[02:53] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[02:54] <daftykins> hey hey! just turning in here :)
[02:54] <daftykins> lotuspsychje: it caaaaaame! https://www.dropbox.com/s/xkbx3vbk4wu3e3w/IMG_20160421_223946.jpg?dl=0
[02:55] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: wow sweet
[02:55] <Bashing-om> run lotuspsychje run ! It's 16.04 release .. and most have not read the release notes for their issues .
[02:55] <daftykins> :D
[02:55] <lotuspsychje> hey Bashing-om :p
[02:56] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: its like a tuned car in black :p
[02:56] <Bashing-om> daftykins: If he were there .. would have a field day !
[02:56] <daftykins> XD
[02:56] <daftykins> perhaps lucky for them i am banned
[02:56] <lotuspsychje> hmm seems like sudp apt full-upgrade doesnt work here
[02:56] <Bashing-om> Not so for us .. I sure miss you .
[02:56] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: banned?
[02:57] <daftykins> yeah it's been weeks now :)
[02:57] <daftykins> Bashing-om: hehe thanks sir!
[02:59] <Bashing-om> lot of the fun ( and confidence) has departed the channel with your departure :(
[02:59] <lotuspsychje> !final
[02:59] <ubot5`> If you install a development version of Ubuntu Xenial and keep up with package updates, then you will be upgraded to the official release of 16.04 when it comes out. To make sure, type « sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade » in a terminal.
[02:59] <lotuspsychje> grrr doesnt work
[03:00] <daftykins> upgrading didn't get you onto current?
[03:01] <lotuspsychje> says 0 to upgrade
[03:01] <lotuspsychje> and last update was before final release hmmz
[03:03] <lotuspsychje> perhaps daily was already almost a final?
[03:03] <lotuspsychje> could this be?
[03:04] <tsimonq2> sudo sed -i "s/xenial/devel/g" /etc/apt/sources.list && echo "Yakkety!"
[03:04] <tsimonq2> :P
[03:06] <tsimonq2> lotuspsychje: did you apt update?
[03:06] <lotuspsychje> tsimonq2: yes
[03:06] <lotuspsychje> tsimonq2: still 0 to upgrade
[03:06] <tsimonq2> lsb_release -a?
[03:07] <tsimonq2> mine has:
[03:07] <tsimonq2> Distributor ID: Ubuntu
[03:07] <tsimonq2> Description:    Ubuntu 16.04 LTS
[03:07] <tsimonq2> Release:        16.04
[03:07] <tsimonq2> Codename:       xenial
[03:07] <lotuspsychje> Description:	Ubuntu 16.04 LTS
[03:07] <lotuspsychje> yep
[03:07] <lotuspsychje> devel gone
[03:07] <tsimonq2> hmm
[03:07] <tsimonq2> you do apt dist-upgrade?
[03:07] <lotuspsychje> 0 to upgrade :p
[03:08] <tsimonq2> apt list --upgradeable ?
[03:08] <lotuspsychje> busy with listing..done
[03:08] <lotuspsychje> nothing to show
[03:09] <lotuspsychje> smells like im up to date?
[03:09] <tsimonq2> *nod*
[03:09] <tsimonq2> now replace Xenial with Devel in your sources.list like the cool kids :P XD
[03:10] <tsimonq2> $ cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:10] <tsimonq2> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu devel main restricted universe multiverse
[03:10] <tsimonq2> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu devel main restricted universe multiverse
[03:10] <tsimonq2> deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu devel partner
[03:10] <tsimonq2> that's mine ^
[03:10] <tsimonq2> works fine
[03:10] <lotuspsychje> lets c
[03:11] <tsimonq2> Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu devel InRelease [247 kB]
[03:11] <tsimonq2> Hit:2 http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu devel InRelease
[03:11] <tsimonq2> yup
[03:11] <tsimonq2> lotuspsychje: are you actually gonna do it? :D
[03:11] <lotuspsychje> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu devel-security main restricted
[03:11] <lotuspsychje> # deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu devel-security main restricted
[03:11] <lotuspsychje> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu devel-security universe
[03:11] <lotuspsychje> # deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu devel-security universe
[03:11] <lotuspsychje> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu devel-security multiverse
[03:11] <lotuspsychje> # deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu devel-security multiverse
[03:13] <daftykins> changing to devel is moot
[03:13] <lotuspsychje> this was already on devel on mine
[03:23]  * tsimonq2 loves devel
[03:24]  * daftykins facepalms
[03:25] <lotuspsychje> lol
[03:26]  * lotuspsychje is running bleachbit and needs to restart for updates
[03:26] <lotuspsychje> hah
[03:26] <lotuspsychje> now where getting somewhere
[03:37] <lotuspsychje> brb reboot
[03:48] <lotuspsychje> well seems like im up to date
[03:49] <tsimonq2> o/ night
[03:51] <sam_yan> Has ubuntu support the offline update by systemd?
[03:56] <Bashing-om> sam_yan: Ask in the #ubuntu channel .
[05:10] <lotuspsychje> laterzz
[06:38] <Elec_A> I have an odd question, but why it takes several monthes to introduce a new version of ubuntu and only major upgrade is supporting several new hardware and unity's ability to go to bottom? I am upgrading from ubuntu 14.04 to 16.04 and I literally see no difference and improvement in my work. by the way, I am just a programmer.
[06:39] <Elec_A> Someone told me whole software collection has been changed. but what was wrong before ?
[06:40] <Ben64> what would you expect to change?
[06:40] <Elec_A> Ben64: Yes, good question, if you mean they have fixed bugs, is it really necessary to introduce a new major version ?
[06:41] <Ben64> the releases are on a set schedule, it doesn't require a big change to get a new version
[06:42] <dax> and while the software you use may not have changed much, there is plenty of software that did
[06:45] <Elec_A> Ben64: I am not a windows guy, but when I compare new version windows, I see there are a lot of difference between windows 10 and windows 8.1. and now because they are going to fix just bugs and no major changes, they won't release a new major version during the next decade. I hope you understand what I mean.
[06:46] <Elec_A> dax: So is it necessary to upgrade to the new ubuntu? can't we get just new version of those softwares ?
[06:46] <dax> no, because Ubuntu doesn't upgrade packages (with some exceptions) to new major releases after an Ubuntu version is released
[06:47] <dax> under the theory that adding more bugs is bad, and creating a moving target does that
[06:47] <dax> and everything in a given Ubuntu version is tested together
[06:47] <dax> !latest
[06:47] <ubot5`> Packages in Ubuntu may not be the latest. Ubuntu aims for stability, so "latest" may not be a good idea. Post-release updates are only considered if they are fixes for security vulnerabilities, high impact bug fixes, or unintrusive bug fixes with substantial benefit. See also !backports, !sru, and !ppa.
[06:48] <dax> also, while i'm throwing reasons out there, it is not feasible to perpetually backport security upgrades for old versions of software. ubuntu releases go EOL so that only a certain number of releases are being maintained at once
[06:48] <yacc_> I have to admit, if I hadn't tried to connect an A2DP headphone to my wife's Windows laptop last week, I'd be much more irritated with 16.04 ;)
[06:49] <Elec_A> dax: I think I am understanding finally.
[06:49] <dax> so basically, the thought process goes: 1) do you have release "checkpoints" like Ubuntu or just upgrade packages as they come out like Arch/Gentoo. Ubuntu picks the former; the latter is a moving target of new bugs and a pain for some use cases. 2) If you're going to do release checkpoints, how often and how many are you going to support at once? Ubuntu does every 6 months, and EOLs to only support a
[06:49] <dax> finite number.
[06:50] <dax> If it turns out you don't like checkpoints and want to upgrade packages as they come out, use a rolling release distro like Arch or Gentoo, I guess :)
[06:51] <Elec_A> dax: So maybe at the moment someone is using ubuntu 8.04 and happy with that ?
[06:52] <dax> !8.04
[06:52] <ubot5`> Ubuntu 8.04 LTS (Hardy Heron) was the eighth release of Ubuntu. Desktop support ended on May 12 2011, Server support ended on May 9th 2013. See http://ubottu.com/y/hardy for more details.
[06:52] <dax> It hasn't been supported (has been EOL) for 3 years, so it hasn't gotten security updates in that time. Regardless of if they're happy with it, they should not be using it.
[06:52] <dax> assuming it's running on something that gets external threats, i.e. anything with an internet connection or multiple untrusted users
[06:53] <dax> i.e. 99% of devices
[06:53] <dax> and again, it's not supported because it's not feasible to support *everything* going back forever
[06:55] <Elec_A> dax: oh, I have just finished installing ubuntu 16.04. but I had not any problem with 14.04. I really don't know why I did that though. hmm. Maybe I like to use the latest version always.
[06:55] <Elec_A> dax: thanks for your explanation.
[06:55] <Elec_A> dax: I learnt a lot .
[07:00] <Elec_A> dax: just another question, since as Ben64 said releases are on a schedule, they need to release a new version on time. So there is a possiblity that they realease a new version without any changes right? ( I know they won't do that though :) ) and usually a new version includes security improvements rather than UI or software changes? am I right ?
[07:01] <Ben64> newer versions of software
[07:01] <Ben64> security patches go to every supported version
[07:02] <dax> Elec_A: if the entire Free Software community went on strike for six months, I guess there would indeed be no changes
[07:02] <dax> Elec_A: new versions include all sorts of changes, which you may or may not encounter depending on what software you use
[07:02] <dax> after release, as ubot5` said earlier, you will get security updates and may get minor feature updates without changing ubuntu version
[07:03] <Elec_A> dax: Ok. Got it. It is clear now for me. I was confused at first.
[07:03] <dax> which is broadly similar to Windows before Win10 was (ignoring service packs)
[07:03] <Elec_A> Thank you.
[07:03] <dax> to what*
[10:40] <zebs> Hi looking for some help when trying to build a server from a mirror that has been signed by a key not in the default keyring?
[10:41] <lotuspsychje> !server
[10:41] <ubot5`> Ubuntu Server Edition is a release of Ubuntu designed especially for server environments, including a server specific !kernel and no !GUI. The install CD contains many server applications. Current !LTS version is !Trusty (Trusty Tahr 14.04) - More info: http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition - Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide - Support in #ubuntu-server
[10:42] <lotuspsychje> dax: current lts version 16.04? ^
[10:43] <TJ-> zebs: use apt-key adv --keyserver <keyserver-url> --recv <key-id>" to add the key
[10:44] <zebs> I have manged to overwrite the initial keyring file with a preseed early_command but when it gets to the in-target part of the install it is using a new keyring file and wondered if anyone had manged to get round this?
[10:45] <zebs> i have used the apt-key command in the late_command section so the key is available once the system boots.
[10:45] <TJ-> zebs: are you using debootstrap?
[10:46] <zebs> the install is yes
[10:46] <TJ-> right, and you're using --second-stage ?
[10:47] <zebs> not sure where would that be specified
[10:47] <zebs> not sure where would that be specified?
[10:49] <TJ-> well, with debootstrap if you're building for a different arch (say i386 on an amd64 host, or maybe armhf) debootstrap has to run in 2 stages. In that case there is an issue when second-stage is started where the keyring may need preinstalling
[10:52] <zebs> i can see in the that debpootstrap installs the ubuntu-keyring package and then sets it up and then base-installer connects to the repos which are signed with the new key. Aafter that it fails to authenticate the packages. I suppose I need to over write or import the missing key.
[10:54] <zebs> but I cant workout how I would go about that at this stage of the install
[10:54] <TJ-> in my 2-stage build scripts I pre-install using the command:
[10:54] <TJ-> ${R_SUDO} dpkg-deb --extract ${R_TARGET}/var/cache/apt/archives/ubuntu-keyring*.deb ${R_TARGET}
[10:54] <TJ-> that runs after the first stage (package download) and before second-stage (entry into the chroot)
[10:55] <zebs> ok how do you implement the 2 stage build?
[10:56] <TJ-> I think your issue is slightly different in that you've a repo whose package lists are signed by a different key entirely, so you'd at that point need to unpack the ubuntu-keyring *and* "chroot /target apt-key adv --keyring ... --recv <key-id>" too
[10:57] <TJ-> zebs: see "man deboostrap" - to stop after 1st stage use "debootstrap --foreign ...", do your keyring install + custom key import, then "debootstrap --second-stage ..."
[11:00] <zebs> ok would I implement that in the pxe append line?
[11:01] <zebs> or in the preseed file?
[11:02] <TJ-> zebs: not sure how you'd do it via preseed, not sure if there's a hook to interfere with the deboostrap stage. I thought you were using debootstrap under manual control
[11:02] <zebs> my fault sorry.
[11:03] <zebs> no it is from a pxe boot using a pressed file.
[11:03] <TJ-> I'm sure preseed supports a custom key option
[11:06] <TJ-> zebs: i'd guess you'd simply do this: create a .deb package in your custom mirror with your keyring, and then use the preseed to specify that package to be added to the installation early on
[11:08] <zebs> ok I thanks that might be the only option.
[11:30] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[11:30] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:30] <BluesKaj> Hi lotuspsychje
[11:30] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: your on final?
[11:31] <BluesKaj> yes, but haven't received any upgrades since wed
[11:31] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: me neither...
[11:31] <lotuspsychje> tried everything in the book
[11:31] <lotuspsychje> 0 to upgrade lol
[11:31] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: so that means we had final, before final went out?
[11:32] <BluesKaj> yeah, disappointing
[11:32] <lotuspsychje> lol
[11:32] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: lsb_release -a?
[11:33] <BluesKaj> no need
[11:33] <lotuspsychje> Description:	Ubuntu 16.04 LTS
[11:33] <lotuspsychje> devel got away :p
[11:37] <lotuspsychje> brb
[11:51] <west>  /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER west gqbahqkxwnuz
[11:52] <DJones> Probably worth not using that password in future now its been posted in the channel
[11:53] <west> Well, that didn't work like intended.
[11:53] <DJones> Yeah, blank space in front of the /
[11:53] <west> Thanks.
[11:57] <lotuspsychje> re
[11:59] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: i wonder what the !final was about apt full-upgrade
[12:01]  * tsimonq2 is happy!
[12:01] <tsimonq2> $ lsb_release -a
[12:01] <tsimonq2> No LSB modules are available.
[12:01] <tsimonq2> Distributor ID: Ubuntu
[12:01] <tsimonq2> Description:    Ubuntu Yakkety Yak (development branch)
[12:01] <tsimonq2> Release:        16.10
[12:01] <tsimonq2> Codename:       yakkety
[12:01] <tsimonq2> yay!
[12:01] <tsimonq2> XD
[12:01] <lotuspsychje> lol
[12:01] <tsimonq2> devel alias FTW
[12:05] <tsimonq2> \o/ already updated two packages! XD
[12:06] <lotuspsychje> im staying away from non-lts
[12:06] <lotuspsychje> gonna enjoy xenial some years now
[12:06] <tsimonq2> good for you :)
[12:07] <tsimonq2> I love always being on the development release
[12:07] <lotuspsychje> i also like bugging out, for lts :p
[12:07] <tsimonq2> :P
[12:07] <tsimonq2> The following packages will be upgraded: base-files distro-info-data
[12:07] <tsimonq2> 2 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[12:07] <tsimonq2> FWIW
[12:08] <tsimonq2> we should really have a mirror like Debian's HTTP redir mirror
[12:08] <DJones> Can somebody on 16.04 check something for me, if you open Ubutu Software and go tothe updates tab, does it show a single package to be updated, mine does, but won't install it libjpeg-turbo-progs 1.4.2-ubuntu3
[12:09] <lotuspsychje> lets c
[12:10] <DJones> Trying from terminal, I get the message that the package has been held back
[12:11] <lotuspsychje> hmm cant find that package from terminal here
[12:11] <DJones> I'm on standard Ubuntu with unity, upgraded from 15.10 yesterday
[12:11] <lotuspsychje> !info libjpeg-turbo-prog xenial
[12:11] <ubot5`> Package libjpeg-turbo-prog does not exist in xenial
[12:11] <BluesKaj> DJones, if you're adventurous run full-upgrade
[12:11] <lotuspsychje> !info libjpeg-turbo-prog wily
[12:11] <ubot5`> Package libjpeg-turbo-prog does not exist in wily
[12:11] <lotuspsychje> DJones: exact packagename?
[12:12] <DJones> !info libjpeg-turbo-progs
[12:12] <ubot5`> libjpeg-turbo-progs (source: libjpeg-turbo): Programs for manipulating JPEG files. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3.0-0ubuntu2 (wily), package size 52 kB, installed size 178 kB
[12:13] <lotuspsychje> DJones: install works here
[12:13] <lotuspsychje> universe repo
[12:13] <DJones> Strange, wonder why thats happening
[12:14] <lotuspsychje> amd64 1.4.2-0ubuntu3
[12:14] <lotuspsychje> DJones: did you upgrade from wily with ppa's enabled?
[12:14] <lotuspsychje> perhaps something shared?
[12:16] <DJones> Maybe, pretty sure they were automatically disabled on upgrade, ppa for corebird was disabled on upgrade and google chrome ppa is still enabled
[12:16] <lotuspsychje> DJones: check if your on current xenial kernel aswell? .21 ?
[12:18] <DJones> Linux Mobius 4.4.0-21-generic #37-Ubuntu SMP Mon Apr 18 18:33:37 UTC 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[12:18] <lotuspsychje> yep
[12:18] <DJones> Ah well, no worries with it, was just curious
[12:18] <lotuspsychje> DJones: perhaps force purge on libjpeg and reinstall?
[12:20] <lotuspsychje> bbl
[12:21] <DJones> I suspect its been replaced with something else that conflicts
[15:22] <dax> !server
[15:22] <dax> hrm
[15:22] <dax> !+server
 Ubuntu Server Edition is a release of Ubuntu designed especially for server environments, including a server specific !kernel and no !GUI. The install CD contains many server applications. Current !LTS version is !$curLTS ($curLTSLong $curLTSNum) - More info: http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition - Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide - Support in #ubuntu-server
[15:22] <dax> oh, its variables didn't get updated. fun.
[15:23] <dax> forwarded to Pici
[15:26] <dax> !server
[15:26] <dax> yay
[15:27] <lotuspsychje> dax: tnx :p
[15:28] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: !!!!!!
[15:29] <lotuspsychje> wb mate we all missed you
[15:31] <lotuspsychje> wb BluesKaj
[15:34] <BluesKaj> thanks lotuspsychje was trying to zsync th kubuntu16.04 iso file but it kept failing and the the torrent was stalled, so I used wget to DL, which actually works :-) , gonna burn the image for a backup
[15:34] <lotuspsychje> kk :p
[15:35] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: using usb disk creator?
[15:35] <lotuspsychje> or dd?
[15:36] <BluesKaj> the this old pc has a dvdrom
[15:36] <lotuspsychje> ah kk
[15:37] <BluesKaj> the kubuntu sources are very busy judging by the DL speed
[15:38] <lotuspsychje> i bet xenial gets leeched hard
[15:43] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[15:43] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[15:45] <lotuspsychje> 50 discussers :p
[15:46] <BluesKaj> wow, the 16.04 DL failed even wirth wget
[15:46] <lotuspsychje> wowz
[15:46] <BluesKaj> guess I'll wait for a few days
[15:50] <daftykins> i'd torrent it during the peak days
[15:50] <lotuspsychje> !torrents
[15:50] <BluesKaj> torrent totally stalled out
[15:50] <lotuspsychje> ouch
[15:51] <BluesKaj> wget restarted
[15:51] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: want me to dcc send you something?
[15:51] <lotuspsychje> i download at 50mbit here
[15:51] <BluesKaj> think it's ok now the speed is much better
[15:52] <lotuspsychje> kk
[15:53] <BluesKaj> I only havs adsl , the cable co has much faster speeds, but they're too expensive
[15:57] <BluesKaj> if I decide to cut the cord  on my sattv service then I might switch to cable 50Mb. That will keep my entertainment and communications cost about the same as I pay totally now
[15:58] <lotuspsychje> but sat is also pretty nice :p
[15:58] <lotuspsychje> hey davidcalle
[15:58] <lotuspsychje> davido_:
[15:58] <davido_> howdy.
[15:58] <BluesKaj> but it's pita to switch ...new modem etc etc
[15:58] <BluesKaj> hi davido_
[15:58] <davido_> So it appears that network manager doesn't recognize the openconnect plugin under Ubuntu 16.04.
[15:58] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: yeah always new modems/routers cost when switch
[15:59] <lotuspsychje> davido_: whats the result of that?
[15:59] <davido_> Not looking for support (because a bug is a bug... nothing to support... plus I can connect to the vpn using the shell), just a word of caution.
[15:59] <lotuspsychje> i placed a network-manager bug for xenial also
[15:59] <davido_> Well on a system that previously had the vpn connection set up through NM, you can attempt login, but it will fail. If you attempt to edit the connection, that will fail with a complaint that some file is missing.
[16:00] <daftykins> when you say openconnect, is that openvpn or something else?
[16:00] <davido_> And if you attempt to add an openconnect vpn connection through network manager, openconnect will not appear in the dropdown of available vpn protocols.
[16:00] <davido_> something else.
[16:00] <davido_> It's an open source version of AnyConnect.
[16:01] <daftykins> not heard of that one :D
[16:01]  * lotuspsychje neither
[16:01] <davido_> yeah, it's probably not terribly popular, but it's the setup my organization decided to use.
[16:02] <lotuspsychje> davido_: file a new bug?
[16:02] <davido_> i did.
[16:02] <lotuspsychje> kk
[16:02] <davido_> :)
[16:02] <davido_> anyway, not a big deal because I can still connect using some shell-foo, bypassing network manager.
[16:03] <lotuspsychje> nice
[16:03] <daftykins> just a thought but if you upgraded instead of clean install, i'd try it under a clean user for fun
[16:03] <lotuspsychje> good idea
[16:04] <davido_> daftykins: On my one remaining 15.10 box, I installed 16.04 in virtualbox, and installed openconnect there. same issue.  So that's a clean install.
[16:04] <daftykins> ah ok
[16:05] <davido_> i'm not about to do a clean install on my $work-station. :)
[16:06] <davido_> Another issue is that DisplayLink doesn't seem to support anything past 15.10, so my USB3.0 monitor can't be used at the moment until they catch up.
[16:06] <davido_> that's also minor. i rarely use my usb3.0 monitor.
[16:08] <davido_> anyway, back to work. :)
[16:08] <lotuspsychje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1571454
[16:10] <lotuspsychje> didnt happen few days...
[16:10] <BluesKaj> I have a tp-link wdr3600 router and tp-link low coat modem ,  so replcoing the modem is no big loss
[16:12] <BluesKaj> davido_, yeah, openvpn here wouldn't connect until  I restarted the network-manager
[16:13] <davido_> It's all worthwhile just so I can move the launcher to the bottom.  So sick of it sitting between my monitors.
[16:13] <davido_> hated having to slide my mouse through it to get to the next monitor to the left.
[16:16] <BluesKaj> I have just one monitor, but it's our TV. I'm a retired home user
[16:22] <davido_> My work is on a laptop with two 27" monitors attached.
[16:42] <lotuspsychje> just as i expected, alot of wily to xenial nightmare upgrades again...
[16:45] <daftykins> :D
[16:45] <daftykins> someone was whinging over in #kodi last night about their upgrade going awry, i still don't believe in upgrades on any OS
[16:46] <daftykins> why cross your fingers and hope when you can backup and put the effort into a nice clean install where you inherit no backward steps
[16:49] <dax> i've done it with debian because upgrades for it have always been rock solid for me. Windows, Ubuntu, etc. though? clean install all the way
[16:50] <lotuspsychje> indeed
[16:50] <lotuspsychje> and users are so good to mess up their systems first, ppa's, manual installs..then want the upgrade to go flawless
[16:52] <BluesKaj> I just upgarded from a dailyXenial clean install , but I have a new backup image on a dvd just in case
[16:53] <lotuspsychje> !yay
[16:58] <lotuspsychje> bbl
[17:12] <tsimonq2> O__O ALREADY?
[17:12] <tsimonq2> (Yakkety Yak dailies)
[17:12] <BluesKaj> I have a solid, if not real dsl connection at my end, kubuntu's end is probly being hammered big time today
[17:13] <BluesKaj> tsimonq2, is that official for 16.10?
[17:13] <tsimonq2> BluesKaj: yup :)
[17:13] <BluesKaj> if not real fast
[19:03] <davido_> Looks like DisplayLink does intend to support 16.04LTS: http://displaylink.org/forum/showthread.php?s=ecdc41b4a30d5602c067248a5d362946&t=64479
[19:32] <davido_> Now I'm about to install 14.04 as a guest under virtual box on 16.04.
[23:43] <Bashing-om> !info libdvdcss wily
[23:44] <Bashing-om> !info libdvdcss trusty
[23:45] <pauljw> you can install libdvd-pkg and it will download and install libdvdcss
[23:46] <Bashing-om> pauljw: Kust messing about .. it is in the package libdvdread4 .
[23:47] <pauljw> oh, good deal
[23:49] <pauljw> according to the discript in synaptic, it's not in there and needs to be downloaded
[23:50] <pauljw> i found this and followed the instructions and it worked, i think, i'm about to test a dvd now
[23:50] <pauljw> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs
[23:52] <Bashing-om> pauljw: 14.04 ?
[23:53] <pauljw> no, 15.10 and newer, apt-get found the file and performed the operation
[23:54] <pauljw> run this: sudo apt-get install libdvd-pkg
[23:55] <pauljw> then follow the instructions to download, build and install libdvdcss
[23:55] <pauljw> brb.  need to set my dvd player to pass thru to my vm...
[23:56] <Bashing-om> pauljw: :) nice to have good docs, huh ?