[01:38] Using the bq m10 right now. Has anybody else got theirs yet? [01:39] \? [02:02] * ahoneybun wants this badly https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/rotate-dash/+merge/292377/+index?ss=1 [02:03] mzanetti, ^ === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [08:27] ahoneybun, me too :) === thelionroars1337 is now known as thelionroars [09:29] hi still loving my M10 a lot after a week. Just one thing. After sidestage use, I keep getting the three finger hint. Which obviously should only run once [09:29] is there some kind of config file fix for this [09:29] its gets annoying :( [09:37] Is the M10 fast enough for general usage ??? I already got a BQ4.5 - but wonder if I get an M10 too ;} [09:41] Smurphy depends what you call fast and what you call general usage I guess :). If you plan to use it as a desktop, i would say. no. Too slow and too limited [09:41] as a tablet its not the fastest, but very usable [09:43] I also have the BQ4.5 but its unfortunately unasable now coz of a smashed screen. I have to say that the M10 performs smoother then the BQ4.5 when it was released [09:46] Soo is there anyone that can even confirm that Sidestage first-use hint that doesnt go away on the M10? [09:47] I assumed it was common but I cannot seem to find a Unity8 bug for it yet [09:47] matv1: Thx for the hints. [09:48] Smurphy np [09:55] I take it that all first run hints are indeed part of Unity8? [10:45] right. filed a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1573524 [10:45] Launchpad bug 1573524 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "side stage first-use hint about 3-finger swipe does not stop (Frieza)" [Undecided,New] [10:48] * ogra_ confirms, thats an annoying one ... [10:49] ogra_ yes thanks. On another note: my kid is very disappointed that your webapp port of the tower rush game doesnt run on the M10. [10:50] unfortunately he doesnt have a launchpad account :) [10:50] matv1, yeah, i was already talking to oSoMoN about that ... [10:50] something doesnt work with the browser/webapp container on that site [10:51] tapping the play button isnt recognized [10:51] ogra_, have you had a chance to do some debugging of what’s happening there? [10:51] i promis i'll fix it if i found whats wrong :) (it is just that time is a bit limited on my side atm .. sanppy curse) [10:52] oSoMoN, nothing helpful in the logs iirc [10:52] ah cool :) well I did notice some other app in the store that kinda did the same thing for another game from that site does work. if its any help. [10:52] except that didnt force a full screen [10:53] so that might be the difference. just a thought [10:59] oSoMoN, http://paste.ubuntu.com/15979690/ [11:00] TouchEvent.initTouchEvent' is deprecated [11:00] ? [11:00] could it be that ? [11:00] ogra_, it shouldn’t, because it’s only a deprecation warning, the feature is still there [11:00] yeah [11:01] talks about sept. [11:01] it works fine on all my phones ... which is the weird bit [11:08] ogra_ oSoMoN might it have something to do with oriantation. I also notice that on Frieza, the webapp doesnt notice a portrait orientation [11:10] i dont do anything to prevent rotation ... [11:10] and here it rotates [11:11] doesnt seem to make a difference if it is in portrait [11:12] yes but on the phones, the app does notice the wrong orientation and it tells you to rotate [11:12] the day-d app ? [11:12] yes [11:12] hmm [11:14] Hi [11:14] the is some funky stuff going on with orientation anyway. My qml app does have a line to prevent orientation but after OTA 10.1, Unity isnt picking up on that any more. [11:15] ogra_ ofcourse that may be totally unrelated [11:15] Does my tablet "Lenovo A10-70" support Ubuntu Touch? [11:16] anyone? [11:17] R0MN4G: you might be able to port it but it won't out of the box [11:17] okey, thanks for the answer :P [11:19] matv1, oSoMoN ... got it ... it needs a mobile UA, then it works [11:20] d’oh, stupid websites which assume mobile == touch [11:20] bah ... but then it doesnt draw the background ... [11:20] i see all items, just not the wallpaper [11:21] Sorry, I forgott to ask if my Huawei P8 Lite supports Ubuntu? [11:22] R0MN4G same answer as before :) [11:23] :-/ [11:23] Is it possible reinstall Android after installing Ubuntu? [11:23] If it would not work [11:25] R0MN4G yes if you take the right backup precautions [11:26] oki === mcphail_ is now known as mcphail === Test is now known as Guest59533 [11:46] Hi. [11:48] my aquaris e5 crashed in a delicate way: 107 messages sent the clock reads and I could not turn the phone of with the power off button. the phone is a few days in my hands. [11:50] I had to wait until the battry was as low as powering off by itself. [11:50] Reset it. I don't know what you did with it - by my BQ4.5 runs for quite a while without a crash now. [11:51] cariveri: http://askubuntu.com/questions/602834/how-to-reset-bq-ubuntu-phone-when-gui-is-inaccessible [11:51] cariveri: hold the power button for 10 seconds longer than it takes for your finger to start aching [11:53] mcphail: is there multiple length actions? I thought there is just block screen and power off, when pressed long. [11:55] Holding it longer than you'd expect does a hard piwer off [11:56] I see. perhaps I did not do it long enough. though Im tempted to send the device back for a replacement. [11:56] not really, it does a reboot :) [11:57] ogra_: aah. true [12:11] Hi all [12:12] Anyone here experiencing high battery consumption while idle on the BQ M10 tablet? [12:12] nope. [12:12] I don't have the tablet though. BQ4.5 [12:13] Nah it doesn't happen on the BQ 4.5 [12:13] only in the tablet [12:14] there is a kworker process constantly taking 17% of CPU [12:14] here is the launchpad link in case anyone interested https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1573469 [12:14] Launchpad bug 1573469 in Canonical System Image "BQ M10 tablet kworker process constantly at 17% CPU" [Undecided,Confirmed] [12:15] yeah i reported that oen [12:22] leousa hmm i can't confirm that one. Top is telling me kworker is using between 1 and 2 % cpu [12:23] but I have to say that I just recently rebooted. Maybe there is an increase in time [12:23] i will keep an eye on that [12:24] interesting, i rebooted also and saw kworker jumping to 17% inmediately after reboot [12:24] thats weird indeed [12:25] it seems some other people also see battery drain of 50% overnight [12:25] both are virgin devices ? no hackery or making anything writable you shouldnt ? [12:25] my battery löasts easily 18h here [12:25] yeah virgin tablet here, only installed few apps from the store [12:25] yeah same here [12:26] 18h is fine, but 40-50% drain while doing nothing on a 7h period seems high to me [12:26] and mine is no tinkering straight up latest stable channel [12:26] i did the OTA upgrade and did re-set the device when i got it though [12:26] (i.e. i went through the setup wizard of the new OTA) [12:26] im on OTA 10.1 but did not reset after update [12:27] the original image doesnt offer you to set a user name (for the lock screen) [12:27] * ogra_ didnt like to be "Ubuntu" [12:28] ogra_ thats an interesting idea. I didnt do that though. ie I am still Ubuntu :) [12:29] just checked again, kworker/1:1 at 16.2% :/ [12:29] only terminal open [12:31] never above 1.7/1.8 here [12:31] pmcgowan: ^ 😃 [12:31] fresh reboot kworker/0:1 at 16.4 already [12:31] pertinent to our email conversation [12:33] might try to reset device, unless u folks think that i can provide more info about this issue in the launchpad bug i reported [12:35] popey, yeah I was just perusing the bug report and checking myself, I do not see kworker running [12:36] popey, while thats concerning, I think the real issue is we must not be suspending the device properly [12:37] sorry im not an expert, but kworker also jumps inmediately after reboot, without suspending the device [12:42] leousa, and it stays high or does it just spike? [12:42] it just stays high, fluctuates between 15.9 and 16.2 % all the time [12:43] leousa, and have you run any applications yet? [12:44] not since last reboot [12:44] only terminal to run top [12:44] leousa, ok and which scope is open, today? === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [12:44] pmcgowan right now im at the Apps scope [12:45] but i have today and nearby also [12:46] ok I am unable to reproduce it so far [12:46] that is weird [12:46] leousa, do you have bt and wifi on? I have both active [12:47] i have wifi active, not bt [12:49] pmcgowan, turning them all on or off doesnt change anything for me [12:49] leousa, there are some good techniques at http://askubuntu.com/questions/33640/kworker-what-is-it-and-why-is-it-hogging-so-much-cpu for using perf to pinpoint the issue [12:50] pmcgowan, alright thanks, ill have a look [12:50] leousa just a thought: after the latest reboot, have you activated desktop mode ? [12:51] no I did not [12:51] Hi [12:52] reboot, launch terminal, kworker 16% already [12:52] Just got my new tablet, It's great [12:52] leousa ok nm then [12:53] Has anybody found a good (read installable) Qt/QML IRC client? Whenever I use any gnome stuff, the keyboard is wrong [12:54] PaulFraOSAA, i use kiwiirc and just exclude it from suspending [12:54] (from the store) [12:55] ogra_: Thanks, I'll check that out [12:55] gsettings set com.canonical.qtmir lifecycle-exempt-appids [com.ubuntu.music,com.ubuntu.developer.ogra.kiwi-irc] [12:55] that would exclude it from app lifecycle mgmt [12:56] ogra_: Seems I'll check it out some other time, It says download failed :( [12:56] oh ? [12:57] definitely works here ... i just did a fresh install of the app [12:57] launching a trace echo 1 > /proc/sysrq-trigger and then running dmesg gives me lots of kworker messages related to [ALS/PS] [12:57] is your U1 account set up properly ? [12:58] Yes I already downloaded a bunch of stuff. Nothing today though [12:58] weird [12:58] pmcgowan, [ALS/PS] als_get_data 1962 : als_get_data *value =225, *status =2 [12:58] you didnt make the system writable or some such (and ran out of space or so) [12:58] ? [12:59] Hmm I just tried to install the XKCD scope, that downloaded and failed installing as well. [12:59] pmcgowan, also [power/gpufreq] mt_gpufreq_volt_enable_estate ==0! return [12:59] looks like some systemic issue [12:59] is that an unhacked system ? [13:00] yeah, vanilla system [13:00] just upgraded to 10.1 [13:00] leousa, did you get the update [13:00] leousa, heh, i meant PaulFraOSAA [13:00] ah [13:01] oh sorry [13:01] nah, sorry that i didnt highlight properly :) [13:01] Yes, I haven't even had it connected to my pc yet [13:01] <- lazy bastard [13:01] > . < [13:02] PaulFraOSAA, very weird ... i could imagine some issues if you made itr writable or some such ... but if it is untouched it should just work [13:02] Well if it installs in system i have about 500 M free [13:02] pmcgowan, yes upon first launch I updated to 10.1 when i got the device [13:02] leousa, aha! [13:02] leousa, its the automatic brightness control [13:03] PaulFraOSAA, 500M ? that should be rather 9G [13:03] ohh really? [13:03] in the writable space [13:03] leousa, go to brightness and turn off auto [13:03] pmcgowan, actually i just enabled that last night [13:03] bingo, bug [13:03] ogra_: Thats what I have in the userdata part [13:03] PaulFraOSAA, what do you mean by "installs in system" ? thats readonly and you really shouldnt make it writable [13:04] pmcwowan, holy cow you are right [13:04] (that breaks a lot of stuff) [13:04] that's it [13:04] Well I just did a df -h so there is that [13:04] (or *can* break, rather) [13:04] If it just installs in the userdata part I have about 9GB [13:04] pmcgowan kworker is back to normal when i deactivate automatic brightness control [13:05] indeed [13:05] Nice find! [13:05] leousa, thanks I will have someone dig into it [13:05] yeah lol [13:05] PaulFraOSAA, if you didnt do any "remount,rw" of anything ... [13:05] pmcgowan my pleaser [13:05] pleasure [13:05] pmcgowan thx for your amazing job folks [13:06] ogra_: Nope, I tried to run apt-get, bug got stopped. I shouldn't have done anything too bad. [13:06] Smurphy: did reset it. thanks. hope thatll work. [13:07] PaulFraOSAA, if you want to run apt stuff, create a fresh container in /home/phablet ... and use libertine-container-manager to install apps [13:07] http://paste.ubuntu.com/15980818/ is a script i use for X11 apps [13:08] Sorry, Fat fingers and such [13:10] alright, im out thanks folks [13:13] PaulFraOSAA, if you want to run apt stuff, create a fresh container in /home/phablet ... and use libertine-container-manager to install apps [13:13] http://paste.ubuntu.com/15980818/ is a script i use for X11 apps [13:20] ogra_: Now that sounds interesting, where can I read more about that? [13:20] i dont think there is a lot documentation yet ... i squeezed the info out of ChrisTownsend's brain :) [13:21] btw, I also have a couple of bugs I'd like to report (like the keyboard in gnome apps stuff) I couldn't find anything other than "Maybe you should report the bug upstream" [13:21] the essential bit is to move .local/share/libertine/ContainersConfig.json out of the way ... since that links to a readonly space [13:22] PaulFraOSAA, thats a well known one ... keyborad support for X11 apps is being worked on [13:22] Oh, well then I don't need to know where to submit bugs or search for if they are known then ;P [13:23] for now they work with external keyboards only ... [13:23] you would have filed it against libertine or putine i guess [13:23] on launchpad [13:29] Has anyone else noticed the phone and messaging apps hanging since the last OTA? Usually after I haven't touched them in a while (and the screen has been off). [13:29] I keep having to kill (swipe up) and restart. [13:29] * ogra_ never keeps them on screen :) [13:29] Even if not on the screen - just in the background. [13:30] I switch back to them and the screen stays frozen (rather than waking up on app restart as used to be the case) [13:30] I think the contacts app is affected too. [13:30] Maybe an issue with the auto app restart after kill thing? [13:31] I wonder if I can simulate an OOM kill to reproduce. [13:31] yes, i mean i swipe the app away when i'm done with a call ;) [13:31] i think the dialer doesnt get OOMed ... [13:32] timp, is that the uitk issue? ^^ [13:32] (so it will instead hit a system OOM then ... which might confuse things) [13:32] pmcgowan, qtmir if at all [13:34] pmcgowan: I don't know about that bug. I did fix a bug where the app seemed to freeze, which was caused by a Dialog that did not close properly and blocked all the app input https://code.launchpad.net/~tpeeters/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/freeze/+merge/291814 [13:34] but if it hangs even in background I think it is not related to this [13:35] yeah, i thinnk it is rather a confusion with the OOM scoring system [13:35] I meant this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1568016 but it is different [13:35] Launchpad bug 1568016 in ubuntu-ui-toolkit (Ubuntu RTM) "Freezes in uitk" [Critical,Fix committed] [13:38] ogra_: I went windows on it and now I'm on kiwi [13:38] Not perfect but at least I don't have to do the capcta each time [13:38] you mean you rebooted ? [13:38] ogra_: Yep ;) [13:38] heh [13:40] My thought for installing programs btw was to mount my SD-card on /usr/local since that is completely empty and is on the path. Now I just need to figure out how to launch them. The terminal program is't terribly helpfull for that it seems [13:40] I don't have an SD card right now, so I can't say if that is't what it does :) [13:42] By the way, Almost all "developer machine" pictures I have seen of the M10 features it running creator, Is that even possible? Or is it for an "opened" machine? [13:46] PaulFraOSAA, you'll have to fiddle a lot ... by default the SD is only handled when vfat [13:46] (so you need to manually mount it after reboot etc etc ...) [13:46] (make it user owned to not hit potential permission issues) [13:49] PaulFraOSAA: bzoltan has been working on a QtCreator click package, which runs pretty nicely now but doesn't yet support building/running apps, so isn't quite ready for real use yet: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg19919.html [13:50] * ogra_ guiesses you could run it in a local libertine container too though ... might need some fiddling [13:56] Elleo: Ok, One thing that could possibly be done was to port QML Creator from Android, That would be awesome on the touch. [13:57] It's really been a good way for me into QML, (I'm mostry a C++ guy) [13:59] PaulFraOSAA: have you played with Terrarium at all? that lets you write QML and view it live as you edit which is quite fun: https://uappexplorer.com/app/com.ubuntu.developer.penk.playgrounds [14:00] Elleo: That sounds pretty much like QML Creator, I'll check it out [14:05] It looks really cool. But it also made me sad because it reminded me that the dead keys still don't work with an external keyboard along with AltGr keys === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [16:25] Looking at the ubuntu aquarium m10 tablet is says: OS Ubuntu 15.04 [16:25] does anyone know if it upgrades easily to 16.04? [16:26] Im thinking about ordering one, but not sure whether to do it now, or wait for the OS to be bumped, or how long that might take ... [16:26] any ideas? [16:26] melvster: you can order safely, ubuntu-touch works otherwise [16:26] melvster: check topic: ota 10.1 [16:27] thats latest [16:28] lotuspsycheje: thanks! so looking at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes/OTA-10.1 I am guessing that the tablet will auto upgrade "over the air" to 16.04? [16:29] melvster: the ota's count, dont focus on the release too much :p [16:30] melvster: in system settings ota version will also show [16:30] lotuspsychje: ok thanks, sorry wasnt 100% sure the relationship to OTA and release cycle. Maybe I'll try this out on my nexus 4 first, then order the tablet. Im VERY tempted (even tho im unsure how well 2GB will be) [16:30] ubuntu 15.04(ota 10.1) on my phone [16:31] melvster: im sure the m10 is a bomb :p [16:31] oh interesting [16:32] will 15.04 / OTA cyle / 16.04 converge -- sorry if that's a noob question! [16:32] melvster: eventually... [16:33] melvster: just now the phone has 15.04 with various backports in a special PPA [16:33] ah ok [16:33] melvster: I don't know if the 16.04 branch is even booting yet! [16:36] mcphail: thanks, that's great info. So there's an advantage to waiting, but maybe I [16:36] 'll order one anyway [16:37] melvster: I'm not sure there is an advantage to waiting. Development is very active on the 15.04 + PPA branch [16:38] melvster: I haven't heard how good (or bad) the tablet is, yet. So be aware you will be an "early adopter" ;) [16:39] mchphail: thanks, yes im used to living on the bleeding edge :P im pretty excited about where all this is at, I think I'll soon make the jump to becoming a developer on closely related projects. [16:39] melvster: Good. It is an easy platform to develop for. And they need as many hands helping out as possible [16:41] mchpail: it's a great positive community too, that's important. I'd like to bring closer together the best of the web and the best of ubuntu, so I think there's good overlap. [16:42] s/mchpail/mchphail [16:42] ha! [16:42] melvster: "tab" autocompletion for nicks works wonders [16:42] oh nice tip, thx! [16:42] ;) [17:16] mariogrip: hey. how is the battery fix coming? ready to put in rc-proposed for hammerhead? :) [17:19] melvster: the phone images don't follow the normal ubuntu release schedule. that it's currently built on 15.04 base doesn't have much meaning, as the kernel is from the android tree, not the ubuntu archive, and the phone images still receive necessary security updates and get the new phone features [17:50] I just got the tablet the day before yesterday, my first impressions are a mixed bag: The tablet is a bit slow. Youtube is not really usable, but great for browsing and stuff like that. The convergence is not really happening since the X11 programs don't play too well with external keyboards and actually developing _on_ the tablet seems somewhat ou [17:50] t of the question for now. [17:52] What's the issue with external keyboards and X11 apps? [17:52] That being said, the tablet shows a lot of promise. I'm nowhere near sorry I bought it, Just stick to the QML stuff and you'll be fine. And there is a lot of space to develop applications there. Qt is a really great framework and I'm super psyced that ubuntu seems to be chosing it over gtk [17:52] Whtas the issue with youtube ? [17:53] ogra_: it's too stuttery in playback to be enjoyable [17:53] troyready: probably AltGr for various layouts [17:53] troyready: I use a danish QWERTY keyboard but have set it up to be a danish dvorak, when I'm in an X11 app (at least libre office or firefox) it's suddenly qwerty again... [17:54] huh? [17:54] runs totally smooth here [17:54] how do you use it? [17:55] The console application is in mer, so I can't change the X11 keyboard using the terminal either and I can't install programs because the filesystem is read only (that will have to change soon) [17:55] ogra_: interesting; I tried a couple videos yesterday in the default browser and it was not great. I'll try rebooting it and see if its the same [17:55] X paps are more of a preview, don't expect much yet [17:55] *apps [17:55] PaulFraOSAA: you can't install programs in /. you can install apps in the libertine container though [17:55] silly autocomplete [17:56] ogra_: Both using the browser and the scene for youtube makes it run horribly slow. How did you use it? [17:56] in the browser app [17:56] On the plus side, I finally got an app for ello ;) [17:56] scene? scope? the scope just opens the browser afaik [17:57] dobey: yes, yes it does [17:57] apaudio is a little off, but I have no stuttering === xiinotulp is now known as plutoniix [18:04] Hey everyone, I just got my Bq tablet, but I'm unable to install any apps as I cannot log into Ubuntu One. It keeps saying "Network error - please retry." but Telegram and the browser work fine [18:08] ogra_: Just tried firefox to compare. It's just as laggy [18:10] SylvieLorxu: interesting. Can't offer any suggestions for help, sorry, but can say that it did work for me [18:11] I'm also wondering, is there any reason Firefox, GIMP and Xchat-GNOME are on the device seeing how they won't open the on-screen keyboard and thus are completely useless? [18:12] I guess perhaps if you have a bluetooth keyboard, but still, it feels... bad to have apps act like this in the default configuration [18:15] SylvieLorxu: Well they are trying to sell the "convergence" idea, so I don't think It's too bad to have it in the default install. Rather, they should have a seperate "folder/launcher" for the x stuff [18:15] SylvieLorxu: are you using turkish language for the device? [18:15] dobey: Nope, British English [18:16] hmm [18:20] SylvieLorxu: i suspect a typo in your password perhaps then, if not in your e-mail address [18:20] dobey: Already retyped it :( [18:20] SylvieLorxu: Didn't you enter that stuff during first boot? [18:20] But I'll do so again I guess [18:21] SylvieLorxu: or perhaps an issue with the account itself, can you log in at https://login.ubuntu.com/+applications ? [18:21] PaulFraOSAA: It never asked me during first boot, probably because I pressed skip after connecting to a wifi network because it didn't do anything after that [18:21] dobey: Actually, you're right [18:21] I typed my email wrong [18:22] What a stupid error message [18:22] SylvieLorxu: yes, the error message is due to a bug in qt; it's fixed in the next update [18:22] Yay \o/ [18:23] * PaulFraOSAA congratulates SylvieLorxu with his new tablet that can now get even more interesting stuff on it [18:23] ;) [18:24] s/his/her/ [18:24] But thanks :P [18:24] hi [18:24] I just bought an Ubuntu Table [18:24] Yay [18:24] sry [18:24] They sell tables too? ;) [18:24] is there a way to play videos ? [18:24] SylvieLorxu: x11 apps without a bt kb/mouse is a bit of a preview still; i think in an update or three there will be some better keyboard integration [18:24] yes [18:25] a bq [18:25] i know it's one of the things being worked on [18:25] I think you mean tablet :P [18:25] jeje [18:25] tablet [18:25] SylvieLorxu: No, some ppl are just accustomed to smaller tables;) [18:25] * mr_rcollins just unboxed his BQ M10... [18:26] min, video playback should just work [18:26] nim: I litterally just got mine, so no clue, but I have a guess it may be part of gallery because that's what Android always did [18:26] me too a bq m10 [18:26] err nim [18:26] First question: Why does that Today scope thingy only do landscape? [18:26] So, removed stupid Facebook bloat (thank God you can uninstall that) and installed Terminal [18:26] It is now officially better than Android [18:26] lol [18:26] mr_rcollins: Mine does portrait also [18:26] For my needs that is [18:27] must be DHL delivery hour in EU [18:27] * PaulFraOSAA agrees with SylvieLorxu wholeheartedly [18:27] Then again, lack of Dvorak is a HUGE disappointment [18:27] Hahaha it comes with vi [18:27] Oh my God this is heaven [18:27] I need to get myself a bluetooth keyboard [18:27] Hmm, mine doesn't want to switch. [18:28] I also have no keyboard in touch mode in Firefox, Xchat, Libreoffice... [18:28] SylvieLorxu: I don't really miss it, if you get an ext keyboard dvorak works a charm [18:28] SylvieLorxu: time to start filing bugs then ;) [18:28] Is there a way to make screenshots? [18:28] (exept if you need AltGr, then you are up sh** creek with no paddle) [18:28] ogra_: I actually already did :P [18:28] mr_rcollins: yeahm these apps are more in a preview state still [18:28] SylvieLorxu: vol up/dn simultaneously [18:29] Niiiice [18:29] Much better than on Android as well [18:29] mr_rcollins: also they are desktop apps ... they work fine with external kbd [18:29] Too bad. I am disappointed that I can't officially use apt-get. I need mosh, git, and tmux! [18:29] I threw caution to the window, mounted / rw and went to town anyway. :-) [18:29] use a chroot or libertine container [18:29] mr_rcollins: That was my first disappointment as well, It seems it's a "security feature" [18:30] mr_rcollins: you can do it in the libertine container, or make a chroot [18:30] dont make teh system rw [18:30] remounting / is bad [18:30] it will end in tears [18:30] I used apt-get, then mounted / ro. [18:30] yeah, next OTA will wipe that [18:30] but wont free up teh space [18:30] yeah, bad idea [18:30] ogra_, chroot work? [18:30] so you eventually run out of room [18:30] yeah [18:31] https://askubuntu.com/questions/620740/recommended-way-to-install-regularcli-deb-packages-on-ubuntu-phone/623311#623311 [18:31] chroot or create a libertine container [18:31] That's a good idea. [18:31] mr_rcollins: ^^ [18:31] * mr_rcollins is reading... [18:31] libertine is used to also run graphical apps (i,e, firefox) [18:31] libertine container is probably a better option on the tablet though [18:31] yeah [18:31] you just need to tinker a bit to create one [18:31] since you get a lot of nice integration already for it [18:32] I wish I could filter the Ubuntu store on only FOSS [18:32] teh container config is readonly ... needs to be writable [18:32] SylvieLorxu: the store doesn't really know anything about licenses [18:33] dobey: Except that it shows it on each app [18:33] ? [18:33] BTW what is this with a max SD card of 64GB, Is it a certain type or does it just not see the rest of the card or will it refuse to see it entirely? [18:33] Tap an app and on the right you'll see "License: GNU GPL v3" and so [18:33] Or otherwise "Proprietary" [18:33] So it definitely knows [18:33] Would it be recommended to create the chroot on an SD card? Then I can wipe the tablet if need be but keep my chroot. [18:33] PaulFraOSAA: it is the sfae value that was tested by bq ... [18:33] safe [18:34] doesnt mean that bigger ones dont work :) [18:34]