[00:00] <jonathan_zz> but this is no server environment, just because it runs mysql-server ;-).
[00:01] <amichair> oh, how nice, it's actually running the upgrade commands automatically after all the errors, I think
 Tux|dude did you reboot?
[00:01] <jonathan_zz> nice one.
[00:02] <amichair> the mysql upgrade script, that is
[00:02] <tux|dude> Sadly yes
[00:02] <tux|dude> I can still access the recovery kernel though
 Where does it boot to?
[00:02] <tux|dude> I get past the kubuntu boot screen then I just get a screen with the flashing cursor in the top left corner
[00:03] <jonathan_zz> I expect bumby roads for Debian though, not for Ubuntu.......
[00:03] <jonathan_zz> unless you have customized your system etc.
[00:04] <jonathan_zz> well the nice thing is that I actually works and I also used 15.10 -> 16.04 to get here.
 When you get the black screen can you access a tty screen  by holding control alt and tap F1?
[00:04] <jonathan_zz> but in the end it is just package upgrades what it comes down to.
[00:04] <tux|dude> I haven't tried that
[00:04] <jonathan_zz> also upgraded a Debian 7 to Debian 8 without any problems.
 Could you try?
[00:05] <jonathan_zz> I was scared to death though.
[00:05] <tux|dude> Sure. Lemme just get my phone running an irc client so I can stay connected
 Sounds like you have a problem with sddm
[00:07] <tux|dude> sddm?
 Display manager
[00:07] <tux|dude> Yeah that would make sense
[00:11] <tuxdude143> Ok what was that command you wanted me to try?
[00:12] <user|92270> anyone know where i can find the system requirements for kubuntu 16
 When you come to the black screen hold control and alt and tap F1 key
 Do you get a login prompt?
[00:13] <tuxdude143> Yup
 Log in
[00:14] <tuxdude143> Done
 Sudo apt update
[00:14] <tuxdude143> Done
 Are the archives definitely Xenial?
[00:15] <tuxdude143> Yup
 Sudo apt upgrade
[00:16] <tuxdude143> Running but the only thing it is updating is chromd
[00:16] <tuxdude143> *chrome
 Ok
 Let it finish
[00:17] <tuxdude143> Finished
 Then sudo apt dist-upgrade
[00:17] <tuxdude143> Nothing got changed...
[00:18] <tuxdude143> Hang on, some packages have been kept back
[00:19] <amichair> did you mean apt-get?
[00:19] <amichair> or is apt an alias?
 They the same thing
 Apt is prettier
[00:20] <tuxdude143> Maybe the held back packages are the problem
[00:20] <amichair> good to know, is it new?
[00:20] <murthy> Dear fellow kubuntu users I have upgraded my system from 15.10 to 16.04 and its good. I share my joy with you all.
 What packages are being held?
 Anything like sddm or video related?
[00:21] <tuxdude143> Kernel stuff it seems
 Can it be fixed?
[00:22] <tuxdude143> Probably
 Does apt offer a solution
[00:22] <tuxdude143> Isnt there a command line package manager to hold packages
 You shouldn't be holding packages
[00:23] <tuxdude143> I forget what it was called
[00:24] <amichair> ok, I'm about to reboot
[00:24] <amichair> see ya on the other side
 You want the latest Xenial packages
[00:25] <tuxdude143> Ok
[00:26] <tuxdude143> I just need to figure out how to unhold packages
 When that's done reconfigure sddm
 dpkg-reconfigure sddm
 It doesn't ask you to accept a solution?
[00:27] <tuxdude143> I dunno
[00:28] <tuxdude143> Can you quickly google how to unhold packages from the command line? I dont have any device to do that on at the momen
 It usually asks you a question
[00:28] <tuxdude143> A question when i put in which command?
[00:29] <amichair> well, that was scary - no splash screen, just monitors going on an off for a minute... but finally I'm back!
 The dist-upgrade
 Does it not ask you to accept a solution
[00:31] <tuxdude143> No
[00:31] <mayhew> Is there any way to change the font size of the clock in the bottom right corner?
[00:31] <amichair> thanks everyone for the support
[00:31] <amichair> good luck tuxdude143
[00:31] <tuxdude143> It says the packages have been held back but that is it
 You can unhold packages by
 sudo apt-mark unhold package_name
[00:34] <tuxdude143> Bingo. Its listing the 4.4 kernel as new packages to install
[00:34] <tuxdude143> Updating noa
[00:34] <tuxdude143> *now
[00:37] <tuxdude143> Attempting a reboot
 Hold on
 Try reconf sddm
[00:37] <tuxdude143> Oh right
 Also do another apt update
 And apt dist-upgrade
[00:38] <tuxdude143> Doing that now
[00:39] <tuxdude143> Done
 Any warnings or errors?
[00:39] <tuxdude143> Nope
 Now do sudo dpkg-reconfigure sddm
[00:40] <tuxdude143> Done
 And sudo reboot
 I'm gonna have to go to bed
 So hopefully this works
[00:43] <tuxdude143> Nope
[00:43] <tuxdude143> Nothing still
 Can you ask in devel
 About black screen and sddm not starting
[00:46] <tuxdude143> Gotcha
[00:57] <viewer|35179> is it normal that the breeze icons in dolphin for folders turned yellow-golden
[00:57] <viewer|35179> and yellow creeped in as a color in general after updating?
[01:17] <viewer|85834> Anyone had any luck installing 16.04 under VMware Workstation?  The Plasma constantly crashes on the live/install ISO
[01:18] <murthy> telegram1: hi
[01:43] <tuxdude143> Here
[01:44] <murthy> oops
[01:44] <murthy> tuxdude143: hi
[01:44] <murthy> tuxdude143: lets proceed here
[01:44] <tuxdude143> Hi. I upgraded from 15.10
[01:45] <murthy> tuxdude143: have any graphics card installed?
[01:45] <tuxdude143> Yes. It worked fine on 15.10 without,drivers
[01:45] <murthy> tuxdude143: brand?
[01:45] <tuxdude143> The issue is the updater for 16.04 backfired somewhere
[01:46] <tuxdude143> So it isnt to do with the gpu
[01:46] <murthy> nvidia?
[01:46] <tuxdude143> Intel
[01:46] <murthy> you installed the driver from their website?
[01:46] <tuxdude143> It isnt the gpu that is having a problem though
[01:47] <murthy> tuxdude143: lets not assume that for now
[01:47] <tuxdude143> The updater for going from 15.10 to 16.04 aborted near the end
[01:47] <tuxdude143> And i think it broke a package
[01:47] <murthy> ok
[01:48] <murthy> tuxdude143: how did you update?
[01:48] <murthy> using terminal or gui?
[01:48] <tuxdude143> Gui doesnt start
[01:49] <murthy> no where did you start the update from konsole ? tty? muon?
[01:49] <tuxdude143> The update manager. So muon i guess
[01:50] <murthy> tuxdude143: it showed a notification that you need to restart and you restarted? isn't it?
[01:51] <tuxdude143> Well at 99% the updater threw an error at me
[01:52] <tuxdude143> Saying something might have gone wrong.
[01:52] <tuxdude143> Cant remember exactly what it said
[01:52] <murthy> tuxdude143: are you able to access a tty?
[01:52] <tuxdude143> Yes
[01:52] <tuxdude143> Im in it now
[01:53] <murthy> tuxdude143: run "sudo lsb_release -a"
[01:53] <murthy> tuxdude143: tell me what it says
[01:54] <tuxdude143> No LSB modules are avaliable. Description ubuntu 16.04 release 16.04
[01:54] <viewer|86825> kubuntu 16.04 chrome youtube doesn't play videos error message says restart the device anyone know how to fix?
[01:55] <murthy> viewer|86825: what do you see in "chrome://gpu" ?
[01:55] <murthy> tuxdude143: have you backuped your data?
[01:56] <tuxdude143> I can access my drive from the windows side of my machine
[01:57] <tuxdude143> So thats as close as I can get to backing up
[01:57] <murthy> tuxdude143: ok
[01:57] <murthy> tuxdude143: can you run a command and paste the output here?
[01:58] <tuxdude143> Eh, ill have to simplify it
[01:58] <tuxdude143> Because im on my phone
[01:58] <murthy> what
[01:59] <deryco> just tried the upgrade to 16.04 when it was around 95% running post installation it gave an error about mysql could not upgrade due to dependency problems it said my system would run a restore because its in an unusable state
[01:59] <murthy> tuxdude143: I need to see the dpkg log
[01:59] <murthy> tuxdude143: "cd /var/log"
[02:00]  * ildefonso notices nested virtualization is not nearly as slow as he thought it would be :D
[02:01] <tuxdude143> I cant copy the whole thing from just the command line. Ill have to reboot into windows and pastebin it
[02:01] <deryco> the restore never happened...is there a way to trigger the restore manually?
[02:01] <viewer|86825> murthy: https://paste.kde.org/pnzdvhgzr
[02:02] <tuxdude143> Do you just want the contents of the log file murthy?
[02:03] <murthy> tuxdude143: there is a file called dpkg.log in /var/log folder, i want that
[02:05] <murthy> viewer|86825: hardware acceleration seems good. have you restarted the system after upgrade?
[02:05] <tuxdude143> Ok got it
[02:14] <tux|dude> Here you go murthy https://mega.nz/#!GJxyWLxR!uQvtfIaHMAu1BFpu9J4swPXfPQrrLOaPc7N9m86cD0Q
[02:14] <murthy> checking
[02:15] <murthy> tuxdude143: I need to take a break, i will be back in 15 mins
[02:16] <deryco> Upgrading from 15.10 to 16.04...it failed so I ran apt -f install and that failed with this error http://pastebin.com/NRA3R8LW can anyone help out?
[02:16] <tux|dude> Ok, thanks for the help
[02:32] <murthy> tuxdude143: i am looking at the dpkg.log file
[02:33] <murthy> tuxdude143: have you used the system file checker(sfc) in windows? the sfc /scannow command?
[02:34] <tux|dude> Recently?
[02:34] <tux|dude> I think so
[02:35] <murthy> tuxdude143: there is something like that for ubuntu
[02:35] <tux|dude> I see
[02:35] <murthy> tuxdude143: its called debsums
[02:36] <murthy> tuxdude143: i will give you the correct command
[02:36] <murthy> tuxdude143: it will check the system for broken/corrupt packages and tell you
[02:38] <murthy> tuxdude143: "sudo debsums -s"
[02:38] <murthy> tuxdude143: run the above command and wait till it finishes
[02:42] <tux|dude> Ok, gotcha
[02:44] <tuxdude143> Debsums gives me a command not found
[02:45] <tuxdude143> Gimme a sec
[02:45] <murthy> tuxdude143: you need to install debsums
[02:45] <tuxdude143> Yeah i figured that out
[02:48] <tuxdude143> Installed running now
[02:51] <tuxdude143> Finished
[02:55] <tuxdude143> What now?
[02:59] <murthy> tuxdude143: did you run this command "sudo debsums -s"
[03:00] <tuxdude143> Yes
[03:00] <murthy> tuxdude143: debsums finished?
[03:00] <tuxdude143> Yes
[03:00] <murthy> tuxdude143: see any error?
[03:00] <tuxdude143> It said it changed a file and thats it
[03:06] <murthy> tuxdude143: how many files?
[03:06] <tuxdude143> Just one
[03:06] <tuxdude143> Changelog.debian.gz
[03:13] <murthy> tuxdude143: i am still analyzing your dpkg.log
[03:13] <tuxdude143> Ok
[03:24] <murthy> tuxdude143: "sudo apt-get install --reinstall kubuntu-desktop"
[03:24] <murthy> tuxdude143: try the above command
[03:24] <tuxdude143> Done
[03:24] <murthy> tuxdude143: it most probably wont work
[03:25] <murthy> anything?
[03:25] <tuxdude143> It unpacked and set up
[03:26] <tuxdude143> Guess ill reboot then
[03:27] <murthy> tuxdude143: just now i remembered something
[03:27] <tuxdude143> Oh?
[03:28] <murthy> tuxdude143: "sudo apt-get -f install"
[03:28] <murthy> tuxdude143: try the above command
[03:29] <tuxdude143> Nothing was changed
[03:30] <murthy> tuxdude143: ok, lets troubleshoot
[03:31] <murthy> tuxdude143:"cd /var/log"
[03:31] <murthy> tuxdude143: there you will have log files
[03:31] <tuxdude143> Ok
[03:31] <murthy> tuxdude143: there are two log files that can be helpful now
[03:31] <murthy> tuxdude143: one is the xorg.log
[03:32] <tuxdude143> Ok
[03:32] <murthy> tuxdude143: Xorg.0.log
[03:33] <tuxdude143> And the other file?
[03:33] <murthy> sddm.log
[03:33] <murthy> tuxdude143: can you get those logs?
[03:33] <tuxdude143> Ok, let me reboot into windows to get them for you
[03:34] <murthy> tuxdude143: wait
[03:34] <murthy> tuxdude143: are you there?
[03:34] <tuxdude143> Im in linux atm
[03:34] <murthy> tuxdude143: good
[03:34] <tuxdude143> In the command prompt
[03:34] <tuxdude143> Aka terminal
[03:34] <murthy> tuxdude143: can you try one command before booting to windows
[03:34] <tuxdude143> Sure
[03:35] <murthy> tuxdude143: you are in your home directory right?
[03:35] <tuxdude143> Yes
[03:35] <murthy> example /home/user
[03:35] <tuxdude143> I am
[03:35] <murthy> "ls -l"
[03:35] <tuxdude143> Done
[03:36] <murthy> tuxdude143: can you see a file ".Xauthority"
[03:36] <tuxdude143> No
[03:37] <murthy> tuxdude143: sorry
[03:38] <murthy> tuxdude143: "ls -a"
[03:38] <murthy> tuxdude143: use that command
[03:38] <tuxdude143> Ah yes i can
[03:38] <murthy> "rm .Xauthority"
[03:38] <murthy> tuxdude143: "ls -a"
[03:38] <murthy> can you see the file now?
[03:39] <tuxdude143> No
[03:39] <murthy> tuxdude143: ok now try rebooting and see if you are able to login
[03:47] <tuxdude143> Nothing
[03:50] <murthy> tuxdude143: ok, get the two logs
[03:50] <murthy> Xorg.0.log sddm.log
[04:09] <murthy> I will be back in 10 mins
[04:18] <murthy> tuxdude143: are you there?
[04:19] <tuxdude143> Yes
[04:19] <murthy> tuxdude143: the logs?
[04:20] <tux|dude> Uploading now
[04:20] <murthy> tuxdude143: dont log out of the windows
[04:20] <tux|dude> I'm not going to
[04:21] <murthy> are you using ext-fs to access ext4 partition on windows?
[04:22] <tux|dude> https://mega.nz/#F!uQonzYIA!AdVdCc-bzPeNYSSaT_S8Yg
[04:22] <tux|dude> Yes
[04:25] <murthy> tuxdude143: https://paste.kde.org/pbwa3z7xy
[04:26] <tux|dude> Holy moley that's a lot of stuff to type out
[04:27] <murthy> tuxdude143: copy the text in the above link starting from "sudo apt-get" till "xdg-utils" and put it in a file and save it as install.sh
[04:27] <tux|dude> Oh I can do that?
[04:27] <murthy> tuxdude143: you are on windows right?
[04:28] <tux|dude> Yes
[04:28] <murthy> tuxdude143: after that you need to copy that file to the linux home directory
[04:28] <murthy> you could do that by using a pen drive
[04:29] <murthy> copy the install.sh to the pendrive and then go to linux and mount the pendrive from command line
[04:29] <murthy> then copy the install.sh file from the pendrive to the home directory
[04:29] <murthy> tuxdude143: do you know how to mount the pendrive?
[04:35] <murthy> tuxdude143: did you install any drivers using driver manager?
[04:40] <tux|dude> No
[04:41] <tux|dude> Don't worry. I got the file in the home directory now
[04:43] <murthy> tuxdude143: the install.sh file?
[04:44] <tuxdude143> yeah, gonna try running it
[04:45] <murthy> tuxdude143: do you know how to make it a executable?
[04:46] <tuxdude143> Make install right?
[04:46] <murthy> tuxdude143: no
[04:46] <murthy> tuxdude143: sudo chmod u+x install.sh
[04:47] <tuxdude143> Ah
[04:47] <tuxdude143> Now what?
[04:48] <tuxdude143> How do i edit a file in the command prompt?
[04:48] <murthy> tuxdude143: dude you copied the file and didn't type, right?
[04:48] <tuxdude143> I copied the file in windows
[04:49] <tuxdude143> And then just chmoded it in linux
[04:49] <murthy> tuxdude143: you selected the option to write in extfs?
[04:49] <tuxdude143> Yes
[04:50] <murthy> tuxdude143: notepad for terminal is nano
[04:51] <murthy> tuxdude143: you have learn the shortcuts to perform actions
[04:51] <murthy> tuxdude143: in nano
[04:52] <tuxdude143> I see
[04:57] <tuxdude143> Not using locking for read only lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[04:58] <tuxdude143> Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages
[05:11] <murthy> tuxdude143: "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[07:20] <Konversation> hello everyone. I have a question but It sound crazy at first glance but It's just experimental. Can I disable Apt package manager and install PiSi package manager?
[07:23] <Toomy> HI
[07:23] <Toomy> how are the first impressions of 16.04?
[07:23] <Toomy> Ist the installation going smooth?
[07:27] <Khaotic[n10]> Anyone else having issues with 16.04?
[07:28] <amichair> I had issues upgrading mysql, due to configuration option renaming in 5.7
[07:28] <Khaotic[n10]> Same here
[07:28] <Khaotic[n10]> Now I don't even get a desktop
[07:28] <Khaotic[n10]> Starts won't work
[07:29] <Khaotic[n10]> Krunner keeps crashing.
[07:29] <Khaotic[n10]> I can't do anything
[07:29] <Khaotic[n10]> I can't afford to lose my stuff
[07:29] <Toomy> have u upgraded or did u a fresh installation?
[07:29] <Toomy> ah..
[07:29] <amichair> I did wake up to a couple plasma crash dialogs, but it's an improvement - with 15.10 I'd usually get 20 of them overnight
[07:29] <Toomy> I intend to make a new installation
[07:29] <Khaotic[n10]> Upgraded
[07:30] <Toomy> ok
[07:30] <Khaotic[n10]> Any idea how to fix?
[07:30] <amichair> 15.10 was the most unusable desktop I've had since dapper
[07:30] <Toomy> unfortunately not
[07:30] <Khaotic[n10]> I can't even get past the login screen now
[07:30] <Khaotic[n10]> Same amichair
[07:30] <amichair> here's hoping that something got fixed in 16.04, and not many new bugs introduced
[07:31] <soee> Khaotic[n10]: so you see sddm and than what ?
[07:32] <Khaotic[n10]> Then I get a bunch of errors and something about no shells being installed
[07:33] <soee> Khaotic[n10]: just to be sure switch to differnt tty and from command line execute: sudo apt install plasma-desktop & install kubuntu-desktop
[07:33] <amichair> Khaotic[n10]: did you upgrade abort or complete without errors?
[07:33] <Khaotic[n10]> I'll try
[07:33] <Khaotic[n10]> Complete with MySQL upgrade errors
[07:35] <Khaotic[n10]> I get "cannot load system tray" and "all shell packages missing"
[07:35] <amichair> Khaotic[n10]: so you should fix those. go to tty (ctrl-alt-f1), login, and run "sudo dpkg --configure -a" for starters, that will retry any half-installed packages
[07:35] <Khaotic[n10]> Ok
[07:36] <Khaotic[n10]> Well my screen just went blank and I can't do anything
[07:36] <amichair> Khaotic[n10]: when you switch to tty it should go mostly blank - it enters a kind of text mode, but you should see a login prompt at the top left corner
[07:37] <amichair> Khaotic[n10]: if you have multiple monitors, make sure they're all on. I've had it show up sometimes on a turned-off TV.
[07:37] <Khaotic[n10]> Yeah I know
[07:38] <amichair> you can also try ctrl-alt-f2 etc. ctrl-alt-f7 should get you back to the GUI mode.
[07:38] <amichair> can you get konsole open in the GUI, or is it blank too?
[07:38] <Khaotic[n10]> I don't even get a gui
[07:39] <Khaotic[n10]> I'm stuck at login screen of sddm
[07:39] <amichair> you see a login prompt?
[07:39] <Khaotic[n10]> Yes
[07:39] <amichair> but not in all ttys?
[07:39] <Khaotic[n10]> Kubtunu-desktop and plasma-desktop both are installed
[07:40] <Khaotic[n10]> I also ran dpkg --configure -a
[07:40] <amichair> Khaotic[n10]: oh, so you do have access to the terminal?
[07:40] <Khaotic[n10]> Yes I have access to the ttys
[07:40] <amichair> oh ok
[07:40] <amichair> next try "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[07:40] <amichair> that should complete the installation if anything didn't get installed
[07:41] <Khaotic[n10]> OK 1 sec
[07:41] <ng_kub> Hello all - wanting to ask if there is some roadmap when we get newest kde plasma on 16.04?
[07:42] <Khaotic[n10]> amichair: nothing
[07:42] <soee> ng_kub: nope, probably first infrastructure has to be migrated to lunchpad again
[07:43] <Smurphy> So - anyone tested the upgrade from 15.10 ? How did it go ?
[07:43] <soee> ng_kub: but maybe devs decide to do backports first - not sure about that
[07:43] <Khaotic[n10]> Smurphy: don't do it
[07:43] <amichair> Khaotic[n10]: ok, so it seems the installation did complete ok as far as package upgrades
[07:43] <Khaotic[n10]> Yeah
[07:43] <Khaotic[n10]> Krunner. Rashes as soon as I log in
[07:43] <Khaotic[n10]> Crashes
[07:43] <Smurphy> usually, when I upgrade kubuntu - I use the CLI mode.
[07:44] <Khaotic[n10]> And I get "cannot load system tray"
[07:44] <soee> Please try how things work on new user account after you upgrade ;)
[07:44] <Smurphy> go on console (ctrl-alt-F1), log in, shutdown sddm, and then launch the upgrade process on the CLI.
[07:45] <Smurphy> I also saw, that the upgrades no take place inside a screen-process. You should be able if the GUI upgrade failed, to go on the CLI (ctrl-alt-F1) - and issue a: "screen -r" to re-attach the screen process.
[07:45] <Smurphy> Then you can see what you missed.
[07:46] <Khaotic[n10]> I already did
[07:46] <Khaotic[n10]> This sucks
[07:46] <Khaotic[n10]> I have finals next week and I pretty much lost everything
[07:46] <Smurphy> You didn't lose it. All the data is still there.
[07:46] <Khaotic[n10]> I know
[07:47] <Smurphy> And - from experience, you don't do that kind of upgrade before a large event.
[07:47] <Khaotic[n10]> But I need GUI for what I'm doing
[07:47] <Toomy> better you make a copy f your data now....
[07:47] <Khaotic[n10]> I uploaded some stuff to my server
[07:47] <Smurphy> Which Graphical UI you have ?
[07:47] <Smurphy> Graphic Chip ?
[07:47] <Smurphy> Sorry ... :}
[07:47] <Khaotic[n10]> Intel
[07:48] <Smurphy> That should not pose any problems. What type of CPU ? and how much Ram ?
[07:48] <Smurphy> you on the console ?
[07:48] <Khaotic[n10]> amichair: any more suggestions?
[07:48] <Khaotic[n10]> Yes
[07:48] <Khaotic[n10]> That's bs
[07:48] <Smurphy> Then go to: cd /etc/X11
[07:49] <Khaotic[n10]> Ok
[07:49] <Smurphy> and see if there is a Xorg configuration file.
[07:49] <Khaotic[n10]> Works fine after I made a new user...wtf
[07:49] <Khaotic[n10]> How do I use my user? Lol
[07:49] <Smurphy> You mean - you get to sddm (login creen), and when you log in, it bails out ?
[07:49] <Khaotic[n10]> Yeah
[07:50] <Khaotic[n10]> Buy someone told me to try with a new user.... And that lets me log in
[07:50] <Khaotic[n10]> Why doesn't my old user account?
[07:51] <Smurphy> because probably your cache is messed up.
[07:51] <Smurphy> cd .cache
[07:52] <Smurphy> rm -rf *plasma* *kde*
[07:52] <Smurphy> and try login in again.
[07:52] <amichair> Khaotic[n10]: I don't have any specific ides, other than investigating. If it works for a new user and not your existing user, then something in the configuration (.kde folder) is causing the trouble, you'll have to try to narrow it down somehow
[07:52] <Khaotic[n10]> OK. From my old user?
[07:53] <Smurphy> when I upgraded my plasma to 5.12 from, KDE 4 - caches where completely messed up. Configure change didn't fix it. Only cache deletion worked.
[07:53] <Smurphy> Khaotic[n10]: yes. From the old user.
[07:53] <Guest28507> this is the acount
[07:53] <Guest28507> im khaotic
[07:53] <Smurphy> it's only the caches, these will be built up again on the first login, so it will take a little longer the first time you log-in.
[07:53] <Smurphy> You are on the CLI ? Don't do that while inside plasma !
[07:54] <Guest28507> ok im gonna try it from another tty
[07:54] <Guest28507> this is the new user
[07:54] <Smurphy> Close the GUI of that USER !
[07:54] <Guest28507> log out of this one too?
[07:54] <Guest28507> ok
[07:54] <Smurphy> Then go on ctrl-alt-f1 - log in as the user which cache you want to clear, and go to: .cache, and remove all files that look like plasma or kde inside.
[07:55] <Smurphy> Directory included.
[07:55] <amichair> Guest28507: when making changes to kde folder/caches for a user, do it while that user is logged off, and then log back in to see what happens
[07:56] <Smurphy> logged off the GUI !
[07:56] <Khaotic[n10]> Yeah idid
[07:56] <Smurphy> the CLI will not influence it :}
[07:56] <Khaotic[n10]> OK. Cache cleared. Now what? Starts?
[07:56] <Smurphy> Log in again through the GUI :}
[07:57] <Khaotic[n10]> Fingers crossed
[07:57] <Smurphy> I'm waiting for plasma 5.6 to work on 16.04 LTS to upgrade. I don't want to do 2 debuging sessions :D
[07:57] <Khaotic[n10]> Hell yeah
[07:57] <Smurphy> First login will take longer, as it needs to build up all caches again.
[07:57] <Khaotic[n10]> Smurphy: you the man
[07:58] <amichair> Khaotic[n10]: all ok now?
[07:58] <Smurphy> lol. I just went through that, It took me half a day of try and error to figur that one out.  Bluekaj had helped me out - so half the credit goes to him :)
[07:58] <Smurphy> Khaotic[n10]: Sorry for you dude, but you will have to work on your finals now again ... Gaming's over man ! :D
[07:58] <Khaotic> yes
[07:58] <Khaotic> Smurphy, so you had the same issue?
[07:58] <Khaotic> brb getting my vpn back online
[07:58] <amichair> Khaotic: great
[07:58] <Khaotic> Smurphy, dont remind me
[07:58] <Khaotic> reverse engineering is killing me
[07:59] <Smurphy> lol ;D
[07:59] <Khaotic> im tearing apart the sony malware
[07:59] <Khaotic> alright brb
[07:59] <Smurphy> Ah. Nice.
[07:59] <amichair> Smurphy: nice catch, I'll empty my caches too, maybe it'll fix some of those plasma crashes, who knows
[07:59] <Win1000000> I trying to install kubuntu 16.04 on my system76 serval WS, it has a 6th gen processor and an Nvidia card. They say there is a bug in llvm which causes unity not to start I presume the same is happening to my kubuntu install attempt.
[07:59] <Khaotic> jk my server is online
[08:00] <Win1000000> Any way to install an updated version of llvm and get kubuntu installed?
[08:00] <Khaotic[n10]> amichair: I haven't gotten any so far
[08:01] <Khaotic[n10]> Wonder if they fixed the system tray
[08:01] <Khaotic[n10]> Will xchst minimize to the system tray now?
[08:01] <Khaotic[n10]> Xchst*
[08:02] <Khaotic[n10]> Xchat
[08:02] <Smurphy> Win1000000: try out: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[08:02] <Smurphy> Khaotic[n10]: I have a server on which I run a screen session inside which I run weechat. I can access it also from outside through my firewall without ever leaving  y sessionsd.
[08:03] <Khaotic[n10]> Lol
[08:03] <Smurphy> BTW - those who have upgraded to 16.04 - could you please check if there is a configuration option for SSTP VPN ?
[08:03] <Khaotic[n10]> How?
[08:03] <Khaotic[n10]> I use openvpn
[08:03] <Smurphy> Secure Socket Tunneling protocol
[08:03] <Win1000000> Smurphy: I'm booted into an install disk
[08:04] <ng_kub> thx soee
[08:04] <Win1000000> A kubuntu install disk
[08:04] <Smurphy> Just open the Network Manager, and tell it to "Add" - it will show you the options.
[08:04] <Khaotic> Smurphy, yeah there is
[08:04] <Smurphy> Win1000000: Why that ? You on ubuntu already, aren't you ?
[08:04] <Smurphy> OK. Cool. I'll check it out then. I added a SSTP configuration to my firewall. have to test it out.
[08:05] <Khaotic> also allows ssh tunneling
[08:05] <Smurphy> it's to access to my NAS (Contacts/Calendars). I don't trust the public cloudes (Google, Apple etc.).
[08:05] <Smurphy> Have my own cloud at home ;D
[08:06] <Khaotic> im gonna reboot and make sure everything works right
[08:06] <Win1000000> I was having the issue with Ubuntu too. I needed to reinstall and I decided to go with kubuntu
[08:07] <Win1000000> Any ideas?
[08:08] <amichair> how do I remove web history from the K menu search results? that's kindof intrusive
[08:08] <Smurphy> yes - if ubuntu is already installed - leave it.
[08:08] <Khaotic[n10]> Wish they would let you change the login screen image
[08:09] <Smurphy> Win1000000: open a CLI - and type on the console: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[08:09] <Smurphy> Then you can choose which desktop you want to log into.
[08:09] <Smurphy> Khaotic[n10]: You can ;}
[08:09] <Win1000000> I don't have a working os now
[08:10] <Smurphy> Go to System Settings -> Startup and Shutdown -> Login SDDM and choose a different theme.
[08:10] <Win1000000> The gui won't load
[08:10] <Smurphy> Oh - just realized I have a KDE Frameworks: 5.18.0
[08:11] <Smurphy> Win1000000: You don't need a gui for that.
[08:11] <Smurphy> You just need a console.
[08:11] <Smurphy> If the UI Login screen does not load - then you will have an issue also with kubuntu. they use the same underlying architecture packages.
[08:11] <Khaotic[n10]> Win1000000: I just had that issue I think
[08:11] <Smurphy> Khaotic[n10]: He is using ubuntu - not kubuntu.
[08:11] <Khaotic[n10]> Oh
[08:12] <Win1000000> I'm now on a kubuntu install disk
[08:12] <Smurphy> And then what ?
[08:12] <Smurphy> If you have no data to lose, just install it.
[08:13] <Khaotic[n10]> Smurphy: lofinssdm doesn't open for me
[08:13] <Win1000000> The problem is that it won't load the gui
[08:13] <Win1000000> And I do have data to lose
[08:14] <Smurphy> Khaotic[n10]: check which Framework you have running; konsole --version
[08:14] <Smurphy> Win1000000: you have to be more specific.
[08:14] <Smurphy> If you have data to lose, don't install over it.
[08:14] <Win1000000> I was planning on booting into live and getting the data off
[08:14] <Smurphy> Win1000000: then do that.
[08:15] <Win1000000> Live won't show the world gui
[08:15] <Khaotic[n10]> Smurphy: know if xchat will minimize to the system tray now
[08:15] <Khaotic[n10]> 15.10 it wouldnt
[08:15] <Win1000000> Show the gui*
[08:16] <Win1000000> I get the error: plasma closed unexpectedly
[08:16] <Smurphy> if plasma closes, then it's not good.
[08:16] <Win1000000> Yeah
[08:16] <Khaotic[n10]> Yup doesn't work for me again Smurphy
[08:16] <Smurphy> did you have plasma running before ?
[08:16] <Khaotic[n10]> Just a blank screen
[08:16] <Win1000000> Nope
[08:17] <Smurphy> Khaotic[n10]: xchat ?
[08:17] <Khaotic[n10]> It's erroring out again
[08:17] <Smurphy> why u using xchat ?
[08:18] <amichair> does anyone know how to remove the new accessibility app from the system tray?
[08:18] <Smurphy> telepathy ?
[08:18] <amichair> and how to remove web results when searching in k-menu?
[08:19] <Smurphy> Can't really tell - as I'm on severla plasma levels higher than most of you 16.04ers ...
[08:19] <Khaotic[n10]> Smurphy: can't log into plasma again
[08:19] <Smurphy> why that ? weird.
[08:19] <Smurphy> You rebooted ?
[08:21] <lordievader> Khaotic[n10]: Are you thrown back to the login screen?
[08:21] <Khaotic[n10]> Yeah Smurphy
[08:21] <Khaotic[n10]> No lordievader
[08:21] <lordievader> Khaotic[n10]: What then?
[08:21] <Khaotic[n10]> Just goes blank now
[08:21] <Khaotic[n10]> Actually
[08:21] <Win1000000> Any ideas? Maybe a kubuntu dev around?
[08:21] <Khaotic[n10]> I get no shells installed error
[08:22] <lordievader> Oh, that could be kscreen. You could try renaming ~/.local/share/kscreen
[08:22] <lordievader> Khaotic[n10]: ^
[08:22] <Khaotic[n10]> Ok
[08:22] <lordievader> Khaotic[n10]: Hmm, no shells installed?
[08:22] <Khaotic[n10]> How about removing it
[08:22] <Khaotic[n10]> Yeah
[08:22] <Khaotic[n10]> Says they are missing
[08:22] <lordievader> Khaotic[n10]: What happens when you login to a tty?
[08:22] <Khaotic[n10]> When just a second ago everything was fine
[08:23] <Khaotic[n10]> I'm able to login to tty
[08:23] <Smurphy> Khaotic[n10]: Then make sure before you reboot the next time, to log out and back into the system. and make sure the system does nmot restore the previous session.
[08:23] <Smurphy> Start with a fresh sessions.
[08:23] <lordievader> Khaotic[n10]: You get a bash shell? Which is your default?
[08:24] <Khaotic[n10]> Bssh
[08:24] <Khaotic[n10]> Yeah I have previous sessions off
[08:24] <lordievader> Hmm, I'd make a new user and see if that one can login like normal.
[08:24] <Khaotic[n10]> Yeah it does
[08:25] <Khaotic[n10]> That's how I got it to work before
[08:25] <lordievader> Then the 'error' is somewhere in your profile.
[08:25] <Khaotic[n10]> Dammit
[08:25] <Khaotic[n10]> How do I find it
[08:25] <lordievader> Err, I usually use trial and error...
[08:25] <Smurphy> lordievader: We already erased the cache content, and he could log back in.
[08:25] <Khaotic[n10]> I'm not super familiar with the system
[08:26] <lordievader> Nothing in the X, or xsession-errors, log?
[08:26] <Smurphy> Khaotic[n10]: on my 15.10 setup, it started normalizing after using KDE Framework 15.12
[08:26] <Khaotic[n10]> Kscreen renaming worked this time. How do I prevent it in the future
[08:26] <Khaotic[n10]> Smurphy: how I do that
[08:28] <Smurphy> I don't know if the ppa backports already exist for plasma framework 5.12.
[08:28] <Khaotic[n10]> lordievader: where can I find logs?
[08:28] <Smurphy> That's the reason.
[08:28] <Khaotic[n10]> Smurphy: I logged out and logged in fine
[08:28] <Khaotic[n10]> Just wish I could reboot and login fine
[08:29] <lordievader> X/sddm, somewhere in /var/log else in the systemd journal. xsession-errors is in your home-dir.
[08:29] <Smurphy> http://www.kubuntu.org/tag/ppa-release/ Check this out
[08:36] <Khaotic> well systemtray has been fixed for legacy apps like hexchat
[08:39] <Khaotic> Smurphy, lordievader im gonna try to reboot. hopefully i dont get that crap again
[08:39] <Smurphy> You did configure the system to notrestore the session ?
[08:43] <Khaotic> yes Smurphy
[08:43] <Khaotic> you know how to get numlock to stay on on login?
[08:43] <Khaotic> the setting isnt working
[08:43] <Smurphy> Nope. Never use it.
[08:44] <Smurphy> ok - time for me to move -> treadmill. If you're almost 50 and IT guy - you start doing that at least when you reach 40 !
[08:44] <Smurphy> bbl
[08:45] <viewer|73979> how to upgrade from kubuntu 15.10
[09:12] <asdantony> salve a tutti...qualcuno può aiutarmi a capire una cosa?
[09:12] <soee> !it | QuinnStorm
[09:16] <meh> Hey guys, thanks for the new release, looks great so far! I was wondering though.. how can I move a window from one activity to another? (coming from 14.04)
[09:26] <soee> meh: hi
[09:26] <soee> move permanently or ?
[09:29] <meh> soee: err.. i guess? I used to create one that doesnt dim the screen on my laptop even when on battery. I could then move any windows to it if I wanted to avoid auto-dimming (e.g. movies etc).
[09:30] <meh> by right-clicking the title bar and select the activity i wanted the window to go
[09:30] <soee> and it shudl work
[09:31] <meh> the thing is: the menu for activities is somehow missing now..
[09:32] <soee> meh: well you can do it either by rightclicking on titlebar and picking Activities and then select where the window sshoudl be
[09:33] <soee> meh: or add to panel or desktop Activity switcher widget - that you can drag and drop windows inside it to different ativities
[09:34] <meh> mhm didnt know about the widget approach.. thanks! But so the activity menu in the title bar right-click menu should still be there yes?
[09:35] <meh> i thought maybe i need to activate something to have that menu again because i dont have it now
[09:35] <soee> meh: sure
[09:35] <soee> how many activities you have ?
[09:35] <meh> only three so far
[09:35] <soee> than it shuld be all there
[09:36] <meh> hm thats strange.. maybe something went wrong with my installation then.. i was trying everything out just now
[09:37] <meh> thanks again!
[09:58] <eluus> Hello, I just upgraded to kubuntu 16.04 from 15.10, my touchpad doesn't work
[09:59] <eluus> in Touchpad settings window I see the message "Synaptics backend not found"
[09:59] <soee_> uhmm, maybe some driver is missing
[10:07] <testset> Hi, does the kubuntu 16.04 installer support software RAID?
[10:09] <soee_> i think so
[10:09] <testset> soee_: Ah, this is good! I better get downloading :)
[10:10] <ikonia> not sure the desktop cd does ?
[10:10] <ikonia> I think you have to pre-configure the software raid devices in the desktop
[10:10] <ikonia> (not %100 sure though)
[10:11] <testset> ikonia: Ah, I better brush up on mdadm then :/
[10:12] <equinox_> someone with big lag and freeze on 16.04 ?
[10:17] <soee_> equinox_: lag where, freeze where ?
[10:19] <equinox_> kwin_x11 I guess
[10:19] <equinox_> I tried to reboot but it lags again
[10:19] <soee_> lags in what moment ? :)
[10:20] <soee_> when system is booted and running ?
[10:21] <equinox_> I noticed a black screen during 1 amybe 2 seconds when i'm logging in then plasma hardly load
[10:21] <equinox_> and there are much lags every where
[10:21] <soee_> equinox_: did you freshed installed or upgraded
[10:22] <equinox_> I made a fresh install
[10:22] <soee_> oh than this is strange
[10:38] <webchatuser> trying to get past step 2 on the installer, continue grayed out
[10:38] <amichair> does anyone know how to remove the new accessibility app from the system tray?
[10:38] <amichair> and how to remove web results when searching in k-menu?
[10:40] <soee_> webchatuser2: in VB ?
[10:42] <jonathan_zz> amichair: the thing you can do to begin with is change the options of the krunner thing.
[10:42] <QQ_GGr|41754> Installer for 16.04 cant progress beyond second step
[10:43] <QQ_GGr|41754> log says debconf: DbDriver "passwords" warning: could not open /var/cache/debconf/passwords.dat: Permission denied
[10:43] <jonathan_zz> amichair: they may use the same options
[10:43] <jonathan_zz> amichair: press ALT-F2 and click on the tool icon.
[10:44] <hateball> my google-fu fails me for kwallet 4 -> 5. I've got no passwords stored after 14.04 -> 16.04
[10:45] <hateball> amichair: I've only been able to remove it by removing the package
[10:45] <jonathan_zz> kwallet fails for me too
[10:45] <QQ_GGr|41754> the default promt for installing 16.04 runs ubiquity kde_ui   not   sudo ubiquity kde_ui
[10:45] <jonathan_zz> every logon the migration assistant starts.
[10:45] <hateball> amichair: that is: sudo apt-get remove kaccessible
[10:45] <hateball> jonathan_zz: Oh, I didnt even get that
[10:45] <hateball> I just have a blank new wallet now
[10:46] <jonathan_zz> I never understood the thing, I wish I could just remove it.
[10:46] <amichair> hateball: I removed everything that seems related in the settings (same panel as from system settings), and also deleted entire .cache folder and some krunner bookmark sqlite files, logged back in, but they're still there
[10:46] <hateball> kwallet? It's most useful
[10:47] <amichair> hateball: shouldn't there be a checkmark for it in tray settings like all the other icons? is it a bug or by design?
[10:47] <hateball> amichair: rightclick the kaccessible icon and kill it, then remove the package
[10:47] <hateball> amichair: I dont know which it is, I noticed it in 15.10 and was unable to google for it. So I just killed the package
[10:47] <amichair> hateball: oh, also clicked on 'clear history' button in that settings dialog, don't know if it did anything at all
[10:47] <QQ_GGr|41754> that didnt do it
[10:48] <amichair> hateball: just wondering if I should report a bug on tray icon
[10:48] <hateball> amichair: asking in #kde might yield more response
[10:48] <amichair> I didn't have it in 15.10, just appeared now with upgrade to 16.04
[10:49] <amichair> hateball: on both issues?
[10:49] <hateball> amichair: for history I have no idea
[10:49] <hateball> amichair: oh, web results?
[10:50] <amichair> hateball: fwiw, I always thought ur nick does not line up with your (online) personality :-)
[10:51] <hateball> amichair: well that should work by opening krunner as jonathan said, and unticking favorites (?)
[10:51] <hateball> amichair: Don't judge a book by its cover you know :)
[10:52] <amichair> hateball: there is no favorites options, but I unchecked bookmarks, folder, locations, places, recent documents, web shortcuts
[10:52] <amichair> and applied
[10:52] <amichair> and clicked clear history
[10:53] <amichair> btw, the kicker dialog doesn't open half the time
[10:53] <amichair> although I just noticed if I start typing then it suddenly pops up with the proper input
[10:53] <amichair> in 15.10 it just crashed all the time
[10:54] <hateball> amichair: did you try restarting krunner also?
[10:55] <hateball> or your entire session for that matter. dont think it should be needed tho
[10:56] <amichair> hateball: I did a few full system restarts since the upgrade and settings changes... nothing helps
[10:56] <amichair> hateball: it's possible that the entires are old and it's not indexing anything new, but still it's not clearing the history. just a guess.
[10:59] <hateball> amichair: well you can wipe the indexed db and start again
[11:00] <hateball> It's incredibly annoying that chromium ignores my kwin rule to start new windows on monitor 1
[11:00] <amichair> hateball: how do I wipe the db?
[11:01] <amichair> I thought that's what 'clear history' might do
[11:02] <hateball> amichair: balooctl disable, restart session/computer, balooctl enable
[11:02] <hateball> amichair: that *should* do it. but then it'll start reindexing so it might chug for a bit
[11:03] <amichair> hateball: well I (hopefully) disabled all file indexing too, so I don't think it should have that much to do
[11:04] <amichair> hateball: is baloo instead of akonadi?
[11:05] <amichair> hateball: balooctl status shows it's already disabled
[11:05] <hateball> amichair: baloo is instead of nepomuk
[11:06] <hateball> and if baloo isnt running, then you'll have stale records for sure
[11:06] <amichair> hateball: maybe that's why clear history doesn't work? that's a bug too
[11:07] <amichair> nah, still doesn't clear
[11:09] <Basstard`> How to run 16.04 without OpenGL (or llvmpipe)?
[11:09] <amichair> hateball: from the command line, it seems like baloo only indexes files, which I (think) I completely disabled. is it related to the web links?
[11:10] <hateball> amichair: web links should be bookmarks from your supported browsers iirc
[11:10] <hateball> ugh, https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=356225
[11:10] <amichair> but is that still baloo? or some other component?
[11:11] <amichair> hateball: since 15.10 my panel moves between monitors several times a day. and windows move all the time too, every time power savings mode starts (or stops)
[11:11] <hateball> amichair: guess that is the bug above then. I only have a single monitor at home so I hadnt run into this problem since I used 14.04 at work
[11:12] <hateball> amichair: I *think* it's baloo, but I dont know
[11:16] <PakRat> Trying to upgrade Kubuntu and get a weird error that says "Not Enough Free Space on a Terabyte hard drive
[11:17] <testset> I can verify that the desktop install does not support software RAID out of the box, I had a previous RAID setup so just apt-get install mdadm and mdadm --assemble --scan --verbose, Then I was able to install to the existing setup.
[11:19] <hateball> PakRat: can you pastebin the output of "df -h"
[11:19] <hateball> !paste | PakRat
[11:21] <Gigapowa> sup
[11:23] <PakRat> http://imgur.com/3ljeMIL
[11:25] <Smurphy> Hmmm.
[11:25] <Smurphy> Is it normal that the BQ disk is as full ???
[11:25] <PakRat> I tried to install the update to Kubuntu and got this error http://imgur.com/3ljeMIL any suggestions?
[11:25] <Smurphy> /dev/mmcblk0p6                                2076276  1994660         0 100% /
[11:25] <Smurphy> Anyone ?
[11:27] <Basstard`> soee_: I solved it.
[11:27] <PakRat> I tried to install the update to Kubuntu and got this error http://imgur.com/3ljeMIL any suggestions?
[11:30] <PakRat> Thanks for the help, really appreciate the great support and community that Kubuntu offers
[11:30] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
 HI there BluesKaj
[11:31] <BluesKaj> Hi Sick_Rimmit
 PakRat: The error describes where the issue is. Your disk is setup with a small partition for the /boot part of the directory structure. There is not enough space on it for the upgrade
 You should try Kparted which might allow you to resize that partition, and provide more space
[11:37] <hateball> It's unfortunate the message suggests apt-get clean, when autoremove is what is needed to remove old kernels
[11:38] <hateball> But they left now, so
[11:42] <amichair> hateball: interesting, the web links show up only in k-menu but not in krunner popup
[11:42] <amichair> I always thought they were two frontends to the same data
[11:42] <hateball> they should be
[11:45] <amichair> hateball: hmmm... krunnerrc has two [bookmarks] entries (one with capital B one with lowercae b), with a path pointing to firefox profile places.sqlite...
[11:45] <amichair> I'm guessing they are the culprit
[11:45] <amichair> hateball: any idea how they got there? is there any configuration (gui or otherwise) that controls this?
[11:45] <hateball> amichair: none other than krunner itself that I know
[11:46] <hateball> maybe it got messed up in an upgrade
[11:47] <amichair> hateball: what's the proper way to restart krunner?
[11:49] <amichair> hateball: I'll see if it's cleaned up when I do the next restart, I have a feeling it might be it.
[11:49] <amichair> hateball: thanks for the support :-)
[11:50] <overking> Hello!
[11:51] <soee_> hiho overking
[11:51] <overking> who have problem in apt
[11:51] <hateball> amichair: kquitapp krunner
[11:51] <overking> in 16.04
[11:51] <hateball> amichair: then make your edits, kstart krunner
[11:52] <soee_> hehe :)
[11:55] <ejay> Hi all. After upgrading to 16.04 mysqld process is eating 1gb of ram (it was ~150mb before upgrading). Why?
[11:56] <Smurphy> it got hungry
[11:56] <Smurphy> :}
[11:56] <ejay> Smurphy: ha. ha. ha.
[12:03] <hateball> ejay: from which release did you upgrade?
[12:05] <ejay> hateball: 15.10
[12:06] <soee_> my advice of the day: if you upgraded test 16.04 on new user account also
[12:10] <ejay> soee_: extra question: do I even need mysqld when using plasma/kubuntu? I'm not storing any databases as a user. Also I despise any akonadi bloatware so it's purged.
[12:11] <soee_> ejay: i have no idea, i just have it as it is by default - dont have any problems with it i think
[12:14] <equinox_> is it normal to have more than 7gigabyte of cached memory on a fresh new install of kubuntu 16.04 ?
[12:15] <equinox_> the only thing I done is to install texlive-full
[12:16] <BluesKaj> nope, do you have firefox 45 loaded , it has a memory leak on some sites
[12:16] <equinox_> firefox 45.0.2
[12:16] <BluesKaj> right
[12:17] <BluesKaj> check your system monitor process tab
[12:18] <BluesKaj> ksysguard that is
[12:18] <equinox_> I just closed firefox
[12:18] <equinox_> should reopen it ?
[12:18] <equinox_> I*
[12:19] <equinox_> firefox is runing with 135368 K of memory
[12:20] <chaos|2> hello i am having a problem getting video thumbnails working can someone tell me how to compile ffmpegthumbs it seems a version that doesnt support kde5 thumbs is included with kubuntu 16.04
[12:20] <BluesKaj> open ksysguard first then open ff and watch the memory usage climb in ksysguard
[12:20] <equinox_> but my cached memory usage on htop still full
[12:21] <equinox_> firefox is now 270 064 K
[12:22] <equinox_> is there a way to uncache memory or something ?
[12:22] <equinox_> reboot ?
[12:28] <BluesKaj> dunno, never seen that before mine appears normal 2.3 out of 5.8
[12:31] <soee_> chaos|2: probably this will work when Apps 16.04 will be backported to Xenial
[12:31] <soee_> so i suggest to wait for those new Apps :)
[12:35] <equinox_> now it is swaping... I only use 1.36G/7.7G
[12:35] <equinox_> really strange
[12:36] <equinox_> it does not seem to be caused by firefox
[12:36] <equinox_> just that f***** full cached memory
[12:41] <hateball> equinox_: yes you can force the kernel to drop cache
[12:41] <hateball> equinox_: echo 3 | sudo tee /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches
[12:44] <equinox_> thx hateball
[12:46] <BluesKaj> hateball, assume that drop cache command works for this session only ?
[12:48] <hateball> BluesKaj: It drops here and now
[12:48] <hateball> And the kernel will start caching again when it wants to
[12:48] <BluesKaj> something must trigger the kernel to start caching
[12:49] <hateball> Well, using the computer
[12:49] <hateball> Cache is good
[12:49] <hateball> What is not good however, is if it starts using swap instead of clearing out cache first
[12:49] <equinox_> cache is good but it also force swaping
[12:49] <hateball> You can lower swappiness, see if that helps
[12:50] <chaos|2> anyone else having trouble getting video thumbnails to work?
[12:50] <equinox_> I'll try reducing swapiness if it swapp again
[12:50] <equinox_> at the moment the problem deseapears since I drop the cache
[12:51] <hateball> equinox_: sudo sysctl vm.swappiness=10 will lower it from the default 60 to a more sane level
[12:51] <hateball> use sysctl -w to make it a permanent change
[12:51] <equinox_> ok thank u
[12:51] <BluesKaj> swapiness default is set at 60, assume that's percent
[12:52] <BluesKaj> recomended noe is 10
[12:52] <BluesKaj> now
[12:52] <hateball> It's "affinity", how likely it is to start using swap
[12:52] <equinox_> I understand
[12:53] <hateball> If only plasma settings were as easily fixable as low level things :|
[12:56] <BluesKaj> equinox_, here 's a good tut on swapiness  http://askubuntu.com/questions/157793/why-is-swap-being-used-even-though-i-have-plenty-of-free-ram
[13:13] <pakrat> I have an error when trying to upgrade newest edition. http://imgur.com/QarDi3l help please
[13:14] <soee_> pakrat: your partition that holdes /boot folder is almost full i think
[13:14] <sithlord48> pakrat:  thats a farily self explanatory message..
[13:14] <soee_> try to run: sudo apt-get autoremove
[13:15] <sithlord48> you need to free at least 50MB on your boot as soee_ just said try apt-get autoremove
[13:15] <soee_> if you have some kernels that are not used it will remove
[13:15] <sithlord48> even removing one will free more then enough space for your install to finish
[13:16] <pakrat> it is on a terabyte hard drive with not much installed
[13:17] <pakrat> did everything that the command asked
[13:17] <soee_> are you sure you did not used other partition for / or /boot ?
[13:17] <sithlord48> if you run df -h does it should a boot partition >? (use konsole to run the command)
[13:17] <pakrat> Yes
[13:18] <pakrat> Told me to reboot
[13:18] <pakrat> Have two computers :) On my Mac with the Chat
[13:19] <sithlord48> honestly outside of a few cases i don't see much of a reason for a seperate boot partition
[13:19] <pakrat> Dont think there is one
[13:19] <sithlord48> well there is either a boot partition or your root partiton is full
[13:20] <sithlord48> when you installed how did you partiton the disk ?
[13:21] <pakrat> Full Disk Partition on the disk
[13:21] <sithlord48> so one partiton on the disk? no swap no home partition?
[13:21] <soee_> can you pastebin output of: sudo lsblk
[13:22] <sithlord48> when your machine comes back up pastebin us the output of lsblk and df-h
[13:23] <Bonekit> Hello Guys
[13:23] <sithlord48> ello
[13:24] <soee_> hiho
[13:25] <pakrat> hang on switching machines
[13:26] <Bonekit> Litte question, i´ll install Linux as my new workstation, but i have no idea which one. So my favorites Ubuntu Mate 16.04 and Kubuntu. I´m a software developer and extreme user, the OS is only for working and developing. i hope someone can help me to choose the right system
[13:26] <PakRat> Here is the paste NAME                   MAJ:MIN RM   SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT
[13:26] <PakRat> sda                      8:0    0 931.5G  0 disk
[13:26] <PakRat> └─sda1                   8:1    0 931.5G  0 part
[13:26] <PakRat> sdb                      8:16   0 931.5G  0 disk
[13:26] <PakRat> ├─sdb1                   8:17   0   243M  0 part /boot
[13:26] <PakRat> ├─sdb2                   8:18   0     1K  0 part
[13:26] <PakRat> └─sdb5                   8:21   0 931.3G  0 part
[13:27] <soee_> see ?
[13:27] <soee_> you have separte partition for /boot with only 243M
[13:27] <sithlord48> look at that /boot partiton yo uhave there
[13:28] <sithlord48> and no /home .. did you do this manually or is that what the installer picks if you pick automatic install..?
[13:30] <sithlord48> Bonekit:  what ever you like ..
[13:31] <soee_> Pakrat: you have very small /boot partition as you can see
[13:31] <sithlord48> Bonekit: they will both use the same repository so you will have the same software availble . the main difference will be the desktop enviroment and the programs it comes with by default
[13:32] <Pakrat> Should be the full drive
[13:32] <Pakrat> interesting
[13:32] <Pakrat> any way to increase it?
[13:32] <sithlord48> you said there is nothing onthe computer .. why not just do a fresh install and partition you disc correctly
[13:33] <Pakrat> ok thanks
[13:35] <Bonekit> Okay, thanks for the answer. I didn´t know that, thats good. So last question, how can i update mate or kde ? I heard they have new versions and they are not in 16.04.
[13:35] <sithlord48> idk about mate but there is a kubuntu 16.04
[13:36] <sithlord48> try sudo do-release-upgrade in a terminal
[13:37] <Bonekit> do-release-upgrade, ok noted. Thanks for the answers guys. So i´ll say goodbye to windows 10 and say hello Linux. Have a nice weekend, bye bye.
[13:38] <sithlord48> ok bye
[14:07] <viewer|54068> When I install kde-l10n-nl on Xenial the system won't startup next time. Also, when the package is installed by ubiquety the result will be a plasma that can't startup. I made a bugrapport of it https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-l10n-nl/+bug/1572494
[14:32] <riftware> Quick question - updater just offered to take me to 16.04 but it looks like it will be upgrading me to 16.04 of Ubuntu not kubuntu - this happened to me before and it took me forever to straighten a few things out
[14:33] <riftware> Is there a way to ensure it upgrades to the kubuntu dist not the ubuntu dist?
[14:37] <comradekingu> I have tried dd-ing and unetbooting the 16.04 64bit image to usb. Still stuck at step 2 (prepare) in ubiquity.
[14:38] <comradekingu> thinkpad x200 laptop
[14:51] <cechechito> hi
[14:51] <cechechito> I have a problem since I've installed kubuntu 16.04 update
[14:52] <cechechito> anibody can help me?
[14:57] <tytan> Hello, everyone. I have a problem with screen tearing. My GPU is a nvidia GT 720 and I installed the driver 361. My OS is Kub untu 16.04 LTS. How can I enable vsync? is there a bug?
[15:11] <ejay> Are plasma backports avaible for 16.04?
[15:12] <equinox_> plasma on 16.04 is 5.6 isn't it ?
[15:12] <ejay> equinox_: 5.5.5
[15:14] <yossarianuk> equinox_: there will be backports for 5.6
[15:14] <equinox_> it tell me plasma 5.5.5 too :(
[15:14] <equinox_> hope
[15:15] <equinox_> what about Qt 5.6 ?
[15:15] <yossarianuk> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=plasma-desktop&searchon=names&suite=xenial&section=all
[15:15] <yossarianuk> 5.5.5
[15:18] <ejay> yossarianuk: do you know when they will backport 5.6?
[15:18] <yossarianuk> no idea
[15:18] <ejay> yossarianuk: k, thanks
[15:18] <yossarianuk> kde neon has it
[15:18] <yossarianuk> but its not user ready really
[15:19] <yossarianuk> it has no kde applications for a start
[15:20] <yossarianuk> nearly everyone who has tried plasma 5. has said its the best yet...
[15:20] <yossarianuk> *5.6*
[15:22] <yossarianuk> this is the problem with non rolling release for desktop - you hear about an exciting new technology and you may have to wait months/years to get it - by which time its old....
[15:23] <soee_> there wont be QT 5.6 in 16.04
[15:25] <yossarianuk> I saw riddell's post about it not being in neon as it breaks plasma ?
[15:26] <soee_> it will be in Neon
[15:28] <yossarianuk> yes - sorry I mean its not in there yet..
[15:28] <yossarianuk> '“Does this include Qt 5.6?” No. 5.6.0 has a bug in it which means it doesn’t work with Plasma.'
[15:33] <ENOSPC> Hello, is davmail still the only way to use kontact calendar with MS office 365?
[15:40] <BluesKaj> ENOSPC, devmail ??
[15:42] <ENOSPC> no davmail.. its a Caldav to exchange gateway.. its not great and thats why I ask if there is a better way
[15:42] <ENOSPC> unfortunately I have to use office365 for work
[16:03] <Meeuro> hi
[16:04] <VeryBewitching> o/
[16:08] <user|35056> hi
[16:18] <JeroenDeDauw> I want to install 16.04 on my new laptop using "full disk encryption", though only install Kubuntu on a single existing partition (or rather, free space where a partition can be), as I don't want to kill the already installed OS
[16:18] <JeroenDeDauw> Is that possible?
[16:24] <BluesKaj> JeroenDeDauw, yes, just create an ext4 partition for kubuntu in the free space, has to be at least 15Gb for it to run  properly
[16:24] <viewer|13608> hi
[16:24] <soee_> hiho
[16:25] <viewer|13608> I have a problem with Intel hd 530
[16:25] <viewer|13608> Skylake vga should be supported, right?
[16:25] <EvilRoey> viewer|13608:  see phoronix about hd 530
[16:25] <EvilRoey> on linux
[16:25] <EvilRoey> skylake graphics is mostly there but still gets refinements
[16:26] <EvilRoey> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=search&q=Skylake <-- index of skylake articles
[16:27] <viewer|13608> ok
[16:27] <viewer|13608> and... ?
[16:27] <EvilRoey> viewer|13608:  in particular, http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu-xenial-skldesk&num=1
[16:28] <EvilRoey> viewer|13608:  erm that's all Iknow..
[16:28] <EvilRoey> what ist he problem, viewer|13608?
[16:28] <viewer|13608> 1024x768 res
[16:28] <viewer|13608> driver problem I think
[16:30] <EvilRoey> ah
[16:30] <EvilRoey> which version of kubuntu are you on?
[16:30] <viewer|13608> latest lts
[16:30] <EvilRoey> ok
[16:30] <EvilRoey> 16.04?? ok
[16:30] <viewer|13608> yep
[16:30] <EvilRoey> viewer|13608:  Iwould ask further which intel graphics driver you're using, but I don't know anything about driver versions
[16:32] <viewer|13608> Actually I dont know
[16:32] <viewer|13608> I just installed
[16:32] <viewer|13608> I'm noob
[16:33] <viewer|13608> But i was sure of intel integrated graphic support
[16:44] <akik> the discover app to install new programs seems to be misbehaving on 16.04? it can't find the programs i would want to install
[16:44] <akik> for example, freecad, vlc
[16:54] <thelionroars> just upgraded to 16.04, ermegherd ser ferst
[16:55] <drleviathan> I upgraded a regular ubuntu-15.10 to kubuntu-16.04 last night
[16:55] <thelionroars> not sure why it was so slow before, if it was something weird happening or just the proprietary AMD drivers. But everything is noticably faster - opening applications, scrolling through web pages etc
[16:57] <thelionroars> I still get a lot of crashing when I use the right-click menu in Dolphin
[17:08] <mayhew> Installed 16.04 yesterday. Noticing today that MySQL is using 837M of RAM. Any idea why it'd be using so much? It's not using any CPU.
[17:18] <Smurphy> index buffers, caches etc. ?
[17:24] <mayhew> Smurphy: I suppose it could just be MySQL using the RAM graciously since I have 16GB?
[17:25] <mayhew> like I said, it's not using any CPU so it's not noticable -- unless you're looking at a system monitor
[17:28]  * genii tests
[17:33] <rohan_> after upgrading from 15.10 to 16.04, xorg does not start: the screen keeps flashing and dropping in and out of virtual terminal
[17:33] <rohan_> my laptop has an intel and nvidia card
[17:33] <rohan_> is there some known problem with that?
[17:34] <rohan_> Xorg.0.log shows some segfaults
[17:35] <Smurphy> rohan_: should not. try deleting the xorg.conf file out of /etc/X11 ...
[17:35] <Smurphy> so it recreates on. or just rename it - so you have a backup available.
[17:35] <drleviathan> rohan_, I've had similar problems in the past.  I was able to work around it by moving my home dir to the side /home/old-username and creating a new empty dir /home/username, and relogging.
[17:36] <drleviathan> There was something messed up in kde configs or something, but that was a couple years ago.
[17:36] <rohan_> Smurphy: I tried that. clearing my xorg.conf and unnecessary things in xorg.conf.d -- didn't help
[17:36] <rohan_> drleviathan: i don't even get to the point where i can login.
[17:37] <drleviathan> I was able to do it from the virtual terminals (ctrl + alt + F1)
[17:37] <Smurphy> rohan_: Ok. Then delete the cache entries. cd ~rohan/.cache && rm -rf *plasma* *kde*
[17:37] <swipe-> hi, could anyone who has upgraded from 5.10 to 16.04 do me a massive favour and apt install radiotray and tell me if it shows correctly in the systemtray when launched? the program is tiny
[17:37] <drleviathan> use ctrl+alt+f6 (or maybe f7) to get back to X11 login
[17:37] <rohan_> drleviathan: but it's probably not a problem with KDE if i can't even get to the login screen right?
[17:37] <swipe-> 15.10*
[17:37] <Smurphy> Make sure you are in the .cache directory. it will be re-created (Will take longer the first time you log in, and let it calm down before login out again).
[17:38] <Smurphy> what is radiotray ???
[17:38] <Smurphy> I am still on 15.10.
[17:38] <swipe-> !radiotray
[17:38] <Smurphy> rohan_: that's what I thought I had understood ...
[17:38] <rohan_> Smurphy: Xorg.log shows segfaults when trying to start up
[17:38] <swipe-> Smurphy: it;s an online internet radio streamer app
[17:39] <swipe-> works fine on 15.10 though
[17:40] <Smurphy> swipe-: Ok. Not using it.
[17:40] <Smurphy> rohan_: Anything else you can see in the logs ? Did the upgrade go through correctly, or was it interrupted ?
[17:40] <rohan_> Smurphy: I'll try to paste the log. The upgrade went through without a hitch
[17:41] <Smurphy> do that.
[17:49] <rohan_> Smurphy: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15987227/
[17:51] <linux> Hi, I'm using the new vesion. I set dark breeze theme. Libreoffice Writer looks interesting. From the right side of the screen to the left it has a faded color from black to white. Is this KDE issue?
[17:57] <NJL> can someone direct me to the best place to resolve video performance issues since an upgrade to 16.04 with intel integrated video?
[18:07] <Khaotic> i get this error when trying to ad my vpn: Invalid size (should be between 0 and 604800) in option: reneg-sec 2592000
[18:55] <pierce> Hello I need some help trying to get bumblebee to work on my system. I have an AsusX555ub with an nvidia 940m GPU with nvidia optimus support. I have searched multiple forums with no success.
[18:55] <pierce> The error I get is "Cannot access secondary GPU - error: Could not load GPU driver"
[18:56] <pierce> I have tried changing Driver=nvidia and KernelDriver=nvidia-kernel to KernelDriver=nvidia in the bumblebee.conf file.
[18:57] <pierce> I have also tried matching the device ID from the result of lspci | grep NVIDIA
[19:01] <sick_rimmit> Hi everyone
[19:04] <pierce> hi
[19:10] <akik> re-installed kubuntu 16.04 and the plasma-discover search box is non-working
[19:18] <pjfreedom> Sorry don't know how to help you on that plasma-discover issue. I have been trying to get my nvidia issue fixed for a while.
[19:18] <akik> it's not a big issue as apt works ok. sometimes i would like to browse the software center for new apps
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 Sorry, on phone in the park
[19:20] <pjfreedom> so the problem is it can't see my GPU. So I need to wait for updates?
[19:20] <pjfreedom> Sorry I didn't mean you guys when I said waiting a while.
[19:21] <pjfreedom> I meant that I have been going with this problem since I use this laptop for work.
[19:21] <pjfreedom> So for months.
[19:41] <rohan_> wait what, bumblebee is deprecated?!
[19:41] <rohan_> i just had an issue upgrading from 15.10 to 16.04
[19:41] <rohan_> and purging bumblebee & nvidia binary packages fixed it
[19:42] <BluesKaj> nvidia=prime?
[19:44] <rohan_>  BluesKaj, no, i meant the nvidia-361 binary driver package
[19:45] <meena> is it possible that i'm the only person on the planet who uses kubuntu and firefox, and when they start chrom(e|ium) then kwin_x11 crashes…?
[19:46] <BluesKaj> rohan_, hybrid gpu system or were you just commenting about bumblebee?
[19:47] <rohan_> BluesKaj: i have a hybrid gpu system that failed to boot after upgrading from 15.10 to 16.04 till i removed bumblebee and nvidia-*
[19:47] <rohan_> BluesKaj: http://askubuntu.com/questions/760730/x-org-does-not-start-after-15-10-to-16-04-upgrade
[19:47] <rohan_> if bumblebee was indeed deprecated, shouldn't the upgrade process have removed it?
[19:47] <rohan_> the upgrade process asked me to remove ~200 obsolete packages, which i did
[19:49] <BluesKaj> rohan_, good to know, there have been a hybrid gpu users with driver problems, now we know a fix that might work for them
[19:49] <BluesKaj> a few
[19:50] <keithzg> ...huh. Is it expected that after the upgrade my favourites list in the Application Launcher will be empty?
[19:50] <rohan_> BluesKaj: can you point me to the launchpad task tracking it? I'm curious to know what the fixes are
[19:50] <BluesKaj> keithzg, seems  so...same happened to me
[19:51] <rohan_> BluesKaj: also, the fixes you mention: do they specifically apply to upgrades from 15.10, or just general kubuntu + nvidia + bumblebee?
[19:52] <BluesKaj> rohan_,I think the latter, a lot of users think bumblebee is still supported
[19:53] <pjfreedom> I am back
[19:53] <rohan_> BluesKaj: was it announced somewhere that it was not supported? what's the alternative? i am mainly only interested in the power enhancements bumblebee provides by turning off the discrete card
[19:53] <rohan_> BluesKaj: seems kinda release-notes worthy announcement to me :) but if not, any place where i can read about it?
[19:55] <JeroenDeDauw> BluesKaj: I know I can install Kubuntu on a new ext4 partition in that free space, though not how I can get full disk encryption. I'd like to prevent users from another OS messing with the Kubuntu files
[19:55] <BluesKaj> roh afaik  installing nvidia-prime is supposed help, at least partly
[19:55] <pjfreedom> Can someone clarify the loss support? Is it that the card is too new and not supported yet or is the version of nvidia for linux not supported for bumblebee?
[19:55] <BluesKaj> rohan_,^
[19:56] <BluesKaj> pfoo, bumblebee is no longer being developed, so support for the newer kubuntus is in reality gone
[19:57] <BluesKaj> pjfreedom,^
[19:57] <AciD`> hi
[19:57] <pjfreedom> I didn't know that. I thought it was still going. Is there an alternative for linux?
[19:57] <AciD`> what to do when the upgrade process from 15.10 to 16.04 freeze 1 minute before it's supposed to finish (on the sddm install)?
[19:58] <AciD`> can I safelly kill that python-powered dialog and finish the upgrade via a terminal?
[19:59] <keithzg> AciD`: If you figure you've waited long enough, frankly I've never seen an instance where things can't be fixed by continuing (often by just apt and dpkg-ing) from teh terminal.
[19:59] <JeroenDeDauw> Is it no longer possible to have double click for opening folders in Dolphin?! Looks like the setting is gone in 16.04
[19:59] <JeroenDeDauw> https://docs.kde.org/trunk5/en/applications/dolphin/preferences-navigation.png
[19:59] <linux> Hi, Why GIMP doesn't have my language on the 16.04 Kubuntu?
[19:59] <AciD`> keithzg -> well, I planned to go back to the terminal since the upgrade windows complained about not being able to install linux-image...
[20:00] <keithzg> JeroenDeDauw: I see the option; it's in Systemsettings -> Input Devices -> Mouse
[20:01] <JeroenDeDauw> keithzg: thanks!
[20:01] <keithzg> Hmm well that's unfortunate. Muon is failing on checking for updates with "Could not download packages", and the Details button . . . does nothing. Time to finally install a KDE development environment at work ;)
[20:01] <keithzg> JeroenDeDauw: No problem :)
[20:04] <pjfreedom> To BluesKaij: So the best method will be to go back to using prime-indicator
[20:05] <BluesKaj>  pjfreedom http://askubuntu.com/questions/758972/does-ubuntu-16-04-support-hybrid-grafics-cards-bumblebee
[20:06]  * keithzg hunts around for the setting to stop all windows from opening up on the wrong monitor . . .
[20:07] <pjfreedom> I am not saying I don't belive you. I found that it worked for accessing my nvidia card for gaming. Except it renders everything. But I was wondering about additional alternatives.
[20:08] <pjfreedom> http://www.webupd8.org/2014/01/prime-indicator-lets-you-quickly-switch.html
[20:09] <keithzg> Okay this is driving me crazy, how do I actually tell windows to open up on either a specific monitor, or just where I'm actually at, or where they previously were? Any of those options would be superior to how everything opens on my rightmost monitor no matter what setting I choose in Window Behavior -> Advanced, arghh
[20:10] <swipe-> Anyone else missing the X (close) icon from  notifiction popups?
[20:10] <pjfreedom> BluesKaj Oh I misread your link. Thank you. Its basiclly the same thing.
[20:10] <keithzg> Huh, choosing "random" worked? I am teh confused.
[20:11] <keithzg> ..Nope. Hrmm.
[20:11] <keithzg> Really would have expected "under mouse" to make windows open underneath where my mouse was :P
[20:12] <keithzg> Looks like no matter what setting I choose, windows will open on the screen where I last had a window in focus (even if that window is no longer in focus)
[20:16] <BluesKaj> I have a huge memory leak with FF 45.0.2 ..is it just my system seeing this ?
[20:16] <Kubuvius> Hi.   After upgrading to 16.04, my php/Mysql no longer works.  Any ideas how I can fix this?
[20:20] <swipe-> First impressions of 16.04 guys?
[20:20] <JeroenDeDauw> AWESOME
[20:21] <keithzg> Very snazzy looking
[20:21] <Kubuvius> good, so far  except my php/mysql is broken now
[20:21] <keithzg> Yeah, fixing mysql is next on my own list too.
[20:22] <Kubuvius> how will you do that
[20:22] <keithzg> No idea, haven't looked into it yet, heh
[20:23] <keithzg> Tempted to go the lazy route and try and manually import into an existing 14.04 server I have around, then mysqldump the tables out and import them again with a completely fresh install of mysql or mariadb on this machine.
[20:23] <keithzg> (been vaguely meaning to switch to MariaDB anyways for a while)
[20:24] <Kubuvius> im thinking or reinstalling LAMP with tasksel
[20:24] <Kubuvius> although thats prob a longshot
[20:24] <keithzg> I'm getting errors on MySQL even installing, so I doubt that'd fix things.
[20:24] <keithzg> Did you have an existing set of databases already? That's my main suspicion for why it's failing for me.
[20:25] <Kubuvius> yes
[20:25] <Kubuvius> when i run phpmyadmin, i get :
[20:25] <Kubuvius> The mbstring extension is missing. Please check your PHP configuration.
[20:26] <keithzg> so is mysql-server actually installed and upgraded for you?
[20:26] <Kubuvius> how do I check
[20:27] <Kubuvius> Fatal error: Uncaught Error: Call to undefined function mysql_connect()
[20:27] <Kubuvius> oh, that would be a php issue
[20:28] <AciD`> WTF
[20:28] <AciD`> the sound in 16.04 is HORRIBLE
[20:28] <AciD`> :(
[20:28] <AciD`> my ears are bleeding, halp!
[20:28] <Kubuvius> ?
[20:29] <AciD`> imagine a minor sound glitch when playing a sound
[20:29] <AciD`> multiply that glitch by 10^10, there you go
[20:29] <Kubuvius> maybe switch to or from ALSA
[20:29] <AciD`> ears -> bleeding
[20:30] <AciD`> ok, no sound problem in vlc.
[20:30] <AciD`> in clementine though, it's horrible
[20:31] <keithzg> Kubuvius: either "apt-cache policy mysql-server" or check in muon.
[20:31] <keithzg> Although for my part it looks like it's actually installed now (I thought I had checked and it wasn't), but the service isn't starting.
[20:31] <AciD`> no pb too in tomahawk
[20:31] <AciD`> hm
[20:31] <Kubuvius> k
[20:32] <Kubuvius> keithzg  Installed: 5.7.11-0ubuntu6
[20:32] <keithzg> When I run "service mysql status" I see:
[20:32] <keithzg> Apr 22 14:31:52 siddhartha systemd[1]: Starting MySQL Community Server...
[20:32] <keithzg> Apr 22 14:31:54 siddhartha systemd[1]: mysql.service: Main process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE
[20:32] <keithzg> Annoyingly that's the extent to which it logs any issues. Grr.
[20:33] <Kubuvius> i think mysql is working for me
[20:33] <Kubuvius> Apr 21 21:26:31 bquio systemd[1]: Started MySQL Community Server.
[20:34] <Kubuvius> when I run service mysql status
[20:34] <keithzg> Yeah things might be fine for you then in that regard.
[20:34] <keithzg> Oh wait!
[20:34] <keithzg> you said "mysql_connect()", eh?
[20:34] <keithzg> Yeah that's been deprecated for *ages*, they must've just finally removed it entirely.
[20:35] <Kubuvius> i think that  a custom function i wrote
[20:35] <Kubuvius> and i still get :   The mbstring extension is missing. Please check your PHP configuration.
[20:36] <Kubuvius> when i run phpmyadmin
[20:36] <Kubuvius> do you have phpmyadmin
[20:36] <keithzg> ...you sure? mysql_connect() is definitely the name of the old function
[20:36] <keithzg> Nope, I admin via the commandline thankyouverymuch ;)
[20:37] <Kubuvius> ok, its not my custom function
[20:37] <keithzg> mysql_connect was replaced by msqli_connect
[20:37] <Kubuvius> same format?
[20:37] <keithzg> I believe so; if there's any change I believe it was very minimal.
[20:38] <keithzg> I went ahead and changed a bunch of mysql_connect calls to mysqli_connect calls on an internal website at work a year or two ago and I remember it being a simple find-and-replace.
[20:40] <keithzg> Ah, I see, I have mysql-server installed as a package, but not mysql-server-5.7
[20:41] <Kubuvius> are you on a fresh install
[20:41] <Kubuvius> of Kubuntu
[20:41] <keithzg> Nope
[20:47] <kaddi> anyone tried the new release already?
[20:49] <JeroenDeDauw> What is this new instant messaging thing in 16.04? I need the package name to apt-get remove :)
[20:53] <keithzg> JeroenDeDauw: I'm not 100% sure but I bet if you removed kde-telepathy and the related packages (which might autoremove if you just remove kde-telepathy) that'd do it
[20:57] <JeroenDeDauw> keithzg: thanks again :)
[20:58] <Khaotic> so i have an issue. network-manager wont let me import my .ovpn
[21:00] <keithzg> JeroenDeDauw: No problem, helping others makes me feel better about being unable to fix my own problems, heh
[21:05] <JeroenDeDauw> I want to install 16.04 on my new laptop using "full disk encryption", though only install Kubuntu on a single existing partition (or rather, free space where a partition can be), as I don't want to kill the already installed OS. Is that possible?
[21:18] <AciD`> where can you change the default app for launching http links (ie how to change the xdg-open default)?
[21:22] <Zren> settings > applications
[21:23] <AciD`> Zren -> I meant, at one point I changed somewhere the default path to /opt/firefox-dev-edition/firefox, and since then removed it. Now I don't remember how and where I changed that
[21:23] <AciD`> but it's not shown in settings > applications
[21:23] <kaddi> does the firefox-kubuntu package still exist?
[21:24] <AciD`> I can 'force' it to use the app from the app list, but I'd prefer that the default would be correct
[21:27] <keithzg> AciD`: Do you mean you want the default to be changed for all users? I think you'd have to edit /etc/xdg/mimeapps.list then
[21:28] <AciD`> keithzg -> I have no such file
[21:28] <Zren> maybe you edited the .desktop?
[21:28] <keithzg> AciD`: You don't by default. That's to *override* the default.
[21:29] <AciD`> ok
[21:29] <Zren> Check ~/.config/ for mimeapps.list
[21:29] <AciD`> Zren -> I have one there, thanks
[21:29] <keithzg> That should do teh same thing though as configuring things in System Settings
[21:32] <keithzg> Although admittedly I just tried changing my own web browser default there and it didn't work :(
[21:34] <keithzg> Huh, it did change what xdg-open does, but links in the topic here in Konversation still open up Rekonq.
[21:40] <Khaotic> Anyone else having issues connecting to openvpn?
[21:40] <Khaotic> i keep getting an error
[21:44] <mparillo> kaddi: apt-cache policy cannot find it, firefox-kde, or https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/firefox-kde-opensuse/
[21:45] <Khaotic> Anyone else having issues connecting to openvpn?
[21:45] <Khaotic> i keep getting an error
[21:45] <kaddi> mparillo: wouldn't I need to recompile it if it's a package for opensuse? (never really used anything from suse)
[21:46] <kaddi> is there a simple way to make firefox work correctly with kde? (Eg opening text files in kate by default and not notepad or whatever is stored in the gtk settings)
[21:46] <keithzg> Khaotic: Could you paste your error into a pastebin site? (paste.kde.org will work)
[21:46] <Khaotic> wont let me
[21:47] <Khaotic> something about a ping timeout
[21:48] <Khaotic> connection.gateway-ping-timeout
[21:50] <mparillo> I assume you would need to recompile it (that is what the aur folks do). But an easier way to get kdialog with an updated web browser is simply to install rekonq first, then chromium-browser.
[21:55] <Khaotic> keithzg, any suggestions?
[22:09] <keithzg> Khaotic: Hard to say without a full log . . . hmmm. So how are you running openvpn, through the networking GUI in plasma, or via the commandline, or?
[22:12] <Khaotic> gui in plasma
[22:12] <Khaotic> think i found a solution
[22:24] <blaataap> if I install 16.04 from DVD will it work, or will I get those hangs?
[22:26] <quinnwizard> anyone listening?
[22:26] <blaataap> anyone there?
[22:26] <blaataap> hello?
[22:26] <keithzg> blaataap: Not knowing what you mean by "those hangs" I don't know what you mean
[22:26] <blaataap> sure you don't
[22:26] <blaataap> many people reported an installer getting stuck.
[22:27] <quinnwizard> really wanting to make the full jump to Kubuntu for all the PC's in my home (7 total).  Just really scared to take the jump.  Any recommendations?
[22:27] <deryco> last night i tried to upgrade form 15.10 to 16.04 and it failed when it got to the mysql configuring....it said it was going to run a restore and it never ran
[22:28] <blaataap> quinnwizard: no reason to do it if there is no reason to do it.
[22:28] <keithzg> blaataap: *shrug* it's not like I have an RSS feed on the bug reports for Kubuntu, I just use it :D
[22:28] <deryco> how do I trigger the restore manually
[22:28] <deryco> while running a live cd installation?
[22:28] <blaataap> keithzg: neither do I buddy, I just hang in this channel now and then.
[22:29] <keithzg> deryco: Not sure, I actually ran into mysql failing to install as well. Turns out there are just a few outdated config option names in the my.cnf file if you're upgrading from an old enough version.
[22:29] <quinnwizard> blaataap: just really tired of windows and want to go completely oc
[22:29] <quinnwizard> blaataap: *open source, sorry
[22:29] <blaataap> deryco: there was someone yesterday having the same problem.
[22:29] <keithzg> deryco: For myself, just fixing two option names to the new, non-deprecated ones made mysql-server-5.7 install fine.
[22:30] <blaataap> quinnwizard: that doesn't sound like a very good reason, what does it bring you?
[22:30] <deryco> how do I re run the upgrade on that drive though cause it wont boot now
[22:31] <deryco> I have a backup but I really dont want to go through all that right now
[22:31] <blaataap> DCC doesn't work.
[22:31] <quinnwizard> blaataap: its hard to explain.  been running Windows since 3.1 and in all honesty, want a challenge and a change.  Really just wondering if anyone else had first hand experience.
[22:31] <keithzg> quinnwizard: I don't have any Windows machines anymore at home, I don't really miss it :)
[22:32] <blaataap> quinnwizard: there is not really any challenge in running 7 kubuntu pcs over 6 kubuntu pcs, is there? :P.
[22:32] <keithzg> deryco: Hmm. That depends what state it was left in. You can try loading up the live disk and then chrooting in, seeing what the state is.
[22:32] <blaataap> quinnwizard: unless you want to fix the "help I need Windows for this rare use case" issues (but for what reason).
[22:33] <keithzg> deryco: Might be as simple as chrooting into the stalled install and running "dpkg --configure -a", in the best-case scenario
[22:33] <blaataap> it's like, having 10 white guys over 9 white guys and 1 black guy is not really a boon.
[22:33] <quinnwizard> blaataap: lol, i guess not.  i figured if i did it, i would go all in.  already switched out my two file servers.  only big concern i have is my cad program which I use for business.  probably going to dual boot for a while.
[22:33] <deryco> keithzg: What do you mean by the state? how do I check it?  I can view files on the drive and all that jazz...It does partially boot just hangs on the screen when it suppose to fire up sddm but it never does
[22:34] <keithzg> deryco: Oh! Well you might even be able to log in directly then. What happens if you boot and then hit ctrl-alt-f1?
[22:34] <blaataap> quinnwizard: the only real option is to run Windows on a kernel virtualizer I think (xen, kms)
[22:34] <blaataap> ....kvm
[22:34] <deryco> I have to reboot but if thats successful what would the nect step be?
[22:35] <quinnwizard> blaataap: will give it shot.  will have to read up on that first.  thanks blaataap :)
[22:35] <deryco> just run the apt -f install?
[22:35] <blaataap> quinnwizard: I mean I didn't tell you anything special right now :p.
[22:35] <keithzg> deryco: Yup, or possibly "dpkg --configure -a" first, depending on the exact state of things.
[22:36] <blaataap> quinnwizard: if I had that many PCs I would probably want to be able to "swap" the OS on demand, ie. I want Windows? Shouldn't take more than 10 seconds.
[22:36] <keithzg> quinnwizard, blaataap: the most user-friendly way to run a desktop VM is probably VirtualBox. I use that daily at work since I need to test our software against various Windows versions.
[22:36] <deryco> keithzg: ok and whats the steps to remove the deprecated config settings you were talking about as well
[22:36] <blaataap> keithzg: I dislike it, it doesn't feel like a true environment.
[22:37] <blaataap> in OS X you can just press command-right and bam you are in another OS
[22:37] <blaataap> most people who work in multiple OSes professionally probably use OS X as a basis.
[22:37] <quinnwizard> blaataap: keithzg: i have run autocad in a virtual windows environment before, and was not impressed at all.  however, AutoCad is a really resrouce hog.
[22:38] <keithzg> blaataap: *shrug* to each their own, I find OSX to be a very problematic host for VMs and the hardware very often doesn't play nicely with others.
[22:38] <quinnwizard> blaataap: how would you recommend i implement this "swap" setup?
[22:38] <blaataap> quinnwizard: no clue my self, VirtualBox doesn't provide it as far as I know.
[22:38] <keithzg> quinnwizard: If you've got full hardware virtualization most things'll be identical, but it's true that (at least until recently) GPUs were tricky.
[22:39] <blaataap> in Virtualbox the other OS is just a window on your desktop, not what you want.
[22:39] <keithzg> blaataap: Ehh, doesn't have to be just a window, you can fullscreen it.
[22:39] <blaataap> keithzg: I don't know what that is about, being a problematic host. But I have no Mac. I just see a lot of people do it.
[22:39] <keithzg> deryco: I just took at look at the output of /var/log/mysql/error.log, then edited "/etc/mysql/my.cnf" accordingly
[22:40] <blaataap> keithzg: that's the same thing.
[22:40] <quinnwizard> well, i appreciate the thoughts and will do some forum mining to get some ideas and if successful, will be back on to report :)
[22:40] <blaataap> they are not side by side oses.
[22:40] <blaataap> you want side by side oses.
[22:40] <keithzg> Ehhh, that's way more work than just running a VM.
[22:40] <deryco> keithzg: ok thanks for the help man hope this works!
[22:40] <keithzg> Especially getting each OS not to much up booting for each
[22:40] <blaataap> it's what they have on the mac.
[22:41] <blaataap> and maybe you can have it with xen/kvm too, haven't tried it yet.
[22:41] <quinnwizard> making a note of that right now
[22:41] <keithzg> Last I checked on Macs for booting multiple OSes you either had to use Bootcamp (which assumes you'll be using Windows and forces you to use BIOS) or rEFIt...although actually rEFIt got replaced by a successor whose name I forget
[22:43] <keithzg> deryco: IIRC the two options were myisam-recover (which needs to be renamed to "myisam-recover-options") and key_buffer (which needs to be renamed to "key_buffer_size"), and then at least for me everything worked fine.
[22:43] <keithzg> Ah crap he's already gone.
[22:43] <keithzg> Oh well, the log file is fairly explicit :P
[22:44] <keithzg> Ah, the active rEFIt fork is rEFInd: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REFInd
[22:45] <quinnwizard> keithzg: thanks :)
[22:46] <blaataap> keithzg: you don't use bootcamp, but parallels.
[22:46] <keithzg> blaataap: Parallels is just another hardware virtualization option!
[22:46] <blaataap> I think VMware also allows it? VirtualBox doesn't allow you to run applications on your desktop.
[22:47] <blaataap> of course, I was talking about that, what did you think.
[22:47] <keithzg> Err, that's not true
[22:47] <keithzg> You can flip Virtualbox into a mode where it just shows each application.
[22:47] <blaataap> is that true?
[22:49] <keithzg> blaataap: It's been true for at least half a decade :)
[22:50] <keithzg> Example, this Lifehacker article which mentions both Parallels and Virtualbox as options for precisely this: http://lifehacker.com/5521308/how-to-seamlessly-run-that-one-windows-app-you-need-on-a-mac
[22:50] <keithzg> (and it's definitely been improved since then)
[22:50] <blaataap> but again, what I mean is user interface and integration. On the mac switching systems in parallels is a single key combination.
[22:51] <viewer|35529> uhh hey so why should I use Kubuntu instead of Windows 10? any advantage?
[22:51] <keithzg> blaataap: Yeah I mean you can set up those shortcuts if you want
[22:51] <blaataap> and what I just read is that virtualbox will not integrate the window with your task bar.
[22:51] <blaataap> anyway it's better than running it in the guest OS window.
[22:52] <blaataap> but my VB experience hasn't been that it was nice running Linux inside Windows.
[22:53] <keithzg> Honestly I haven't used seamless mode for a while (note that that Lifehacker article was from 2010), but it's there.
[22:53] <blaataap> not only was it sluggish (also graphically) but the fullscreen mode just didn't do it for me. And to top it off, network performance in VirtualBox is abysmal.
[22:53] <keithzg> Eh, see it's been quite fine for me.
[22:54] <keithzg> But I've only ever hosted Windows hosts in Linux guests.
[22:54] <keithzg> err, I mean
[22:54] <keithzg> Windows guests in Linux hosts.
[22:54] <blaataap> what is "quite fine"?
[22:54] <blaataap> i mean
[22:54] <blaataap> I had bigger download speeds from the internet than across the guest-host dimension ;-).
[22:54] <keithzg> GUI performance nice and snappy, network performance about the same as the host machine
[22:54] <keithzg> You sure you had VT-x enabled in your UEFI ;)
[22:55] <blaataap> VT-x .... has nothin to do with UEFI ;-).
[22:55] <keithzg> (Or AMD-V, if you're on AMD)
[22:55] <keithzg> Yes it does, because you can't say you change settings in "BIOS" anymore
[22:55] <keithzg> Since most systems sure don't have BIOS!
[22:56] <blaataap> and UEFI is one of the worst thing they did to computers in a long time, to begin with
[22:56] <keithzg> Eh, debatable.
[22:56] <keithzg> I do prefer coreboot, it's true.
[22:56] <keithzg> But BIOS was atrocious itself.
[22:56] <blaataap> that's like giving a phone a new name
[22:56] <blaataap> ah nonsense
[22:56] <blaataap> no one ever complained about bios
[22:56] <keithzg> hahaha
[22:56] <blaataap> don't fix what ain't broke.
[22:56] <keithzg> It was pretty broken. The fix wasn't great either. Zero-sum, in the end.
[22:56] <blaataap> and yes I have bios.
[22:57] <blaataap> what was broken?
[22:57] <keithzg> Really? How old of a system are you running?
[22:57] <blaataap> 2009
[22:57] <chron1cle> didnt most of the bios still run on an isa bus? lol
[22:57] <keithzg> Ah, I guess that's old enough.
[22:57] <blaataap> but i call all my bioses bios :p.
[22:57] <keithzg> chron1cle: heh yup
[22:57] <blaataap> why the hell should I call it uefi
[22:57] <keithzg> If it's UEFI instead of BIOS, that'd be the main reason why.
[22:57] <keithzg> It's like calling a truck a van.
[22:57] <blaataap> that's like not calling it a computer but a computing device
[22:58] <blaataap> basic input output system is a generic term
[22:58] <blaataap> not a particular one :p.
[22:58] <blaataap> but whatever.
[22:58] <keithzg> Whatever, this is a silly argument where you're arguing for arguments sake :P
[22:58]  * keithzg runs off
[22:58] <blaataap> no
[22:58] <blaataap> it's not.
[22:58] <chron1cle> bios is easier to say as a word. UEFI as a word.... yu-iffy?
[22:58] <blaataap> I will never use "uefi" if I can ever avoid it.
[22:58] <blaataap> and uefi bootloaders are generally a nightmare from my perspective at least.
[22:58] <keithzg> Then presumably you only buy Chromebooks these days, heh.
[22:59] <keithzg> I don't know how else you buy a modern system that doesn't have UEFI.
[22:59] <blaataap> the menu is still the same you know
[22:59] <trudeo> hello advantage of kubuntu vs windows 10?? I just browse net, do school work, play games and photoshop
[22:59] <blaataap> i mean the word
[22:59] <chron1cle> eww-fie
[22:59] <blaataap> there is no reason to use the word other than for the boot system.
[22:59] <blaataap> i mean the firmware OS control system.
[22:59] <blaataap> that's the only use for the word
[23:00] <keithzg> Not really, since most UEFI systems still have a BIOS layer for compatibility. So there's terminological confusion there.
[23:00] <keithzg> "I went into BIOS to enable BIOS for booting"
[23:00] <keithzg> That doesn't really make things clear.
[23:00] <blaataap> bios does not add to uefi, uefi adds to bios
[23:00] <blaataap> that's because that second bios term doesn't make sense.
[23:01] <blaataap> bios never meant boot-system, it meant "hardware initialization" system.
[23:01] <chron1cle> trudeo: Biggest advantage 'Windows:Updates will be installed in 15 mins. Do it now? Do it in 15 mins? It's going to happen anyway!!" Kubuntu:'Do you want to install updates at all? no? ok thats cool, maybe later'
[23:01] <blaataap> trudeo is gone.
[23:01] <chron1cle> too slow
[23:01] <citizenruin> anyone used lubuntu before? i would like to hear the differences between kubuntu and lubuntu if you have.
[23:02] <keithzg> citizenruin: Just a different DE, is all. Same everything else under the hood.
[23:02] <blaataap> bios and uefi in that sense are terms that only come into play when installing an OS and choosing what method to use for it.
[23:02] <blaataap> as such they mostly belong to /software/ rather than firmware.
[23:02]  * keithzg hasn't used "lubuntu" since the early days of LXDE, though
[23:03] <blaataap> uefi in that sense is a misnomer, not bios.
[23:03] <keithzg> blaataap: Sure, meanwhile I walk to work, but I assume you drive your horseless carriage :P
[23:05] <blaataap> what do you mean, car?
[23:05] <blaataap> "UEFI requires the firmware and operating system loader (or kernel) to be size-matched; for example, a 64-bit UEFI firmware implementation can load only a 64-bit operating system boot loader or kernel. After the system transitions from "Boot Services" to "Runtime Services", the operating system kernel takes over. At this point, the kernel can change processor modes if it desires, but this bars usage of the runtime services (unless the kernel switches
[23:05] <blaataap> back again)." ---- just look at that.
[23:06] <blaataap> I have never in my life seen such a bad design, honestly.
[23:06] <blaataap> even grub2 was better than that.
[23:09] <blaataap> I think I have only one UEFI system. And I use BIOS booting of GPT disks :p.
[23:10] <blaataap> and in its bios I can choose between UEFI and legacy, and I choose legacy (they don't call it bios).
[23:11] <keithzg> Honestly though if you hate UEFI so much (and again, I can't really blame you for that), you should really be paying attention to Coreboot.
[23:11] <blaataap> I don't have time for that.
[23:11] <keithzg> *shrug* Just sayin', you can buy modern machines without UEFI that way . . . and only that way, really.
[23:12] <blaataap> That feels like the open source version of Theme Hospital, of which the developers say "this newest version doesn't crash as often anymore".
[23:12] <keithzg> Eh, it runs all Chromebooks, it's pretty damn solid.
[23:12] <blaataap> UEFI doesn't harm me if I don't use it to boot.
[23:12] <blaataap> I have no issue with UEFI, I just won't use it for booting.
[23:13] <blaataap> it makes no difference to my pc, my hardware, my motherboard.
[23:13] <blaataap> And I don't like OS selection to be done in the firmware anyway ;-).
[23:14] <blaataap> There is no reason why a boot menu would need to be so bad as grub.
[23:14] <blaataap> Anyway I just burned 16.04, still need to label it.
[23:59] <Euvius> did anyone find out why php/mysql is broken after the upgrade to 16.04
[23:59] <Euvius> i dont know what to do