[00:49] anyone know how to get video thumbnail previews to work in Dolphin, in 16.04? [01:02] JMichaelX: install ffmpegthumbs [01:03] should work anyway... doesn't seem that it supports the format any of my videos are in... [01:05] i have ffmpegthumbs installed, but still no video preview thumbnails [01:08] Has anyone experience screen refresh rate issues with 16.04? [01:46] Welp I've basically got all my shit set back up in 16.04 now (thankfully that reinstall didn't set me "too" far back) [02:26] hello === jhunold is now known as jayhunold === kat_ is now known as kat_xy [05:36] I'm getting a lot of 'forbidden file type' errors when trying to update using apt-get, can anyone help? https://gist.github.com/thelionroars/b47594f8afa1191c576640424cd1a0c3 [05:52] thelionroars: I presume you use apt-cacher-ng? [05:53] how presumptuous of you [05:53] but yes [05:57] 0.8.8-1 in Debian (not sure if the fix was backported) was the first one to support appstream. I believe by-hash was backported, though. [05:58] (LP #819852) [05:58] Error: Launchpad bug 819852 could not be found [05:58] Err, right... [06:01] So yes, 0.7.26-1ubuntu0.1 in trusty *should* work: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt-cacher-ng/0.7.26-1ubuntu0.1 [07:21] Can anyone tell me what the default password is for kdewallet? [07:23] user|50900: afaik, there is no default password [07:24] It asks me for a password when connecting to wifi after restart and I haven't gotten the option to set it [07:26] hmmm, I use my user password for that [07:26] try that? [07:26] That doesn't work for me [07:28] :( [07:28] how about return? [07:29] some use no password at all [07:29] also not working [07:31] I guess you could ask in #kde; nobody else seems to be here [07:31] answering, I mean === Zren_ is now known as Zren [08:05] hey all. [08:07] does anybody also has issue in dolphin (15.12.3 kde fw 5.18.0) on editing places and set an icon? i only can set system icons, but can't choose other icons, eg. own made icons... it does not open any selection dialog [08:07] edit place > clock on: Choose an icon > select: Other icons > click: Browse... nothing happens [08:36] hello [08:36] I'm testing kubuntu 16.04 on my laptop [08:37] everinth seems to be fine, just a litte wireless problem [08:37] everything [08:38] my wifi card is seen by Kubuntu [08:38] but not by network manager [08:38] fbr: How do you mean it is "seen"? [08:38] fbr: Does it show when you run "lspci" ? [08:39] $ sudo iwconfig [08:39] wlp5s0 IEEE 802.11abgn ESSID:off/any [08:39] Mode:Managed Access Point: Not-Associated Tx-Power=0 dBm [08:39] Retry short limit:7 RTS thr:off Fragment thr:off [08:39] Encryption key:off [08:39] Power Management:on [08:40] but nothing in network manager [08:41] my laptop is a Toshiba Tecra A50 that's working fine on 14.04 [08:41] fbr: Yes but what chipset does it use? [08:42] It's very possible there's a kernel regression [08:42] my chipset : Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless 7260 (rev 73) [08:43] That's quite strange, I use the same exact chipset [08:43] fbr: Altho I had one boot fail for me, same thing as for you [08:43] Just rebooted and network-manager behaved like it should again [08:44] I didnt try reloading modules/nm, reboot is just as fast... [08:44] I've reboot this morning but nothing change in network manager [08:44] fbr: Anything interesting in dmesg? [08:44] no [08:45] and if I use iwconfig I think I can configure wifi access [08:45] but it's a little bit easier with network manager :) [08:46] fbr: and no luck if you "sudo systemctl restart NetworkManager.service" ? [08:46] in [08:46] Yesssss !!!! [08:47] I can see wifi network [08:47] what the fuck ?? Network manager start before wifi card ? [08:47] !language [08:47] The main Ubuntu channels require that you speak in calm, polite English. For other languages, please visit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList [08:47] fbr: Yes I have seen some bugs about this [08:48] Can't find a correct one right now tho [08:48] At any rate, there's a workaround for now [08:48] yes thanks for your help ! [08:49] maybe a right problem for network manager ? [08:50] what is the good way to help to correct this issue ? [09:09] <@Sick_Rimmit>: Systemd dependency in Systemctl startup script probably would fix it. [09:10] <@Sick_Rimmit>: Would be good to have a Bug report on launchpad for this, see it we can replicate it [09:10] <@Sick_Rimmit>: fbr [09:10] <@Sick_Rimmit>: Thanks === ghostcube_ is now known as ghostcube [09:26] launchpad kubuntu ou ubuntu ? [09:27] s/ou/or/ [09:33] !bug | fbr [09:33] fbr: If you find a bug in Kubuntu, please follow the instructions at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Bugs/Reporting to report the issue to the developers. [09:48] <@Sick_Rimmit>: I suspect that this is most likely an Ubuntu bug, certainly if you are sure that Netmgr starts before Wifi [09:48] <@Sick_Rimmit>: If you report it to Kubuntu bugs, I will take care of triage later on 😃 === shaun_ is now known as _shaun_ === tom_ is now known as Guest17665 [10:55] I'm curious if anyone else is finding 16.04 glitchy? I freeze up out of nowhere, and figured there would be more updates by now. I wasn't getting any updates, so I manually ran one in konsole. All that updated was a 19 kb file. libmysqlclient20 mysql-client-core-5.7 mysql-common mysql-server-core-5.7. I'm thinking about going back to 14.04 [10:57] AceKing: What freezes? [10:58] hi why only 16.4 lts on the official website? [11:02] hateball: Anything I'm working on. Nothing particular. [11:03] riz__: what updates do you expect ? [11:04] hateball: It happens on both my PC, and laptop. [11:04] im looking for the non lts version soee_ [11:06] hateball: Another thing is setting up my network connections. I automatically connect to a VPN when my connections starts. Every tme I try setting it to automatically connect, I get an error. [11:07] Which by the way, does not automatically connect to the Internet when I first start up. I have to connect manually. [11:13] Hiyas all [11:14] Whenever I go to save a setting in my connections, on both my laptop, and my PC, I get this message: Failed to update connection Wired conn.... connection.gateway-ping-timeout: can not set property: Value "12515872" of type 'guint' is invalid or out of range for property 'gateway-ping-timout' of type 'guint' === N3X15_ is now known as N3X15 [12:10] something I don't understand... [12:11] why there is a mysqld running and consuming 800 000 K of my memory ? [12:12] dsealius, do you use kmail and kontact etc? [12:14] no never [12:15] notice that I install kubuntu 16.04 last week and I just installed some extra package but nothing dealing with mysql [12:21] dsealius, which extra packages? [12:22] hello [12:23] has anyone else a problem with Akregator not saving the content of feeds? [12:24] up to 15.10, when I exited Akregator and restarted, it would save the downloaded feeds and their status (read/unread) [12:24] since 16.04, it doesn't [12:24] it will download the content of my feeds anew and have them all unread [12:25] tried changing the archiving options in the settings, but that didn't help [12:25] <@Sick_Rimmit>: Hmmm... [12:25] <@Sick_Rimmit>: I wonder if it is a change to Akonadi, and the MySQL 5.7 update that has broken something. [12:25] <@Sick_Rimmit>: I take it reprocible [12:26] BLuesKaj, vim build-essential cmake git tmux [12:26] pat_rick, I noticed that too [12:27] BluesKaj: so I'm not alone at least [12:27] <@Sick_Rimmit>: pat_rick: Please could you report a bug on this to bugs.kde.org for akkregator [12:27] dsealius, odd , those packages don't need a db afaik [12:28] in the extended settings, I can choose the archive type, with "metakit" as default and alongsinde an button to edit the settings for that, but this one is greyed out [12:29] not sure if that's connected [12:29] telegram: can do that [12:33] I have a clean install of 16.04 and I don't see where the mysql package is installed at all [12:34] chron1cle, dsealius yeah i checked muon , no mysql installed here either [12:36] apt-cache rdepends mysql-server-5.7 maybe and see what's depending on it? [12:36] mysqld rather, ,,,mysql-common is installed , but it isn't running according to ksysguard [12:39] reverse depends shows me mythtv-backend-master, miriadb-server* and some mysql-related packages [12:39] ahh mythtv [12:40] what's that ? [12:40] !mythtv [12:40] mythtv is a TV framework for Linux - Instructions for using with Ubuntu at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV - For discussion and specific support, try #ubuntu-mythtv [12:40] tv tuner card? [12:41] I don't know that's dell optiplex all in one [12:42] dsealius, mythtv-master-backend has mysql as a dependency [12:42] That is not installed by default, is it? [12:42] if I make a apt-get remove, it removes the followings : [12:42] accountwizard akonadi-backend-mysql akonadi-server akregator kaddressbook [12:42] kdepim-runtime knotes kontact korganizer mysql-server-core-5.7 [12:43] akonadi-server , is a important one isn't it ? [12:43] dsealius, yeah but if you akondi turned off then mysql should also be disabled [12:44] akonadi [12:45] ds turn akonadi -server off if you don't use kmail or any PIM packages, or the baloo search [12:45] dsealius,^ [12:47] baloo search ? is that thing appearing when I press alt+space ? [12:47] https://userbase.kde.org/Akonadi#ApplicationTable [12:48] dsealius, baloo search is in system settings>search>file search [12:50] I turned off akonadi, mysqld has stopped ! [12:50] thank [12:51] good [12:52] is there a command to make it permanent ? [12:52] rc.local ? [12:52] don't think it starts unless you launch one of those apps [12:53] it will be permanent if you don't turn it back on [12:53] akonadi-server that is [12:54] or baloo [12:54] BluesKaj, even after reboot ? [12:54] yes [12:54] good [12:54] I'm new to kde :) === Tin_man is now known as Guest97793 === kubuntu is now known as blaataap [13:44] Hi every one [13:44] Does someone can tell me if Kubuntu 14.04 is end of life ? [13:46] !lts | Kuser|Novice [13:46] Kuser|Novice: LTS means Long Term Support. Until 12.04 LTS versions of Ubuntu were supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server; since 12.04 (Precise Pangolin) LTS versions will be supported for 5 years on the desktop and server. The latest LTS version of Ubuntu is !Xenial (Xenial Xerus 16.04) [13:47] Kuser|Novice: Short answer: No [13:47] okey good news then [13:48] Does anyone know how to fix Dolphin video thumbnails for 16.04 [13:49] I taught it was the reason why I had some 404 Not Found packages when I did an "apt-get update" [13:50] so actually I am unable to understand why it is unable to find those repository [13:53] hateball: do you have any idea why I got that ? [13:56] Kuser|Novice: paste the results of your apt-get update [13:56] !paste [13:56] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.kde.org | To post !screenshots use http://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [13:56] perhaps you have a PPA or something that is no longer functional [13:56] hateball: sur let me do that [13:57] hateball: I was thinking of it but it is the based kubuntu update PPA [14:13] does someone can give some help ? [14:19] Kuser|Novice: with what ? [15:28] hello all [15:28] hey what happened to xchat? I upgraded from 15.10 -> 16.04 and I don't see xchat available anymore (only xchat-gnome, which apparently has different default settings).. what gives/ [15:28] ? [15:32] xchat is dead [15:32] now hexchat === kubuntu is now known as yaftkoldo [15:37] acheron88: can you elaborate on this (I was suspecting this) [15:42] hexchat is a fork/continuation of xchat by other developers [15:43] was originally a fork just to support windows I think, but started doing linux builds when xchat itself died [15:44] it is 99.9% the same as xchat was, just with some updates and fixes [15:44] I'm using it now, and honeslty apartr from a slightly different icon you couldn't tell the difference [15:45] interface & settings the same [15:47] can even copy your xchat settings over to the ~/.config/hexchat/ directory and carry on as if you are using the old xchat [15:58] radeon_gem_object_create:62 alloc size 79Mb bigger than 64Mb limit [15:58] getting that error over and over in dmesg [15:58] just installed the kubuntu packages and after rebooting and loggin in, it just hangs at the splash screen for KDE [16:03] drop to a VT/TTY , login then sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade , if any packages are held back, do sudo apt full-upgrade, then reboot [16:03] CacheMoney,^ [16:04] okay [16:04] ctrl+alt+F1-F6 for the vt [16:04] ik [16:10] hi [16:10] anyone here? [16:11] hi EvilRoey [16:30] hi again [16:36] Any way around the ubi-partman crash on install for 16.04? Single disk, existing Windows partition, trying to install dual-boot. Thanks in advance. [16:38] okay [16:38] oh awesome [16:38] color test2 [16:39] oh great this is the oclor I was looking for. [16:39] nice. [16:39] שלום === ghostcube_ is now known as ghostcube [16:55] got fed up and went back to XFCE lol === N3X15_ is now known as N3X15 === nacho__ is now known as _Roberto42 [17:39] Just when I thought ktorrent was perfect a bug that makes it virtually unusable for me appears. [17:39] sigh [17:40] this was the best torrent client i've ever used, but apperently it can't cross seed torrents. === BluesKaj is now known as BluesKaj_ [17:53] hello [17:53] hiho [17:54] i want to ask a question about kubuntu software center discoverer [17:55] what's your question kyaw [17:55] hi, I changed (kubuntu 16.04) workspace and color theme to breeze dark, however, the window, button backgrounds are still staying light. Its only the borders of the windows that got dark. Is anyone else facing this problem? [17:56] 16.04 software center is showing off-frame text [17:56] am i the only one having it? [17:57] showing texts that is off the frame [17:58] the above three frame that's flipping like every 5 seconds or so. :) === ghostcube__ is now known as ghostcube [18:10] kyaw: make sure your packages are all up to date [18:18] I swear KDE is so fucking nice, but it's so fucking buggy. I'm probably gonna switch back to XFCE :/ [18:19] I don't have that many bugs [18:19] hey, does anyone go issues with the secondary monitor? Mine is getting laggy over time [18:19] Ktorrent still can't cross seed 3 years after the bug report was done [18:19] latest nvidia driver installed, direct rendering enabled.... over 7000 FPS with glxgears [18:20] I'm trying some other distros in VM's atm to decide what to switch to [18:20] heck the software center still can't even search, and the drivers dialog doesn't work. What do you mean there aren't many bugs. [18:23] It's not that I don't like KDE, KDE is awesome. It's just that XFCE doesn't have any of these problems :/ [18:23] neither does GNOME [18:27] WitherSlick, Bugreports and complaining, as you may find, isnt what actually solves bugs [18:28] You can use "apt-cache search" and install a new DE without switching distro [18:29] or just install synaptic, that sounds like what you are after [18:31] comradekingu: I know, I know your right [18:31] I was just a little frustrated tbh [18:32] Sorry guys [18:41] any way to force aptitude to update the package lists if we're getting the "no hash considered strong enough" message? [18:41] it's preventing updates to all of the google applications, as well as hipchat === hledoux is now known as Gaaston [18:43] SporkWitch, you can update the signing checksum on the package archive [18:43] and how would i go about that? [18:43] Or notify whoever is running it that it needs doing [18:44] (i'm inclined to agree with the bug reports that it's BS that a warning prevents it working at all; it's called a warning, not an error, for a reason) [18:44] (if i wanted an operating system to tell me what to do, rather than me tell it what to do, i'd run macos) [18:48] SporkWitch: why not use qBittorrent instead? [18:48] O.o [18:49] oops meant for WitherSlick :P [18:49] was gonna say, i fail to see what a bittorrent client has to do with my package manager lol [18:49] I'd use deluge if I was gonna use an alternate bittorrent client [18:50] qbittorrent is the worst client i've ever used, but it might be better now. I last used it back on windows [18:50] anyway I'm gonna install Xubuntu later guys it was nice chatting with you, and I truly appreciate how helpful you guys have been. [18:50] and yeah, on the rare occasions i need a bittorent client, i use deluge these days [18:50] WitherSlick: i'd go with 14.04 for now, unless you want to do a lot of work [18:51] 16.04 so far has been quite a bit of headache trying to get it back up to par with 14.04 [18:51] Really? [18:51] Well, qBittorrent is at least a Qt app... I use it and it's awesome, TBH. Though I do prefer KTorrent's GUI and it's graph plug-in [18:51] I love ktorrent it's the best client UI I've ever used [18:52] just wish it could cross seed haha [18:52] virtual desktops have been crippled, they're trying to force us to use activities instead and those result in poor performance and are buggy. the driver manager doesn't work, so you have to install proprietary GPU drivers yourself instead of through the menu, the repo signing issue i mentioned a moment ago [18:52] you know what they say...patches are always welcome! [18:52] locale settings are no longer actually customizable (the ability to configure them has been replaced with country drop-downs; you can't actually set things yourself anymore) [18:53] Dang [18:53] on the up-side, the new aesthetics ARE very pretty [18:53] hopefully 16.04's in better shape by 16.10's release [18:55] I've never found activities to be buggy...even back in KDE4. They are actually much moar poewrful than VD's. As for the other issues...the Kubuntu team is (as I'm sure you know) new and small. It'll take a bit of time (16.10 sounds abut right) to get up to speed and get things tight. [18:55] Hi, recently I've installed fresh Kubuntu 16.04 and I'm experiencing some problems with Plasma Desktop when I'm connecting two monitors. Can you please tell me where I can check for bugs in new Kubuntu and eventually report it ? [18:56] The thing is, even if activities aren't buggy, I don't see why I would use that instead of a good ol virtual desktop [18:56] I dunno it's just not that compatable with the way I use the computer [18:56] ronnoc: they perform significantly worse than virtual desktops, and while yes you can tie additional settings to a particular activity, they fall short of the simplicity of virtual desktops. By all means, have them in, let the people that want use them, but they crippled virtual desktops to try to force us to use activities. The response in the bug reports? "people use virtual desktops how we [18:56] see activities being designed for, so use those" [18:57] i can't even restore my normal workflow, because one of the massive bugs right now is that hotkeys to switch directly to a particular activity don't work [18:57] you can map them, but they won't do anything [18:58] SporkWitch: do you have a hotkeys option in your uefi/bnios? [18:58] so instead of ctrl+f1-4 to switch between them, i have to cycle through them, which takes nearly a full second [18:59] SporkWitch: Well that would be an issue. Maybe the activity-switcher plasmoid has been ported over and you can try that for 1-click switching in your panel? [18:59] BluesKaj_: BIOS, and not relevant. ctrl+f1-4 work for virtual desktop switching. clear those bindings, set them to switch directly to an activity, and they don't do anything [18:59] why would i want to click anything? [19:00] i should now have to take my hands off the keyboard, grab the rat, minimize the window, click the activity, then put down the rat and go back to the keyboard? [19:00] It's quite possible to have 2 seperate linux distros on one hard drive correct? Like when I install Xubuntu could I use half my hard disk and put manjaro on the other half? [19:00] and again, activities take around 1-2 seconds to switch between, as opposed to virtual desktops which take exactly as long as you set the animation to [19:00] WitherSlick: yes [19:01] WitherSlick: and when it installs the bootloader, it'll probe for other operating systems on the various drives in your system (including windows) and set up entries in grub for it [19:01] SporkWitch: well that would be a personal preference I suppose...but I did say to put the plasmoid in the panel...so the minimizing, etc. you mentioned would not be necessary. But I'm sure key bindings will be fixed soon enough. Is there a bug report? [19:01] (well, most distros will, anyway) [19:01] ronnoc: i believe so [19:01] i'd rather they just restore virtual desktops [19:02] no reason to have REMOVED the ability to have different widgets and wallpapers [19:02] SporkWitch: well, I have a hotkey option in the bios so that's why I mentioned it...i don't use many KB shortcuts [19:02] i don't want to use activities, because they don't work nearly as well, and it's a solution looking for a problem [19:03] virtual desktops do work, just the separate wallpapers don't [19:03] BluesKaj_: and separate widgets [19:03] BluesKaj_: so either don't use widgets, or don't use virtual desktops [19:04] and then there's how massively buggy moving windows between activities is [19:04] move it to another, and it still thinks it's there and you're interacting with that instead of what's actually shown on the screen [19:05] activities works if you set them up in with more actions in the titlebar dialog [19:05] assuming of course moving it to the other activity didn't crash the app you moved [19:06] and even if they fix all of the bugs mentioned, we're still left with the fact that activities takes an eternity to switch to, compared to virtual desktops which are instant [19:06] I was upset about the lack of support for VDs as well, but actitvities isn't a bad substitute [19:06] and each one of these complaints has been present since 15.04, from what i've seen googling around trying to fix them [19:07] yes, it is. it's an absolutely horrible substitute, for all of the reasons mentioned [19:07] hence people complaining about how terrible the crippling of virtual desktops is, since they crippled them in 15.04 [19:07] oh lord, ok I'll back off ...not much point goind any further with this [19:09] SporkWitch: btw you could bring your "issues" over to #kubuntu-devel [19:09] make them work exactly like and as stable, fast, and well as virtual desktops, and they'd be an improvement; without ALL of that, no, they're not an acceptable substitute, because they fail at doing all the things virtual desktops have done since at least 12.04 [19:10] * BluesKaj_ wanders off to do other things [19:10] BluesKaj_: they don't care. read the bug reports stemming back to 15.04. the official position is that all is well and you should use acitvities for what they're not good at for what virtual desktops were until they deliberately crippled them [19:12] SporkWitch: I ranted about that 6 months ago, if you set up activities like i described you can effectively have VDs [19:12] ok later [19:13] no, you can't, because moving windows between them is buggy, switching between them is slow, hotkeys don't work, etc. [19:14] they're good for different "modes." Doing work? have your setup for that. Done with work and want to game? Switch to that. They completely fail at being part of a single workflow, which virtual desktops actually WERE good for, before being crippled [19:23] i set the required apps up in the icons only taskbar and the activities they link to open instantly when the icon is clicked [19:26] assuming it magically makes them stop taking 1-2 full seconds to switch between, i'm back to having to pick up the rat, click things, then go back; a delay as bad as the 1-2 seconds you claim it fixes. [19:26] they're not currently capable of replacing virtual desktops, if they ever will be. [19:27] hi [19:27] anybody having xenial installed (from on upgrade, not a fresh install) could tell me which version is there plasma-desktop package? [19:28] on my end I see '4:5.4.3-0ubuntu1', but on http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/plasma-desktop I see that it should really be '4:5.5.5-0ubuntu1' [19:28] <@athoneycutt>: 5.5.5 I belive [19:28] weird [19:28] should be 5.5.5 [19:28] that's what the 16.04 disk puts on [19:28] *** 4:5.5.5-0ubuntu1 500 [19:29] plasmashell -v in the terminal [19:30] BluesKaj_ -> 5.4.3 [19:32] http://paste.ubuntu.com/16069970/ [19:32] AciD`: I have to ask , are your packages up to date? [19:32] yes, ^ [19:32] perhaps the upgrade from 15.10 left my sources in a bad state [19:33] have you run a sudo apt full-upgrade? [19:34] after updating [19:34] BluesKaj_ -> what's the cmdline exactly? [19:34] I did a dist-upgrade, isn't that the way to upgrade? [19:34] sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade [19:35] this is my source.list : http://paste.ubuntu.com/16070019/ [19:35] nope, I haven't done that (not ever btw) [19:35] ah, apt is an alias for apt-get [19:35] ok [19:36] I did that === jose__ is now known as _jose- [19:37] do you have the same source.list? [19:38] my understanding is in 16.04 full-upgrade replaces dist-upgrade [19:38] yes [19:38] then I don't get it [19:38] I don't think I have anything pinned in the preferences either [19:40] AciD`: i did clean install of the latest image yesterday [19:40] it seems you can't upgrade an *ubuntu for years now :( [19:40] having to re-install from scratch is a bummer [19:41] well well well [19:41] I found the problem [19:41] I was using the 'pf' mirror [19:41] which hasn't been updated. [19:41] on to dl 1 more gb of update, yes! [19:42] perhaps that would explain the many, many bugs I saw in kde for the past few days [19:44] AciD`: if you set up separate / and /home partitions then a clean install to / is all that's necessary as long as you set the mountpoint for the existing /home using manual partitioning, which prevents double /home installs. That method usually takes maximum 20 mins [19:44] BluesKaj_ -> for the base upgrade yes, then you have to select and install all the additionnal software and ppas.. [19:44] and all your previous settings on the default appsare retained [19:45] if the upgrade fails to deliver a stable system, I guess I'll do that [19:45] or just go back to Debian ;) [19:45] well it's worth the trouble IME,been using that method for yrs [19:47] btw avoid the 3rd party downlods option , that can take much longer [19:48] well, that's your call [19:52] which packageshould i install to get QtSql 5 private headers ? there is some libqt5MODULE5-private-dev packages, but none for QtSql ? [19:54] ah qtbase5-private-dev quite inconsistent [20:15] not to sound too ungrateful but I *REALLY* should remember that the only way to install kubuntu is to pick defaults and pray for the best [20:16] the cool way of installing my native language, updates, restricted bs, etc ended up with an installation without plasmashell binay despite the plasma-desktop package being installed, so much fun [20:16] *binary [20:30] nfk, and it will remain the case if you dont provide more info or link to the bugreport [20:30] i do not file bug reports [20:30] * clivejo face palms [20:30] Not to sound condecending but, that doesnt help [20:30] i just chose latvian, checked install updates, install restricted drivers, flash, etc and then chose manual partitioning but surely that wasn't the cause [20:31] and it successfully finished the installation though at one point near the end it took so long i started digging around to see if it had hanged (no idea, what happened, it eventually carried on) [20:32] nfk, https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Bugs/Reporting [20:32] comradekingu, effort and i do not expect it will help [20:32] i mean, i literally did nothing more than what i described [20:32] and as i said, this has been case forever [20:33] Then that is a major bug [20:33] the only way to install kubuntu any version is to pick defaults and pray [20:33] Possibly its platform specific, or related to latvian [20:33] But we will never know if you just downfall of the commons [20:33] devs are mind readers they should just know you have a problem and fix it [20:34] i do expect that after something like 20 years in the development that dpkg should be solid enough to not mess up that badly [20:34] possibly also why people who gun-and-run the IRC dont get their issues fixed [20:34] comradekingu, i'll just get it installed one way or another and that's it [20:35] nfk, how is that a dpkg problem? [20:35] comradekingu, i would not be surprised if it messed up, i mean, plasmashell was not in the PATH (sadly it didn't occur to me then to check if PATH was sane) [20:35] You are insinuating that after a project has been in development for a number of years, no new bugs are introduced [20:36] i have been installing kubuntu for years, pretty much every version since something like 2009 on my laptop and choosing to install updates always leads to issues [20:37] and how do you expect the issue to be fixed if you dont report it? [20:38] I dont think any of our devs are Latvian or speak the language, so how would they know there is a problem? [20:39] Maybe people are fixing the distros you dont complain about. [20:39] does it do the same on other distros? [20:40] does what? [20:41] we're talking about installation process here, it would not apply to other distros by defintion [20:42] Ubiquity is for example shared among many distros, so is dpkg [20:43] And the latvian strings [20:44] yep, $PATH is broken [20:44] no idea what is going on there, let me try ssh into it from this box [20:48] assuming it's not an issue with the fact that i used a usb drive to install or that i'm using btrfs for / and /boot and carrying over my old /home (which could be the case, i guess) it's the language, time to try english and we'll see if it's any better, somehow i'm suspecting some file in my $HOME but i can't imagine what could it be that would clobber $PATH [21:10] I Know that this isnt the right chat, but the only one i know to meet programmers. i've got a problem with the return value of pthreads. anybody fit on this? [21:15] Student1209, gosh, did they kick you out of stackexchange and ##c++basic? [21:15] though i guess you'd need some c channel, i'm sure there's one, like, #c [21:15] also, who uses c these days? [21:15] what is stackexchange? [21:16] wow, seriously, i mean, if you enter you question in google something from stackexchange will almost certainly be among first 5 results [21:16] often first or second [21:16] *your question [21:17] i saw a related problem on stackoverflow but answer dosnt fit [21:17] http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2251452/how-to-return-a-value-from-thread-in-c [21:17] yeah, stackoverflow is part of stackexchange [21:17]