[00:48] <pauljw> no go Bashing-om, vlc opens and immediately crashes.
[00:49] <daftykins> :O
[00:49] <daftykins> tried running vlc from a terminal to see if it spits out any output?
[00:49] <daftykins> i don't know if that's how it works mind, i don't use it over in Windows land
[00:51] <Bashing-om> pauljw: Yuk ! Sorry no experience with VLC .
[00:51] <pauljw> daftykins,   yeah, and it spit out quite a bit.
[00:51] <daftykins> :D
[00:52] <tsimonq2> !info vrms yakkety
[00:52] <tsimonq2> gosh darnit
[00:52]  * tsimonq2 finds the source code for the bot
[00:52] <daftykins> surely you need someone else to hassle the bots :)
[00:53] <tsimonq2> how so?
[00:53] <tsimonq2> I clone the thing, grep for the distros listed above, then add it
[00:53] <daftykins> nevermind.
[00:54] <tsimonq2> :)
[00:54] <daftykins> i thought you were talking about modifying the actual one
[00:54] <pauljw> Bashing-om, daftykins it's looking for nvidia stuff and my system is intel, but most of this is probably due to being a vm.  will have to pick at for a while and see what i can come up with.
[00:54] <daftykins> pauljw: hmm, "dpkg -l | grep nvidia" should return nothing?
[00:56] <daftykins> i guess it (VLC) could be trying to use a bad renderer
[00:56] <pauljw> that's what it returns, nothing
[00:56] <daftykins> good good, no irrelevant packages present
[00:57] <TJ-> pauljw: are you talking about 'vlc' output in terminal?
[00:57] <pauljw> virtualbox driver may not be up to the task
[00:57] <pauljw> TJ-, yeah
[00:58] <daftykins> are you mounting a real DVD drive to the VM and trying to play it? can't think of an issue there
[00:58] <TJ-> pauljw: as I recall, vlc does a dynamic scan for libraries that support VDPAU, OPENGL, etc., so warnings are fine.
[00:58] <pauljw> yes, using the host dvd
[00:59] <TJ-> pauljw: if the libraries aren't there because the hardware is different, the warning is just saying that it didn't find it
[00:59] <pauljw> libvdpau is in the output
[00:59] <pauljw> ok
[00:59] <daftykins> ah probably just looking for nvidia to enable VDPAU or such like
[00:59] <daftykins> ;D
[01:00] <TJ-> yeah, libvdpau and libvaapi I think it checks for
[01:00] <pauljw> but i'm getting this at the end of the terminal output:  xcb_xv vout display error: no available XVideo adaptor
[01:00] <pauljw> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[01:02] <daftykins> oh that might just need the prog run in the terminal with an X viewport so it knows where to run? TJ- will know how ;D
[01:02] <TJ-> pauljw: right, that's due to there being no suitable X output device
[01:02] <tsimonq2> daftykins: it has to be server-side, asked in #ubuntu-irc and I was pointed to the right person :)
[01:03] <daftykins> tsimonq2: i didn't need that info
[01:03] <TJ-> pauljw: are you using an X terminal to start vlc (which you should do), or using a plain VT console (outside of X) ?
[01:03] <tsimonq2> daftykins: FWIW I thought I would let you know, sorry :P
[01:04] <pauljw> TJ-, just opening a terminal window and running it
[01:32] <pauljw> TJ-, well, i switched gears and went with videos and after it installed a bunch of gstreamer stuff, it's now playing 'Star Trek' quite nicely...
[01:36] <Bashing-om> pauljw: When you are good, yopu are good :)
[01:37] <pauljw> heheh, well, i wouldn't say i'm good, persistent perhaps.  :)
[01:38] <pauljw> hope TJ- isn't sitting in a dark corner somewhere trying to figure out my non-issue... :(
[01:39] <Bashing-om> do not think that TJ- Is ever in the dark .
[01:40] <pauljw> true that!
[01:41] <Bashing-om> he reads the source, Luke .
[01:41] <pauljw> lol
[01:46] <TJ-> ha! I'm about to crawl into the dark, under the doooooveeet
[01:46] <TJ-> just realised that since installing on the T300chi, it no longer has touchscreen (but did with the ISO Live)!
[01:47] <pauljw> :)
[01:48] <pauljw> you have a good night and maybe i'll see ya tomorrow.  i'm outta here too.
[05:06] <lotuspsychje> good weekend to all
[05:21] <lotuspsychje> morning davido
[09:16] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[09:16] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^ morning mate
[09:16] <EriC^^> morning :D
[10:20] <lotuspsychje> morning TJ-
[10:20] <TJ-> hiya
[10:24] <TJ-> did you install 1604 from the Live ISO?
[10:24] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: no upgraded the daily why?
[10:24] <TJ-> I've been sorting out the issues on the T300chi and jsut noticed its left 'casper' installed :s
[10:24] <lotuspsychje> me and blueskaj had final, before final went out officially :p
[10:24] <TJ-> !info casper
[10:25] <lotuspsychje> by updating it daily
[10:25] <TJ-> That's the package that runs the Live env, no need for it on an installed system
[10:27] <TJ-> This stupid Asus has real hot-key input problems. The Fn+F5-F7 that control the backlight brightness aren't linking to the actual brightness control. I've been checking their key codes with 'evtest' and they're generating EV_REL (relative i.e. touchpad) events with the sub-type REL_MISC (miscellaneous I guess) so nothing recognises them
[10:28] <lotuspsychje> weird
[10:32] <TJ-> yeah, the vol-down/up/mute work fine generating 'proper' keyboard events, but those 3 and a couple others generate some weird events
[11:38] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:38] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj :p
[11:38] <BluesKaj> hey lotuspsychje
[11:38] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: im testing some snap stuff :p
[11:40] <BluesKaj> dunno why I'd use snappy
[11:40] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: could be usefull for tablets on unity8
[11:57] <BluesKaj> well, it's an ubuntu thing which seems to be taking ubuntu away from the dpkg and deb repos
[11:58] <lotuspsychje> surely alot of stuff happening
[12:10] <TJ-> it's a good idea from the point of view that users can install the very latest versions of an application, along with dependencies that may be newer than the system libraries, and its all self-contained and doesn't affect the rest of the system
[12:10] <TJ-> It's a 'wrapper' around the application containers concept basically
[12:11] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: well at the start of ubuntu-touch, i found it pitty i could not get like nmap on terminal apps
[12:11] <lotuspsychje> now this all we be possible
[12:12] <TJ-> I've not touched ubunt-touch... although just this minute discovered all its package names whilst trying to get touchscreen gesture support working on the t300chi
[12:12] <TJ-> thought i'd found a solution until I realised there were far too many packages named 'touch' for that to be the solution for me :D
[12:12] <lotuspsychje> well unity8 is comming to all of us in the future
[12:14] <lotuspsychje> hi pauljw
[12:14] <pauljw> hey lotuspsychje
[12:14] <pauljw> everyone
[12:22] <BluesKaj> hey pauljw
[12:22] <pauljw> mornin' BluesKaj
[12:22] <lotuspsychje> oh man...what an upgrade nightmare we having in main
[12:22] <pauljw> sure is lotuspsychje
[12:23] <lotuspsychje> lets hope nobody will choose non-lts anymore lol
[12:23] <BluesKaj> what's up this morning, pauljw?
[12:24] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, really? what 's the nightmare?
[12:24] <pauljw> not much here, i've only been up for an hour and on my second cup of coffee so the world is still a blur... :)
[12:24] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: alot of different stuff from wily ==> xenial upgrades
[12:25] <BluesKaj> yeah, same here, my allergies are acting up so it takes my eyes a while to gain focus after getting up...strange but true.
[12:25] <pauljw> :)
[12:26] <TJ-> if you watch the -devel channel over the dev cycle you'll see there's not much attention paid to anything desktop related. It's all core, server, cloud, touch
[12:26] <pauljw> ouch TJ-
[12:26] <TJ-> been like that for the last 3 releases
[12:27] <TJ-> and as canonical pays the devs and those are where the money is, thats what gets the focus
[12:27] <TJ-> the desktop was just the publicity front-end to get the brand well known and get people to adopt ubuntu for other uses, which is why server is now so predominent
[12:27] <BluesKaj> TJ-, then it's not my cuppa tea ...ubuntu going in a very different direction than kubuntu
[12:28] <pauljw> pity because it's the lowly enduser that will give the distro bad reviews
[12:28] <TJ-> non paying end-users don't pay for a staff of ~500
[12:28] <TJ-> the money is in server/cloud support
[12:28] <pauljw> very true
[12:28] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: thats the beauty of flavors, diversity
[12:29] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: but under the hood we all 16.04 right
[12:29] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: until the 'core' decisions break the flavours, as has happened quite a bit. things like changing underlying libraries to suit Unity and breaking KDE services
[12:29] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: can you test snap find from terminal?
[12:31] <BluesKaj> ubuntu is definitely going down the enterprise road
[12:31] <TJ-> for kubuntu that doesn't help at all since kubuntu's packaging stance is only to ship the vanilla upstream code, without kubuntu-specific patches, so there's no procedure to workaround such things
[12:31] <lotuspsychje> well i better trust ubuntu, then MS for it
[12:32] <lotuspsychje> so many different distro's found their way into something else
[12:33] <pauljw> what they usually find is that free doesn't pay the bills
[12:33] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, don't think I'm going to install snappy
[12:34] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: you dont need to, its already part of 16.04
[12:34] <lotuspsychje> try snap find
[12:34] <BluesKaj> ubuntu-core-snappy is not installed here
[12:34] <lotuspsychje> ah
[12:34] <lotuspsychje> kk
[12:36] <lotuspsychje> !info ubuntu-core-snappy
[12:42] <BluesKaj> !snappy
[12:44] <lotuspsychje> !info snap
[12:44] <lotuspsychje> extra
[12:45] <BluesKaj> snap is different , snappy is the word
[12:47] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: not installed by default on kde?
[12:47] <BluesKaj> nope
[12:47] <lotuspsychje> it is on desktop
[12:50]  * lotuspsychje needs a big coffee
[12:51] <BluesKaj> the application called "snappy" as a single word is a media player
[12:51] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[12:52] <lotuspsychje> snappy player
[12:54] <BluesKaj> the devs should have researched the name choices before deciding
[12:54] <cfhowlett> bdfl does the naming
[12:54] <BluesKaj> snappy sounds lightweight for such an important change
[12:55] <cfhowlett> oh, wait, maybe that's distro only
[12:57] <lotuspsychje> https://linux.slashdot.org/story/16/04/22/0448222/turns-out-that-snaps-are-not-secure-in-ubuntu-with-x11
[13:24] <lotuspsychje> wb
[13:34] <BluesKaj> desktop froze, FF is still leaking memory ..the API for amd cpus is a problem as wel
[13:34] <lotuspsychje> oO
[13:35] <BluesKaj> no problem on my intel cpu laptop
[13:35] <BluesKaj> with 16.04
[13:49] <lotuspsychje> wb
[13:49] <EriC^^> thanks
[14:02] <lotuspsychje> hi baizon
[14:03] <baizon> yo yo yo lotuspsychje
[14:03] <lotuspsychje> hard day work, while we on irc drinking coktails? :p:p
[14:33] <lotuspsychje> bbl guys going for shaorma and movies after
[14:34] <EriC^^> haha
[14:34] <EriC^^> sahtein
[14:34] <EriC^^> (bon apetite in lebanese)
[14:34] <lotuspsychje> mmmmmm
[14:34] <lotuspsychje> with extra strong sauce
[14:34] <EriC^^> :D
[14:35]  * lotuspsychje likes spicy
[14:36] <pauljw> later lotuspsychje
[14:36] <lotuspsychje> laterz
[15:17] <ldsh> Hi, I was wondering, couldn't it be possible to ease the deployment (and reduce costs) of updates and upgrades by merging the good bandwidth of the depots servers and technologies like torrents?
[15:20] <ldsh> I've already done the upgrade to xenial on one of my computer, and I'm doing it on a second computer now. With a torrent like technology, it would be possible to have a direct transfert (by local network) of files that are common to theses two upgrades, thus saving costly bandwidth for Canonical and a way faster download for me.
[15:26] <OerHeks> ldsh, something like this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Rsyncmirror
[15:26] <BluesKaj> id just use the closest mirror to your location
[15:26] <BluesKaj> ldsh,^
[15:29] <BluesKaj> OerHeks, does the ubuntu package manager gui have a " find fastest mirror" option available , muon on kde does.
[15:29] <ldsh> The idea would be a more automated way, this would work for any update/upgrades, with a temporary saving of the files on the personal computers. The main goal would be to use the power of torrents to boost the bandwidth on the few days after an update/upgrade realease.
[15:30] <OerHeks> BluesKaj, it does, i am still on 15.10, seeding http://i.imgur.com/cdkQAHV.png
[15:30] <OerHeks> :-D
[15:31] <BluesKaj> OerHeks, you're a good linux cictizen :-)
[15:31] <BluesKaj> citizen even
[15:31] <ldsh> That way would also speed up the first update (I currently have 100Mbit connection), than allows to feed to all the others wanting to update (I have 100mbit on upload too).
[15:32] <OerHeks> FUP fair use policy, so i guess i can give it away, at least over this weekend
[15:33] <BluesKaj> ldsh, no data cap ?
[15:36] <ldsh> BluesKaj, Not that I heard about. It won't last however as I'm here only for 3 more month.
[15:37] <BluesKaj> ldsh, ok
[15:41] <ldsh> So, what do you think of this idea to use torrent technology to ease deployment of updates?
[15:41] <cfhowlett> ldsh, standard and preferred practice
[15:42] <cfhowlett> or you could set up a custom mirror and deploy the upgrades via netboot setup
[15:47] <ldsh> cfhowlett, sorry, I don't understand what you mean by your first sentence (there is no verb, I understand the words, but not your meaning).
[15:48] <cfhowlett> to upgrade multiple systems without repeatedly downloading 16.04, you have a couple of options
[15:49] <cfhowlett> set up a personal software mirror or
[15:49] <cfhowlett> use the netboot method to install to multiple machines simulataneously
[15:49] <cfhowlett> !netboot
[15:50] <ldsh> cfhowlett, This is not exactly the purpose of the idea I try to express here (maybe I'm not expressing myself well enough).
[15:50] <cfhowlett> ldsh, eh, ignore me then.
[15:51] <ldsh> The idea is to have a system that would ease the deployment of updates (particularly upgrades), to every ubuntu users, and automatically. Not a specific action for a particular user.
[15:53] <ldsh> Basically, on the user side, an option at first install asking if you agree to participate seeding, and a bandwidth cap. Than, the update manager would handle everything automatically.
[15:53] <ldsh> then*
[15:58] <pauljw> wb
[15:59] <BluesKaj> thanks pauljw
[15:59] <pauljw> :)
[16:00] <BluesKaj> trying to track down a serious memory leak
[16:00] <pauljw> ooh, not good
[17:33] <pauljw> hi Bashing-om
[17:35] <Bashing-om> Hry hey .. looks like the fang is all here . less TJ- .
[17:38] <nicomachus> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/yakkety/
[17:38] <nicomachus> already out. wow.
[17:39] <pauljw> nice nico
[17:39] <pauljw> have you installed it yet?
[17:47] <BluesKaj> I changed my sources.list with sed to yakkety from xenial and ran an upgrade, surprised that 7 packages showed up. That was yesterday..today I had 5 more, so I changed my hostname too.
[17:48] <BluesKaj> 19 more jusat showed up now
[17:51] <pauljw> :)
[17:55] <BluesKaj> going to keep Xenial on the laptop tho, at least for now
[19:32] <Cedara> the .1 release would be out in July, right?
[19:32] <Cedara> hi, btw
[20:13] <Bashing-om> Cedara: Yeah .. Per the release notes .