[07:45] <Kilos> morning all
[08:12] <pavlushka> Morning every one!
[08:47] <mazal> Morning
[08:48] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[08:48] <mazal> Now my mobile is dead also :(
[08:48] <Kilos> ai!
[08:48] <mazal> Only 2 weeks in and alrwady problems
[08:49] <mazal> This country &^$$
[08:49] <mazal> On the Afrihost sim now
[08:49] <magespawn> hello the room
[08:49] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[08:51] <mazal> Morning magespawn
[08:52] <magespawn> how is the afrihost mazal ?
[08:53] <mazal> Expensive
[08:53] <mazal> But have no choice , telkom mobile dead also today
[08:54] <Kilos> ai!
[08:54] <mazal> So tired of all this &*^%&*
[08:54] <Kilos> isnt your adsl working again?
[08:54] <mazal> Anyway , what could cause Kubu refusing to remove a usb device ?
[08:55] <Kilos> when its busy
[08:55] <mazal> Put usb stick in , copied data to HDD , copy finished. Try to remove , hangs with "removing device"
[08:56] <mazal> Think it was still busiy copying even though it showed copy is finished ?
[08:56] <Kilos> ai!
[08:56] <Kilos> yes
[08:56] <mazal> lame
[08:56] <Kilos> you in too much of a hurry
[08:57] <mazal> When it shows finished it should be finished
[08:58] <Kilos> doesnt it show on that message thing that shows when net connected
[08:58] <Kilos> i see progress bars
[08:58] <mazal> That's my point , the progress bar was long finished and gone
[08:58] <Kilos> ah
[08:59] <Kilos> file a bug report
[08:59] <mazal> Have frequent crashes also
[09:00] <mazal> Those "internal error occured" messages
[09:01] <mazal> And different apps crashing every now and then ( of which I don't recognize the names)
[09:01] <Kilos> you on 16.04 right?
[09:01] <mazal> Yep
[09:01] <Kilos> file bug reports
[09:01] <mazal> Stability not so good at the moment
[09:01] <Kilos> that will make it get improved
[09:09] <mazal> gtg for now , dunno how long I have to stretch this 1gig for
[09:09] <Kilos> ok
[09:09] <mazal> Maybe I'm lucky and Telscum is busy upgrading the tower to LTE lol
[09:10] <Kilos> lol
[09:10] <mazal> bye
[09:10] <Kilos> later
[09:29] <magespawn> brb
[09:32] <magespawn> back
[09:33] <Kilos> wb magespawn 
[09:33] <inetpro> ai! #thisguy
[09:34] <inetpro> good evening
[09:34] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[09:34] <Kilos> which guy
[09:41] <gremble> Good morning everyone. I hope you are all still well 
[09:41] <gremble> :)
[09:41] <Kilos> hi gremble wb
[09:41] <gremble> How are you Kilos?
[09:41] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[09:41] <gremble> I am well thank you
[09:59] <inetpro> Kilos: this guy who blames the country when his mobile goes down
[10:00] <gremble> If you are with CellC you only have yourself to blame if your mobile goes down :P
[10:01] <magespawn> gremble: strangely, i have very few problems with mine, touch wood
[10:01] <inetpro> gremble: long time no see, welcome back here sir
[10:01] <gremble> Hey inetpro :)
[10:02] <gremble> magespawn, I bought myself out of a contract with them so I can keep my number and move away from them
[10:02] <gremble> I live in Pretoria and I don't have signal inside my own house with them
[10:03] <inetpro> where did you move to now gremble?
[10:03] <magespawn> i am in Hluhluwe, and it runs pretty much as expected in bush, but that is with all networks
[10:03] <inetpro> I mean what mobile SP?
[10:03] <inetpro> or are you in luck with ADSL even?
[10:03] <gremble> I am with VodaCom. Other than their shitty practises with regards to VIoP, its alright
[10:04] <gremble> For internet I have adsl
[10:04] <gremble> with Mweb unfortunately :P
[10:04] <inetpro> yeah, VC is not good at all but with regards to coverage still beat everyone else hands down
[10:05] <gremble> CellC has a "feature" now where they charge you phonecall rates for voip :P
[10:06] <Kilos> im happy with telkom mobile
[10:06] <inetpro> wow, that is just ridiculous 
[10:19] <inetpro> time for FTTH rollouts to speed up
[10:21] <magespawn> gremble: i saw that, was not too sure about it
[10:24] <inetpro> I think we need more people who can do the splicing job
[10:24] <inetpro> or where is the bottleneck in this whole industry?
[10:25] <inetpro> Symmetria: come now, you should know the answer to that
[12:14] <Symmetria> heh
[12:14] <Symmetria> the bottleneck is not the splicing
[12:14] <Symmetria> the bottleneck is in the civil works and in the permiting
[12:14] <Symmetria> (and often the funding)
[12:52] <inetpro> Symmetria: so there are enough guys in the industry who can do the splicing if a city is really serious about FTTH?
[12:53] <inetpro> or rather, where does the buck stop even, is it not just Telkom anyway?
[12:53] <inetpro> or Neotel
[12:56] <inetpro> who do we call in order to get fiber to a house, school or business?
[12:56] <inetpro> sad that there is still no competition in this industry
[13:58] <Langjan> Hi Kilos 
[13:58] <Langjan> you ok?
[13:58] <Kilos> hi Langjan 
[13:58] <Kilos> im ok ty and you?
[13:59] <Langjan> Fine thks. started the drive it wants a password
[13:59] <Kilos> oh thats easy
[13:59] <Langjan> you put "Tannie" in?
[13:59] <Kilos> is that in tannie
[13:59] <Langjan> yes
[13:59] <Kilos> i am still on there as well
[13:59] <Langjan> so I see
[14:00] <Kilos> ok tannie passwd is 12345678 you can change it to something she will remember
[14:00] <Kilos> and i gave her admin rights so you should be able to remove me completely
[14:01] <Kilos> i was bang to try
[14:01] <Kilos> hehe
[14:01] <Langjan> Thks but I'm gonna battle to help her with this interface
[14:02] <Kilos> you can install what you like on there
[14:02] <Kilos> that is a light 14.04
[14:02] <Kilos> ubuntu using openbox
[14:03] <Langjan> Ok, can it not run unity?  
[14:03] <Kilos> i havent got any 32 bit isos , i gave my lekker mod pc to ian and the second drive in there had many isos
[14:04] <Kilos> you can install
[14:04] <Kilos> um
[14:04] <Kilos> ubuntu-desktop
[14:04] <Kilos> it uses same repos
[14:05] <Langjan> is that in terminal?
[14:05] <Kilos> i basically wanted to see if it books first time
[14:05] <Kilos> or in synaptic
[14:05] <Langjan> booted fine
[14:05] <Kilos> look in then thing bottom left
[14:05] <Kilos> then in system
[14:06] <Kilos> you will find synaptic
[14:06] <Kilos> you will see terminal icon on the bottom panel
[14:07] <Kilos> sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop
[14:08] <Langjan> now youre losing me terminal in synaptic?
[14:08] <Kilos> no man
[14:09] <Kilos> if you have synaptic type in the search ubuntu-desktop
[14:10] <Langjan> not there, but am running in terminal
[14:10] <Kilos> then run sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop
[14:11] <Kilos> hopefully it runs unity ok 
[14:11] <Langjan> ek het mos gese hy loop al...
[14:11] <Langjan> ok lets see
[14:11] <Kilos> maybeyou lucky, openbox is much lighter
[14:14] <Langjan> stormers 24 reds 22
[14:14] <Kilos> depending on ram spead it should run unity but will be slow
[14:14] <Kilos> yeah im watching as well
[14:14] <Langjan> ram is 1 GB should be ok
[14:14] <Kilos> tara woke me to watch
[14:14] <Kilos> eish
[14:14] <Kilos> 1g is min
[14:16] <Langjan> eish my line is running at 1Mbps, just doing a check and reset
[14:17] <Kilos> 12.04 had unity 2d but i cant rememer if 14.04 can
[14:18] <Langjan> well I would say if 12.04 had it it should be on 14.04
[14:18] <Langjan> its done 75% running slow
[14:19] <Kilos> nope
[14:19] <Kilos> they dropped it i think
[14:19] <Kilos> thats why i build a faster pc
[14:19] <Langjan> oh ok. Here goes stormers lead down the drain
[14:21] <Kilos> if its too slow you can use gnome session fallback i think
[14:22] <Kilos> http://www.howtogeek.com/189912/how-to-install-the-gnome-classic-desktop-in-ubuntu-14.04/
[14:24] <Langjan> thks
[14:24] <Kilos> ldet me know what happens each step
[14:24] <Kilos> let as well
[14:24] <Langjan> ok thks
[14:25] <Kilos> that drive has been going a year with bento trouble free
[14:25] <Langjan> unpacking 50%
[14:25] <Langjan> seems to be running very nicely
[14:29] <Langjan> I got her network cable 55 metres for R150
[14:29] <Kilos> yay
[14:29] <Langjan> no joints
[14:29] <Kilos> is 55 enough
[14:29] <Langjan> yes
[14:29] <Kilos> good
[14:30] <Langjan> tested and working fine
[14:30] <Kilos> lekker
[14:30] <Kilos> nice when things work
[14:31] <Langjan> pipes and hardware another R130 and the switch R170 delivered, on its way
[14:31] <Kilos> sjoe
[14:31] <Langjan> Well it will be paid off in about 5 months
[14:32] <Kilos> good thats ok then
[14:32] <Langjan> savings from mobile data
[14:32] <Kilos> yeah
[14:32] <Langjan> and much more stable 
[14:35] <Langjan> ok Kilos download completed what next?
[14:35] <Kilos> it should install
[14:35] <mazal> Hi
[14:35] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[14:36] <Langjan> hi mazal 
[14:36] <mazal> Got another niggle , network system icon is hidden
[14:36] <mazal> http://picpaste.com/icon1-YH0YjRRr.jpeg
[14:36] <mazal> http://picpaste.com/icon2-PMzX4CmY.jpeg
[14:36] <Kilos> Langjan didnt it install
[14:36] <mazal> Where it's supposed to be ( where mouse pointer is in pic ) is just blank
[14:37] <Langjan> no
[14:37] <mazal> This only happens when I'm on 3g dongle , on lan it is there
[14:37] <Langjan> but maybe I must see if we come right with this interface
[14:37] <Kilos> Langjan sudo aptitude reinstall ubuntu-desktop
[14:37] <Langjan> ok
[14:38] <Kilos> then on rebooting you should be able to choose ubuntu
[14:38] <Kilos> i havent tried mixing them
[14:39] <Kilos> mazal whats wrongf
[14:40] <mazal> Network system icon blank/missing/hidden
[14:40] <mazal> See the pics
[14:40] <Kilos> oh nm-applet
[14:40] <Kilos> i donr see them lekker
[14:40] <mazal> Only when dongle is in use
[14:40] <mazal> It should be signal bars
[14:41] <Kilos> when dongle is in open it and add other connection
[14:41] <mazal> It's working fine
[14:41] <mazal> Just the system icon that isn't
[14:41] <Langjan> Kilos,  where do you switch this thing off?
[14:42] <Langjan> sudo reboot?
[14:42] <mazal> When I click on the blank space where it should be it open the connection info
[14:42] <Kilos> left bottom corner
[14:42] <Langjan> no
[14:42] <Kilos> the choose logoff
[14:42] <Kilos> or sudo reboot works ya
[14:42] <mazal> Langjan, is that Kubuntu
[14:42] <Kilos> the logoff opens a windows to shutdown reboot etc
[14:43] <Kilos> no mazal bento
[14:43] <mazal> oh
[14:44] <mazal> Looks like my inet has signal again , lemme test
[14:44] <Langjan> runs thro a lot of libraries on boot
[14:44] <Kilos> hopefully on grub menu you can choose
[14:47] <Langjan> I think I must install 14.04 
[14:47] <Kilos> whats happening
[14:47] <Langjan> nothing
[14:47] <mazal> Now on lan the icon is back
[14:47] <Langjan> just rebooted same
[14:47] <mazal> So it's the mobile icon that's missing/blank
[14:47] <Kilos> nowhere to choose ubuntu
[14:47] <Kilos> ok install 14.04
[14:48] <Langjan> no not in grub, only recovery mode option
[14:48] <Kilos> save that page bento
[14:48] <Kilos> no
[14:48] <Kilos> where you put password
[14:48] <Kilos> small thing you tick to choose
[14:48] <Kilos> on the desktop is a file with bento links
[14:51] <magespawn> home time, chat  later all
[14:51] <Kilos> cheers magespawn 
[14:56] <Kilos> Langjan whats happening
[14:56] <Kilos> just save the bento links then install 14.04
[14:59] <Langjan> banto links?
[14:59] <Langjan> bento
[14:59] <Kilos> there is a file on the desktop named bento
[14:59] <Kilos> all the links to get bento are there
[14:59] <Kilos> just save that on a stick
[14:59] <Langjan> dunno its not running now
[15:00] <Langjan> not booting from cd
[15:00] <Langjan> will get back to bento
[15:00] <Kilos> oh my
[15:01] <Langjan> strange thing, it saya boot from cd then stays there, when I eject cd it boots directly on bento
[15:01] <Kilos> you have to wait long its a slow machine
[15:01] <Kilos> needs to load info to ram first
[15:03] <Langjan> no bento links file that I can see
[15:03] <Langjan> on desktop?
[15:03] <Kilos> oh my
[15:03] <Kilos> ok
[15:03] <Kilos> i might have it saved somewhwree
[15:04] <Kilos> np
[15:04] <Kilos> try boot from 12.04 cd
[15:05] <Langjan> picks up immediately on 12.04
[15:05] <Kilos> lighter
[15:06] <Kilos> install 12.04
[15:06] <Langjan> ok maybe better for now
[15:06] <Kilos> its supported till 2017
[15:06] <Langjan> thats fine
[15:07] <Langjan> were back to the cd/dvd prob
[15:07] <Langjan> this is cd writer
[15:07] <Kilos> yes
[15:07] <Langjan> I forgot
[15:07] <Kilos> 12.04 is on cd
[15:07] <Langjan> yip
[15:07] <Kilos> 14.04 is on dvd
[15:08] <Kilos> you want to borrow my email addy
[15:09] <Kilos> the pro doesnt use it anymore , he got too clever
[15:11] <Kilos> and you can look around for more ram for that machine  in the future
[15:13] <Langjan> will do
[15:13] <Langjan> but they scarce 
[15:13] <Kilos> i know , i only found at pc repair shops
[15:14] <Langjan> same installer failure as before, perhaps motherboard prob?
[15:14] <Kilos> eish
[15:14] <Kilos> run bento, just work it out
[15:15] <Kilos> it takes some looking through but everything is there
[15:15] <Langjan> ok
[15:16] <Kilos> opera is the browser i think
[15:16] <Kilos> now i dont have a bento here to look at to help you
[15:17] <Kilos> ai!
[15:18] <Langjan> I think install has damaged bento, not booting
[15:18] <Kilos> oh my
[15:18] <Kilos> not at all
[15:19] <Langjan> no, says boot from cd then cursor keeps blinking
[15:19] <Kilos> ai!
[15:19] <Kilos> reboot again
[15:20] <Kilos> hopefully we can get to prompt
[15:21] <Langjan> same result
[15:21] <Kilos> change cd for dvd and try
[15:21] <Langjan> verifying dmi pool data, the boot from cd, then cursor prompt 
[15:22] <Kilos> didnt we suspect the cdrom?
[15:22] <Langjan> good idea
[15:22] <Langjan> yes
[15:22] <Langjan> but windows installled from cdrom
[15:22] <Kilos> ai!
[15:23] <Kilos> why cant things go smooth
[15:23] <Kilos> i should have installed 12.04 on it here
[15:24] <Kilos> you could even do that on your pc
[15:24] <Langjan> retrying
[15:24] <Langjan> yes thats an option
[15:25] <Langjan> let me try once more then will use my pc if it does not work
[15:25] <Kilos> ok
[15:28] <Langjan> it does not detect bento any more, has obviously deleted it
[15:28] <Langjan> detects 12.04
[15:30] <Langjan> ok shutting down to install hdd will get back soon
[15:31] <Kilos> ok
[16:35] <susan> Hi Kilos 
[16:42] <susan> Just checking in from tannie to say install went well, obviously there a hardware prob with her machine - I installed 12.04 on the 160 GB drive that we tried first
[16:42] <susan> you sleeping Kilos ?
[16:55] <Kilos> hi susan 
[16:55] <Kilos> was eating sorry
[16:56] <Kilos> tannie sue
[16:56] <susan> hi Kilos  ja moet eet neh
[16:57] <Kilos> im gald to hear that all good
[16:57] <susan> yes so not hdd prob after all
[16:57] <Kilos> ja lee pens nie gesond nie
[16:57] <Kilos> lekker
[16:57] <susan> gotta go eat myself now chat in 20 mins
[16:57] <Kilos> ek bly vir julle
[16:57] <Kilos> enjoy
[17:01] <magespawn> good evening
[17:01] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[17:04] <magespawn> so it looks like i am coming up to jhb
[17:05] <Kilos> you got a job up there?
[17:05] <magespawn> yup
[17:05] <Kilos> yay
[17:05] <Kilos> not a nice place but pay better normally
[17:06] <magespawn> now to find affordable accommodation
[17:08] <magespawn> there is a bit of a pay increase intially, but that is a probation period subject to a review in three months
[17:12] <Kilos> ok
[17:12] <Kilos> so when are you moving magespawn 
[17:12]  * Kilos hates movin
[17:12] <Kilos> g
[17:12] <Kilos> massive job
[17:15] <magespawn> it will just be me intially wife and daughter staying down here
[17:15] <Kilos> ai!
[17:15] <magespawn> somewhere betwenn now and the 22nd of next month
[17:15] <magespawn> between two
[17:16] <magespawn> or too
[17:16] <Kilos> good luck lad
[17:16] <Kilos> keep in touch
[17:17] <magespawn> of course, might actually be able to organise a few get togethers etc
[17:17] <Kilos> cool
[17:18] <magespawn> or at least attend a few
[17:26] <superfly> Kilos: http://imgur.com/drykS8j
[17:27] <Kilos> beautiful hey superfly 
[17:28] <susan_> Hi Kilos Looks like some colder weather on the way
[17:29] <Kilos> yeah
[17:30] <susan_> ok just about ready to check out and install the hdd in the old man
[17:30] <Kilos> lets hope
[17:30] <susan_> You expect probs?
[17:31] <Kilos> nope hopefully
[17:31] <Kilos> didnt we try this before
[17:31] <susan_> justfinalsing some updates
[17:31] <susan_> no
[17:31] <Kilos> good
[17:32] <susan_> so now I have spare hdd
[17:32] <Kilos> enjoy
[17:32] <Kilos> practise using bento on it
[17:32] <susan_> Baie dankie, will think of you when I need it...
[17:32] <Kilos> works better and more stable than 12.04
[17:32] <susan_> bento?
[17:33] <Kilos> that working system you broke
[17:33] <susan_> ok if I find the time (unlikely)
[17:33] <Kilos> lol
[17:33] <susan_> eish
[17:33] <susan_> lmga sorry!
[17:33] <Kilos> it works well on older machines
[17:34] <susan_> will try to remember that
[17:35] <susan_> I used to like the gnome environment but now spoilt by unity, hated it passionately until I really tried
[17:35] <Kilos> hahaha
[17:35] <susan_> lmga
[17:35] <susan_> whats happening visa-wise
[17:35] <susan_> ?
[17:35] <Kilos> didnt i tell you
[17:36] <susan_> nothing further?
[17:36] <Kilos> they foned and wanted the clearance in pdf so they could print it
[17:36] <susan_> yes thats the latest you told me, its a disgrace! 
[17:36] <Kilos> but they asked for a scanned copy
[17:37] <Kilos> then they cant convert it them selves
[17:37] <gremble> You can scan to a pdf
[17:37] <susan_> so nothing since?
[17:37] <Kilos> libreoffice writer converts easy
[17:37] <Kilos> nope
[17:37] <susan_> yes or just scan to pdf
[17:38] <Kilos> im sure they will print them then put in the post bag to aus
[17:38] <Kilos> i dunno bout scan things
[17:38] <susan_> snailmail?
[17:38] <Kilos> but will know next time
[17:38] <Kilos> no the govt courier things they use between govts
[17:38] <susan_> well your scanner app should show the pdf or jpg or whtever options
[17:39] <Kilos> like from this embassy to their hg
[17:39] <Kilos> dont make me think about scanners now
[17:39] <Kilos> hq
[17:39] <susan_> maybe you dont qualify to go oz, you need a criminal record to go there...lmga
[17:40] <Kilos> i have one
[17:40] <susan_> hq?
[17:40] <Kilos> maybe its too old
[17:40] <Kilos> headquarters
[17:40] <susan_> ok
[17:40] <susan_> my HP is 10 years old, still perfect
[17:41] <Kilos> ai!
[17:41] <Kilos> maybe my record is too old man
[17:41] <Kilos> they might want me to do something wrong every 6 months
[17:42] <susan_> maybe you too old man
[17:42] <Kilos> lol
[17:42] <susan_> lmga
[17:42] <susan_> die ooms
[17:43] <Kilos> put that drive in that machine now lets see
[17:43] <Kilos> hopefully not too many hardware diffs
[17:44] <susan_> another 5 mins updates
[17:47] <susan_> where do you select mirrors in 12.04?
[17:48] <Kilos> update manager
[17:48] <Kilos> or you install synaptic and choose there
[17:48] <Kilos> it should be using our za mirror
[17:48] <Kilos> why you wanna change
[17:49] <Kilos> if it aint broke dont fix it
[17:49] <susan_> you told me to use neulogy
[17:49] <Kilos> you dont have to man
[17:50] <Kilos> at times mirrors go down or take long upgrading then you change
[17:50] <Kilos> if you in a hurry
[17:50] <susan_> If I dont do what you tell me I get s.at on... 
[17:50] <Kilos> ai!
[17:50] <Kilos> kry jy nie skaam nie
[17:52] <susan_> nee wat hoekom?
[17:52] <susan_> eks 'n gehoorsame outjie
[17:52] <Kilos> jaja
[17:53] <Kilos> why you susan with a tail
[17:53] <Kilos> susan used already
[17:53] <inetpro> Maaz: tell mazal your "blank" icon may just be a theme issue that may get resolved with an update, icon probably white on white background... change theme to see other colors
[17:53] <Maaz> inetpro: Got it, I'll tell mazal on freenode
[17:53] <susan_> ask irc
[17:53] <susan_> I see other one s also there
[17:53] <Kilos> not many
[17:53] <susan_> so I broke it
[17:54] <Kilos> broke what?
[17:54] <susan_> I broke susan and put a tail to it
[17:54] <Kilos> oh ya 2 of you here
[17:54] <pavlushka> inetpro: I am facing that in xubuntu as well
[17:55] <susan_> how to change nick? tried, doesn't work
[17:55] <Kilos> it wont you are here twice
[17:55] <Kilos> one will retire now now
[17:55] <inetpro> susan_: /nick MyNewNick
[17:56] <susan_> hi inetpro 
[17:56] <pavlushka> inetpro: dont you need to kill the ghost?
[17:56] <pavlushka> Hi inetpro !
[17:56] <inetpro> oops... but you may have to wait until the old one times out 
[17:56] <susan_> I'm secret service Langjan
[17:57] <Kilos> inetpro keep up man
[17:57] <inetpro> or... use the ghost command to force it out
[17:57] <Kilos> susan_ you on your pc on 12.04 drive
[17:57] <Kilos> ?
[17:57] <susan_> yes
[17:57] <inetpro> ok, lyk my ek is te stadig vir julle, sorry ooms
[17:58] <Kilos> then why bother changing nick
[17:58] <susan_> reg so seuntjie
[17:58] <Kilos> lol
[17:58] <susan_> because you asked why the tail
[17:58] <Kilos> you taking the drive to other pc soon
[17:58] <inetpro> oops... en die ander ene is nog 'n tannie ook nog
[17:59] <Kilos> did you install hexchat or xchat already
[17:59] <Kilos> hahaha
[17:59] <inetpro> goeie dag oom Jan :-)
[17:59] <susan_> me? where you think I'm chatting from...
[17:59] <inetpro> of is dit al aand?
[17:59] <Kilos> the 12.04 drive?
[18:00] <susan_> hi inetpro weer 'n keer...lmga
[18:00] <susan_> yes Kilos 
[18:00] <susan_> Dis aand op die dag van 23
[18:00] <inetpro> ek sal maar eerder weer gaan wegkruip dat julle kan aagaan, anders lag julle te veel
[18:00] <Kilos> you installed xchat before updating even
[18:01] <susan_> so?
[18:01] <Kilos> it will make the drive boot to grub prompt when you change to another pc
[18:01] <susan_> gotta report to the boss
[18:02] <susan_> what does that mean?
[18:02] <Kilos> it means you will have to start all over again
[18:02] <Kilos> just joking
[18:02] <Kilos> hopefully it works
[18:03] <Kilos> inetpro you may drop a few words of wisdom here
[18:03] <Kilos> susan_ thats a long 5 mins
[18:04] <susan_> yes, still running
[18:04] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:04] <inetpro> Kilos: you expect words of wisdom from a young one amongst wise men? no, no, no...
[18:05] <Kilos> hahaha you the only one here with a bit of brains
[18:05] <susan_> I suppose fresh 12.04 is very outdated re updates by now?
[18:05] <Kilos> everyone else has lots
[18:05] <inetpro> ai!
[18:05] <Kilos> very seldom needs updates
[18:06] <Kilos> skuus boetie
[18:06] <Kilos> ek terg net
[18:06] <inetpro> haha, ek weet :-)
[18:06] <Kilos> when you say that to someone face to face
[18:06] <Kilos> they actually swell with pride 
[18:06]  * inetpro continues with other work in the background
[18:07] <Kilos> then the second remarks pops their  bubble
[18:09] <susan> dis beter
[18:09] <Kilos> wat  is beter
[18:09] <susan> susan
[18:09] <Kilos> aha
[18:09] <susan> stert is weg ek het die ekstra een toegemaak
[18:10] <Kilos> mooi
[18:10] <Kilos> jy peuter te veel terwyl jy instaleer
[18:10] <susan> ou mans hou van peuter, dis hoekom die jong bokkies van hulle hou
[18:12] <mazal> Time for a break
[18:12] <Maaz> mazal: By the way, inetpro on freenode told me "tell mazal your "blank" icon may just be a theme issue that may get resolved with an update, icon probably white on white background... change theme to see other colors" 19 minutes and 38 seconds ago
[18:13] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:13] <mazal> inetpro, copy that. I already tried finding a way to make the daskbar darker but failed. I will keep digging in the theme settings thanx
[18:16] <susan> Wie is mazal?
[18:16] <mazal> Oi , changed the theme and everything crashes
[18:16] <Kilos> hy maak pcs reg by die tronk
[18:16] <susan> related to Maaz?
[18:16] <Kilos> nee man
[18:16] <Kilos> haha
[18:16] <Kilos> maaz breek nie goed nie
[18:16] <Maaz> Kilos: What?
[18:17] <Kilos> mazal breek als
[18:17] <mazal> hey
[18:17] <susan> breek uit die tronk
[18:18] <mazal> Ek breek goed net op sekere dae en tye :P
[18:18] <mazal> Nou en dan los ek dit uit
[18:18] <Kilos> lol
[18:18] <susan> Ek breek altyd alles
[18:18] <susan> Kilos,  weet
[18:19] <susan> as hy my sien is dit al wat hy vra - wat het jy gebreek...
[18:19] <mazal> hehehe
[18:19] <Kilos> one year old stable trouble free working drive an OS detroyed in 20 mins
[18:19] <susan> ek doen wat hy my se dan breek dit
[18:20] <susan> dis daai ou gnome goed wat jy mee rondneuk
[18:20] <Kilos> nee man
[18:20] <Kilos> bento is nie gnome nie
[18:21] <susan> watse interface was daai dan?
[18:21] <Kilos> openbox
[18:21] <susan> amper soos gnome
[18:21] <mazal> Ek kennie Bento nie
[18:21] <susan> beter so
[18:21] <susan> lmga
[18:21] <Kilos> net inetpro en ek het gekyk daarna dink ek
[18:22] <Kilos> n tannie van 56 in frankryk het dit gebou
[18:22] <susan> Dis nie 'n tannie nie, dis 'n jong dingetjie...
[18:22] <Kilos> haha
[18:22] <Kilos> vir jou ja
[18:23] <Kilos> die res hier moet vir haar tannie se
[18:23] <susan> ja en hulle soek ervaring
[18:23] <Kilos> hier min oor 40 hier
[18:23] <susan> umfaans
[18:23] <Kilos> yebo
[18:24] <mazal> Ek is draem net net oor 40
[18:25] <mazal> darem*
[18:25] <Kilos> en pro ook
[18:25] <Kilos> die res is jonk
[18:25] <mazal> Sal nie so sê as jy na my hobbie kyk nie
[18:25] <susan> Dis die manne wat met die neukenaars saam grootgeword het
[18:25] <Kilos> ja ek stem
[18:25] <mazal> BTW oom , ek het gister nog 'n game gekoop hehehehe :)
[18:25] <Kilos> ai!
[18:26] <Kilos> jy is eintlik bietjie siek dink ek
[18:26] <susan> wats jou stiokperdjie mazal ?
[18:26] <mazal> Kon.....nie......weerstaan.....nie......
[18:26] <mazal> Video games susan
[18:26] <Kilos> pc speletjies
[18:26] <susan> sjoe
[18:26] <mazal> Korreksie Kilos , video games
[18:26] <mazal> nie pc nie
[18:26] <Kilos> compulsive buyer
[18:27] <mazal> Ek blok myself nie in een platform in nie , het 4 verskillendes
[18:27] <mazal> Dit herninner my , ek het nog nie steam install op die pc nie
[18:27] <Kilos> sjoe susan daai ding nog besig daar
[18:27] <susan> al speletjie wat ek op die neukenaars speel is skaak, so nou en dan as ek tyd kry
[18:28] <gremble> I recently got a windows machine again so I have been dabbling in those video games as well
[18:28] <mazal> Ek het PS3 , PS4 , Xbox360 en pc
[18:28] <susan> Ja Kilos lyk my hys amper klaar
[18:28] <mazal> En ek oorweeg Xbox One ook
[18:28] <susan> mazal,   dis Grieks vir my 
[18:28] <mazal> Dis consoles
[18:28] <Kilos> gaming machines susan 
[18:29] <Kilos> playstations
[18:29] <susan> speedy gonsoles? gonsales? 
[18:29] <mazal> Om Kilos , at least is ek darem nou al terug op Ubuntu by die huis
[18:29] <Kilos> lol
[18:29] <Kilos> mooi
[18:29] <mazal> Dis darem een verbetering
[18:29] <susan> ok Kilos  ek gaan nou weg dan sien ons wat werk 
[18:29] <Kilos> lank genoeg gevat\
[18:29] <mazal> Issie
[18:29] <Kilos> geluk susan 
[18:29] <mazal> So jaar en half omtrent
[18:29] <susan> dankie boetie
[18:30] <susan> is daar genoeg speletjies op ubuntu vir jou mazal ?
[18:30] <mazal> Susan nie eers naastenby nie :(
[18:30] <Kilos> nee hy koop goed
[18:31] <Kilos> mazal have you tried 0ad
[18:31] <mazal> Dis hoekom consoles my main gaming masjiene is , Linux het te swak gaming support
[18:31] <mazal> Kilos, last time I checked it was still being developed and in beta
[18:31] <Kilos> it will be for years yet i think
[18:32] <Kilos> but its playable
[18:32] <mazal> One of those never ending stories
[18:32] <Kilos> same as ubuntu
[18:32] <Kilos> just keeps getting better
[18:32] <mazal> Well when I checked last week 5 of my games in my steam library has Linux support. Should install steam and check it out
[18:33] <mazal> Next month , when I have data again
[18:33] <Kilos> neelsie uses steam lots
[18:33] <mazal> But it's mostly the lesser Indie games. The big boys don't develop for Linux , yet
[18:34] <Kilos> oh ya
[18:34] <Kilos> you were supposed to give gaming support on that other thing
[18:34] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:34] <Kilos> slacker
[18:34] <Kilos> trello
[18:34] <mazal> Dunno why , the PS3 is proove that Linux can game. If memory serves it's OS is based on Yellow Dog Linux. ( If I remember correctly )
[18:35] <mazal> I guess they feel not big enough market.
[18:35] <Kilos> nearly bedtime
[18:35] <mazal> So vroeg ? 
[18:35] <mazal> Dis Saterdag
[18:36] <Kilos> yes im tired
[18:36] <mazal> okey
[18:36] <Kilos> watched 5 games of rugby today
[18:36] <Kilos> sweated lots
[18:36] <mazal> I watched 1 old one , 2007 WC final
[18:36] <Kilos> i watched all the supers played today
[18:37] <mazal> Have a few old games on disk and watch it every now and then. Don't have DSTV
[18:37] <Kilos> i watch on mnet sport channel
[18:37] <Kilos> even mnet is expensive now
[18:37] <Kilos> but sis hooked so i score
[18:39] <magespawn> right, back again
[18:39] <mazal> Yeah it's too much per month just for tv , but I have other reason for not having it which I will not say on family channel
[18:39] <Kilos> wb
[18:39] <mazal> Hi magespawn
[18:39] <Kilos> lol
[18:40]  * mazal plans the evening
[18:40] <mazal> Game or movie
[18:40] <Kilos> wb susan 
[18:41] <pavlushka-> Hi magespawn!
[18:41] <Kilos> you have 2 irc clients running or something
[18:41] <pavlushka-> Hi mazal!
[18:41] <mazal> Hi pavlushka-
[18:41] <susan> running well and looking good!
[18:41] <Kilos> yaya
[18:41] <Kilos> yay
[18:41] <mazal> Must be a Toyota then
[18:42] <magespawn> hi pavlushka- 
[18:42] <susan> Auto Union
[18:43] <susan> Young uns dont even know what that is...
[18:43] <Kilos> yip
[18:43] <Kilos> we had a few
[18:43] <mazal> Yeah , sounds like something that is about to strike
[18:43] <Kilos> plywood body first
[18:43] <Kilos> dkw
[18:44] <Kilos> then 1000 station wagon
[18:44] <susan> yes and 1000s and 1000sp
[18:44] <Kilos> deutse kleine wunder
[18:44] <Kilos> 3/6
[18:44] <susan> no launcher icon siza adjustment this side...?
[18:45] <susan> size
[18:45] <Kilos> ai!
[18:45] <Kilos> and it worked on your pc
[18:45] <susan> yes
[18:45] <susan> strange
[18:45] <Kilos> different screen too
[18:45] <Kilos> hardware diffs
[18:45] <susan> screen is fine
[18:46] <Kilos> type in additional in dash
[18:47] <susan> drivers?
[18:47] <Kilos> see what it says
[18:47] <Kilos> graphics
[18:47] <susan> searching
[18:48] <Kilos> what graphics is in there
[18:48] <Kilos> tell before you install
[18:48] <susan> How do I see that - in tweak?
[18:49] <Kilos> lspci
[18:50] <susan> in terminal?
[18:50] <Kilos> yip
[18:51] <susan> which part of output youwanna see?
[18:51] <Kilos> you most likely in 2d as well so many things dont work as well as 3d
[18:51] <Kilos> you look for graphics
[18:51] <Kilos> not me
[18:51] <Kilos> nvidia or intel
[18:52] <Kilos> with nvidia i can suggest but with intel im lost
[18:52] <Kilos> additional should show you as well
[18:52] <susan> vga? nothing else 
[18:53] <Kilos> inetpro help
[18:53] <inetpro> wat nou?
[18:53] <Kilos> ai! we need a unity user with a memory back to 12.04
[18:54] <Kilos> susan> no launcher icon siza adjustment this side...?
[18:54]  * inetpro wonders how far back he should read
[18:54] <Kilos> 1 line
[18:54] <inetpro> doesn't make sense
[18:55] <Kilos> susan explain better
[18:55] <Kilos> maybe bottom panel size
[18:55] <susan> well on my machine the launcher icon size adjustment showed, on this one its gone
[18:56] <Kilos> graphics
[18:56]  * inetpro knows nothing about Unity
[18:56] <susan> system settings, appearance, look
[18:56] <Kilos> lol
[18:56] <inetpro> and even less about Windows
[18:56] <Kilos> give him some comands to run man
[18:57] <Kilos> i was on unity and you helped me
[18:57] <inetpro> can't help, sorry
[18:57] <susan> Normally under "look" it gives appearance then launcher icon size adjustment
[18:57] <Kilos> susan sudo apt-get update
[18:57] <susan> ok thks inetpro 
[18:57] <Kilos> sudo apt-get install aptitude
[18:58] <inetpro> don't have Unity here to check and test 
[18:58] <inetpro> Google is your friend
[18:58] <Kilos> your friend
[18:58] <Kilos> susan you done those commands
[18:58] <Kilos> ??
[18:58] <inetpro> oops... I forget, you may even have to use something other than Google even
[18:58] <susan> yes, running
[18:59] <susan> and upgrade?
[18:59] <Kilos> next will be sudo aptitude upgrade
[18:59]  * inetpro noticed a badly written advisory article about avoiding google.com 
[18:59] <Kilos> oh
[18:59] <inetpro> but somebody else could perhaps explain
[19:00]  * inetpro busy in the background
[19:00] <susan> it said install and
[19:00] <Kilos> huh
[19:00] <susan> got to reboot
[19:01] <pavlushka-> good night guys!
[19:01] <Kilos> night
[19:03] <magespawn> inetpro: avoid google.com?
[19:04] <susan> ok will live with large launcher for now
[19:04] <inetpro> magespawn: http://www.mercurynews.com/bay-area-news/ci_29786995/google-warns-security-threat-its-own-website
[19:06] <Kilos> how large
[19:07] <inetpro> magespawn: http://www.kentucky.com/news/business/article72710997.html
[19:07] <Kilos> Maaz google 12.04 launcher cant size smaller
[19:07] <Maaz> Kilos: "How to resize the Unity launcher? - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/18345/how-to-resize-the-unity-launcher :: "unity - Can I make the launcher Icons smaller than 32 pixels? - Ask ..." http://askubuntu.com/questions/70306/can-i-make-the-launcher-icons-smaller-than-32-pixels :: "How can I change the size of Unity 2D launcher icons? - Ask Ubuntu"
[19:07] <Maaz> http://askubuntu.com/questions/82395/how-can-i-change-the-size-of-unity-2d-launcher-icons :…
[19:07] <Kilos> ai!
[19:07] <Kilos> just like a female
[19:08] <Kilos> walk away when you wanna say something
[19:10] <Kilos> what did he break now
[19:11] <Kilos> pc  froze
[19:19] <Kilos> Langjan what broke
[19:19] <Langjan> niks nie
[19:19] <Langjan> lmga! sorry to disappoint you
[19:19] <Kilos> nou hoe verdwyn jy net so
[19:20] <Langjan> verdwyn? Ek was nie hier nie...
[19:20] <Kilos> Maaz google 12.04 launcher cant size smaller
[19:20] <Maaz> Kilos: "How to resize the Unity launcher? - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/18345/how-to-resize-the-unity-launcher :: "unity - Can I make the launcher Icons smaller than 32 pixels? - Ask ..." http://askubuntu.com/questions/70306/can-i-make-the-launcher-icons-smaller-than-32-pixels :: "How can I change the size of Unity 2D launcher icons? - Ask Ubuntu"
[19:20] <Maaz> http://askubuntu.com/questions/82395/how-can-i-change-the-size-of-unity-2d-launcher-icons :…
[19:20] <Kilos> susan is weg man
[19:20] <Langjan> Ja ek het haar weggejaag
[19:20] <Kilos> i think adding a graphics card there will solve the prob
[19:21] <Kilos> one of the above links will say how
[19:21] <Kilos> but large icons are good for old eyes
[19:21] <Langjan> icon size adjustment is complicated in 12.04, she will not notice diff and if a problem will auto-hide the launcher
[19:22] <Kilos> ok so may i go sleep now?
[19:23] <Langjan> yes thks, that old machine is running well now
[19:23] <Kilos> yay
[19:23] <Langjan> tel eers die skape
[19:23] <Kilos> haha
[19:23] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:24] <Kilos> ill be here tomorrow
[19:24] <Langjan> slaap lekker Kilos 
[19:24] <Kilos> dankie oom en jy ook
[19:24] <Langjan> dankie vir al jou geduld en hulp
[19:24] <Kilos> ek bly dit werk
[19:24] <Langjan> ja ek ook
[19:24] <Kilos> altyd n plesier
[19:24] <Langjan> baie
[19:24] <Langjan> mooi loop
[19:24] <Kilos> jy ook dankie
[19:24] <Langjan> dankie my vriend
[19:25] <Kilos> anytime