[00:50] home again, home again -- and I think Scarlett is on the train from Seattle to Portland by now [00:51] <@sgclark2>: Yep [00:51] <@sgclark2>: Had a great time! ! [00:51] <@athoneycutt>: Yay === thelionroars is now known as [joker]sVinyl === [joker]sVinyl is now known as thelionroars [00:53] it was a great weekend [00:53] I hope to go a day early next year as well [00:53] really made it special [01:00] <@athoneycutt>: I can't wait till SELF [01:31] I rode in a train today too! It was a steam excursion from Greensboro, NC to Roanoke, VA and back. === mamarley_ is now known as mamarley [04:12] ahoneybun: there was a SELF table right next to us [04:12] loved their accents [05:27] ahoneybun: many belated thanks, dude ;) [06:10] hi ho [06:11] hi vip [06:17] <@marcinsagol>: @Valoriez have you seen what Eva wrote yesterday? [06:19] yes! [06:19] lovely to have another enthusiastic newcomer [06:20] imo first: work on our work structure, to get all possible pain-points out [06:20] then Plasma 5.6 [06:21] then conquer the world I guess! [06:21] I sure burned a lot of Kubuntu DVDs over the weekend [06:21] and a lot of pleased and happy folks told us that they run Kubuntu [06:22] of course we talked to happy users of many of the other flavors as well [06:22] helped an older gentleman this morning get his Xubuntu running k3b correctly for him [06:22] to backup his growing collection of movie DVDs [06:23] worked better than handbrake, which I was not able to get working for him, and neither was my son (while I was packing away computers, etc.) [06:23] but k3b saved the day after all [08:08] <@Valoriez>: @Clifford yes watched before I left for the conference in case we got questions. But we didn't! [09:10] * clivejo ponders the git move to LP [09:10] <@Sick_Rimmit>: /me wonders if he understands it correctly [09:12] hi :D [09:13] hi renee77 [09:13] <@Sick_Rimmit>: Hi there rennee77 [09:14] Rick: understand what? [09:14] do you know who to contact tomorow to assist in what needs to be done? [09:14] <@Sick_Rimmit>: Well the move from Git to LP [09:14] <@Sick_Rimmit>: I assume that is a move from GitHub back to LP [09:15] renee77: depends what you want to assist with :) [09:15] <@Sick_Rimmit>: Is it a return to Bzr also [09:15] from Debian Alioth to LP git [09:15] <@Sick_Rimmit>: We have a Trello board [09:15] <@Sick_Rimmit>: Ah I see [09:15] Rick: no, not bzr, LP now has git access [09:16] <@Sick_Rimmit>: Oh Ok [09:16] <@Sick_Rimmit>: Sounds pretty sensible move then [09:16] <@Sick_Rimmit>: put stuff in one place [09:16] <@Sick_Rimmit>: did u see Caly's post about PPa [09:16] ah that doesnt mather mailed through mailing list to help with 16.4 [09:16] basically is hard for us to get people comit access in Debian repo, so moving to LP would give us greater control [09:17] <@Sick_Rimmit>: Yes, and that is vital for us [09:19] I'll have to go be back later [09:20] but I fear it will fork us and lead us further from Debian [09:20] gl [09:20] <@Sick_Rimmit>: This eveing 19:00 UTC [09:20] <@Sick_Rimmit>: renee77 [09:20] ok tx :D [09:20] <@Sick_Rimmit>: I will be hacking on Muon, and Bug fixing etc [09:20] <@Sick_Rimmit>: I will be here in IRC [09:21] ok nice I ll join in [09:21] * clivejo is itching to get started on Yakkety [09:22] :o [09:24] clivejo: so we are waiting for a decision about moving to LP before any work can start ? === estan_ is now known as estan [09:34] I think the decision has been made, its just the technical details of how to do it [09:34] what branches we need, modify our staging scripts to use the new git archive etc [09:45] Has anyone seen this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1569674 [09:45] Launchpad bug 1569674 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "[Kubuntu] Fail to connect to wifi after a recent update" [High,Confirmed] [10:28] Open365 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Xqn14OtcuQ [10:29] clivejo: did you jumped ot YY ? [10:29] *to [10:30] huh? [10:30] ? [10:30] jumped ot YY? [10:30] what does that mean? [10:30] lol :D [10:30] jumped to YY = upgraded to Yakkety Yak -.- [10:31] oh [10:31] no [10:31] not much there yet :/ [10:31] its basically still Xenial [10:32] oki :) [10:34] aww the open365-client is qt4 :( [10:38] I think this is what Kolab are building into the webmail :) Looks sooooo cool! [10:39] oh its Kontact !! [10:40] oh man, I cant wait for this to be intregated in Kolab! [10:43] Its kontact in a web container, how does that work? [10:43] Hey all [10:43] hi BluesKaj [10:44] Hi clivejo [10:44] hiho [10:44] Hi soee [10:44] http://postimg.org/image/d7ef16n07/ [10:45] I think I can import my entire Kontact PIM into that cloud! [10:47] * clivejo is seriously impressed! [10:47] * mamarley just wants Plasma 5.6. [10:48] * soee seconds mamarley :) [10:49] mamarley, what changes make everyone want 5.6 so much? [10:49] I can't remember anymore; it has been too long. [10:50] its new and shiney [10:51] it is more stable, it has better performance, it si smoother it has some fancy features -.- [10:58] yofel: ping [11:03] * yofel listens to the echo [11:05] how do I put the git archives into folders [11:05] ie frameworks, plasma, apps# [11:06] so any idea which is likely to be first? plasma 5.6 for yakkety, or backport for xenial? [11:06] don't mind testing either or both in ppas [11:07] I think scarlett was going to work on backports for senile [11:08] Im more keen on getting the packaging moved from Debian to LP and trying to get a defined workflow going again [11:08] and getting peeps trained up on how it works :) [11:10] OK. if so, then may be a while on either then.... [11:10] probably [11:10] git-clone-all is probably the easiest tool to fetch the repositories [11:11] yup [11:11] and rm the remote [11:12] clivejo: I'll prob stick with xenial for now then, and see where things go. [11:14] yofel: what about the folder structure? [11:14] git.debian.org/git/pkg-kde/frameworks/kpeople.git [11:14] do we really need those? [11:15] git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/+git/frameworks/kpeople.git? [11:15] I don't think that's a valid URI [11:15] you would probably have to create seperate projects if you want subfolders [11:15] (if the names aren't taken yet) [11:16] I dont know, I thought it served a purpose for each of the three conponents [11:16] I know it serves some purpose for debian, but we never had that in the past [11:17] unless some script is crazy enough to glob the folder on moszumanska (which won't work with LP anyway) [11:17] and for a newbie (like myself) it makes it easier to understand what package is in which componant [11:18] hm... [11:20] I guess we could make LP projects with 'kde-${component}' as name [11:20] I personally always curse the subfolders because I often get the component wrong [11:21] you have lots more experience with this kind of stuff [11:22] give me some time to think about it [11:22] so whatever you think is best :) [11:22] 5mins enough? :P [11:22] no :P [11:22] LOL [11:23] I'm somewhat distracted right now [11:23] oh anything exciting? [11:23] work? :D [11:23] not exciting then! [12:06] https://open365.io/ [12:07] BluesKaj: Multimonitor handling should be much better in 5.6! In 5.5 it's mostly buggy or broken :-( ! [12:08] qt 5.6 that is ;-) [12:08] clivejo: you were trying to compile open365 clinet for Xenial ? [12:08] client provided by them has dependencies problems [12:10] mhall119: I've submitted the session proposal for Kirigami [12:11] allee: it works fine here on 5.5 :) [12:17] allee, ok thanks. I use just one monitor, it's my tv since this pc is also our media server [12:20] soee: Lucky guy. my college and I get lot's of crashes and other misbehaviour (both with intel driver). [12:20] oO [12:21] allee: ah you also mentioned qt 5.6 - this wont land in Xenial [12:21] probably in Yakkety yak [12:22] soee: With laptops I updates twice per year, so yes hopefully Yakkety Yak, will make my laptop happy again [13:00] soee: looks like it uses QT4 [13:02] soee: do you know how this works? It looks like the apps are actually running in a container or something? [13:03] with the output being streamed over the internet [13:08] clivejo: not sure, but it is a bit slow and looks not so good [13:09] http://postimg.org/image/d7ef16n07/ [13:10] Quite an old version of Kontact, 4.13.0.15 compared to 5.1.3 on my desktop [13:11] but it behaves as if the application is actually running somewhere [13:30] hey, can somebody help me triage this bug? I'm not sure what's going on https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=362096 [13:30] KDE bug 362096 in discover "Can't find apps I want to install using the "search" field" [Major,Unconfirmed] === ghostcube__ is now known as ghostcube [13:39] apol: there is something wrong - if i type some letters the main area is just white - no results, but sometimes it shows a list [13:40] also for example if i type slowly 'w' + 'e' it show some list but if i typoe same letters quickly than list is empty [13:41] like some timeout [13:42] soee: have you reported it? [13:42] now is suddenly started to show result more or less as expected [13:42] apol: no, i do not use discover [13:42] just tested now when you mentioned this bug [13:42] ok [13:44] soee: apol Yes, I have experienced inconsistant results with the search box in Discover. I cannot reliably reproduce it, thought. [13:45] though [13:46] Sometimes the search box does not work, but navigating through the categories does. [13:47] I see [13:48] well, if you manage to reproduce, please report and I'll look into it further [14:02] <@ovidiuflorin>: I see there is no backports ppa for Xenial. When is it usually created? [14:02] usually when we actually do the backport [14:03] sgclark was talking about staging a few backports for frameworks and plasma [14:04] but she was away for a bit and hasnt made a start on that, as far as I know [14:04] <@ovidiuflorin>: aha [14:13] Can the backports be created before the transition to LP? [14:14] I think scarlett was going to do that [14:14] Im not keen on that idea myself [14:14] usually we do dev first then backport [14:21] Right, and since I thought the decision was to go to LP for 16.10, and the general rule is to do dev first, then it has to wait for the migration to LP. But, the good news, is that I have a clean install of yakkety, and it went smoothly/ [14:34] mparillo, LP? [14:37] LP = LaunchPad [14:37] but Yakkety is basically Xenial at the momnet [14:37] with some of the new toolchain uploaded [14:38] marco-parillo: yofel is considering how we should structure the git archive on LP [14:39] I kinda like the way debian has separate folders for frameworks, plasma and apps, yofel isnt that keen on that idea [14:40] * yofel can't make up his mind [14:40] on one hand, I would like to just keep it flat so things are easier to look up (kde has no namespaces for offical repositories either). OTOH having namespaces might allow for more dynamic scripting with launchpadlib [14:40] but namespaces then again has the issue that we need to handle component moves and removals, which is a non-issue with a flat list [14:42] how does the KA scripts handle to 3 components? [14:42] is it just whats in a json file? [14:42] yes, and maybe some other plaintext file [14:43] frameworks = {a,b,c,..} [14:43] debian git has dead repositories as well, so you need to know what repositories are actually relevant [14:43] just because a repos is in frameworks/ doesn't mean that it's a valid framework [14:43] there are also some splits that need to be made [16:02] <@sgclark2>: Sorry. Slept in. I did not get much over the weekend. [16:03] <@sgclark2>: Much sleep === nodoubleg is now known as nodoubleg-lunch [18:55] * sick_rimmit Waves [18:55] o/ [18:55] Hi friends [18:56] hey rick [18:56] HI ahoneybunI bought a new Headset today, fixed my Big Blue Button problem [18:56] How you doing ? [18:56] sweet [18:56] fine, just got home from work [18:57] Ah cool, you work an early shift ? [18:57] 8:45am to 2:15 [18:57] pm [18:58] Oh not super early start then heh [18:59] nah [19:02] o/ [19:04] hi [19:04] o/ [19:04] Hi renee77 [19:05] heyo renee77 [19:05] * sick_rimmit waves energetically at sooe [19:05] * sick_rimmit waves energetically at soee [19:05] \o/ [19:05] * renee77 is wondering who I was supposed to meet now *blush8 [19:05] Me [19:05] * ahoneybun thinks sick_rimmit smoked something today [19:06] Mackerel [19:06] lol [19:06] :) [19:06] So I was just setting up Kdevelop for messing about with Muon [19:07] I understand that renee77 was looking to get involved with us Krazy Kubuntu Katz [19:08] Any idea on what you'd like to have a play around with renee77 [19:08] you did understand correctly ;-) [19:08] This is excellent ;-) [19:08] OK.. [19:09] no idea I am not this long around with linux, but learn very quick [19:09] What do you Fancy, Bugs, Docs, Packaging, Testing.. [19:09] plan to develop for healthcare apps [19:09] I fancy everything [19:09] Awesome ! [19:10] clivejo: ping [19:10] This very cool, as we have a few spaces in our community for people who like doing everything [19:10] I know a bit of c++ but not enough right now [19:10] lol [19:10] I bet you know more than me, and I'm now one of the maintainers for Muon [19:10] rofl [19:11] ;-) [19:11] Well I will be when I figure out how to commit the code the kde.projects [19:11] * sick_rimmit laughs [19:11] what setup do you want me to have now? [19:11] Do you work in Healthcare ? [19:11] yes nursing [19:12] Ah cool, have you come across GNU Health [19:12] nope not yet explored suse and debian (abandonned branch) [19:13] have been reading a lot about kernel config etc [19:13] and exploring hard ware in what possibilities they have [19:13] There is an interesting FLOSS Weekly Podcast, with Randall talking to the developers of it. [19:13] Might be interesting, I thought it was interesting [19:14] ok not knowing what floss is yet ;) [19:14] I for sure will think so to [19:15] https://twit.tv/shows/floss-weekly/episodes/288 [19:15] There you go ^ [19:15] FLOSS ( Free Libre Open Source Software ) [19:15] soee: pong [19:15] I am very determend to develop something what actually works for people who cant talk [19:15] Alright, that is most certainly doable [19:16] Have you come across Jovie yet [19:16] clivejo: iv been bussy few hours, you said that open365 depends on QT4 ? [19:16] It is part of the KDE Suite [19:16] sick_rimmit, take a screenshot of my app uBeginner on that M10 of yours when you can lol [19:16] ahoneybun: Sure I will [19:16] yes I intent to use the systesizerdb [19:16] looks like it yes, but I didnt look into it much [19:17] OK renee77 lets get you started [19:17] do you have a Launchpad account yet ? [19:17] nice [19:17] launchpad.net [19:17] * clivejo has been trying to sweep a chimney [19:17] yes [19:18] excellent.. [19:18] clivejo: and we do not have qt4 anymore in Xenial ? [19:18] we do [19:18] Fore warning her [19:18] Oh documentation is all over the place :-( [19:18] clivejo: so it is possible to compile client to make it work ? [19:18] We're are working on getting it sorted [19:18] soee: sure [19:19] but I cant see any source code [19:19] soee: why? [19:19] ah right, on this blog post they said they will publish it wen it will be ready :/ [19:20] is it a KDE project? [19:20] Our Kubuntu Bugs on LP always needs triage, fancy having a go at that renee77? [19:20] clivejo: not sure but related somehow i think [19:20] sure [19:20] * soee sees mysql upgrade [19:21] * clivejo growls at mysql upgrade [19:21] renee77: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-bugs [19:22] Joining this team, may prove useful, [19:22] renee77: Here is the Bugs list [19:22] https://bugs.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-bugs [19:23] ok [19:23] Take a look around, give me a nudge with questions, or when you've had enough poking about. I'll find some other links for you [19:24] Ok [19:26] 5 mins ofline moving to other room more screens ;) [19:29] yofel: ksnapshot is not installed by default in Xenial ? [19:29] soee: no [19:29] clivejo: why ? [19:29] ksnapshot is no more [19:29] ah right sorry forgot [19:29] replaced by spectacle === ghostcube_ is now known as ghostcube [19:31] spectacle is the KF5 replacement [19:32] the maintainer decided to rename it [19:32] right [19:32] and I think he rewrote the code from scratch === nodoubleg-lunch is now known as nodoubleg [19:47] just installed 16.04 on real hardware with 0 issues [19:47] other then the ones we know, no icons in favorites and oxygen icons on first boot [19:51] yeah, we just didnt get the package fixed up in time for the fav icons in kickoff [19:54] Do I need special rights to change the status of Bugs on bugs.kde.org ? [19:54] I can see how to comment, but not actually close, change state etc... [20:09] most likely [20:12] hi ahoneybun [20:12] heyo [20:12] how are you getting on? [20:18] sick_rimmit: how do you triage bugs on LP? [20:23] clivejo: I just go looking, usually do an advanced search and look at the new ones [20:23] some times I test it see if I can repeat it myself [20:23] or I make comments [20:23] I check where it's assigned debian, ubuntu, kde [20:24] mostly I fish about, trying to tidy up, and see what I can close [20:25] anyone know how to push all branches? [20:26] so when it affects debian you'll leave it alone? [20:26] Ive git clones debian git and removed all the remotes [20:26] now want to push that that LP [20:26] git push --all ? [20:27] renee77: a lot of our packages are shared with debian, so sometimes its better to report that bug to debian as well [20:27] we have a number of "upstreams" [20:28] Oh I'm sorry renee77I didn't see you rejoin [20:28] ah ok [20:28] kubuntu=>ubuntu=>debian [20:28] and kubuntu=>kde [20:29] ok but what bug is for what team [20:29] or no involvement [20:29] indeed some of kubuntu's package from KDE we go straight to debian :) [20:29] renee77: we have to work that out and point the bug in the direction to someone that can help [20:29] This is the guide I use for Bug Triage [20:29] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Triage [20:29] ah ok [20:30] It's the standard Ubuntu one, but I think it's quite well written [20:30] * sick_rimmit thinks hmmm, what's my top tip [20:32] Advanced Search [20:32] https://bugs.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-bugs/+bugs?advanced=1 [20:32] This is were the action is, I use this to filter out just the new stuff [20:32] or things that are incomplete [20:33] ok looks like medical database I will find my way there :D [20:33] There usually good pickings in the new ones, or bugs you can check if they're incomplete [20:33] I was reading all the bugs on the other page srry :D [20:33] renee77: welcome to the Kubuntu team! [20:33] * valorie was away for the weekend and missed welcoming you before [20:34] Thanks @valorie [20:34] bug triage -- what a great way to start! [20:34] hi to all [20:34] * clivejo cries [20:35] lol [20:35] \O/ [20:35] sounds like we partied all weekend, and are now back to work! [20:35] can't wait to see the move back to LP, etc. [20:35] valorie: thats why Im crying [20:36] clivejo: here is a handkerchief [20:36] clivejo: I thought you hated not being able to push to Debian git? [20:36] LP is not doing what Im telling it to do! [20:36] I dont hate it [20:36] ah, OK [20:37] I just see working with debian as a good thing [20:37] I was one of the boosters of moving to Deb.git, but it didn't work out for either side as well as we hoped [20:37] they aren't re-using our work as we hoped they would [20:37] I can see the pro's and con's [20:38] and it has become a barrier to entry on our side [20:38] well we dont tend to follow their strict guidelines and policies! [20:38] right [20:38] I hope that we'll continue to maintain our strong ties with them [20:38] meet with them at Akademy, etc. [20:38] renee77: With your C++ dev, what do you use for your IDE ? [20:39] just hope we dont fork too badly from them [20:39] is sgclark home yet? [20:39] just setup kdevelop [20:39] Ah cool.. [20:39] I think we are closer than Ubuntu proper is, and I believe that will continue [20:40] I am home and working on the backports [20:40] sgclark is home and it sounds like at least has her phone turned on [20:40] oooo [20:40] So you can get code for different projects for KDE software from projects.kde.org [20:40] workaholic! [20:40] sgclark: o/ [20:40] <3 [20:40] http://quickgit.kde.org/ [20:40] I went to bed early and slept late too, Scarlett [20:40] great [20:41] heh me too, well slept in till 8:30 which is late for me [20:41] Kdevelop will let you pull the code directly from GIT to a local clone.. You might need to enable the Git plugin in Kdevelop [20:42] The plugin I have [20:42] clivejo: uploading 5.20 frameworks to staging (xenial), but in no particular order, stuff will be broken for a bit [20:42] not puled in anything wanted to have a look at the "kde" parted app [20:42] and have to do each one by hand for even more fun [20:42] :) [20:43] have you pushed the status page? [20:43] no, you wanna? :) [20:43] sgclark: do you know how to use the directory name in do-all script? [20:44] clivejo: I have not yet got any of those scripts to work for me [20:44] I need to do "do-all git remote add origin lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/$package_name" [20:44] Hmmm. I believe that is called kparted [20:44] Search gives me nothing... [20:44] But I found [20:44] https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=partitionmanager.git [20:45] See if you can pull that project into Kdevelop [20:45] have you cloned kubuntu_automation? [20:46] uh of course. [20:46] did you setup the LP git in .gitconfig? [20:46] it is the new scripts that do not like me, the older ones I still use [20:47] sounds like you cant push? [20:48] sorry I am completely lost in this conversation. Why are we talking about my kubuntu_automation clone? I have no use for the do-all stuff right now. [20:48]