=== chuck__ is now known as zul === ghostcube__ is now known as ghostcube === jgrimm-afk is now known as jgrimm === Laney is now known as trmsu === trmsu is now known as Laney [16:37] hello [16:38] \o [16:38] #startmeeting [16:38] Meeting started Mon Apr 25 16:38:42 2016 UTC. The chair is tyhicks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [16:38] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick [16:38] The meeting agenda can be found at: [16:38] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting [16:38] [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Weekly stand-up report [16:38] mdeslaur: you're up [16:39] I'm on triage this week [16:39] I just released mysql updates [16:39] and will be going down the list [16:39] I may be also fixing bug 1574670 since people still seem to be using that [16:39] bug 1574670 in update-manager (Ubuntu Yakkety) "ubuntu-support-status returns inaccurate information" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1574670 [16:39] and that's pretty much it, sbeattie, you're up [16:39] that'd be nice [16:40] that's broken again? argh. [16:40] I'm in the happy place this week. [16:41] I have openjdk updates to work on, openjdk-8 are built and need testing, I think tdaitx might have openjdk-7 to the point where he'll hand off to me. not sure where openjdk-6 is at [16:42] I need to poke infinity about copying the libc6 updates I have ready to the -proposed pockets, as I'd like for them to go through that process before publishing to -security [16:42] sbeattie: is that so you can get some extra testing? [16:43] tyhicks: yes, I'd like to confirm that the buildds won't break before publishing. [16:43] seems ... kinda important. [16:43] agreed :) [16:43] I need to coalesce some of the stuff I've written about pie into a wiki page for packagers. [16:44] as well as sort out some of the failures being seen, and get some of my fixes sponsored. [16:44] that will probably consume my week. [16:44] tyhicks: you're up. [16:44] I'm on community this week [16:45] sbeattie: it's been broken since after 10.04 [16:45] sbeattie: at least, the source data is inaccurate [16:45] mdeslaur: well, it doesn't backtrace anymore like it did in 14.04 for a while. [16:45] right, yeah [16:45] I have 16.10 work planning to do [16:46] I'll be helping sbeattie with the PIE by default build failure uploads (mostly sponsoring but may need to help out more as he's juggling two big updates) [16:47] I have a number of code reviews to do (not MIRs) [16:48] and I need to come up to speed more on some snappy related things like interfaces [16:48] sarnold: you're up [16:48] I'm on bug triage this week [16:48] and I'd like to review john's apparmor patches that he posted last week [16:49] It might also be nice to engage in some serious yak shaving [16:49] that's it for me, chrisccoulson? [16:49] I've got Firefox and Oxide updates to get out this week [16:50] In addition to that, I need to spend some time on bug 1326697 [16:50] bug 1326697 in Oxide "GN (Generate Ninja) is coming" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1326697 [16:51] Other than that, I'll be working on bugs that are targetted for the 1.16 release (I need to make that list this week) [16:51] That's me done [16:52] thanks! [16:52] [TOPIC] Highlighted packages === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Highlighted packages [16:52] The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so. [16:52] See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved. [16:52] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/python-requests-kerberos.html [16:53] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/w3af.html [16:53] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/node-marked.html [16:53] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/percona-xtrabackup.html [16:53] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/libxml-security-java.html [16:53] [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Miscellaneous and Questions [16:53] Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss? [16:55] pie ... are any toolchain updates needed? [16:55] we fixed ocaml and ghc, anything else? [16:55] sbeattie: do you know of anything? [16:57] sbeattie, could you give me a list of packages with static libs, which need no-change rebuilds? [16:57] doko: yeah, I can do that. [16:57] toolchain wise: bintuils, glibc will want rebuilds for sure. [16:58] ohh, didn't do glibc yet [16:58] the 'check' package is another one that trips quite a few packages. [16:59] well a few. [17:00] I think the other toolchain issue I hit was go, but that should be addressed with the patch mwhudson sent upstream and has already been incorporated. [17:00] mdeslaur, sbeattie, sarnold, ChrisCoulson, doko: Thanks! [17:00] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [17:00] Meeting ended Mon Apr 25 17:00:55 2016 UTC. [17:00] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-04-25-16.38.moin.txt [17:01] oops [17:01] thanks tyhicks [17:01] didn't mean to cut things off [17:01] tyhicks: heh, thanks. that's okay, the rest doesn't really need to be part of the meeting. [17:01] * tyhicks nods [17:02] thanks tyhicks! [19:01] o/ [19:01] o/ [19:01] o/ [19:02] o/ [19:04] How many is quorum? 4? [19:06] cyphermox, You joining? [19:07] o/ [19:07] (sorry for being late) [19:09] ugh, sorry, I won't be able to stick around for the meeting [19:09] I count 4.5. [19:09] #startmeeting DMB meeting [19:09] Meeting started Mon Apr 25 19:09:34 2016 UTC. The chair is infinity. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [19:09] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | DMB meeting | Current topic: [19:09] #topic Review actions from last meeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | DMB meeting | Current topic: Review actions from last meeting [19:10] cyphermox to make membership changes [19:10] Iz done? [19:10] yes, iz done. [19:10] bdmurray to summarize meeting / send announcements [19:12] That appears to have not been done since Sept 2015. :P [19:12] Perhaps time to revisit team reports. [19:12] DMB members who didn't consent to fill in feedback to Noskcaj [19:12] ^-- Did people do this? [19:12] I don’t know what that is [19:13] It was on the agenda last week, too. [19:13] I missed the last meeting which is, I assume, where this action came up? [19:13] Last meeting [19:13] Oh. [19:13] Well, does someone know what it means? If not, we should strike it instead of carrying it. [19:13] I think it’s left over from September. [19:13] I guess this was some leftover from the previous meetings? Like the old old? [19:13] cyphermox: Any ideas? [19:14] yeah, at this point it's a new DMB and he should reapply if he has people willing to endorse his application [19:14] Check. [19:14] I'll strike the action. [19:14] So let it be written... [19:14] infinity: indeed [19:14] Moving on. [19:15] flexiondotorg: You here? [19:15] Present. [19:15] #topic Martin Wimpress MATE PPU upload application === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | DMB meeting | Current topic: Martin Wimpress MATE PPU upload application [19:15] flexiondotorg: Tell us all about MATE, yourself, your life histoy, and you'd cat's medical records. [19:16] OK [19:16] While slackers like me go read the application. [19:16] MATE is the continuation of GNOME2. [19:16] But updated to support modern technologies suchs as gsettings, systemd and GTK3+ [19:17] How many other people are involved in the project? [19:17] I'm a MATE core team member and have been for several years now. [19:17] I also am chief executive minion for MATE Desktop team. [19:17] For MATE, about 6 regular core contriutors. [19:18] Do you mentor contributors outside of the core? [19:18] And about 20 somewhat regualr commiters. [19:18] I do. [19:18] flexiondotorg: So, at a quick glance, even without any nitpicking interview bits, I'd say PPU for the 7 packages you listed is probably a no-brainer, *but* I'd also argue you made the packageset way too small. [19:18] I've mentored via GSoC [19:18] flexiondotorg: What's your argument for not including the entire mate desktop environment in this? [19:18] * BenC wondered that as well [19:18] infinity, Orginally the package set included all of MATE. [19:18] I was asked to reduce it. [19:19] is this a packageset application or PPU? [19:19] I maintain mATE in Debian. [19:19] flexiondotorg: ORLY? Who asked you to reduce it? [19:19] So all of MATE is synced from Debian directly to Ubuntu without changes. [19:19] I mean, I assume the DMB, but I clearly missed that meeting. :P [19:19] infinity, I forget who asked. [19:19] Is there an existing package set that 1 or more of the other core contributors has access to? [19:19] But look at the wiki history, you'll see I removed loads. [19:19] flexiondotorg: Yes, and that works well for you in the devel cycle, but you just signed up for a 3 year LTS, and you can't sync from Debian for that. [19:19] Yes. [19:20] When the freeze happens I make fixes in Debian and then requestsync those to Ubuntu. [19:20] And that slow us up somewhat. [19:20] Anyhow, I think we can break this into two topics so we don't get bogged down in more confusion and delays for you. [19:20] flexiondotorg: as per our IRC PM discussion, it's best to ask for more - if it's too much we would propose a smaller set then [19:20] Does anyone have questions for Martin WRT the current package set request and his competencies? [19:21] So if I was able to process those MATE syncrequests during freeze it would be a great help and also unburden the desktop, sponsors and release teams who I've leaned on quite a bit over the last 18 months. [19:21] We'll attack the issue of the size of the set in a second. [19:22] Should I propose the MATE Desktop package set now? [19:22] Right, I don't see anyone stumbling over themselves to ask things. So I'm doing this in two bits. [19:22] I’m good on competency and relevance of his application [19:22] flexiondotorg: Sec. :P [19:22] Fine from my side, I already had opportunities to see flexiondotorg's work [19:22] #startvote Create a MATE packgeset (based on the current set in the wiki) and give Martin Wimpress upload rights for it [19:22] I think flexiondotorg having driven the milestones speaks for itself wrt. his knowledge of the release cycle. [19:23] +1 [19:23] #vote Create a MATE packgeset (based on the current set in the wiki) and give Martin Wimpress upload rights for it [19:23] Please vote on: Create a MATE packgeset (based on the current set in the wiki) and give Martin Wimpress upload rights for it [19:23] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) [19:23] And with him maintaining in Debian, general upload access is a no-brainer. Together with his Ubuntu contributions. [19:23] Better. [19:23] +1 [19:23] +1 received from infinity [19:23] +1 [19:23] +1 received from sil2100 [19:23] +1 [19:23] +1 received from BenC [19:23] +1 [19:23] +1 received from rbasak [19:23] #endvote [19:23] Voting ended on: Create a MATE packgeset (based on the current set in the wiki) and give Martin Wimpress upload rights for it [19:23] Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 [19:23] Motion carried [19:23] +1 [19:23] micahg: We had quorum, you're too late. ;) [19:23] Okay. So, second knock-off item. [19:24] #vote We believe the MATE packageset is probably too limited, vote to assign an action to Martin to propose a larger scope for review out-of-band or at the next meeting [19:24] Please vote on: We believe the MATE packageset is probably too limited, vote to assign an action to Martin to propose a larger scope for review out-of-band or at the next meeting [19:24] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) [19:24] +1 [19:24] +1 received from infinity [19:24] +1 [19:24] +1 received from BenC [19:24] +1 [19:24] +1 received from sil2100 [19:24] +1 [19:24] +1 received from rbasak [19:24] (would give that to him already personally) [19:24] But presumably we can start with his list? [19:25] rbasak: Right, hence why I did it in two votes. We'll set him up ASAP with the current list, then expand it based on his proposed additions. [19:25] Delaying the former for the latter seems pointless. [19:25] Yeah that's what I was asking. I didn't think we'd just voted for that :) [19:25] +1 [19:25] +1 received from micahg [19:25] #endvote [19:25] Voting ended on: We believe the MATE packageset is probably too limited, vote to assign an action to Martin to propose a larger scope for review out-of-band or at the next meeting [19:25] Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 [19:25] Motion carried [19:25] But I think it's safe to assume that everyone's fine with it. [19:25] (or understood that already if it's just me) [19:26] flexiondotorg: Alright, you have an action to bring us a better/expanded list. But we'll hook you up with the tiny list after the meeting's done. [19:26] Thanks everyone, that's brilliant :-) [19:26] Oh, and I'll take an executive action to make this retroactive to xenial, so you're not stuck mainintaining an LTS you can't upload to. :P [19:26] flexiondotorg: Congrats [19:27] infinity, That's even more perfect. [19:27] flexiondotorg: what took you so long? :-) [19:27] ;) [19:27] rbasak, The DMB was on hiatus ;-) [19:27] #action infinity to update xenial and yakkety for ubuntu-mate packageset and flexiondotorg's upload privs to same [19:27] ACTION: infinity to update xenial and yakkety for ubuntu-mate packageset and flexiondotorg's upload privs to same [19:28] #action flexiondotorg to bring us an expanded MATE packageset proposal [19:28] ACTION: flexiondotorg to bring us an expanded MATE packageset proposal [19:28] Thanks everyone. [19:28] yw, congratulations! [19:29] Okay, and due to both the lack of psusi in the meeting and the lack of endorsements on his application, we'll defer him to another time. [19:29] #topic AOB === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | DMB meeting | Current topic: AOB [19:29] Next chair is BenC. [19:30] With a backup of sil2100 [19:30] Uh oh! [19:30] Ok === ghostcube_ is now known as ghostcube [19:30] I'd like to propose that someone actually fix the (&(*!%%! fridge calendar to (a) accurately represent the meeting times and (b) invite everyone with their preferred calendar email address (adam.conrad@canonical.com for me, please) [19:31] Anyone want to take that action? [19:31] I could take care of that - never did anything to the fridge before [19:31] I might actually show up to meetings if my phone yells at me. [19:31] Besides opening up for food and drinks [19:31] sil2100: It's not too hard to sort out. Go nuts. [19:31] The key is knowing the meeting times. [19:31] Which I clearly don't. [19:31] Ok, add an action item so I don't forget [19:32] #action sil2100 to fix the Fridge calendar to list DMB meetings at the right times and invite the current members [19:32] ACTION: sil2100 to fix the Fridge calendar to list DMB meetings at the right times and invite the current members [19:32] Thanks o/ [19:32] sil2100: For Canonical employees, invite first.last@canonical (unless someone requests otherwise), since those are our work calendars. You might have to ask the non-canonical people for their preferred annoyance address for gcal invites. [19:32] do we want to take a poll for meeting times for the new board [19:33] We're 4 NA and 2 EU, and no APAC? [19:33] Shouldn't be hard to just find one time that works for all 6. [19:33] Unless we want to keep alternating to make it easier on applicants. [19:33] I'm happy with the current timing. Evening for me isn't great but presumably that'd be a bit harsh. [19:34] I think that alternation is for applicants, yes [19:34] So alternating works for me. [19:34] Kay. I'm not picky, so long as I have reminders. ;) [19:34] benmcollins13@gmail.com for my cal [19:35] first.last@ubuntu.com for me please. [19:35] rbasak: ubuntu.com, really? Not canonical.com? Do you run two calendars? [19:36] (weirdo) [19:36] Oh, good point. I have no idea where calendar invites actually go when sent by email. [19:36] @canonical.com is my gcal. [19:36] rbasak: Error: "canonical.com" is not a valid command. [19:36] Right, canonical.com then. :P [19:36] But I'm not sure sent-by-email invites work anyway. [19:36] rbasak: Right, the Fridge is more magic than sent-by-email. [19:37] Ah, OK. Thanks. [19:37] micahg: Preferred email for gcal invites, for sil2100 to sort? The rest of us can just use @canonical. [19:37] And I'd like to close the meeting. [19:38] Which I'll do if no one has AOAOB. [19:38] Going once. [19:38] Twice. [19:38] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [19:38] Meeting ended Mon Apr 25 19:38:50 2016 UTC. [19:38] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-04-25-19.09.moin.txt [19:38] o/ [19:39] Thanks everyone [19:39] Thanks for chairing infinity [19:40] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MartinWimpress/DeveloperApplicationPPU [19:40] Updated, please can you add me to the next DMB agenda? [19:42] flexiondotorg: We can probably review out of band, it shouldn't need quorum. [19:43] flexiondotorg: But let's revist between now and then and if no one manages to do it OOB, we'll put it on the agenda. [19:43] infinity, OK === czajkows1i is now known as czajkowski