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| bluesabre | http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1496 | 03:20 |
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| flocculant | bluesabre: you preferred alleviate then :p | 07:11 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: your word was much too rich for my vocabulary | 10:02 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: :) | 11:09 |
| flocculant | I guess we should let people know about the gpg sig thing somehow | 11:10 |
| Nairwolf | hi ;) Have you some feedback about 16.04 ? | 19:03 |
| Nairwolf | What's next ? How can I be more involved ? | 19:10 |
| flocculant | Nairwolf: involved in what? | 19:11 |
| flocculant | not much will be going on for a bit | 19:13 |
| flocculant | if you want to be more involved in testing things - then I can help with that | 19:14 |
| Nairwolf | I would like to be more involved in development (and I think I will send soon an email to bluesabre about that), but today, I would like to know what would be the next things to do for Xubuntu | 19:14 |
| flocculant | for xubuntu today - nothing :) | 19:14 |
| Nairwolf | ok, but, I know usually soon after a release they are an Ubuntu summit with a lot of talks. Do you know when it is ? | 19:15 |
| flocculant | beginning of May I think | 19:15 |
| flocculant | don't much notice that tbh - we don't participate there | 19:16 |
| Nairwolf | yes, but that was like that I was informed about the snappy package when it was announced some time ago | 19:16 |
| flocculant | mmm | 19:17 |
| Nairwolf | it interesting some times to hear what would be the future for Ubuntu and others flavours | 19:17 |
| flocculant | :) | 19:17 |
| flocculant | 3rd to 5th May | 19:18 |
| Nairwolf | Thanks ;) | 19:25 |
| Nairwolf | So when you will need to do new testing ? | 19:31 |
| flocculant | Nairwolf: when there's something to test | 19:42 |
| Nairwolf | ok | 19:45 |
| Nairwolf | and are you planning some meetings with the Xubuntu team ? | 19:45 |
| flocculant | Nairwolf: they will be planned yes | 19:46 |
| flocculant | Nairwolf: not sure how we'll work QA this cycle just yet | 19:46 |
| flocculant | might not use package tracker | 19:47 |
| Nairwolf | oh, why ? | 19:47 |
| flocculant | might try and push using dev ppa's with xenial for longer | 19:47 |
| flocculant | might do all sorts of things | 19:47 |
| flocculant | we do that more for LTS than other versions | 19:47 |
| flocculant | anyway - all undecided at the moment | 19:48 |
| Nairwolf | ok | 19:49 |
| flocculant | hang about - check the mailing list :) | 19:50 |
| Nairwolf | I think it would be more efficient to know 'when' we can make package test. I suppose if there is a dev ppa, we can know when there is a new package version, and then report tests on bugtracker. | 19:50 |
| flocculant | well | 19:50 |
| Nairwolf | Maybe I wrong, but for this release, I thought there are several test report with different package version. | 19:51 |
| flocculant | that's exploratory testing - fancy name for using dev versions all the time | 19:51 |
| flocculant | anyway - been a long few days - not thinking about it currently :) | 19:51 |
| knome | if we knew when new package versions are released we'd be magicians | 19:52 |
| Nairwolf | yes, you should be tired. | 19:52 |
| flocculant | hi knome | 19:52 |
| knome | hello flocculant | 19:52 |
| Nairwolf | knome: my english is so bad... I didn't want to say that like that ! | 19:52 |
| Nairwolf | I wanted to say in this order : You see a new update of Orage for example, or Thunar, and you go report your tests on the bug tracker. | 19:53 |
| knome | but that's what you can do already | 19:53 |
| knome | by doing scheduled package testing sprints, we aren't encouraging anybody from testing those packages outside the sprints | 19:55 |
| knome | we are just making sure everything gets tested at all | 19:55 |
| Nairwolf | yes, but on http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/ you can't distinguish the version which is be tested | 19:55 |
| knome | no, but why should you? | 19:56 |
| Nairwolf | Maybe there is something I don't understand.... Look this page : http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/350/builds/105268/testcases/1559/results | 19:57 |
| Nairwolf | It's bug report for Catfish | 19:57 |
| knome | testcase, you mean | 19:57 |
| Nairwolf | But it's really difficult to to know if the first test report is for the same software version of the last test report | 19:57 |
| Nairwolf | (yes, testcase, sorry) | 19:57 |
| knome | explain me why that is important? | 19:58 |
| Nairwolf | At the beginning, just after a new release like 16.04, imagine a bug has been found on Catfish. Some testers report it on a testcase like that. | 19:59 |
| Nairwolf | Few months later, the bug is solved and corrected. It's really instersting to test catfish right now (in order to know if the bug is still present). | 19:59 |
| Nairwolf | some testers say "ok, the bug is solved, I can't reproduce the bug anymore, great job developpers ;)". But few days later, someone like me (probably a little bit stupid) who hasn't updated catfish could report the same bug already solved | 20:01 |
| Nairwolf | I hope it's clear... | 20:01 |
| knome | well, the last part isn't | 20:01 |
| knome | i mean i don't understand how it's a problem that the tracker doesn't show the version number | 20:02 |
| Nairwolf | oh, you right, this testcase is supposed to be used with the daily build, right ? | 20:02 |
| knome | indeed | 20:02 |
| Nairwolf | ok, I see | 20:03 |
| knome | what the tracker could actually do (ping flocculant) is to show a different icon for bugs that are "fix released" | 20:03 |
| knome | that would likely make it easier to browse the bugs that are supposed to happen still | 20:03 |
| Nairwolf | in this case, it would be interesting to be informed that there is a new version of package X and testers could be more focused on this package | 20:04 |
| Nairwolf | yes, you right knome ;) | 20:04 |
| knome | i agree that "new versions" aren't very visibly listed anywhere, but i think flocculant is doing a pretty good job of mentioning about worthwhile new versions | 20:05 |
| knome | it's not like it happens all the time and it slips from the team | 20:05 |
| knome | we usually have a good idea about new major versions, and they are communicated on the mailing list too | 20:05 |
| flocculant | knome: the tracker(s) do have a different colour for fixed bugs | 20:06 |
| knome | right... | 20:07 |
| knome | wasn't that critical/non-critical before? | 20:07 |
| Nairwolf | Oh, yes, I think flocculant is doing a good job, and I didn't want to critize him | 20:07 |
| flocculant | knome: slightly different issue there - doesn't matter *where* on any tracker a bug is listed - if it is Fixed, it's Gold(ish) | 20:08 |
| knome | ok | 20:08 |
| flocculant | both obviously | 20:08 |
| knome | :) | 20:08 |
| flocculant | all that aside - I'm not convinced yet that we'll be using package this cycle | 20:09 |
| knome | ackety ack | 20:09 |
| flocculant | if this cycle follows others then participation will be loooooow | 20:09 |
| flocculant | if it turns out it's not - we can boot package tracker up | 20:09 |
| knome | especially as it's lts+1.. | 20:09 |
| flocculant | yup | 20:09 |
| knome | you mean yuppety yup? | 20:10 |
| flocculant | :D | 20:10 |
| flocculant | frankly I think between now and the .04.1 and wherever we are with 16.10 - thunar will get the lion's share of testing ;) | 20:11 |
| Nairwolf | flocculant: why are you saying that participation will be looooooooow ? | 20:12 |
| flocculant | Nairwolf: because it's lts +1 | 20:12 |
| flocculant | experience tells us that testing wise - participation is low :) | 20:12 |
| Nairwolf | oh, I see. | 20:14 |
| Nairwolf | And how have you found partitipation for this lts in comparaison for last lts ? | 20:14 |
| flocculant | lower | 20:15 |
| flocculant | but run slightly differently | 20:15 |
| Nairwolf | oh really ? | 20:15 |
| flocculant | yep - really | 20:15 |
| knome | !yup | 20:15 |
| ubottu | yakkety yak, ackety ack, yuppety yup | 20:15 |
| knome | perfect | 20:15 |
| Unit193 | knome: Troll. :P | 20:15 |
| flocculant | that's going to get old pretty quickly :p | 20:15 |
| knome | Unit193, no, yak | 20:16 |
| knome | flocculant, the secret is to only call it once in a while | 20:16 |
| flocculant | :) | 20:17 |
| Unit193 | flocculant: You didn't jump to yukkety, right? | 20:17 |
| flocculant | Description:Ubuntu Yakkety Yak (development branch) | 20:18 |
| Unit193 | !info base-files | 20:18 |
| ubottu | base-files (source: base-files): Debian base system miscellaneous files. In component main, is required. Version 9.6ubuntu1 (yakkety), package size 67 kB, installed size 310 kB | 20:18 |
| flocculant | not that it's much yet :) | 20:18 |
| knome | only 310 kB of yak | 20:19 |
| flocculant | definitely no steak on the body | 20:20 |
| flocculant | btw - the basic of where I am with my thinking is at http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntuqa-y-cycle if anyone is interested | 20:24 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: especially perhaps you :) | 20:26 |
| knome | :D | 20:26 |
| Unit193 | slickymaster: A reminder to bump the docs. | 20:27 |
| * flocculant refuses user docs existence this cycle :p | 20:27 | |
| * slickymaster is having dinner at the moment. | 20:28 | |
| knome | slickymaster, you fat boy :P | 20:28 |
| slickymaster | thanks for leaving your message, we'll get back to you as soon as possibel | 20:28 |
| flocculant | knome: can't remember if I said this last night - or even before but ... | 20:28 |
| knome | flocculant, yes? :) | 20:29 |
| slickymaster | not I'm not | 20:29 |
| flocculant | in #xubuntu would it not be better to actually have the release note in the topic rather than the x.org thing? | 20:29 |
| knome | flocculant, but the x.org thing is more user-facing | 20:30 |
| flocculant | knome: but the release note is more supporty :) | 20:30 |
| knome | then it's wrongy :( | 20:30 |
| flocculant | anyway | 20:31 |
| flocculant | said it now | 20:31 |
| knome | yeah | 20:31 |
| knome | and heard | 20:31 |
| flocculant | shall forget it now :) | 20:32 |
| knome | lol | 20:32 |
| knome | wfm | 20:32 |
| * flocculant can't decide whether to put xubuntu on the little tv box and install znc on it or not | 20:32 | |
| knome | :D | 20:33 |
| knome | why not? | 20:33 |
| Unit193 | ZNC doesn't need xorg! | 20:33 |
| flocculant | Unit193: it might not - but it serves the tv too | 20:33 |
| flocculant | openelec atm | 20:33 |
| Unit193 | Kodi! | 20:34 |
| flocculant | is what it runs yes | 20:35 |
| flocculant | quite nice for what it is actually | 20:35 |
| slickymaster | knome, did you forget https://code.launchpad.net/~flocculant/xubuntu-docs/fixlink/+merge/291795 | 22:30 |
| slickymaster | ? | 22:30 |
| knome | likely so | 22:31 |
| knome | :P | 22:31 |
| slickymaster | do you want me to review it or will you? | 22:31 |
| knome | if you are motivated to merge it now, feel free to | 22:31 |
| slickymaster | ok | 22:32 |
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