[04:23] good morning to all [04:24] Oh hey lotuspsychje Term relieve ? [04:24] hey Bashing-om switch of shifts :p [04:25] like you left it .. steady .. not a lot of drama . [04:25] great [04:26] >:D [04:26] lotuspsychje: http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-recommends-open-source-amdgpu-and-radeon-drive ' Thoughts ? [04:27] wrong url? [04:27] hey daftykins [04:29] lotuspsychje: Nope completes for me .. that last sentence .. I can not see a FGLRX driver when 16.04.1 is released . ??? [04:29] http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-recommends-open-source-amdgpu-and-radeon-drivers-for-ubuntu-16-04-lts-501556.shtml [04:30] wow that's a big change [04:30] omg... [04:31] are they gonna play pingpong [04:32] i had a user yesterday with a wily==>xenial upgrade on radeon saying all worked out like a charm [04:33] things are getting messy like this...fglrx comming back, snap packages unsafe for X11, windows with bash,...whats next [04:35] lotuspsychje: Gonna be a bumpy summer .. awaiting all this to settle out . [04:37] the tao of opensource :p let the changes happen while the inner force stays steady [04:37] wait, fglrx is coming back in 16.04.1? goddamnit [04:37] i was hoping we'd seen the end of it [04:37] what a soap [04:39] dax: they wouldn't do that...would they? [04:40] softpedia says ogra says they are [04:40] link? [04:40] lotuspsychje linked it earlier [04:40] http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-recommends-open-source-amdgpu-and-radeon-drivers-for-ubuntu-16-04-lts-501556.shtml [04:40] dax: Kinda do not think it will happen ; Xorg server 1.8 is patched to support the older interfaces too ?? Now that will be a trick . [04:40] erm, no he didn't. daftykins did [04:40] or fglrx gets an update [04:40] which, ugh [04:41] if ogra says its gonna happen, it surely will [04:42] ah. source is a Google+ comment, lol [04:42] "This has nothing at all to do with Canonical. The fglrx driver is not yet ported to Xorg 1.8 which 16.04 ships by default. So that fglrx had to be temporarily removed from the archive. Once it works on 16.04s Xorg it will be added back (most likely with 16.04.1). This was purely a decision by AMD (see their blog for more info)." [04:42] i wonder if ogra has more up to date info than the other canonical who earlier said it wasn't getting ported [04:42] not the first time a new release took a while to work with fglrx, heh [04:43] well, in this case there's the additional issue that upstream's trying to get rid of it [04:49] Welp, Guys, I am going to sleep on the FGLRX situation . I am sure will be brighter when Next I log on . [04:49] Bashing-om: sleep tight, dont forget to count the fglrx sheep :p [04:50] lol [04:54] one failed package build... two failed package builds... === lotuspsychje_ is now known as lotuspsychje [08:24] :p [08:24] EriC^^: fglrx is comming back to 16.04.1 [08:25] nuts [08:25] EriC^^: http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-recommends-open-source-amdgpu-and-radeon-drivers-for-ubuntu-16-04-lts-501556.shtml [08:25] oO [10:43] Hey all [11:36] hey BluesKaj [11:37] hi lotuspsychje [12:00] elky: Wierd, just had to restart because my mouse stopped accepting left clicks on the desktop, workedon the unity bar &right clicks worked on the desktop, but dead for left clicks on the desktop [12:00] grr, ignore the elky bit of that [12:00] Sorry el ky, didn't mean to ping you [12:03] DJones: I've seen that before; it happens when an application captures the mouse after a mouse-button-down but the mouse moves out of the window's focus area before the mouse-button-up, so the application still has the capture [12:04] Right, all I had running was Pidgin, terminal with ssh+byobu+irssi & corebird, I'll see if it happens again & try & identify what caused it [12:05] I did find a bug going back to 10.10 & 12.04 that had similar issues, but seens somewhat outdated now [12:06] !bug 1316873 [12:06] bug 1316873 in xorg (Ubuntu) "Left mouse button stops working" [Medium,Expired] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1316873 [12:06] Ah, thats 14.04 [12:08] DJones: the old bugs sound familiar, you may find my name attached to one, or in the comments :) [12:09] DJones: it's effectively a race condition obviously, but I seem to recall at some point in the distant past being able to consistently reproduce it for debugging. if my memory is correct I'd have added my results and code analysis to a bug report [12:10] Looks like there's a few similar reports, I don't see anything that I obviously associate with your irc nick, so may be a different one you've dealt with before [12:10] If it happens again, do you mind if I ping you to try & help debug it for a bug reprt [12:12] my launchpad id is 'tj' [12:15] here's at least 1 i commented on: bug 747585 [12:15] bug 747585 in linux (Ubuntu) "Mouse and Keyboard keep focus in one window" [Medium,Expired] https://launchpad.net/bugs/747585 [12:17] Cheers [12:17] Certainly sounds like it could be relevant [12:26] what the...Description: Ubuntu Yakkety Yak (development branch) [12:26] Release: 16.10 [12:26] time for a reinstall [12:26] lotuspsychje: virtualbox? [12:27] Or equivalent [12:27] no physical, i was on xenial daily and updated to final... [12:27] but seems like something is wrong here [12:27] still in dev version [12:27] * DJones hands lotuspsychje a medal for bravery [12:28] going back to xenial for few years :p [12:47] bbl reinstall [15:15] Description: Ubuntu 16.04 LTS [15:16] thats better [15:22] * EriC^^ running 16.04 :D [15:22] same here [15:22] i was stuck in yak [15:22] grrr [15:22] what you mean? [15:23] EriC^^: well ive been testing xenial daily until now, and updated to final [15:23] EriC^^: but seems like it kept upgrading to yak [15:23] oh [15:23] so clean install xenial now [15:23] man i'm pretty disappointed in xchat [15:24] xchat is depraced right [15:24] they did a whole overhaul of it [15:24] nah i dunno, i kept getting updates some times after people had said it's deprecated [15:24] i think the project isn't maintained much or something like being worked on etc [15:25] i guess as long as its in repos, its safe :p [15:25] this new xchat sucks big time [15:25] xchat-gnome [15:25] im on hex [15:25] you can't even change the highlight delimiter thing [15:25] lotuspsychje, [15:26] ouch [15:26] it's stuck at a comma [15:26] can't change the identd [15:26] and the colors suck, it doesn't even say at the top the channel count of users [15:26] let me printscreen [15:26] give me a highlight to see [15:27] EriC^^: hi! [15:28] http://imgur.com/kEwxilJ [15:28] default doesn't have a user list [15:28] lol yellow [15:29] yeah and the text doesn't even change color [15:29] i think i'll have to install hexchat with xchat skin [15:30] man they butchered gedit a little too [15:30] it's like the gnome gedit now [15:30] oO [15:31] what? [15:31] gedit [15:32] yeah kind of sucks i liked the way it looked/felt [15:32] seemed lightweight with features though [15:32] they removed the opt-in for amazon lens right? or is it just me? [15:32] http://imgur.com/b7BSYKt [15:32] check mine [15:33] nice [15:33] EriC^^: yeah amazon and online search is disabled by default [15:33] they reincluded the cloud thingy in nautilus though [15:33] when you hit the bottom or top while scrolling [15:34] yep [15:34] i wonder what goodies i'll find in dconf-editor [15:34] hehe [15:34] unity-tweak-tool has the launcher to bottom option [15:36] cool [15:45] !info gm-notify trusty [15:45] gm-notify (source: gm-notify): highly Ubuntu integrated GMail notifier. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.10.3-0ubuntu3 (trusty), package size 20 kB, installed size 313 kB [15:45] !info gm-notify [15:45] Package gm-notify does not exist in xenial [15:45] oh no [15:46] anyone knows an alternative for that? [15:53] they've done some cool improvements to 16.04 [15:53] lotuspsychje, apt-cache search gmail [15:54] EriC^^: yeah tested another one, but refuses my l:p [15:55] EriC^^: what changes do you like [15:55] which one? [15:55] gmail notify [15:55] well, i like that they added you can put the menu in the window title bar itself, and it shows when you hover over it [15:55] i'm probably not going to use it cause it's easier to just aim for the top left corner if i need something from a menu [15:56] but it's pretty creative and cool [15:56] yeah, but for windows noobs is nice [15:56] they made verything pretty intuitive [15:56] mouse speed [15:56] yeah lots of cool stuff [15:56] faster boot+ halt [15:57] drag n drop icons to desktop [15:57] i think they added a blacklist for uuid's in the launcher [15:58] updates notification, safely unplug notifications [15:59] cool [16:03] interesting [16:03] the terminal has a "read only" feature [16:03] right click > read only [16:03] yeah nice [16:04] EriC^^: do you also have the F11 un-maximize bug on terminal? [16:04] EriC^^: try a small terminal==>F11 full screen==> F11 back makes it 99% instead of small again [16:09] yeah [16:09] same here [16:10] existing bug of it exists [16:10] here's a neat little udev rule to have the system play a sound when a USB device is added/removed: https://iam.tj/projects/misc/60-device-add-remove-play-sound.rules may as well share seeing as it took a couple of hours to solve the pulseaudio permissions issue [16:11] TJ-: nice1 [16:11] Last I saw lundmar was doing well debugging the gnome-terminal issue [16:12] #ubuntu is bursting out 1974 users [16:13] I suggested he gdb step into terminal_window_update_geometry() and we found some details. what is happening is the window does resize to its former size but then, for some reason, it takes on the dimensions of the screen, deducts a bit, and resizes a 2nd time to those [16:13] i can't know [16:13] EriC^^: know what? [16:13] xchat devs, why? whyyy? :o [16:13] no channel count :p [16:13] : ( [16:14] EriC^^: why no hexchat? its got it all :p [16:16] EriC^^: xchat-gnome isn't "new xchat", it's a crappy old thing that nobody should use [16:16] you should be using hexchat, indeed [16:16] why was xchat removed and xchat-gnome placed instead [16:16] xchat-gnome's been in the repositories for ages [16:17] xchat was removed because it's unmaintained [16:17] is it another irc client called ex-chat [16:17] xchat-gnome really should be removed too [16:17] it sucks [16:17] people who were using xchat should be using hexchat [16:17] xchat2 was the newer version right? [16:17] yeah i think so [16:17] jpfarias: http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-recommends-open-source-amdgpu-and-radeon-drivers-for-ubuntu-16-04-lts-501556.shtml [16:19] lotuspsychje, oh gosh, it is coming back on 16.04.1 [16:19] lotuspsychje, any idea when the point release is scheduled for? [16:20] I don't see Canonical supporting fglrx themselves, not for 5 years, and once the LTS HWEs land and the X server version advances that'll break it moreso [16:20] jpfarias: 3 months [16:20] lotuspsychje, damn... [16:21] TJ-, well, the open source drivers just don´t work [16:21] TJ-, so I am stuck with 15.10 for now [16:21] which card? [16:21] jpfarias: but it's easier to fix those than try to maintain abandoned closed source code [16:21] TJ-, I have a radeon R7 370 which is kinda new [16:22] Unles AMD have changed their minds on keeping fglxr going but not told anyone but internal Canonical, and Oliver accidently leaked that inside info, I don't see an easy way to make it work [16:22] TJ-, true, it is easier to fix the open source driver, I agree, but giving no option that works is pretty bad [16:23] sigh, the last release tag for xchat-gnome was 6 years ago [16:23] the only way Canonical could do it would be to forward-port the API/ABIs of the older X server into the X server in 16.04, as a 'compatibility layer' to support the old, untouched, fglrx driver [16:24] well, i mean, fglrx is already an unstable pile of crap, may as well throw some compatibility shims in there and make it completely ridiculous [16:24] TJ-, I basically went from a working 15.10 system to a system that I can´t even boot with 16.04 unless I mess with the boot options and add the nomodeset or radeon.modeset=0, and then I can´t use X at all [16:25] jpfarias: I know... Desktop is a much abandoned cousin, it has collected a lot of regressions since 14.04 [16:33] right now i'm using the amdgpu/radeon driver which is open source but powerful like the fglrx? [16:33] EriC^^: should be [16:33] EriC^^: perhaps some high end gamer features missing... [16:34] EriC^^, which card do you have? [16:34] VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Thames [Radeon HD 7500M/7600M Series] [16:35] I got an [16:35] AMD Radeon R7 370 Series and it doesn´t work for me =/ [16:35] what doesn't? [16:35] ah like you get a black screen? [16:35] everything [16:35] yep [16:36] doesn´t even boot [16:36] jpfarias: clean install? [16:36] lotuspsychje, it was an upgrade but I tried to boot the live cd and it hangs on boot too with a black screen [16:36] jpfarias: nomodeset live working? [16:37] lotuspsychje, I tried booting with radeon.modeset=0 and the system boots [16:37] then I tried to modprobe radeon modeset=1 [16:37] and the system froze [16:37] jpfarias: anything usefull in the syslog after booting in? [16:38] lotuspsychje, I wouldn´t know [16:38] I can post it somewhere [16:38] jpfarias: would be usefull to check what radeon does exactly [16:38] what would be a good place to post that? [16:38] !paste [16:38] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [16:39] ok I need to reboot to get the file, I will be back in a bit [16:39] oh what file should I get? [16:39] or files? [16:39] jpfarias: /var/log/syslog [16:39] ok [16:45] !info colortail [16:45] colortail (source: colortail): log colorizer that makes log checking easier. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.3.3-1 (xenial), package size 24 kB, installed size 144 kB [16:46] this guy should be funneled back to #ubuntu [16:46] yep [16:47] anyone knows a paste service with syntax highlighting? [16:47] paste.ubuntu.com [16:47] EriC^^_: does it colorize? [16:47] yeah i think so [16:47] lemme check [16:48] EriC^^_: you know the command word for it? [16:48] you mean like | pastebinit -something? [16:49] EriC^^_: no, like syslog has colorized syntax highlighting to make it easier follow [16:50] !info colortail | EriC^^_ like this [16:50] EriC^^_ like this: colortail (source: colortail): log colorizer that makes log checking easier. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.3.3-1 (xenial), package size 24 kB, installed size 144 kB [16:50] you want to upload a syslog that's colorized [16:50] what's the 16.04 way to view syslog? [16:50] journalctl something? [16:50] EriC^^_: syslog has auto syntax highlighting [16:51] what command? [16:51] but regular viewers dont show [16:51] EriC^^_: colortail -f /var/log/syslog [16:51] jpfarias: lets continue in #ubuntu plz [16:51] lotuspsychje, ok [17:02] bbl fellas dinner [17:16] oh man, hexchat doesn't put a launcher icon counter [17:16] EriC^^_: i think there is a plugin for that [17:16] unacceptable [17:17] i'm forwardporting xchat [17:17] :p [17:17] !info xchat trusty [17:17] xchat (source: xchat): IRC client for X similar to AmIRC. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.8.8-7.1ubuntu5.1 (trusty), package size 278 kB, installed size 899 kB [17:17] (thug life) [17:17] xD [17:17] !info hexchat-indicator [17:17] hexchat-indicator (source: xchat-indicator): Hexchat Indicator Plugin. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.11-0ubuntu8 (xenial), package size 7 kB, installed size 29 kB [17:18] EriC^^_: nooo let it die ;) [17:18] :P [17:18] not on my watch [17:27] wow so much is fixed in 16.04 [17:27] lol, it is? i keep hearing about broken this and that :> [17:27] usb's get a new usb nautilus window in the launcher so you can open nautilus as usual [17:27] me too i thought it was nuts in the channel when it came out [17:28] i mean i tend to believe a lot of it is solely down to folk that upgrade, i don't believe in upgrades - more so when newer users may have their setups riddled with PPAs [17:29] yeah fresh install for sure [17:30] i had a mishap while installing, made a live usb, it froze during the install i/o error, it said squashfs can't read block or so, so i zero'd it out on another laptop and dd'd the iso again and reinstalled fine [17:30] :D [17:30] for some reason dd kept hanging while dd'ing the iso on the second laptop, running sync in another terminal fixed it [17:30] hrmm, cheap drive? [17:31] it was pretty cheap [17:31] i think it was like $10, it's a 16gb kingston usb 3.0 [17:31] i always see people using kingston i thought they were reputable? [17:32] i think them and SanDisk get counterfeits made a lot [17:32] i dunno, i got it from virgin megastore [17:33] hrmm [17:33] it's been crap though, i had arch on it before for fun and it kept dying out and stuff [17:33] who knows [17:33] do Canonical even sell ubuntu media anymore? [17:34] i think they do [17:34] seems like that's still a bit of a task to overcome for new folks [17:34] yeah [17:39] i wish they'd start making cool holograph kind of displays [17:40] :D [17:40] it'd be kind of silly moving your hand around though, it would have to be easy to use [17:41] like maybe they could track your retina movements and where you look at the screen it gets larger [17:42] :D [17:42] then the ads would fly in and obscure your view! [17:42] lol [17:43] if you move your hands like a gun [17:43] it switches to click ad mode [17:43] and you pull the trigger and they just disappear [17:47] like you make one gesture to snap a window [17:47] and then you can type on the holokeyboard [17:47] :> [17:48] and if you move with your whole hand like you're telling someone to go move to the left [17:48] it's like alt+tab [17:49] why don't holographic keyboards exist yet [17:49] they could put sensors at one side, and according to where your finger is, from the distance to that sensor they could know what button you want to press [17:50] i'm sure there's a million better ways to do it [17:50] no more pepsi spills on the keyboard [17:50] :D [17:51] hi Bashing-om [17:52] EriC^^_: 'Nother fun day in the neighborhood (?) . [17:52] http://www.brookstone.com/virtual-keyboard/796246p.html [17:53] wow there are already neat stuff for sale! [17:53] Bashing-om: yes sir [17:53] I am awaiting the day we have mind control . [17:54] it looks so stupid typing on the wooden desk in the demo video [17:54] xD [17:54] yes Bashing-om i've thought about that [17:54] just thinking and the pc writes [17:55] especially in bed sometimes [17:56] would be neat [17:57] Hey, looks real neat .. a Laser projection virtual keyboard ! Now that took some kind of programming interface with some great hardware rendering . Looks interesting ! [17:58] Holographics are comming , and will change everything we know about computers . [17:58] they go for $30-40 on ebay [17:58] O.o [17:58] That 2 hours time frame for a " [17:59] battery charge" ... that puts a halt on my wants . [18:00] yeah [18:01] doubles as a mouse [18:01] if they can do that with a keyboard [18:02] they should make like one that projects the os [18:03] or one box from the back it gives the os on the wall [18:03] and on the front a keyboard [18:03] If and when for me the virtual keyboard is a reality .. will take a L O N G time to adjust from my ole mechanical keyboard . [18:03] so the pc is like a tiny box you can put on a table and work on it [18:04] it makes even sounds [18:04] we can probably make it make a keyboard sound as usual when you press on it [18:04] Oh soon .. the computer will be on your wrist .. and talking to the big brother in the cloud . [18:04] then in the future kids will ask their parents, why's the laser keyboard make such as a weird noise [18:04] lol [18:06] I will miss the days of setting here - nice and comphy - before a terminal display with the tower at my side. Keyboard at wrist length way . [18:12] http://www.amazon.com/Leap-Motion-Controller-Packaging-Software/dp/B00HVYBWQO/ref=pd_bxgy_147_img_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=0FQQTEWFWE2PKTRM8F0W [18:12] yikes [18:14] with that and virtual keyboard, tiny pc and tiny projection screen it's like a futuristic pc [18:15] if somebody is able to put them all into a tiny box, and write an os for it for the gestures [18:15] i think maybe in few years later maybe? i wonder why they dont make stuff like that now? like marketing reasons? [18:18] EriC^^_: Uh Huh .. marketing ( economics) drives everything in our world today .. Bottom line is always the profit margin .. yuk ! [18:20] ^^ makes me wonder what kind of field I am poking my hands into .. Xrays and cancers are already of great concern . [18:20] true === EriC^^ is now known as Guest76018 === Guest76018 is now known as EriC^^ [18:46] wb lotuspsychje [18:46] tnx EriC^^ [18:46] ^^ +1 . [18:46] im tuning my netbook :p [18:46] hey Bashing-om [18:47] anyone knows how make non-active workspaces on unity lighter instead of dark? [18:47] eric has me caught up on the channel .. Lot of dafty stuff .. not much yet of interest . [18:48] what are you trying to say ;_; [18:48] no pun intended .. Yikes -- a bad choice of words there - . [18:53] ;) [18:53] just teasing, no harm done :D [18:54] i had a really dumb moment few mins ago, i wanted to see if "set as wallpaper" still behaved the same on 16.04 so i took a screenshot and set it, then after doing something else, nautilus wasn't responding anymore [18:54] i was xkill'ing left and right, nothing was dying [18:54] sudo service lightdm restart, and then everything was still there behind the login screen, i was like O.O [18:55] lol it was just the desktop wallpaper, the screenshot [18:55] lol [18:56] EriC^^: Unity blows my little mind ... KISS; so it is xfce4 for me . [18:56] aha redshift in ubuntu-software [18:56] !info redshift [18:56] redshift (source: redshift): Adjusts the color temperature of your screen. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.10-5ubuntu1 (xenial), package size 56 kB, installed size 311 kB [18:58] takes the stuff out your screen that damages the eyes [19:04] wb BluesKaj_ [19:04] 54 discussers [19:12] * lotuspsychje installing ccsm and wobbly windows [19:12] ;] [19:12] just had to dd a newer pfsense to an SD card for this little embedded router setup [19:13] daftykins: and working now? [19:13] yep nicely upgraded to their newest :) [19:13] ready for its' trip down to Spain [19:13] cool [19:13] 6 weeks early... bwahaha [19:15] EriC^^: that's an amusing trick for annoying coworkers, btw [19:15] have done it before [19:16] EriC^^: XD [19:16] yeah it's definitely very odd and confusing [19:17] i never like to admit when i click on window controls in a screenshot on an image site ;_; [19:21] having some connect probs ...too many devices for my cheap modem :-) [19:23] D: [19:28] both router and modem are inexpensive. but got decent reviews. tp-link [19:30] mmm i've had pretty good success with TP-Link gear [19:33] yeah. tp-link is on my ISP's recommended list [19:33] I have a switch of theirs that's been great for 5 years now. [19:36] a switch would be great if every device in the house was ethernet, correct? [19:36] yep. [19:37] I have one mounted on the back of my entertainment center. Goes to the TV, Xbox, HTPC, and another going into my office. [19:37] Just a little 5-port switch I got for like $30 on Amazon. [19:38] 10/100/1000 [19:38] no modem in it or? [19:38] no, there's a line in from the modem. [19:39] crap, i'm getting a permission denied for user _apt [19:39]