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tyhickshello16:37
mdeslaur\o16:38
tyhicks#startmeeting16:38
meetingologyMeeting started Mon Apr 25 16:38:42 2016 UTC.  The chair is tyhicks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.16:38
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tyhicksThe meeting agenda can be found at:16:38
tyhicks[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting16:38
tyhicks[TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report16:38
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tyhicksmdeslaur: you're up16:38
mdeslaurI'm on triage this week16:39
mdeslaurI just released mysql updates16:39
mdeslaurand will be going down the list16:39
mdeslaurI may be also fixing bug 1574670 since people still seem to be using that16:39
ubottubug 1574670 in update-manager (Ubuntu Yakkety) "ubuntu-support-status returns inaccurate information" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157467016:39
mdeslaurand that's pretty much it, sbeattie, you're up16:39
tyhicksthat'd be nice16:39
sbeattiethat's broken again? argh.16:40
sbeattieI'm in the happy place this week.16:40
sbeattieI have openjdk updates to work on, openjdk-8 are built and need testing, I think tdaitx might have openjdk-7 to the point where he'll hand off to me. not sure where openjdk-6 is at16:41
sbeattieI need to poke infinity about copying the libc6 updates I have ready to the -proposed pockets, as I'd like for them to go through that process before publishing to -security16:42
tyhickssbeattie: is that so you can get some extra testing?16:42
sbeattietyhicks: yes, I'd like to confirm that the buildds won't break before publishing.16:43
sbeattieseems ... kinda important.16:43
tyhicksagreed :)16:43
sbeattieI need to coalesce some of the stuff I've written about pie into a wiki page for packagers.16:43
sbeattieas well as sort out some of the failures being seen, and get some of my fixes sponsored.16:44
sbeattiethat will probably consume my week.16:44
sbeattietyhicks: you're up.16:44
tyhicksI'm on community this week16:44
mdeslaursbeattie: it's been broken since after 10.0416:45
mdeslaursbeattie: at least, the source data is inaccurate16:45
sbeattiemdeslaur: well, it doesn't backtrace anymore like it did in 14.04 for a while.16:45
mdeslaurright, yeah16:45
tyhicksI have 16.10 work planning to do16:45
tyhicksI'll be helping sbeattie with the PIE by default build failure uploads (mostly sponsoring but may need to help out more as he's juggling two big updates)16:46
tyhicksI have a number of code reviews to do (not MIRs)16:47
tyhicksand I need to come up to speed more on some snappy related things like interfaces16:48
tyhickssarnold: you're up16:48
sarnoldI'm on bug triage this week16:48
sarnoldand I'd like to review john's apparmor patches that he posted last week16:48
sarnoldIt might also be nice to engage in some serious yak shaving16:49
sarnoldthat's it for me, chrisccoulson?16:49
chrisccoulsonI've got Firefox and Oxide updates to get out this week16:49
chrisccoulsonIn addition to that, I need to spend some time on bug 132669716:50
ubottubug 1326697 in Oxide "GN (Generate Ninja) is coming" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/132669716:50
chrisccoulsonOther than that, I'll be working on bugs that are targetted for the 1.16 release (I need to make that list this week)16:51
chrisccoulsonThat's me done16:51
tyhicksthanks!16:52
tyhicks[TOPIC] Highlighted packages16:52
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tyhicksThe Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.16:52
tyhicksSee https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.16:52
tyhickshttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/python-requests-kerberos.html16:52
tyhickshttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/w3af.html16:53
tyhickshttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/node-marked.html16:53
tyhickshttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/percona-xtrabackup.html16:53
tyhickshttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/libxml-security-java.html16:53
tyhicks[TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions16:53
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tyhicksDoes anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?16:53
dokopie ... are any toolchain updates needed?16:55
dokowe fixed ocaml and ghc, anything else?16:55
tyhickssbeattie: do you know of anything?16:55
dokosbeattie, could you give me a list of packages with static libs, which need no-change rebuilds?16:57
sbeattiedoko: yeah, I can do that.16:57
sbeattietoolchain wise: bintuils, glibc will want rebuilds for sure.16:57
dokoohh, didn't do glibc yet16:58
sbeattiethe 'check' package is another one that trips quite a few packages.16:58
sbeattiewell a few.16:59
sbeattieI think the other toolchain issue I hit was go, but that should be addressed with the patch mwhudson sent upstream and has already been incorporated.17:00
tyhicksmdeslaur, sbeattie, sarnold, ChrisCoulson, doko: Thanks!17:00
tyhicks#endmeeting17:00
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meetingologyMeeting ended Mon Apr 25 17:00:55 2016 UTC.17:00
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tyhicksoops17:01
mdeslaurthanks tyhicks17:01
tyhicksdidn't mean to cut things off17:01
sbeattietyhicks: heh, thanks. that's okay, the rest doesn't really need to be part of the meeting.17:01
* tyhicks nods17:01
sarnoldthanks tyhicks!17:02
BenCo/19:01
rbasako/19:01
flexiondotorgo/19:01
micahgo/19:02
rbasakHow many is quorum? 4?19:04
flexiondotorgcyphermox, You joining?19:06
sil2100o/19:07
sil2100(sorry for being late)19:07
cyphermoxugh, sorry, I won't be able to stick around for the meeting19:09
rbasakI count 4.5.19:09
infinity#startmeeting DMB meeting19:09
meetingologyMeeting started Mon Apr 25 19:09:34 2016 UTC.  The chair is infinity. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.19:09
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infinity#topic Review actions from last meeting19:09
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infinitycyphermox to make membership changes19:10
infinityIz done?19:10
cyphermoxyes, iz done.19:10
infinitybdmurray to summarize meeting / send announcements19:10
infinityThat appears to have not been done since Sept 2015. :P19:12
infinityPerhaps time to revisit team reports.19:12
infinityDMB members who didn't consent to fill in feedback to Noskcaj19:12
infinity^-- Did people do this?19:12
BenCI don’t know what that is19:12
BenCIt was on the agenda last week, too.19:13
infinityI missed the last meeting which is, I assume, where this action came up?19:13
BenCLast meeting19:13
infinityOh.19:13
infinityWell, does someone know what it means?  If not, we should strike it instead of carrying it.19:13
BenCI think it’s left over from September.19:13
sil2100I guess this was some leftover from the previous meetings? Like the old old?19:13
infinitycyphermox: Any ideas?19:13
micahgyeah, at this point it's a new DMB and he should reapply if he has people willing to endorse his application19:14
infinityCheck.19:14
infinityI'll strike the action.19:14
BenCSo let it be written...19:14
cyphermoxinfinity: indeed19:14
infinityMoving on.19:14
infinityflexiondotorg: You here?19:15
flexiondotorgPresent.19:15
infinity#topic Martin Wimpress MATE PPU upload application19:15
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infinityflexiondotorg: Tell us all about MATE, yourself, your life histoy, and you'd cat's medical records.19:15
flexiondotorgOK19:16
infinityWhile slackers like me go read the application.19:16
flexiondotorgMATE is the continuation of GNOME2.19:16
flexiondotorgBut updated to support modern technologies suchs as gsettings, systemd and GTK3+19:16
BenCHow many other people are involved in the project?19:17
flexiondotorgI'm a MATE core team member and have been for several years now.19:17
flexiondotorgI also am chief executive minion for MATE Desktop team.19:17
flexiondotorgFor MATE, about 6 regular core contriutors.19:17
BenCDo you mentor contributors outside of the core?19:18
flexiondotorgAnd about 20 somewhat regualr commiters.19:18
flexiondotorgI do.19:18
infinityflexiondotorg: So, at a quick glance, even without any nitpicking interview bits, I'd say PPU for the 7 packages you listed is probably a no-brainer, *but* I'd also argue you made the packageset way too small.19:18
flexiondotorgI've mentored via GSoC19:18
infinityflexiondotorg: What's your argument for not including the entire mate desktop environment in this?19:18
* BenC wondered that as well19:18
flexiondotorginfinity, Orginally the package set included all of MATE.19:18
flexiondotorgI was asked to reduce it.19:18
micahgis this a packageset application or PPU?19:19
flexiondotorgI maintain mATE in Debian.19:19
infinityflexiondotorg: ORLY?  Who asked you to reduce it?19:19
flexiondotorgSo all of MATE is synced from Debian directly to Ubuntu without changes.19:19
infinityI mean, I assume the DMB, but I clearly missed that meeting. :P19:19
flexiondotorginfinity, I forget who asked.19:19
BenCIs there an existing package set that 1 or more of the other core contributors has access to?19:19
flexiondotorgBut look at the wiki history, you'll see I removed loads.19:19
infinityflexiondotorg: Yes, and that works well for you in the devel cycle, but you just signed up for a 3 year LTS, and you can't sync from Debian for that.19:19
flexiondotorgYes.19:19
flexiondotorgWhen the freeze happens I make fixes in Debian and then requestsync those to Ubuntu.19:20
flexiondotorgAnd that slow us up somewhat.19:20
infinityAnyhow, I think we can break this into two topics so we don't get bogged down in more confusion and delays for you.19:20
sil2100flexiondotorg: as per our IRC PM discussion, it's best to ask for more - if it's too much we would propose a smaller set then19:20
infinityDoes anyone have questions for Martin WRT the current package set request and his competencies?19:20
flexiondotorgSo if I was able to process those MATE syncrequests during freeze it would be a great help and also unburden the desktop, sponsors and release teams who I've leaned on quite a bit over the last 18 months.19:21
infinityWe'll attack the issue of the size of the set in a second.19:21
flexiondotorgShould I propose the MATE Desktop package set now?19:22
infinityRight, I don't see anyone stumbling over themselves to ask things.  So I'm doing this in two bits.19:22
BenCI’m good on competency and relevance of his application19:22
infinityflexiondotorg: Sec. :P19:22
sil2100Fine from my side, I already had opportunities to see flexiondotorg's work19:22
infinity#startvote Create a MATE packgeset (based on the current set in the wiki) and give Martin Wimpress upload rights for it19:22
rbasakI think flexiondotorg having driven the milestones speaks for itself wrt. his knowledge of the release cycle.19:22
BenC+119:23
infinity#vote Create a MATE packgeset (based on the current set in the wiki) and give Martin Wimpress upload rights for it19:23
meetingologyPlease vote on: Create a MATE packgeset (based on the current set in the wiki) and give Martin Wimpress upload rights for it19:23
meetingologyPublic votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)19:23
rbasakAnd with him maintaining in Debian, general upload access is a no-brainer. Together with his Ubuntu contributions.19:23
infinityBetter.19:23
infinity+119:23
meetingology+1 received from infinity19:23
sil2100+119:23
meetingology+1 received from sil210019:23
BenC+119:23
meetingology+1 received from BenC19:23
rbasak+119:23
meetingology+1 received from rbasak19:23
infinity#endvote19:23
meetingologyVoting ended on: Create a MATE packgeset (based on the current set in the wiki) and give Martin Wimpress upload rights for it19:23
meetingologyVotes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:019:23
meetingologyMotion carried19:23
micahg+119:23
infinitymicahg: We had quorum, you're too late. ;)19:23
infinityOkay.  So, second knock-off item.19:23
infinity#vote We believe the MATE packageset is probably too limited, vote to assign an action to Martin to propose a larger scope for review out-of-band or at the next meeting19:24
meetingologyPlease vote on: We believe the MATE packageset is probably too limited, vote to assign an action to Martin to propose a larger scope for review out-of-band or at the next meeting19:24
meetingologyPublic votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)19:24
infinity+119:24
meetingology+1 received from infinity19:24
BenC+119:24
meetingology+1 received from BenC19:24
sil2100+119:24
meetingology+1 received from sil210019:24
rbasak+119:24
meetingology+1 received from rbasak19:24
sil2100(would give that to him already personally)19:24
rbasakBut presumably we can start with his list?19:24
infinityrbasak: Right, hence why I did it in two votes.  We'll set him up ASAP with the current list, then expand it based on his proposed additions.19:25
infinityDelaying the former for the latter seems pointless.19:25
rbasakYeah that's what I was asking. I didn't think we'd just voted for that :)19:25
micahg+119:25
meetingology+1 received from micahg19:25
infinity#endvote19:25
meetingologyVoting ended on: We believe the MATE packageset is probably too limited, vote to assign an action to Martin to propose a larger scope for review out-of-band or at the next meeting19:25
meetingologyVotes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:019:25
meetingologyMotion carried19:25
rbasakBut I think it's safe to assume that everyone's fine with it.19:25
rbasak(or understood that already if it's just me)19:25
infinityflexiondotorg: Alright, you have an action to bring us a better/expanded list.  But we'll hook you up with the tiny list after the meeting's done.19:26
flexiondotorgThanks everyone, that's brilliant :-)19:26
infinityOh, and I'll take an executive action to make this retroactive to xenial, so you're not stuck mainintaining an LTS you can't upload to. :P19:26
BenCflexiondotorg: Congrats19:26
flexiondotorginfinity, That's even more perfect.19:27
rbasakflexiondotorg: what took you so long? :-)19:27
sil2100;)19:27
flexiondotorgrbasak, The DMB was on hiatus ;-)19:27
infinity#action infinity to update xenial and yakkety for ubuntu-mate packageset and flexiondotorg's upload privs to same19:27
meetingologyACTION: infinity to update xenial and yakkety for ubuntu-mate packageset and flexiondotorg's upload privs to same19:27
infinity#action flexiondotorg to bring us an expanded MATE packageset proposal19:28
meetingologyACTION: flexiondotorg to bring us an expanded MATE packageset proposal19:28
flexiondotorgThanks everyone.19:28
sil2100yw, congratulations!19:28
infinityOkay, and due to both the lack of psusi in the meeting and the lack of endorsements on his application, we'll defer him to another time.19:29
infinity#topic AOB19:29
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infinityNext chair is BenC.19:29
infinityWith a backup of sil210019:30
sil2100Uh oh!19:30
sil2100Ok19:30
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infinityI'd like to propose that someone actually fix the (&(*!%%! fridge calendar to (a) accurately represent the meeting times and (b) invite everyone with their preferred calendar email address (adam.conrad@canonical.com for me, please)19:30
infinityAnyone want to take that action?19:31
sil2100I could take care of that - never did anything to the fridge before19:31
infinityI might actually show up to meetings if my phone yells at me.19:31
sil2100Besides opening up for food and drinks19:31
infinitysil2100: It's not too hard to sort out.  Go nuts.19:31
infinityThe key is knowing the meeting times.19:31
infinityWhich I clearly don't.19:31
sil2100Ok, add an action item so I don't forget19:31
infinity#action sil2100 to fix the Fridge calendar to list DMB meetings at the right times and invite the current members19:32
meetingologyACTION: sil2100 to fix the Fridge calendar to list DMB meetings at the right times and invite the current members19:32
sil2100Thanks o/19:32
infinitysil2100: For Canonical employees, invite first.last@canonical (unless someone requests otherwise), since those are our work calendars.  You might have to ask the non-canonical people for their preferred annoyance address for gcal invites.19:32
micahgdo we want to take a poll for meeting times for the new board19:32
infinityWe're 4 NA and 2 EU, and no APAC?19:33
infinityShouldn't be hard to just find one time that works for all 6.19:33
infinityUnless we want to keep alternating to make it easier on applicants.19:33
rbasakI'm happy with the current timing. Evening for me isn't great but presumably that'd be a bit harsh.19:33
micahgI think that alternation is for applicants, yes19:34
rbasakSo alternating works for me.19:34
infinityKay.  I'm not picky, so long as I have reminders. ;)19:34
BenCbenmcollins13@gmail.com for my cal19:34
rbasakfirst.last@ubuntu.com for me please.19:35
infinityrbasak: ubuntu.com, really?  Not canonical.com?  Do you run two calendars?19:35
infinity(weirdo)19:36
rbasakOh, good point. I have no idea where calendar invites actually go when sent by email.19:36
rbasak@canonical.com is my gcal.19:36
meetingologyrbasak: Error: "canonical.com" is not a valid command.19:36
infinityRight, canonical.com then. :P19:36
rbasakBut I'm not sure sent-by-email invites work anyway.19:36
infinityrbasak: Right, the Fridge is more magic than sent-by-email.19:36
rbasakAh, OK. Thanks.19:37
infinitymicahg: Preferred email for gcal invites, for sil2100 to sort?  The rest of us can just use @canonical.19:37
infinityAnd I'd like to close the meeting.19:37
infinityWhich I'll do if no one has AOAOB.19:38
infinityGoing once.19:38
infinityTwice.19:38
infinity#endmeeting19:38
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meetingologyMeeting ended Mon Apr 25 19:38:50 2016 UTC.19:38
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sil2100o/19:38
sil2100Thanks everyone19:39
rbasakThanks for chairing infinity19:39
flexiondotorghttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MartinWimpress/DeveloperApplicationPPU19:40
flexiondotorgUpdated, please can you add me to the next DMB agenda?19:40
infinityflexiondotorg: We can probably review out of band, it shouldn't need quorum.19:42
infinityflexiondotorg: But let's revist between now and then and if no one manages to do it OOB, we'll put it on the agenda.19:43
flexiondotorginfinity, OK19:43
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