[16:37] <tyhicks> hello
[16:38] <mdeslaur> \o
[16:38] <tyhicks> #startmeeting
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[16:38] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[16:38] <tyhicks> mdeslaur: you're up
[16:39] <mdeslaur> I'm on triage this week
[16:39] <mdeslaur> I just released mysql updates
[16:39] <mdeslaur> and will be going down the list
[16:39] <mdeslaur> I may be also fixing bug 1574670 since people still seem to be using that
[16:39] <mdeslaur> and that's pretty much it, sbeattie, you're up
[16:39] <tyhicks> that'd be nice
[16:40] <sbeattie> that's broken again? argh.
[16:40] <sbeattie> I'm in the happy place this week.
[16:41] <sbeattie> I have openjdk updates to work on, openjdk-8 are built and need testing, I think tdaitx might have openjdk-7 to the point where he'll hand off to me. not sure where openjdk-6 is at
[16:42] <sbeattie> I need to poke infinity about copying the libc6 updates I have ready to the -proposed pockets, as I'd like for them to go through that process before publishing to -security
[16:42] <tyhicks> sbeattie: is that so you can get some extra testing?
[16:43] <sbeattie> tyhicks: yes, I'd like to confirm that the buildds won't break before publishing.
[16:43] <sbeattie> seems ... kinda important.
[16:43] <tyhicks> agreed :)
[16:43] <sbeattie> I need to coalesce some of the stuff I've written about pie into a wiki page for packagers.
[16:44] <sbeattie> as well as sort out some of the failures being seen, and get some of my fixes sponsored.
[16:44] <sbeattie> that will probably consume my week.
[16:44] <sbeattie> tyhicks: you're up.
[16:44] <tyhicks> I'm on community this week
[16:45] <mdeslaur> sbeattie: it's been broken since after 10.04
[16:45] <mdeslaur> sbeattie: at least, the source data is inaccurate
[16:45] <sbeattie> mdeslaur: well, it doesn't backtrace anymore like it did in 14.04 for a while.
[16:45] <mdeslaur> right, yeah
[16:45] <tyhicks> I have 16.10 work planning to do
[16:46] <tyhicks> I'll be helping sbeattie with the PIE by default build failure uploads (mostly sponsoring but may need to help out more as he's juggling two big updates)
[16:47] <tyhicks> I have a number of code reviews to do (not MIRs)
[16:48] <tyhicks> and I need to come up to speed more on some snappy related things like interfaces
[16:48] <tyhicks> sarnold: you're up
[16:48] <sarnold> I'm on bug triage this week
[16:48] <sarnold> and I'd like to review john's apparmor patches that he posted last week
[16:49] <sarnold> It might also be nice to engage in some serious yak shaving
[16:49] <sarnold> that's it for me, chrisccoulson?
[16:49] <chrisccoulson> I've got Firefox and Oxide updates to get out this week
[16:50] <chrisccoulson> In addition to that, I need to spend some time on bug 1326697
[16:51] <chrisccoulson> Other than that, I'll be working on bugs that are targetted for the 1.16 release (I need to make that list this week)
[16:51] <chrisccoulson> That's me done
[16:52] <tyhicks> thanks!
[16:52] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[16:52] <tyhicks> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[16:52] <tyhicks> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[16:52] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/python-requests-kerberos.html
[16:53] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/w3af.html
[16:53] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/node-marked.html
[16:53] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/percona-xtrabackup.html
[16:53] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/libxml-security-java.html
[16:53] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[16:53] <tyhicks> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[16:55] <doko> pie ... are any toolchain updates needed?
[16:55] <doko> we fixed ocaml and ghc, anything else?
[16:55] <tyhicks> sbeattie: do you know of anything?
[16:57] <doko> sbeattie, could you give me a list of packages with static libs, which need no-change rebuilds?
[16:57] <sbeattie> doko: yeah, I can do that.
[16:57] <sbeattie> toolchain wise: bintuils, glibc will want rebuilds for sure.
[16:58] <doko> ohh, didn't do glibc yet
[16:58] <sbeattie> the 'check' package is another one that trips quite a few packages.
[16:59] <sbeattie> well a few.
[17:00] <sbeattie> I think the other toolchain issue I hit was go, but that should be addressed with the patch mwhudson sent upstream and has already been incorporated.
[17:00] <tyhicks> mdeslaur, sbeattie, sarnold, ChrisCoulson, doko: Thanks!
[17:00] <tyhicks> #endmeeting
[17:00] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Apr 25 17:00:55 2016 UTC.
[17:00] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-04-25-16.38.moin.txt
[17:01] <tyhicks> oops
[17:01] <mdeslaur> thanks tyhicks
[17:01] <tyhicks> didn't mean to cut things off
[17:01] <sbeattie> tyhicks: heh, thanks. that's okay, the rest doesn't really need to be part of the meeting.
[17:01]  * tyhicks nods
[17:02] <sarnold> thanks tyhicks!
[19:01] <BenC> o/
[19:01] <rbasak> o/
[19:01] <flexiondotorg> o/
[19:02] <micahg> o/
[19:04] <rbasak> How many is quorum? 4?
[19:06] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, You joining?
[19:07] <sil2100> o/
[19:07] <sil2100> (sorry for being late)
[19:09] <cyphermox> ugh, sorry, I won't be able to stick around for the meeting
[19:09] <rbasak> I count 4.5.
[19:09] <infinity> #startmeeting DMB meeting
[19:09] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Apr 25 19:09:34 2016 UTC.  The chair is infinity. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[19:09] <infinity> #topic Review actions from last meeting
[19:10] <infinity> cyphermox to make membership changes
[19:10] <infinity> Iz done?
[19:10] <cyphermox> yes, iz done.
[19:10] <infinity> bdmurray to summarize meeting / send announcements
[19:12] <infinity> That appears to have not been done since Sept 2015. :P
[19:12] <infinity> Perhaps time to revisit team reports.
[19:12] <infinity> DMB members who didn't consent to fill in feedback to Noskcaj
[19:12] <infinity> ^-- Did people do this?
[19:12] <BenC> I don’t know what that is
[19:13] <BenC> It was on the agenda last week, too.
[19:13] <infinity> I missed the last meeting which is, I assume, where this action came up?
[19:13] <BenC> Last meeting
[19:13] <infinity> Oh.
[19:13] <infinity> Well, does someone know what it means?  If not, we should strike it instead of carrying it.
[19:13] <BenC> I think it’s left over from September.
[19:13] <sil2100> I guess this was some leftover from the previous meetings? Like the old old?
[19:13] <infinity> cyphermox: Any ideas?
[19:14] <micahg> yeah, at this point it's a new DMB and he should reapply if he has people willing to endorse his application
[19:14] <infinity> Check.
[19:14] <infinity> I'll strike the action.
[19:14] <BenC> So let it be written...
[19:14] <cyphermox> infinity: indeed
[19:14] <infinity> Moving on.
[19:15] <infinity> flexiondotorg: You here?
[19:15] <flexiondotorg> Present.
[19:15] <infinity> #topic Martin Wimpress MATE PPU upload application
[19:15] <infinity> flexiondotorg: Tell us all about MATE, yourself, your life histoy, and you'd cat's medical records.
[19:16] <flexiondotorg> OK
[19:16] <infinity> While slackers like me go read the application.
[19:16] <flexiondotorg> MATE is the continuation of GNOME2.
[19:16] <flexiondotorg> But updated to support modern technologies suchs as gsettings, systemd and GTK3+
[19:17] <BenC> How many other people are involved in the project?
[19:17] <flexiondotorg> I'm a MATE core team member and have been for several years now.
[19:17] <flexiondotorg> I also am chief executive minion for MATE Desktop team.
[19:17] <flexiondotorg> For MATE, about 6 regular core contriutors.
[19:18] <BenC> Do you mentor contributors outside of the core?
[19:18] <flexiondotorg> And about 20 somewhat regualr commiters.
[19:18] <flexiondotorg> I do.
[19:18] <infinity> flexiondotorg: So, at a quick glance, even without any nitpicking interview bits, I'd say PPU for the 7 packages you listed is probably a no-brainer, *but* I'd also argue you made the packageset way too small.
[19:18] <flexiondotorg> I've mentored via GSoC
[19:18] <infinity> flexiondotorg: What's your argument for not including the entire mate desktop environment in this?
[19:18]  * BenC wondered that as well
[19:18] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Orginally the package set included all of MATE.
[19:18] <flexiondotorg> I was asked to reduce it.
[19:19] <micahg> is this a packageset application or PPU?
[19:19] <flexiondotorg> I maintain mATE in Debian.
[19:19] <infinity> flexiondotorg: ORLY?  Who asked you to reduce it?
[19:19] <flexiondotorg> So all of MATE is synced from Debian directly to Ubuntu without changes.
[19:19] <infinity> I mean, I assume the DMB, but I clearly missed that meeting. :P
[19:19] <flexiondotorg> infinity, I forget who asked.
[19:19] <BenC> Is there an existing package set that 1 or more of the other core contributors has access to?
[19:19] <flexiondotorg> But look at the wiki history, you'll see I removed loads.
[19:19] <infinity> flexiondotorg: Yes, and that works well for you in the devel cycle, but you just signed up for a 3 year LTS, and you can't sync from Debian for that.
[19:19] <flexiondotorg> Yes.
[19:20] <flexiondotorg> When the freeze happens I make fixes in Debian and then requestsync those to Ubuntu.
[19:20] <flexiondotorg> And that slow us up somewhat.
[19:20] <infinity> Anyhow, I think we can break this into two topics so we don't get bogged down in more confusion and delays for you.
[19:20] <sil2100> flexiondotorg: as per our IRC PM discussion, it's best to ask for more - if it's too much we would propose a smaller set then
[19:20] <infinity> Does anyone have questions for Martin WRT the current package set request and his competencies?
[19:21] <flexiondotorg> So if I was able to process those MATE syncrequests during freeze it would be a great help and also unburden the desktop, sponsors and release teams who I've leaned on quite a bit over the last 18 months.
[19:21] <infinity> We'll attack the issue of the size of the set in a second.
[19:22] <flexiondotorg> Should I propose the MATE Desktop package set now?
[19:22] <infinity> Right, I don't see anyone stumbling over themselves to ask things.  So I'm doing this in two bits.
[19:22] <BenC> I’m good on competency and relevance of his application
[19:22] <infinity> flexiondotorg: Sec. :P
[19:22] <sil2100> Fine from my side, I already had opportunities to see flexiondotorg's work
[19:22] <infinity> #startvote Create a MATE packgeset (based on the current set in the wiki) and give Martin Wimpress upload rights for it
[19:22] <rbasak> I think flexiondotorg having driven the milestones speaks for itself wrt. his knowledge of the release cycle.
[19:23] <BenC> +1
[19:23] <infinity> #vote Create a MATE packgeset (based on the current set in the wiki) and give Martin Wimpress upload rights for it
[19:23] <meetingology> Please vote on: Create a MATE packgeset (based on the current set in the wiki) and give Martin Wimpress upload rights for it
[19:23] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[19:23] <rbasak> And with him maintaining in Debian, general upload access is a no-brainer. Together with his Ubuntu contributions.
[19:23] <infinity> Better.
[19:23] <infinity> +1
[19:23] <meetingology> +1 received from infinity
[19:23] <sil2100> +1
[19:23] <meetingology> +1 received from sil2100
[19:23] <BenC> +1
[19:23] <meetingology> +1 received from BenC
[19:23] <rbasak> +1
[19:23] <meetingology> +1 received from rbasak
[19:23] <infinity> #endvote
[19:23] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Create a MATE packgeset (based on the current set in the wiki) and give Martin Wimpress upload rights for it
[19:23] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[19:23] <meetingology> Motion carried
[19:23] <micahg> +1
[19:23] <infinity> micahg: We had quorum, you're too late. ;)
[19:23] <infinity> Okay.  So, second knock-off item.
[19:24] <infinity> #vote We believe the MATE packageset is probably too limited, vote to assign an action to Martin to propose a larger scope for review out-of-band or at the next meeting
[19:24] <meetingology> Please vote on: We believe the MATE packageset is probably too limited, vote to assign an action to Martin to propose a larger scope for review out-of-band or at the next meeting
[19:24] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[19:24] <infinity> +1
[19:24] <meetingology> +1 received from infinity
[19:24] <BenC> +1
[19:24] <meetingology> +1 received from BenC
[19:24] <sil2100> +1
[19:24] <meetingology> +1 received from sil2100
[19:24] <rbasak> +1
[19:24] <meetingology> +1 received from rbasak
[19:24] <sil2100> (would give that to him already personally)
[19:24] <rbasak> But presumably we can start with his list?
[19:25] <infinity> rbasak: Right, hence why I did it in two votes.  We'll set him up ASAP with the current list, then expand it based on his proposed additions.
[19:25] <infinity> Delaying the former for the latter seems pointless.
[19:25] <rbasak> Yeah that's what I was asking. I didn't think we'd just voted for that :)
[19:25] <micahg> +1
[19:25] <meetingology> +1 received from micahg
[19:25] <infinity> #endvote
[19:25] <meetingology> Voting ended on: We believe the MATE packageset is probably too limited, vote to assign an action to Martin to propose a larger scope for review out-of-band or at the next meeting
[19:25] <meetingology> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[19:25] <meetingology> Motion carried
[19:25] <rbasak> But I think it's safe to assume that everyone's fine with it.
[19:25] <rbasak> (or understood that already if it's just me)
[19:26] <infinity> flexiondotorg: Alright, you have an action to bring us a better/expanded list.  But we'll hook you up with the tiny list after the meeting's done.
[19:26] <flexiondotorg> Thanks everyone, that's brilliant :-)
[19:26] <infinity> Oh, and I'll take an executive action to make this retroactive to xenial, so you're not stuck mainintaining an LTS you can't upload to. :P
[19:26] <BenC> flexiondotorg: Congrats
[19:27] <flexiondotorg> infinity, That's even more perfect.
[19:27] <rbasak> flexiondotorg: what took you so long? :-)
[19:27] <sil2100> ;)
[19:27] <flexiondotorg> rbasak, The DMB was on hiatus ;-)
[19:27] <infinity> #action infinity to update xenial and yakkety for ubuntu-mate packageset and flexiondotorg's upload privs to same
[19:27] <meetingology> ACTION: infinity to update xenial and yakkety for ubuntu-mate packageset and flexiondotorg's upload privs to same
[19:28] <infinity> #action flexiondotorg to bring us an expanded MATE packageset proposal
[19:28] <meetingology> ACTION: flexiondotorg to bring us an expanded MATE packageset proposal
[19:28] <flexiondotorg> Thanks everyone.
[19:28] <sil2100> yw, congratulations!
[19:29] <infinity> Okay, and due to both the lack of psusi in the meeting and the lack of endorsements on his application, we'll defer him to another time.
[19:29] <infinity> #topic AOB
[19:29] <infinity> Next chair is BenC.
[19:30] <infinity> With a backup of sil2100
[19:30] <sil2100> Uh oh!
[19:30] <sil2100> Ok
[19:30] <infinity> I'd like to propose that someone actually fix the (&(*!%%! fridge calendar to (a) accurately represent the meeting times and (b) invite everyone with their preferred calendar email address (adam.conrad@canonical.com for me, please)
[19:31] <infinity> Anyone want to take that action?
[19:31] <sil2100> I could take care of that - never did anything to the fridge before
[19:31] <infinity> I might actually show up to meetings if my phone yells at me.
[19:31] <sil2100> Besides opening up for food and drinks
[19:31] <infinity> sil2100: It's not too hard to sort out.  Go nuts.
[19:31] <infinity> The key is knowing the meeting times.
[19:31] <infinity> Which I clearly don't.
[19:31] <sil2100> Ok, add an action item so I don't forget
[19:32] <infinity> #action sil2100 to fix the Fridge calendar to list DMB meetings at the right times and invite the current members
[19:32] <meetingology> ACTION: sil2100 to fix the Fridge calendar to list DMB meetings at the right times and invite the current members
[19:32] <sil2100> Thanks o/
[19:32] <infinity> sil2100: For Canonical employees, invite first.last@canonical (unless someone requests otherwise), since those are our work calendars.  You might have to ask the non-canonical people for their preferred annoyance address for gcal invites.
[19:32] <micahg> do we want to take a poll for meeting times for the new board
[19:33] <infinity> We're 4 NA and 2 EU, and no APAC?
[19:33] <infinity> Shouldn't be hard to just find one time that works for all 6.
[19:33] <infinity> Unless we want to keep alternating to make it easier on applicants.
[19:33] <rbasak> I'm happy with the current timing. Evening for me isn't great but presumably that'd be a bit harsh.
[19:34] <micahg> I think that alternation is for applicants, yes
[19:34] <rbasak> So alternating works for me.
[19:34] <infinity> Kay.  I'm not picky, so long as I have reminders. ;)
[19:34] <BenC> benmcollins13@gmail.com for my cal
[19:35] <rbasak> first.last@ubuntu.com for me please.
[19:35] <infinity> rbasak: ubuntu.com, really?  Not canonical.com?  Do you run two calendars?
[19:36] <infinity> (weirdo)
[19:36] <rbasak> Oh, good point. I have no idea where calendar invites actually go when sent by email.
[19:36] <rbasak> @canonical.com is my gcal.
[19:36] <meetingology> rbasak: Error: "canonical.com" is not a valid command.
[19:36] <infinity> Right, canonical.com then. :P
[19:36] <rbasak> But I'm not sure sent-by-email invites work anyway.
[19:36] <infinity> rbasak: Right, the Fridge is more magic than sent-by-email.
[19:37] <rbasak> Ah, OK. Thanks.
[19:37] <infinity> micahg: Preferred email for gcal invites, for sil2100 to sort?  The rest of us can just use @canonical.
[19:37] <infinity> And I'd like to close the meeting.
[19:38] <infinity> Which I'll do if no one has AOAOB.
[19:38] <infinity> Going once.
[19:38] <infinity> Twice.
[19:38] <infinity> #endmeeting
[19:38] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Apr 25 19:38:50 2016 UTC.
[19:38] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-04-25-19.09.moin.txt
[19:38] <sil2100> o/
[19:39] <sil2100> Thanks everyone
[19:39] <rbasak> Thanks for chairing infinity
[19:40] <flexiondotorg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MartinWimpress/DeveloperApplicationPPU
[19:40] <flexiondotorg> Updated, please can you add me to the next DMB agenda?
[19:42] <infinity> flexiondotorg: We can probably review out of band, it shouldn't need quorum.
[19:43] <infinity> flexiondotorg: But let's revist between now and then and if no one manages to do it OOB, we'll put it on the agenda.
[19:43] <flexiondotorg> infinity, OK