[00:49] <JMichaelX> anyone know how to get video thumbnail previews to work in Dolphin, in 16.04?
[01:02] <SporkWitch> JMichaelX: install ffmpegthumbs
[01:03] <SporkWitch> should work anyway... doesn't seem that it supports the format any of my videos are in...
[01:05] <JMichaelX> i have ffmpegthumbs installed, but still no video preview thumbnails
[01:08] <viewer|CallMeFis> Has anyone experience screen refresh rate issues with 16.04?
[01:46] <tux|dude> Welp I've basically got all my shit set back up in 16.04 now (thankfully that reinstall didn't set me "too" far back)
[02:26] <ibedonc> hello
[05:36] <thelionroars> I'm getting a lot of 'forbidden file type' errors when trying to update using apt-get, can anyone help? https://gist.github.com/thelionroars/b47594f8afa1191c576640424cd1a0c3
[05:52] <Unit193> thelionroars: I presume you use apt-cacher-ng?
[05:53] <thelionroars> how presumptuous of you
[05:53] <thelionroars> but yes
[05:57] <Unit193> 0.8.8-1 in Debian (not sure if the fix was backported) was the first one to support appstream.  I believe by-hash was backported, though.
[05:58] <Unit193> (LP #819852)
[05:58] <Unit193> Err, right...
[06:01] <Unit193> So yes, 0.7.26-1ubuntu0.1 in trusty *should* work: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt-cacher-ng/0.7.26-1ubuntu0.1
[07:21] <user|50900> Can anyone tell me what the default password is for kdewallet?
[07:23] <valorie> user|50900: afaik, there is no default password
[07:24] <user|50900> It asks me for a password when connecting to wifi after restart and I haven't gotten the option to set it
[07:26] <valorie> hmmm, I use my user password for that
[07:26] <valorie> try that?
[07:26] <user|50900> That doesn't work for me
[07:28] <valorie> :(
[07:28] <valorie> how about return?
[07:29] <valorie> some use no password at all
[07:29] <user|50900> also not working
[07:31] <valorie> I guess you could ask in #kde; nobody else seems to be here
[07:31] <valorie> answering, I mean
[08:05] <noaXess> hey all.
[08:07] <noaXess> does anybody also has issue in dolphin (15.12.3 kde fw 5.18.0) on editing places and set an icon? i only can set system icons, but can't choose other icons, eg. own made icons... it does not open any selection dialog
[08:07] <noaXess> edit place > clock on: Choose an icon > select: Other icons > click: Browse... nothing happens
[08:36] <fbr> hello
[08:36] <fbr> I'm testing kubuntu 16.04 on my laptop
[08:37] <fbr> everinth seems to be fine, just a litte wireless problem
[08:37] <fbr> everything
[08:38] <fbr> my wifi card is seen by Kubuntu
[08:38] <fbr> but not by network manager
[08:38] <hateball> fbr: How do you mean it is "seen"?
[08:38] <hateball> fbr: Does it show when you run "lspci" ?
[08:39] <fbr> $ sudo iwconfig
[08:39] <fbr> wlp5s0    IEEE 802.11abgn  ESSID:off/any
[08:39] <fbr>           Mode:Managed  Access Point: Not-Associated   Tx-Power=0 dBm
[08:39] <fbr>           Retry short limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
[08:39] <fbr>           Encryption key:off
[08:39] <fbr>           Power Management:on
[08:40] <fbr> but nothing in network manager
[08:41] <fbr> my laptop is a Toshiba Tecra A50 that's working fine on 14.04
[08:41] <hateball> fbr: Yes but what chipset does it use?
[08:42] <hateball> It's very possible there's a kernel regression
[08:42] <fbr> my chipset :  Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless 7260 (rev 73)
[08:43] <hateball> That's quite strange, I use the same exact chipset
[08:43] <hateball> fbr: Altho I had one boot fail for me, same thing as for you
[08:43] <hateball> Just rebooted and network-manager behaved like it should again
[08:44] <hateball> I didnt try reloading modules/nm, reboot is just as fast...
[08:44] <fbr> I've reboot this morning but nothing change in network manager
[08:44] <hateball> fbr: Anything interesting in dmesg?
[08:44] <fbr> no
[08:45] <fbr> and if I use iwconfig I think I can configure wifi access
[08:45] <fbr> but it's a little bit easier with network manager :)
[08:46] <hateball> fbr: and no luck if you "sudo systemctl restart NetworkManager.service"  ?
[08:46] <fbr> in
[08:46] <fbr> Yesssss !!!!
[08:47] <fbr> I can see wifi network
[08:47] <fbr> what the fuck ?? Network manager start before wifi card ?
[08:47] <hateball> !language
[08:47] <hateball> fbr: Yes I have seen some bugs about this
[08:48] <hateball> Can't find a correct one right now tho
[08:48] <hateball> At any rate, there's a workaround for now
[08:48] <fbr> yes thanks for your help !
[08:49] <fbr> maybe a right problem for network manager ?
[08:50] <fbr> what is the good way to help to correct this issue ?
 Systemd dependency in Systemctl startup script probably would fix it.
 Would be good to have a Bug report on launchpad for this, see it we can replicate it
 fbr
 Thanks
[09:26] <fbr> launchpad kubuntu ou ubuntu ?
[09:27] <fbr> s/ou/or/
[09:33] <hateball> !bug | fbr
 I suspect that this is most likely an Ubuntu bug, certainly if you are sure that Netmgr starts before Wifi
 If you report it to Kubuntu bugs, I will take care of triage later on 😃
[10:55] <AceKing> I'm curious if anyone else is finding 16.04 glitchy? I freeze up out of nowhere, and figured there would be more updates by now. I wasn't getting any updates, so I manually ran one in konsole. All that updated was a 19 kb file. libmysqlclient20 mysql-client-core-5.7 mysql-common mysql-server-core-5.7. I'm thinking about going back to 14.04
[10:57] <hateball> AceKing: What freezes?
[10:58] <riz__> hi why only 16.4 lts on the official website?
[11:02] <AceKing> hateball: Anything I'm working on. Nothing particular.
[11:03] <soee_> riz__: what updates do you expect ?
[11:04] <AceKing> hateball: It happens on both my PC, and laptop.
[11:04] <riz__> im looking for the non lts version soee_
[11:06] <AceKing> hateball: Another thing is setting up my network connections. I automatically connect to a VPN when my connections starts. Every tme I try setting it to automatically connect, I get an error.
[11:07] <AceKing> Which by the way, does not automatically connect to the Internet when I first start up. I have to connect manually.
[11:13] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:14] <AceKing> Whenever I go to save a setting in my connections, on both my laptop, and my PC, I get this message: Failed to update connection Wired conn.... connection.gateway-ping-timeout: can not set property: Value "12515872" of type 'guint' is invalid or out of range for property 'gateway-ping-timout' of type 'guint'
[12:10] <dsealius> something I don't understand...
[12:11] <dsealius> why there is a mysqld running and consuming 800 000 K of my memory ?
[12:12] <BluesKaj> dsealius, do you use kmail and kontact etc?
[12:14] <dsealius> no never
[12:15] <dsealius> notice that I install kubuntu 16.04 last week and I just installed some extra package but nothing dealing with mysql
[12:21] <BluesKaj> dsealius, which extra packages?
[12:22] <pat_rick> hello
[12:23] <pat_rick> has anyone else a problem with Akregator not saving the content of feeds?
[12:24] <pat_rick> up to 15.10, when I exited Akregator and restarted, it would save the downloaded feeds and their status (read/unread)
[12:24] <pat_rick> since 16.04, it doesn't
[12:24] <pat_rick> it will download the content of my feeds anew and have them all unread
[12:25] <pat_rick> tried changing the archiving options in the settings, but that didn't help
 Hmmm...
 I wonder if it is a change to Akonadi, and the MySQL 5.7 update that has broken something.
 I take it reprocible
[12:26] <dsealius> BLuesKaj, vim build-essential cmake git tmux
[12:26] <BluesKaj> pat_rick, I noticed that too
[12:27] <pat_rick> BluesKaj: so I'm not alone at least
 pat_rick: Please could you report a bug on this to bugs.kde.org for akkregator
[12:27] <BluesKaj> dsealius, odd , those packages don't need a db afaik
[12:28] <pat_rick> in the extended settings, I can choose the archive type, with "metakit" as default and alongsinde an button to edit the settings for that, but this one is greyed out
[12:29] <pat_rick> not sure if that's connected
[12:29] <pat_rick> telegram: can do that
[12:33] <chron1cle> I have a clean install of 16.04 and I don't see where the mysql package is installed at all
[12:34] <BluesKaj> chron1cle, dsealius yeah i checked muon , no mysql installed here either
[12:36] <chron1cle> apt-cache rdepends mysql-server-5.7 maybe and see what's depending on it?
[12:36] <BluesKaj> mysqld rather, ,,,mysql-common is installed , but it isn't running according to ksysguard
[12:39] <dsealius> reverse depends shows me mythtv-backend-master, miriadb-server* and some mysql-related packages
[12:39] <BluesKaj> ahh mythtv
[12:40] <dsealius> what's that ?
[12:40] <BluesKaj> !mythtv
[12:40] <chron1cle> tv tuner card?
[12:41] <dsealius> I don't know that's dell optiplex all in one
[12:42] <BluesKaj> dsealius, mythtv-master-backend has mysql as a dependency
[12:42] <lordievader> That is not installed by default, is it?
[12:42] <dsealius> if I make a apt-get remove, it removes the followings :
[12:42] <dsealius> accountwizard akonadi-backend-mysql akonadi-server akregator kaddressbook
[12:42] <dsealius>   kdepim-runtime knotes kontact korganizer mysql-server-core-5.7
[12:43] <dsealius> akonadi-server , is a important one isn't it ?
[12:43] <BluesKaj> dsealius, yeah but if you akondi turned off then mysql should also be disabled
[12:44] <BluesKaj> akonadi
[12:45] <BluesKaj> ds turn akonadi -server off if you don't use kmail or any PIM packages, or the baloo search
[12:45] <BluesKaj> dsealius,^
[12:47] <dsealius> baloo search ? is that thing appearing when I press alt+space ?
[12:47] <chron1cle> https://userbase.kde.org/Akonadi#ApplicationTable
[12:48] <BluesKaj> dsealius, baloo search is in system settings>search>file search
[12:50] <dsealius> I turned off akonadi, mysqld has stopped !
[12:50] <dsealius> thank
[12:51] <BluesKaj> good
[12:52] <dsealius> is there a command to make it permanent ?
[12:52] <dsealius> rc.local ?
[12:52] <chron1cle> don't think it starts unless you launch one of those apps
[12:53] <BluesKaj> it will be permanent if you don't turn it back on
[12:53] <BluesKaj> akonadi-server that is
[12:54] <BluesKaj> or baloo
[12:54] <dsealius> BluesKaj, even after reboot  ?
[12:54] <BluesKaj> yes
[12:54] <dsealius> good
[12:54] <dsealius> I'm new to kde :)
[13:44] <Kuser|Novice> Hi every one
[13:44] <Kuser|Novice> Does someone can tell me if Kubuntu 14.04 is end of life ?
[13:46] <hateball> !lts | Kuser|Novice
[13:47] <hateball> Kuser|Novice: Short answer: No
[13:47] <Kuser|Novice> okey good news then
[13:48] <Kubevis> Does anyone know how to fix Dolphin video thumbnails for 16.04
[13:49] <Kuser|Novice> I taught it was the reason why I had some 404 Not Found packages when I did an "apt-get update"
[13:50] <Kuser|Novice> so actually I am unable to understand why it is unable to find those repository
[13:53] <Kuser|Novice> hateball: do you have any idea why I got that ?
[13:56] <hateball> Kuser|Novice: paste the results of your apt-get update
[13:56] <hateball> !paste
[13:56] <hateball> perhaps you have a PPA or something that is no longer functional
[13:56] <Kuser|Novice> hateball: sur let me do that
[13:57] <Kuser|Novice> hateball: I was thinking of it but it is the based kubuntu update PPA
[14:13] <Kuser|Novice> does someone can give some help ?
[14:19] <soee_> Kuser|Novice: with what ?
[15:28] <EvilRoey> hello all
[15:28] <EvilRoey> hey what happened to xchat?  I upgraded from 15.10 -> 16.04 and I don't see xchat available anymore (only xchat-gnome, which apparently has different default settings).. what gives/
[15:28] <EvilRoey> ?
[15:32] <acheron88> xchat is dead
[15:32] <acheron88> now hexchat
[15:37] <EvilRoey> acheron88: can you elaborate on this (I was suspecting this)
[15:42] <acheron88> hexchat is a fork/continuation of xchat by other developers
[15:43] <acheron88> was originally a fork just to support windows I think, but started doing linux builds when xchat itself died
[15:44] <acheron88> it is 99.9% the same as xchat was, just with some updates and fixes
[15:44] <acheron88> I'm using it now, and honeslty apartr from a slightly different icon you couldn't tell the difference
[15:45] <acheron88> interface & settings the same
[15:47] <acheron88> can even copy your xchat settings over to the ~/.config/hexchat/ directory and carry on as if you are using the old xchat
[15:58] <CacheMoney> radeon_gem_object_create:62 alloc size 79Mb bigger than 64Mb limit
[15:58] <CacheMoney> getting that error over and over in dmesg
[15:58] <CacheMoney> just installed the kubuntu packages and after rebooting and loggin in, it just hangs at the splash screen for KDE
[16:03] <BluesKaj> drop to a VT/TTY , login then sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade , if any packages are held back, do sudo apt full-upgrade, then reboot
[16:03] <BluesKaj> CacheMoney,^
[16:04] <CacheMoney> okay
[16:04] <BluesKaj> ctrl+alt+F1-F6 for the vt
[16:04] <CacheMoney> ik
[16:10] <EvilRoey> hi
[16:10] <EvilRoey> anyone here?
[16:11] <WitherSlick> hi EvilRoey
[16:30] <EvilRoey> hi again
[16:36] <viewer|2920> Any way around the ubi-partman crash on install for 16.04?  Single disk, existing Windows partition, trying to install dual-boot.  Thanks in advance.
[16:38] <EvilRoey> okay
[16:38] <EvilRoey> oh awesome
[16:38] <EvilRoey> color test2
[16:39] <EvilRoey> oh great this is the oclor I was looking for.
[16:39] <EvilRoey> nice.
[16:39] <EvilRoey> שלום
[16:55] <CacheMoney> got fed up and went back to XFCE lol
[17:39] <WitherSlick> Just when I thought ktorrent was perfect a bug that makes it virtually unusable for me appears.
[17:39] <WitherSlick> sigh
[17:40] <WitherSlick> this was the best torrent client i've ever used, but apperently it can't cross seed torrents.
[17:53] <kyaw> hello
[17:53] <soee_> hiho
[17:54] <kyaw> i want to ask a question about kubuntu software center discoverer
[17:55] <WitherSlick> what's your question kyaw
[17:55] <dbacc> hi, I changed (kubuntu 16.04) workspace and color theme to breeze dark, however, the window, button backgrounds are still staying light. Its only the borders of the windows that got dark. Is anyone else facing this problem?
[17:56] <kyaw> 16.04 software center is showing off-frame text
[17:56] <kyaw> am i the only one having it?
[17:57] <kyaw> showing texts that is off the frame
[17:58] <kyaw> the above three frame that's flipping like every 5 seconds or so. :)
[18:10] <BluesKaj_> kyaw:  make sure your packages are all up to date
[18:18] <WitherSlick> I swear KDE is so fucking nice, but it's so fucking buggy. I'm probably gonna switch back to XFCE :/
[18:19] <aboudreault> I don't have that many bugs
[18:19] <aboudreault> hey, does anyone go issues with the secondary monitor? Mine is getting laggy over time
[18:19] <WitherSlick> Ktorrent still can't cross seed 3 years after the bug report was done
[18:19] <aboudreault> latest nvidia driver installed, direct rendering enabled.... over 7000 FPS with glxgears
[18:20] <WitherSlick> I'm trying some other distros in VM's atm to decide what to switch to
[18:20] <WitherSlick> heck the software center still can't even search, and the drivers dialog doesn't work. What do you mean there aren't many bugs.
[18:23] <WitherSlick> It's not that I don't like KDE, KDE is awesome. It's just that XFCE doesn't have any of these problems :/
[18:23] <WitherSlick> neither does GNOME
[18:27] <comradekingu> WitherSlick, Bugreports and complaining, as you may find, isnt what actually solves bugs
[18:28] <comradekingu> You can use "apt-cache search" and install a new DE without switching distro
[18:29] <comradekingu> or just install synaptic, that sounds like what you are after
[18:31] <WitherSlick> comradekingu: I know, I know your right
[18:31] <WitherSlick> I was just a little frustrated tbh
[18:32] <WitherSlick> Sorry guys
[18:41] <SporkWitch> any way to force aptitude to update the package lists if we're getting the "no hash considered strong enough" message?
[18:41] <SporkWitch> it's preventing updates to all of the google applications, as well as hipchat
[18:43] <comradekingu> SporkWitch, you can update the signing checksum on the package archive
[18:43] <SporkWitch> and how would i go about that?
[18:43] <comradekingu> Or notify whoever is running it that it needs doing
[18:44] <SporkWitch> (i'm inclined to agree with the bug reports that it's BS that a warning prevents it working at all; it's called a warning, not an error, for a reason)
[18:44] <SporkWitch> (if i wanted an operating system to tell me what to do, rather than me tell it what to do, i'd run macos)
[18:48] <ronnoc> SporkWitch: why not use qBittorrent instead?
[18:48] <SporkWitch> O.o
[18:49] <ronnoc> oops meant for WitherSlick :P
[18:49] <SporkWitch> was gonna say, i fail to see what a bittorrent client has to do with my package manager lol
[18:49] <WitherSlick> I'd use deluge if I was gonna use an alternate bittorrent client
[18:50] <WitherSlick> qbittorrent is the worst client i've ever used, but it might be better now. I last used it back on windows
[18:50] <WitherSlick> anyway I'm gonna install Xubuntu later guys it was nice chatting with you, and I truly appreciate how helpful you guys have been.
[18:50] <SporkWitch> and yeah, on the rare occasions i need a bittorent client, i use deluge these days
[18:50] <SporkWitch> WitherSlick: i'd go with 14.04 for now, unless you want to do a lot of work
[18:51] <SporkWitch> 16.04 so far has been quite a bit of headache trying to get it back up to par with 14.04
[18:51] <WitherSlick> Really?
[18:51] <ronnoc> Well, qBittorrent is at least a Qt app... I use it and it's awesome, TBH. Though I do prefer KTorrent's GUI and it's graph plug-in
[18:51] <WitherSlick> I love ktorrent it's the best client UI I've ever used
[18:52] <WitherSlick> just wish it could cross seed haha
[18:52] <SporkWitch> virtual desktops have been crippled, they're trying to force us to use activities instead and those result in poor performance and are buggy.  the driver manager doesn't work, so you have to install proprietary GPU drivers yourself instead of through the menu, the repo signing issue i mentioned a moment ago
[18:52] <ronnoc> you know what they say...patches are always welcome!
[18:52] <SporkWitch> locale settings are no longer actually customizable (the ability to configure them has been replaced with country drop-downs; you can't actually set things yourself anymore)
[18:53] <WitherSlick> Dang
[18:53] <SporkWitch> on the up-side, the new aesthetics ARE very pretty
[18:53] <SporkWitch> hopefully 16.04's in better shape by 16.10's release
[18:55] <ronnoc> I've never found activities to be buggy...even back in KDE4. They are actually much moar poewrful than VD's. As for the other issues...the Kubuntu team is (as I'm sure you know) new and small. It'll take a bit of time (16.10 sounds abut right) to get up to speed and get things tight.
[18:55] <babula> Hi, recently I've installed fresh Kubuntu 16.04 and I'm experiencing some problems with Plasma Desktop when I'm connecting two monitors. Can you please tell me where I can check for bugs in new Kubuntu and eventually report it ?
[18:56] <WitherSlick> The thing is, even if activities aren't buggy, I don't see why I would use that instead of a good ol virtual desktop
[18:56] <WitherSlick> I dunno it's just not that compatable with the way I use the computer
[18:56] <SporkWitch> ronnoc: they perform significantly worse than virtual desktops, and while yes you can tie additional settings to a particular activity, they fall short of the simplicity of virtual desktops.  By all means, have them in, let the people that want use them, but they crippled virtual desktops to try to force us to use activities.  The response in the bug reports?  "people use virtual desktops how we
[18:56] <SporkWitch> see activities being designed for, so use those"
[18:57] <SporkWitch> i can't even restore my normal workflow, because one of the massive bugs right now is that hotkeys to switch directly to a particular activity don't work
[18:57] <SporkWitch> you can map them, but they won't do anything
[18:58] <BluesKaj_> SporkWitch:  do you have a hotkeys option in your uefi/bnios?
[18:58] <SporkWitch> so instead of ctrl+f1-4 to switch between them, i have to cycle through them, which takes nearly a full second
[18:59] <ronnoc> SporkWitch: Well that would be an issue. Maybe the activity-switcher plasmoid has been ported over and you can try that for 1-click switching in your panel?
[18:59] <SporkWitch> BluesKaj_: BIOS, and not relevant.  ctrl+f1-4 work for virtual desktop switching.  clear those bindings, set them to switch directly to an activity, and they don't do anything
[18:59] <SporkWitch> why would i want to click anything?
[19:00] <SporkWitch> i should now have to take my hands off the keyboard, grab the rat, minimize the window, click the activity, then put down the rat and go back to the keyboard?
[19:00] <WitherSlick> It's quite possible to have 2 seperate linux distros on one hard drive correct? Like when I install Xubuntu could I use half my hard disk and put manjaro on the other half?
[19:00] <SporkWitch> and again, activities take around 1-2 seconds to switch between, as opposed to virtual desktops which take exactly as long as you set the animation to
[19:00] <SporkWitch> WitherSlick: yes
[19:01] <SporkWitch> WitherSlick: and when it installs the bootloader, it'll probe for other operating systems on the various drives in your system (including windows) and set up entries in grub for it
[19:01] <ronnoc> SporkWitch: well that would be a personal preference I suppose...but I did say to put the plasmoid in the panel...so the minimizing, etc. you mentioned would not be necessary. But I'm sure key bindings will be fixed soon enough. Is there a bug report?
[19:01] <SporkWitch> (well, most distros will, anyway)
[19:01] <SporkWitch> ronnoc: i believe so
[19:01] <SporkWitch> i'd rather they just restore virtual desktops
[19:02] <SporkWitch> no reason to have REMOVED the ability to have different widgets and wallpapers
[19:02] <BluesKaj_> SporkWitch:  well, I have a hotkey option in the bios so that's why I mentioned it...i don't use many KB shortcuts
[19:02] <SporkWitch> i don't want to use activities, because they don't work nearly as well, and it's a solution looking for a problem
[19:03] <BluesKaj_> virtual desktops do work, just the separate wallpapers don't
[19:03] <SporkWitch> BluesKaj_: and separate widgets
[19:03] <SporkWitch> BluesKaj_: so either don't use widgets, or don't use virtual desktops
[19:04] <SporkWitch> and then there's how massively buggy moving windows between activities is
[19:04] <SporkWitch> move it to another, and it still thinks it's there and you're interacting with that instead of what's actually shown on the screen
[19:05] <BluesKaj_> activities works if you set them up in with more actions in the titlebar dialog
[19:05] <SporkWitch> assuming of course moving it to the other activity didn't crash the app you moved
[19:06] <SporkWitch> and even if they fix all of the bugs mentioned, we're still left with the fact that activities takes an eternity to switch to, compared to virtual desktops which are instant
[19:06] <BluesKaj_> I was upset about the lack of support for VDs as well, but actitvities isn't a bad substitute
[19:06] <SporkWitch> and each one of these complaints has been present since 15.04, from what i've seen googling around trying to fix them
[19:07] <SporkWitch> yes, it is.  it's an absolutely horrible substitute, for all of the reasons mentioned
[19:07] <SporkWitch> hence people complaining about how terrible the crippling of virtual desktops is, since they crippled them in 15.04
[19:07] <BluesKaj_> oh lord, ok I'll back off ...not much point goind any further with this
[19:09] <BluesKaj_> SporkWitch:  btw you could bring your "issues" over to #kubuntu-devel
[19:09] <SporkWitch> make them work exactly like and as stable, fast, and well as virtual desktops, and they'd be an improvement; without ALL of that, no, they're not an acceptable substitute, because they fail at doing all the things virtual desktops have done since at least 12.04
[19:10]  * BluesKaj_ wanders off to do other things
[19:10] <SporkWitch> BluesKaj_: they don't care.  read the bug reports stemming back to 15.04.  the official position is that all is well and you should use acitvities for what they're not good at for what virtual desktops were until they deliberately crippled them
[19:12] <BluesKaj_> SporkWitch:  I ranted about that 6 months ago, if you set up activities like i described you can effectively have VDs
[19:12] <BluesKaj_> ok later
[19:13] <SporkWitch> no, you can't, because moving windows between them is buggy, switching between them is slow, hotkeys don't work, etc.
[19:14] <SporkWitch> they're good for different "modes."  Doing work?  have your setup for that.  Done with work and want to game?  Switch to that.  They completely fail at being part of a single workflow, which virtual desktops actually WERE good for, before being crippled
[19:23] <BluesKaj_> i set the required apps up in the icons only taskbar and the activities they link to open instantly when the icon is clicked
[19:26] <SporkWitch> assuming it magically makes them stop taking 1-2 full seconds to switch between, i'm back to having to pick up the rat, click things, then go back; a delay as bad as the 1-2 seconds you claim it fixes.
[19:26] <SporkWitch> they're not currently capable of replacing virtual desktops, if they ever will be.
[19:27] <AciD`> hi
[19:27] <AciD`> anybody having xenial installed (from on upgrade, not a fresh install) could tell me which version is there plasma-desktop package?
[19:28] <AciD`> on my end I see '4:5.4.3-0ubuntu1', but on http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/plasma-desktop I see that it should really be '4:5.5.5-0ubuntu1'
 5.5.5 I belive
[19:28] <AciD`> weird
[19:28] <SporkWitch> should be 5.5.5
[19:28] <SporkWitch> that's what the 16.04 disk puts on
[19:28] <soee_> *** 4:5.5.5-0ubuntu1 500
[19:29] <BluesKaj_> plasmashell -v in the terminal
[19:30] <AciD`> BluesKaj_ -> 5.4.3
[19:32] <AciD`> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16069970/
[19:32] <BluesKaj_> AciD`:  I have to ask , are your packages up to date?
[19:32] <AciD`> yes, ^
[19:32] <AciD`> perhaps the upgrade from 15.10 left my sources in a bad state
[19:33] <BluesKaj_> have you run a sudo apt full-upgrade?
[19:34] <BluesKaj_> after updating
[19:34] <AciD`> BluesKaj_ -> what's the cmdline exactly?
[19:34] <AciD`> I did a dist-upgrade, isn't that the way to upgrade?
[19:34] <BluesKaj_> sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[19:35] <AciD`> this is my source.list : http://paste.ubuntu.com/16070019/
[19:35] <AciD`> nope, I haven't done that (not ever btw)
[19:35] <AciD`> ah, apt is an alias for apt-get
[19:35] <AciD`> ok
[19:36] <AciD`> I did that
[19:37] <AciD`> do you have the same source.list?
[19:38] <BluesKaj_> my understanding is in 16.04 full-upgrade replaces dist-upgrade
[19:38] <BluesKaj_> yes
[19:38] <AciD`> then I don't get it
[19:38] <AciD`> I don't think I have anything pinned in the preferences either
[19:40] <BluesKaj_> AciD`:  i did clean install of the latest image yesterday
[19:40] <AciD`> it seems you can't upgrade an *ubuntu for years now :(
[19:40] <AciD`> having to re-install from scratch is a bummer
[19:41] <AciD`> well well well
[19:41] <AciD`> I found the problem
[19:41] <AciD`> I was using the 'pf' mirror
[19:41] <AciD`> which hasn't been updated.
[19:41] <AciD`> on to dl 1 more gb of update, yes!
[19:42] <AciD`> perhaps that would explain the many, many bugs I saw in kde for the past few days
[19:44] <BluesKaj_> AciD`:  if you set up separate / and /home partitions then a clean install to / is all that's necessary as long as you set the mountpoint for the existing /home using manual partitioning, which prevents double /home installs. That method usually takes maximum 20 mins
[19:44] <AciD`> BluesKaj_ -> for the base upgrade yes, then you have to select and install all the additionnal software and ppas..
[19:44] <BluesKaj_> and all your previous settings on the default appsare retained
[19:45] <AciD`> if the upgrade fails to deliver a stable system, I guess I'll do that
[19:45] <AciD`> or just go back to Debian ;)
[19:45] <BluesKaj_> well it's worth the trouble IME,been using that method for yrs
[19:47] <BluesKaj_> btw avoid the 3rd party downlods option , that can take much longer
[19:48] <BluesKaj_> well, that's your call
[19:52] <PasNox> which packageshould i install to get QtSql 5 private headers ? there is some libqt5MODULE5-private-dev packages, but none for QtSql ?
[19:54] <PasNox> ah qtbase5-private-dev quite inconsistent
[20:15] <nfk> not to sound too ungrateful but I *REALLY* should remember that the only way to install kubuntu is to pick defaults and pray for the best
[20:16] <nfk> the cool way of installing my native language, updates, restricted bs, etc ended up with an installation without plasmashell binay despite the plasma-desktop package being installed, so much fun
[20:16] <nfk> *binary
[20:30] <comradekingu> nfk, and it will remain the case if you dont provide more info or link to the bugreport
[20:30] <nfk> i do not file bug reports
[20:30]  * clivejo face palms
[20:30] <comradekingu> Not to sound condecending but, that doesnt help
[20:30] <nfk> i just chose latvian, checked install updates, install restricted drivers, flash, etc and then chose manual partitioning but surely that wasn't the cause
[20:31] <nfk> and it successfully finished the installation though at one point near the end it took so long i started digging around to see if it had hanged (no idea, what happened, it eventually carried on)
[20:32] <comradekingu> nfk, https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Bugs/Reporting
[20:32] <nfk>  comradekingu, effort and i do not expect it will help
[20:32] <nfk> i mean, i literally did nothing more than what i described
[20:32] <nfk> and as i said, this has been case forever
[20:33] <comradekingu> Then that is a major bug
[20:33] <nfk> the only way to install kubuntu any version is to pick defaults and pray
[20:33] <comradekingu> Possibly its platform specific, or related to latvian
[20:33] <comradekingu> But we will never know if you just downfall of the commons
[20:33] <clivejo> devs are mind readers they should just know you have a problem and fix it
[20:34] <nfk> i do expect that after something like 20 years in the development that dpkg should be solid enough to not mess up that badly
[20:34] <comradekingu> possibly also why people who gun-and-run the IRC dont get their issues fixed
[20:34] <nfk> comradekingu, i'll just get it installed one way or another and that's it
[20:35] <comradekingu> nfk, how is that a dpkg problem?
[20:35] <nfk> comradekingu, i would not be surprised if it messed up, i mean, plasmashell was not in the PATH (sadly it didn't occur to me then to check if PATH was sane)
[20:35] <comradekingu> You are insinuating that after a project has been in development for a number of years, no new bugs are introduced
[20:36] <nfk> i have been installing kubuntu for years, pretty much every version since something like 2009 on my laptop and choosing to install updates always leads to issues
[20:37] <clivejo> and how do you expect the issue to be fixed if you dont report it?
[20:38] <clivejo> I dont think any of our devs are Latvian or speak the language, so how would they know there is a problem?
[20:39] <comradekingu> Maybe people are fixing the distros you dont complain about.
[20:39] <clivejo> does it do the same on other distros?
[20:40] <nfk> does what?
[20:41] <nfk> we're talking about installation process here, it would not apply to other distros by defintion
[20:42] <comradekingu> Ubiquity is for example shared among many distros, so is dpkg
[20:43] <comradekingu> And the latvian strings
[20:44] <nfk> yep, $PATH is broken
[20:44] <nfk> no idea what is going on there, let me try ssh into it from this box
[20:48] <nfk> assuming it's not an issue with the fact that i used a usb drive to install or that i'm using btrfs for / and /boot and carrying over my old /home (which could be the case, i guess) it's the language, time to try english and we'll see if it's any better, somehow i'm suspecting some file in my $HOME but i can't imagine what could it be that would clobber $PATH
[21:10] <Student1209> I Know that this isnt the right chat, but the only one i know to meet programmers. i've got a problem with the return value of pthreads. anybody fit on this?
[21:15] <nfk> Student1209, gosh, did they kick you out of stackexchange and ##c++basic?
[21:15] <nfk> though i guess you'd need some c channel, i'm sure there's one, like, #c
[21:15] <nfk> also, who uses c these days?
[21:15] <Student1209> what is stackexchange?
[21:16] <nfk> wow, seriously, i mean, if you enter you question in google something from stackexchange will almost certainly be among first 5 results
[21:16] <nfk> often first or second
[21:16] <nfk> *your question
[21:17] <Student1209> i saw a related problem on stackoverflow but answer dosnt fit
[21:17] <nfk> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2251452/how-to-return-a-value-from-thread-in-c
[21:17] <nfk> yeah, stackoverflow is part of stackexchange
[21:17] <nfk> just like expertsexchange
[21:17] <nfk> or so i think
[21:17] <Student1209> exactly what i found
[21:17] <nfk> and if you read that as expert sex change, you're not the first or last person to do so
[21:18] <nfk> so what is your quesiton, dammit?
[21:18] <goddard> anyone know why dolphin isn't using keyfiles ?
[21:18] <goddard> when trying to connect via sftp?
[21:19] <nfk> goddard, if ssh-agent is working, no idea, i just use konsole
[21:19] <Student1209> I want to get an integer returned. and if i'm copiing this code, with the right marked answer it returns an very high valie an not 43
[21:19] <Student1209> or 42
[21:19] <goddard> nfk i do as well for ssh tasks but file mainipulation is easier in dolphin
[21:19] <nfk> goddard, note that it probably does not work if you start it manually after login, it needs to run early on so that SSH_AGENT or somesuch variable is set in the plasma env
[21:20] <nfk> Student1209, dude, did you read that link i posted? it seems like it's exactly what you want
[21:20] <goddard> nfk: i use an ssh config that tells which key files to use
[21:20] <nfk> goddard, so, do you have ssh-agent running and how do you start it?
[21:20] <nfk> what is that even?
[21:21] <Student1209> ist is exactly my problem. but it doesnt work for me. i dont know why
[21:21] <nfk> what ae you even talking about? you do not have to manually pick private keys
[21:21] <goddard> nfk: it makes it easier
[21:22] <nfk> ugh, what?
[21:22] <nfk> i'll try it myself, after i have gotten my kubuntu working
[21:22] <Student1209> return is -1436807412 an not 42
[21:22] <nfk> goddard, btw, have you considered sshfs?
[21:22] <goddard> nfk: have you ever used a config file in your .ssh folder?
[21:22] <nfk> i don't think so
[21:23] <goddard> nfk: you can define a key file port number and also if you want to connect with a key file and password or some other option
[21:23] <goddard> it makes it easier so you don't have to enter multiple elements each time
[21:23] <nfk> Student1209, that's exactly what was asked in what i linked you, it's the address where the result was or something like that
[21:24] <Student1209> i copied it and used the answer. result is what i said and noch 42.
[21:24] <nfk> you should just return the actual result not use ptherad_exit from what i gather but you really should not be using C if you can help it
[21:24] <goddard> nfk: no because that is what dolphin does and you can save your bookmarks on the side menu
[21:24] <nfk> Student1209, because it was an example that was not working, you can't ask question without example code, read the answer below the question
[21:25] <Student1209> void *myThread()
[21:25] <Student1209> {
[21:25] <Student1209>    int ret = 42;
[21:25] <Student1209>    return (void*) &ret;
[21:25] <Student1209> }
[21:25] <Student1209> int main()
[21:25] <Student1209> {
[21:25] <nfk> let's hope he does not come back
[21:25] <nfk> goddard, i'm not sure what's the point of such a file, honestly
[21:26] <goddard> nfk: some ssh connections are more complicated
[21:26] <nfk> i mean, you should not be keeping a password in a file and doing it two factor way is a bit useless in my opinion
[21:26] <nfk> goddard, the ones you described are uselessly complicated
[21:26] <goddard> nfk: not really
[21:26] <goddard> but that is besides the point
[21:27] <goddard> dolphin is asking for a password clearly not obeying the ssh config
[21:27] <nfk> like weird port number, i just remember mine from the top of my head and it's in the end useless, not using 22 just stops the cretins from banging on your ssh door, the really dangerous people will still find your ssh as it's been trivial to scan the whole internet for years now
[21:27] <nfk> goddard, first of all, disable the password auth in the first place
[21:27] <nfk> it being on is a very extremely absolutely bad idea
[21:27] <nfk> to the most
[21:28] <nfk> even within LAN you should be using eliptic curves these days
[21:28] <goddard> nfk: i dont know where you got the idea a password auth is enabled
[21:29] <goddard> what do you mean?
[21:29] <nfk> the fact that it asks for the password
[21:29] <nfk> if password auth is disabled, ssh will never ask you for a password, it will just fail with pubkey auth failed or something like that
[21:29] <nfk> if it still asks for a password, something is very wrong
[21:31] <nfk> also, i just read that code he pasted, and oh my god, that's funny
[21:31] <goddard> nfk: so you are suggesting everyone's setup is the same as yours and dolphin shouldn't listen to the ssh config file?
[21:31] <nfk> he actually told it to return the address, gosh
[21:31] <nfk> hahaa
[21:32] <nfk> goddard, no, i'm telling you that you must disable password auth on your server and then client config is all but useless
[21:32] <goddard> nfk: not everyone has that option so it isn't really a good solution
[21:32] <nfk> do the setup if you must, then ssh-copy-id, check it works and then you disable plaintext auth
[21:32] <goddard> a good suggestion but not helpful in this instance
[21:32] <nfk> goddard, but you must have that option
[21:33] <nfk> using plaintext passwords is asking for trouble
[21:34] <nfk> even pivate keys without passwords (encryption) are often the source of a wide, serious and persistent intrusion
[21:34] <goddard> yes, but some services don't offer that option
[21:34] <nfk> that's actual data from our CERT
[21:34] <goddard> nfk: how is that?
[21:34] <nfk> goddard, what services? even shitbucket has RSA
[21:35] <goddard> not ever service has the option to disable logins of that type
[21:35] <nfk> you get rid of such services then
[21:36] <goddard> nfk: ok so because dolphin doesn't pay attention to ssh conigs properly let me change absolutely everything I am doing
[21:36] <goddard> fuck that
[21:36] <goddard> haha
[21:37] <nfk> goddard, if your servers actually use plaintext auth, absolutely
[21:37] <goddard> nfk: this is really bad advice
[21:38] <goddard> thanks but this can't be the solution
[21:38] <nfk> also, i just tried and it seems that even though the error message is different, even my router refuses the correct password (tried  it 6 times) and that's a commercial device
[21:38] <nfk> goddard, it's the only right advice
[21:38] <nfk> goddard, okay, tell me, what do you have there that must have such joke security?
[21:38] <goddard> i have nothing
[21:39] <nfk> so you're a toll, fine
[21:39] <goddard> it isn't my shit and i really don't care about their security and i am not a sys admin and i dont want to be
[21:39] <nfk> *troll
[21:39] <goddard> i am just working on changing some damn files dude
[21:39] <goddard> for some one else
[21:39] <nfk> goddard, security should still be fixed
[21:39] <goddard> i want to use dolphin to login and copy and changes some files
[21:39] <goddard> so what
[21:39] <goddard> i dont care
[21:39] <nfk> also, just use sshfs and stop crying about dolphin
[21:39] <goddard> it isn't my shit
[21:40] <goddard> i am not paid as a secruity advisor
[21:40] <nfk> no, but you're definitely paid to be a dick, it seems
[21:40] <goddard> nfk: the only dick here is you
[21:40] <nfk> it takes one to no one
[21:40] <goddard> you know if don't know that is a good answer
[21:40] <goddard> you dont have to make up a bunch of stuff
[21:40] <nfk> i'm not making this up
[21:41] <goddard> you don't know how to fix the issue in dolphin therefore you do not know
[21:41] <goddard> listen man thanks for the input but that isn't my problem
[21:42] <nfk> there are more worms than ever that try to randomly brute force *nix boxes to add them to a botnet
[21:42] <nfk> and pubkye-only auth is a great way to give them the middle finge
[21:42] <nfk> r
[21:42] <nfk> not to mention that if someone gets the password, that's it
[21:43] <goddard> ok but again I am not doing a system audit
[21:43] <nfk> with a password protected private key they get to brute force that first which hopefully will take them years if you have done it right by which point it will be hopefully useless even if you hadn't caught on to the fact that it's been stolen
[21:44] <nfk> goddard, also, sshfs, for the i don't know which time
[21:44] <nfk> it will just work
[21:46] <goddard> nfk: well so does scp and rsync and a bunch of other tools but I am trying to use Dolphin
[21:46] <nfk> for fucks sake, sshfs will do what you want
[21:47] <nfk> dolphin won't even know it's not a local folder
[21:47] <nfk> and it works with anything that's posix compliant
[21:48] <nfk> at this point you'e justa troll, hence not worth talking to you
[21:49] <goddard> nfk: i am a troll because you are repetatively saying the same thing over and over and not helping with my actual issue?
[21:50] <nfk> if you want to use dolphin to copy files, sshfs will let you do what you want and it will work with anything
[21:50] <nfk> if you want to get dolphin sorted, i told you to descibe if and how your ssh-agent is started but whatever, i have wasted enough of my time
[21:51] <nfk> *describe
[21:55] <goddard> So I should just use ssfs and ssh-agent and i just tell my computer hey computer use ssfs and ssh-agent instead thanks mr. puter
[21:55] <goddard> ?
[21:55] <goddard> what does that even mean dude?
[21:56] <nfk> have you heard of google?
[21:56] <nfk> also, it's sshfs but i'm sure you're just intentionally wasting my time
[21:56] <goddard> so instead of telling me how to fix a problem i should just use google?  So why even talk on irc?
[21:57] <goddard> if all problems can just be solved by a search engine why use irc to figure out a problem?
[21:57] <viewer|91144> what's the problem?
[21:58] <viewer|91144> if all problems can just be solved by a search engine why use irc to figure out a problem?
[21:58] <viewer|91144> I just joined IRC for the first time in 10 years so hit me with a question :D
[21:58] <goddard> haha
[21:59] <goddard> just trying to get dolphin to follow the rules of my ssh-config
[21:59] <goddard> i recently switched from unity to kde and i had all my bookmarks setup in nautilus
[21:59] <goddard> i know the kde system probably doesn't use the gnome key manager
[22:00] <viewer|91144> most definitely
[22:00] <goddard> i don't know how to force dolphin to even ask for my key file or if it is even recognizeed
[22:00] <goddard> or if it is even setup properly in the kde wallet
[22:01] <viewer|91144> you mean your private / public key pair or a specific one for a specific host?
[22:01] <viewer|91144> the default one or a specific one?
[22:03] <goddard> a specific file for a specific host
[22:03] <viewer|91144> I've done this once ... for an amazon instance
[22:03] <viewer|91144> hmmmm ....
[22:05] <goddard> it works on some hosts but others it doesn't
[22:05] <viewer|91144> try adding to /home/youruser/.ssh/config some lines:
[22:05] <viewer|91144> Host amazonhost
[22:06] <viewer|91144> HostName myhost.aws.amazon.com
[22:06] <viewer|91144> IdentityFile /home/youruser/.ssh/amazonrsakey
[22:07] <viewer|91144> which should be 600 as far as rights go (-rw --- ---)
[22:08] <goddard> viewer|91144: yeah thats what i did in unity and it works
[22:08] <goddard> not working on dolphin because i think i have to add the key to kdewallet?
[22:09] <goddard> requires an additional password usually unlocked when logging in
[22:09] <viewer|91144> nope
[22:09] <viewer|91144> don't think so. dolphin does not care about the wallet as it can pull stuff from ssh directly
[22:10] <viewer|91144> it does not need to consult with the wallet I think
[22:10] <viewer|91144> let me test on a host
[22:11] <viewer|91144> sftp://pi@x.x.x.x:2222/
[22:11] <viewer|91144> just connected to this pi using the default key. will generate fresh one, import it and test that one as well
[22:12] <goddard> make sure to give the key a password
[22:12] <goddard> mine has one
[22:14] <viewer|91144> k
[22:23] <viewer|91144> it asked me for the paraphrase
[22:23] <viewer|91144> I suppose you want the wallet to handle this for you?
[22:23] <goddard> viewer|91144: damn i dont know why mine isn't asking
[22:23] <goddard> it just fails
[22:23] <viewer|91144> btw, I run KDE - Be Free!
[22:23] <viewer|91144> Platform Version 4.13.3
[22:24] <viewer|91144> it's 14.4 I think, the lts
[22:24] <viewer|91144> well I've noticed that with all the opendesktop crap, if you switch between window/desktop managers, things tend to get wacky
[22:25] <viewer|91144> default programs and alike tend to get messed up. I never used unity in my life. tried on a vm for 5 minutes, only for a good laugh :D
[22:26] <goddard> viewer|91144: i like unity, but i hate gtk/gnome
[22:27] <goddard> making interfaces for infants
[22:27] <goddard> i like the design of unity
[22:27] <viewer|91144> there are just too many variables in the mix I think. what you get when you install a fresh kde is a "blessed" package list
[22:27] <goddard> launcher on the left with a global menu at the top is cool for my work flow
[22:27] <goddard> yeah
[22:27] <viewer|91144> I don't think I can help you much deeper then this without digging into the code
[22:27] <goddard> im on 14.04 so maybe I will do a fresh install in the first point release
[22:28] <viewer|91144> Well you have this in all desktop managers. It's just a matter of customization.
[22:29] <viewer|91144> I like kde cause it gets out of my way and it's stable, robust, complete. It has all the bells and whistles where you expect them.
[22:29] <goddard> viewer|91144: yeah
[22:29] <goddard> viewer|91144: yeah it really is complete.
[22:29] <goddard> so customizable
[22:29] <goddard> and Qt is awesome
[22:30] <goddard> i really like how you can easily customize it as well by downloading new themes etc..
[22:30] <viewer|91144> so to sum it up, who knows what wacky stuff goes on there? I don't think I can be of much use without reproducing the problem myself
[22:31] <viewer|91144> well they built on what they already had. gnome blew it big time. shuttleworth tried the unity thing which will mature in time but it's just not there yet IMHO
[22:31] <viewer|91144> he needs to throw another 20 million $ at it or something...
[22:31] <goddard> the new unity is based on qt so it will be much better
[22:31] <goddard> hopefully they get away from gnome apps
[22:32] <goddard> i feel like they purposefully sabatoge other projects
[22:32] <goddard> gnome software in 16.04 doesn't even search properly
[22:33] <viewer|91144> I never attribute to malice what can be best explained by arrogance and incompetence.
[22:33] <goddard> seems like they just ignore KDE apps and I don't know why.  Muon Discover is way more feature rich and an older code base
[22:33] <goddard> yeah true
[22:34] <viewer|91144> you should have seen the first kde4 versions. it was worse then gnome is today :D
[22:34] <goddard> i bet but they have been breaking things for over a year now
[22:35] <goddard> im still on KDE 4 in 14.04 and kinda glad since I get the File Menu widget
[22:39] <viewer|91144> if you mess with the widgets enough, you can get the right taskbar for your needs. I use icon only taskbar and the classic "start" menu, tray and that's it. the finder like alt+space thing is really useful too. and if you tweak the window icons of kwin enough and other such settings which you get used to cause they don't change their position from
[22:39] <viewer|91144> version to version, you have a working desktop
[22:43] <goddard> viewer|91144: yeah kde is so customizable i was really surprised i could change the configuration so easily
[22:44] <viewer|91144> my suggestion is try and do a clean install, if that's even an option, while maintaining the old system + profile so you can import what you've forgotten on the first run
[22:46] <viewer|91144> who knows how deep you'd have to dig to fix this one? I really could not be bothered to dig any deeper into the implementation code of deciding when to prompt for a paraphrase or not
[22:46] <goddard> totally agree
[22:47] <goddard> i really want to do a fresh install any way
[22:47] <goddard> been running this system for over 2 years now
[22:47] <viewer|91144> I mean hacking is cool and all but I suppose a driver is way cooler then boring open desktop rfc crap or whatever it is.
[22:48] <goddard> i got my own projects i am working on and learning driver level code so don't have much time to hack on kde
[22:48] <goddard> would love to work on the File Menu widget some day
[22:48] <goddard> make some all the applications work with it
[22:48] <goddard> maybe improve the windows controls widget as well
[22:49] <goddard> you ever done a widget?
[22:49] <viewer|91144> nope.
[22:49] <viewer|91144> these days i'm more into electronics
[22:50] <viewer|91144> i've had a mac for a while (from work) and have done some in that
[22:50] <viewer|91144> cause a mac is like a blonde or something. fun but lacking the bare minimum
[22:52] <goddard> haha
[22:53] <goddard> yeah i have a teensy and a usart device
[22:53] <goddard> i am working on a kind of man in the middle attack for usb devices
[22:53] <viewer|91144> i really like where they're going with elementary
[22:53] <viewer|91144> omg! somebody asked for something fun like that
[22:53] <Bundestrojaner> good evening
[22:54] <viewer|91144> at first they needed a cllone for a dongle
[22:54] <viewer|91144> and a good evening to you too!
[22:54] <Bundestrojaner> I've installed kubuntu 15.10 on my hp dv7-4051 (radeon 5650m) and the proprietary ati-driver using the driver manager, now it doesn't boot any more.
[22:54] <Bundestrojaner> I have no idea how to trouble shoot this - the splash screen looks normal, than disappears and nothing happens after that
[22:54] <goddard> yeah i just want to be able to listen and send what ever signals i want
[22:55] <viewer|91144> Bundestrojaner: if you hit ctrl + alt + f1 or just alt + f1, do you see a prompt?
[22:55] <goddard> they have some devices that do that, but they are super expensive
[22:57] <Bundestrojaner> viewer|91144: yes, i can switch to a login
[22:57] <viewer|91144> electronics and embedded is the new wild west. this iot thing which is kind of silly at times will be the next thing. I'd do a project with a 12 step graycode encoder attached to a toilet paper roll to tweet your bowel movement status just for a good laugh
[22:58] <viewer|91144> it tends to become Monty Python silly quite fast and we don't quite know what to make of it yet
[22:58] <viewer|91144> Bundestrojaner: so let's get rid of the darn radeon thing. dunno how to do this but will google it. had the same issue once
[22:58] <goddard> haha
[22:58] <viewer|91144> a loooong time ago
[22:59] <viewer|91144> goddard: i'd even start a kickstarter. what the heck? they funded solar roadways, right?
[22:59] <Bundestrojaner> viewer|91144: thx for help :) i guess i can set that in xorg.conf?
[22:59] <nfk> Bundestrojaner, why aren't you using the new and shiny 16.04 LTS?
[23:00] <goddard> hey man France just installed their first partial solar roadway
[23:00] <Bundestrojaner> nfk: i've installed it 1-2 month ago. my laptop is not in use very often
[23:01] <Bundestrojaner> the default driver (a open driver, i guess?) worked well, but steam won't start with it...
[23:01] <nfk> well, a good reason to try the new LTS then and unless you actually need that radeon binary hell on earth, you are probably better off without it
[23:01] <nfk> and be happy it works any way at all
[23:02] <nfk> Bundestrojaner, ah, steam, well, you get to read up on the radeon driver mess then, or just use windows
[23:02] <nfk> sadly that's the conclusion i came to after trying steam on linux
[23:03] <Bundestrojaner> nfk: steam on linux is great, ati on linux is the problem...
[23:03] <nfk> it's radeon for the past 10 years
[23:03] <nfk> er
[23:03] <nfk>  amd
[23:03] <viewer|91144> Bundestrojaner: I just buy nvidia. I'm running all the blizzard stuff like diablo and sc2, not that I've played any of these in the last 1 year or something but in deed, you
[23:03] <Bundestrojaner> nfk: the stick on my laptop says ati radeon
[23:03] <nfk> and i know how awful they are, my lenovo has an integrated radeon
[23:03] <nfk> never again
[23:04] <viewer|91144> re better off with windows when using amd stuff
[23:04] <viewer|91144> all lenovos have a fetish with it
[23:04] <nfk> Bundestrojaner, it's definitely new enough to be amd
[23:05] <viewer|91144> when it comes to video, linux is a second class citizen. I'd switch to windows if I want to play new games
[23:05] <nfk> viewer|91144, don't worry, wow misrenders even on windows back in the day
[23:05] <nfk> *misrendered
[23:06] <nfk> yes, wow, the basic mmorpg
[23:06] <nfk> way back
[23:06] <Bundestrojaner> viewer|91144: my desktop has an nvidia, no problems there with linux
[23:06] <nfk> except lack of games
[23:06] <nfk> and then there's stuff that you get to buy per platform, yuck
[23:07] <Bundestrojaner> nfk: most games work with playonlinux
[23:08] <viewer|91144> I'm wondering, is there a warez thing to get a decent wineprefix full of copyright infringing dlls in order to get pretty much everything possible working?
[23:09] <nfk> i tried running via wine prefix but gave up
[23:09] <nfk> so much borks
[23:09] <nfk> just getting steam itself running without a hitch was basically mission impossible
[23:09] <bprompt> viewer|91144:    would you like fries with that?
[23:09] <viewer|91144> yup! in mac they have a thing called wineskin or winery or something
[23:09] <nfk> much less get even tf2 running
[23:10] <viewer|91144> :D
[23:11] <nfk> wow, age verificaiton and that image do not match together http://store.steampowered.com/app/416130/
[23:11] <viewer|91144> ok ok. I see a niche for some heavy wine scripting here. let's cook up a project to package, envelop custom wine builds and libraries around win software. each totally isolated from the next
[23:12] <nfk> speaking of whch, should i read pratchett or try setting up saya no uta on my new kubuntu install?
[23:12] <nfk> *which
[23:12] <Bundestrojaner> viewer|91144: have a look on playonlinux. it's what you describe here...
[23:14] <viewer|91144> thank you. almost reinvented the wheel there... :D
[23:19] <Bundestrojaner> when i install the latest kubuntu, how are the chances for prop. drivers working out of the box?
[23:20] <viewer|91144> pretty big actually
[23:20] <nfk> no idea, amd is introducing that new amdgpu or whatever and it's a mess
[23:20] <viewer|91144> except for ATI of course :D
[23:20] <nfk> honestly, i never have understood radeon driver bs but amdgpu or whatever is taking the cake and trying to kill you with it
[23:21] <viewer|91144> amd are great perforrmancewise but those bastards can't code to save their lives
[23:21] <nfk> i'm not so sue
[23:21] <nfk> *sure
[23:22] <viewer|91144> so nvidia has this cuda thing to which amd responded with opencl. opencl is an unmitigated disaster
[23:22] <nfk> intel also uses opencl
[23:22] <viewer|91144> the compiler is as optimized as entropy in a gas
[23:22] <nfk> and it's not about standards, it's about raw driver quality
[23:24] <Bundestrojaner> before i try prop. amd-drivers the next time: can i copy xorg.conf and simply restore it in case of fail?
[23:24] <viewer|91144> hmmmm
[23:24] <Bundestrojaner> or is that not enough to use the open drivers again?
[23:25] <viewer|91144> they might overwrite some generic libraries. not sure of that. better save then sorry though. i once had to purge the packages and reinstall/reconfigure the defaults, if I remember correctly
[23:25] <viewer|91144> what have you got to lose?
[23:25] <viewer|91144> back it up
[23:26] <Bundestrojaner> it's also no problem to format the disk and re-install. no important data yet
[23:27] <viewer|91144> http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Oneiric_Installation_Guide#Removing_Catalyst.2Ffglrx
[23:27] <viewer|91144> this worked for me a few years ago
[23:27] <viewer|91144> had a tiny lenovo laptop :D
[23:29] <viewer|91144> in fact I think the laptop works with the defaults to this day
[23:58] <nfk> night