[07:07] <dpm> zbenjamin, morning. Quick question: Qt Creator does no longer start for me on 16.04 - when launching it from the terminal it shows me this input, but it just hangs forever there, not even the launcher icon is shown -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16060302
[07:07] <dpm> any ideas what it could be?
[07:07] <dpm> I've tried reinstalling 'ubuntu-sdk-ide', but no luck
[07:08] <zbenjamin> dpm: huh, thats weird. Even if some detection script would not return , none of it is blocking the main loop. So the QtC always should come up
[07:08] <zbenjamin> dpm: did you try to reset your settings?
[07:09] <dpm> zbenjamin, not yet, how do I do this?
[07:09] <zbenjamin> dpm: basically mv or rm ~/.config/QtProject/qtcreator
[07:14] <dpm> zbenjamin, that definitely made it happier. It could start, I ran the first run wizard and then it froze
[07:14] <dpm> let me try to start it again
[07:17] <zbenjamin> dpm: weird, do you maybe have any scripts / tools running forever?
[07:18] <dpm> zbenjamin, hm, now whenever I start it I can see the icon in the launcher, but it shows no UI. Let me start it from the terminal to see
[07:19] <dpm> zbenjamin, same messages as before: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16060383
[07:20] <zbenjamin> dpm: can you maybe see any scripts that would run forever?
[07:20] <dpm> with the only difference that now a Qt Creator icon is shown in the launcher, but still hangs forever. Clicking on the icon does nothing.
[07:21] <dpm> zbenjamin, not sure what to look for in terms of running scripts
[07:21] <zbenjamin> dpm: hm my cli skills with that are not too good , i usually use "ps auxwff" to show the ps tree and check if the qtc started any subprocesses
[07:22] <zbenjamin> dpm: or you get the pid for qtc and run pstree <pid>
[07:23] <dpm> zbenjamin, sure: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16060399
[07:24] <zbenjamin> dpm: ok, you have a lot of qtc instances running, maybe a "killall qtcreator" first until they are all gone
[07:24] <zbenjamin> dpm: then we try again
[07:25] <dpm> zbenjamin, that seemed to fix it, thanks! Let me test if everything is working...
[07:26] <zbenjamin> dpm: *crosses fingers*
[07:26] <zbenjamin> dpm: if you just moved your settings dir away, you can try to restore it and see if it works with your old settings
[07:27] <zbenjamin> dpm: then you will still have all your sessions and kits. Otherwise all project setup is gone
[07:27] <dpm> ah, good idea, yes, I just moved it
[07:29] <dpm> zbenjamin, I think I'll start anew. One think I noticed is that I don't have a "Desktop" kit, which previously was marked as "autodetected". Do I need to create one manually?
[07:30] <zbenjamin> dpm: hm normally it should be picked up automatically if you have a Qt and gcc installed locally
[07:30] <dpm> zbenjamin, http://i.imgur.com/cdwwBoe.png <- here is what I see
[07:31] <zbenjamin> dpm:  that is the old or new settings dir?
[07:31] <zbenjamin> also why the kits are marked ẃith an error, if you hover over it , it should show you the error message
[07:31] <dpm> zbenjamin, that's with the old settings dir. I've decided not to restore the old and start afresh. Not sure why it's showing a warning sign on the phone/emulator kits
[07:32] <zbenjamin> dpm: yeah something was definately broken then
[07:32] <dpm> zbenjamin, "Error: Mkspec not found for Qt version"
[07:32] <dpm> on hovering on a kit marked as warning
[07:32] <zbenjamin> dpm: hmm, and it works with the clean settings?
[07:33] <dpm> zbenjamin, not sure what you mean. I've only tried it with clean settings, and it doesn't work
[07:34] <zbenjamin> dpm: sorry then i got you wrong, i thought you see those errors only with the old settings dir and thats why you started fresh
[07:36] <dpm> zbenjamin, perhaps with so many instances running some where writing to the config at the same time? I've now deleted the *new* settings and restarted Qt Creator. Is the wizard supposed to show me this? http://imgur.com/jjcNwn5
[07:36] <zbenjamin> dpm: what does /home/dpm/.config/QtProject/qtcreator/ubuntu-sdk/ubuntu-sdk-15.04-armhf/qt5-qmake-arm-linux-gnueabihf -query   tell you
[07:37] <zbenjamin> dpm: that looks good
[07:39] <dpm> zbenjamin, making progress: Desktop kit available now (but not autodetected, marked as 'Manual'), but still errors on the phone/emulator kits -> http://imgur.com/j5wJ1Bi
[07:40] <dpm> zbenjamin, here's the output of the command: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16060459/
[07:41] <zbenjamin> dpm: hmm errr
[07:41] <zbenjamin> dpm: "click chroot -a armhf -f ubuntu-sdk-15.04 run qmake -query"
[07:42] <dpm> zbenjamin, same error as above
[07:42] <zbenjamin> dpm: ok , then something on the click level is broken ...
[07:42] <zbenjamin> dpm: did you upgrade / change anything on your system lately?
[07:43] <dpm> zbenjamin, I've been on Xenial on this computer for months, but I just upgraded to the sdk ppa (it had been disabled on the xenial upgrade) recently
[07:44] <dpm> zbenjamin, shall I just nuke the phone and emulator kits?
[07:44] <dpm> then rm the settings and start anew?
[07:44] <zbenjamin> dpm: that would be a possibility yes, but i'm afraid the bootstrapping won't work ...
[07:44] <dpm> oh, why?
[07:44] <zbenjamin> dpm: but then you can always use the static versions
[07:44] <zbenjamin> dpm: last time i checked one of the html packages broke it again. Maybe its fixed already since i did not hear any complaints
[07:45] <dpm> zbenjamin, I'm confused now. So what's "the right way" of having a phone kit? Static, non-static? Autogenerated on first Qt Creator start?
[07:45] <zbenjamin> dpm: the right way would be what the sdk does, bootstrapping it
[07:46] <zbenjamin> dpm: the static is just a workaround
[07:46] <dpm> and is there a way to force bootstrapping?
[07:46] <zbenjamin> dpm: no if the package dependencies are broken you can just use the static one
[07:46] <zbenjamin> dpm: we are working on a complete replacement for that mess
[07:46] <zbenjamin> dpm: we just started testing but it will still take some time until its ready for a beta that is useable enough
[07:47] <dpm> zbenjamin, ok. So what do you recommend I do with my current kits? Try to fix them or use the static versions? And in any case, what should I do as the next step?
[07:48] <zbenjamin> dpm: you need to nuke them definately. Then first try creating one on the way you always did. If that does not work i tell you how to install the static one
[07:49] <zbenjamin> dpm: if your kits get created you just use the SDK as usual
[07:49] <dpm> zbenjamin, ok, for starters, how can I remove them then?
[07:51] <dpm> zbenjamin, will the "Remove" button in the Options > Build & Run dialog take care of deleting everything?
[07:52] <zbenjamin> dpm: either in QtC using the options -> ubuntu  page, or easier on CLI :   click chroot -a armhf -f ubuntu-sdk-15.04 destroy   and  click chroot -a i386 -f ubuntu-sdk-15.04 destroy
[07:52] <zbenjamin> dpm: to create new ones on cli just replace destroy with create. Then your QtC is not blocked and you can at least use the desktop kit
[07:52] <dpm> ok, will try that, thanks!
[07:52] <zbenjamin> dpm: but restart it after destroying but before starting the creation of new ones
[07:52] <dpm> ok
[07:53] <zbenjamin> dpm: i wonder what broke it so badly. Never saw that before oO
[07:54] <dpm> zbenjamin, argh: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16060528
[07:54] <dpm> not my day today
[07:54] <zbenjamin> dpm: noooo , how much i hate that error
[07:55] <zbenjamin> dpm: you could try to reboot
[07:56] <zbenjamin> dpm: there are more brutal measures but i'd prefer if your homedir is safely unmounted
[07:56] <dpm> ok
[08:06] <dpm> zbenjamin, ok, I could destroy the kits now. Also, something I've meant to ask for a while: why are there 2 entries in the Dash for the IDE? "Ubuntu SDK" and "Ubuntu SDK IDE", is this a known bug, and does it make a difference which one I choose?
[08:16] <dpm> zbenjamin, it seems they are different -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16060604
[08:16] <zbenjamin> dpm: right you do not need the one from archive "apt-get remote qtcreator"
[08:16] <zbenjamin> s/remote/remove
[08:16] <dpm> aha
[08:17] <zbenjamin> dpm: apt refused to uninstall the other one automatically.. bzoltan_ knows more about that problem
[08:17] <dpm> zbenjamin, wait, but that extra .desktop file comes from qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu, not qtcreator
[08:18] <zbenjamin> dpm: right, it should be removed together with qtcreator
[08:18] <zbenjamin> dpm: you want "ubuntu-sdk-ide" which is the one from the ppa
[08:19] <dpm> zbenjamin, hm. Removing either 'qtcreator' or 'qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu' wants to remove 'ubuntu-sdk'
[08:20] <dpm> Also, the version of 'ubuntu-sdk' in the PPA is older than the one in the archive
[08:21] <dpm> I'm utterly confused now
[08:23] <zbenjamin> bzoltan_: ^^^^^
[08:23] <zbenjamin> bzoltan_: we need to bump the ubuntu-sdk version in the ppa
[08:24] <zbenjamin> bzoltan_: and we should remove the qtcreator and plugins from the archive version. It constantly breaks
[08:25] <bzoltan_> dpm: apt-cache policy ubuntu-sdk
[08:25] <zbenjamin> dpm: it does not harm if its installed. But you are right thats too confusing .... maybe we should remove the IDE from the ubuntu-sdk metapackage and let people install ubuntu-sdk and ubuntu-sdk-ide seperately
[08:26] <zbenjamin> or let ubuntu-sdk-ide pull ubuntu-sdk
[08:26] <zbenjamin> bbl, need to let the dog out
[08:27] <dpm> bzoltan_, well, that's actually what I ran to find out that the PPA version is older than the archive http://paste.ubuntu.com/16060651
[08:27] <dpm> zbenjamin, it's not just the fact that they are confusing, they do execute two different instances of qt creator
[08:28] <zbenjamin> dpm: you are right thats really bad.
[08:28] <dpm> and presumably you only want to track one
[08:28] <bzoltan_> dpm: somebody keeps pushing updates to the seeds without paying much attention to the effect :(
[08:28] <bzoltan_> dpm: obviously the seeds need to be fixed
[08:28] <zbenjamin> bzoltan_: can we reverse the dependencies?   Instead of ubuntu-sdk pulling the IDE, we do it the other way round and tell ppl to install ubuntu-sdk-ide
[08:29] <zbenjamin> bzoltan_: and remove the IDE from the ubuntu-sdk metapackage everywhere
[08:29] <zbenjamin> bzoltan_: that would solve it for good and we do not need to have our own metapackage in the ppa
[08:29] <dpm> zbenjamin, bzoltan_, where is the best place to report this as a bug to track it?
[08:29] <bzoltan_> dpm: seed package
[08:30] <bzoltan_> dpm: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.xenial/files
[08:30] <bzoltan_> dpm: I can fix the PPA version like zillion times if people keep pusing this http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.xenial/view/head:/sdk
[08:31] <dpm> bzoltan_, I guess that'd be for the seeds themselves. But that won't fix the fact that qtcreator ships the .desktop file that's got the same icon but executes a different binary
[08:32] <bzoltan_> dpm: we can change the icon and the desktop file of course
[08:32] <bzoltan_> dpm:  in Y
[08:32] <bzoltan_> dpm:  of SRU in X
[08:32] <bzoltan_> of - or
[08:34] <dpm> bzoltan_, ok, if I report this against the seeds package, given that seeds version < PPA version... what should be the solution? I don't think the seeds version can be downgraded
[08:35] <dpm> is it not just a matter of a) updating the version in the PPA and b) improving communication?
[08:35] <bzoltan_> dpm:  seed version should not be downgraded... it simple should remove all the qtc* packages from its list
[08:42] <dpm> bzoltan_, zbenjamin, ok, filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/1575048 - could you guys please comment in the bug? I don't think it should be me driving this, as I'm far from an expert
[08:42] <dpm> bzoltan_, zbenjamin, for the more immediate issue of removing qtcreator, what steps would you recommend?
[08:43] <dpm> (as sudo apt remove qtcreator wants to remove ubuntu-sdk)
[08:54] <bzoltan_> dpm:  I have pushed a winning update to the PPA
[08:55] <dpm> awesome
[09:04] <dpm> bzoltan_, zbenjamin, ok, reported bug 1575062 for the icons issue
[09:05] <dpm> bzoltan_, so last question, once apt sees the update in the PPA, what will be the steps necessary to remove qtcreator? 'sudo apt remove qtcreator', or 'sudo apt remove qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu', or something else?
[09:07] <bzoltan_> dpm:  removing the qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu should do the trick
[09:09] <dpm> bzoltan_, ok, great, thanks! I'll try 'apt update' again in a bit and give it a go
[09:11] <zbenjamin> dpm: apt-get remove qtcreator, except for some reason you want to keep the archive qtc
[09:11] <dpm> you guys are telling me different things to do :)
[09:24] <timp> zbenjamin: I also have qtcreator from the archive installed
[09:25] <timp> is there a new tutorial on how to get the ppa qtc?
[09:26] <zbenjamin> timp: add the ppa and install ubuntu-sdk-ide.  Then remove the other one "apt-get remove qtcreator qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu"
[09:26] <timp> I have the ppa
[09:26] <zbenjamin> timp: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/blog/2015/11/19/here-comes-brand-new-ubuntu-sdk-ide-tools/
[09:26] <timp> I don't know why I have qtc from the archive
[09:27] <zbenjamin> timp: most likely because the ubuntu-sdk package was overruled by the archive one, which pulled the one from the archive
[09:28] <timp> could be
[09:32] <timp> zbenjamin: the blog post mentions 'apt distupgrade'. Is that 'apt full-upgrade' now?
[09:32] <timp> ah dist-upgrade still works too
[09:34] <zbenjamin> timp: could be that it was changed ...
[09:43] <timp> kalikiana: so, on https://code.launchpad.net/~tpeeters/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/sections-keyboard/+merge/292587 I added a FIXME in a comment
[09:44] <timp> kalikiana: I think it is a separate issue, needs to be fixed in the APL but I don't know how much work that will be
[13:17] <nik90> nik90_mobile, ping
[13:17] <nik90_mobile> nik90, hello there
[13:17] <davmor2> oh god nik90 has been at the cloning machine again
[13:18] <nik90_mobile> Loop woo chatter is awesome
[13:18] <nik90_mobile> Lol
[13:30] <oresama> .
[13:32] <nik90> dpm, mhall119: Do you know where the snappy clinic today is being held? Is it on ubuntu-on-air?
[13:33] <dpm> nik90, we decided to move it to next week's UOS (sorry for the inconvenience :/)
[13:34] <nik90> dpm, oh nvr mind, I was just about to make an announcement on the ubuntu-app-dev telegram channel..good think I asked ;)
[13:34] <dpm> there are a couple of snappy things that need fixing, and we figured out it'd make more sense to wait until UOS and we'd have more audience too
[13:35] <nik90> hmm, makes sense
[15:20] <timp> mardy: hello
[15:20] <timp> I was just reading your latest comment on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1572525
[15:20] <timp> I commented back
[15:21] <timp> perhaps we can discuss it together in a meeting with designers?
[15:55] <mardy> timp: I don't think that a meeting with the designers is necessary, and I can certainly live with the fixed header; it's more a matter of principle, but I don't intend to have a fight over it :-)
[15:56] <mardy> timp: let me just write the same as a comment on the bug
[15:56] <timp> mardy: okay, thanks
[15:57] <timp> mardy: probably for UITK2 the header is not going to change any properties of the flickable
[15:57] <mardy> timp: that's the best thing indeed
[15:57] <timp> mardy: so the app developer will have to do all that. The automatic behavior that we have now is a leftover from the previous header where you didn't have access to its height and you could not anchor to it from the app.
[15:57] <timp> but changing that now would require all apps to be changed
[16:05] <timp> mardy: I will close the bug then. Sorry, I know it is not completely satisfactory for you and if I had infinite time I would spend more of it on this bug.
[16:05] <timp> mardy: but when we start to work on the UITK2 APIs, we will announce it and ask people for input
[16:06] <mardy> timp: ok, no hard feelings :-)
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