[00:15] <sakrecoer> forgot the password to the staging site again, here is mockup text for the feature tour: http://sakrecoer.com/ubuntustudio/featuretour.txt
[00:16] <sakrecoer> autumna zequence cub ^^
[00:16] <autumna> lol
[00:18] <autumna> I'll start copy pasting this up to the feature tour
[00:20] <autumna> do you have any graphics (background or foreground yet?)
[00:21] <sakrecoer> yeah, yo used one already i think, here is for audio: http://sakrecoer.com/ubuntustudio/tour/assets/img/audio/ubuntustudio-mixer.png
[00:21] <sakrecoer> here is for video: http://sakrecoer.com/ubuntustudio/tour/assets/img/video/ubuntustudio-ayo.png
[00:21] <sakrecoer> graphics i'm not quite sure...
[00:23] <sakrecoer> autumna: i mean he graphics workflow
[00:24] <sakrecoer> but for the foreground, i used moka icon theme: https://code.launchpad.net/~moka/mokaproject/moka-icon-theme
[00:25] <autumna> do we have licenses for the backgrounds?
[00:25] <sakrecoer> 99% sure, they are ubuntustudio wallapaper
[00:26] <autumna> ok
[00:28] <sakrecoer> moka icon theme is creative common 4.0
[00:29] <sakrecoer> so if we use them we need to write it somewhere...
[00:30] <sakrecoer> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ 
[00:30] <autumna> we might replace the backgrounds if need be just trying to keep track of everything
[00:38] <sakrecoer> autumna: well it seems we will use the good ol site for this release, so there is still plenty of time for that. :)
[00:38] <autumna> yup :)
[00:38] <autumna> well it is probably not a good idea to try to change the site right when everyone is trying to reach it anyway :P
[00:39] <sakrecoer> if you have any idea for illustrating the graphics in a background friendly way, be my guest. i'm facing void with it somehow...
[00:40] <sakrecoer> good point hehe..
[00:45] <OvenWerks> downloading 32 bit
[00:47] <OvenWerks> only %6 to download
[01:19] <autumna> sakrecoer if I have time I might even poke at the possibility of animated background for first bit
[01:19] <autumna> http://www.ubuntustudio.zequence.net/feature-test/ feel free to pile stuff in. there is ways to make columns. 
[01:20] <autumna> and I am off for the night. gnight everyone
[02:25] <OvenWerks> gnome-software seems to have been fixed
[02:25] <OvenWerks> 32 bit tested ok (from what I can tell)
[02:26] <OvenWerks> Still have 64bit to test.
[03:11] <OvenWerks> I have done as much testing as I could on both ISOs. I have not done upgrade testing.
[03:11] <OvenWerks> It appears that the big change was gnome-software in the last spin.
[03:12] <OvenWerks> If no one else has time for testing, they can be marked ready.
[03:19] <OvenWerks> The two things I can comment on... plymouth doesn't show at all on boot once installed, but does on shutdown. That is probably ok, it does show when booting the ISO which is when the first impression is made.
[03:23] <OvenWerks> Anyone else have dual screens? Grub is funny on dual screens. The computer boots in "mirror" mode and so the grub menu is on both screens. When using the down key to go through the menu one monitor is ahead of the other. That is, one down press, right monitor moves to second item, second press right monitor moves to third item left monitor moves to second.
[03:23] <OvenWerks> I think my right is primary.
[03:23] <OvenWerks> Is it just me?
[04:10] <krytarik> OvenWerks: I found this one anyway - and no bug report yet: http://askubuntu.com/questions/710922/grub2-boot-menus-out-of-sync-on-dual-monitors
[04:19] <OvenWerks> krytarik: It is funny how I never noticed it before. I eyes are drawn to the first monitor to display the menu (there is quite a long lag a that point) and so I have never looked at the second monitor.
[04:22] <OvenWerks> I will wait till I have done my final 16.04 install before doing the bug report. I still use the grub from 14.04 to boot... this is possibly fixed since.
[08:09] <sakrecoer> OvenWerks: that would explain why it failed on my dual screen.
[08:10] <sakrecoer> zsyncing in a minute
[08:14] <sakrecoer> OvenWerks: my grub failed completly tho. menu has no entry for the new install
[08:15] <sakrecoer> i havent' installed on that machine since i got the second screen
[08:43] <sakrecoer> autumna: that looks superb!!!
[08:45] <sakrecoer> autumna: on my wide screen, the first image doesn't fill up and repeats, but it is a detail.
[08:45] <sakrecoer> aldo morning all.
[08:45] <sakrecoer> *also
[09:58] <cub> sakrecoer: http://sakrecoer.com/ubuntustudio/featuretour.txt, just a few misspellings, "Virutal Instruments", "Ubuntustudio"
[09:59] <cub> And maybe we should update the "Ubuntu Studio is a Linux-based operating system" to go inline with the start page and/or About page.
[10:00] <cub> now...work meetings for the rest of the day..:/
[10:29] <sakrecoer> anyone else got this? bug #1572938
[10:55] <zequence> Ah, the current ISO has already been smoke tested.
[11:02] <sakrecoer> utter fail on my production machine
[11:02] <sakrecoer> something corrupted the boot drive
[11:03] <sakrecoer> that is what gparted says.
[11:03] <sakrecoer> i can still boot into 14.04 but there is no entry fro 16.04 in grub menu
[11:03] <sakrecoer> dual screen...
[11:04] <sakrecoer> nvidia..
[11:04] <zequence> sakrecoer: But didn't you mark it passed?
[11:04] <sakrecoer> on my laptop it passed
[11:04] <zequence> Ok
[11:04] <sakrecoer> can i only make one test?
[11:04] <zequence> Is it UEFI, or old BIOS?
[11:04] <sakrecoer> legacy
[11:04] <sakrecoer> old
[11:04] <zequence> No, you can make as many as you wish. If it's a critical fail, it's a critical fail
[11:04] <sakrecoer> well... on my mb i can chose
[11:05] <zequence> Right, but you are using legacy?
[11:05] <sakrecoer> yes
[11:06] <sakrecoer> can't repport the grub bug with ubuntu-bug, what files/logs are needed? i can acces the partition of 16.04 from the 14.04 install...
[11:10] <sakrecoer> zequence: is it grub or grub2 that is in use on 16.04?
[11:11] <sakrecoer> grub2 ok...
[11:18] <zequence> sakrecoer: If you can't boot into it, it's a little hard to use ubuntu-bug. Could be possible to chroot into that system though
[11:19] <sakrecoer> bug #1572971
[11:19] <zequence> And, perhaps the install logs would be interesting to see, if they are still in /var somewhere
[11:20] <sakrecoer> just made a checksum to be certain, and my iso file is all good :(
[11:20] <sakrecoer> i think i'll try install and reformat. jsut finished the backup... touching wood
[11:36] <sakrecoer> zsync does the checksum automagicaly anyways, right?
[11:38] <zequence> sakrecoer: It has failed me at one or two times in the past. Not sure exactly what it does
[11:38] <zequence> I had to do another zsync, and then it worked
[11:40] <sakrecoer> ok.. hmm.. but the md5sum gave me correct output, so that can't be the problem right?
[11:41] <zequence> No, then it should be good
[11:41] <sakrecoer> i hope it was the last iso that corrupted my boot-drive..
[11:41] <sakrecoer> and that reformating everything will make everything good :)
[11:42] <sakrecoer> in process right now... 
[11:43] <sakrecoer> if not i will aslo try to just unplugg one screen... if the fault remains, then it has to be something fishy with nvidia drivers
[11:43] <zequence> nvidia drivers won't affect GRUB
[11:43] <zequence> NOthing will, except the installer, pretty much
[11:44] <zequence> From what I understand, you were just lacking the sections in GRUB for your new installation
[11:44] <zequence> That usually means GRUB was not installed into the MBR, but somewhere else
[11:44] <sakrecoer> yes
[11:44] <zequence> So, the word corruption is highly speculative at this point
[11:45] <sakrecoer> i mentioned that in the bug repport actualy
[11:46] <sakrecoer> put it into parenthesis and added "Boots straight into 14.04 where Gparted reports boot-drive to be corrupted." 
[11:47] <zequence> Oh, right. gparted
[11:47] <sakrecoer> i used gparted shortly before installing, and there was no warning messages. they came up after the iso test yesterday, which were not done with the latest build
[11:48] <zequence> To reproduce, you meay need recreate the dual boot situation
[11:48] <zequence> ..and follow the same steps you did last time, when installing the second one
[11:48] <zequence> I did a dual boot, or  triple boot yesterday, so it works for me
[11:49] <zequence> But, could be I did somethig different
[11:49] <sakrecoer> zequence, you did that on a dual screen?
[11:49] <zequence> sakrecoer: I don't see why you think that has anything to do with GRUB
[11:49] <sakrecoer> well read OvenWerks chats above
[11:50] <sakrecoer> and it works fine on my laoptop, here i have triple boot too
[11:50] <zequence> sakrecoer: Ok, so GRUB is displayed on two screens
[11:50] <sakrecoer> ovenwerk had the same problem as described here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/710922/grub2-boot-menus-out-of-sync-on-dual-monitors
[11:50] <zequence> But, that won't affect the installation of it
[11:50] <sakrecoer> no, i have a different problem...
[11:51] <sakrecoer> but grub since to dislike dualscreens, and that is the only major difference i can see between my laptop and my desktop
[11:51] <zequence> Yeah, well, it
[11:52] <zequence> There's no correlation between installing stuff and how it is shown on screen, unless we are talking about configs based on a setup
[11:52] <zequence> If GRUB installs screen configs, that would be utterly idioti
[11:53] <zequence> IT needs to work on any machine, anytime
[11:53] <zequence> So, I'm about 99.99% sure that's not the case here
[11:54] <sakrecoer> alright...
[11:54] <sakrecoer> now the formatation was finished, and i can't boot at all.
[11:54] <sakrecoer> format+freshinstall
[11:55] <zequence> Ok, so something is not working on that machine. That's pretty serious, unless there's a problem with your drive
[11:55] <zequence> You could try installing onto a usb stick on the same machine.
[11:55] <zequence> Or, another drive
[11:56] <zequence> sakrecoer: Do you have multiple drives, btw?
[11:56] <zequence> I'm still wondering about if you are ware of where GRUB is being installed
[11:56] <sakrecoer> yes. 2
[11:56] <zequence> So, did you check when installing this time? How did you do the installation?
[11:56] <zequence> Did you partition manually or did you choose an automatic option?
[11:57] <sakrecoer> i chose erase disk and install 16.04, picked the disk where i have my system (sdb) and went on
[11:57] <zequence> Ok
[11:57] <zequence> So, that's the problem then
[11:57] <sakrecoer> automatic
[11:57] <zequence> GRUB is in sda
[11:57] <zequence> Doesn't affect the content of the drive, only that GRUB is installed there
[11:57] <zequence> So, that was probably your problem all along
[11:57] <sakrecoer> it worked like that last time i installed..
[11:57] <sakrecoer> but ok :)
[11:58] <flocculant> sakrecoer: it always defaults to sda
[11:58] <zequence> You can either change the order of your drives in the MB config, or you partition manually, and select the drive where GRUB is installed from the same window (the partitioner)
[11:59] <sakrecoer> flocculant: than i must have made it manually..
[11:59] <flocculant> yup
[11:59] <sakrecoer> zequence: ok
[12:01] <sakrecoer> i wonder why that drive gets sdb, it is first in order. must be the way they are connected or something..
[12:01] <zequence> Could be something has changed with the latest kernel doing that
[12:04] <sakrecoer> yeah, its on sata 2
[12:04] <zequence> Oh, right, of course. It's done physically
[12:05] <sakrecoer> i need food... anways it 12:05 UTC which means there are 4 hours left :D
[12:06] <sakrecoer> should i mark that bug as invalid?
[12:06] <sakrecoer> bug #1572971
[12:13] <Rosco2> sakrecoer, if you are sure it is not a bug the mark invalid
[12:14] <Rosco2> otherwise add a note to it that it might not be a bug so others can try and reproduce
[12:16] <Rosco2> bug #1531852 not reported this time around. Is it Ok now - or just not tested?
[12:17] <Rosco2> Just trying to tidy up our release notes as I go
[12:22] <sakrecoer> Rosco2: regarding recordmydesktop, last weeks iso didn't adress it... i can try it now.
[12:22] <sakrecoer> i marked the grub bug as an "opinion" because i was expecting the installer to automagicaly put grub on the same drive as the system
[12:23] <sakrecoer> but i guess that makes it an installer bug
[12:23] <sakrecoer> and that would be ubiquity right?
[12:23] <sakrecoer> (maybe "wishfully thinking" would fit "opinion" better than "expecting)
[12:25] <zequence> sakrecoer: I think what you could do is create a bug for ubiquity about not being able to select where GRUB is installed
[12:25] <zequence> (when not doing a manual partitioning)
[12:25] <zequence> That's something even I could probably be able to fix in the code
[12:30] <zequence> Think we should look into other websites, particularly free software projects, and take some pointers on how to do our website
[12:31] <autumna> *steps in*
[12:32] <autumna> zequence: fully agreed. I have been already looking into other ubuntu distros sites. 
[12:33] <zequence> I was just looking at Libre Office. Not just the graphics side of it, but what things to express in text and images
[12:33] <zequence> We could put together a list of websites that are good to take example of in different ways, and start figuring out how we want to do it
[12:34] <zequence> We make a plan first, before doing all the work with the pages
[12:34] <autumna> that is a good idea, I would also suggest that if anyone has any very strong opinions and ideas about how to build a particular page, that they do it, then we can look at different versions and mix and match
[12:40] <autumna> one thing I was thinking that what sakrecoer created as "feature tour" actually makes a good intro, but then each category needs to link I think to more detailed overview of various software we have and what they are used for, in sort of sub categories. (idea sort of adapted from software boutique of mate, rather than website tbh although it looks like there was plan for that in the previous website as well)
[12:41] <autumna> also another thing to think is that once we figure out what is the general plan, figure out which parts are required to launch the site, then produce some of the content regularly, continously, rather than trying to do everything in one swoop, and either take forever or have it rushed...
[12:41] <autumna> just thinking out loud
[12:42] <zequence> Yes, it would be good to have subcategories defined
[12:43] <zequence> I like how Libre Office has submenus for "Discover". That's where we could put those pages, apart from linking to them for the front page as well
[12:43] <autumna> ok you know what. I am writing these down to the wiki. hang on
[12:46] <sakrecoer> Rosco2: oddly, screenrecorder worked fine in the live-session now. but not in the post installation
[12:47] <zequence> video stuff may not work in virtual environments, so those should always be checked on hardware
[12:47] <Rosco2> odd. worked for me last time in live. Never tested on after install
[12:47] <zequence> (just saying, not to sakrecoer)
[12:47] <sakrecoer> zequence: i'm doing it on hardwRE
[12:47] <sakrecoer> AH OK
[12:47] <sakrecoer> sorry caps
[12:48] <sakrecoer> autumna: zequence: what is the plan for the current websites feature tour, it needs a bit of adjustment..
[12:48] <zequence> sakrecoer: OK, MAN
[12:48] <sakrecoer> :)
[12:48] <zequence> sakrecoer: As me and autumna were just saying. We should make a plan for it. Do some research first
[12:49] <sakrecoer> zequence: yes i read that, i'm thinking about this page: http://ubuntustudio.org/tour/
[12:49] <sakrecoer> or are we going to wait to announce release until we have the feature tour ready?
[12:49] <zequence> sakrecoer: Oh, well, if you want to change things there now, please do. Otherwise, we'll just change later
[12:49] <zequence> No, we announce today, and change the Download page
[12:49] <autumna> I assumed we were just going to put the download link and not make changes to rest?
[12:50] <sakrecoer> ok, i made a mockup of the download page yesterday, and also a draft post for release anouncement
[12:50] <sakrecoer> autumna: thing is there are quite a few changes: software gone, other new... so we might just need to remove some text and and some other. no biggie..
[12:51] <zequence> sakrecoer: Alright, but I think I would like to finish that up (the release announcement), considering it's my last release and I was thinking of adding the new about the project leader shift, as well
[12:51] <sakrecoer> sure man! :) be myguest!
[12:51] <autumna> cool
[12:51] <sakrecoer> or rather: sure boss :) your wish is my command :)
[12:51]  * zequence is the boss of bosses
[12:52] <autumna> (btw sakrecoer minor thing but I do have an idea about feature tour background images. but I will need help for the video section *laughs*)
[12:53] <sakrecoer> sure autumna! 
[12:55] <autumna> ok I am kind of stuck on the front page, first impressions and all that.
[12:55] <zequence> I'm starting to rethink a little, still using sakrecoer's version as the main inspiration
[12:55] <autumna> *nods*
[12:56] <autumna> 2 places I am looking that I find I like are https://www.blender.org/
[12:56] <zequence> But, we should really forget about the old feature tour all together and start from scratch with the textual part of it - which can be combined with symbols
[12:56] <autumna> https://ubuntu-mate.org/community/
[12:56] <autumna> err the wrong link. the main page of that. 
[12:57] <autumna> about that I can try to do the graphics section of it..
[12:58] <zequence> The blender site is very efficient for them. They have lots of news, so worth having that on the front page. Background white, very modern web page, functional. The website for Mate, I feel is a little plain
[12:58] <zequence> So, I'm hoping we can do better :)
[12:59] <autumna> mate I like the content organization (I am not sure I like libreoffice for that)
[13:00] <zequence> Libre Office is quite a bit richer than what we need
[13:00] <autumna> blender's updates, I don't know I go back and forth on that. on one hand seeing regular updates on front page helps users feel things are changing, that the project is fresh. on other hand is it clutter we don't need?
[13:00] <zequence> But, there are details here and there worth checking out
[13:00] <autumna> I think libreoffice overall did a great job, but.. its almost.. too much stuff.
[13:01] <cub> ubuntu-mate.org doesn't translate well to mobile
[13:01] <sakrecoer> ha.. ok, libreoffice has a different page for swedish verison
[13:02] <autumna> oh yeah I was looking at the english one
[13:02] <sakrecoer> autumna: clutter on the front page, rather not indeed
[13:02] <zequence> sakrecoer: Really?
[13:02] <zequence> See, this is why I said there are details that are interesting
[13:02] <sakrecoer> zequence: duckduckgo brought me here: https://sv.libreoffice.org/
[13:02] <autumna> cub: it is the same layout we are using. and it seems to scale ok? which aspect are you referring to?
[13:03] <zequence> sakrecoer: I think that's what the English version used to look like too
[13:03] <autumna> sakrecoer: that is like the opposite end of the spectrum, compared to the libreoffice.org
[13:03] <autumna> ;D
[13:03] <cub> Mate don't scale on my iPhone 5
[13:03] <cub> text is wider than screen
[13:03] <autumna> oh dear
[13:04] <sakrecoer> yeah, libreoffice.org gives me headache...
[13:04] <sakrecoer> :D
[13:05] <sakrecoer> mate is pretty much what we have with the new theme, isn't it?
[13:05] <autumna> cub, http://www.ubuntustudio.zequence.net/ could you test this on same device?
[13:05] <zequence> I'm more focusing on the way it communicates - not the graphics or the actual content
[13:05] <autumna> just to make sure there isn't a bug in the theme that is affecting everybody
[13:05] <zequence> The most important thing with the website is to explain to people what UBuntu Studio is
[13:05] <sakrecoer> in a way, what you did here autumna http://www.ubuntustudio.zequence.net/feature-test/ i can see that being the front page really...
[13:05] <autumna> I mean when you have the chance doesn't have to be now
[13:05] <autumna> ;)
[13:05] <zequence> sakrecoer: I redid that a bit, just before
[13:05] <zequence> It's work in progress
[13:06] <autumna> sakrecoer yup. I was debating having a few blog post blurbs there or not, but i think for libreoffice, the slideshow ends up tipping it toward too much
[13:06] <zequence> While doing it, I realized we need to rethink how we do it
[13:06] <autumna> you should be going on one direction, not 2, in my opinion, but hey that's just my opinion
[13:06] <zequence> Look, can we stop talking about Libre Office now? I never said we should take their look
[13:06] <autumna> zequence: what do you want to change? or rethink?
[13:07] <autumna> hahahaha sorry
[13:07] <zequence> If I say details, I don't mean the whole thing, ok?
[13:07] <zequence> autumna: That is why I suggested we start doing research and make a plan
[13:08] <zequence> I at least feel we can improve it a few steps
[13:08] <autumna> zequence: i am all for that. I was just not sure if there is any parts you feel is not working (even if you don't have a solution)  *shrugs*
[13:08] <zequence> I don't really see the page saying anything yet. It's just four containers of color
[13:09] <zequence> The most important part is what it communicates
[13:09] <zequence> People who don't know what UBuntu Studio is should understand that as quickly as possible
[13:09] <cub> http://www.ubuntustudio.zequence.net/ scales nice (so far) on iPhone 5 at least
[13:09] <autumna> cub: *phiew* 
[13:09] <autumna> thank you for testing it
[13:10] <zequence> We already knew that page works
[13:10] <zequence> It's cause of knome's theme
[13:11] <knome> cub, my fault, sorry! :P
[13:11] <autumna> hi knome
[13:12] <autumna> zequence: ok. so I am a new user. why am I here. this is not a software, this is a distro, so I want to know.. well first how to get it. we have that
[13:12] <autumna> why should I use this distro, what is it, the blurb is good for that but.. hmm
[13:12] <zequence> autumna: Yeah, let's make a plan for. But, right now, we should focus on the upcoming release.
[13:13] <autumna> yeah
[13:13] <autumna> sorry to distract all of you
[13:13] <zequence> autumna: Don't be sorry
[13:16] <sakrecoer> autumna, i would suggest you write down a concept and send it to ubuntustudio-devel mailing list :) that would help us all read things calmly in a well organized way. (which sort of implies higher convining potential)
[13:16] <sakrecoer> it would also create a nice and easy to follow trail :)
[13:16] <autumna> thanks sakrecoer I was thinking of dumping it all on the wiki, but for the brainstorm/dialogue that works better
[13:19] <sakrecoer> autumna: yes, we can have the wiki-page zequence created to keep track of decisions made in the brainstorm
[13:19] <autumna> *nods*
[13:20] <zequence> You know what? I think I will skip the whole web site thing. It's really not my responsibility anymore, and I can use the extra time.
[13:20] <cub> hehe
[13:20] <zequence> But, you can continue using my web hotel for staging
[13:21] <sakrecoer> zequence: :) i was about to ask how the music is going <3 can we still count on your casual feedback and pertinent insights on the outcome of the brainstorming?
[13:22] <autumna> zequence: what sakrecoer said
[13:22] <zequence> Of course. After release, I might not be following IRC as much, but I will always be logged in as usual. I'll also be monitoring the mail lists
[13:22] <zequence> If I think of something, I'll let you know
[13:22] <sakrecoer> \o/
[13:23] <autumna> :)
[13:23] <autumna> I am torn between saying "we'll miss you" and "enjoy your vacation"
[13:27] <zequence> If you have any questions about the technicalities around the theming and implementing it on our main website, just let me know. knome can also assist in this
[13:29] <Rosco2> bug #1572669
[13:29] <Rosco2> I think there was a new ulpoad of Gnme Software before the last respin
[13:29] <Rosco2> Works for me. Others still see it?
[13:30] <sakrecoer> Rosco2: works for me too :)
[13:30] <Rosco2> OK, I will mark it as probably fixed in the last version after reading the changelog
[13:31] <cub> Should be release in about an hour?
[13:31] <sakrecoer> bug #1572979 makes the process of the QA test fail at point 17 in http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/359/builds/117407/testcases/1300/results
[13:32] <sakrecoer> but the good news, is that after swtiching the sata ports of my drives, the install went smooth.
[13:32] <sakrecoer> forgive my ignorance, grub and all you who helped me understand what was going on <3
[13:33] <zequence> sakrecoer: 16.04.1 will be the next point release, so this release is just 16.04
[13:34] <zequence> You could say this one is 16.04.0
[13:35] <sakrecoer> zequence: ok :) are you reffering to the drafts on the website?
[13:35] <zequence> sakrecoer: Yes, I was filling in the missing links there. Since they all follow the same scheme, it's pretty straightforward
[13:36] <sakrecoer> great!
[13:36] <sakrecoer> i'm super greatfull you insisted on doing that zequence.. i have some issue i need to deal with arround 5 pm UTC+2
[13:38] <zequence> sakrecoer: It's my last duty and should fall on me anyway
[13:39] <autumna> zequence: sakrecoer you need any help with the updating of the current site?
[13:40] <zequence> autumna: sakrecoer wanted to do some minor changes in the feature tour. If you can spot the stuff that needs changing, you are free to do so
[13:40] <autumna> ok
[13:41] <zequence> I'm almost done with the Download page. And, the release notes should be done by me anyway
[13:41] <autumna> if you want a beta after you are done writing it. let me know.
[13:42] <autumna> sakrecoer: were you planning to reorganize the tour to make it 3 categories?
[13:42] <zequence> autumna: No, just change some stuff that isn't accurate anymore among the package selection
[13:43] <Rosco2> I still want to run live install & post install once
[13:43] <autumna> ok I'll take a look but I am not sure how much help unfortunately, since I am not exactly up to date as to what changed.
[13:43] <Rosco2> Any objections to me marking the ISO ready as I go?
[13:43] <zequence> Rosco2: Nope
[13:43] <sakrecoer> Rosco2: nope
[13:45] <sakrecoer> this one bug #1572938 happened on my other machine aswell... you guys not?
[13:47] <Rosco2> Thats why I wanted to run the live session once
[13:47] <cub> Rosco2: Go go go! :D
[13:49] <Rosco2> OK - I trust you guys - I marked it ready
[13:49] <cub> sakrecoer: I didn't get #1572938 yesterday, but perhaps something changed in the latest spin
[13:50] <sakrecoer> cub: it works fine until you restart the network-manager from the indicators menu
[13:51] <sakrecoer> and actualy, it reconnects allright, jsut the icon is changed and the list of available networks vanishes
[13:54] <Rosco2> Think I will leave reference in the Release Notes to the old bugs that seem to still be there.
[13:54] <Rosco2> The new ones reported seem to be minor, so won't mention them
[13:55] <Rosco2> Anything else I should tweak on there bosses?
[13:55] <Rosco2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuStudio
[13:57] <autumna> it says pre-release
[13:57] <autumna> is this for testing or for publishing? 
[13:58]  * autumna is somewhat lost
[13:58] <Rosco2> Thanks - it was a copy and paste
[13:58] <autumna> no worries. *continues to read*
[13:58] <Rosco2> error
[14:02] <OvenWerks> Sorry for not testing recordmydesktop, it was not in the bugs to watch for section.
[14:03] <autumna> very minor nitpick: "The categorization in the menu has changed. Still work in progress, but we have gone from 5 main categories down to 3 - audio, graphics and video."
[14:04] <autumna> correction proposed: "The categorization in the menu has changed from 5 categories down to 3 - audio, graphics and video"
[14:04] <OvenWerks> autumna: you could say 4, because photography still has it's own menu
[14:04] <OvenWerks> It is just sub to graphics
[14:04] <autumna> ok s
[14:05] <OvenWerks> But yes, the menu has changed.
[14:05] <autumna> "The categorization in the menu has changed from 5 categories down to 3 - audio, gaphics and video. Photography is now available as a subcategory under Graphics"
[14:05] <Rosco2> Thanks
[14:05] <OvenWerks> Also, the install is still 5 categories.
[14:05] <zequence> Rosco2: I changed the row on desktop changes, saying we synced with xubuntu pretty much
[14:06] <zequence> If you prefer a different wording, please redo it
[14:06] <autumna> OvenWerks and everyone isn't that more of a known issue than a "change" through?
[14:06] <zequence> autumna: What is?
[14:07] <OvenWerks> autumna: I need to know what "that" is
[14:07] <autumna> zequence: the install having 5 categories.
[14:07] <OvenWerks> I think that is a good thing
[14:07] <zequence> It's not very important. The menu does not reflect upon our packaging. They are two different things
[14:07] <OvenWerks> For install it would not hurt to make more categories
[14:07] <zequence> I agree
[14:08] <OvenWerks> Easier to install just the sw the user wants.
[14:08] <autumna> I am neutral either way. I would say it made sense to merge publishing and graphics through
[14:09] <zequence> autumna: We aren't making that kinf of choices right now. We're preparing release notes
[14:09] <OvenWerks> :)
[14:09] <autumna> just approving the choice made zeuqence ;D
[14:09] <autumna> *typing fail*
[14:10] <autumna> Zequence's item rewording proposed: Desktop features of Ubuntu Studio are now fully synced with Xubuntu
[14:10] <autumna> nvm the current wording is fine
[14:11] <zequence> autumna: I'm not sure you know whether or not that is true
[14:11] <zequence> "fully" would not be totally accurate
[14:13] <autumna> zequence: I don't know anything, just working from what i am listening here :) 
[14:13] <zequence> autumna: Considering you are so new here, I would suggest you leave this part for us
[14:13] <zequence> It's the sum of the work for the past 6 months
[14:14] <autumna> *nods* sorry to overstep. 
[14:14] <zequence> I'm sure you'll be better informed if you stick around for the next cycle, when it's time for this again :)
[14:14] <Rosco2> Just made autumna's category & prerelease tweaks
[14:14] <Rosco2> I have to go and fetch my son - back in 15 mins
[14:16] <zequence> Isn't ardour the same as ardour3 now?
[14:16] <sakrecoer> glad to confrim ffado is working fine here...
[14:17] <sakrecoer> now i just need to figure out how to make blender cuda aware again :p but that is not our problem (pointing fingers at nvidia)
[14:19] <zequence> ardour3 is just a transitional package since ardour was not replaced with ardour(4)
[14:20] <zequence> Changing the line about ardour
[14:24] <zequence> Let me do a diff and see which packages we have changed in the multimedia metas between releases
[14:24] <zequence> sakrecoer: What FF device are you using?
[14:26] <sakrecoer> zequence: terratec phase 88 rack
[14:27] <sakrecoer> plug'n'play <3
[14:27] <zequence> sakrecoer: Oh, a firewire kind. A friend has two of those as PCIs
[14:28] <zequence> I'm going to make a tool for reporting diffs in between releases, making this part of the release notes a bit simpler
[14:31] <sakrecoer> zequence: <3
[14:35] <sakrecoer> Rosco2: zequence: maybe a mention about the new wallpapers? not a crucial change, but would make the community happy i think
[14:35] <sakrecoer> ^ re: release notes
[14:36] <sakrecoer> not sure if i should edit the page or if that will mess up your current edits..
[14:37] <sakrecoer> -> wont edit anything until green light. however: "ImageMagick Entries not working" should now be "ImageMagick Entry not working"
[14:38] <zequence> sakrecoer: The community wallpaper part seems important, yes
[14:39] <Rosco2> zequence, obvious addition to metas is the puredata metapackage
[14:40] <zequence> Rosco2: Yes, but I'm thinking I should omit that, unless it added something new
[14:40] <zequence> I need to check
[14:41] <Rosco2> I only mentioned because the diff will show less, but in reality there is more :-)
[14:42] <zequence> Also, I'm considering we should do a changes since Wily, and a changes since Trusty on the package selection
[14:42] <zequence> Rosco2: Right
[14:43] <autumna> is there any particular reason why ardour item is combined with the rest of the package update item? otherwise it might make sense to split them. 
[14:47] <zequence> autumna: We will probably change that line soon, as more packages will be included
[14:47] <Rosco2> Just what I started typing
[14:47] <autumna> *laughs*
[14:53] <zequence> diff trusty -> xenial http://paste.ubuntu.com/15966456/
[14:53] <zequence> Unfortunately, not very good color scheme there
[14:54] <zequence> Diff wily -> xenial http://paste.ubuntu.com/15966487/
[14:55] <zequence> actually, if we are going to do both, the one diff should be trusty -> wily
[14:56] <zequence> Which is this one http://paste.ubuntu.com/15966521/
[14:56] <zequence> I'm going to start looking at that. If someone would like to assist, do the one trust -> xenial
[14:56] <zequence> Sorry
[14:56] <zequence> wily -> xenial
[14:57] <zequence> Proably easier to download as text and open with an editor that has color scheming
[14:59] <sakrecoer> zequence: "<" means removed and ">" means added?
[14:59] <sakrecoer> can't be..
[15:00] <sakrecoer> don't worry too much, i take note of my question and will shoot it at a better moment
[15:00] <zequence> sakrecoer: No, it's right. But, you have to remember that some files have changed as well.
[15:00] <zequence> Like, -audio-core was introduced after trusty
[15:00] <zequence> And, pd stuff was removed, and replaced with a meta package
[15:01] <zequence> I can only find three significant changes between trusty and wily
[15:01] <zequence> ubuntustudio-audio-core, petri-foo and x42-plugins
[15:02] <zequence> Sorry, additions
[15:02] <zequence> There are removals too
[15:03] <zequence> Thinking we don't mention desktop changes specifically. Just that it was synced with Xubuntu
[15:04] <zequence> So, the only significant removal I could find was lv2fil
[15:04] <zequence> I'm adding those as changes since trusty
[15:07] <zequence> sakrecoer: Are you looking at something right now?
[15:13] <sakrecoer> zequence: not really, need a hand
[15:13] <sakrecoer> ?
[15:14] <zequence> sakrecoer: No, it's alright. I'm almost done
[15:21] <zequence> Ok, think I got it. Always a chance for an error somewhere. Hard to create a diff tool that is smarter than this, without lots of config options needed
[15:23] <sakrecoer> i'm fighting with the wifi bug,
[15:23] <sakrecoer> i get disconnected sometimes from the hotspot of my phone (ubuntuphone :p)
[15:24] <sakrecoer> and then it takes much fight with the NM to get back online
[15:25] <sakrecoer> (the disconnection issue isn't new to xenial)
[15:26] <Rosco2> Sorry zequence - I thought sakrecoer was on the case
[15:27] <Rosco2> Then I got distracted with my favourite test case which ends with me playing youtube videos of my favourite Aussie bands from the old days :-)
[15:27] <zequence> Rosco2: I didn't really need any help :)
[15:27] <zequence> haha
[15:28] <sakrecoer> Rosco2: lol, well i could barly read those diffs so...
[15:28] <sakrecoer> plus i've had to reboot a few times to get wifi
[15:31] <sakrecoer> ok, well it looks like i resolved my wifi problem this time. \o/
[15:32] <sakrecoer> looked into the connection editor, there was one entry for ethernet and 2 for wifi.
[15:33] <sakrecoer> deleted them all, rebooted, and now i can't even reproduce it
[15:33] <zequence> sakrecoer: Maybe the new kernel can attach to the neighbours wifi as well?
[15:33] <zequence> I haven't had any problems myself, but I didn't mess much with the applets
[15:33] <sakrecoer> both wifi had m wifi name, but the sconed with a 2 appendedn
[15:34] <zequence> I'm all done with the release announcement, so pretty much done until Ubuntu is released
[15:34] <sakrecoer> the thernet i don't know who it got there... haven't plugged an ethernet cable in ages
[15:34] <zequence> The way we know it is released is when either someone says GO! in the -release channel, or they post an announcement in the mail lists
[15:35] <sakrecoer> ok
[15:35] <zequence> Even if we have our cdimages ready, we should wait with release announcements until we get a go, which is how I described
[15:36] <sakrecoer> my brain is fried from yesterday and today...
[15:37] <zequence> I don't usually do this amount of work, but I guess you guys inspire me
[15:39] <zequence> Don't want to be the sloppy one in the bunch
[15:41] <sakrecoer> i'm really not used to this type of IRC pressure..
[15:41] <sakrecoer> need to work on that..
[15:41] <zequence> sakrecoer: You'll have six months to prepare for the next one
[15:42] <Rosco2> :-)
[15:42] <sakrecoer> i geuess by then it will be worse, i have almost not checked -release at all this time
[15:43] <sakrecoer> my typing has gone from bad to worse in 24 hours
[15:43] <zequence> It's good to go in there and see the latest developments now and again
[15:43] <zequence> Does it look weird with so much bold text in the release notes now?
[15:43] <zequence> I though either have it on all packages, or none. But, now I'm not sure
[15:44] <zequence> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuStudio
[15:44] <sakrecoer> i guess its ok.
[15:44] <zequence> Rosco2: Thanks for the great work on the release notes, btw.
[15:45] <sakrecoer> still no mention about wallpapers..
[15:45] <zequence> sakrecoer: Oh, just add it
[15:45] <sakrecoer> ok
[15:55] <sakrecoer> so weird, on the production machine there is also a wired connection and 2 wifi connections... none of them have the same mac adresse in the device field..
[15:55] <sakrecoer> however, deleting all entries solved it there too..
[16:32] <Rosco2> It is done!
[16:32] <Rosco2> http://www.ubuntu.com/
[16:36] <zequence> Rosco2: Alright, thanks. I'll prepare the web site.
[16:37] <OvenWerks> I think this page first https://ubuntustudio.org/download/
[16:38] <zequence> OvenWerks: Yep, we already have it done. Just need to publish
[16:39] <OvenWerks> Right. It is 4 clicks from http://www.ubuntu.com/... Not too bad.
[16:43] <zequence> Just went through all the links, but haven't actually tried downloading anything. Should work https://ubuntustudio.org/download
[16:45] <zequence> And announcing the new release, as well as the next project lead https://ubuntustudio.org/2016/04/new-ubuntu-studio-release-and-new-project-lead/
[16:48] <OvenWerks> zequence: Looks good and still easy to find from the main ubuntu page.
[16:48] <Rosco2> Might want to edit the release notes link from that page
[16:48] <Rosco2> Pointing at Trusty
[16:49] <zequence> Rosco2: Ok, thanks
[16:51] <Rosco2> Direct download link seems to be working
[16:51] <zequence> Ok, should be fixed
[16:53] <Rosco2> Looks good
[16:54] <Rosco2> Well done everyone \o/
[16:55] <zequence> Yes, well done!
[16:56] <Rosco2> I'm going straight to the fridge for a beer!
[16:57] <zequence> sakrecoer: I'm adding our wallpaper (without CoF) + plymouth style logo to social site releases (at least facebook)
[16:57] <zequence> Not being too serious with it. Just to have something to look at besides the links
[16:58] <zequence> Just to the post, not to the pages themselves, to be clear
[16:59] <zequence> The CoF is in the logo, but you can see for yourself
[17:00] <zequence> Only to facebook, as it seems. Doesn't work the same way on G+
[17:00] <cub> http://ubuntustudio.org/download Should we not keep the 14.04 links for a while as it's supported for another year?
[17:03] <zequence> I think the idea is that LTS users move onto the next LTS, but that they have about a year to do so, if they are already on the old one
[17:03] <zequence> Would be correct to include 14.04, but a little unusual
[17:04] <OvenWerks> zequence: 14.04 is at 14.04.4 right now? is there a 14.04.5 etc?
[17:04] <zequence> OvenWerks: I might have overlooked that
[17:04] <zequence> Let's see
[17:04] <OvenWerks> If it ends at 14.04.4 then it is expected for people to move on.
[17:05] <zequence> Yes, at 14.04
[17:05] <zequence> Sorry, 14.04.4
[17:05] <zequence> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule
[17:05] <zequence> According to that, 14.04.4 is the last release
[17:06] <OvenWerks> if there is a .5 then it would make sense to have the link. There is support for another year, but it is expected that a new install would the latest LTS
[17:07] <OvenWerks> Therefore offering a DL link for an old LTS does not make sense
[17:07] <OvenWerks> maybe not even W.
[17:07] <zequence> Yes, you are right
[17:07] <zequence> We should remove Wily. There's no reason to have it there
[17:07] <zequence> Only when we don't release an LTS do we have two
[17:07] <OvenWerks> zequence: right.
[17:07] <Rosco2> If you are downloading, you would take the latest LTS
[17:08] <OvenWerks> I think that makes +3 :)
[17:08] <Rosco2> But the Ubuntu Mainpage has all the options including 12.04 http://www.ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads
[17:08] <zequence> They do support for 5 years
[17:08] <OvenWerks> Rosco2: That is a separate page the main download page does not.
[17:08] <cub> it's still available, just not directly from the download page
[17:08] <cub> Xubuntu don't even include links to 15.10
[17:09] <zequence> Ubuntu is also mostly tuned towards servers
[17:09] <zequence> We shouldn't either
[17:09] <zequence> I'm going to remove 15.10 from the download page
[17:09] <zequence> Don't know why I didn't think about that :)
[17:10] <OvenWerks> Rosco2: The main desktop download is one image only, 16.04/64bit
[17:11] <OvenWerks> Alternative is another name for archives
[17:11] <zequence> I could add a link to all of our releases
[17:11] <Rosco2> Keep it simple :-)
[17:12] <zequence> Oh, I meant that for the older releases :)
[17:12] <OvenWerks> make it point at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/
[17:12] <zequence> Yep
[17:12] <Rosco2> +1
[17:12] <zequence> I'm adding a line that points there
[17:13]  * OvenWerks notes that there is a 12.04.5 :)
[17:13] <cub> yup
[17:14] <zequence> Of course. Ubuntu should probably have another few point release coming, considering they support for 5 years
[17:14] <zequence> With each new kernel, principally
[17:15] <zequence> Easy to get confused :)
[17:15] <cub> might not be a Ubuntu Studio thing, but many applications only have support for 14.04 still. Like some HW we use at work I need to install 14.04 of distros to make it work.
[17:15] <OvenWerks> zequence: I don't see that... when the new LTS comes out a new install should use it.
[17:15] <zequence> OvenWerks: Maybe not for servers
[17:15] <cub> Though...most would not use Studio for those appliances
[17:16] <OvenWerks> I think that is part of the reason for snap
[17:16] <zequence> OvenWerks: Especially if you have a whole infrastructure based on that
[17:16] <OvenWerks> zequence: ya I guess for keeping al the machines on the same release
[17:16] <zequence> Ok, does this work? https://ubuntustudio.org/download/
[17:17] <cub> The #ubuntustudio channel topic badly needs an update. :P
[17:17] <OvenWerks> zequence:  works for me.
[17:18] <cub> zequence, but are all the releases in the "older" link supported?
[17:18] <cub> "To find all of our supported releases"
[17:18] <zequence> Oh, damn
[17:18] <Rosco2> Better to say older releases instead of supported
[17:18] <zequence> I just took for granted the non supported ones would have been removed
[17:18] <cub> perhaps "To find all of our supported (and unsupported) releases" but that might sound confusing
[17:19] <cub> Rosco2, yeah, older is better.
[17:19] <Rosco2> Need to add that 14.04 is supported 1 more year
[17:19] <zequence> The non supported ones should not be there anymore. Think it's a bug, based on that Ubuntu supports for five years
[17:20] <cub> I think we had that discussion last LTS release as well?
[17:20] <cub> Soemthing with Ubuntu saving all releases for archiving purposes
[17:21] <cub> Have anyone tested this? "The minimum memory requirement for Ubuntu Studio is 512 MB of memory."
[17:21] <zequence> How about I just link to 14.04 instead
[17:21] <zequence> That's the only one we are interested in anyway
[17:21] <knome> cub, you can probably *run* with 512MB, but i wouldn't expect it to be fast
[17:21] <OvenWerks> cub to run maybe, not much use I think.
[17:22] <knome> OvenWerks, is it echoing in here? :)
[17:22] <OvenWerks> knome :)
[17:22]  * OvenWerks is one of those who has to look at the keyboard while typing  ...
[17:22] <knome> i usually watch the open irc channel
[17:23] <knome> regardless if i'm writing a message to irc or not
[17:23] <OvenWerks> re #ubuntustudio topic. Can I assume we want a more generic one like we have here?
[17:23] <cub> knome, didn't Xubuntu do tests a year ago or so on how low you can go on RAM?
[17:24] <knome> cub, your minimum says 512MB, recommended is 1GB
[17:24] <OvenWerks> The last one was set by unit193
[17:24] <OvenWerks> recomended should be over 2G
[17:24] <cub> OvenWerks, I was mostly thinking of 14.04.3 adn 15.10 released..
[17:24] <zequence> FOr us, recommended is definitely over 2GB
[17:25] <zequence> But, in these modern days, I would go as far as saying 4GB
[17:25] <cub> If I run Ubuntu Studio and log in with Xfce I think I'm already over 512 MB
[17:25] <cub> zequence, Bah! I have a total of 4 GB. When using dwm I use 128 MB after login..:D
[17:25] <zequence> Think I based the minimum on what was minumum for all except Lubuntu at around 13.04 or so
[17:26] <zequence> cub: Yes, but for using actual applications you'll need a lot more
[17:26] <OvenWerks> The minimum installed on any HW seems to be 1G even on a Pi
[17:26] <zequence> I mean, for using applications.
[17:27] <zequence> We don' have linuxsampler, but using that, and a few other applications, you'd start to suffer pretty quickly
[17:27] <zequence> ..depending on your sample sizes
[17:27] <OvenWerks> 1gig ram is enough for on stage use as a guitar effect.
[17:27] <zequence> That sounds like a minimum requirement in a way
[17:27] <OvenWerks> also ok for idjc use
[17:27] <knome> it indeed is relative to what you are doing
[17:28] <knome> if it's a graphic artist setup, they might only be running inkscape
[17:28] <zequence> I put 2GB there maybe three years ago based on what you would be comfortable with
[17:28] <OvenWerks> I would put 1Gig min and 4G recomended
[17:28] <zequence> Yes, me too
[17:29] <zequence> Sounds fair?
[17:29] <cub> up
[17:29] <cub> yup
[17:30] <OvenWerks> I could (and have) gotten a lot of use from 2.5G, but the low end desktop comes with 4G anyway.
[17:30] <OvenWerks> I have 8 now.
[17:30] <zequence> I should also mention you need at least 10GB of disk space, just for installing the system
[17:30] <knome> OvenWerks, that's false logic though ("everybody has 4GB anyway, so we can set it as recommended")
[17:30] <cub> Sure I have made all recording and mixing on my 4 GB RAM laptop. Then again, I don't use many channels or much effects
[17:31] <cub> Before that I did all my recording on 1 GB RAM. That worked too. 
[17:31] <zequence> 4GB is just at the limit for me, but that's for all sorts of things. Not just multimedia production
[17:31] <OvenWerks> knome: yes, but recomended is based on people using at least drumgizmo
[17:31] <zequence> Recommended is for being comfortable
[17:31] <zequence> That's how I think of it, anyway
[17:31] <OvenWerks> right
[17:31] <cub> me too. As a pointer to do most of the work you can do with the distro
[17:32] <cub> not to do every thinkable project
[17:32] <knome> no? boo.
[17:32] <knome> (:
[17:34] <cub> I know. we suck.
[17:34] <OvenWerks> A good drumkit is 2.5G of sample. I haven't tried drmr though it may be able to do less. Fluid can run with a lot less.
[17:35] <cub> zequence, maybe nitpicking here but "The DVD image is about 2GB", it's 2.6 GB, so noone hope to fit to a 2 GB USB
[17:35] <zequence> cub: Oh, yes. It has gronw
[17:35] <zequence> I'll put that to 2.6GB
[17:35] <OvenWerks> (fluid's drums do not sound real)
[17:36] <zequence> fluid sounds a lot like a built in Yamaha synth I had in a P2 computer a long time ago
[17:37] <zequence> I changed the RAM requirement, changed 2GB to 2.6GB and added that you need at least 10GB for an installation (so a 8GB stick does not do, if you were looking for that solution)
[17:37] <OvenWerks> zequence: right. Drumgizmo is now in ubuntu repos... sakrecoer we should put that on the list for next cycle
[17:37] <zequence> https://ubuntustudio.org/download/
[17:38] <zequence> Would probably be good to have a wiki page for each cycle for stuff to add
[17:38] <zequence> Let me fix that
[17:39] <OvenWerks> There is no ubuntu drmr package though (aside from dobey's PPA)
[17:40] <zequence> dgedit goes with drumgizmo, so adding both to the list
[17:41] <OvenWerks> I don't think any drum kits come wit the package, so a link to the downlaod site would make sense too.
[17:42] <zequence> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/PackageSelectionY
[17:47] <OvenWerks> zequence: Thank you.
[17:47] <zequence> I'm adding that page to the organization part of things. Thinking that's the best place for planning, namely feature definitions, blueprints and stuff like this
[17:53] <zequence> Ok, so I ended up renaming the page. But, this is how it works
[17:53] <zequence> From this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Organization
[17:54] <zequence> ..you can find a link in the side bar to this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/PackageSelection
[17:54] <zequence> ..which shows all of its subpages, which right now is only https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/PackageSelection/Y
[17:56] <zequence> I know sakrecoer was just out for dinner, so he will be back shortly
[17:57] <zequence> That kind of wraps things up for me, I think. I will try to put some more time on the wiki, and fix up broken stuff and clarify other things
[17:58] <autumna> documentation!
[17:58]  * autumna goes to read
[18:00] <zequence> OvenWerks: We should probably always say why something should be added in the wiki, when suggesting it
[18:03] <OvenWerks> Yes, in the case of drumgizmo, it is the most often recomended drum synth when people ask. That could of course be bias in those who normally answer...
[18:04] <zequence> OvenWerks: Yep. For plugins we don't have any limit currently anyway, so that makes it simple
[18:04] <OvenWerks> It used to be hydrogen, but hydrogen requires routing outside of the daw and back in
[18:05] <OvenWerks> with Aroudr being able to run Jackless, that is harder to support or recomend.
[18:05] <OvenWerks> DrMr would be nice to include because it uses Hydrogen drumkits.
[18:05] <OvenWerks> *Ardour
[18:10] <zequence> I even created some form of system for suggesting changes. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/PackageSelection/Y
[18:11] <zequence> The change should be written as 'add|remove|replace package [with package] (because..)'
[18:11] <zequence> Too complex? Just do it another way, in that case
[18:13] <zequence> I think this stuff should be done within the first, maybe two months of development. I'm sure there's a lot more that could be changed
[18:16] <zequence> I did have the idea of having two plugin packages. One which included the essentials - covering all types of plugs, but only using really great ones, and one which includes everything
[18:17] <zequence> There was a similar discussion about fonts. The two are somehow similar
[18:18] <zequence> Ok, that's enough for me today. I guess I'll be around
[18:19] <OvenWerks> Looks good and has the explain right there.
[18:24] <zequence> sakrecoer and Rosco2: usually the release manager does the announcements, but I guess we didn't work that out in detail for this release. You do as you want in the future.
[18:31] <Rosco2> zequence, there was a wiki page that mentioned some roles around the release
[18:31] <Rosco2> But I couldn't find it the last time I looked
[18:35] <Rosco2> Found it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/ReleaseProcedure
[18:36] <Rosco2> We can redistribute the roles as required and update it
[18:39] <zequence> Rosco2: Ah, I don't remember that page (think I only added the navigation to it). Must be smartboyhw who did that. Mostly copied from Ubuntu
[18:41] <zequence> No link to it from any of the pages. Falls under organization rather than development
[18:42] <zequence> Adding it to the sidebar for organization
[19:06] <sakrecoer> sorry guys.. didn't mean to take that long.. well, reading up the backlog
[19:25] <sakrecoer> hate myself for missing those last moments, but on the other hand i'm so happy it is out there!!!!
[19:25] <sakrecoer> you guys!!!! YOU GUYS!!!!!!!
[19:25] <sakrecoer> took good note of the wiki pages.
[19:32] <sakrecoer> for the comming package changes, i will focus on the graphics and video.
[19:32] <sakrecoer> really want to get that fontforge update happening
[19:32] <sakrecoer> upgrade even
[19:33] <sakrecoer> i might be a bit silent until monday, i have to process all this stuff, find a good moment to asnwer the beautyfull oscar speech and find that whipping lead whip i have somewhere under the dust inside my shell
[19:39]  * sakrecoer types deletes types deletes types deletes
[19:42] <sakrecoer> so yeah cheers y'all!! cub Rosco2 krytarik cyphermox flocculant luisbg autumna astraljava1 Noskcaj OvenenWerks knome micahg Daleksec zequence
[19:43] <sakrecoer> and of course, ChanSerb and ubottu <3
[19:45] <sakrecoer> Happy release and merry GNU beer!
[19:46] <flocculant> :)
[19:50] <cyphermox> hello?
[20:10] <autumna> hello?
[20:10] <autumna> and sakrecoer: :) 
[20:38] <zequence> sakrecoer: Thanks!
[20:38] <zequence> And, ditto