[00:14] <MJBrune> I have a lenovo yoga 2 2-in-1 which currently has windows 10 on it. Is it possible to install Touch on it?
[00:14] <MJBrune> It's x64
[00:49] <bregma> MJBrune, Touch is predominantly ARM, but you can install regular Ubuntu on a Yoga 2 and run Unity 8 to get the same experience
[00:49] <MJBrune> bregma: So touch isn't different at all from Desktop Ubuntu?
[00:50] <MJBrune> It doesn'
[00:50] <MJBrune> it doesn't have netflix apps or amazon prime now? It doesn't have an android layer?
[01:02] <kurros> MJBrune: ubuntu touch uses some android for the low level hardware support layer--none of the services/code for apps. no netflix or amazon (until there is an armhf version of google-chrome or an x86 device someday)
[01:03] <MJBrune> kurros: seems fairly underfeatured then
[11:00] <Mirv> oSoMoN: chrisccoulson: I can get a silo for the QTBUG-47940. was there LP bug you had? it's always useful to link to changelog.
[11:01] <oSoMoN> Mirv, https://bugs.launchpad.net/oxide/+bug/1488364
[11:04] <Mirv> thanks oSoMoN
[11:05] <oSoMoN> Mirv, thanks to you!
[11:06] <mardy> Elleo: hi! Is there already a bug about the OSK being quite huge on the M10?
[11:07] <ogra_> huge ?
[11:07]  * ogra_ finds it to small actually :)
[11:08] <ogra_> could be a few pixels higher so the buttons are more square :)
[11:13] <mardy> ogra_: when I keep the tablet in landscape mode, it fills the whole width; your finger has to travel quite a lot
[11:13] <Elleo> mardy: no bug at the moment, feel free to open one; I haven't seen it on an m10 in person myself yet so couldn't really judge
[11:13] <ogra_> and how would you fix that ? put a gap in the center (then you cant type ten fingers if it sits on the cover-stand)
[11:14] <Elleo> mardy: might be worth just adding padding to the sides in landscape mode or something, probably one for design to consider
[11:14] <mardy> Elleo: yes, I'd suggest that
[11:14] <ogra_> how doers putting padding fix the issue that your hands are to far on the outside ?
[11:14] <mardy> ogra_: do people use more than one finger when typing on a touchscreen?
[11:14] <ogra_> *putting padding in
[11:15] <ogra_> marif i hold it i use my thmbs ...
[11:15] <ogra_> mardy,
[11:15] <Elleo> ogra_: I thought mardy's problem was that his fingers had to travel a large distance between keys?
[11:15] <Elleo> ogra_: so adding padding to either side would make the distance between keys smaller
[11:15] <ogra_> if i dont hold it i fold the stand in a way that it is at the top and make it sit on a table ...
[11:15] <mardy> Elleo: s/fingers/finger/ :-D
[11:15] <ogra_> that way i can type with ten fingers ... and quite comfortable
[11:16] <ogra_> Elleo, but it doesnt solve the issue that the center keys are to far when you hold the device on the outer sides
[11:17] <Elleo> ogra_: ah, okay
[11:18] <ogra_> having a mode there you produce a gap in the middle (via the language switcher) would make far more sense imho
[11:18] <ogra_> (and keep the current layout for people that actually do touch typing)
[11:18] <ogra_> s/there/where/
[11:19] <Elleo> yeah, well it certainly sounds like something that should be optional if implemented, if people are using it in different ways
[11:30] <Mirv> mzanetti: tvoss: I haven't heard back on https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1257 lately and now we're very near OTA-11 feature freeze. do you think the qtlocation should go in or not, and do you have time to test it?
[11:30] <mzanetti> Mirv, tested it, works very well
[11:30] <Mirv> I know it was essentially set to Incomplete from image purposes, so maybe it'll get postponed until switch to xenial...
[11:30] <mzanetti> good to go IMO
[11:30] <Mirv> mzanetti: ok, sounds good, maybe I should finish the silo off then and put towards QA
[11:33] <mzanetti> Mirv, yes, that'd be great
[11:33] <tvoss> mzanetti, Mirv wvm
[11:33] <tvoss> wfm, even :)
[12:11] <Tm_T> tvoss: windows for ...misgroups?
[12:11] <tvoss> works for me
[12:11] <Tm_T> or wait for me
[12:15] <taruti> Is there documentation somewhere what components of the aquaris m10 work A) with vanilla kernels, B) with out-of-tree-patches, C) require binary blobs, D) how closed the device in general is? (is e.g. the bootloader locked?) Or even just a dmesg from the tablet? Or a link to the kernel repo?
[12:20] <Walex> taruti: you are asking too much of "proof of concept" products...
[12:20] <Walex> taruti: you know what Winston Churchill said of dogs walking on two legs :-)
[12:22] <taruti> Walex: isn't that the typical thing one wonders with new android devices + linux?
[12:22] <Walex> The M10 is a fairly convincing "proof of concept" product, it is quite usable, GPS even works.
[12:22] <taruti> Walex: I don't need spoon feading, just a link somewhere that has info rather than just pretty pictures :)
[12:24] <Walex> taruti: IIRC the only platforms that are actually documented for "developers" are some Nexus models, not the BQ or Meizu ones.
[12:24] <taruti> so it is/will be quite locked down?
[12:25] <Walex> taruti: I don't know, but I would think that the BQ and Meizu are expected to be "shrink wrapped", and developers would use Nexus as development platforms
[12:25] <robinhero> hey mzanetti, I've just seen this landing: https://trello.com/c/QZKTTYYs/3074-1270-ubuntu-landing-070-ubuntu-touch-session-mzanetti Does this mean OTA-11 will arrive with Bluetooth file sending feature? :)
[12:26] <mzanetti> robinhero, the app in OpenStore will start working with OTA-11
[12:26] <mzanetti> (well, sending already works with that, this is for receiving)
[12:27] <mzanetti> robinhero, https://open.uappexplorer.com/app/ubtd.mzanetti
[12:27] <robinhero> mzanetti, so If I'm right: the backend is ready for Bluetooth file sending/recieving, the only missing thing is the GUI, right?
[12:27] <mzanetti> yes
[12:27] <mzanetti> well, and some apparmor policies perhaps
[12:28] <robinhero> awesome! :)
[12:28] <mzanetti> robinhero, actually, for receiving files, there should be a service running in the system so that you can receive files all the time, not only when an app is running like atm
[12:28] <Walex> taruti: I suspect that part of the issue is that the BQ and Meizu products are BQ and Meizu products, not Canonical products, and it is up to BQ and Meizu to document them. Google did that for most Nexus models, BQ and Meizu haven't done that yet.
[12:28] <mzanetti> robinhero, so that service and the ui need to be created properly (the openstore stuff is quite a quick'n'dirty proof of concept
[12:30] <robinhero> mzanetti, Ah, OK, thanks
[12:34] <robinhero> mzanetti, just installed your app, but where can I send files?
[12:35] <mzanetti> where would you expect it?
[12:35] <mzanetti> robinhero, ^
[12:37] <robinhero> mzanetti, oh okay, I've found it in the content hub :)
[12:37] <mzanetti> :)
[12:44] <mr_rcollins> So if I wanted to, could I put Android on my M10?
[12:44] <mr_rcollins> Or, better yet, dual boot Android and Ubuntu Touch?
[12:52] <dkessel> mariogrip: my fairphone 2 will arrive today. if there is anything you need tested, i may be able to do that soon. i don't know if you have a working device at the moment?
[12:57] <mariogrip> dkessel: cool, I do have a working device, but ubuntu touch on the fairphone 2 is in really early stages
[12:57] <mariogrip> not much is working yet
[13:15] <dobey> mariogrip: hey. what was the other thing you were trying to fix on hammerhead before pushing the battery fix?
[13:15] <mariogrip> bluetooth maybe?
[13:18] <mariogrip> dobey: oh, you're talking about why it got delayed, I messed up something when trying to fix the battery issue (adb developer mode)
[13:18] <mariogrip> dobey: hopefully i get to push it today
[13:18] <dobey> mariogrip: ah ok
[13:32] <peat-psuwit> I can't sync phablet repo tree. It said "error: Cannot fetch CyanogenMod/android_external_koush_Superuser"
[13:32] <peat-psuwit> branch phablet_4.4.2_r1
[14:04] <b0s3d> is this the channel for ubuntu tablet support?
[14:04] <k1l> yes
[14:04] <b0s3d> awesome
[14:04] <b0s3d> i am aware that it is new and need some development, but i have a few questions if you don't mind
[14:05] <b0s3d> 1: how do i get to the desktop/wallpaper area/minimize all windows?
[14:05] <b0s3d> 2: is the home button functional?
[14:06] <mr_rcollins> 1: Use the desktop switch under settings in the upper right.
[14:06] <b0s3d> !: also i have a bug connecting my wireless keyboard, its a mad catz strike m
[14:06] <mr_rcollins> 2: I didn't think there was a home button. :-)
[14:07] <b0s3d> 1: i am in the upper right area now
[14:07] <mr_rcollins> Under one of the tabs there is a switch to go to desktop mode.
[14:07] <mr_rcollins> Or connect a mouse. :-)
[14:08] <b0s3d> can't it go to desktop or just it just say "Today"?
[14:09] <b0s3d> found it !
[14:09] <b0s3d> thanks :)
[14:09] <b0s3d> I'll go lay down and enjoy the fun :) bye
[14:09] <john-mcaleely> popey, know who controls edit rights to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[14:09] <john-mcaleely> I appear to have lost them, and wish to update frieza & cooler
[14:10] <popey> john-mcaleely: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-etherpad
[14:10] <popey> join that
[14:10] <john-mcaleely> aha
[14:10] <popey> we did it to combat spam
[14:10] <john-mcaleely> thank you
[14:10] <popey> np
[14:10] <popey> do it now before I get on my plane and I'll approve it now
[14:11] <john-mcaleely> popey - pending now
[14:11] <b0s3d> lmao, the camera is upside down
[14:12] <popey> done
[14:15] <john-mcaleely> and edited the page. thank you!
[14:19] <popey> \o/
[14:20] <saavento> Does ubuntu-touch use the gstreamer framework for multimedia?
[14:21] <ogra_> saavento, yes ... but with the android codecs in the backend
[14:22] <saavento> thanks ogra
[14:22] <ogra_> (for apps you would just use OtMultimedia though ... you cant talk diectly to gstreamer)
[14:22] <ogra_> *directly
[14:23] <saavento> OtMultimedia or QtMultimedia? , ogra
[14:24] <ogra_> yes :P
[14:24] <saavento> ok thax
[14:24] <ogra_> that Qt thing :)
[14:24] <saavento> hehehe
[14:25] <dobey> Ot would be an awesome fraemwork i bet
[14:42] <jgdx> anyone with a openvpn VPN connection that requires username/password or static auth in here?
[14:42] <jgdx> pete-woods, maybe? ^
[14:43] <pete-woods> jgdx: I tore down my AWS instance, but could maybe look at starting it up again
[14:44] <jgdx> pete-woods, if you do get it up, silo 8 introduces (your) auth type stuff in System Settings
[14:45] <pete-woods> jgdx: sounds good!
[14:45] <pete-woods> jgdx: will let you know if I get 5 mins to spin up another server
[14:46] <pete-woods> it requires a bit of manual config after boot
[14:46] <b0s3d> hello guys, i don't agree with the privacy policy, what can i do?
[14:46] <b0s3d> can i disable something or somehow not agree to them?
[14:46] <b0s3d> http://www.ubuntu.com/legal/terms-and-policies/privacy-policy
[14:48] <dobey> b0s3d: in what context? creating a u1 account?
[14:50] <b0s3d> so from using the tablet it self, in any form of way i don't send private information to you guys?
[14:50] <b0s3d> you guys/ubuntu
[14:50] <ogra_> the device sends bug reports which you can disable in the privacy settings
[14:50] <ogra_> err
[14:51] <ogra_> crash reports (bugs you have to file yourself :) )
[14:51] <b0s3d> okay nice, i am more calm now lol
[14:51] <dobey> well, the privacy policy isn't a thing you can agree or disagree with in terms of usage, as i understand it; it's a statement of what ubuntu/canonical does in order to protect your privacy when such data is interchanged
[14:51] <b0s3d> i thought by updating or using the device i would use some of the services which will send some private information
[14:52] <dobey> you can of course not create an ubuntu one account, and not install apps, and disable crash reports, and disable all the remote scopes
[14:52] <ogra_> well, to install apps you indeed need an U1 account
[14:52] <ogra_> and there is info tied to that account (like what apps have you installed etc(
[14:53] <ogra_> mostly statistical stuff though ... not actually really personal
[14:53] <b0s3d> this information is send with encryption protocols like ssl right?
[14:53] <ogra_> sure
[14:54] <b0s3d> alright :)
[14:54] <dobey> well, what apps are installed isn't really tracked. the apps list on the server is things that were downlaoded from the store; not whether or not they were ever, or are still, installed
[14:54] <b0s3d> like points?
[14:54] <b0s3d> +1 -1 ?
[14:55] <dobey> no
[14:57] <b0s3d> okay :)
[16:23] <peat-psuwit> I can't sync phablet repo tree. It said "error: Cannot fetch CyanogenMod/android_external_koush_Superuser"
[16:23] <peat-psuwit> And I can't find that project on code-review.phablet.ubuntu.com
[16:24] <peat-psuwit> Where does it go? or what happened?
[16:43] <grasstype> well, good news! I figured out how to make root filesystem writeable from terminal, without connecting to desktop
[16:43] <grasstype> thank you internet
[16:44] <grasstype> woo!
[16:45] <grasstype> sudo apt-get update and installing g++ right now
[16:48] <b0s3d> when will it be safe to assume that the tablet is fully functionally?
[16:48] <b0s3d> and how do i find the ubuntu-software center + the termainal ?
[16:50] <grasstype> fully functional? no idea.
[16:51] <grasstype> b0s3d, you can install the terminal right now though
[16:51]  * ogra_ notes that hiis tablet is fully functional
[16:51] <grasstype> if you swipe a few scopes to the right, you'll hit hte app scope. At the bottom of that is the ubuntu store
[16:51] <grasstype> click that, and search for terminal
[16:52] <grasstype> it might even be on the main page
[17:01] <melvster> grasstype: hmm ive just been installing stuff with apt over adb, am I doing it wrong?
[17:03] <dobey> grasstype: don't do that!
[17:03] <dobey> remounting / as rw is bad
[17:04] <dobey> grasstype, melvster: https://askubuntu.com/questions/620740/recommended-way-to-install-regularcli-deb-packages-on-ubuntu-phone/623311#623311 <- do it this way
[17:04] <ogra_> yeah, dont touch the readonly area
[17:04] <melvster> dobey: oh thanks!
[17:04] <ogra_> it will just end in tears
[17:05] <mr_rcollins> grasstype, you don't want to do that.
[17:06] <grasstype> why will it end in tears?
[17:06] <mr_rcollins> OTA updates will stop.
[17:06] <ogra_> if you make changes they are lost with the next OTA ...
[17:06] <ogra_> but the space wont be freed up
[17:06] <mr_rcollins> I thought it wouldn't update?
[17:07] <ogra_> so eventually you run out of space
[17:07] <melvster> great article but it doesnt really say *why* to do it that way ...
[17:07] <ogra_> sadly not ... it still updates
[17:07] <ogra_> (i think popey filed a bug ages ago about that ... it should really stop OTAs imho)
[17:07] <dobey> melvster: it's not an article, it's an answer to a question on askubuntu
[17:08] <ogra_> OTOH you cant use apt to upgrade either
[17:08] <grasstype> it still updates, but it leaves on the programs I installed but doesn't allow me to use them?
[17:08] <ogra_> since that will fail as soon as certain packages are upgraded
[17:08] <grasstype> that seems like 3 levels of wtf
[17:08] <ogra_> that is why it is readonly :)
[17:08] <ogra_> just leave it alone
[17:08] <ogra_> there are enough ways to achive your stuff in the rw area
[17:09] <grasstype> leaving it alone I don't get g++ and vim without doing things I dont understand
[17:09] <ogra_> (and expecially on the tablet you want a libertine container in the rw space to actually install additional debs anyway)
[17:09] <dobey> then wait for libertine to be more ready, and you can install there instead
[17:10] <dobey> i'll update the askubuntu answer after ota11, to have instructions for libertine
[17:10] <ogra_> ++1
[17:10] <melvster> what's libertine?
[17:10] <dobey> grasstype: well, you're already doing things you don't understand, if you're making / rw and trying to do apt-get there
[17:10] <grasstype> ... what is libertine?
[17:10] <dobey> the legacy apps stuff
[17:10] <dobey> how firefox/libreoffice work
[17:10] <ogra_> the container management SW that makes Xorg apps work
[17:10] <melvster> oh found it ... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Libertine
[17:11] <dobey> melvster: do NOT follow those instructions though :)
[17:11] <dobey> those are old instructions for developers to test before stuff was in image
[17:11] <melvster> ok!
[17:12] <melvster> so question ... making files in say /home/phablet/Public/ that's ok, right?
[17:12] <ogra_> bregma, can we pretty please remove the "make your device rw" from that wikipage ?
[17:12] <grasstype> lol, I don't even know what to say
[17:12] <ogra_> or at least add a big fat red disclaimr next to it that this will make you end up re-flashing at some point
[17:12] <dobey> melvster: sure
[17:12] <grasstype> so... should I purge all the stuff I just installed, and restart?
[17:13] <ogra_> grasstype, well, to phone users the general suggestion is usually to re-flash the device from scratch ... making things RW is really only from doing plumbing work on the system
[17:13] <melvster> the way things are set up now is *super* useful, I appreciate there's an evolving *right* way to do things, and not following that can end in tears, but that's part of the fun/risk of having free software, I'll definitely try and follow the best practice, but so far im really happy :)
[17:13] <ogra_> s/from/for/
[17:14] <ogra_> melvster, indeed, and you can make everything writable and tinker around with it to yur liking ... just dont complain if it breaks since thats not the way it is intended to be used ;)
[17:15] <melvster> got it!
[17:15] <ogra_> you can always re-flash from scratch too if you break it ...
[17:15] <grasstype> so, in order to do something on my new tablet that I can do on my desktop, I have to install something on ubuntu desktop, install terminal on tablet, understand everything about chroot, understand adp, and know which directions on askubuntu to ignore, ie already knowing everything about the whole system. Well that's frustrating. And the way to fix it is to completely reflash the whole system
[17:15] <grasstype> talk about a frustrating way to learn
[17:16] <dobey> huh?
[17:16] <ogra_> grasstype, you can also just wait a few OTAs and have all that implemented via the UI :)
[17:16] <dobey> you don't need adb to make a chroot
[17:16] <mr_rcollins> I made my chroot on an SD card so I can always reflash without losing anying in my chroot.
[17:17] <grasstype> wait a few OTA updates, and relearn the new approved way to do it. I need a drink
[17:17] <dobey> hell, i rarely even use adb any more. i just ssh to my phone
[17:18] <grasstype> lol, ssh to the phone, even better
[17:19] <melvster> this is very cool.  is there a relationship between libertine and snappy?
[17:20] <dobey> melvster: no
[17:20] <grasstype> at least I have pokemon (after a few hoops jumped through), and basic internet.
[17:21]  * ogra_ actually looks forward to sanppy based phones and tablets ... we wont have the RW discussion anymore :) 
[17:23] <dobey> no, the discussions will be much… darker
[17:24] <ogra_> well, the os snap is a readonly squashfs file ... no way to make that writable ;)
[17:24] <rvr> ogra_: Do you know whether there is any limit related to SD cards we can mount in Ubuntu Touch?
[17:25] <ogra_> rvr, shouldnt ... only filesystem limitations (i.e. 4GB per file on vfat)
[17:25] <troyready> wait wait wait ... what kind of pokemon is it that we can have on Ubuntu touch? :)
[17:25] <rvr> ogra_: Ack, thanks
[17:29] <plexigras> i am looking for a guid on how to flash ubuntu touch from arch linux, you guys know one?
[17:32] <dobey> plexigras: the instructions would be the same, save for adding PPAs and such. you will need the same software. i don't know if it's packaged for arch. you could create a minimal ubuntu install in a vm or lxc container, or a chroot, if need be, to use the ubuntu packages
[17:46] <plexigras> dobey, i only need ubuntu-device-flash, phablet-tools, abd nd fastboot right?
[17:47] <dobey> plexigras: i don't know what all dependencies those have, but i think so
[18:56] <WolfiWolfi> hello! i'm looking for an app/scope where i can maintain/control the credit on my smartphone. is there such a thing?
[18:57] <plexigras> Device tuna not found on server https://system-image.ubuntu.com channel ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu
[18:57] <plexigras> can someone tell me why i get this error
[19:04] <pmcgowan> plexigras, is that the Galaxy Nexus? there is no image for that
[19:04] <plexigras> fuck
[19:05] <plexigras> for real??
[19:06] <pmcgowan> check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices for a community port
[19:11] <plexigras> pmcgowan, i can just do phablet-flash community --device toro or wht do i have to do?
[19:14] <dasjoe> If you want to own a somewhat expensive paperweight, yes ;)
[19:14] <dasjoe> Ubuntu Touch does not exist for your phone, don't just flash a different phone's image
[19:15] <pmcgowan> plexigras, seems the Toro port was abandoned
[19:16] <dasjoe> Oh sorry, misread the question and assumed toro was the Nexus 4's codename
[19:16] <plexigras> dasjoe, i wouldnt call it expensive :)
[19:30] <dobey> WolfiWolfi: i don't think there is. i think that would be carrier-specific
[19:34] <dobey> plexigras: indeed, maguro/toro is no longer supported (and hasn't been for a very long time)
[19:34] <WolfiWolfi> ok thank you dobey. do you know if it exist a german page where i can see all the ubuntu scopes with description?
[19:35] <dobey> uappexplorer.com perhaps
[19:40] <plexigras> is it only me or do smartphones suck
[19:41] <ogra_> Only the ones without ubuntu
[19:43] <mr_rcollins> Is their a timeline for 16.04?
[19:43] <mr_rcollins> Or, let me write that correctly, is there a timeline for 16.04?
[19:44] <ogra_> Far out...
[19:44] <mr_rcollins> I don't mind being an early adopter, but right now the Ubuntu Tablet isn't usable. :-)
[19:45] <ogra_> And 16.04 would help how ?
[19:45] <mr_rcollins> I don't know, lol!
[19:45] <ogra_> heh
[19:45] <mr_rcollins> Being able to use Firefox would be a start.
[19:45] <ogra_> it would be far worse
[19:45] <ogra_> mm ?
[19:45] <mr_rcollins> And some sort of control for the FHD display so Firefox isn't so tiny.
[19:45] <ogra_> I'm using it just fine here
[19:45] <mr_rcollins> How do you get a keyboard in it?
[19:46] <ogra_> with my BY keyboard
[19:46] <ogra_> BT
[19:46] <mr_rcollins> That kinda defeats the purpose of having a tablet...
[19:46] <ogra_> its a desktop app, why would I use it when not in desktop mode
[19:46] <ogra_> and beyond that the Ubuntu browser is far superior imho
[19:47] <mr_rcollins> There are some extensions that I would like to have.
[19:47] <mr_rcollins> I've been forcing myself to use Browser.
[19:47] <mr_rcollins> Do you have a link on how to modify the Today scope so it isn't forced to landscape?
[19:48] <mr_rcollins> Something about modifying a .desktop file...
[19:48] <ogra_> You have to hack the unity8-dash.desktop file
[19:48] <mr_rcollins> Where's that?
[19:48] <ogra_> use find ;)
[19:49] <mr_rcollins> Lol! :-P
[19:49] <mr_rcollins> I'll look when I get home.
[19:49] <dobey> mr_rcollins: 16.04 was released the other day. it is best not to think of phone images as being related to the standard ubuntu releases
[19:49] <mr_rcollins> Good to know.
[19:49] <mr_rcollins> And I do have my chroot to play around with.
[19:50] <mr_rcollins> In Terminal, is there a way to modify the different keyboards? (Shoot, what does it call those...)
[19:50] <dobey> mr_rcollins: wait for the update which changes unity8 to rotate on the tablet :)
[19:51]  * mr_rcollins is waiting... :-)
[19:51] <ogra_> Every six weeks ;)
[19:51] <dobey> mr_rcollins: if you really want a touch version of firefox, best option would be to work with the firefox devs to get a mobile version built for ubuntu and in the app store, so you can just install it from there
[19:53] <taiebot> Hi all why core apps go through QA testing? Will this not add too much work to QA?  Can there not be a team of users which test and approve the update?
[19:54] <dobey> taiebot: because that's how they get QAed
[19:54] <dobey> taiebot: it doesn't add work when it's work that QA has been doing all along for the past 2.5 years anyway
[19:55] <taiebot> dobey: I see unav has been added to the list how many extra are going to get QA approval?
[19:56] <dobey> taiebot: default apps != core apps
[20:02] <taiebot> dobey: unav needs now approval to get release i am just unsure of the principle of asking people in an office if the gps driving app works without field testing. Unless they only test if the apps install successfully and launches properly. I would like to suggest a different approach in order to release "core apps and defaults apps"  like a tester store where people could vote for apps to be released or get there apps te
[20:02] <dobey> lol "in an office" ?
[20:03] <taiebot> dobey: are you driving?
[20:03] <taiebot> :-)
[20:03] <dobey> taiebot: there are documented test plans for the apps
[20:05] <dobey> taiebot: the point is that the QA people aren't "in an office" as you suggest. they are spread across the globe, and yes, i'm sure they leave their primary places of working to go do things, and they take their phones with them to test things
[20:08] <dobey> personally, i only use unav in order to ensure a location fix
[20:08] <mr_rcollins> Can I dual-boot Android on the M10?
[20:09] <taiebot> dobey: I am just surprised of the amount of effort  to be put by QA and wanted to  help. Apps would be easy as external testing as they are just .click to be downloaded.
[20:09] <dobey> mr_rcollins: i don't think so
[20:10] <dobey> taiebot: well, personally, i'd prefer to eliminate any manual testing; but alas
[20:46] <PaulFraOSAA> Does anybody know how you can run a command in the libertine container before launching the application? I can't really find it in the documentation and the code I could read on my commute didn't make it clear
[20:55] <awesomebing1> Hello! I'm trying to download the sources for Ubuntu Touch so I can build it. It syncs up to "error: Cannot fetch CyanogenMod/android_external_koush_Superuser". Does anyone know what happened to that repository, and how to fix/workaround it?
[20:58] <PaulFraOSAA> I don't know if anyone has answered, kiwiirc is acting up, but it seems libertine-container-manager exec should be able to do the trick. But I can't figure out how to actually run a command
[20:59] <bba> awseomebing1 - I had the some problem yesterday, I haven't tried since.
[20:59] <awesomebing1> bba: Yeah, this must have happened recently, as I have synced it before successfully.
[21:00] <bba> I haven't used repo before, how can one specify an earlier version
[21:01] <bba> and find out which version are available
[21:02] <awesomebing1> I don't remember 100% but you have to init the project with repo init -u *url* -b *version*. The version number is a branch
[21:02] <bba> thanks perhaps I'll try rtfming tomorrow
[21:03] <awesomebing1> I honestly don't know if it's the same, it's that way on CM
[21:06] <awesomebing1> It appears the only branch is "phablet-4.4.2_r1". Can't verify for sure
[21:08] <awesomebing1> bba: Trying to figure out branches solved my problem. Replace "CyanogenMod/android_external_koush_Superuser" in manifest.xml with "CyanogenMod/Superuser"
[21:10] <bba> awesomebing1: thanks will try it out tomorrow.
[21:16] <awesomebing1> bba: I take that back. It doesn't have the proper branches. Sorry for a half answer :/ btw https://code-review.phablet.ubuntu.com/#/admin/projects/CyanogenMod/android_bootable_recovery,branches
[21:28] <awesomebing1> Where might I go to report a bug with getting the code for Superuser? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Components doesn't really help in this case
[21:32] <ogra_> awesomebing1, best is to write to the mailing list i guess ... it is also beyond me why superuser should be in any branch at all given it is not used anywhere ever
[21:32] <ogra_> also try to catch ondra during european workhours ... he is one of the persons that regulary work with the android branches
[21:43] <awesomebing1> ogra_ I joined the mailing list, do I just send an email to ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net with "[Development] etc"?
[21:43] <ogra_> yeah
[21:43] <awesomebing1> K
[21:44] <ogra_> ondra or morphis should be able to help you out here on IRC too ... but both are likely not around at this time of day
[21:52] <jake__> ls
[21:53] <jake__> exit
[21:55] <awesomebing1> ogra_ I sent an email to the mailing
[21:55] <awesomebing1> list.*
[21:56] <ogra_> good