[00:08] <Acou_Bass> im in no rush to see libertine - but its definitely a piece of the puzzle that interests me a lot :D
[09:28] <peat-psuwit> What happens with "CyanogenMod/android_external_koush_Superuser" repo on code-review? It's referenced in phablet-4.4.2_r1's manifest.
[09:42] <lotuspsychje> mcphail: did you find this one? https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/desktop/get-started/
[09:43] <mcphail> lotuspsychje: ta. Hadn't seen thath one. So it _does_ seem to install from the store. WOnder why it wouldn't work for owncloud...
[09:44] <lotuspsychje> not sure
[09:45] <mcphail> Aargh - 64MB for the calculator app, then it also downloads the whole 120MB of snappy-core!!. That wasn't what I was expecting...
[09:46] <lotuspsychje> lol
[09:46] <mcphail> Not really native. I already had snappy core running in a vm
[09:47] <lotuspsychje> mcphail: but it explains, users will be able to install via ubuntu-software
[09:47] <lotuspsychje> mcphail: so i guess when a dev adds a snap, users will see it in their software center?
[09:48] <mcphail> lotuspsychje: looks as if it will be a "post 16.04 upgrade"
[09:48] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[09:49] <mcphail> Aaaand launching teh calculator just gives me libgl errors. :(
[09:49] <lotuspsychje> lotuspsychje@R00TBOOK:~$ snap find calculator
[09:49] <lotuspsychje> error: no snaps found for "calculator"
[09:49] <lotuspsychje> hmmz
[09:53] <mcphail> Clearly not ready for primetime
[09:54] <lotuspsychje> mcphail: also installing calculator
[09:54] <lotuspsychje> lets c what happens
[09:55] <lotuspsychje> error: cannot perform the following tasks:
[09:55] <lotuspsychje> - Download snap "ubuntu-calculator-app.ubuntucoredev" from channel "stable" (snap not found)
[09:55] <lotuspsychje> oO
[09:56] <mcphail> It is becoming easier to keep my excitement in check about this feature
[09:56] <lotuspsychje> :p
[10:12] <lotuspsychje> mcphail: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/build-apps/
[10:13] <lotuspsychje> mcphail: would owncloud fit in 'common repos'?
[10:16] <mcphail> lotuspsychje: the whole thing about owncloud is it doesn't really "fit" in the common repos, and the maintainers have asked Ubuntu to remove it. There is a snap (which can be installed in snappy core) which is a bit out of date. But the maintainer is a canonical chap and the github page suggests it should work better in 16.04
[10:16] <lotuspsychje> aha
[10:17] <mcphail> lotuspsychje: gtg - popping into work for a while
[10:17] <lotuspsychje> mcphail: found somehting
[10:17] <lotuspsychje> mcphail: sudo snap find
[10:17] <lotuspsychje> mcphail: https://utappia.org/2016/04/22/how-to-search-install-remove-snap-packages-in-ubuntu/
[10:17] <lotuspsychje> check it when your back :p
[10:18] <mcphail> lotuspsychje: ta! Will have a look
[10:20] <lotuspsychje> mcphail: yay! sudo snap install nmap worked!
[10:22] <o2IRC> hello
[10:23] <o2IRC> im curious if anyone here knows if it's possible to dual-boot the coming meizu pro 5 with android for use of specific apps?
[10:25] <o2IRC> also curious on the whole scopes thing, is there even a terminal in the OS?
[10:35] <o2IRC> hello?
[10:35] <lotuspsychje> !patience | o2IRC
[11:30] <saavento> Hello
[11:31] <lotuspsychje> o2IRC: there are rom managers that can dualboot android and ubuntu-touch yes
[11:31] <saavento> I have little information about the release of the OTA 11
[11:32] <lotuspsychje> o2IRC: and yes ubunt touch has a terminal
[11:33] <saavento> Anyone knows any estimated time?
[11:36] <lotuspsychje> saavento: are you missing something important?
[11:39] <saavento> Media streaming player
[11:39] <saavento> :)
[11:39] <lotuspsychje> saavento: perhaps you can find that request already in the bug url list?
[11:41] <saavento> Yes, meanwhile I think I will try the libertine
[11:42] <saavento> libertine is like containers, right?
[11:42] <lotuspsychje> didnt test yet
[11:42] <saavento> Ok
[11:56] <dobey> o2IRC: terminal app in the store. i don't know if dual boot is possible on the pro5
[12:04] <o2IRC> thanks for answering, dobey! i think i will ask about the dual-boot in the forums
[12:18] <SylvieLorxu> How do I get rid of all these useless bloatscapes like 7digital, Amazon, BBC Sport, Etsy, etc.? I could remove some from the Ubuntu Store but, unlike apps, long-pressing them doesn't show their store entry with an "Uninstall" button
[12:19] <lotuspsychje> SylvieLorxu: search for scopes on the ubuntu store and uninstall
[12:20] <lotuspsychje> SylvieLorxu: but not all of them you can uninstall
[12:20] <Acou_Bass> do not all of them have the uninstall option in the store? thats weird
[12:21] <lotuspsychje> Acou_Bass: no, ive tested that and some are hardcore
[12:21] <lotuspsychje> Acou_Bass: perhaps their part of anothr app/scope
[12:21] <Acou_Bass> not usually - 7digital is its own scope but is able to automagic into the music scope
[12:21] <Acou_Bass> i was gonna suggest doing it via pkgcon in terminal... but not sure if thatll work if theyre installed in the rootfs
[12:23] <SylvieLorxu> lotuspsychje: Well, that's, that's a semi-acceptable workaround
[12:23] <SylvieLorxu> Thanks
[12:23] <lotuspsychje> SylvieLorxu: the scopes you dont like, just disable with the *
[12:24] <lotuspsychje> SylvieLorxu: they will sit and do nothing at bottom right
[12:24] <SylvieLorxu> lotuspsychje: I don't like just disabling things, I want to actually delete them. Like Facebook Photos Scope, screw that :D
[12:24] <SylvieLorxu> I wish Ubuntu Touch came with less proprietary bloat, but at least you can remove it, unlike most Android devices
[12:25] <SylvieLorxu> So meh, it's ~okay
[12:25] <lotuspsychje> SylvieLorxu: do you have main FB app installed?
[12:25] <SylvieLorxu> Nope, removed that too
[12:25] <SylvieLorxu> But the Facebook Photes scope stuck around, only the main Facebook scope disappeared
[12:25] <baum> dobey: ^ this was my point yesterday.
[12:25] <lotuspsychje> SylvieLorxu: yeah noticed that on some scopes myself, its true
[12:25] <Acou_Bass> i didnt know there was a facebook scope aside from the photos one, unless you mean the bundled webapp
[12:26] <SylvieLorxu> Acou_Bass: https://uappexplorer.com/app/com.canonical.scopes.fbphotos
[12:26] <baum> i want to decide on my own what to install, not buy a tablet with opt-out advertisment
[12:26] <lotuspsychje> Acou_Bass: some apps, come with a default scope
[12:27] <SylvieLorxu> baum: Same, but hey, at least it's opt-out unlike on Android
[12:27] <Acou_Bass> ive not got a facebook scope, only the photos one
[12:27] <Acou_Bass> id love a facebook scope, does it show the newsfeed and everything? :O
[12:27] <baum> SylvieLorxu: i'd rather compare the system to sailfish - and on sailfish that stuff is opt-in
[12:28] <Acou_Bass> im still trying to decide whether i want my eggs in the ubuntu touch, or sailfish basket
[12:28] <SylvieLorxu> I'm honestly surprised hom many of Ubuntu's apps are proprietary
[12:29] <Acou_Bass> i tried sailfish and its probably the nicest mobile OS ive used in a long time - however, ubuntu has the 'pocket PC' style to it which im hugely in favour of
[12:29] <SylvieLorxu> Like "Tasks". Of all things, these simple things become proprietary?
[12:29] <SylvieLorxu> Also, basically every scope it seems
[12:30] <baum> Acou_Bass: i'm running Sailfish as my main phone for about 2 years now - quite happy. i'm sure it could be better, but it does what it's supposed to :)
[12:31] <Acou_Bass> yeah i ran it for a couple of months before i jumped to ubuntu
[12:31] <Acou_Bass> i was REALLY happy with it, even using it on a completely unsupported phone using a slightly hacked-together build
[12:31] <Acou_Bass> as a long-term n900 user it felt good to be 'home' :D
[12:31] <baum> guess if mine would break i'd get a fairphone&sailfish
[12:32] <Acou_Bass> but, one of the things i loved about the n900 was the ability to run 'real' desktop linux programs on it, which is something i like about ubuntu touch
[12:33] <Acou_Bass> so... its sort of... better, slicker, more polished OS, vs. desktop apps and convergence potential... and right now im going for ubuntu but that could change in future ;D
[12:33] <baum> heh i see, just ordered a tablet yesterday night, kinda curiouse about the system
[12:34] <SylvieLorxu> Whaaat
[12:34] <SylvieLorxu> I can't remove 7digital? :(
[12:34] <Acou_Bass> ive unfortunately found ubuntu to be a bit less performant than sailfish, in the UI anyway
[12:34] <Acou_Bass> it has that 'old android versions that were slightly stuttery' feel to it
[12:35] <baum> on which hardware?
[12:35] <Acou_Bass> im using a nexus 4
[12:35] <Acou_Bass> and considering i ran sailfish on a ZTE open C which is a firefoxOS device and therefore slow as F, i sort of expected ubuntu to run beter than that :P
[12:35] <lotuspsychje> SylvieLorxu: look for an existing bug @ the bug filling url in topic
[12:35] <lotuspsychje> SylvieLorxu: if you dont find one, file a new bug
[12:36] <SylvieLorxu> lotuspsychje: I hove no clue where it should even go
[12:37] <lotuspsychje> SylvieLorxu: search for existing ones about scopes
[12:38] <baum> Acou_Bass: you just made me wonder wether the tablet will be lagfree =/
[12:39] <SylvieLorxu> lotuspsychje: I have no clue which of these are even relevant: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Avengers#Scopes
[12:40] <mcphail> Acou_Bass: there is a big issue with the Ubuntu QML components being slow and unoptimised. Apps which don't use the Ubuntu components run much better. I understand a lot of work is being done to make the Ubuntu components better. Hopefully they can squash the lag in opening new apps
[12:44] <mr_rcollins> My biggest issue is that lousy Today scope stuck in landscape. Annoying. :-)
[12:44] <mr_rcollins> Oh, and that the login screen doesn't rotate.
[12:45] <lotuspsychje> SylvieLorxu: not sure wich category myself
[12:57] <Patrick--> My BQ M10 arrived yesterday and I am finding quite a few issues. Is anyone else having issues with rotation, where I am unable to rotate the device sometimes.  I have had it in a state where I can have it any direction except with the camera at the top
[12:59] <mr_rcollins> The today scope forces landscape
[12:59] <mr_rcollins> Which is a pain
[13:01] <mr_rcollins> start thebrowser and see if it rotates
[13:02] <Patrick--> It didn't rotate on me
[13:06] <Patrick--> I just was testing with the browser, I rotate into portrait and it goes right away. I turn it back into landscape and it doesn't change until I shake the device
[13:08] <mr_rcollins> That's weird. Did you update and restart?
[13:08] <Patrick--> Yep
[13:10] <mr_rcollins> Maybe someone knows how to check the sensor?
[13:21] <Acou_Bass> mcphail: like i said, im not overly bothered about the lag, its just something to consider :P i understand as a relatively early adopter im buying into something that might not necessarily be perfect right now ;D
[13:27] <baum> did anyone try to install an alternate window manager like i3wm or xmonad on the tablet yet?
[13:28] <Acou_Bass> there was a video a while ago of XFCE running on it (not on the tablet, but on utouch)
[13:34] <baum> nice
[13:44] <Acou_Bass> Gotta love enlightenments weird bugs
[13:44] <lotuspsychje> lol
[13:45] <lotuspsychje> Acou_Bass: testing on xenial?
[13:45] <Acou_Bass> Apparently pressing the letter P causes the wm to crash
[13:45] <lotuspsychje> lol
[13:45] <Acou_Bass> No, on arch Linux
[13:45] <lotuspsychje> ah
[13:45] <lotuspsychje> Acou_Bass: i tested it last year on 14.04, crashed on me aswell for no reason
[13:46] <Acou_Bass> I'm running latest -git code so yrah bugs galore
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> hehe
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> i always loved enlightment
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> weird dark desktop :p
[13:50] <Acou_Bass> yeah me too
[13:50] <Acou_Bass> but recent versions have felt more like suicide than a nice desktop experience which is a shame because it has some amazing features other desktops mis
[13:51] <lotuspsychje> lol
[13:52] <Acou_Bass> it seems to be the only floating WM that has per-monitor workspaces, which i am inhumanly addited to
[13:53] <lotuspsychje> yeah thats nice
[13:59] <mr_rcollins>  I didn't know that! I've been spoiled with that under os x.
[13:59] <lotuspsychje> mr_rcollins: what enlightment?
[14:00] <mr_rcollins> Yeah. I've never played with it
[14:00] <lotuspsychje> !info e17
[14:05] <Acou_Bass> e17 is wayyyy old
[14:05] <Acou_Bass> ere up to e21 now
[14:06] <Acou_Bass> n fact e17 even has the token fork from dudes who want 'the good old days'
[14:06] <lotuspsychje> Acou_Bass: but thats with ppa?
[14:06] <Acou_Bass> not sure... i dont run ubuntu on desktop so ive not a clue about things like that
[14:06] <Acou_Bass> i would assume so though
[14:06] <lotuspsychje> !info e21
[14:06] <Acou_Bass> !info enlightenment
[14:06] <Acou_Bass> !info e20
[14:06] <Acou_Bass> hmm
[14:06] <Acou_Bass> e21 is still alpha so if anything its probably 20.6 thatd be available
[14:07] <lotuspsychje> i dont think ubuntu repos got latest
[14:08] <Acou_Bass> ahhh yeah theres a PPA
[14:10] <Acou_Bass> https://www.enlightenment.org/distros/ubuntu-start
[14:10] <Acou_Bass> ahh well i need to hop back away from E, its still got the same old performance issues ;( shame
[14:10] <Guest22379> I tried following the instructions on the wiki for getting the dev environment going, however I'm trying it on Xenial and there is no mingw32, is it importantM
[14:10] <lotuspsychje> Acou_Bass: wasnt there a distro with built in enlightment also?
[14:10] <lotuspsychje> elive or so?
[14:12] <Acou_Bass> Bodhi is the big one
[14:12] <lotuspsychje> ah
[14:12] <Acou_Bass> There use to be an arch spin with it too
[14:13] <lotuspsychje> zenwalk?
[14:13] <Acou_Bass> Bodhi are the guys doing the e17 fork too
[14:13] <Acou_Bass> Dunno if it was zenwalk? Don't remember hehe
[14:15] <Acou_Bass> Problem is enlightenment is a fast moving target, if yyou find a bug their usual answer is 'use git build, won't fix in stable '
[14:15] <lotuspsychje> http://jeffhoogland.blogspot.be/2010/12/ten-linux-distros-that-use.html
[14:16] <Acou_Bass> So distro packagers hate it hehe
[14:16] <lotuspsychje> hehe
[14:17] <mr_rcollins> What are the US people using to charge the M10?
[14:18] <mr_rcollins> Mine was on a 2amp charger all night and only brought the charge up 18%.
[14:18] <Acou_Bass> 0,o
[14:19] <Acou_Bass> Isn't there a us specific charger?
[14:36] <dobey> hmm
[14:37] <dobey> loicm: 7digital not being uninstallable isn't a bug. it's not a scope that's installed on the phone. it's a remote scope that's running on the server
[14:39] <dobey> err
[14:39] <dobey> that wasn't for loicm
[14:46] <dobey> oh well
[14:59] <mr_rcollins> About bass, I haven't heard of anyone getting one. Mine is European.
[15:25] <melvster> hi all ive been trying to update my nexus4 over the air but no luck for a day -- can I do it via usb cable and something like ADB?
[15:26] <melvster> i have ubuntu-device-flash installed too
[15:29] <melvster> hmmm
[15:29] <melvster>  adb shell system-image-cli -i current build number: 243 device name: mako channel: ubuntu-touch/devel alias: ubuntu-touch/utopic last update: 1970-01-01 04:20:04
[15:32] <melvster> Can I just do : ubuntu-device-flash touch
[15:40] <melvster> ro.build.version.incremental=20140902-2009-0ubuntu1 ro.build.version.sdk=19 ro.build.version.codename=REL ro.build.version.release=4.4.2 ro.build.date=Tue Sep  2 23:13:06 UTC 2014
[15:51] <melvster> ubuntu-device-flash touch # worked! :)
[15:53] <melvster> hmm it keeps cycling between the apps page and the scopes whirligig ...
[16:00] <melvster> restarted it, now it shows the ubuntu screen with 5 red dots (so far for about 5 minutes)
[16:11] <melvster> 15 minutes now ... adb shell works tho
[16:11] <melvster> Binder_2 and mediascann+ are hitting the CPU on top
[16:14] <mcphail> melvster: if you're using the "devel" channel, don't expect it to boot. That's the "16.04" issue we talked about yesterday. If you want a cuuting-edge channel which works, use rc-proposed
[16:15] <melvster> mcphail: It was working for a bit but only when i restarted it did it not boot.  I dont think i set 'devel' -- I left it blank, which I read means it used 'stable'?
[16:16] <melvster> i had to restart it because it kept switching between the app home screen and scopes splash
[16:16] <melvster> I've backed up the data now.  Maybe I can just start from scratch?
[16:17] <mcphail> melvster: something you posted earlier had "channel: ubuntu-touch/devel"
[16:18] <melvster> mchphail: ah ... that was from the debug of adb shell system-image-cli ... so maybe I put devel on it ages ago, good spot!
[16:19] <melvster> so shall I just do : ubuntu-device-flash touch CHANNEL=stable ?
[16:19] <mcphail> melvster: stable or rc-proposed
[16:19] <mcphail> melvster: I can't rememebr the exact syntax
[16:21] <melvster> thanks ill copy from the wiki page I Think its: ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel=stable or --channel=ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu
[16:21] <melvster> 2nd one
[16:22] <mcphail> melvster: there's certainly a command to list the available channels, and you can then paste the text
[16:23] <mcphail> melvster: and there's also the branded channels, which are stable+goodies from the bq phones (such as semi-working gps and extra scopes)
[16:23] <melvster> oh great!
[16:25] <melvster> mchphail: well ive flashed stable to the phone, again its stuck on the boot screen with ubuntu this time a red bar underneath half full
[16:26] <melvster> unxz is running when i adb shell into the device
[16:26] <melvster> re channels on the wiki https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/phone/devices/image-channels/ it says : Nexus 4	 ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu
[16:27] <mcphail> melvster: if it is the first boot after a flash, gove it a while to unpack
[16:27] <melvster> ok, actually the bar did just move! :)
[16:28] <mcphail> :)
[16:28] <melvster> side question: can I run a nodejs server on this device?  e.g. with npm install then run it via adb shell?
[16:31] <mcphail> I haven't tried. Most things _can_ be done, depending on whether you're happy making the root filesystem writable and accepting any breakage which occurs. An alternative would be to create an ubuntu app running the node server (I haven't seen any .clicks running node, but there are some .snaps), but your app would be under the control of the lifecycle management and would be suspended when screen off
[16:31] <mcphail> (or use a chroot)
[16:34] <melvster> mchphail: awesome, phone is now working, thanks for help! :)
[16:35] <mcphail> melvster: nice
[19:12] <AuroraAvenue> Need a hand here with a Nexus 4 & Ubuntu Touch.
[19:13] <AuroraAvenue> when I terminal ..  adb devices I get nothing.
[19:13] <AuroraAvenue> I'm on 16.04
[19:13] <Acou_Bass> developer mode enabled?
[19:14] <Mikaela> Ubuntu Touch uses Android Development Bridge?
[19:14] <AuroraAvenue> I clicked on the Settings → About phone  and clicked it several times. A lollipop came up . Is it done ?
[19:14] <Acou_Bass> oh wait, is it still running android?
[19:15] <AuroraAvenue> yes atr the moment.
[19:15] <Acou_Bass> ahhh thought you meant youre not getting adb in ubuntu touch :p
[19:15] <AuroraAvenue> yes i'm trying to put ubuntu touch on a nexus 4.
[19:16] <Acou_Bass> ahhhh you need to enable USB debugging in developer options in the setttings
[19:16] <AuroraAvenue> how do i do it ?
[19:16] <Mikaela> tap the build version a few times where you got the lollipop
[19:17] <Acou_Bass> then settings -> developer options -> enable usb debugging
[19:18] <AuroraAvenue> I can't see "developer options" on settings :(
[19:18] <Acou_Bass> did you tap the build version as above first to get the popup saying developer mode enabled?
[19:19] <AuroraAvenue> yes the lollipop grew into a big one.
[19:19] <Acou_Bass> you said you tapped about phone - you need to tap build version 7 times
[19:19] <Acou_Bass> now when you close out the settings ap pthen re-open it, developer options should be available
[19:20] <Mikaela> getting lollipop means you tapped Android version instead ofnthe build version
[19:21] <AuroraAvenue> oh ok.
[19:22] <AuroraAvenue> ok got it !
[19:22] <Acou_Bass> woohoo
[19:22] <AuroraAvenue> i shall now proceed.
[19:22] <Acou_Bass> the hard part is over... just unlock bootloader then phablet tools does the rest ;D
[19:24] <AuroraAvenue> It's still not listing attached devices (?) Do I need to re-start anything ?
[19:24] <Acou_Bass> maybe restart adb server
[19:25] <Acou_Bass> adb kill-server
[19:25] <Guest22379> I'm trying to follow the wiki instructions linked in the motd to get a build environment set up, 'phablet-dev-bootstrap phablet' fails due to failure to fetch 'CyanogenMod/android_external_koush_Superuser'
[19:26] <Guest22379> has anyone managed to get an environment setup recently?
[19:26] <AuroraAvenue> tried adb kill-server still nothing on showing 'listed' devices.
[19:29] <SylvieLorxu> Is there any way to get the Ubuntu QML elements on Gentoo? I'd like to develop an Ubuntu Touch app, but I don't want to use Ubuntu itself to develop on
[19:29] <AuroraAvenue> still not listing & it's not 'charging' via ubuntu laptop either. Only have 6% left of battery :(
[19:30] <mcphail> SylvieLorxu: I think a portable version of the components hasn't been released yet. Some people run the Ubuntu SDK in a container, though. That might be an option?
[19:30] <AuroraAvenue> what should i do, now ?
[19:31] <SylvieLorxu> mcphail: You mean like Emacs? ;) Nah, honestly, kinda want to avoid the container mess. Guess I'll just delay Ubuntu Touch app development then
[19:31] <mcphail> SylvieLorxu: bloomin' gentoo users and their emacs... Ubuntu users use vim!
[19:32] <SylvieLorxu> I use vim too, I just thought Emacs counted as a container because it's basically a complete OS :P
[19:33] <mcphail> :)
[19:33] <Guest22379> It is, pity about the built in editor :]
[19:33] <AuroraAvenue> Still cant get ubuntu on my phone !
[19:33] <AuroraAvenue> I wiped windows for this !
[19:35] <AuroraAvenue> Its charging now.
[19:35] <mcphail> AuroraAvenue: I'm not sure you can install Ubuntu on a lollipopped nexus 4. You might need to downgrade android first
[19:35]  * mcphail has lost track of the android codenames
[19:36] <AuroraAvenue> how do i do that exactkly. This is becoming infuriatingly difficult !
[19:36] <mcphail> AuroraAvenue: I don't have that phone, but I've seen a couple of people on here have had to do that
[19:36] <AuroraAvenue> yes howc ?
[19:37] <mcphail> AuroraAvenue: as I said, I don't have that phone so can't help you. Best time to ask on here is in European office hours. Lots of nexus4 users around then
[19:38] <AuroraAvenue> This is silly. I buy a modern nexus 4 & i cant do ubuntu. I already wiped windows & all my work for 16.04. C'mon !
[19:39] <mcphail> AuroraAvenue: try to not get frustrated. It is a fixable problem, with the correct information
[19:39] <mcphail> AuroraAvenue: flashing ROMS is always a hairy business
[19:39] <AuroraAvenue> where is the bug that says you cant do it with lollipop ? & I shall put $250 on it to solve it. NOW.
[19:40] <mcphail> I think there have been changed in adb. In saying that, mariogrip seems to be getting Ubuntu onto 5.x only devices now, so maybe it is being fixed
[19:41] <AuroraAvenue> I just cant get ubuntu on my phone 'co it wont list the device.
[19:41] <AuroraAvenue> Now i need to go home to get the charger. Complete waste of my time.#
[19:54] <ogra_> Nexus 4 flashing only works with 4.4
[19:54] <ogra_> he needs to downgradehis android first
[19:58] <mcphail> ogra_: thought so
[20:02] <melvster> I got a process running on localhost port 8443 and can connect to it via curl.  But I cant connect via the browser, is that normal?
[20:08] <AuroraAvenue> ogra_: Yeah I just don't know how to do that.
[21:03] <mr_rcollins> Any way to make Firefox and Libreoffice usable on the FHD version of the M10? Everything is TINY!
[21:26] <Walex> mr_rcollins: I am looking for that too. Presumably 'unity-tweak-tool' or something like that.
[21:27] <Walex> mr_rcollins: but I;d say it is an interesting but far from finished product. Consider for example the lack in the base install of a filemanager...
[21:27] <mr_rcollins> I'm not too worried, I know the software isn't finished.
[21:27] <mr_rcollins> I set up a chroot on an SD card, that scratches most itches for now.
[21:28] <Walex> mr_rcollins: that's something I was thinking of doing too...
[21:28] <mr_rcollins> There is a bug in the terminal when using a bluetooth keyboard. If I switch to another app and type anything, terminal will not accept keys when I switch back. I have to go into the settings and toggle the show keyboard button.
[21:29] <mr_rcollins> I put it on an SD so I can easily wipe the tablet without losing anything.
[21:29] <Walex> amusingly a chroot/similar on a card is also the way to install Ubuntu on Chromebooks too.
[21:29] <mr_rcollins> I'm sitting at a Barnes & Noble using a BT keyboard and mouse. I'm looking very much the hipster.
[21:30] <Walex> mr_rcollins: as to to keyboard I sometimes lose the ability to type into a window from the sw keyboard too
[21:30] <Walex> mr_rcollins: argh. hipster-developers have given us terrible sw over the past years...
[21:31] <Walex> many, many hipster-developers work at Canonical...
[21:31] <mr_rcollins> Lol, I'm about as far from an actual hipster as you can get. For example, PBR is terrible beer.
[21:54] <mr_rcollins> Battery life on the M10 seems to be pretty good so far. 10-15% an hour with wifi and bluetooth.
[22:13] <mariogrip> dobey: the battery update is getting a bit delay,  I found an issue i wan to fix first
[22:31] <Dayofswords> is it possible to turn a normal ubuntu desktop install into an ubuntu touch install? I've got an old iconia tab w500 with an AMD c50 I'd like to try it on.
[22:32] <Walex> Dayofswords: you have to reinstall
[22:38] <Dayofswords> Walex: I haven't figured out how to install ubuntu-touch by itself though, I have the vivid and xenial preinstalled-touch-i386.tar.gz, but it's just the filesystem