and if there's only one occurence to "kodi" in the middle of a paragraph, it's impossible to notice
[20:04] <Ben64> Arte_: the point is you need to explain what you actually want to accomplish
[20:04] <reisio> crs: 5.0.2 is available easily for 14.04
[20:04] <reisio> crs: to get 5.2, if such a version exists, will be work
[20:04] <Orphis> There should be a sub section "kodi on 16.04" to make it obvious
[20:04] <reisio> crs: but not impossible
[20:04] <reisio> Orphis: yeah that'd be nic
[20:04] <reisio> nice*
[20:04] <reisio> if it's an openly editable wiki (so rare these days), you might make that edit for them
[20:04] <arch> yacc_; may the force be with you!
[20:05] <ma_ma> is it possible to push the files in git into exisisting repositary which is already have some files?
[20:05] <MuliWRK> hey fellas, I've a panasonic cf-18, what would be the best version of ubuntu desktop to throw on this machine?
[20:05] <crs> reisio: Yeah, 5.0.2 is quite old. Would like to get 5.2 installed but avoid compiling it myself…
[20:05] <reisio> crs: compiling is nothing to fear
[20:06] <crs> reisio: I know :)
[20:06] <yacc_> ma_ma: yes and no. (Yes, and the way you phrase your question suggest that you mean something else then what the yes refered to)
[20:06] <Orphis> reisio: I've commented the module load mentionned, rebooted and no change
[20:06] <arch> MuliWRK: whats the config
[20:07] <yacc_> Ok, my phone also decided it wants an update :)
[20:07] <MuliWRK> intel pentium m 1.2ghz, 32bit proc, 512mb ram, 60gb hdd
[20:07] <reisio> Orphis: what if you disable 'Adjust Refreshrate to match video' ?
[20:07] <MuliWRK> i can max the ram out at 1.5gb
[20:07] <yacc_> Well, if everything breaks, I still have the tab and the Windows laptop of my wife.
[20:07] <Orphis> reisio: I'm looking for the setting
[20:08] <MuliWRK> yacc_, 14.04-4?
[20:08] <reisio> Orphis: heh, aren't GUIs fun
[20:08] <yacc_> MuliWRK, theoretically yes (Although I'm not sure about the GPU support), but practically you might want to consider one of the more light-weight variants?
[20:08] <MuliWRK> errm arch
[20:08] <MuliWRK> sorry
[20:08] <ma_ma> yacc :  am really sorry to ask , iam new to git
[20:08] <reisio> Orphis: can probably egrep -ilr 'adjust|refresh|match' ~/.kodi or something to find it fast in a text file
[20:08] <MuliWRK> suggestions for alternatives?
[20:08] <yacc_> MuliWRK, I'd say so, a fully updated 14.04
[20:08] <arch> MuliWRK: lubuntu would be good on this config
[20:08] <yacc_> ma_ma, #git perhaps?
[20:08] <ma_ma> yacc : yesterday i created one repo ..and pushed some files into it ,,again i wanted to push files into same repo from same directory in my machine
[20:09] <ma_ma> yacc : iam not able to send in #git
[20:09] <k1l_> ma_ma: register to the irc network. then make sure you are logged in.
[20:09] <MuliWRK> excellent, thank you for your input fellas
[20:09] <yacc_> ma_ma, could it be that you have not registered with FreeNode?
[20:09] <anom> Did PHP 7 get put into the latest Ubuntu?
[20:09] <k1l_> ma_ma: ask in #freenode for help
[20:09] <irgendwer4711> hi, I think, the blender netrenderer is missing in 16.04
[20:10] <Pici> anom: it did.
[20:10] <anom> awesome.
[20:10] <anom> 10% left of my download whoop whoop
[20:10] <anom> looking forward to finally moving unity to the bottom
[20:10] <arch> irgendwer4711: are you checking in software center?
[20:10] <ma_ma> k1l : when i send in #freenode also ,cannot send
[20:10] <irgendwer4711> arch: no, on disk
[20:10] <nolsen> anom: IMO Unity doesn't look good on the bottom.
[20:10] <anom> :O
[20:11] <Troy^> Hi guys just updated my ubuntu box via cli to 16.04 it is showing the release version. I'm trying to reboot the machien via cli. Although reboot is no londer a command?
[20:11] <anom> its annoying having it on the side with multi-monitors tho
[20:11] <irgendwer4711> arch: its an addon
[20:11] <Term1nal> Question, I'm not super savvy when it comes to kernels and setting up a linux system from base (which is why I use Ubuntu), is there perhaps anyone in the know that may be able to inform me if the latest version of ubuntu, with the new systemd bootloader, could support an IA32 EFI (no 64bit) system? I have a tablet that comes in such a configuration (Intel Atom Clovertrail), and have yet to be able to liberate it from the clutches of Windows.
[20:11] <k1l_> ma_ma: wait until they voiced you. but this site got the instrucions: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat/Registration
[20:11] <nolsen> Though Unity7 is terrible anyway, Unity8 is something I am looking forward to.
[20:11] <Orphis> reisio: Found the option, it was disabled. Still stuck :(
[20:11] <ArTe_> Ben64: Okay, im back.. it froze.. sorry.. did you say anyth?
[20:11] <yacc_> I think if Android included the version number of the update in the release notes, that would kill all the thrill of updating phones, ...
[20:11] <anom> what changes does unity8 have over 7?
[20:12] <nolsen> anom: New design.
[20:12] <anom> :O
[20:12] <k1l_> anom: its not used as standard on 16.04. its still unity7 with xorg
[20:12] <k1l_> nolsen: no
[20:12] <nolsen> no?
[20:12] <reisio> Orphis: might want to hit up the kodi channel, then, in the interim
[20:12] <nolsen> no what?
[20:13] <k1l_> nolsen: no = you are wrong
[20:13] <Orphis> Yay, it also segfaults kodi when I quit it...
[20:13] <Orphis> Such quality software
[20:13] <streulma> hello I have an old iMac 32bit EFI around. Should I boot Ubuntu 32bit?
[20:13] <nolsen> What are you talking about, I previewed Unity 8 before.
[20:13] <reisio> Orphis: you could also boot up a 16.04 install image, do 'Try Ubuntu', and install kodi and see if the audio works in the live environment
[20:13] <nolsen> The design is different.
[20:13] <reisio> Orphis: that would tell you if it's some legacy configuration you have that's to blame
[20:13] <nolsen> erm
[20:13] <nolsen> not design, theme.
[20:13] <Orphis> reisio: I literally had default config
[20:13] <streulma> the new Ubuntu is brilliant !
[20:13] <reisio> Orphis: it could theoretically be any number of deps' configs
[20:13] <Troy^> ciommand shutdown 'not found' why is that?
[20:14] <Troy^> i did a cli upgrade 14.04 to 16.04
[20:14] <Ben64> Troy^: sounds like something broke
[20:14] <ArTe_> Ben64: Okay, im back.. it froze.. sorry.. did you say anyth?
[20:14] <Ben64> ArTe_: still trying to figure out what you're doing
[20:14] <k1l_> nolsen: not really.
[20:14] <Troy^> Ben64: the cli upgrade made a new ssh port 1022 I can still connect to it. But is there a default password for it?
[20:14] <streulma> I had also with debian after an upgrade commands not found, had to do init 0
[20:14] <Ben64> Troy^: does /sbin/shutdown still exist?
[20:15] <nolsen> k1l_: ಠ_ಠ
[20:15] <streulma> Troy^ reboot: init 6 shutdown init 0
[20:16] <Troy^> Ben64 shutdown: /usr/share/man/man2/shutdown.2.gz
[20:16] <Troy^> Ben64 so no apparently
[20:16] <Troy^> I did a whereis
[20:16] <Ben64> Troy^: what? why did you paste that
[20:16] <Ben64> Troy^: just do "ls /sbin/shutdown"
[20:16] <theluckymike> when connected to wifi via dhcp, default route is with metric 600, how can I change this?
[20:17] <Troy^> No Ben64 it doesn't exist
[20:17] <ArTe_> Ben64: Okay, I dont really know how to be more accurate... Terminal *type* airmon-ng start wlan0 ... should start smth like mon0 or wlan0mon.. it does not because my wlan0 is set to mode:Managed and should be mode:Monitor but I am unable to change it...
[20:17] <Ben64> Troy^: that's bad
[20:17] <ChunkzZ1> So, ubuntu 16.04 network installer installs fine, but when it's time to boot, it stays at loading ubuntu 16.04 with 4 white dots then tells me about blocks and goes no further unless I press f1. what the?
[20:17] <ma_ma> k1l :thanks ..i am verified now
[20:17] <streulma> Troy^ try the init command
[20:17] <Orphis> reisio: Apparently, the kodi settings migration decided to mute in kodi
[20:17] <Orphis> reisio: And the "mute" option isn't mapped to my libcec remote
[20:17] <Ben64> Troy^: i'd recommend not trying the init command
[20:17] <Orphis> So it was quite stupid
[20:17] <reisio> Orphis: fixed?
[20:17] <Phantom_2040> ls
[20:18] <ZaZ_> first bug 16.04! the live installer icon still show 14.04.4 :P
[20:18] <nanaasar> lol
[20:18] <Troy^> Ben64: Yea it doesn't work anyways lol...
[20:18] <streulma> another bug, gdebi not working
[20:18] <Phantom_2040> Prince died at 57
[20:18] <ChunkzZ1> Phantom_2040, go elsewhere
[20:18] <streulma> and another bug, wireless not saved for first boot
[20:18] <ArTe_> Ben64: Okay, I dont really know how to be more accurate... Terminal *type* airmon-ng start wlan0 ... should start smth like mon0 or wlan0mon.. it does not because my wlan0 is set to mode:Managed and should be mode:Monitor but I am unable to change it...
[20:18] <ChunkzZ1> !op | Phantom_2040
[20:18] <Ben64> Troy^: seems likely at this point that if you reboot, it won't come back
[20:18] <Wulf> Phantom_2040: so? Elvis died age 42
[20:18] <Troy^> Ben64: i figured
[20:19] <streulma> and another bug, wireless recognised as LAN-network
[20:19] <Ben64> Troy^: do you have a log from the upgrade
[20:19] <Phantom_2040> Elvis not dead Wulf
[20:19] <Troy^> Bench64 apt-get doesn't work either it appears to be still being used
[20:19] <streulma> yet another bug, no 3d for menu's on the desktop
[20:19] <k1l_> !ot | Wulf  Phantom_2040
[20:19] <Orphis> reisio: Yes
[20:19] <Ben64> Troy^: so maybe it's still in the process?
[20:19] <streulma> no shadow
[20:19] <k1l_> ChunkzZ1: no need to call the ops for that. please tell the user to take the offtopic to the offtopic channel first.
[20:19] <nanaasar> how many of you guys uses vagrant?
[20:19] <Orphis> reisio: There's no button or menu option to unmute. You have to press a keyboard button only. Poor UI design
[20:20] <Wulf> !botabuse | k1l_
[20:20] <Troy^> Ben64: not exactly sure where the log is and perhaps it's still running waiting for input tbh. just not sure how to get back to it.
[20:20] <ChunkzZ1> k1l_, it's the same guy, no? the one you q'd earlier...
[20:20] <toeshred> Does Ubuntu use ffmpeg or avconv?
[20:21] <steveire> Hey, I'm having trouble upgrading. When I run the upgrade tool I get this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15972626/ How can I get more information about what the problem is?
[20:21] <Ben64> Troy^: did you run the upgrade in a screen
[20:21] <Troy^> Ben64: unfortunately no.. and what happened was my laptop went to sleep the one I was ssh'd from. :S
[20:21] <Pici> Ben64: fyi, do-release-upgrade spawns its own screen session.
[20:21] <Ben64> Pici: neat
[20:22] <Ben64> Troy^: then you should be able to ssh back in and open that screen
[20:22] <Troy^> Pici: yea it opened a ssh on port 1022 let me screen -r on this port
[20:22] <reisio> toeshred: Ubuntu uses what the Debian version it was based off uses
[20:22] <reisio> toeshred: Debian switched briefly to libav (avconv), but then back to ffmpeg, IIRC
[20:22] <reisio> toeshred: so it depends on which version you're using
[20:22] <ratrace> steveire: upgrading from which version?
[20:22] <reisio> toeshred: they're _mostly_ feature compatible, at any rate
[20:23] <toeshred> reisio: so 16.04 probably uses ffmpeg
[20:23] <k1l_> toeshred: it uses both
[20:23] <reisio> toeshred: that'd be my guess
[20:23] <steveire> $ cat /etc/issue
[20:23] <steveire> Ubuntu 15.10 \n \l
[20:23] <Troy^> Ben64: Pici: Doesn't seem to be a screen session with the installer
[20:23] <k1l_> toeshred: ffmpeg is included since 15.10 again
[20:23] <ratrace> steveire: huh, weird.
[20:24] <k1l_> !info ffmpeg wily | toeshred
[20:24] <reisio> is the libav package named libav-tools?
[20:24] <reisio> weird
[20:24] <Term1nal> (repost) Question, I'm not super savvy when it comes to kernels and setting up a linux system from base (which is why I use Ubuntu), is there perhaps anyone in the know that may be able to inform me if the latest version of ubuntu, with the new systemd bootloader, could support an IA32 EFI (no 64bit) system? I have a tablet that comes in such a configuration (Intel Atom Clovertrail), and have yet to be able to liberate it from the clutches of Windows.
[20:24] <steveire> ratrace: Right. The tool must somehow be determining that there is a problem, but instead of telling me what the problem is (conflicting package or whatever), it's telling me nothing. Is there some way to get more info?
[20:24] <Phantom_2040> whats up
[20:25] <k1l_> steveire: that stuff is caused by 3rd party repos and 3rd party packages
[20:26] <steveire> k1l_: The script disables those, right? Also, if there is a problematic 3rd party package, how do I find out what it is?
[20:26] <k1l_> steveire: "grep Broken /var/log/dist-upgrade/apt.log | nc termbin.com 9999"
[20:26] <k1l_> steveire: it disables the ppas but the ppa packages are still installed. and that maybe got depencies that the upgrade cant solve then.
[20:26] <steveire> http://termbin.com/pkik
[20:26] <jiggawattz> yo
[20:26] <jiggawattz> what's a xerus?
[20:27] <ratrace> some kind of a tree rat
[20:27] <dax> the first result on google for "xerus", oddly enough
[20:27] <ratrace> whowouldathunk!
[20:27] <jiggawattz> ah
[20:27] <k1l_> steveire: uh, that is a lot of broken stuff
[20:27] <steveire> k1l_: Lots of stuff there. I don't think I installed some ppa for kdepim or something.
[20:27] <jiggawattz> dax ▸ google is bogus for these answers
[20:27] <steveire> k1l_: Yes, I can't explain it...
[20:27] <dax> apparently not this time
[20:27] <reisio> hate, hate Debian/Ubuntu code names
[20:27] <reisio> serve no purpose but to confuse people
[20:28] <Troy^> Does anyone know where the log is for do-release-upgrade?
[20:28] <kevo_> Anyone there?
[20:28] <reisio> almost certainly within /var/log/
[20:28] <reisio> kevo_: sure
[20:28] <k1l_> steveire: "grep ^ /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* | nc termbin.com 9999"
[20:29] <kevo_> I'm having a huge issue with my 16.04 installs. Whenever I try booting live from USB to Ubuntu 16.04 or Ubuntu Gnome 16.04, I get some Busybox black screen stating errors about USB mounting or something like that?
[20:29] <kevo_> Is that a common issue right now?
[20:29] <steveire> k1l_: I just mv'd /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ to a backup location about an hour ago to get rid of it.
[20:29] <Wulf> kevo_: can you take a screen shot (or photo) of those errors and share it?
[20:30] <k1l_> steveire: :/ use ppa-purge to get rid of ppas, since that removes the ppa packages, too
[20:30] <stratos> press TAB
[20:30] <steveire> http://termbin.com/bkkc
[20:30] <stratos> and you get a menu
[20:30] <rektide_> i did an upgrade 15.10->15.04, trying to configure my display in unity-control-center gives me a "GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.gnome.SettingsDaemon was not provided by any .service files', anyone have suggestions?
[20:30] <rektide_> err ->16.04
[20:30] <kevo_> @Wulf Ummmm how?
[20:31] <ratrace> whit a smartphone if nothing else :)
[20:31] <Wulf> kevo_: I'm sure you know how to take a photo with the camera or a smartphone
[20:31] <rektide_> Xenial also was incompatible with arandr so i don't know what my fallback even is
[20:31] <kevo_> Okay sure and yeah I cant install the latest nvidia drivers with Ubuntu Gnome 16.04 its weird.
[20:32] <steveire> k1l_: http://termbin.com/n7ut is with the restored source.list.d
[20:32] <steveire> I installed ppa-purge, but I don't know what args to invoke it with...
[20:32] <kevo_> Wulf: brb with some links
[20:32] <Apachez> is it possible to set "Language for menus and windows" as a kernel boot paramter?
[20:33] <k1l_> steveire: uh yeah, those toolchain and xorg ppas are the cause
[20:33] <xet7> How do I install Ubuntu 16.04 with ZFS ? I don't see that filesystem in install options.
[20:34] <tiox> When do Ubuntu users receive updates through the software updater tool?
[20:34] <k1l_> !ppa-purge | steveire
[20:34] <safari> Hi! does anyone have experience with computer controlling milight/limitless leds?
[20:34] <steveire> k1l_: Ok. I tried this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15972805/
[20:34] <dean_> tiox: Whenever they are available
[20:35] <tiox> So I am on Ubuntu MATE< I should had receive them now, yes?
[20:35] <tiox> received it, the update rather.
[20:35] <Icedream> just here to say I successfully did the upgrade to 16.04, yay
[20:35] <ChunkzZ1> ubuntu won't boot -.-
[20:35] <dean_> tiox Do you mean an update to 16.04? Or just general application updates?
[20:35] <k1l_> steveire: well. look at http://termbin.com/pkik  and see where that packages come from. then remove that ppa /3rd party repo with ppa purge to have a clean original ubuntu
[20:36] <tiox> From Wily to Xerus.
[20:36] <tiox> Or Xeniel, whatever the codename is.
[20:36] <rektide_> ok, i have some custom userland stuff. i had to 'systemctl --user start unity-settings-daemon'
[20:36] <LinuxGuy2020> Ok so I'm really interested in these new snappy packages. Is it possible to install something from the repos or a PPA and then create a snappy of them to be easier to install on other machines or for backup on a server?
[20:37] <dean_> tiok I've always found the numbers easier to remeber :P It should be here for you now. Try running sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:37] <davido_> Looks like sticky edges maybe are no longer sticky after moving launcher to the bottom.
[20:37] <steveire> k1l_: How do I see where it came from? Taking the first in the list: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15972845/
[20:37] <k1l_> steveire: apt-cache show <package>
[20:38] <k1l_> steveire: or "apt-cache policy <package>"
[20:38] <dean_> tiox Check this out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes
[20:38] <steveire> k1l_: I just pasted the latter.
[20:38] <steveire> k1l_: It doesn't seem to come from a ppa
[20:39] <k1l_> steveire: its pssible that another bad package references that as a depencie in another version then
[20:39] <steveire> Ok, I'll try a few different ones
[20:40] <tiox> I think somehow I broke something then because I am using a version of the update manager that has notification support baked in, since I am not on Unity and wanted that feature from Linux Mint.
[20:41] <steveire> sudo ppa-purge ppa:paulo-miguel-dias/mesa Seems to be doing something useful
[20:43] <thesubroot> Hi everyone
[20:44] <thesubroot> I have a problem booting my ubuntu after upgrading to 16.04
[20:44] <Wulf> thesubroot: haha ;-)  Any more details?
[20:44] <thesubroot> It states that there is no file ordirectory /sbin/init
[20:45] <thesubroot> I did run fsck & e2fsck, same result
[20:45] <Wulf> thesubroot: try changing the kernel command line to use another init
[20:45] <k1l_> thesubroot: what upgrade was that?
[20:45] <styles> Hey, I'm using the AMD proprietary drivers and I have issues with apps flashing and not rendering sometimes.
[20:45] <Wulf> thesubroot: perhaps /lib/systemd/systemd or /bin/sh
[20:45] <thesubroot> Wulf: from 14.04
[20:46] <k1l_> thesubroot: how did you upgrade
[20:46] <styles> I can't really explain what I see but it's just... like the layer isn't there and what ever program was there is what this program shows for the UI.
[20:46] <Wulf> thesubroot: or create that symlink
[20:46] <Wulf> thesubroot: ln -s /lib/systemd/systemd /sbin/init
[20:46] <Ben64> Wulf: no
[20:46] <thesubroot> Wulf: I will try that.
[20:46] <Wulf> Ben64: why not?
[20:46] <Ben64> thesubroot: no
[20:46] <Ben64> because that's not correct
[20:47] <Wulf> Ben64: then please suggest something better
[20:47] <Ben64> i did. not doing that
[20:48] <Term1nal> styles: as to my knowledge, 16.04 doesn't have support for AMD proprietary drivers at current.
[20:48] <Term1nal> Or at least that was true for the beta
[20:48] <daniele_> Hi, guys, I have installed the beta of 16.04 in a server what can, I do to get the stable version?
[20:48] <thesubroot> k1l_: sudo update-manager -d
[20:48] <k1l_> amd dropped the fglrx for the new xorg versions
[20:48] <styles> Term1nal, I'm on 15.04
[20:48] <daniele_> Should I reinstall the server again?
[20:48] <Wulf> daniele_: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:48] <k1l_> styles: 15.04 is dead. upgrade asap
[20:48] <thesubroot> Ben64: Why it's not good?
[20:48] <Wulf> daniele_: should not be big difference
[20:49] <ouroumov> daniele_, sudo apt-get.... damned, ninjae'd
[20:49] <styles> k1l_, I just installed a month ago!
[20:49] <kilonux> Hello I need a friend to watch my boot problem, after physical accident, any experts here today?
[20:49] <safari> I've tried getting my rgbw led wifi controller working with scripts.  I've tried java, python and bash, all scripts give the same 'operation not permitted' when the script tries to send /dev/udp packets
[20:49] <k1l_> !final | daniele_
[20:49] <Wulf> kilonux: physical accident? Now you need someone to watch your boot? what?
[20:49] <Term1nal> styles: 15.04 is EOL, 15 (2015) 04 (april)
[20:49] <reveredge_> hey
[20:50] <vooze_> Should it be possible to connect to wifi from lockscreen? It says "Failed to add/activate connection, Insufficient privileges"
[20:50] <Term1nal> non LTS releases have 8(?) month life
[20:50] <thesubroot> I am stuck as all my work is in there :/
[20:50] <vooze_> (Ubuntu 16.04)
[20:50] <daniele_> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded., does it mean I'm in the stable version of ubuntu now?
[20:50] <styles> alright ill upgrade :-/
[20:50] <thesubroot> Wulf: Is that command safe?
[20:50] <ChunkzZ1> do I have to use the ubuntu display manager and the desktop enviroment?
[20:50] <Wulf> daniele_: when did you install it?
[20:50] <k1l_> daniele_: that means you are on final
[20:50] <daniele_> just now
[20:50] <reveredge_> I want to define a shortcut to change the width of window to 75%. How can I do it?
[20:50] <kilonux> Wulf: it says : reebot and select proper Boot device
[20:50] <Wulf> thesubroot: it's already broken, and the command can't make it much worse
[20:50] <k1l_> ChunkzZ1: choose the desktop you like
[20:51] <ChunkzZ1> k1l_, I want to use i3-wm
[20:51] <k1l_> ChunkzZ1: then use that
[20:51] <ChunkzZ1> and start it from startx from /.xinitrc
[20:51] <ice9> anybody encountered an issue while upgrading to xenial about libgconf-2-4?
[20:51] <Wulf> kilonux: is your hard drive broken?
[20:51] <k1l_> ChunkzZ1: better use a *dm
[20:51] <ChunkzZ1> k1l_, I would, if it booted.
[20:51] <kilonux> I dont think so
[20:51] <kilonux> i booted on a live usb stick and it is recogniced
[20:52] <thesubroot> Ben64: can you please tell me what wrong with manually symlinking the init file?
[20:52] <Ben64> thesubroot: there's probably a lot more going on, but go for it
[20:52] <deadlyninja> im using default ubuntu 16.04, how can i edit my mouse acceleration curve and stop the mouse from sticking at screen edges
[20:52] <kilonux> Wulf:  Gparted flags is as boot
[20:52] <LinuxGuy2020> Are there any official tools to convert a set of debs to a snappy package with all dependencies combined into it?
[20:53] <Wulf> kilonux: perhaps no boot loader like grub installed
[20:53] <kilonux> it was , untill it fell on the floor
[20:53] <ChunkzZ1> k1l_, I don't want to use a dm though. I don't like the dm's or de's
[20:53] <ChunkzZ1> :/
[20:53] <Wulf> kilonux: buy a new hard drive ;P
[20:54] <Eightynine> Switched from Manjaro Gnome to Ubuntu 16.04. Guys you did great job. Thank you. The best Ubuntu I ever tried.
[20:54] <kilonux> even if Gparted flags it ok?
[20:55] <Term1nal> LinuxGuy2020: deb2snap ?
[20:55] <Term1nal> https://launchpad.net/deb2snap
[20:55] <reveredge_> I want to define a shortcut to change the width of window to 75%. How can I do it?
[20:55] <LinuxGuy2020> Term1nal: Have you used deb2snap?
[20:55] <Term1nal> https://github.com/mikix/deb2snap
[20:55] <Term1nal> better page
[20:55] <pajam_> @Wulf are you available?
[20:55] <k1l_> ChunkzZ1: do what you want. but that is not the standard ubuntu setup and might have issues due to the way ubuntu is build around using a dm and drop sudo privileges
[20:55] <Term1nal> LinuxGuy2020: no, I just googled it
[20:55] <Wulf> pajam_: yup
[20:56] <spikebike> 16.04 upgrade says open the "software & udpates" in system settings, anyone know what it's actually called?
[20:56] <spikebike> (for 14.04)
[20:56] <k1l_> !ltsupgrade | spikebike
[20:56] <pajam_> Wulf: This is kevo. I'm unable to send pics unfortunately but I can tell you exactly what it says.
[20:56] <spikebike> kil_ so https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes#Upgrading_from_Ubuntu_14.04_LTS_or_15.10 is wrong?
[20:56] <Neepu> Hi. Do anyone have issues with installing .deb files in Ubuntu 16.04? Unable to install steam, vivaldi, and other software.
[20:56] <spikebike> ah, heh, they do mention it, sorry
[20:57] <Eightynine> Is there any chat program in 16.04?
[20:57] <Wulf> Neepu: broken dependencies in 3rd party packages? you may have to fix them manually
[20:57] <k1l_> spikebike: yep.
[20:57] <k1l_> Eightynine: the same as before. like hexchat
[20:57] <spikebike> kil_ that will teach me to read the google summary card for upgrading ;-)
[20:57] <Neepu> Wulf maybe, don't know as there are no errors given.
[20:57] <rekoil> is it possible to use systemd-boot with ubuntu in 16.04?
[20:58] <Eightynine> I searched in Dash and couldn't find it. Maybe I should install it?
[20:58] <rekoil> i mean, and have it keep up with kernel upgrades
[20:58] <Wulf> Neepu: no error but there are issues?!
[20:58] <rekoil> obviously i can set it up myself
[20:58] <pajam_> Wulf: [8.194086] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: gr: failed to load fecs_inst
[20:58] <rekoil> but i want it to track updated kernels
[20:58] <Neepu> Gnome software center rejects installing, without errors.
[20:59] <pajam_> Wulf: (initramfs) mount: mounting /dev/sdc1 on /casper-rw-backing failed: Device or resource busy
[20:59] <pajam_> Wulf: mounting /dev/loop0 on //filesystem.squashfs failed: No such device
[21:00] <ChunkzZ1> k1l_, really? so what does the server image do!?
[21:00] <ChunkzZ1> sure that's headless
[21:00] <pajam_> Wulf: Can not mount /dev/loop0 (/cdrom/casper/filesystem.squashfs) on //filesystem.squashfs
[21:00] <k1l_> ChunkzZ1: what got the server image to do with that? that doesnt have a dm or desktop at all.
[21:01] <Wulf> pajam_: sounds not good. But no idea why that happens. Sorry
[21:01] <Eightynine> Neepu: I've heard about that program. If you are installing downloaded package use Gdebi.
[21:01] <ChunkzZ1> k1l_, forget I said anything.
[21:01] <pajam_> Wulf: It says that no matter what flavor of 16.04 I install. Never had an issue with 15.10 installs. I have a Asus X99-A and Intel i7 5820K with Nvidia GTX 980.
[21:02] <ChunkzZ1> I should be able to use ubuntu without the hog unity or a display manager imo.
[21:03] <k1l_> ChunkzZ1: if you dont like unity install any other desktop that ubuntu ships. not need  to make a drama out of that. there are even isos shipping different desktops on the ubuntu base called "flavors"
[21:03] <ChunkzZ1> I'm not stupid.
[21:03] <ChunkzZ1> :/
[21:03] <k1l_> *sigh*
[21:03] <Eightynine> ChunkzZ1: you're right Unity is hog but it's pretty handy. Developers should optimize it though.
[21:04] <jastiv> should I uninstall pulseaudio?
[21:04] <ChunkzZ1> *sigh* indeed
[21:04] <ChunkzZ1> Eightynine, it's bad, because my laptop is a only a dual core 1ghz and 2gb ram. unity would fry it lmao
[21:04] <k1l_> ChunkzZ1: then dont use unity. why are you making a drama?
[21:05] <spikebike> upgrade-manager -d it is.
[21:05] <ChunkzZ1> k1l_, dude, have you read anything I said?!
[21:05] <k1l_> spikebike: stop
[21:05] <jastiv> so do I need pulse audio or not?
[21:05] <daniele_> is there a version of ubuntu server 16.04 for raspberry armhf?
[21:05] <ChunkzZ1> daniele_, I want to know that too!
[21:05] <spikebike> k1l_: why?
[21:05] <Eightynine> ChunkzZ1: maybe try MATE?
[21:05] <k1l_> spikebike: be aware the -d is for "developer" and that its not officially opened yet to upgrade to 16.04 from 14.04.
[21:06] <ChunkzZ1> Eightynine, nah, I like i3-wm
[21:06] <spikebike> k1l_: ya, I'll reinstall if needed
[21:06] <ChunkzZ1> thanks though
[21:06] <k1l_> ChunkzZ1: i have read all your false statements and ramblings, yes.
[21:06] <studio_> Hi.
[21:06] <k1l_> spikebike: ok. just to make sure you know about that :)
[21:06] <daniele_> ubuntu mate is kind of desktop version I think
[21:06] <ChunkzZ1> k1l_, well if you read what I said, I install the base package and reboot, everything is updated and ubuntu won't boot. how is that false?!
[21:06] <spikebike> xfce is nice and light if that's what you are looking for
[21:06] <Eightynine> That damn KiwiIRC hangs Firefox.
[21:07] <lai> got 16.04 up and running. Can someone tell me how PAM is different here? I have a pam_mount.conf.xml file from 14.04 that I would expect to place in /etc/security but there is no xml file there/
[21:07] <spikebike> personally I like unity, there's about 4 things I hate about it, but are easily removed/configured
[21:07] <ChunkzZ1> spikebike, it's a resource hog
[21:07] <k1l_> ChunkzZ1: you did not talk about that since 17 mintes.
[21:07] <studio_> elementary-os desktop all the way!
[21:07] <ChunkzZ1> minutes*
[21:07] <Eightynine> I hate that it's hog and badly customizable. That's it.
[21:07] <ChunkzZ1> lmfao
[21:08] <ChunkzZ1> k1l_, and you're an op here, how?
[21:08] <spikebike> ChunkzZ1: unless you are severly RAM constrained (if so you should spend another $20 on ram), I don't see it using a noticeable fraction of ram or cpu
[21:08] <Eightynine> Whats wrong?
[21:08] <pajam_> At least you guys can get to the install screen hahaha
[21:08] <spikebike> sure xfce is lighter, go for it
[21:08] <vooze_> Should it be possible to connect to wifi from lockscreen? It says "Failed to add/activate connection, Insufficient privileges" (ubuntu 16.04)
[21:08] <ChunkzZ1> spikebike, my ram is soldered on-to my mobo, I already thought of that. :p
[21:09] <spikebike> ChunkzZ1: yeah, sadly that's common on low end, fortunately I manage to find a haswell based chromebox with 2 dimm slots
[21:09] <k1l_> ChunkzZ1: any more rantings about unity or attitude against other users and thats it.
[21:09] <spikebike> hell of a system for $150
[21:09] <Eightynine> XFCE is not so light. For me it took 14% RAM while KDE5 took 15%. But it's definitely lighter than KDE4.
[21:09] <ChunkzZ1> spikebike, I only paid £40 so all is good. :)
[21:09] <spikebike> xfce: there's more to lighter than ram
[21:09] <lai> @k1l, do you know what's up with pam?
[21:10] <spikebike> opps Eightynine rather
[21:10] <ChunkzZ1> are we allowed to /ignore ops?
[21:10] <lai> don't know where to put my pam_mount.conf.xml in 16.04
[21:10] <ChunkzZ1> just curious...
[21:10] <Eightynine> I gave about 500$ for my PC in 2012
[21:10] <Wulf> ChunkzZ1: yes, please do. At least that's better than pointless and stupid arguments with ops.
[21:10] <lai> got 16.04 up and running. Can someone tell me how PAM is different here? I have a pam_mount.conf.xml file from 14.04 that I would expect to place in /etc/security but there is no xml file there
[21:10] <spikebike> xfce impressed me when I could click open terminal 4 times as fast as I coudl, and by the time I released the button all 4 were mapped
[21:10] <pajam_> Anyone available to help me get to the install screen of Ubuntu 16.04? I keep running into BbusyBox (initramfs) usb 3-3: device descriptor read/8, error -110
[21:11] <ChunkzZ1> k1l_, I don't mean any harm, it's just irritating
[21:11] <ChunkzZ1> or however you spell it
[21:11] <pajam_> Unable to find a medium containing a live file system.
[21:11] <Eightynine> I have no idea what is PAM.
[21:11] <mave_> seriously?
[21:11] <gronke_> so, I just switched from fedora to ubuntu mate on my yoga 2. the yoga has the ability to go portrait mode when I turn it on its side. this was supported in fedora but not in MATE. do I need to install or configure something?
 pam lets you mount things like samba shares
[21:12] <Eightynine> Is there better app than HexChat? Maybe I should try Polari?
[21:12] <lai> and will mount the right shares depending on the user groups and permissions
[21:12] <appteam> Blankscreen with White Cursor. I think I installed Grub to the wrong partition on 16.04. Is the easiest way to fix this with BootRepairLinux?
[21:12] <spikebike> heh, pam is much mroe than that
 hexchat is quite great
[21:12] <spikebike> but yeah normal users don't need to be particularly aware of pam
[21:12] <Eightynine> So PAM is for servers?
 there's also KVIRC
[21:12] <yago> Hi guys! I'm trying to make a clean install of encrypted Ubuntu alongside a Windows partition. What I want is Ubuntu encrypted, asking for password when chosen in GRUB, and a normal non-encrypted Windows. However, I've seen an Ask Ubuntu answer saying that it wasn't possible, and another one saying that it is (with some steps on how to do it: http://askubuntu.com/a/293029/477290). Who should I trust?
 no. pam is for the client
[21:13] <spikebike> no pam is for all linux, it's how you can control auth for things like logins, ssh, file shares, 2 factor auth, screen locking, etc.
[21:13] <Eightynine> KVIRC is pretty good but it's for KDE.
[21:13] <Wulf> yago: I assume that it is possible
[21:13] <HomelessSanta> Hello all, I recently installed Ubuntu 16.04 and noticed within the Software Center no packages seem to inside the program itself. I cannot install VIM or various other packages.
[21:13] <Wulf> yago: but encryption and grub passwords are different things!
 any idea where to put the xml for mounts in 16.04?
[21:13] <lai> i don't see the config file in /etc/security
[21:13] <spikebike> lai: sorry no smb here
[21:14] <yago> Wulf: by password I meant the one required to unencrypt the drive, before being able to enter your user password
[21:14] <spikebike> lai: nfs and related I should be tinkering with in a few minutes
[21:14] <lai> good luck
[21:14] <uglyhammer> Hi. I've updated to 16.04 but don't see the new GNOME Software Center, but the Ubuntu Software Center still exists.
[21:14] <Wulf> yago: then it's no problem at all. But it's not 100% secure
[21:15] <Wulf> yago: the windows installation (or some program running on it) might tamper with your ubuntu, breaking the security
[21:15] <Eightynine> lai: can you please tell me how to put nickname into message in HexChat?
[21:15] <lai> yago, I think the feature is FDE (full disk encryption_
[21:15] <lai> meaning you may be encrypting the partition w windows
[21:16] <trevor_s> any reason why i wouldn't be able to mount a windows SMB share on ubuntu 14?  i have windows firewall off
 copy paste?
[21:16] <trevor_s> the windows machine can ping the ubuntu box fine
[21:16] <k1l_> Eightynine: type the beginning of the name, then press tab key
[21:16] <trevor_s> ubuntu cant ping windows though
[21:16] <Eightynine> Thank you
[21:16] <Wulf> trevor_s: firewall in windoze
[21:16] <trevor_s> Wulf, i turned off the windows firewall service
[21:16] <uglyhammer> And there is another strange new behaviour: There are no Ubuntu specific package sources in the list. Is this normal?
 how are you trying to mount?
[21:16] <Wulf> trevor_s: then ping should work
[21:17] <yago> Wulf: how could Windows read Ubuntu's data if it's encrypted? Sorry, I'm a bit unexperienced in encrypting drives
[21:17] <lai> yago, I think Wulf is wrong on that
[21:17] <Wulf> yago: install a key logger
[21:17] <trevor_s> Wulf, i know
[21:17] <akik> lai: does that pam_mount use the entered password when connecting the smb/cifs mount?
[21:17] <trevor_s> its messed up
[21:17] <lai> If you encrypt the drive, you're encrypting the entire drive, methink
[21:17] <yago> lai: That would fullfill my needs too, entering the encryption key to enter Windows, too
[21:17] <Wulf> lai: no.
[21:17] <lai> and you need grub to decrypt
[21:18] <lai> no?
[21:18] <lai> it's not FDE?
[21:18] <trevor_s> lai, mount.cifs //share /mnt
[21:18] <Wulf> lai: grub can't encrypt windows
[21:18] <trevor_s> lai, i even tried mount -t from root account
[21:18] <Wulf> lai: grub can't encrypt at all I think
[21:18] <dbarros> what happened to persistent settings on Start Up Disk Creator on 16.04, is it gone?
[21:18] <trevor_s> i keep getting mount error(115): operation now in progress
 you said you couldn't ping the samba server though?
[21:19] <trevor_s> lai, the samba server is a windows 10 box sharing a folder
[21:19] <lai> Wulf: grub to DECRYPT
[21:19] <Wulf> lai: neither can it decrypt. It's a boot loader.
[21:19] <trevor_s> lai, i would imagine since i cant even ping it... thats an issue
 and you can't ping?
[21:19] <trevor_s> lai, no, i cant ping it
[21:19] <lai> wulf, where do you enter your password to decrpyt?
 have you tried to ping with another window's machine?
[21:20] <Wulf> lai: grub starts linux and a initrd. There I enter my password
[21:20] <trevor_s> lai, negative
[21:20] <trevor_s> lai, i should do that
[21:20] <lai> wulf, you're in grub to give you password to decrpyt
[21:20] <Wulf> lai: I just found http://www.pavelkogan.com/2014/05/23/luks-full-disk-encryption/  But I've never seen that in the wild.
 might be a good exercise
 so if you FDE, you're encrypting the Windows partition. How to you decrypt to boot into Windows?
[21:22] <uglyhammer> After I've upgraded to 16.04 there are no more Ubuntu specific package lists. Is this normal?
 your understanding is that you decrypt and then choose where to boot from?
[21:22] <k1l_> uglyhammer: what do you mean?
[21:22] <lai> i actually don't know the mechanics as I've not done FDE with dual boot
[21:22] <Eightynine> I found that Polari is better than HexChat. It's bad that I haven't try it before.
[21:22] <ObviousNewbie> Hi.  I have been using ubuntu for about three months now  - love it.  Heard that there is a new version released, when should I expect to get it?
[21:23] <Wulf> lai: when speaking to people, don't use <foo>, as this looks like you're quoting what they said earlier.
[21:23] <k1l_> ObviousNewbie: what is the output of "lsb_release -d" in terminal?
[21:23] <appteam> ObviousNewbie, http://omgubuntu.co.uk
[21:23] <lai> werd. it's from middle clicking with your name highlighted
[21:23] <appteam> ObviousNewbie, has some good info on where to start
[21:24] <ObviousNewbie> kll Ubuntu 15.10
[21:24] <lai> k1l: any place where I can find out info on pam in 16.04?
[21:24] <Wulf> lai: I have never seen *full* disc encryption either.
[21:24] <lai> really?
[21:24] <k1l_> lai: i am not familiar with pam, sorry
[21:24] <yago> Wulf, lai, I've been reading what you guys have been saying, and if what lai says is possible, how can Windows "understand" what's in the drive, if it's encrypted by Ubuntu?
[21:25] <k1l_> ObviousNewbie: run the update-manager. it should prompt you the upgrade
[21:25] <Wulf> yago: windows won't get encrypted by ubuntu. Period.
[21:25] <uglyhammer> k1l_: Before the ugrade there were many package lists for Ubuntu Wily Werwolf listet. But now there is not a single one.
[21:25] <Wulf> and grub isn't encrypted and (usually) the linux kernel and initrd aren't either
[21:25] <lai> yago: wulf may be right. I assumed that it was FDE
[21:25] <k1l_> uglyhammer: i dont understand what package lists you mean? where are those lists? inside a program?
[21:25] <lai> maybe I'm wrong
[21:26] <yago> Wulf: Alright, thanks for the clarification. So, as I see it, the only chance I have, is to keep encrypted ONLY Ubuntu's partition, right?
[21:26] <Wulf> yago: yes. But you won't be given the choice to encrypt windows anyway.
[21:26] <lai> you can encrypt the windows side as well through windows
[21:27] <uglyhammer> k1l_: I mean this list: http://itsfoss.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Software-Sources-Ubuntu-13.04.jpeg
[21:27] <yago> lai: yeah, but I don't mind having Windows unencrypted
[21:27] <k1l_> uglyhammer: so you mean 3rd party software?
 lai: I have never seen *full* disc encryption either.  ---- check out dm_crypt
[21:28] <k1l_> uglyhammer: if you mean PPAs it depends on if the ppa maintainer already included packages for 16.04 already.
[21:28] <uglyhammer> k1l_: No, third party software is listet as it should be, but there are no package lists for 16.04 listet.
[21:28] <gfodranoel> Hello friends! All satisfied with the version 16.04?
[21:28] <yago> What I don't seem to understand is (in terms of security) the difference between partition encryption and FDE
[21:28] <uglyhammer> k1l_: But before the upgrade there were many of them for 15.10.
[21:28] <pedrito> yago: most of the system is not actually designed with privacy in mind, you see
[21:28] <pedrito> yago: things are stored in /tmp/, are stored in ram
[21:29] <pedrito> yago: data creeps out
[21:29] <pajam_> https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/4fv8dw/ubuntu_1604_major_problem_help/
 so far so good. but can't figure out where to configure pam
[21:29] <pedrito> yago: however, for most purposes, there will be no actual difference
[21:29] <gronke_> is there anyone here who can help me with a simple shell scripting question?
[21:29] <pedrito> yago: after all, if a counter-security _professional_ wanted your data, neither encryption approach would stop them from getting it
[21:29] <vamsiampolu> I need a bit of help with installing Ubuntu http://superuser.com/questions/1068311/error-booting-from-ubuntu-15-04-live-usb
[21:29] <k1l_> uglyhammer: the example picture you showes is the 3rd party list.
[21:29] <pedrito> yago: encryption is great for one extra layer of protection against extremely casual threats
[21:29] <k1l_> uglyhammer: i really dont understand what lists you mean. do you mean the sources.list ?
[21:29] <pedrito> yago: which include most governments :)
[21:30] <vamsiampolu> I get a trace with ? acpi_pm_good_setup in it
[21:30] <pedrito> governments aren't usually allowed to clandestinely get into your data, they have to get a warrant and then approach you in obvious, silly ways
[21:30] <yago> pedrito: I'm aware of that, but that doesn't mean that I don't aim to do it as neat as possible ;)
[21:30] <duckgoose> encryption is good only if the NSA has a backdoor to it
[21:30] <pedrito> yago: course
[21:30] <pedrito> yago: with security, all you need to do is consider the effort you're putting forth vs the actual threats you are likely to encounter, that's all
[21:31] <pedrito> especially keeping in mind that if you put in a week's worth of effort, you probably /still/ wouldn't stop a professional from getting at your data, if your physical location is remotely publically known
[21:31] <yago> pedrito: If /tmp/ and such are in the same partition as the one encrypted with Ubuntu ('/' and all that stuff), wouldn't that be solved?
[21:31] <vamsiampolu> This is the trace http://paste.ubuntu.com/15973423/
[21:32] <k1l_> uglyhammer: can you show me a screenshot of what you mean? load it to imgur.com
[21:32] <pedrito> yago: if you're talking about dual booting, as far as a single OS is concerned, if you've encrypted the entire OS and the personal files you use for that OS, that is FDE
[21:32] <uglyhammer> k1l_: Okay, another question. I've two similar programs now: "Ubuntu Software Center" and "Ubuntu Software". "Ubuntu Software Center" opens the old classical Ubuntu Software Center. "Ubuntu Software" opens nothing.
[21:32] <pedrito> pedrito: that leaves only RAM, which is not something a professional would usually bother with anyway
[21:32] <Multbrelch> Hi all. So how is ubuntu 16.04, stable?
[21:32] <gronke_> so how do I kick my other nick off if I know the password? i'm logged in on another computer
[21:33] <duckgoose> yea how the hell is it stable
[21:33] <duckgoose> how they do dat
[21:33] <pedrito> Multbrelch: I was using it for a few weeks from the beta 2 image, seemed to work fine
[21:33] <pedrito> duckgoose: ?
[21:33] <Multbrelch> k
[21:33] <duckgoose> :*
[21:33] <tgm4883> duckgoose: be helpful
[21:33] <nanaasar> is ubuntu 16.04 public yet?
[21:33] <gfodranoel> lai: PAM (Pluggable Authentication modules) or Facial Autentication?
[21:33] <k1l_> uglyhammer: "ubuntu software" is the new software center. it is based on the gnome software center now.
[21:33] <pedrito> nanaasar: yes; ubuntu.com
[21:33] <Multbrelch> And what about Python 2.7. Is that also stable?
[21:34] <k1l_> !isitoutyet | nanaasar
[21:34] <uglyhammer> k1l_: But nothing happens when I click on it and the old Software Center is still available.
[21:34] <yago> pedrito: That's exactly what I expected! However, on Ubuntu's installation process, I can only check "Encrypt the new Ubuntu installation for security" option if I've selected "Erase all disk and install Ubuntu"
[21:34] <Multbrelch> ... I mean, after a manual install of Python 2.7
[21:34] <k1l_> uglyhammer: the old one dosent get removed on upgrade. but the new one should open.
[21:35] <nanaasar> pedrito: i have to try it out.. i hope the lagging issues will be gone on that version
[21:35] <lai> netsplit?
[21:35] <pedrito> nanaasar: which issues?
[21:35] <k1l_> uglyhammer: type "ubuntu-software" in a terminal and see what errors are tehre
[21:35] <yago> pedrito: While doing some googling is when I found out that there seems to be some difference between FDE and the partition encryption mentioned before
[21:35] <pedrito> yago: mmm, well I can't speak much to that; you can always setup your partitions yourself, and then do an advanced/manual partition setup
[21:36] <nanaasar> pedrito: it lags on my vm
[21:36] <uglyhammer> k1l_: How can I start it via the terminal? "gnome-software"? "software-center" opens the old one.
[21:36] <pedrito> yago: IIRC, Ubuntu's installer offers two: FDE, and /home/ alone (with ecryptfs)
[21:36] <pedrito> nanaasar: what does?
[21:36] <pmp6nl> Um why does a fesh install of 16.04 have the ubuntu software center in it and not the new one?
[21:36] <pedrito> nanaasar: most things lag on VMs, that is the nature of virtualization overhead
[21:36] <k1l_> uglyhammer: i said exactly what to type.
[21:36] <pedrito> pmp6nl: of ordinary 'Ubuntu'?
[21:36] <yano> so, i accidentally ctrl+c'ed in the middle of things installing while running "do-release-upgrade," and when i run it again (even with the -d) flag it says there is no release available anymore
[21:36] <nanaasar> it seems to be a graphcs card issue
[21:36] <lai> pedrito: I was saying the same thing. I thought it was FDE
[21:36] <ikbeneenheld> @pdrito depends on pc though
[21:36] <pmp6nl> pedrito, ya
[21:37] <lai> wulf was saying it wasn't FDE
[21:37] <uglyhammer> k1l_: gnome-software:8526): Gs-WARNING **: failed to open plugin /usr/lib/gs-plugins-9/libgs_plugin_xdg_app_reviews.so: /usr/lib/gs-plugins-9/libgs_plugin_xdg_app_reviews.so
[21:37] <lai> and would only encrypt the linux partition
[21:37] <pedrito> ikbeneenheld: what doesn't
[21:37] <pedrito> lai: again...
[21:37] <Norbin> i have an amd r9 380, how bad are the drivers? :{ thinking about installing current lts
[21:37] <k1l_> uglyhammer: should open with that warning.
[21:37] <uglyhammer> k1l_: I typed "gnome-software" actually, but the same error occurs when I type "ubuntu-software".
[21:37] <pedrito> if the installer is using 'FDE' to mean 'the entire OS' (irrespective of other OSes on the same disk), that's obviously imperfect language
[21:38] <pedrito> but the end result of encrypting all of the OS, and of encrypting the entire disk with multiple OSes on it, is the same
[21:38] <uglyhammer> k1l_: No it says "timeout" after the error and quits.
[21:38] <nanaasar> pedrito: the issue is when i try to minimize something.. it goes slow
[21:38] <pedrito> GNU/Linux does not, after all, store sensitive data in separate NTFS partitions, the way it does in /tmp/
[21:38] <pedrito> nanaasar: try not using Unity/compiz
[21:39] <pedrito> nanaasar: or not hardware virtualizing at all
[21:39] <ikbeneenheld> Norbin: drivers should be good on stability but they got new drivers so performance are yet to improve if you want gaming performance (why otherwise buy such a card) id dualboot)
[21:39] <yago> pedrito: If the installer natively supports encrypting only /home, I've been unable to find how
[21:39] <n1md4> so!  anyone upgraded yet ? :)
[21:39] <Orphis> Alright, pulseaudio is all broken for me in 16.04
[21:39] <n1md4> hahaha!
[21:40] <n1md4> (sorry, just comedy timing)
[21:40] <pedrito> yago: talking about 16.04?
[21:40] <yago> pedrito: Yup
[21:40] <Orphis> I tried checking pavucontrol & alsamixer and I couldn't get any sound from the kodi GUI (only mvoies would work as they use passthrough) or Spotify
[21:40] <n1md4> Orphis: out of interest is that by install or upgrade?
[21:40] <Orphis> Upgrade
[21:40] <Orphis> I had default settings before
[21:41] <n1md4> Right, I'm just doing the same now ...
[21:41] <dejour> does anyone have an opinion as to which is a better vpn server solution StrongSwan or OpenVPN?
[21:41] <Orphis> No .asoundrc either
[21:41] <Orphis> And I'm using Intel HDA audio with HDMI output
[21:41] <pedrito> dejour: for what, a proxy?
[21:41] <n1md4> dejour: I think OpenVPN is more popular, doesn't make it better necessarily.
[21:41] <laro> hello everyone. I tried to install ubuntu mate 16.04 32bit on my system (intel i7 6700k on ASUS z170 motherboard). And it installs but then it doesnt boot. I need the system to be 32bit. I tried changing options in CSM (legacy boot mode) in bios settings with no luck. Can somebody help? Thanks in advance
[21:41] <pedrito> you certainly wouldn't want to mistake the prefix "open" for actually meaning it is open (or "free"), at any rate
[21:42] <Orphis> n1md4: What sound card / output device are you trying to use?
[21:42] <gronke> Anyone know why my enable/disable touchpad hotkey won't work in Mate? I have a yoga 2. Every other hotkey works fine (vol up/down,etc)
[21:42] <ikbeneenheld> laro: why go with 32bit with that processor?
[21:42] <n1md4> laro: can you get a boot CD to grub, and then manually grub your way in?
[21:42] <n1md4> Orphis: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-H HD Audio
[21:42] <ikbeneenheld> laro: did you disable safeboot?
[21:43] <n1md4> I've also go Nvidia card, and would like to have audio over HDMI - doesn't work out the box on 15.10.
[21:43] <lmw> Does Ubuntu have bloatware?
[21:43] <dejour> just looking for a secure open source way to connect to my home network. I have used OpenVPN before. I just was considering alternatives
[21:43] <pmp6nl> So whats the deal with the software center? All the pictures I see of Ubuntu 16.04 show the new one, my live boot has the old one?
[21:43] <pedrito> lmw: what's bloatware?
[21:43] <Wulf> lmw: lots of it, I guess
[21:43] <yago> pedrito: Yeah, may I ask you why?
[21:43] <pedrito> pmp6nl: you talking about the normal ubuntu 16.04 image?
[21:44] <pmp6nl> yes pedrito
[21:44] <pedrito> yago: sorry why what?
 yago: talking about 16.04?
[21:44] <pedrito> pmp6nl: hrmmm, I've only actually used the beta 2 image, it definitely had the new one ("software" is it called?)
[21:44] <pedrito> yago: oh, just so I can be clear what it is you're referring to
[21:44] <dejour> it is hard to find comparisons of OPenVPN and StrongSwan so I was hoping the Ubuntu community might have some opinions
[21:45] <uglyhammer> k1l_: Seemingly it's exactly this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1573052
[21:45] <pmp6nl> pedrito, yes, I used beta 2 and it was fine, but final was not
[21:45] <pajam_> Anyone able to help me get this bad boy installed?
[21:45] <lai> anyone get vbox5.0 installed?
[21:45] <pedrito> yago: you see this? http://www.tecmint.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Ubuntu-16.04-Installation-Type.png
[21:45] <pajam_> Having an issue that has never been a problem for me before.
[21:45] <pedrito> pmp6nl: odd, maybe they pushed it back
[21:45] <lai> software center won't do the install
[21:45] <spikebike> kudos to the ubuntu folks.  Ubuntu 14.04 desktop, nvidia card, usb audio, etc.  upgrade-manager -d, had about 1 minute of downtime, graphics work, networking works, login works, even my tabs came back
[21:45] <pedrito> pajam_: what issue is that?
[21:45] <Wulf> dejour: openvpn works great if the peer supports it to. strongswan is ipsec which is a PITA, but is a) a bit faster and b) supported by enterprise crap
[21:45] <spikebike> (just upgraded to 16.04)
[21:45] <Orphis> n1md4: I'm tempted of upgrading the kernel
[21:45] <pedrito> spikebike: coo
[21:46] <n1md4> Orphis: beyond the default in 16.04?
[21:46] <pmp6nl> pedrito, ya, its odd. And the only way to open it is by terminal
[21:46] <k1l_> uglyhammer: i got the same error and its starting
[21:46] <yago> pedrito: Yes I do, but with more options (for upgrading my previous Ubuntu install, installing 16.04 with it, etc)
[21:46] <Orphis> n1md4: Or reverting back to 4.2
[21:46] <k1l_> uglyhammer: so there seems to be another issue
[21:46] <n1md4> :)
[21:46] <davido_> It seems that openconnect may not be working with 16.04. ...or at least not for me.
[21:46] <uglyhammer> k1l_: Hm …
[21:46] <pajam_> drito: https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/4fv8dw/ubuntu_1604_major_problem_help/
[21:46] <uglyhammer> k1l_: Can you too invoke the old software center via the dash?
[21:47] <k1l_> uglyhammer: yes
[21:47] <davido_> For example, when attempting to edit an openconnect connection: "Could not find VPN plugin service for 'org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.openconnect'."
[21:47] <k1l_> uglyhammer: if you dont want that, remove the package.
[21:47] <uglyhammer> k1l_: Okay, no problem for me, but I wonder why is this …
[21:48] <pajam_> pedrito: https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/4fv8dw/ubuntu_1604_major_problem_help/
[21:48] <uglyhammer> k1l_: Two of them are a bit distracting I guess.
[21:48] <pmp6nl> pedrito, http://imgur.com/WHrSR2m
[21:48] <uglyhammer> k1l_: Confusing.
[21:48] <k1l_> uglyhammer: i dont know if there are still people wanting the old one.
[21:48] <ice9> where to find snap packages?
[21:48] <n1md4> So does 16.04 use Mir and Unity 8 out the box?
[21:48] <dejour> okay thank you for your help Wulf pedrito and n1md4
[21:48] <k1l_> uglyhammer: imho that is not an issue at all.
[21:48] <shiznix> getting the dreaded BSOD (black screen of death) regression when upgrading to Xenial :(
[21:48] <k1l_> n1md4: no.
[21:48] <pedrito> yago: ahhhhh
[21:49] <pedrito> yago: yeah wouldn't surprise me if upgrade options would differ from fresh install options
[21:49] <n1md4> k1l_: do you know if that's documented how make the change anywhere?
[21:49] <shiznix> but only after the display goes to sleep, tty console is broken too
[21:49] <pajam_> pedrito: No luck ehhhh?
[21:49] <k1l_> !unity8 | n1md4
[21:49] <n1md4> ... k1l_ or is it just an apt-get intall
[21:49] <uglyhammer> k1l_: I will reboot and test ubuntu-software again.
[21:49] <n1md4> Cool.
[21:49] <pajam_> pedrito: Just go back to 15.10 for now until things are ironed out I'm guessing?
[21:50] <qwert> how to get the lubuntu clock white?
[21:50] <yago> pedrito: What I'm trying to do is replacing my old Ubuntu installation, with an encrypted 16.04 one, but it seems it isn't that easy, haha
[21:50] <n1md4> k1l_: ah, Mir doesn't support gpu proprietary blobs yet.
[21:50] <pedrito> pajam_: try the minimalcd image instead
[21:50] <shiznix> OS seems to still be operating OK behind the black screen, so maybe broken video drivers for Intel gfx
[21:51] <pedrito> pajam_: has fewer things that can go wrong with it
[21:51] <Orphis> n1md4: Just booted on 4.2.0, everything works now
[21:51] <n1md4> Orphis: so what's with 16.04?
[21:51] <k1l_> n1md4: it does now. but the prop. driver makers are behind schedule
[21:51] <Orphis> Bad drivers?
[21:51] <pajam_> pedrito: What does that mean? Sorry new to the linux world.
[21:51] <pedrito> yago: it's not reallllll time efficient, but it /would be easy/ to backup your existing install, do a fresh install, and then copy back the configurations & data you want back
[21:51] <pedrito> pajam_: you want an amd64 desktop?
[21:51] <uglyhammer> k1l_: Lol, it works!
[21:51] <n1md4> k1l_: Ah, well a) the wiki needs updating, and b) I'll give it a go :)
[21:52] <pajam_> pedrito: yes
[21:52] <pedrito> that's what wiki means: "needs updating"
[21:52] <n1md4> pedrito: hah
[21:52] <ubuntu621> I'm having trouble installing ubuntu. I put it onto a usb, but when I pick to boot from a usb hd, it just boots back into windows again.
[21:52] <yago> pedrito: That's actually the plan, but the problem is that I cannot encrypt it from Ubuntu's installer because I'm using dual boot
[21:52] <pedrito> pajam_: I guess they've renamed it again: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/16.04/?_ga=1.146689076.1680370993.1461275406
[21:53] <n1md4> Ooo first issue, "could not install 'gconf2'" doesn't sound too important
[21:53] <pedrito> yago: well let me ask you an actually serious question: why're you dual booting?
[21:53] <uglyhammer> k1l_: I guess everything is fine now. Thanks for your support.
[21:53] <pedrito> yago: and let me follow that before you even answer with: if you must dual boot, why not use two separate disks
[21:53] <k1l_> ok
[21:54] <Guest71522> ubuntu did you go into the bios and set the first boot option to usb ?
[21:54] <pajam_> pedrito: do I download the mini.iso and use pendrive to flash to usb?
[21:54] <n1md4> Shame, that error seems to be holding the upgrade to randsom!
[21:54] <pedrito> pajam_: pendrive?
[21:54] <pedrito> pajam_: you put it on a usb, same as the other image you were using, anyway
[21:55] <vamsiampolu> http://askubuntu.com/questions/760188/error-installing-ubuntu-15-04-due-to-acpi-pm-good-setup
[21:55] <pedrito> pajam_: it's possible the process you're using to image to usb is the cause, however; so another thing you might try is unetbootin instead of whatever you're using
[21:55] <pedrito> pajam_: and if you've still no success, you could carefully try dd
[21:55] <yago> pedrito: I'm dual booting because, sadly, I *need* to use Windows, too. I'd use separate disks, but buying a new disk isn't in my budget, right now.
[21:55] <shiznix> err yep, broken intel drm kernel module -> kernel: [drm:intel_cpu_fifo_underrun_irq_handler] *ERROR* CPU pipe A FIFO underrun
[21:55] <ubuntu621> I actually just tried unetbootin, but it keeps trying to boot windows anyway. :C
[21:55] <Guest71522> fufus works well too
[21:55] <Guest71522> rufus
[21:55] <shiznix> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89806
[21:56] <shiznix> but really not fixed at all
[21:56] <shiznix> *sigh*
[21:56] <pedrito> yago: sure it is, disks are incredibly cheap
[21:56] <skypce> hello
[21:57] <pedrito> pedrito: I have a collection of spare disks I don't even use at this point
[21:57] <skypce> i was installed ubuntu 16.04 in virtual machine
[21:57] <pedrito> I'd give them away if I weren't so lazy
[21:57] <skypce> how can i install a snap package?
[21:58] <pedrito> skypce: #snappy ?
[21:58] <yago> pedrito: It's not about the disk on itself, but other components I'd need in order to put it. But don't worry, I'll give the Ask Ubuntu's answer a shot, and see if it works
[21:58] <Term1nal> There a way I can setup my /home partition as ZFS to a secondary drive during installation?
[21:59] <xangua> Term1nal: ext4 is recommended
[21:59] <n1md4> Upgrade has broken half way through, and scared to reboot!  Syncing home directory to back disk, and then will pray
[21:59] <pedrito> Term1nal: the manual partitioning part should allow that, yes
[22:00] <Term1nal> xangua: what kind of answer is that lol
[22:00] <yago> pedrito, Wulf, lai, thank you very much for your help!
[22:00] <pedrito> yago: something else silly but "simple" you could do is backup the windows install and remove it, then let Ubuntu FDE only the partition space you want it on, then put Windows back; that might work
[22:01] <Term1nal> ZFS is the one thing that keeps me itching to use BSD over Linux, now that it's baked into my first choice distro............
[22:01] <Orphis> n1md4: I'm going to try 4.5.2 now
[22:01] <pedrito> not nearly as simple as using another disk, though
[22:01] <pedrito> Term1nal: sounds like you don't know much about it :)
[22:01] <Term1nal> pedrito: :/
[22:01] <Term1nal> That's a pretty rude assumption
[22:01] <n1md4> Orphis: good luck!
[22:02] <pukkapi> Hey all, Im struggling to install docker, I've added the repo for 16.04 however docker-engine isn't there, any ideas?
[22:03] <pedrito> Term1nal: nah, everyone's ignorant of something
[22:03] <yago> pedrito: I've considered that, but it's my last last last resort, since it would take a lot to make the copies
[22:03] <pedrito> yago: ntfsclone makes it much faster
[22:03] <Term1nal> I run a rack of triple redundant FreeNAS boxes with 48TB ZFS pools with L2Arc
[22:03] <pedrito> but yeah, it's tedious
[22:03] <pedrito> Term1nal: sure you do
[22:03] <Term1nal> I was merely asking if ZFS was available during installation.
[22:03] <pedrito> and that probably makes you a zfs expert
[22:03] <pedrito> Term1nal: it should be, yes
[22:04] <Term1nal> since I'm about to install 16.04 fresh, having been on 14.04 for the last two years
[22:04] <spikebike> Term1nal: anything like that I'd recommend pure/simple during the fragile install period, then go crazy after first boot
[22:05] <pedrito> little backwards to change FS after installation, I'd say
[22:05] <yago> pedrito: I'm gonna rest for a while, I'll come back tomorrow and tell you if I was able to solve it. Thank you very much for your time!
[22:05] <Term1nal> hence the question. :D
[22:05] <spikebike> pedrito: for / I'd agree, for any other partition that's created empty not so much
[22:05] <n1md4> Orphis: see you on the other side!  (rebooting after upgrade!)
[22:06] <jushur> i make all my ZFS installs with an custom mastered arch linux iso, mostly because i need/want some powertools that is not on most isos (not even on resquecd)
[22:06] <Term1nal> not since when I started using ubuntu back in like '07 has an in-place distro upgrade ever worked for me
[22:06] <Term1nal> I can't believe all of the people entrusting the upgrade process on their working installs :D
[22:06] <jushur> and a tip about this is that you can make any disklayout you want and then use it for the install in ubuntu
[22:06] <Orphis> n1md4: No change with 4.5.2
[22:06] <pedrito> spikebike: I can't parse that :)
[22:07] <pedrito> Term1nal: I can't believe people would use a distro they couldn't trust that process to, though
[22:07]  * pedrito shrugs
[22:07] <Term1nal> pedrito: It's Linux
[22:07] <Term1nal> There's always -something- wrong.
[22:07] <spikebike> Term1nal: heh, the upgrade seems WAY more reliable than a fresh install from what I can tell
[22:07] <pedrito> sure, but it's also alawys surmountable
[22:07] <pedrito> always*
[22:07] <Term1nal> True
[22:08] <pedrito> my only point is that if I found a distro couldn't be upgraded reliably, even if requiring _some_ human intervention, I would not use that distro
[22:08] <spikebike> seen quite a few complaints about thumb drive based fresh installs not working
[22:08] <Term1nal> having been on this same install for 2 years... and not wanting to brick it trying an upgrade I don' t even know if I'll like yet.
[22:08] <spikebike> pedrito: heh, that's why I don't use centos/rhel
[22:08] <Term1nal> gonna slap a fresh SSD in this bad boy and start from square one
[22:09] <sruli> how do i know what my sys is using for swap? "swapon -s" gives me "/dev/dm-2. used =0 priority -1" but my swap partition is a lv
[22:09] <pedrito> Term1nal: well a single backup addresses that concern =)
[22:09] <pedrito> sruli: sounds like your swap is encrypted is all
[22:10] <sruli> pedrito: yes, the swap partition i made is in a luks vol, how do i know if the system is using that one?
[22:11] <ThePendulum> I understand ctrl + shift + u is supposed to activate unicode input, but this literally never worked for me. I'd be really curious to get this to work
[22:12] <ThePendulum> I'm on 15.10 now, been an ongoing issue since 11.04 or something I think, but I never really made an effort since I didn't really need them
[22:13] <ashley> upgraded my Ubuntu from 15.10 to 16.04, using the MATE desktop, now the Computer and Trash icons are gone from the desktop and http://askubuntu.com/questions/267049/how-to-display-trash-and-home-folder-icons suggests doing "gsettings set org.gnome.nautilus.desktop computer-icon-visible true" but that results in an error: "No such key 'computer-icon-visible'". help? :)
[22:14] <pedrito> sruli: what don't you trust about swapon -s' output?
[22:14] <Guest71522> did u try using mate tweak that comes with it ?
[22:15] <yacc> Hi! Just upgraded 14.04 => 16.04, wasn't a great experience, but what packages do I need to install for the Ubuntu desktop?
[22:15] <vfw> yacc: ubuntu-desktop
[22:15] <pedrito> yacc: what desktop have you got now?
[22:15] <ikantspelwrdz> Me too. 16.04 is greased lightning.
[22:16] <sruli> pedrito: the swap lv i made is called llswap - how does that get to dm-2
[22:16] <yacc> Managed to get it start some of my programs, but a shell is missing (an error message says I should complain to the distribution), and it seems like no windowmanager is running either, the windows have no decoration at all.
[22:16] <yacc> pedrito: currently: ircII on text mode.
[22:16] <yacc> pedrito: before (14.04) Ubuntu standard desktop.
[22:16] <pedrito> sruli: swap is determined by what you have in /etc/fstab, what is actually mkswap'd & swapon'd, and that's about it
[22:16] <ThePendulum> yacc: hmm, you upgraded directly from 14.04? I'd typically reinstall
[22:17] <nicomachus> there should be a valid update path from 14.04.
[22:17] <ThePendulum> bit more tedious administratively, but it saves technical hassle
[22:17] <vfw> yacc: sudo apt-get update
[22:17] <pedrito> yacc: didn't realize people still used ircii
[22:17] <ikantspelwrdz> yeah reinstall mate. It would take forever to troubleshoot that.
[22:17] <yacc> vfw: It tells me that ubuntu-desktop is isntalled.
[22:17] <yacc> pedrito: well, if X11 is not really working, it kind is nice.
[22:17] <pedrito> might need to re/configure and/or start the DM (lightdm, probably) service, then
[22:17] <Term1nal> pedrito: It amazes me that people still use vi/vim/emacs :D
[22:18] <yacc> terminal: How else would you admin (vi) a box or develop software (emacs)?
[22:18] <vfw> yacc: sudo apt-get update # Any errors?
[22:18] <pedrito> Term1nal: amazes me people use anything else :)
[22:18] <Term1nal> admin (nano) develop software (sublimetext)
[22:18] <Term1nal> :3
[22:19] <yacc> vfw: no errors, just three xenial repos configured.
[22:19] <vfw> yacc: sudo apt-get upgrade
[22:19] <Term1nal> actually, that's a bit out of date now, I use visual studio code now for my software development (golang)
[22:19] <yacc> vfw: nothing.
[22:19] <Term1nal> The go plugin for visual studio code is ~amazing~
[22:20] <vfw> cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log  # See if you see errors.
[22:21] <yacc> Ok, after removing the lightdm.conf file I managed to login by typing in my password => "A shell is missing, complain to your distribution."
[22:21] <yacc> vfw: no errors.
[22:22] <yacc> Wonder where .xsession-errors disappeared, one could hope that one could see what the X11 session spits out on stderr, ..
[22:22] <yacc> A .xsession-error is there :)
[22:23] <yacc> But it's from plasma, sigh.
[22:24] <J0hnD03ii> my brightness keys aren't working with ubuntu 16.04 :(
[22:24] <yacc> Ok, when I switch to Ubuntu, it shows me for 1-2 seconds "a problem with a system app was detected" and I'm back at the login prompt.
[22:24] <yacc> Now, where can I see the error with the system app?
[22:25] <pedrito> yacc: plasma? Thought you were after ubuntu-desktop
[22:25] <vfw> yacc: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[22:26] <J0hnD03ii> anyone got any ideas? asus x501U brightness keys not working
[22:26] <yacc> vfw: nothing (did it already, it installed 4 perl packages).
[22:26] <jatt> cannot connect with ssh after upgrade to xenial
[22:26] <jatt> no matching cipher found. Their offer: arcfour,blowfish-cbc
[22:27] <jatt> worked fine before
[22:27] <yacc> Just curious: How would a GPU free X11 server showup in unity behavior?
[22:27] <yacc> I heard the fall back mode is gone.
[22:27] <yacc> compiz crashes.
[22:28] <yacc> pedrito: yes, but I had some KDE software installed that pulled much of KDE anyway.
[22:28] <pedrito> onboard intel can usually handle compiz these days
[22:28] <yacc> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15973910/
[22:28] <yacc> That's my xsession-error
[22:29] <gronke> I went from fedora 23 to ubuntu mate, and now my chrome has screen tearing in it when I scroll down. that's annoying.
[22:30] <nanaasar> ubuntu 16.04 what does the no support for amd graphics card means... i saw it somewhere
[22:30] <pedrito> nanaasar: eh?
[22:30] <spikebike> it means they recommend the opensource driver
[22:30] <gerti> guys  any  one can  help me  how to fix  wordpress
[22:30] <gerti> ?
[22:31] <yacc> libqpa-mirserver, what's that?
[22:31] <pedrito> gerti: rewrite it in another language?
[22:31] <nanaasar> pedrito: i have ATI graphics card that why i was asking
[22:31] <pedrito> nanaasar: not sure what you saw, or what your problem is, if you even have on =)
[22:31] <gronke> also it's really discouraging that I've asked about 5 or 6 questions in this channel in the past few hours and literally zero of them have gotten a response despite the fact that there's almost 2000 people in this channel. it makes me discouraged about the acceptance of the ubuntu community.
[22:32] <vfw> gerti: /join #wordpress
[22:32] <pedrito> gronke: I only see two msgs from you in my lastlog
[22:32] <pedrito> been here for about an hour
[22:32] <J0hnD03ii> gronke, give people a chance, if someone knows, they'll answer. I need help too!
[22:32] <pedrito> gronke: anyway, sounds like you have changed graphics drivers
[22:33] <vfw> gronke: Maybe your attitude?
[22:33] <pedrito> maybe your imagination
[22:33] <satysin> hi all
[22:33] <pedrito> hi sat
[22:34] <gronke> there was no attitude until now, I am just annoyed and i honestly thought maybe someone had muted me and I was invisible
[22:34] <satysin> Having a real pain with a wifi issue on 16.04
[22:34] <satysin> its not connecting at full wifi speed
[22:34] <J0hnD03ii> that's not ubuntu's fault satysin
[22:34] <spikebike> wow, my system was 85% full when I had 14.04, now at 16.04 it's 83% full
[22:34] <pedrito> gronke: "anybody see this msg?" is the way to address that, IME
[22:34] <vfw> gronke: Why don't you try asking a support question?
[22:34] <pedrito> to which you'll get the reply "nope", at which point you'll know they see it
[22:34] <satysin> windows gets about 20mbps faster consistently
[22:35] <J0hnD03ii> windows is a different ball game satysin
[22:35] <satysin> yes but this card should work just fine apparently
[22:35] <satysin> under linux i mean
[22:35] <J0hnD03ii> dunno, I can't get my brightness working - on my 8th install -.-
[22:35] <gronke> vfw I've asked plenty. Here are the ones I have asked so far: 1. I have a Yoga 2. Screen rotation to portrait mode was automatic with Fedora 23. In MATE it doesn't seem to be working and I dont know how to enable it. 2. My enable/disable touchpad key (F6) does not work, but every other hotkey works fine. I would like to figure out how to enable that. 3. I just realized I have screen tearing in chrome when scrolling, which also didn't happen in Fedora 23.
[22:36] <nedstark> fedora 23 with what desktop environment
[22:36] <gronke> gnome 3
[22:36] <nedstark> try gnome 3 in ubuntu
[22:36] <gronke> would the DE control the screen rotation?
[22:37] <J0hnD03ii> yes iirc
[22:37] <gronke> okay thanks
[22:37] <pedrito> gronke: pick one, ask again, repeat
[22:37] <spikebike> gronke: a few dozen or less people are active, I suspect none have yoga's, or rotate their screens often.  MATE isn't particularly popular either.  Generally for such specific stuff I have better luck with google, or a forum particular to that specific hardware
[22:37] <ubuntu> naruto
[22:37] <Guy1524> Hey guys, I really need help, I had nvidia-364 installed in 15.10, but then I was crashing on boot so I purged nvidia* and installed nvidia-361 since 364 wasn't found, what happened to nvidia-364
[22:37] <gronke> The touchpad issue is just very frustrating. I think it's specific to this yoga 2, but I have no idea why *every single hotkey* works except the f6. the same thing also happened in fedora 23.
[22:37] <Guy1524> im guessing there was a ppa uninstalled during the installation
[22:38] <gronke> I've checked in the console and the f6 key does not record anything when I press it, but when I press [fn][f6] (to actually input f6) it records an f6 was pressed
[22:38] <vfw> gronke:  Ubuntu uses Unity.  You should /join #mate  or /join #gnome and ask questions there.  etc. etc.
[22:38] <yacc_> Ok, I think I'm enjoying no OpenGL in 16.04 => glxinfo | grep render gives some messages that GLX is missing.
[22:38] <nedstark> #ubuntu-gnome, its a supported spin of ubuntu
[22:38] <yacc_> Btw, I managed to login using the "Motif Window Manager" session, which sucks at best.
[22:38] <gronke> would the screen tearing be a desktop environment issue as well?
[22:38] <spikebike> gronke: maybe google linux disable trackpad and yoga
[22:39] <yacc_> So how do I make sure that I have the needed packages for Intel GPU support?
[22:39] <vfw> gronke: And as nedstark suggests #ubuntu-gnome
[22:39] <Guy1524> guys, what ppa gives me nvidia-364?
[22:39] <Guy1524> vfw: This channel supports: Ubuntu and its official flavors
[22:39] <Guy1524> nedstark: This channel supports: Ubuntu and its official flavors
[22:39] <evng> Hello, on my 16.04 the program "wget" keeps crashing everytime I start it... a couple seconds before it starts with the error "wget crashed with SIGSEGV in __memset_avx2()" ... does anyone have the same problem and/or what can I do to fix it ? thanks
[22:39] <J0hnD03ii> I found some info on google about my brightness not working, they say to add "acpi_osi=" to grub and update grub/reboot. does anyone know what this command actually does?
[22:39] <nedstark> Guy1524, i figured, but they have more gnome expertise
[22:40] <Guy1524> k
[22:40] <J0hnD03ii> am I muted?
[22:40] <nedstark> not now
[22:40] <Wulf> J0hnD03ii: yes, you are
[22:40] <J0hnD03ii> huh
[22:41] <nedstark> n0t mut3d
[22:41] <vfw> Guy1524: Yes, I know, but there other channels that may have specific information that may be of value to gronke.  I'm not saying he should leave this channel, or not ask the questions he is asking here, but am offering supplemental information.  (He was complaining that he did not get satisfactory answers here.)
[22:41] <ngalim> !isitout
[22:41] <Guy1524> ok
[22:41] <yacc_> [  1218.959] (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver
[22:41] <yacc_>  not found)
[22:41] <yacc_> Any ideas?
[22:41] <gronke> it wasn't satisfactory answers, it was that literally no one even said "wow that sucks" or anything, no one even responded. it was just discouraging that's all
[22:41] <Guy1524> im guessing its a busy day lol
[22:42] <gronke> I'm sorry for losing my cool it's been a long day
[22:42] <J0hnD03ii> Guy1524, release days are always busy :p
[22:42] <Guy1524> ya lol, I would imagine
[22:44] <vfw> gronke: Many of us find that on a busy channel like this one, if we don't have any useful information to share, it's best to just not comment one way or the other. (Leave the space for really useful information.)
[22:44] <pedrito> gronke: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wugWGhItaQA
[22:44] <J0hnD03ii> and another question, will the pi 2/3 have ubuntu 16.04?
[22:44] <kevo_> Yay fixed my install issue from Windows. Used Unetbootin instead of PenDrive Linux.
[22:45] <vfw> J0hnD03ii: I understand that they are working on it (for PI-3).
[22:45] <J0hnD03ii> kevo_, should've used rufus
[22:45] <J0hnD03ii> vfw, cheers
[22:45] <kevo_> rufus?
[22:45] <kevo_> link?
[22:45] <Guy1524> from the looks of it nvidia disabled nvidia 364!
[22:45] <J0hnD03ii> !g rufus
[22:45] <dbarros> so what happened to the persistent module in Startup Disk Creator?
[22:45] <evng> so... does anyone have problems with "wget" on 16.04 ? cause mine is crashing everytime I start it... anyone?
[22:45] <J0hnD03ii> well, that failed.
[22:45] <Guy1524> nvidia-361 is known to suck
[22:46] <yacc_> Ok, any description how handle Intel Optimus laptops on 16.04?
[22:46] <J0hnD03ii> kevo_, https://rufus.akeo.ie/
[22:46] <Elias_Caplan> Can someone give me the terminal color hex for the currunt ubuntu release?
[22:46] <Guy1524> yacc_: oh you have optimus, Im sorry for your loss lol
[22:46] <Elias_Caplan> The default color.
[22:46] <kevo_> Is Ubuntu Gnome flavor broken on 16.04 branch?
[22:47] <yacc_> Guy1524, lol, funny, you've got one of the couple of non-Optimus laptops on the market?
[22:47] <yacc_> Guy1524, i7 quads I mean ;)
[22:47]  * J0hnD03ii doesn't know what an optimus laptop is
[22:47] <Guy1524> no, I have a desktop
[22:47] <yacc_> Guy1524, these seems to come mostly with a discrete GPU, and that usually means Optimus.
[22:48] <noooob> Guys i had many troubles with nvidia-current (no mouse clicks possible in gnome-shell). Installing nvidia-340 seems to solve those: now my question: why does nvidia-current still depend on nvidia-304 which obviously seems much too old for the Xserver?
[22:49] <yacc_> J0hnD03ii, a laptop that has an Intel GPU as primary GPU, and second Nvidia GPU that is connected in a slightly stupid way to the Intel GPU.
[22:49] <vfw> noooob: Relying on Nvidia for thise updates / advancements is hit-and-miss.
[22:49] <squinty> evng: no problems here with wget
[22:49] <evng> squinty, ok thanks.. I wonder what is the problem on mine then ... :(
[22:51] <squinty> evng:  maybe try   sudo apt install --reinstall wget
[22:52] <evng> squinty, just tried... still crash
[22:52] <evng> squinty, have you tried to wget a big file or a small one ?
[22:52] <Guy1524> when will there be less people on here?
[22:52] <duckgoose> Guy1524 never
[22:52] <Guy1524> ):
[22:53] <kevo_> google-chrome-stable dpkg not working?
[22:53] <Xali> when trying to install java on ubuntu, the readme says use the command make to compile and install but does not work?
[22:53] <squinty> evng: tried  wget https://rufus.akeo.ie/downloads/rufus-2.8.exe
[22:53] <xangua> kevo_: ask Google, or you can try chromium browser
[22:53] <pauljw> evng, when you say crash, what is it doing?
[22:53] <vfw> J0hnD03ii: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0ahUKEwiS88yB6aDMAhXC0iYKHVxfCYgQFggdMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.ubuntu.com%2FARM%2FRaspberryPi&usg=AFQjCNHHhZ4rZ02-9M0e7BdRq4JB1sXy7Q&sig2=Mz44oBfwnpOvIP5rWy0IRg  &
[22:53] <vfw> https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiS88yB6aDMAhXC0iYKHVxfCYgQFgglMAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fdeveloper.ubuntu.com%2Fen%2Fsnappy%2Fstart%2Fraspberry-pi-2%2F&usg=AFQjCNE6gyyID4AQu0bZ9rcJR9wBh5pAxQ&sig2=4o7SpBUCXiWFiWy3yPl03g
[22:53] <Xali> it says use make to compile, but i get this make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
[22:54] <evng> pauljw, core dump .. SIGSEGV in __memset_avx2()
[22:54] <vfw> Sorry, didn't know those two URLS were so long, (or I would have used PM
[22:54] <Xali> make '/home/xali/Downloads/icedtea-web-1.6.2'
[22:54] <Xali> make: Nothing to be done for '/home/xali/Downloads/icedtea-web-1.6.2'.
[22:54] <J0hnD03ii> vfw, is that 16.04?
[22:54] <evng> squinty, that file is too small for me to trigger the crash
[22:55] <evng> squinty, the crash happens after 3-4 seconds
[22:55] <J0hnD03ii> 15.04 vfw but thanks anyway
[22:55] <noooob> Xali: why dont you use the repository versions of java?
[22:57] <anarcat> congrats ubuntu
[22:58] <totem> anarcat, thank you
[22:59] <noooob> why is nvidia-304 still the default? this should be deprecated by now and nvidia-340 be the default!!!
[22:59] <totem> reisio, hi
[23:00] <nedstark> what does it offer under "Additional Drivers"?
[23:00] <squinty> evng,   seems to work fine downloading a fresh firefox from the firefox site without any problems   around 42 megabytes and definitely took longer that 3 to 4 seconds
[23:01] <squinty> evng,  took longer than 3 to 4 seconds
[23:01] <noooob> nedstark: i installed nvidia-current which depends on nvidia-304 which is not current at all, in fact its too old for the XServer of 16.04
[23:01] <reisio> totem: heyo
[23:01] <evng> squinty, try this: wget http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/ubuntu-16.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[23:01] <evng> squinty, it works for me on a file of 50mb
[23:02] <evng> squinty, but crashes on big files
[23:02] <reisio> noooob: the latest version of the nvidia driver will not always be the best for a particular device
[23:02] <reisio> nvidia doesn't do roughly eternal support the way open source software does
[23:02] <totem> reisio, do you ubuntu too?
[23:02] <johnjohn101> wondering when they will stop calling it amd64 :)
[23:02] <squinty> evng, not really into downloading a giga byte file  try using torrents   way more reliable imho
[23:02] <reisio> totem: incredibly occasionally
[23:02] <nicomachus> waiting for you to tell them to, johnjohn101
[23:03] <johnjohn101> hi nicomachus
[23:03] <evng> squinty, just try to download it for 10sec to see if it crashes
[23:03] <nicomachus> hi johnjohn101!
[23:03] <noooob> reisio: but the nvidia-current is too old, it wont work with mouse on gnome-shell (mouse clicks will be silently ignored and such). not even gdm lets me click on login with nvidia-304
[23:04] <noooob> reisio: it seems to be a known problem on fedora too, hence i found with google the suggestion to use nvidia-340 instead, which works fine now for a few minutes
[23:04] <squinty> evng: I stopped it at 100 meg    seems to be working fine
[23:04] <evng> squinty, ok thanks
[23:04] <squinty> evng,  yw
[23:05] <reisio> noooob: so... all set, then?
[23:07] <noooob> reisio: i very much hope so, but still i was used to install nvidia-current to have the correct driver for the release i installed, seems that is not the case anymore in 16.04. I think its dependency should be upgraded to nvidia-340, i dont see in which scenario someone wants to have a broken xserver (nvidia-304)
[23:07] <Guy1524> is it safe to manually install nvidia's 364.16 driver since some people are morons and decided to make 364 not available via apt in 16.04?
[23:08] <reisio> noooob: don't confuse broken and older version
[23:08] <reisio> particularly not with proprietary software
[23:08] <reisio> Guy1524: yes, it's safe
[23:08] <reisio> do be sure your device is actually listed as supported by that driver version, at least, however
[23:08] <Guy1524> ok
[23:09] <Guy1524> it is, I have a normal GTX 960
[23:09] <noooob> reisio: i think nvidia-304 just dont provide the correct interface to deliver mouse events correctly to the xserver anymore, but thats only a guess from my experience with it
[23:09] <stefano__> Hi everyone! i need to use javac but can't install package. can someone help me?
[23:09] <the-punisher> hello
[23:10] <reisio> noooob: if you want something reliable, try nouveau
[23:10] <reisio> the-punisher: hi
[23:11] <noooob> reisio: yeah that was my hope too, but its totally unreliable unfortunately, many graphics glitches and it froze my system bad enough that sysrq almost did not work for reboot
[23:11] <reisio> hrmmm
[23:11] <reisio> could be your graphics device is a lovely unicorn :)
[23:12] <noooob> reisio: yeah i think so, it never worked properly with nouveau, but always worked with nvidia-current (until 16.04 came out)
[23:13] <reisio> noooob: then you could just use whatever -current was before, yeah
[23:14] <noooob> reisio: yeah -current always was on the ancient 304 which is too old for the new xserver now i guess, so cant use nvidia-current on 16.04 anymore
[23:15] <noooob> nvidia-current should be renamed to nvidia-ancient or its dependency upgraded to nvidia-340
[23:16] <nailsom> #ubuntu-br
[23:16] <reisio> mmm, really versions should never be replaced with words
[23:16] <reisio> but also ideally you'd not have to use proprietary nonsense, either
[23:17] <reisio> nouveau devs fast, though
[23:17] <noooob> im waiting for years, im not sure if nouveau ever will be ready to replace nvidia binary on my system
[23:18] <noooob> would very much prefer nouveau, but i guess its not ready yet
[23:19] <[Saint]> Perhaps things would move quicker if you did more than just wait.
[23:21] <reisio> noooob: not for your particular device, quite possible
[23:21] <noooob> [Saint]: yeah but its a bit, well difficult, to debug a freeze which is bad enough that sysrq barely could manage to reboot the box
[23:21] <luban> hello - i'm new to linux. i've heard there's a new ubuntu upgrade and i'm running lubuntu. should i upgrade?
[23:23] <dax> i'd give it a week or two to settle down, personally
[23:23] <dax> or if you're on 14.04 currently, just wait for 16.04.1 in a few months
[23:23] <reisio> luban: you should upgrade before 14 is unsupported, yes
[23:24] <reisio> you should really always be upgrading, whenever you have the time
[23:24] <luban> awesome - thanks for that. i wasn't sure
[23:24] <reisio> be proactive
[23:24] <noooob> i dont blame the nouveau ppl, they do awesome work and its very impressive how far they have come given the difficulty of the situation with nvidia cards. I rather would blame nvidia and my card itself
[23:24] <johnjohn101> luban: what lubuntu are you running?
[23:24] <luban> the most recent
[23:25] <johnjohn101> 15.10?
[23:25] <luban> i believe so
[23:25] <Guy1524> hello guys, so I writing this from irssi command-line irc because I tried manually installing the nvidia-364.16 driver but gdm will not start, here is sudo service gdm status: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15974229
[23:25] <luban> yes it is
[23:26] <Guy1524> what should I do?
[23:26] <nownot> i added a new drive to my mdadm array upon rebuild I do df -h and the array shows the old volume size. anything I need to explore to get this showing correctly? its 9x2tb showing 11tb :/
[23:26] <de-facto> luban you can find out from a terminal with cat /etc/lsb-release
[23:26] <johnjohn101> luban: that release is supported for 3 more months, you'll need to upgrade in that time period
[23:26] <Guy1524> one thing is did say is that the distro pre-install script failed to run but I ingnored that
[23:27] <luban> cheers - i've written that command down for future
[23:27] <Guy1524> I really need help guys, can't search the web because I can't launch gdm
[23:27] <Guy1524> I guess I could try installing lightdm but I highly doubt that would do anything
[23:27] <[Saint]> lynx
[23:27] <Guy1524> I guess Ill try it in tty3
[23:28] <reisio> Guy1524: ps aux | grep -i gdm
[23:28] <Guy1524> reisio: ok, trying that
[23:28] <noooob> Guy1524: try "sudo apt install nvidia-340"
[23:29] <Guy1524> noooob: I know I could fix it by installing nvidia-(insert driver here) but I want 364.16
[23:30] <Guy1524> but for some reason either nvidia or canonical decided they should stick the the infamously crappy 361 driver
[23:30] <noooob> Guy1524: i tried the 361 from the repos and it was just displaying me fancy squares, so i reverted back to 340 (which seems to be the only one that works on 16.04 for me)
[23:30] <Guy1524> reisio: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15974290
[23:31] <Guy1524> noooob: 361 works fine for me, but I need vulkan support plus, it crashes when I try to play rust
[23:32] <Guy1524> and 355 isn't supported either and that has vulkan support just not 1.0.8 like 364 does and my engine crashes on those older versions
[23:32] <reisio> Guy1524: sudo service gdm stop; ps aux | grep -i gdm3 | egrep -i '\/gdm3' && sudo killall gdm3; sudo service gdm start
[23:32] <Guy1524> oh wow, it will be fun typing that command out lol
[23:34] <Guy1524> job for gdm.service failed the control process exited with an error code
[23:35] <reisio> Guy1524: so you aren't on tty7 at a login screen right now
[23:35] <Guy1524> triggering OnFailure= dependencies
[23:35] <Guy1524> nope
[23:36] <Guy1524> I installed lightdm just recently
[23:36] <Guy1524> how do I start that?
[23:36] <user_> Hi
[23:36] <user_> Ubuntu 16.04 support ZFS , if I want a stable system as a desktop for daily use , Will advise use ZFS instead of  EXT4 ?
[23:36] <reisio> Guy1524: let's start more basic
[23:36] <reisio> Guy1524: you want to start GNOME in the end?
[23:36] <reisio> user_: should be fine, yes
[23:37] <reisio> user_: zfs has been supported for many years, it just hasn't been bundled with installers
[23:37] <chewyTree> Hello everyone!
[23:37] <reisio> it has a crappy license; there's an argument it isn't legal to bundle it
[23:37] <reisio> not much to do with stability, though
[23:37] <reisio> chewyTree: hio
[23:37] <snascar> hello friends..
[23:37] <chewyTree> Regarding end of update..it states packages that are to removed
[23:38] <reisio> hi friend (hi friend [HI FRIEND])
[23:38] <ratrace> reisio: I'm pretty sure the jury is still out on that one.
[23:38] <ratrace> the figurative jury.
[23:38] <reisio> ratrace: that's how almost all licensure law is, really
[23:38] <reisio> until someone sues someone else
[23:38] <chewyTree> I pressed d to show details..now im stuck on a list of packages to be removed
[23:38] <Guy1524_> reisio: I am on my brother's computer, typing sudo service lightdm start crashed the computer
[23:38] <chewyTree> and i dont know how to complete the install
[23:38] <reisio> it's all theoretical till there's a precident
[23:38] <reisio> Guy1524_: not really interested in what things I didn't ask you to run did :)
[23:39] <Guy1524_> well I was just trying to see if lightdm would work
[23:39] <reisio> chewyTree: tab?
[23:39] <reisio> Guy1524_: that's nice...
[23:39] <Guy1524_> what am I only supposed to try what you tell me to do and nothing else
[23:39] <reisio> not at all
[23:39] <chewyTree> reisio: nothing
[23:39] <reisio> but no need to prepend my nick on something I haven't expressed an interest in
[23:39] <user_> I know, but Is it fully compatible with Linux ? in Basically ZFS for BSD and OpenSolaris.
[23:40] <Guy1524_> k
[23:40] <reisio> chewyTree: 'd' again? esc?
[23:40] <ule> hi there.. Anyone managed to install ubuntu on i7 - 6Generation?
[23:40] <ule> http://s31.postimg.org/ulcrdkldn/IMG_20160421_190708.jpg
[23:40] <dbarros> anyone here knows what happened to persistence settings in new Startup Disk Creator?
[23:40] <DirtyCajun>  no matter whawt i do i cannot remove zfs_member from this HDD... what am i doing wrong? i have used Fdisk to rewrite the whole drive and mkfs to make it ext4 and it STILL says zfs_member
[23:40] <Guy1524_> well since you were helping me you must have had even just a little bit of interest in the problem, whatever, Ill reboot now
[23:40] <reisio> DirtyCajun: what says?
[23:40] <chewyTree> reisio everything ive done it just shows (END)
[23:40] <DirtyCajun> lsblk -f
[23:40] <reisio> Guy1524_: you can't CTRL+ALT+F2?
[23:41] <reisio> chewyTree: ah, press 'q'
[23:41] <Guy1524_> nope
[23:41] <DirtyCajun> as well as when using mount it detects multiple file systems which is what made me realize this in the first place reisio
[23:41] <Guy1524_> couldn't switch ppas
[23:41] <reisio> chewyTree: you're in a pager
[23:41] <reisio> probably 'less'
[23:41] <Guy1524_> *ttps
[23:41] <reisio> 'q' for quit
[23:41] <reisio> Guy1524_: bummer
[23:41] <user_> reisio , I know, but Is it fully compatible with Linux ? in Basically ZFS for BSD and OpenSolaris.
[23:41] <chewyTree> reisio damn, ive never been in that..
[23:41] <reisio> user_: yes, and has been roughly from its outset
[23:41] <snascar> How can i set battery charge to 80% an then disconnect?
[23:42] <reisio> user_: the only issue has ever been whether it was legal to distribute it with the kernel
[23:42] <reisio> that and, whether, because of that issue, it is worth using at all :p
[23:42] <reisio> but that's a separate issue from stability
[23:42] <reisio> snascar: for most hardware you can't
[23:42] <reisio> snascar: what is the make/model computer you have?
[23:42] <snascar> sony vaio vpc111
[23:43] <reisio> sony hardware has no facilities for that, AFAIK
[23:43] <reisio> your best would probably be to get a timer disconnect for the outlet you plug your charging cable into
[23:43] <reisio> you can get these in all sorts of places
[23:43] <user_> ok , thank you
[23:43] <chewyTree> reisio and to everyone here
[23:43] <snascar> thanks
[23:43] <chewyTree> thanks alot
[23:43] <reisio> snascar: so you set the timer to roughly how long it takes to charge to 80%, and it disconnects the power from the outlet end instead
[23:43] <reisio> snascar: in the future more laptops will no doubt support the functionality you want from the laptop end
[23:43] <reisio> lenovo thinkpads do right now
[23:44] <reisio> but nothing else, AFAIK
[23:44] <Guy1524_> if this helps it now says it enters low graphics mode then when I press OK it goes back to that frozen screen
[23:44] <Guy1524_> im going to try reinstalling the driver
[23:44] <reisio> Guy1524_: you want to start GNOME?
[23:44] <snascar> what's the best hardware (laptop/notebook) for ubuntu? full support on all drivers
[23:44] <Guy1524_> yes
[23:44] <Guest96551> can someone help me install skype? 14.04
[23:45] <reisio> snascar: there are supported hardware devices listed on ubuntu.com
[23:45] <reisio> snascar: I'd say the vast majority of all computers are supported by GNU/Linux, however
[23:45] <[Saint]> ~
[23:45] <reisio> Guest96551: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype
[23:45] <ratrace> reisio: he quit too soon, I was going to direct him to the ZoL list of issues which is a bit scary atm. On FreeBSD, ZFS rocks like nothing else. On Linux I've had issues. I wouldn't call it "stable", definitely not at the FreeBSD's ZFS level of stable.
[23:45] <reisio> Guy1524_: what does this command say?: which gnome-session
[23:46] <reisio> ratrace: yeah, what issues?
[23:46] <ratrace> reisio: also it's a resource hog and a bit different conceptually which may be a "culture shock" for someone not used to it
[23:46] <Guest96551> I've looked at that, nothing works
[23:46] <reisio> freebsd users would rarely even assent that gnu/linux is stable
[23:46] <ratrace> reisio: snapshot dirs inaccessible for instance
[23:46] <reisio> ratrace: you can say that about anything new
[23:46] <ratrace> there are a few open issues on that one
[23:46] <reisio> snapshots are not required
[23:46] <reisio> Guest96551: use http://talky.io/ instead
[23:47] <Guy1524_> one sec
[23:47] <ratrace> reisio: people tend to use ZoL for three reasons: snapshots, vdevs and checksumming :)
[23:48] <nownot> when I try to run fsck on a volume it says its in use ... any ides on what could be causing this?
[23:48] <reisio> IME they use it for one: it starts with 'z' and has a lot of hype
[23:48] <flask-> Question on compiling a custom kernel:  I followed the instructions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel but the resulting debs' names suggest that instlaling them would overwrite the default kernel (4.4.0-21-generic #37) because the versioning in the names is the same. I want a separate entry in the grub boot menu in case I have issues and want to switch back. What am I missing?
[23:48] <reisio> nownot: ...it being in use
[23:48] <reisio> nownot: umount it
[23:48] <[Saint]> nownot: just a guess, but, it's probably in use.
[23:48] <nownot> yeah ... i unmounted it
[23:49] <reisio> flask-: you can backup whatever you like in /boot/
[23:49] <nownot> anyway to see what process is still using that drive or causing it to say why its marked as still in use?
[23:49] <reisio> a kernel, an initrd, they are just files
[23:49] <Guest96551> Thanks, talky looks pretty damned cool
[23:49] <Guy1524_> what is the distribution provided pre install script
[23:49] <flask-> reisio: yeah but how would I access the backups if my custom kernel won't boot?
[23:49] <[Saint]> live session.
[23:50] <flask-> reisio: oh I'd just tell grub on the CLI to use the backups, duh
[23:50] <reisio> flask-: if you leave uniquely named copies in /boot/, you can access them from grub's menu
[23:50] <flask-> reisio: one more question -- is there an easy well to tell whether any of my modules (eg. my wifi driver) are part of l-r-m ? I'm not sure whether I need to bother rebuilding l-r-m.
[23:51] <reisio> flask-: lrm?
[23:51] <flask-> reisio: linux-restricted-modules
[23:51] <reisio> why not wait and see if you have a problem
[23:51] <flask-> becuase I'm neurotic?
[23:52] <flask-> ;)
[23:52] <reisio> why not not be neurotic? :)
[23:52] <reisio> I'm neurotic, too, but if I had myself to converse with (and I do), I would be asked this question of myself
[23:52] <reisio> conversations are great for working things out, even if you're having them with yourself
[23:52] <flask-> you know how it is, i'm paid to be a cautious software engineer all day, it's hard to cut loose at night even if it's my own box.
[23:52] <reisio> science has proven that kids who talk to themselves figure things out faster
[23:53] <Guy1524_> figured it out
[23:53] <Guy1524_> thx for help guys
[23:53] <reisio> (and that adults discourage this because they think it makes them seem crazy :p)
[23:53] <flask-> Guy1524_ must have been talking to himself
[23:53] <reisio> adults do everything wrong
[23:53] <reisio> Guy1524_ has definitely been talking to himself
[23:53] <reisio> Guy1524_: but gj anyway
[23:53] <flask-> my kid never stops talking and I can't tell how much of it is to himself or not
[23:53] <flask-> just talking
[23:53] <flask-> and talking
[23:53] <flask-> it never stops
[23:53] <reisio> flask-: contraceptive ftw
[23:53]  * reisio kids (mostly) :p
[23:54] <flask-> too late, #2 on the way
[23:54] <reisio> heheh
[23:54] <flask-> alright gonna go install these suckers
[23:54] <reisio> well you can pit the two against one another for silence
[23:54] <Guy1524_> actually nevermind, it looked like it was working, but now it is frozen and flashing, Ill come back later if I dont find a solution
[23:55] <reisio> Guy1524_: if you come back later if you don't find a solution, try answering people's questions
[23:55] <reisio> it'll get you farther
[23:56] <Guy1524_> ok
[23:56] <Guy1524_> ?
[23:57] <Sparklyballs> having issues with netboot image of xenial.
[23:58] <Sparklyballs> set up as VM , soon as the install has finished no output at all from VNC
[23:58] <feneco> hi, after i upgraded from 14.04 lts to 16.04 lts, when I open "Files" it does not keep the icon on unity launcher
[23:58] <feneco> any ideas?
[23:59] <citizenruin> <---i have a old hd if i take out this hd and plug in the other one will it boot up linux or windows