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| dpm | zbenjamin, morning. Quick question: Qt Creator does no longer start for me on 16.04 - when launching it from the terminal it shows me this input, but it just hangs forever there, not even the launcher icon is shown -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16060302 | 07:07 |
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| dpm | any ideas what it could be? | 07:07 |
| dpm | I've tried reinstalling 'ubuntu-sdk-ide', but no luck | 07:07 |
| zbenjamin | dpm: huh, thats weird. Even if some detection script would not return , none of it is blocking the main loop. So the QtC always should come up | 07:08 |
| zbenjamin | dpm: did you try to reset your settings? | 07:08 |
| dpm | zbenjamin, not yet, how do I do this? | 07:09 |
| zbenjamin | dpm: basically mv or rm ~/.config/QtProject/qtcreator | 07:09 |
| dpm | zbenjamin, that definitely made it happier. It could start, I ran the first run wizard and then it froze | 07:14 |
| dpm | let me try to start it again | 07:14 |
| zbenjamin | dpm: weird, do you maybe have any scripts / tools running forever? | 07:17 |
| dpm | zbenjamin, hm, now whenever I start it I can see the icon in the launcher, but it shows no UI. Let me start it from the terminal to see | 07:18 |
| dpm | zbenjamin, same messages as before: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16060383 | 07:19 |
| zbenjamin | dpm: can you maybe see any scripts that would run forever? | 07:20 |
| dpm | with the only difference that now a Qt Creator icon is shown in the launcher, but still hangs forever. Clicking on the icon does nothing. | 07:20 |
| dpm | zbenjamin, not sure what to look for in terms of running scripts | 07:21 |
| zbenjamin | dpm: hm my cli skills with that are not too good , i usually use "ps auxwff" to show the ps tree and check if the qtc started any subprocesses | 07:21 |
| zbenjamin | dpm: or you get the pid for qtc and run pstree <pid> | 07:22 |
| dpm | zbenjamin, sure: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16060399 | 07:23 |
| zbenjamin | dpm: ok, you have a lot of qtc instances running, maybe a "killall qtcreator" first until they are all gone | 07:24 |
| zbenjamin | dpm: then we try again | 07:24 |
| dpm | zbenjamin, that seemed to fix it, thanks! Let me test if everything is working... | 07:25 |
| zbenjamin | dpm: *crosses fingers* | 07:26 |
| zbenjamin | dpm: if you just moved your settings dir away, you can try to restore it and see if it works with your old settings | 07:26 |
| zbenjamin | dpm: then you will still have all your sessions and kits. Otherwise all project setup is gone | 07:27 |
| dpm | ah, good idea, yes, I just moved it | 07:27 |
| dpm | zbenjamin, I think I'll start anew. One think I noticed is that I don't have a "Desktop" kit, which previously was marked as "autodetected". Do I need to create one manually? | 07:29 |
| zbenjamin | dpm: hm normally it should be picked up automatically if you have a Qt and gcc installed locally | 07:30 |
| dpm | zbenjamin, http://i.imgur.com/cdwwBoe.png <- here is what I see | 07:30 |
| zbenjamin | dpm: that is the old or new settings dir? | 07:31 |
| zbenjamin | also why the kits are marked αΊƒith an error, if you hover over it , it should show you the error message | 07:31 |
| dpm | zbenjamin, that's with the old settings dir. I've decided not to restore the old and start afresh. Not sure why it's showing a warning sign on the phone/emulator kits | 07:31 |
| zbenjamin | dpm: yeah something was definately broken then | 07:32 |
| dpm | zbenjamin, "Error: Mkspec not found for Qt version" | 07:32 |
| dpm | on hovering on a kit marked as warning | 07:32 |
| zbenjamin | dpm: hmm, and it works with the clean settings? | 07:32 |
| dpm | zbenjamin, not sure what you mean. I've only tried it with clean settings, and it doesn't work | 07:33 |
| zbenjamin | dpm: sorry then i got you wrong, i thought you see those errors only with the old settings dir and thats why you started fresh | 07:34 |
| dpm | zbenjamin, perhaps with so many instances running some where writing to the config at the same time? I've now deleted the *new* settings and restarted Qt Creator. Is the wizard supposed to show me this? http://imgur.com/jjcNwn5 | 07:36 |
| zbenjamin | dpm: what does /home/dpm/.config/QtProject/qtcreator/ubuntu-sdk/ubuntu-sdk-15.04-armhf/qt5-qmake-arm-linux-gnueabihf -query tell you | 07:36 |
| zbenjamin | dpm: that looks good | 07:37 |
| dpm | zbenjamin, making progress: Desktop kit available now (but not autodetected, marked as 'Manual'), but still errors on the phone/emulator kits -> http://imgur.com/j5wJ1Bi | 07:39 |
| dpm | zbenjamin, here's the output of the command: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16060459/ | 07:40 |
| zbenjamin | dpm: hmm errr | 07:41 |
| zbenjamin | dpm: "click chroot -a armhf -f ubuntu-sdk-15.04 run qmake -query" | 07:41 |
| dpm | zbenjamin, same error as above | 07:42 |
| zbenjamin | dpm: ok , then something on the click level is broken ... | 07:42 |
| zbenjamin | dpm: did you upgrade / change anything on your system lately? | 07:42 |
| dpm | zbenjamin, I've been on Xenial on this computer for months, but I just upgraded to the sdk ppa (it had been disabled on the xenial upgrade) recently | 07:43 |
| dpm | zbenjamin, shall I just nuke the phone and emulator kits? | 07:44 |
| dpm | then rm the settings and start anew? | 07:44 |
| zbenjamin | dpm: that would be a possibility yes, but i'm afraid the bootstrapping won't work ... | 07:44 |
| dpm | oh, why? | 07:44 |
| zbenjamin | dpm: but then you can always use the static versions | 07:44 |
| zbenjamin | dpm: last time i checked one of the html packages broke it again. Maybe its fixed already since i did not hear any complaints | 07:44 |
| dpm | zbenjamin, I'm confused now. So what's "the right way" of having a phone kit? Static, non-static? Autogenerated on first Qt Creator start? | 07:45 |
| zbenjamin | dpm: the right way would be what the sdk does, bootstrapping it | 07:45 |
| zbenjamin | dpm: the static is just a workaround | 07:46 |
| dpm | and is there a way to force bootstrapping? | 07:46 |
| zbenjamin | dpm: no if the package dependencies are broken you can just use the static one | 07:46 |
| zbenjamin | dpm: we are working on a complete replacement for that mess | 07:46 |
| zbenjamin | dpm: we just started testing but it will still take some time until its ready for a beta that is useable enough | 07:46 |
| dpm | zbenjamin, ok. So what do you recommend I do with my current kits? Try to fix them or use the static versions? And in any case, what should I do as the next step? | 07:47 |
| zbenjamin | dpm: you need to nuke them definately. Then first try creating one on the way you always did. If that does not work i tell you how to install the static one | 07:48 |
| zbenjamin | dpm: if your kits get created you just use the SDK as usual | 07:49 |
| dpm | zbenjamin, ok, for starters, how can I remove them then? | 07:49 |
| dpm | zbenjamin, will the "Remove" button in the Options > Build & Run dialog take care of deleting everything? | 07:51 |
| zbenjamin | dpm: either in QtC using the options -> ubuntu page, or easier on CLI : click chroot -a armhf -f ubuntu-sdk-15.04 destroy and click chroot -a i386 -f ubuntu-sdk-15.04 destroy | 07:52 |
| zbenjamin | dpm: to create new ones on cli just replace destroy with create. Then your QtC is not blocked and you can at least use the desktop kit | 07:52 |
| dpm | ok, will try that, thanks! | 07:52 |
| zbenjamin | dpm: but restart it after destroying but before starting the creation of new ones | 07:52 |
| dpm | ok | 07:52 |
| zbenjamin | dpm: i wonder what broke it so badly. Never saw that before oO | 07:53 |
| dpm | zbenjamin, argh: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16060528 | 07:54 |
| dpm | not my day today | 07:54 |
| zbenjamin | dpm: noooo , how much i hate that error | 07:54 |
| zbenjamin | dpm: you could try to reboot | 07:55 |
| zbenjamin | dpm: there are more brutal measures but i'd prefer if your homedir is safely unmounted | 07:56 |
| dpm | ok | 07:56 |
| dpm | zbenjamin, ok, I could destroy the kits now. Also, something I've meant to ask for a while: why are there 2 entries in the Dash for the IDE? "Ubuntu SDK" and "Ubuntu SDK IDE", is this a known bug, and does it make a difference which one I choose? | 08:06 |
| dpm | zbenjamin, it seems they are different -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16060604 | 08:16 |
| zbenjamin | dpm: right you do not need the one from archive "apt-get remote qtcreator" | 08:16 |
| zbenjamin | s/remote/remove | 08:16 |
| dpm | aha | 08:16 |
| zbenjamin | dpm: apt refused to uninstall the other one automatically.. bzoltan_ knows more about that problem | 08:17 |
| dpm | zbenjamin, wait, but that extra .desktop file comes from qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu, not qtcreator | 08:17 |
| zbenjamin | dpm: right, it should be removed together with qtcreator | 08:18 |
| zbenjamin | dpm: you want "ubuntu-sdk-ide" which is the one from the ppa | 08:18 |
| dpm | zbenjamin, hm. Removing either 'qtcreator' or 'qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu' wants to remove 'ubuntu-sdk' | 08:19 |
| dpm | Also, the version of 'ubuntu-sdk' in the PPA is older than the one in the archive | 08:20 |
| dpm | I'm utterly confused now | 08:21 |
| zbenjamin | bzoltan_: ^^^^^ | 08:23 |
| zbenjamin | bzoltan_: we need to bump the ubuntu-sdk version in the ppa | 08:23 |
| zbenjamin | bzoltan_: and we should remove the qtcreator and plugins from the archive version. It constantly breaks | 08:24 |
| bzoltan_ | dpm: apt-cache policy ubuntu-sdk | 08:25 |
| zbenjamin | dpm: it does not harm if its installed. But you are right thats too confusing .... maybe we should remove the IDE from the ubuntu-sdk metapackage and let people install ubuntu-sdk and ubuntu-sdk-ide seperately | 08:25 |
| zbenjamin | or let ubuntu-sdk-ide pull ubuntu-sdk | 08:26 |
| zbenjamin | bbl, need to let the dog out | 08:26 |
| dpm | bzoltan_, well, that's actually what I ran to find out that the PPA version is older than the archive http://paste.ubuntu.com/16060651 | 08:27 |
| dpm | zbenjamin, it's not just the fact that they are confusing, they do execute two different instances of qt creator | 08:27 |
| zbenjamin | dpm: you are right thats really bad. | 08:28 |
| dpm | and presumably you only want to track one | 08:28 |
| bzoltan_ | dpm: somebody keeps pushing updates to the seeds without paying much attention to the effect :( | 08:28 |
| bzoltan_ | dpm: obviously the seeds need to be fixed | 08:28 |
| zbenjamin | bzoltan_: can we reverse the dependencies? Instead of ubuntu-sdk pulling the IDE, we do it the other way round and tell ppl to install ubuntu-sdk-ide | 08:28 |
| zbenjamin | bzoltan_: and remove the IDE from the ubuntu-sdk metapackage everywhere | 08:29 |
| zbenjamin | bzoltan_: that would solve it for good and we do not need to have our own metapackage in the ppa | 08:29 |
| dpm | zbenjamin, bzoltan_, where is the best place to report this as a bug to track it? | 08:29 |
| bzoltan_ | dpm: seed package | 08:29 |
| bzoltan_ | dpm: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.xenial/files | 08:30 |
| bzoltan_ | dpm: I can fix the PPA version like zillion times if people keep pusing this http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.xenial/view/head:/sdk | 08:30 |
| dpm | bzoltan_, I guess that'd be for the seeds themselves. But that won't fix the fact that qtcreator ships the .desktop file that's got the same icon but executes a different binary | 08:31 |
| bzoltan_ | dpm: we can change the icon and the desktop file of course | 08:32 |
| bzoltan_ | dpm: in Y | 08:32 |
| bzoltan_ | dpm: of SRU in X | 08:32 |
| bzoltan_ | of - or | 08:32 |
| dpm | bzoltan_, ok, if I report this against the seeds package, given that seeds version < PPA version... what should be the solution? I don't think the seeds version can be downgraded | 08:34 |
| dpm | is it not just a matter of a) updating the version in the PPA and b) improving communication? | 08:35 |
| bzoltan_ | dpm: seed version should not be downgraded... it simple should remove all the qtc* packages from its list | 08:35 |
| dpm | bzoltan_, zbenjamin, ok, filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/1575048 - could you guys please comment in the bug? I don't think it should be me driving this, as I'm far from an expert | 08:42 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1575048 in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Remove qtc* packages from the SDK seed" [Undecided,New] | 08:42 |
| dpm | bzoltan_, zbenjamin, for the more immediate issue of removing qtcreator, what steps would you recommend? | 08:42 |
| dpm | (as sudo apt remove qtcreator wants to remove ubuntu-sdk) | 08:43 |
| bzoltan_ | dpm: I have pushed a winning update to the PPA | 08:54 |
| dpm | awesome | 08:55 |
| dpm | bzoltan_, zbenjamin, ok, reported bug 1575062 for the icons issue | 09:04 |
| ubot5 | bug 1575062 in qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "Confusing desktop icon when installed in parallel with Ubuntu SDK IDE" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1575062 | 09:04 |
| dpm | bzoltan_, so last question, once apt sees the update in the PPA, what will be the steps necessary to remove qtcreator? 'sudo apt remove qtcreator', or 'sudo apt remove qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu', or something else? | 09:05 |
| bzoltan_ | dpm: removing the qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu should do the trick | 09:07 |
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| dpm | bzoltan_, ok, great, thanks! I'll try 'apt update' again in a bit and give it a go | 09:09 |
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| zbenjamin | dpm: apt-get remove qtcreator, except for some reason you want to keep the archive qtc | 09:11 |
| dpm | you guys are telling me different things to do :) | 09:11 |
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| timp | zbenjamin: I also have qtcreator from the archive installed | 09:24 |
| timp | is there a new tutorial on how to get the ppa qtc? | 09:25 |
| zbenjamin | timp: add the ppa and install ubuntu-sdk-ide. Then remove the other one "apt-get remove qtcreator qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu" | 09:26 |
| timp | I have the ppa | 09:26 |
| zbenjamin | timp: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/blog/2015/11/19/here-comes-brand-new-ubuntu-sdk-ide-tools/ | 09:26 |
| timp | I don't know why I have qtc from the archive | 09:26 |
| zbenjamin | timp: most likely because the ubuntu-sdk package was overruled by the archive one, which pulled the one from the archive | 09:27 |
| timp | could be | 09:28 |
| timp | zbenjamin: the blog post mentions 'apt distupgrade'. Is that 'apt full-upgrade' now? | 09:32 |
| timp | ah dist-upgrade still works too | 09:32 |
| zbenjamin | timp: could be that it was changed ... | 09:34 |
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| timp | kalikiana: so, on https://code.launchpad.net/~tpeeters/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/sections-keyboard/+merge/292587 I added a FIXME in a comment | 09:43 |
| timp | kalikiana: I think it is a separate issue, needs to be fixed in the APL but I don't know how much work that will be | 09:44 |
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| nik90 | nik90_mobile, ping | 13:17 |
| nik90_mobile | nik90, hello there | 13:17 |
| davmor2 | oh god nik90 has been at the cloning machine again | 13:17 |
| nik90_mobile | Loop woo chatter is awesome | 13:18 |
| nik90_mobile | Lol | 13:18 |
| oresama | . | 13:30 |
| nik90 | dpm, mhall119: Do you know where the snappy clinic today is being held? Is it on ubuntu-on-air? | 13:32 |
| dpm | nik90, we decided to move it to next week's UOS (sorry for the inconvenience :/) | 13:33 |
| nik90 | dpm, oh nvr mind, I was just about to make an announcement on the ubuntu-app-dev telegram channel..good think I asked ;) | 13:34 |
| dpm | there are a couple of snappy things that need fixing, and we figured out it'd make more sense to wait until UOS and we'd have more audience too | 13:34 |
| nik90 | hmm, makes sense | 13:35 |
| timp | mardy: hello | 15:20 |
| timp | I was just reading your latest comment on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1572525 | 15:20 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1572525 in ubuntu-ui-toolkit (Ubuntu) "[regression] Double header height is set as flickable topMargin" [High,In progress] | 15:20 |
| timp | I commented back | 15:20 |
| timp | perhaps we can discuss it together in a meeting with designers? | 15:21 |
| mardy | timp: I don't think that a meeting with the designers is necessary, and I can certainly live with the fixed header; it's more a matter of principle, but I don't intend to have a fight over it :-) | 15:55 |
| mardy | timp: let me just write the same as a comment on the bug | 15:56 |
| timp | mardy: okay, thanks | 15:56 |
| timp | mardy: probably for UITK2 the header is not going to change any properties of the flickable | 15:57 |
| mardy | timp: that's the best thing indeed | 15:57 |
| timp | mardy: so the app developer will have to do all that. The automatic behavior that we have now is a leftover from the previous header where you didn't have access to its height and you could not anchor to it from the app. | 15:57 |
| timp | but changing that now would require all apps to be changed | 15:57 |
| timp | mardy: I will close the bug then. Sorry, I know it is not completely satisfactory for you and if I had infinite time I would spend more of it on this bug. | 16:05 |
| timp | mardy: but when we start to work on the UITK2 APIs, we will announce it and ask people for input | 16:05 |
| mardy | timp: ok, no hard feelings :-) | 16:06 |
| kisb | hello | 16:33 |
| kisb | anyone there??? | 16:37 |
| kisb | we have questions | 16:37 |
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| Tim | Wohoo!! Sent via Chatter | 19:45 |
| Tim | Awesome! :) | 19:46 |
| subet | https://uappexplorer.com/app/chatter.robert-ancell | 19:46 |
| subet | ^ really nice | 19:47 |
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| m_jimmer | Does anyone know how can I use ListModel to append with a var ? example http://pastebin.com/gf3YpQR0 its the role name that is getting in the way. Seems like one can not use anything but strings ? | 22:13 |
| m_jimmer | it is line ten that is the issue | 22:14 |
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