[01:49] !info vlc xenial [01:50] vlc (source: vlc): multimedia player and streamer. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.2.2-5 (xenial), package size 1474 kB, installed size 4586 kB [05:10] good morning to all [05:21] ohayo gozaimashita cfhowlett [05:21] konichiwa lotuspsychje [05:22] :p [05:22] you on 16.04 yet? [05:22] yes [05:22] ive helped testing bugs out on daily [05:22] something for you ... wait 1. slow internet pipe here [05:46] Upgraded my dev machine yesterday to 16.04 (gnome edition) been really happy with everything, had to do some fiddling with some PHP7 config but really not major road blocks. Thanks anyone in here who made that so smooth. [05:47] wafflej0ck: glad you like it mate [10:25] Hiyas all [11:54] hi baizon [11:54] hi pauljw [11:54] hey lotuspsychje [12:34] Hi lotuspsychje, pauljw [12:34] hi BluesKaj [12:36] hey BluesKaj [12:38] dreary weather here, a good day to stay inside and relax :-) [12:38] yeah rainy grey here aswell [12:39] coffee + irc makes it all good :p [12:40] little chilly here this morning, 44F, but going up to 77F later today [12:40] yup, on my 3rd cup .. that's my limit [12:41] im a real coffee addict here :p [12:41] 3 cans would fit my needs lol [12:41] measure my coffee intake by the pot [12:41] hehe [12:42] so how you guys drink it? black? milk &suga? [12:42] black [12:42] it's cool here too, 5C/41F, only 10C/50F this aft [12:42] clearly consuming an inferior brew. try this: http://www.funraniumlabs.com/the-black-blood-of-the-earth/ [12:43] milk and stevia sweetener [12:43] milk & cane sugar here [12:44] cfhowlett: nice own brew coffee :p [12:45] cfhowlett, that impressive [12:48] OerHeks: nice seeding, helps community alot [12:49] OerHeks: wich flavor did you install yourself? [12:49] Not upgraded yet, i wait untill monday or so [12:49] kk [12:49] Ubuntu-unity ofcourse [12:49] : ) [12:50] pauljw: you? [12:51] me, i'm using ubuntu-unity but i'm only running 16.04 in virtualbox for now. like it so far [12:51] great [12:53] spent about 10hrs in the vm yesterday, only issue i had was that the menus disappeared once and had to restart unity to correct [12:54] yeah we had some users with that issue [12:55] so far so good today... :) [12:56] over all the system seems a bit snappier even while in a vm. [13:30] werd [13:30] wyoung: unity works good for millions of users [13:30] wyoung: you can only speak of your own system and experience [13:30] lotuspsychje: I have had issues with it [13:31] so dont projects your own experiences to new users [13:31] lotuspsychje: mostly with third part apps, keyboard focus and ALT+TAB recognision [13:31] wyoung: ppa's are not supported officially [13:31] lotuspsychje: why not? I am not making this shit up [13:31] lotuspsychje: it is a fact that is happens [13:31] wyoung: you can only speak of your system [13:31] wyoung: you don't need to sweap please [13:31] lotuspsychje: I am not talking about ppas [13:32] swear [13:32] lotuspsychje: I am talking about running java apps for eample [13:32] example* [13:32] or thunderbird [13:32] ikonia: :\ [13:32] ok [13:32] wyoung: you can file bugs [13:32] wyoung: and test LTS versions [13:33] lotuspsychje: plus this isn't with just my own system, I support a number of clients that have reported similar problems [13:34] lotuspsychje: I am downloading the latest LTS as we speak [13:34] lotuspsychje: my issues was with 14.04 - 15.10 [13:34] wyoung: problems are there to solve, this has nothing to do with unity weing terrible [13:34] being [13:34] it may not even be with 16.04 but the other releases are still supported atm [13:34] lotuspsychje: gnome, kde and xfce doesn't have this issues, so yes, it is unity specific [13:35] wyoung: whos us bugs that proves its unity related [13:35] show [13:36] lotuspsychje: I will leave that up with ubuntu developers to figure that out [13:36] lotuspsychje: the fact is it exists [13:36] wyoung: wich facts? [13:36] lotuspsychje: THe fact that it has happend to myself and a number of other people [13:37] what happened? [13:37] lotuspsychje: I don't have a debugger or console outputting logging this stuff when it happens [13:37] lotuspsychje: the issues I noted above [13:37] lotuspsychje: and in #ubuntu [13:37] wyoung: if you have an issue, bug it [13:37] wyoung: that doesnt prove unity is bad [13:38] lotuspsychje: ? nothing crashes so I don't get the option to [13:38] wyoung: ive been using unity from the ubuntu start, years without issues [13:38] lotuspsychje: I also dislike the bug filing process on ubuntu's website / launchpad [13:39] lotuspsychje: it asks alot of unneeded questions or questions I cannot answer but are marked as required, so I usually can't get anything filed [13:39] wyoung: if you dont file bugs, nothing gets solved [13:39] lotuspsychje: I am notifying you here [13:39] lotuspsychje: this is an official channel is it not? [13:39] this is not how bugs are tracked [13:39] it is your responsibility to log them - and follow them up [13:39] or engage with others [13:39] ikonia: I am enging [13:39] engaging* [13:39] no you're not [13:39] ikonia: ---^ [13:39] you're just talking to random people in an IRC channel [13:40] that are affiliated with ubuntu [13:40] well, the channel even [13:40] so ? [13:40] doesn't mean the right people are here and monitoring [13:40] come on ubot9 [13:40] so they are not random [13:40] !bugs | wyoung [13:40] wyoung: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs. [13:40] they are affiliated [13:40] wyoung: no they are not [13:40] wyoung: I am nothing to do with the ubuntu project - I am here [13:40] I'm not affilated in anyway [13:40] wyoung: wining about unity is 'terrible' and then rejecting to filing bugs isnt gonna help [13:41] wyoung: have a read of the link about how to report bugs if you're intereted in reporting bugs [13:41] wyoung: Everybody here is exactly like you, just a regular ubuntu user [13:41] ikonia: oh, so why do you have the right to tell me I am warned for? if you are not afilkited with ubuntu, being this is an offical ubuntu channel [13:42] ikonia: are you just beign a dick? [13:42] being* [13:42] wyoung: there are guidelines [13:42] wyoung: no need to become rude here...stay professional [13:42] lotuspsychje: so therefore there are people in these channel who moderate and are affilated? [13:43] wyoung: stop with the attitude and language [13:43] ikonia: I will [13:43] ikonia: I am just getting annoyed [13:43] last warning [13:43] ikonia: last warning, so you are affilated? [13:43] I'm getting annoyed with you and your attitude [13:43] yet I'm not swearing and name calling you [13:43] wyoung: no, I'm not [13:44] ikonia: did I call you a name? [13:44] besides ikonia that is [13:44] and to be honest, you're trying to pick holes in a weak way, rather than just log a bug to help [13:44] ikonia: so how can you warn me? [13:44] wyoung: yes, you asked me if I was being a dick [13:44] wyoung: I'm a channel operator, [13:44] the guidelines are laid out about how to use the ubuntu channels [13:44] anyone can warn you [13:44] anyone is free to guide you and if needed warn you to stay in line with them [13:44] !guidelines | wyoung [13:44] wyoung: The guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines [13:44] ikonia: yes, asked, I didn't accuse you of being one, it was a question [13:44] wyoung: you're on thin ice, tone down the attitude and language please [13:45] ikonia: what language? [13:45] swearing [13:45] asking if people are being a dick [13:45] be polite [13:45] ikonia: I didn't say any profanities between the last time you mentoend I did [13:46] wyoung: read the guidelines before you continue to comment in the channel please [13:46] ikonia: I don't consider that a swear word, but ok, i won't use it in the future [13:46] it may save a lot of discussion that isn't needed [13:46] ikonia: does the guidlines list the words I cannot use here? [13:46] not an exact list, but you'll get the idea of what is accetpable / not [13:46] please have a read [13:46] ikonia: if not then how do I know what word is allowed? [13:46] ikonia: I have [13:47] wyoung: whats your endgoal with all this? [13:47] great, then I won't need to warn you about any more problem behaviour, thank you [13:47] ikonia: well, not recently, but the date stamp seems to be around the last time I read it [13:47] wyoung: what in the world are you trying to prove to the ubuntu community now? [13:47] ikonia: that is correct, keep that to yourself [13:48] lotuspsychje: nothing, just talking to ikonia here atm, I will get to you later [13:48] wyoung: behave in line with the guidelines and there will be no need to remove you from the channels, as there will be no more warnings [13:48] hang tight [13:49] ikonia: since you are not affilated with ubuntu that is fine, if I am banned by you then you lied to me, and you are unethical and a terrible person [13:49] please stop trying to cause a problem - I won't ask again, I am nothing to do with the ubuntu project, I am an operator of some of the community run and managed channels [13:49] discuss ubuntu here - join #ubuntu-ops if you want to discuss the policy [13:49] wyoung: before you join the ubuntu channels, you need to know about the guidelines [13:49] but stop trying to push a pointless discussion [13:49] ikonia: grrrrr [13:49] lotuspsychje: I know them [13:49] you've said you read the guidelines - comply with them or you will leave, clear [13:50] lotuspsychje: I just do't recognise ikonia as being an enforcer of them [13:50] don't* [13:50] ignore my warnings then - and you'll be forced to leave, it's that simple [13:50] ikonia: so you are affilated [13:50] ikonia: you lied [13:50] please return to discussing ubuntu topics rather than this petty attempt to win a poitnless agrument [13:50] wyoung: the ops are needed for guys like you misleading users.. [13:50] lotuspsychje: I wasn't misleading them [13:51] wyoung: saying unity is terrible and they might choose another Os? [13:51] lotuspsychje: misleading implies I was lying, I was not, the issues I stated exist [13:51] lotuspsychje: no, I didn't say OS, I said windows manager / version of ubuntu [13:51] wyoung: you cant project your own system issues to others [13:51] lotuspsychje: xubuntu is great [13:52] wyoung: all flavors are great [13:52] lotuspsychje: as I stated eariler it wasn;t a single system, the issues I had expands over multiple different computers and even differetn people [13:52] wyoung: you cant prove that [13:52] lotuspsychje: ubuntu is poor though in comparison to the others [13:52] lotuspsychje: you like going around in circles do you? [13:53] wyoung: if the user dont understand well, yes [13:53] lotuspsychje: as I have stated, I don't dislike the ubuntu project, just unity. I am not misleading users by stating that as there are severel issues with it [13:53] wyoung: YOUR issues with unity [13:54] wyoung: you cant say that in #ubuntu to others [13:54] lotuspsychje: of course I can [13:54] lotuspsychje: as it isn't false [13:54] wyoung: #ubuntu is meant to get your issues solved [13:54] wyoung: not to spread misinformation [13:54] you can give an opinon that is negative, [13:54] just be a bit thoughtful about how you give it [13:54] lotuspsychje: ffs, it isn't missinformation [13:55] ikonia: of course [13:55] I often say I'm not a fan of unity , but thats only because I don't like it personally (some features) [13:55] lotuspsychje: I respect ikonia more than you, even though he isn't affilated with ubuntu but likes to issue warnings [13:55] wyoung: stop messing around, [13:56] ikonia: I am discussing [13:56] you're still flogging a dead horse, [13:56] wyoung: your making it difficult just for yourself [13:56] it's just going to end up with you getting removed and banned [13:56] wyoung: with attitude like this, you wont take long in #ubuntu [13:56] there is no desire for that [13:57] lotuspsychje: with my attitude? yours is very rigidm have fun with that [13:58] lotuspsychje: and I have been visiting #ubuntu for many years, I will see you in there for a few more to come [13:59] wyoung: youl make a mistake very soon, we have seen users like you come and go... [13:59] lotuspsychje: you have been here for a few years too? [13:59] guys, maybe we could return to the ubuntu topic ? [13:59] lotuspsychje: I am glad we are in different time zones [13:59] wyoung: im using ubuntu since the start [14:00] ikonia: yes lets, unity has issues with keyboard focus, how about that/. [14:00] wyoung: I suggest logging a bug [14:00] wyoung: #ubuntu for support issues [14:00] 3 Gb to go .. http://i.imgur.com/WAnG9A4.png [14:00] OerHeks: nice one mate :p [14:01] My provider is cool [14:01] OerHeks: how much upload speed you got? [14:01] OerHeks: nice contribution [14:01] 5 mb .. but currently watching ip-tv on a win10 machine too. [14:01] lotuspsychje: thnx, I would suggest I channel for you (#stfu) but you won't fit in there [14:01] wyoung: that is not acceptable [14:01] wyoung: STOP with your language [14:01] and stop being rude to people [14:02] ikonia: acronyms are disallowed too/. [14:02] wyoung: yes, - it's clear what you are telling him to do and it is not acceptable [14:02] you said you have read the rules - this is being rude to someone, so stop now [14:02] ikonia: abbreviations and acronyms are not allowed? [14:02] it's not just the words - it's your intetion, stop talking to people like this please [14:02] ikonia: no, I am saying it won't fit into specific topic of a channels [14:02] ikonia: I wasn't swearing to him at all [14:03] it = he [14:03] ikonia: he's just searching for words that would bypass guidelines [14:03] or at him [14:03] lotuspsychje: yes, it's clear what's going on here, and it will end now [14:03] lotuspsychje: no, I am just not breaking the guidelines [14:03] Why is ubuntu-stufio-amd64 so populair this release? [14:03] wyoung: you are - you are being rude to someone stop it [14:03] or is it just me, seeding? [14:03] lotuspsychje: I am following them [14:04] OerHeks: perhaps by the new maintainer? [14:04] lotuspsychje, yeah, i read about that [14:04] OerHeks: I think a lot of the audio stuff was upgraded [14:04] OerHeks: gives a gew people another oppertunity to maybe use it for audio production, [14:04] cool [14:04] ikonia: that is just your opionion / Interpretation though [14:05] ikonia: you should rephrase that [14:05] ikonia: add some fluff to it [14:05] wyoung: is this how you want it to end ? [14:05] ok - enough now [14:05] this isn't going to work out for you [14:06] ikonia: if you think I am breaking guidlines then I thnk making idol threats is also breaking them [14:06] ikonia: so stop making them, [14:06] cfhowlett: OerHeks just asked what makes the new studio xenial so popular? he's seeding torrents [14:07] lotuspsychje: what is stuiod xenial? [14:07] studio* [14:07] !codenames | wyoung [14:07] wyoung: Ubuntu has awesome release codenames. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames for more [14:07] lotuspsychje, I suspect the US users are like me: LTS only. so this is like xmas time [14:07] lotuspsychje: studio is a codename? [14:07] cfhowlett: audio stuff + lts then? [14:08] audio + visual multimedia production [14:08] cool [14:09] lotuspsychje: code name for ubuntu? what version will be / is studio? 16.04? [14:09] I thought that was xenial [14:09] !studio | wyoung [14:09] wyoung: UbuntuStudio is a collection of packages for the artist who wishes to use Ubuntu as their Digital Audio Workstation. It contains all the best Audio/Visual components from the Ubuntu repositories. For more info and install instructions, join #ubuntustudio or see http://ubuntustudio.org [14:09] lotuspsychje: thnx buddy, that makes more sense now [14:09] lotuspsychje: does that include gimp? [14:10] man, do i love the ignore list!! [14:10] wyoung: you can download ubuntu studio and find out :p [14:10] pauljw, indeed! [14:10] I have had issues with gimp, I open up images and it changes / interrupts colours differently [14:10] :) [14:10] lotuspsychje: or I can ask in a disccusion channel/ [14:11] wyoung: you didnt read the guidelines? [14:11] lotuspsychje: unless you are going to be a ikonia about it [14:11] wyoung, dial back the attitude [14:11] wyoung: you think your real smart dont you [14:11] cfhowlett: lotuspsychje is bringing the attitude in here, I am just fling it back to him [14:11] wyoung, so very mature [14:11] flinging* [14:12] but the guidelines apply. even to you. [14:12] cfhowlett: no, I just look up to lotuspsychje as a role model, so I am following his lead [14:12] cfhowlett: I know [14:12] I suggest you just ignore wyoung for the moment, it will end shortly [14:12] cfhowlett: I am following them [14:12] lotuspsychje: nope [14:12] lotuspsychje: I think the world of you though [14:13] lotuspsychje: whatcha wearing? [14:13] OK I think we've seen enough. release the ban hammer [14:14] wyoung: im wearing a black t-shirty with UNITY IS GREAT! [14:14] cfhowlett: nah I think lotuspsychje and ikonia have learnt their lesson, go easy one them [14:14] one = on [14:15] lotuspsychje: and on the front it says "I like contradictions" [14:20] * lotuspsychje sit back and enjoys the show [14:21] lotuspsychje: can I watch? [14:21] /msg chanserv op #ubuntu-discuss [14:21] \/msg chanserv op #ubuntu-discuss [14:22] OerHeks: your op here? [14:22] he is now :) [14:22] : ) [14:23] ikonia: he's been trolling and misleading all week in #ubuntu [14:24] learn the lesson or be the lesson ... [14:24] I've just gone through some notes and found him unacceptable [14:24] sorry it took time to sort out [14:24] thank you OerHeks [14:24] ikonia: dont worry, he was walking on the thin red line... [14:25] ikonia: some trolls are harder to catch this way [14:25] more than enough rope, just needed a little help from OerHeks [14:25] :) [14:25] :p [14:25] which he delivered great [14:27] dtgr: welcome, how can we help you? [14:28] lotuspsychje: wrong channel ;) [14:28] ikonia: could be our friend re-visiting :p [14:28] they usually do after a fresh ban [14:28] just checking out IRC, anything special on this chan or smth? [14:28] nah, he couldn't keep his mouth shut this long [14:29] as long as he doesn't behave like he was before, he's welcome to a new identity [14:29] dtgr: this is the ubuntu discussing channel, how did you find us? [14:29] someone just linked from #ubuntu [14:30] dtgr, are you new to ubuntu/linux and irc? [14:32] lol [14:38] hey TJ- [14:39] afternoon :) [14:42] bbl guys pancake time :p [14:43] mmm... pancakes.... [15:13] I found the memory leak , it was the origin adblocker [15:14] :) [15:17] guess I'll just put up with the ads for now [15:18] origin didn't work well for me, don't remember what it did, but i switched to Bluhell Firewall and it works nicely [15:19] Doesn't that adblocker create a lot of traffic? [15:19] * OerHeks uses adguard-adblocker [15:20] BluesKaj: have you tried using "umatrix" - I've found that the best solution. it does the job of noscript,adblock,noflash and everything else and is really easy to work with and understand [15:21] some overview here (it's in the addons.mozilla.org and so on) https://github.com/gorhill/httpswitchboard/wiki/How-to-use-HTTP-Switchboard:-Two-opposing-views [15:23] TJ-, thanks ...looking [15:24] I love it, so slick compared to all the others, which feel klunky in comparision. click the icon, it shows the switchboard, generally allows of 1st-origin access but blocks 3rd party by default. Shows pink/red for blocked.. click in the top 1/2 of a square and it changes to green which means 'allowed' Click the 'refresh' icon and the page reloads. click the padlock icon to remember those settings [15:24] permanently [15:29] click the top 1/2 of a hostname in the left column and all that domain's common facilities are enabled... etc [15:31] tj easy for you difficult for me ...I don't see a sitchboard , only an example [15:33] sweems it's meant mostly for chromium , my default is FF [15:33] think I'll stick with Bluhell [15:37] BluesKaj: when its installed there's its icon on the taskbar top of the browser. click it and the switchboard shows where you cna control everything with a few clicks [15:39] biab [15:48] here's a screenshot of the switchboard opened on the BBC news site: http://iam.tj/projects/misc/umatrix.jpg [16:17] TJ-: how did you generate that [16:18] what? [16:18] that umatrix window [16:18] (sorry - I'm missing part of the chat on this it would seem) [16:18] the image? just used the snapshot tool to capture an area [16:18] sorry, I mean how did that information get generated [16:19] in the umatrix switchboard? that's what umatrix extensio does, it control access to all the resources on a page. that's its control panel [16:19] that looks very useful, I've never heard of it before [16:20] It's much faster and more flexible that things like adblock, ublock origin, noscript et al [16:20] same here... I got a tip about it on Hacker News in a discussion last year about AdBlocker [16:21] It's one of those tools that genuinely has a 'wow' factor and it doesn't get in the way, it makes it easy to reason and control access at a glance, temporarily, or permanently [16:44] jay, 100 Gb+ >> http://i.imgur.com/vDXDo7N.png [17:47] hey Bashing-om [17:47] lotuspsychje: Quiet Sunday ? Going well . [17:47] pretty active support today :p [17:48] Yeah .. been on a bit .. and has been steady . [17:56] bbl guys movietime :p [17:57] have a nice evening === JanC_ is now known as JanC [20:10] ikonia: I admire your patience .. see if hep7 ever gets help form me . [20:18] wyoung was the little brother of hep7 [20:25] are you guys starting a fan club? :> [20:28] fan club .. [20:32] there could be a volunteers hall of fame [20:39] In the dutch community, we had a ubuntero-of-the-month .. but that stopped when there was nobody left but me [20:39] :-D [20:39] ( to choose from) [20:40] http://wiki.ubuntu-nl.org/community/webteam/UbunterosVanDeMaand [20:48] :D [20:48] * OerHeks silly