| wxl | we going to wait until we got a name for y cycle before turning dailies on, i'm assuming | 00:08 |
|---|---|---|
| wxl | ? | 00:08 |
| slangasek | yes | 00:09 |
| wxl | ko thx | 00:09 |
| bjf | slangasek: we have a name and it is yakkity yak | 00:24 |
| bjf | *yakkety yak* | 00:24 |
| slangasek | my money was on yippee yappee yahooey | 00:24 |
| doko | you lost your money, it always was tuples not triples | 00:32 |
| infinity | slangasek: I've got targets in LP for 14.04.5 and 16.04.1, will mirror same to the release schedule(s) tomorrow. | 00:38 |
| infinity | doko: ^ | 00:38 |
| infinity | Also, hahahahahahaha. Yakkity (though misspelled?) yak won! | 00:38 |
| slangasek | are we sure he really meant it? :) | 00:39 |
| wxl | wait | 00:39 |
| infinity | Hard to say. | 00:39 |
| wxl | yakkity yak, really? | 00:39 |
| wxl | oh please say it's true! | 00:39 |
| slangasek | http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1496 | 00:40 |
| wxl | oh. | 00:40 |
| wxl | yakkety. | 00:40 |
| wxl | sorry, what he says, goes. :) | 00:40 |
| wxl | we're going to get REAAAAALY sick of typing yakkety. | 00:41 |
| teward | wxl: i haven't typed it yet, and I am *already* sick of it >.< | 00:41 |
| wxl | hahahahhaah | 00:41 |
| wxl | well time to turn dailies on then XD | 00:41 |
| bjf | infinity, which spelling are you going with? | 00:41 |
| infinity | bjf: Well, it's either "Yakety" if the reference is "Yakety Sax" (the song), or "Yakkity" if the reference is "Yakkity Yak" (the TV show), but yakkety is wrong. ;) | 00:42 |
| wxl | well, maybe that's the point | 00:43 |
| wxl | it's wartier XD | 00:43 |
| * tsimonq2 agrees with wxl, it's gonna be annoying after a while to type XD | 00:55 | |
| wxl | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak | 00:56 |
| Kamilion | ? | 00:57 |
| * tsimonq2 creates | 00:57 | |
| Kamilion | shouldn't that be yakkity? | 00:57 |
| wxl | hahahah | 00:57 |
| tsimonq2 | I did Xenial so it's my turn again XD | 00:57 |
| tsimonq2 | (seriously, look at the XenialXerus page) | 00:58 |
| wxl | not according to sabdfl | 00:58 |
| Kamilion | Wow, we even get not invented here syndrome from release names now? <3 | 00:58 |
| tsimonq2 | no I mean the wiki page | 00:58 |
| tsimonq2 | XenialXerus (last edited 2015-10-22 17:55:18 by tsimonq2) | 00:58 |
| DalekSec | Kamilion: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1496 | 00:58 |
| tsimonq2 | infinity: look good? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak | 01:00 |
| wxl | tsimonq2: don't forget https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseSchedule | 01:00 |
| * tsimonq2 gets that done | 01:01 | |
| wxl | aw someone should fix up https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseSchedule/LTStoLTS for into the future | 01:01 |
| Kamilion | DalekSec: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakkity_Yak | 01:01 |
| DalekSec | Good for it? | 01:01 |
| Kamilion | unless it's referring to the song? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakety_Yak | 01:01 |
| wxl | he said yakkety | 01:01 |
| wxl | it is what it is :) | 01:02 |
| Kamilion | either way, it's ke or i | 01:02 |
| Kamilion | err | 01:02 |
| Kamilion | ki or e | 01:02 |
| Kamilion | not ke | 01:02 |
| wxl | either way it SHOULD be | 01:02 |
| wxl | but mark IS the dictator for life XD | 01:02 |
| Kamilion | hence the "not invented here syndrome" joke | 01:02 |
| wxl | oh i got it | 01:02 |
| Kamilion | can't use wayland, gotta write mir | 01:02 |
| Kamilion | ETC | 01:02 |
| infinity | Confirmed with sabdfl that it's yakkety, as spelled in the blog post. | 01:02 |
| wxl | hahahahhaah | 01:02 |
| infinity | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/yakkety | 01:02 |
| Kamilion | ubuntu has a history of reinvention of the wheel, sort of | 01:02 |
| wxl | hahahah | 01:02 |
| * Kamilion points fingers at upstart | 01:02 | |
| Kamilion | <joke> it can't even launch apache! </joke> | 01:03 |
| wxl | um, there's no wheel. that's unix, man. :) | 01:03 |
| * Kamilion lmfao | 01:03 | |
| Kamilion | next you'll be telling me /usr is more than an RK-05 disk pack's worth of bytes | 01:03 |
| wxl | XD | 01:03 |
| Kamilion | In my day, we hand assembled binaries uphill in the snow both ways! | 01:04 |
| Kamilion | with a needle and a very steady hand | 01:04 |
| Kamilion | Alright, i'm done with the comedian act; back to seriousness | 01:04 |
| wxl | someone needs to add the point release schedule to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseSchedule at some point | 01:04 |
| tsimonq2 | infinity: mind acking https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak/ReleaseSchedule as well> | 01:05 |
| wxl | we should expect the first around july, hm? | 01:05 |
| infinity | tsimonq2: Those dates all need to be Thursdays. | 01:06 |
| infinity | wxl: First point release is scheduled in LP for the 21st of July, I'll add it to the schedule soon. | 01:06 |
| wxl | thx infinity | 01:06 |
| tsimonq2 | infinity: ok adjusting | 01:07 |
| * tsimonq2 copied from Wily's | 01:07 | |
| infinity | tsimonq2: wily's should be a good base indeed, just needs minor shuffling. | 01:07 |
| tsimonq2 | infinity: also ack https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseSchedule while you are at it if you could :) | 01:07 |
| infinity | slangasek: Do we have UOS dates? | 01:07 |
| tsimonq2 | May 3-5 I thought...? | 01:08 |
| infinity | Ahh, indeed, summit.ubuntu.com has the dates. | 01:08 |
| slangasek | yah | 01:08 |
| infinity | I must have missed the usual email thread about it. | 01:08 |
| tsimonq2 | infinity: FWIW we have an extra week in June subtracted from July...same amount of weeks but I'd thought I would mention it | 01:10 |
| infinity | tsimonq2: Yup, just shuffle the alpha up a week to keep it at the end of the month. | 01:11 |
| infinity | (And fix the colours) | 01:11 |
| tsimonq2 | *sigh* thank god nothing is September 1... | 01:11 |
| tsimonq2 | yep, covered :) | 01:12 |
| tsimonq2 | that also means first week in October gets bumped up to September | 01:13 |
| infinity | Yep, s'all good. | 01:13 |
| infinity | Calendars suck. | 01:13 |
| infinity | Thanks for doing the draft. | 01:13 |
| tsimonq2 | np | 01:14 |
| tsimonq2 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak/ReleaseSchedule look good? | 01:14 |
| tsimonq2 | as a suggestion, maybe put Ubuntu 16.04 somewhere by April 21, 2016 | 01:14 |
| tsimonq2 | oh lol I forgot, it's all 2015, fixing | 01:15 |
| tsimonq2 | there fixed | 01:15 |
| infinity | Heh. You didn't fix the suffixes. ;) | 01:16 |
| infinity | 23th, 22th, etc. ;) | 01:16 |
| tsimonq2 | I didn't? | 01:16 |
| * tsimonq2 looks | 01:16 | |
| infinity | And Alpha1 should move to Jun30. | 01:16 |
| tsimonq2 | oh jeez | 01:16 |
| tsimonq2 | alright | 01:16 |
| infinity | Semptember 1rd is my favourite. | 01:16 |
| infinity | 1rd, yo. | 01:16 |
| tsimonq2 | hahahahahahahah | 01:17 |
| infinity | And UOS is Tue-Thu, not Mon-Thu. | 01:18 |
| infinity | Otherwise, looks good. | 01:18 |
| tsimonq2 | fixed? | 01:18 |
| tsimonq2 | and do you think it's relevant to put the release of 16.04 by April 21? | 01:18 |
| infinity | Nah. | 01:19 |
| infinity | I think it's generally taken as a given that a release happened before the release schedule. :P | 01:19 |
| tsimonq2 | hey, the first time I read the release scedule, I was checking the dates going, "OK, what?!? who screwed up the schedule?!?" XD | 01:19 |
| tsimonq2 | *schedule | 01:19 |
| tsimonq2 | *shrug* but if you don't think it's needed I won't put it XD | 01:20 |
| infinity | Current state looks good to me. Thanks. | 01:20 |
| infinity | Just need to add a big "DRAFT, DO NOT RELY ON THIS YET" to the top so we can send it out for comment and reject^Wconsider people's complaints. | 01:20 |
| tsimonq2 | hahahahahah | 01:21 |
| tsimonq2 | need me to do that? | 01:21 |
| infinity | Nein. | 01:21 |
| tsimonq2 | alright | 01:21 |
| * tsimonq2 assumes that's no | 01:22 | |
| infinity | It is. :) | 01:22 |
| tsimonq2 | :) | 01:22 |
| tsimonq2 | /o\ long day, it's _finally_ over | 01:22 |
| tsimonq2 | but still, Yakkety?! /me wonders what it's referring to... | 01:23 |
| infinity | Yaks, of course. | 01:24 |
| tsimonq2 | hahahahahahahahah | 01:24 |
| tsimonq2 | and I thought Xenial Xerus would be hard to spell/remember | 01:24 |
| tsimonq2 | :P | 01:24 |
| infinity | You might be too young to really appreciate the yakety yak, yakety sax, yakkity yak references. | 01:25 |
| infinity | But it's making some of us giggle. :) | 01:25 |
| tsimonq2 | yeah I have no idea what those are... :P | 01:25 |
| DalekSec | infinity: Don't talk back! | 01:26 |
| tsimonq2 | ? | 01:34 |
| tsimonq2 | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 01:34 |
| infinity | tsimonq2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtTC3pGBjs4 -- educate yoself. | 01:36 |
| tsimonq2 | hahahahah | 01:43 |
| === Wulf4 is now known as Wulf | ||
| tsimonq2 | infinity: has lsb_release been updated yet? | 01:55 |
| * tsimonq2 uses the devel alias | 01:55 | |
| infinity | tsimonq2: The archive doesn't exist yet, so no. Patience. | 01:56 |
| infinity | This is not actually an instant process. | 01:56 |
| tsimonq2 | ohhh gotcha sorry :) | 01:56 |
| LocutusOfBorg | hi, can I sync libpng*? | 06:14 |
| infinity | LocutusOfBorg: Maybe. | 06:19 |
| LocutusOfBorg | it will end up in unapproved... and in new because of the soname change | 06:22 |
| LocutusOfBorg | so, lets sync and leave the decision to release team | 06:22 |
| LocutusOfBorg | oops unapproved, because somebody sync'd it before already | 06:23 |
| LocutusOfBorg | well, I opened LP: #1573415 for the old libpng-dev removal | 06:38 |
| ubot5` | Launchpad bug 1573415 in libpng (Ubuntu) "please merge libpng from debian" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1573415 | 06:38 |
| * LocutusOfBorg thinks about a transition tracker | 06:39 | |
| * flocculant lols at yakketyyak | 06:40 | |
| infinity | Hrm. Might have to walk to the office to update chroot tarballs. | 06:42 |
| infinity | Seems like everyone in this hotel woke up at once and started surfing porn. | 06:42 |
| === smb` is now known as smb | ||
| * infinity grabs a quick shower before heading in to finish opening. | 06:43 | |
| LocutusOfBorg | LOL | 06:45 |
| flocculant | morning infinity - now the madness is over - thanks to you all :) | 06:45 |
| infinity | flocculant: It's never really over. Now I get to open yakkety, and people get to fix all the bugs we found in the release so we can have a better point release, and and and... | 06:52 |
| flocculant | infinity: :) | 06:54 |
| flocculant | still laughing at yakkety yak :D | 06:55 |
| * infinity -> Bluefin. | 06:59 | |
| infinity | doko: Did you have any pre-opening toolchain bits for 16.10, or shall we just roll into it once the checklist is done? | 08:10 |
| ogra_ | infinity, seems 15.04 is gone from http://releases.ubuntu.com/ .... there were snappy images in there that are still valid | 08:32 |
| davmor2 | ogra_: 15.04 was dropped 3 months into 15.10 this isn't a new thing ;) | 08:35 |
| ogra_ | ha ha | 08:35 |
| davmor2 | ogra_: no I'm serious | 08:35 |
| ogra_ | i think there are pages linking to them, the 15.04 snappy image are supported until the 16.04 snappy release ... which is some time in summer (june/july) | 08:36 |
| ogra_ | *images | 08:36 |
| === Loopeth is now known as Loopeth_upgradin | ||
| infinity | ogra_: I can copy the snappy ones back, gimme time. I'm multitasking a bit. | 08:46 |
| ogra_ | no hurry | 08:46 |
| xnox | i'm gonna have so many laughs about | 10:25 |
| xnox | yakkety security | 10:25 |
| xnox | and yakkety backports | 10:25 |
| xnox | and yakkety updates | 10:25 |
| Laney | yakports | 10:25 |
| infinity | xnox: Oh joy, a new boost. | 10:29 |
| infinity | xnox: Do we want that built before we open? | 10:29 |
| infinity | xnox: (ie: is there a defaults bump too?) | 10:29 |
| xnox | infinity, default bump in progress | 10:32 |
| xnox | infinity, i also believe this boost1.60 will fail to migrate on s390x, but we shall see. | 10:33 |
| infinity | xnox: Well, that's not ideal. | 10:33 |
| infinity | xnox: Don't really want autosync all backed up on boost. | 10:33 |
| xnox | infinity, well i'm trying to sort out if britney is lying in debian, or there really is something fishy about s390x in debian/rules | 10:34 |
| xnox | infinity, in any case i will be fixing this in debian and uploading there and syncing over, e.g. today. | 10:35 |
| xnox | cause yeah i do want to open with new boost. | 10:35 |
| infinity | xnox: Kay. | 10:37 |
| infinity | xnox: I'll accept it then, and you'd better fix it ASAFP if you break anything. | 10:37 |
| xnox | ack. | 10:37 |
| clivejo | xnox: when do the +1 archives usually get created? | 10:42 |
| infinity | clivejo: A few hours ago. | 10:42 |
| clivejo | oh that was fast | 10:43 |
| doko | why do you accept new boost before we change the toolchain defaults? | 10:44 |
| infinity | doko: I can kill the builds. Do you have a new toolchain prepped? | 10:45 |
| doko | sure, however yesterday I was told I shouldn't expect opening today ... | 10:46 |
| infinity | doko: Boost builds killed. | 10:46 |
| cjwatson | Yesterday we didn't have a name and you know what expectations are like there. | 10:46 |
| infinity | doko: I asked earlier this morning if you had toolchain bits, I guess you slept in (like most of us should have done). | 10:46 |
| infinity | doko: So, waiting on you before I build anything else. | 10:46 |
| doko | ta | 10:47 |
| Laney | infinity: https://paste.debian.net/440208/ | 10:51 |
| infinity | Laney: Ta. | 10:52 |
| xnox | that boost will have dropped binaries, there are mistakes in debian/control that smr did | 10:54 |
| infinity | xnox: Well, it's cancelled anyway, so fix it. :P | 10:57 |
| infinity | doko: Patch gcc-linaro.diff does not apply (enforce with -f) | 11:06 |
| doko | yep | 11:06 |
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| xnox | new boost will be upload into debian, and then i guess we will want to wait for armhf to finish building gcc, before you accept that one. | 11:09 |
| infinity | Yep. | 11:10 |
| infinity | I'll delete the current one so no one's tempted to retry it. | 11:10 |
| xnox | and test building debian build now, so off to buy neoprene sand socks in the mean time. | 11:10 |
| xnox | infinity, sounds good. | 11:10 |
| infinity | Done. | 11:10 |
| doko | xnox, is this boost ready for GCC 6? | 11:11 |
| Laney | xnox: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6hNXUwOHKQ these guys aren't wearing socks | 11:12 |
| doko | xnox, also please consider building icu from experimental before doing the new boost | 11:12 |
| Laney | ur doin it rong | 11:12 |
| ginggs | xnox, are you want to drop context/coroutine from arm64, i understood it was available there from boost1.59 | 11:17 |
| ginggs | are you sure* | 11:17 |
| infinity | pitti: When can we have Yodeling Yam autopkgtests? | 11:52 |
| * apw shouts at network-manager ... this new version is utter pants | 12:04 | |
| pitti | infinity: I like yodelling a lot better than yakkety! | 12:08 |
| infinity | pitti: Too late. | 12:08 |
| pitti | infinity: queues exist now, so britney can issue test requests | 12:15 |
| pitti | they aren't served yet, still need to build containers and yakkety cloud images | 12:15 |
| infinity | pitti: May have to reissue the batch that vim caused? | 12:15 |
| pitti | will do that in a bit, need to run out for some errands | 12:15 |
| infinity | Not sure where they went... | 12:15 |
| infinity | If anywhere. :) | 12:15 |
| pitti | into the void | 12:16 |
| pitti | yes, I'll retry all the bits on excuses.html | 12:16 |
| infinity | pitti: I assume "yakkety cloud images" are a xenial custom hack job, not you blocking on CPC, right? | 12:16 |
| pitti | infinity: correct | 12:16 |
| infinity | Check. | 12:16 |
| doko | coq-float succeeded to build? strange | 12:22 |
| infinity | Yeah. Probably means we should have done one last give-back a week before release. Oh well. | 12:22 |
| doko | I did | 12:23 |
| infinity | Two days before release? :) | 12:23 |
| infinity | Pretty sure that changing the strings in os-release didn't fix it. | 12:23 |
| infinity | I would hope... | 12:23 |
| mapreri | there was this idea of importing libpng before everything, to avoid doing hundreds of rebuilds later, is that going to happen? :) | 12:24 |
| infinity | mapreri: After the toolchain, but before the world, yes. | 12:24 |
| apw | it is in the queue | 12:24 |
| mapreri | cool | 12:24 |
| xnox | ginggs, available empty package is not useful at all. | 12:28 |
| ginggs | xnox: thanks for checking. yeah, empty package worse is than no package. i think they can be built for arm64, but maybe there's still a problem with the packaging | 12:35 |
| Odd_Bloke | pitti: You do _eventually_ use our images though, right? | 12:36 |
| Odd_Bloke | pitti: (I'm all for you not blocking on us for now, it'll be a few days before we have the infrastructure for yakkety in place :) | 12:37 |
| infinity | Odd_Bloke: Well, he's using your images even in the hacked case. :P | 12:37 |
| infinity | Odd_Bloke: Also, slaaaacker! I'll have Ubuntu (and flavour) ISOs building in a few minutes. | 12:37 |
| infinity | *cough* | 12:37 |
| Odd_Bloke | infinity: ^_^ | 12:38 |
| Odd_Bloke | I didn't think we had packages in yakkety yet? Or do we copy the xenial packages over and then all the toolchain things land etc.? | 12:39 |
| infinity | Odd_Bloke: Yes, that. | 12:39 |
| infinity | Odd_Bloke: yakkety is a fully-functional distro. | 12:39 |
| infinity | Odd_Bloke: I'm running it. | 12:39 |
| xnox | hm | 12:39 |
| xnox | ginggs, maybe. | 12:39 |
| xnox | i shall try that. | 12:40 |
| Odd_Bloke | infinity: So hipster. | 12:40 |
| infinity | Odd_Bloke: So hip I can't see over my own pelvis. | 12:40 |
| Odd_Bloke | "chroot: failed to run command '/usr/bin/env': No such file or directory" <-- that's a livefs build error I've seen before, but I can't remember what causes it | 12:46 |
| LocutusOfBorg | :( no libpng accepted makes me sad | 12:47 |
| * LocutusOfBorg read about the archive opening on irclogs.u.c | 12:47 | |
| Odd_Bloke | Though I feel like I've normally seen in on s390x, now I think about it. | 12:49 |
| mapreri | LocutusOfBorg: it's not open yet? | 12:49 |
| infinity | LocutusOfBorg: Still building the initial toolchain. | 12:52 |
| Odd_Bloke | infinity: Any ideas about https://launchpadlibrarian.net/255173456/buildlog_ubuntu_yakkety_amd64_cpc-development_BUILDING.txt.gz ? | 12:53 |
| Odd_Bloke | infinity: ("Try waiting" is an acceptable answer :) | 12:54 |
| infinity | Odd_Bloke: You need the debootstrap in proposed. | 12:54 |
| infinity | Odd_Bloke: If you have a PPA you use with your builds, just copy it over. Or build with PROPOSED=1. Or wait a tiny bit. | 12:54 |
| infinity | Oh, a bit more than a tiny bit, since its migration to the release pocket is blocked on pitti's autopkgtests. | 12:55 |
| infinity | So, you'd be best off copying it. | 12:55 |
| LocutusOfBorg | infinity, not a problem, but the issue is: I would like to have something more than just a libpng imported | 12:56 |
| infinity | LocutusOfBorg: Well, you didn't ask for anything else. :P | 12:57 |
| LocutusOfBorg | oh well, gcc-5 failed to upload | 12:57 |
| LocutusOfBorg | https://launchpadlibrarian.net/255171857/upload_9610916_log.txt | 12:57 |
| LocutusOfBorg | infinity, give me one sec | 12:57 |
| LocutusOfBorg | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libpng/+bug/1524328 | 12:58 |
| ubot5` | Launchpad bug 1524328 in libpng (Ubuntu) "libpng 1.6 transition" [High,Confirmed] | 12:58 |
| infinity | doko: gcc-5 still builds gcc-6 binaries? | 12:58 |
| LocutusOfBorg | message #12 | 12:58 |
| infinity | (libgcc, etc) | 12:58 |
| doko | fixed | 12:58 |
| xnox | Odd_Bloke, i'd love to spin up yakkety cloud-images in my ppa =) | 13:00 |
| infinity | LocutusOfBorg: Seems the only absolute necessity there are both the libpng sources happening before the world opens. | 13:00 |
| LocutusOfBorg | infinity, and gdk-pixbuf rebuilds maybe | 13:00 |
| LocutusOfBorg | but yes, we can retry it until it builds | 13:00 |
| LocutusOfBorg | the problem is gdk-pixbuf embedding somewhere a libpng broken pkgconfig, so the other tools will fail in configure | 13:01 |
| Odd_Bloke | xnox: Hm? | 13:02 |
| * apw will sort out debootstrap in the stables ... | 13:03 | |
| pitti | Odd_Bloke: yes, as soon as there are daily yakkety images, I'll build the adt images from them instead of from a dist-upgraded xenial one; same appraoch as for wily->xenial | 13:04 |
| xnox | Odd_Bloke, because i can give experimental yakkety images to try out to others =) | 13:05 |
| pitti | infinity: open> do you want a debhelper merge? that's traditionally on my list, can do after dealing with the yak images | 13:05 |
| Odd_Bloke | xnox: Well, we can do that too... :p | 13:06 |
| infinity | pitti: If you're in the mood. | 13:07 |
| LocutusOfBorg | thanks for fixing boost1.60 delta <3 | 13:10 |
| LocutusOfBorg | aka thanks for archive reorg | 13:10 |
| LocutusOfBorg | :D | 13:10 |
| Odd_Bloke | infinity: Am I missing an easy way to copy archive/-proposed packages in to a PPA? Should I just backportpackage it? | 13:11 |
| cjwatson | copy-package | 13:11 |
| cjwatson | --from ubuntu --from-suite whatever --to ppa:OWNER/ubuntu/NAME --to-suite whatever ... | 13:12 |
| infinity | Odd_Bloke: copy-package --from=ubuntu --from-suite=yakkety-proposed --to=ppa:username/ubuntu/ppaname --to-suite=yakkety -b debootstrap | 13:12 |
| pitti | cloudy autopkgtest (i386, amd64, ppc64el) are now yakified | 13:27 |
| pitti | building lxc containers failed during debootstrap (armhf, s390x) | 13:28 |
| willcooke | infinity, Should the vagrant images have a xenial options too? http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/vagrant/ | 13:39 |
| Odd_Bloke | willcooke: Nope, those have moved in alongside the other image files. | 13:40 |
| infinity | ogra_: Your 15.04 snappy images should be back. Sorry about that. | 13:41 |
| Odd_Bloke | willcooke: e.g. http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/xenial/20160420.3/xenial-server-cloudimg-amd64-vagrant.box | 13:41 |
| ogra_ | infinity, i must admit i dont care about them at all ... thibaut and didrocks do though :) | 13:41 |
| * ogra_ is all 16.04 :) | 13:41 | |
| infinity | ogra_: Well, tell whomever cares that they're resurrected. :P | 13:41 |
| ogra_ | yep, doing so | 13:41 |
| willcooke | Odd_Bloke, thanks. I've been told that they're "not working" - are you happy everything is as it should be? | 13:41 |
| Odd_Bloke | willcooke: I did a test yesterday that seemed fine, so if you could ask your source to file a bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-images/+filebug ? :) | 13:42 |
| ogra_ | infinity, hmm, are we talking about http://releases.ubuntu.com/ ? i dont see 15.04 | 13:42 |
| willcooke | Odd_Bloke, ta | 13:42 |
| ogra_ | (sync mirro still running ? ) | 13:42 |
| infinity | ogra_: They were never on releases, were they? I thought they were on cdimage. | 13:43 |
| infinity | ogra_: Or am I mistaken? | 13:43 |
| ogra_ | they were on http://releases.ubuntu.com/15.04/ | 13:44 |
| infinity | ogra_: Oh, huh. Someone had put them on releases. | 13:44 |
| infinity | ogra_: Moving again. :P | 13:44 |
| ogra_ | http://releases.ubuntu.com/15.04/ubuntu-15.04-snappy-amd64-generic.img.xz was the amd64 one | 13:44 |
| ogra_ | yeah, crazy :) | 13:44 |
| ogra_ | i would prefer to kleep them in cdimage.u.c/ubuntu-snappy/ for the future | 13:44 |
| ogra_ | we'll see if i'll have success with that once we have actual 16.04 releases :) | 13:45 |
| infinity | ogra_: http://releases.ubuntu.com/15.04/ | 13:46 |
| ogra_ | perfetto ! | 13:47 |
| willcooke | Odd_Bloke, I think this is it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/livecd-rootfs/+bug/1573058 | 13:47 |
| ubot5` | Launchpad bug 1573058 in livecd-rootfs (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu 16.04 current not booting in Vagrant (gurumeditation)" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 13:47 |
| willcooke | Odd_Bloke, and this is who my source is: https://twitter.com/therealmarv/status/723485477328850944 ;) | 13:48 |
| Odd_Bloke | willcooke: OK, in a meeting ATM so will dig in a few minutes. :) | 13:49 |
| willcooke | Odd_Bloke, nw, thanks | 13:49 |
| Odd_Bloke | Step 1) Actually manage to download something from our DC | 13:52 |
| ogra_ | infinity, hmm, if you want to save diskspace you might want to check why all images are duplicated on http://releases.ubuntu.com/15.04/ | 13:53 |
| infinity | ogra_: They're not, those are symlinks from the wrong names to the right ones. :P | 13:54 |
| ogra_ | lol | 13:54 |
| ogra_ | k | 13:54 |
| ogra_ | i only noticed they are duplicated in the MD5SUM too | 13:54 |
| infinity | Yeah, checksum-directory will sum anything with a file extension it likes. | 13:54 |
| infinity | I has to be dumb and follow links or the linking to ../pool magic would break. | 13:55 |
| infinity | s/I has/It has/ | 13:55 |
| didrocks | thanks infinity, ogra_ :) | 13:56 |
| didrocks | customers care about 15.04 btw :p | 13:56 |
| infinity | didrocks: Anything else I can delete for you while I'm here? :P | 13:56 |
| ogra_ | didrocks, which is awful ! | 13:56 |
| LocutusOfBorg | can we have a libpng16 transition tracking page? | 13:57 |
| infinity | LocutusOfBorg: Sure. | 13:57 |
| LocutusOfBorg | <3 | 13:57 |
| LocutusOfBorg | thanks | 13:57 |
| didrocks | infinity: please do delete everything, I would be relieved! :-) | 14:03 |
| didrocks | ogra_: if there was a finale ubuntu core 16.04, I would agree fully :) | 14:04 |
| ogra_ | didrocks, just a few months :) | 14:04 |
| * ogra_ wouldnt care so much about final ... but feature-functional would be good | 14:05 | |
| didrocks | like having config? :p | 14:06 |
| ogra_ | config ... a classic shell so you can actually build snaps ... (sicne we dont support cross building) | 14:07 |
| Odd_Bloke | LocutusOfBorg: Hey, was https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox/5.0.18-dfsg-2build1 fixing an upstream issue (that users of Virtualbox 5.0.18 on other platforms might see)? | 14:07 |
| ogra_ | these are the two pressing items imho ... once they are back we should really push everyone to use 16.04 | 14:08 |
| LocutusOfBorg | Odd_Bloke, yes | 14:08 |
| LocutusOfBorg | a serious one | 14:08 |
| LocutusOfBorg | https://launchpadlibrarian.net/254650006/virtualbox_5.0.18-dfsg-2_5.0.18-dfsg-2build1.diff.gz | 14:08 |
| LocutusOfBorg | look at the diff | 14:08 |
| LocutusOfBorg | +Description: fix https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/15317 | 14:09 |
| LocutusOfBorg | upstream asked me to cherry-pick the patch | 14:09 |
| infinity | Odd_Bloke: So, sounds like the self-important bug submitter who felt the need to call us out on twitter is just running a buggy version of VirtualBox. :P | 14:09 |
| Odd_Bloke | infinity: Yep. ^_^ | 14:10 |
| infinity | Odd_Bloke: Shame his followers won't see that. | 14:10 |
| Odd_Bloke | infinity: If only he were running Ubuntu, he would never have had this problem. | 14:10 |
| infinity | (And seems unlikely he'll mention it) | 14:10 |
| infinity | willcooke: ^ | 14:10 |
| LocutusOfBorg | I got a lot of bug reports about 5.0.18 without the patch and 5.0.16 | 14:10 |
| LocutusOfBorg | and *none* yet about the version landed in xenial | 14:11 |
| Odd_Bloke | LocutusOfBorg: Yeah, I saw it when testing the Vagrant box pre-release. | 14:11 |
| infinity | LocutusOfBorg: Find a large tree to knock on. | 14:11 |
| Odd_Bloke | But upgraded and it went away. | 14:11 |
| LocutusOfBorg | infinity, I didn't get it :) | 14:11 |
| willcooke | thanks infinity | 14:11 |
| LocutusOfBorg | thanks Odd_Bloke for confirming the fix | 14:11 |
| Odd_Bloke | I did enjoy a moment of sheer panic though, when I _did_ think it was an issue with our vagrant boxes. ;) | 14:12 |
| pitti | infinity: ^ prerequisite for merged debhelper | 14:14 |
| doko | pitti: done | 14:15 |
| pitti | doko, infinity: ^ | 14:22 |
| pitti | infinity: yakkety autopkgtests should be fully running; next britney run will re-issue the lost test requests | 14:22 |
| infinity | pitti: Huzzah. | 14:22 |
| doko | pitti, done | 14:24 |
| Odd_Bloke | infinity: Luckily, he only posted about it in replies, so only people who follow the people he was replying to will see it. :) | 14:26 |
| LocutusOfBorg | Odd_Bloke, link? | 14:28 |
| Odd_Bloke | LocutusOfBorg: https://twitter.com/therealmarv/with_replies <-- a couple of tweets in there; I replied to one already :) | 14:29 |
| LocutusOfBorg | so at the end we should thanks infinity for accepting the last minute virtualbox fix :D | 14:31 |
| Odd_Bloke | Indeed. :) | 14:37 |
| pitti | infinity: fun, the pbuilder regression looks pretty much like the failure to deboostrap a yakkety container that I experienced earlier | 14:44 |
| infinity | pitti: All I see is 404s... | 14:45 |
| infinity | Oh, I guess the log links work. | 14:45 |
| pitti | 404s? | 14:45 |
| pitti | oh, I see what you mean (I didn't try looking at the debci page) | 14:46 |
| infinity | http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/p/pbuilder/yakkety/amd64 | 14:46 |
| * pitti will fix that | 14:46 | |
| infinity | pitti: Ugh. I think it's Steve's sysvinit. | 14:53 |
| pitti | infinity: I wonder why that SRU was released already | 14:53 |
| pitti | given that it had a regression | 14:53 |
| infinity | pitti: It wasn't, it was copied from xenial-proposed to yakkety-proposed. | 14:53 |
| pitti | oh, *phew* | 14:53 |
| pitti | right, only the floating task is closed | 14:54 |
| pitti | so, similar to bug 1573240 I figure (no debootstrap.log in the output) | 14:54 |
| ubot5 | bug 1573240 in sysvinit (Ubuntu) "package initscripts 2.88dsf-59.2ubuntu2.1 failed to install/upgrade: pre-dependency problem - not installing initscripts" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1573240 | 14:54 |
| infinity | pitti: Seems he subtly perturbed dependencies just enough to get util-linux configuring before systemd, which it seems to be not fond of. | 14:54 |
| infinity | slangasek: ^ | 14:55 |
| pitti | http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/p/pbuilder/ (and others) are yaky now (some might still be missing, html generation isn't done yet) | 14:55 |
| * pitti adds Launchpad apport retracer configs for yak | 14:57 | |
| slangasek | infinity: right, I didn't count on it being copied forward to yakkety so soon; do you want to revert that in yakkety? | 15:10 |
| infinity | slangasek: Yeah. Want to revert properly with a higher version? | 15:13 |
| slangasek | infinity: sorry, I was suggesting you go ahead and do the revert, as it'll be about 3 hours before I can get to it | 15:13 |
| infinity | Oh. Kay. | 15:13 |
| infinity | slangasek: Done. | 15:16 |
| balloons | can juju-core be accepted? | 15:40 |
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| jderose | anyone know why `update-manger` isn't offering the upgrade to 16.04 for 14.04 users? on 14.04 systems, even `update-manager -d` seems to no longer offer the upgrade to 16.04 | 16:28 |
| teward | jderose: i know the 'standard' way for 14.04 to 16.04 without -d is not available until .1 | 16:29 |
| jderose | teward: okay, thanks. this is a new scenario, isn't it? i don't think i've ever encountered this before | 16:29 |
| teward | I dunno, I've never went from LTS -> LTS until at least .1 | 16:30 |
| teward | :P | 16:30 |
| hggdh | jderose: it is not new | 16:47 |
| jderose | hggdh: do you know when this started happening? in the grand schema of things, it is new, because there was a time when Ubuntu didn't do LTS point releases :P | 16:48 |
| hggdh | jderose: I do not remember from the top of my head; it already happened on 14.04, but I am unsure if it also happened on 12.04 | 16:49 |
| jderose | hggdh: okay, maybe it started happening with 14.04 then | 16:49 |
| hggdh | i think it did, though... | 16:49 |
| hggdh | reasoning is this allows for major issues to be found before production upgrades are started (I, for one, never upgraded to a new version of a distro (or OS) before at *least* a few months | 16:51 |
| hggdh | (I mean on production servers) | 16:51 |
| cjwatson | -d should work though. | 16:51 |
| hggdh | yes | 16:51 |
| cjwatson | both http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-development and http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-lts-development list xenial | 16:52 |
| wxl | um, yakkety dailies are all set up on the tracker but it seems like the cronjobs might not have been turned back on | 17:02 |
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| Laney | It's the first day, the archive isn't properly open - be patient. :) | 17:12 |
| wxl | patience?! i have isos that need updated!!!!! they're probably at least 0.0000001% different by now! | 17:13 |
| wxl | ;) | 17:13 |
| wxl | just making sure things get done, seriously. i know it's easy to forget things after release week phew | 17:13 |
| cjwatson | please don't, we have a checklist | 17:13 |
| cjwatson | asking about nearly the last thing on it isn't helpful :) | 17:13 |
| * wxl hangs his head in shame | 17:14 | |
| jderose | cjwatson: perhaps it's issues with my internet, but today `update-manager -d` isn't working for me for 14.04 to 16.04 upgrades. which is fine, just a bit unexpected :) | 17:18 |
| * apw installs a 14.04 install to confirm/deny that | 17:22 | |
| jderose | apw: thank you very much! maybe it's just an issue with me, mirrors i'm using, etc | 17:23 |
| doko | pitti, are the s390x autopkg testers running? | 17:23 |
| doko | xnox, do you want to do the boost transition before opening the archive for general uploads? | 17:30 |
| infinity | doko: I think the intention was to get boost1.60 (and defaults) in as well as libpng16 (and the libpng12 that disables the -dev), and then open the flood gates to do both transitions. | 17:40 |
| infinity | doko: Also, I'm going to be sleeping and then on a plane, so I trust you, cjwatson, pitti, etc have this all in hand and we'll be ready to release when I get home. :) | 17:40 |
| doko | infinity, ok. but xnox didn't answer my question if boost1.60 is ready for GCC 6, and if we need another boost transition this cycle | 17:41 |
| infinity | doko: Sure, if he gives you crap answers, don't wait on him. :P | 17:41 |
| * doko looks at icu ... | 17:41 | |
| apw | jderose, ok mine insisted i updated my 14.04, but once it was shiney and updated "update-manager -d" is offering me an update to 16.04 | 17:52 |
| jderose | apw: so it did take `update-manager -d`, not just running the update manager normally? i'll try again shortly, currently i'm doing a 15.10-->16.04 test | 17:53 |
| apw | jderose, yes the -d is needed to let it see the update before .1 | 17:54 |
| jderose | apw: okay, thanks! i'll try `update-manager -d` again shortly | 17:54 |
| apw | jderose, if it says you have updates to the local version it won't consider an upgrade between them | 17:55 |
| jderose | apw: hmm, strange. did you have any such local updates that you think should have triggered this behavior? | 17:57 |
| apw | jderose, no just if you have any kinds of update it will always only consider applying those, once the system at its current version is up-to-date, then and only then it will offer you updates to new releases | 17:58 |
| jderose | hmm, i did do an `apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade` first | 17:59 |
| slangasek | infinity: are you happy taking a command-not-found SRU without a bug + verification (since it's a flat db update)? | 18:25 |
| doko | slangasek, he's on a plane | 18:29 |
| infinity | Not yet. Sleeping currently. | 18:30 |
| infinity | In theory. | 18:30 |
| infinity | slangasek: Would pay big money for it to be done in the same locale as the previous update. | 18:31 |
| infinity | To avoid sorting diffs like: | 18:31 |
| infinity | -i386|main|qemu-system-ppc|qemu-system-ppcemb,qemu-system-ppc,qemu-system-ppc64le,qemu-system-ppc64 | 18:31 |
| infinity | +i386|main|qemu-system-ppc|qemu-system-ppcemb,qemu-system-ppc64,qemu-system-ppc64le,qemu-system-ppc | 18:31 |
| infinity | Man, I was sure I saw mvo update this fairly recently too. That's a lot of churn. | 18:33 |
| jderose | infinity: you should sleep in practice, i expect you've earned it :D | 18:45 |
| slangasek | infinity: "in the same locale" wut | 18:52 |
| slangasek | so... I should set a German locale to run the update? | 18:52 |
| slangasek | infinity: oh. for that matter, the source of the new data is an scp from mvo's homedir, so... kinda not something changing my local locale will fix | 18:53 |
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| infinity | slangasek: Oh, it's not mangled on your machine after fetch? That's even weirder. | 18:59 |
| infinity | slangasek: Cause those flips (ppc for ppc64, _ for -) are classic locale sort mismatches. Oh well. I'll tell him to fix his crap to be consistent another time. :P | 19:00 |
| infinity | slangasek: Looks like most of the updates were legit anyway, I only spotted the occasional sort inversion. | 19:01 |
| infinity | slangasek: So, to answer your question, I don't think it needs a bug, but it does need either a human to read it, or a linter that can tell me it's at least not broken. | 19:01 |
| infinity | (THough, perhaps c-n-f itself acts as a full linter...) | 19:02 |
| slangasek | infinity: it spits out a diff as part of the updater script, which I reviewed and give my blessing to. There were various last-minute removals which looked sane, a few new commands which is what was driving me to look at this update, and a whole bunch of main->universe demotions that make everyone happy | 19:04 |
| infinity | slangasek: Check. If the way c-n-f loads/parses the DB effectively also acts as a reasonable runtime check against mechanical breakage (and I suspect that's true), that all seem kosher to me. | 19:09 |
| infinity | s/seem/seems/ | 19:09 |
| jderose | apw: i just tried a 14.04 to 16.04 upgrade again... Ubuntu Software Updater normally isn't prompted for the upgrade to 16.04, but `update-manager -d` is again working for me. it didn't work earlier for me, but that could have been an issue with my internet, isp caching, etc. | 19:10 |
| infinity | jderose: Yeah, it's not meant to without -d for another 3 months, so that sounds all correct. | 19:10 |
| jderose | infinity: okay, gotcha. guess i just never noticed this before :) | 19:11 |
| infinity | jderose: Well, it's only LTS->LTS upgrades that we delay for the extra polish (partially for the UI/UX "polish", mostly because unwinding all the weird upgrade bugs for a 2yr span can take some SRUs to get right), so maybe you just don't do that often. :P | 19:12 |
| infinity | I know I don't. | 19:12 |
| * infinity decides to wander off and get some sleep after the last 36h stretch. | 19:13 | |
| * jderose suggests infinity get some sleep :) | 19:14 | |
| infinity | That's the plan. | 19:14 |
| infinity | Some sleep and then a plane. | 19:14 |
| infinity | I'll catch everyone when I'm back in Canadia. | 19:14 |
| infinity | slangasek: FWIW (yes, really, I'm leaving), I would suggest that c-n-f probably belongs in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Documentation_for_Special_Cases alongside tzdata, as long as we can document a "this is how you check that it's not completely busted" paragraph. | 19:17 |
| infinity | slangasek: Cause keeping it updated through an LTS might not be stupid either. | 19:17 |
| slangasek | infinity: I agree and will try to not let that fall off my stack | 19:18 |
| DalekSec | I'd think so for geoip-databases too. :3 | 19:18 |
| infinity | Yeah, I manually reviewed the last geoipdb update, that wasn't fun. Again, if there's a way to lint it, I think it belongs there too. | 19:19 |
| infinity | As does wireless-regdb (which has the added bonus of actually putting you in a position of potentially breaking some local laws if you *don't* keep it updated) | 19:20 |
| slangasek | we should tie the wireless-regdb updates to the tzdata updates, and only accept regdb updates for countries that haven't jerked us around on DST settings for the past year | 19:22 |
| ogra_ | what if they dropped DST completely ? | 19:24 |
| slangasek | ogra_: as long as they did this with 6 months notice, all fine! | 19:24 |
| ogra_ | heh | 19:24 |
| slangasek | instead of "oh we know DST starts next month but we decided to let the states vote on whether or not they're going to follow it this year, I hear their state assemblies are meeting in two weeks in order to vote on it" | 19:25 |
| ogra_ | lol | 19:25 |
| slangasek | (for A completely hypothetical example that in no way Resembles a real thinG that Ever happeNed in a real counTry causINg us to hAve to do an emergency tzdata update) | 19:27 |
| infinity | slangasek: whilE i aGree that slow democratic process sucks, You may find that military dictators who just change their timezone on a whim and exPect all the computers in their country to magically fix Themselves overnight are even more annoying. | 19:32 |
| slangasek | :-) | 19:32 |
| mdeslaur | hehe | 19:35 |
| apw | infinity, looks like there is something wrong with adt testing on s390x, there appear to be no adt tests in progress, but s390x is still listed in-progress | 19:56 |
| apw | infinity, so sysvinit ain't going anywhere | 19:56 |
| apw | oh _now_ you refresh and it dissapears ... pththth | 19:57 |
| pitti | doko: running in principle yes, but they all segfault like https://objectstorage.prodstack4-5.canonical.com/v1/AUTH_77e2ada1e7a84929a74ba3b87153c0ac/autopkgtest-yakkety/yakkety/s390x/f/floodlight/20160422_142808@/log.gz in yakkety | 20:19 |
| pitti | but that's for Monday morning | 20:19 |
| xnox | doko, infinity - general uploads i don't care, before we start syncing from debian... probably yes. | 20:34 |
| xnox | sorry that i was out playing beach volleyball, in british down-pour rain, in a wet suit, in a sand pit =) | 20:34 |
| tumbleweed | sounds like xnox's life | 20:34 |
| xnox | hehe | 20:35 |
| doko | xnox, icu uploaded, will wait with any boost1.60 accept until that is built | 20:35 |
| doko | do you know if 1.60 is ready for GCC 6? | 20:35 |
| xnox | doko, nice one. | 20:35 |
| xnox | doko, it should be yes. | 20:35 |
| xnox | doko, are you default for gcc 6 already? | 20:36 |
| xnox | syncpackage: Error: Debian version 1.60.0+dfsg-4 has not been picked up by LP yet. Please try again later. | 20:36 |
| xnox | i can't sync the right boost yet | 20:36 |
| xnox | slangasek, doko, infinity - $ syncpackage -r yakkety boost1.60 -V 1.60.0+dfsg-4 | 20:38 |
| xnox | when you need it. | 20:38 |
| doko | ta | 20:38 |
| doko | xnox, please add a transition tracker | 20:44 |
| xnox | wgrant, could I please have equivalent of primary-xenial-s390x-release.html for yakkety on http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/ ? | 20:47 |
| xnox | i still think i have quite a few things that I could fix. | 20:47 |
| xnox | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 20:52 |
| mapreri | xnox: can you also sync gdk-pixbuf while the archive is still closed? | 21:52 |
| xnox | mapreri, no, cannot sync cause it's missing my bug fix =) | 21:53 |
| xnox | needs a merge =) | 21:53 |
| mapreri | (message relayed. /me feels like a homing pigeon) | 21:56 |
| doko | mapreri, gdk-pixbuf really needs that unfulfillable dependency fixed: = on a arch any and an arch all package | 21:58 |
| mapreri | doko: sorry, not sure about what are you referring to. i was only aware of debian #819779 | 22:00 |
| ubot5 | Debian bug 819779 in libgdk-pixbuf2.0-dev "gdk-pixbuf: libgdk-pixbuf2.0-dev depends on libpng-dev but gdk-pixbuf2.0.pc requires libpng12-dev" [Serious,Fixed] http://bugs.debian.org/819779 | 22:00 |
| slangasek | sounds like he's describing non-binnmu-safe dependencies; which are only an issue for Debian, not Ubuntu | 22:01 |
| doko | $ apt-cache show libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0|grep Depends | 22:01 |
| doko | Depends: libgdk-pixbuf2.0-common (= 2.34.0-1) | 22:01 |
| slangasek | sure | 22:02 |
| slangasek | not a problem in Ubuntu :) | 22:02 |
| mapreri | ah, yes, not a problem here. | 22:03 |
| mapreri | though, there is not even a bug report in debian | 22:03 |
| doko | filing one | 22:04 |
| mapreri | ta | 22:05 |
| xnox | that looks odd | 22:42 |
| xnox | doko, what are you doing? | 22:42 |
| xnox | ah icu, ok | 22:43 |
| LocutusOfBorg | I'm not sure how we are left, but first thanks for the libpng1.6 accept, and second, pretty please --> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdk-pixbuf/+bug/1573839 | 22:59 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1573839 in gdk-pixbuf (Ubuntu) "please merge gdk-pixbuf from debian" [Undecided,New] | 22:59 |
| LocutusOfBorg | I already prepared around ~20 packages to upload, when the archive will be open (they are ubuntu specific packages), and I hope the auto import will do most of the job with gdk fixed | 23:00 |
| * LocutusOfBorg goes to sleep | 23:00 | |
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