[00:23] <Tabguy> Hello
[00:24] <Tabguy> how do i fnd ubutu sftware center on the new tablet?
[00:29] <Tabguy> Eh
[01:52] <dobey> Tabguy: the app store is the last entry in the apps scope. if you go to the apps scope and scroll to the bottom, you'll see the ubuntu store icon
[06:24] <Tabguy> Dobey: I can`t see the software center in the scope menu.
[06:24] <Tabguy> how do i ad it
[06:24] <Tabguy> add
[07:11] <linux_unix-10> hello
[07:27] <linux_unix-10> Can we make porting requests here?
[07:30] <k1l_> linux_unix-10: well. then you still need someone to do the porting :/
[07:30] <k1l_> linux_unix-10: take a look at https://ubports.com/
[07:31] <linux_unix-10> k1l_: Well, I was thinking that this place would have devs to ask about stuff with.
[07:32] <svij> For those who are interested: Meizu Pro 5 is now available, only in gold: http://en.jd.com/1104324.html
[07:32] <k1l_> linux_unix-10: yes. but your questions sounds like "make me a port".
[07:33] <linux_unix-10> k1l_: Sorry if I sounded too curt with my statement.
[07:34] <linux_unix-10> k1l_: I could try and help with testing, if that's fine.
[07:34] <k1l_> linux_unix-10: if you want to start a port see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting . but keep in mind that this is not a beginners task. if you have questions other users in here who already did some ports could answer
[07:36] <linux_unix-10> k1l_: "if you have questions other users in here who already did some ports could answer" <-- That's exactly why I'm here! :D
[08:15] <popey> Do we have a bug tracking the fact that the app scope is empty on rc-proposed quite often http://imgur.com/qhs3sH2
[08:15] <popey> ?
[08:20] <lotuspsychje> popey: i encounter the same on bq 4.5, app scope remains empty for just a little while, until apps showup
[08:22] <lotuspsychje> i also noticed searching the app store on keyword 'scopes', pressing see more scopes, results in empty also..
[08:22] <popey> ah, if i search for stuff, i find stuff appears, but more often than not it is all blank
[08:40] <davmor2> popey: blame jamestait it's normally his fault when it comes to the store ;)
[08:41] <popey> not the store
[08:41] <popey> click scope
[08:48] <davmor2> popey: I noticed that music and videos have been blanking on me recently if I disable all the views and then re-enable them all again it seems to be fine so it wouldn't surprise me if there were issues with the online stuff
[08:51] <popey> it happens more if your network is ropey (like here at a sprint)
[08:52] <embrik_> HI, is it possible to install csnapchat on ubuntu phone?
[08:52] <embrik_> sorry, snapchat
[08:53] <popey> No
[08:53] <embrik_> OK, thanks, what about netflix -app?
[08:55] <popey> for the phone, no
[10:23] <brunch> Good morning! I recently bought a blueetooth keyboard and I have two questions. Is there anywhere I could find a list of keyboard settings? I'm on proposed.
[10:23] <brunch> I mean keyboard shortcuts, not settings
[10:24] <brunch> Aaaaand... tildes / dead keys / Alt-gr doesn-t seem to work with any layout. Is it work in progress?
[10:25] <ogra_> there is a bug open for the altgr issue
[10:25] <ogra_> bug 1565236
[10:25] <brunch> nice thanks
[10:27] <ogra_> i dont think any shortcuts list exists yet
[10:27] <saavento> was just reading about the meizu por 5 and loads ubuntu touch OTA 9
[10:28] <saavento> is that ok
[10:28] <saavento> or is just a custom distro for the phone
[10:30] <brunch> I'm very impressed that there are a lot of working keyboard shortcuts similar to desktop. Such as alt-tab, super-1/2/3 or ctrl-l on web browser. Alt-F4 doesn't work so I thought maybe there was a different one to close apps :p
[10:31] <brunch> utouch is looking in a pretty good shape
[10:31]  * brunch sprays confetti at the devs
[10:32]  * ogra_ grins
[11:21] <cc> something about ubuntu phone
[11:22] <cc> ihttp://en.jd.com/1104324.html
[11:22] <cc> http://en.jd.com/1104324.html
[11:22] <cc> now we can buy meizu pro 5 ubuntu
[11:22] <cc> but i found that i cant buy it in china!!!!!
[11:22] <cc> wtf
[11:29] <saavento> hi
[11:31] <saavento> i cannot type ' @ '  in browser but in chat i can
[11:32] <saavento> also layout in legacy apps is not the same on snappy apps
[11:32] <saavento> where can i open a bug
[11:33] <ogra_> bug 1565236
[11:33] <ogra_> just click the "affects me too" button at the top
[11:33] <saavento> oks
[11:33] <saavento> so is open already
[11:34] <ogra_> yeah, will be fixed in OTA11
[11:34] <ogra_> (i guess :) )
[11:34] <saavento> is ok
[11:34] <saavento> while is noticed is good
[11:55] <saavento> agree
[12:11] <popey> hello popeybqe45
[12:11] <popeybqe45> Hi
[12:11] <popey> ahoneybun: ^ chatter is in the store now :)
[12:20] <john-mcaleely1> popeybqe45 nice!
[12:21] <john-mcaleely1> popey looks like I just missed your doppelganger
[12:24] <john-mcaleely1> Jibel_arale hello
[12:24] <ogra_> grmbl ... is the jd store a fake for the mx5pro ?
[12:24] <john-mcaleely1> keep missing people ;-)
[12:25] <ogra_> doesnt seem like you can place an order
[12:27] <ogra_> ograMX4 boo
[12:29] <john-mcaleely1> ograMX4 boo
[12:29] <ogra_> lol, you missed him :)
[12:29] <john-mcaleely1> just my luck
[12:30] <ograMX4> john-mcaleely1, boo
[12:30] <john-mcaleely1> hello. Doesn't look like there are notifications yet...
[12:30] <ogra_> yeah
[12:31] <john-mcaleely1> Nice tho!
[12:31] <ogra_> not even bold text ... but its a start
[12:31] <ogra_> now i need to finish my ircproxy snap to provide push notifications that hook into that client ;)
[12:32] <john-mcaleely1> now that would be nice!
[12:32] <ogra_> thats the plan ... but the snappy config interface was dropped ... i have to wait til it comes back before moving on
[12:33]  * ogra_ sighs 
[12:33] <ogra_> "Sorry, the system is busy now, please try again later." ....
[12:33] <ogra_> trying to order a pro5 ... no go ...
[12:41] <popey> o/
[12:54] <Ffcccccfcccccc> Whee! Irc ftw
[12:54] <lotuspsychje> lol
[13:05] <Dubstar_04> Hello from chatter!!!
[13:06] <popey> \o/
[13:06] <popey> hello Dubstar_04
[13:06] <popey> robert_ancell: ^ another happy user
[13:07] <robert_ancell> yay
[13:08] <Dubstar_04> robert_ancell: My favorite person today!!!
[13:09] <Dubstar_04> Robert thankyou for releasing chatter!!
[13:19] <LarreaM> Testing chatter   in a nexus 4! Nice job Robert !
[13:25] <mr_rcollins> Ok, what'
[13:25] <mr_rcollins> Ok, what's chatter?
[13:25]  * ogra_ still uses kiwiirc ... but chatter is on a good way :)
[13:26] <LarreaM> A new app  for irc  on Ubuntu touch
[13:26] <mr_rcollins> Works with ZNC I assume?
[13:26]  * lotuspsychje uses also kiwi
[13:27] <lotuspsychje> with dark theme
[13:27] <mr_rcollins> I've been using Glowing Bear to connect to weechat.
[13:27] <ogra_> same here ... and excluded from lifecycle mgmt
[13:27]  * dobey puts on Shattered
[13:28] <ogra_> (on the tablet that is ... on te phone i dont tinker with the lifecycle)
[13:28] <mr_rcollins> What's lifecycle?
[13:28]  * mr_rcollins has a lot of new terms to learn...
[13:30] <dobey> mr_rcollins: the confinement policy on the phone/tablet includes preventing applications that are not in the foreground, from processing. when you switch to a different app, the one in the foreground is the only one that can do anything (save of course, for system services that may be running)
[13:32] <Mr_rcollins_> Hmmmm
[13:33] <Mr_rcollins_> There it goes. Can I connect to zinc with chatter?
[13:59] <shadeslayer> ondra: _morphis poke, where can I get the android sources for vegetahd?
[14:00] <folf> It Works! Using chatter on my mx4 :-)
[14:00] <_morphis> shadeslayer: those are private, if you're not part of Canonical, you can't
[14:00] <shadeslayer> oh :<
[14:00] <shadeslayer> _morphis: no chance of those being open sourced?
[14:00] <_morphis> no chance
[14:01] <_morphis> its not under our control as we don't own them
[14:01] <shadeslayer> bshah: ^^ :(
[14:01] <ogra_> _morphis, i thought we have the open bits on github under john-mcaleely's account ?
[14:02] <ogra_> (at least for all the other phones)
[14:02] <_morphis> ogra_: the kernel bits, yes
[14:02] <shadeslayer> _morphis: and there isn't a open source device tree of any sorts out there?
[14:02] <ogra_> shadeslayer, for the nexus devices there is
[14:02] <_morphis> ogra_, shadeslayer: https://github.com/bq/aquaris-E4.5/tree/aquaris-E4.5-ubuntu-master
[14:02] <_morphis> that are the kernel sources
[14:02] <ogra_> yeah
[14:02] <_morphis> the only part being available to the public
[14:03] <_morphis> shadeslayer: but everything else you need to create the device tarball isn't
[14:03] <ogra_> well, the part that counts if you want to add a module :)
[14:03] <_morphis> ogra_: sure
[14:03] <shadeslayer> _morphis: yeah, I need the AOSP bits :P
[14:03] <shadeslayer> I already saw the kernel bits
[14:03] <_morphis> shadeslayer: what do you want to do?
[14:04] <AuroraAvenue_> Where is the bug to get ubuntu touch working on Lollipop Android ?
[14:04] <ogra_> AuroraAvenue_, it works on 5.x for a few devices
[14:04] <shadeslayer> _morphis: bshah and I need to read the build.prop
[14:04] <shadeslayer> _morphis: and perhaps add/remove some config options
[14:04] <_morphis> shadeslayer: for what?
[14:05] <AuroraAvenue_> ogra_: OK, where is the bug to get Ubuntu Touch working on the Nexus 4 with Lolipop Android ?
[14:05] <ogra_> AuroraAvenue_, i doubt there is one ... (and i doubt there are plans to move that to 5.x)
[14:06] <AuroraAvenue_> Why not ? If you buy a nexus 4 today - It comes with lolipop .
[14:06] <_morphis> AuroraAvenue_: we will not move even if there is a tree with Android 5 support
[14:06] <ogra_> because it is nearly as much work as doing a completely new port and the resources are very limited
[14:07] <_morphis> AuroraAvenue_: and there is just little value for us
[14:07] <AuroraAvenue_> Well that is why I want to fund it - at the moment the system just doesn't work, for me or anyone buying a Nexus 4 , today.
[14:07] <ogra_> yeah, the only benefit would be that people can install without going to 4.x first
[14:08] <ogra_> not really worth the hard effort it would take to make everything work with 5.x
[14:08] <ogra_> (when 4.x just works fine)
[14:08] <AuroraAvenue_> Well I cannot instakll ubuntu touch on my Nexus 4 - which makes me angry.
[14:09] <ogra_> just roll back to 4.x first
[14:09] <AuroraAvenue_> It's supposed just to work.
[14:09] <ogra_> thnen installing is easy
[14:09] <ogra_> no, it isnt
[14:09] <ogra_> never was
[14:09] <AuroraAvenue_> I dont know how to do that on android.
[14:09] <ogra_> flashing in general is something for advanced users
[14:10] <ogra_> if you cant get along with flashing (or reading up about how to do it and follow some guide) then better buy a preinstalled device
[14:10] <AuroraAvenue_> I'm not buying another one !
[14:10] <AuroraAvenue_> It cost me 100 euros.
[14:11] <ogra_> well, then look for a guide and follow it
[14:12] <AuroraAvenue_> Does Odin work on Ubuntu ?
[14:12] <ogra_> i guess it does ...
[14:12] <b0s3d> Hello
[14:12] <AuroraAvenue_> o/
[14:12] <ogra_> do you also want to flash some samsung device ?
[14:13] <ogra_> (odin is a samsung tool)
[14:13] <AuroraAvenue_> oh Ok.
[14:13] <AuroraAvenue_> I think I'm just going to have to pay someone £50 to put ubuntu touch on my nexus 4.
[14:13] <b0s3d> i have a problem due to the new tablet. there are no "username" in the vpn settings, can one install the original ubuntu touch on the bq device in order to change these bugs?
[14:15] <b0s3d> i know it just came out, and many are working on the bugs, but i can't wait
[14:17] <de-facto> i guess it should be possible with android-tools-adb android-tools-fastboot
[14:17] <LarreaMikel> AuroraAvenue_: have you read this? http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-4/general/how-to-how-to-flash-factory-image-t2010312
[14:18] <LarreaMikel> AuroraAvenue_: flash a 4.x factory image, and then follow the ubuntu installation guide.
[14:18] <AuroraAvenue_> LarreaMikel: Yeah I think I'll just pay someone ..
[14:19] <ogra_> Mirv, so did you click that final button yet ? (/me would really like to know if anyone actually managed to order at all, seems everyone just gets the same error)
[14:19] <de-facto> btw why is 4.x needed? ubuntu just supports old radio blob?
[14:19] <LarreaMikel> AuroraAvenue_: as you wish (it is not that hard)
[14:19] <ogra_> de-facto, that and the old recovery/adb
[14:19] <de-facto> oh ok
[14:19] <AuroraAvenue_> thank-you thou.
[14:20] <AuroraAvenue_> ~Just think I'll brick it.
[14:20] <LarreaMikel> AuroraAvenue_: it is a possibility... but never happend to me
[14:22] <de-facto> AuroraAvenue_ https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images#instructions
[14:23] <LarreaMikel> de-facto: much better than the one I've post
[14:26] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/04/meizu-pro-5-ubuntu-edition-buy
[14:26] <lotuspsychje> something for topic sil2100 ^ ?
[14:29] <de-facto> oh nice that one should have a blazing fast cpu
[14:29] <lotuspsychje> de-facto: looking neat isnt it
[14:29] <mivoligo_> Hello from Chatter on my M10 :)
[14:29] <de-facto> lotuspsychje yeah indeed :)
[14:30] <de-facto> dang hahaha
[14:32] <LarreaMikel> But we can't buy it... the systems have been busy since the beginning
[14:32] <AuroraAvenue_> Also here - https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/04/26/the-most-powerful-ubuntu-phone-is-available-to-buy/
[14:38] <ogra_> LarreaMikel, yeah :(
[14:39] <de-facto> do they provide a black version somewhere?
[14:40] <sil2100> Damn, where will we fit that in the topic now?
[14:41] <lotuspsychje> sil2100: only the buy link inside?
[14:41] <AuroraAvenue_> sil2100: Is that ack ?
[14:42] <LarreaMikel> ogra_: It is being more complicated than the game for the meizu mx4!
[14:46] <ogra_> LarreaMikel: except that yuo could at least buy the MX4 at some point
[14:47] <ogra_> doesnt look like anyone managed to buy the 5pro yet
[14:47] <ogra_> john-mcaleely: do you know if anyone is talking to meizu about that ? i see people complaining all over the internet
[14:47] <LarreaMikel> ogra_: yeap... we will need patience...
[14:48] <john-mcaleely> ogra_, I do not know
[14:48] <john-mcaleely> they do follow the internet though, so I imagine they are on it
[14:49] <ogra_> heh
[14:50] <ogra_> probably the jd store can simply not handle the millions and millions of people that are eager to get a golden ubuntu phone :)
[14:59] <shadeslayer> _morphis: We wanted to try and get Plasma 5 running on it
[15:00] <shadeslayer> _morphis: and we have some additional config modifications that are needed
[15:02] <_morphis> shadeslayer: what kind of config modifications?
[15:02] <ogra_> shadeslayer: if they are non-intrusive, just file a whishlist bug ;)
[15:02] <ogra_> so they get into teh defaults
[15:02] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[15:02] <shadeslayer> perhaps
[15:02] <ogra_> (really depends if they are non intrusive i guess)
[15:40] <awesomebing1> Is ondra online right now?
[16:24] <sergiusens> chrisccoulson hey mind joining #snappy?
[16:41] <jlkon13> Hello, I am currently trying to get the ubuntu boot image working. The problem is that I need to insert a proprietary kernel module before any other partitions could be mounted. In the generic ubuntu image is a folder called "/conf/modules"; do I simply have to copy the module to this directory and create a script with "insmod module.ko" or is it more complex … ? Thank you
[16:42] <ondra> awesomebing1 hey
[16:42] <ondra> shadeslayer did you get your android sources?
[16:45] <ogra_> jlkon13: cant you just build that module into your kernel ?
[16:45] <ogra_> then you dont need any hacks
[16:47] <jlkon13> @ogra: no, the problem is Rockchip does not provide sources for this module …
[16:47] <ogra_> ouch
[16:49] <ogra_> well, if you actually hack the initrd and use insmod it doesnt amtter where you put the .ko since insmod needs the full path anyway
[16:49] <ogra_> *matter
[16:50] <jlkon13> @ogra: I found out that /conf/modules is not a directory but a file (not existing by default); I think modules go in the /lib/modules directory (I can use PRODUCT_COPY_FILES)
[16:51] <ogra_> well, we dont really support modules in initrd in touch ... so whatever you do is a hack anyway ... and then its totally up to you where you put the file ... insmod will need the full path to it in any case
[16:51] <jlkon13> @ogra: the question is if there is any build variable I can set to autocreate the /conf/modules file with the name of the module in it …
[16:51] <ogra_> no
[16:51] <ogra_> the assumption is that your kernel contains everything by default
[16:51] <ogra_> (which it does for all existing ubuntu phones)
[16:52] <ogra_> i know ondra once was on a quest to allow scripts and stuff to be injected ... not sure if he is still after that and has any example code :)
[16:52] <jlkon13> but the init script inside the generic bootimage calls a function that loads custom modules
[16:52] <ogra_> which isnt used, since we normally dont allow re-packing of the initrd
[16:53] <Mirv> ogra_: no, I decided to wait a bit for eg color/configuration info since it's not a matter of day or two. but it seems everyone has had the error :(
[16:53] <ogra_> and dont ship any device specific bits in our initrd
[16:53] <ogra_> Mirv: yeah, still here (i tried 20min ago the last time)
[16:53] <ogra_> i hope the right people are informed and on the case
[16:54] <jlkon13> @ogra: ok, what do you propose to solve the problem?
[16:54] <ogra_> (i think popey took it into his hands so it will be fine i guess :) )
[16:54] <ondra> ogra_ into initrd?
[16:54] <Mirv> ogra_: popey will simply log in to the shop server and hack the code until it works and then inform the shop owner that he fixed it!
[16:55] <ogra_> jlkon13: well, re-pack it, drop the ko file somewhere and add your script snippet that insmods it ... i doubt there is any other way in this case
[16:55] <ogra_> ondra: yeah
[16:55] <ondra> ogra_ there is dev mode to overlay initrd for in phablet tree
[16:55] <ogra_> Mirv: yeah, as usual
[16:55] <ondra> ogra_ you need to build with defined switch
[16:55] <ogra_> jlkon13: ondra is your man
[16:55] <jlkon13> thank you :)
[16:56] <jlkon13> @ondra: do you know the name of this switch?
[17:01] <ondra> jlkon13 BOARD_OVERLAY_INITRD=true and it will overlay content of out/target/product/<>/ubuntu/ramdisk
[17:01] <ondra> jlkon13 only works in phablet-5.1 and up
[17:02] <jlkon13> @ondra: thank you but I thought the directory is <>/ubuntu-root ?
[17:03] <d0od_> M.
[17:03] <ogra_> N.
[17:03] <ondra> jlkon13 in phablet 5 all ubuntu related parts are under <>/ubuntu/
[17:04] <ondra> jlkon13 there you will see initradisk content unpacked for reference, which will be used without change if you do make bootimage-nodeps
[17:04] <jlkon13> @ondra: ok, then I probably need to update my tree :)
[17:07] <ondra> jlkon13 so you can alternatively for testing just edit that and just repack boot image with $ make bootimage-nodeps
[17:07] <ondra> jlkon13 this is all only in android 5 based tree, and never ones
[17:07] <jlkon13> @ondra: thank you very much
[17:08] <ondra> jlkon13 no prob
[17:15] <Mirv> chrisccoulson: oSoMoN: can you please test the fix for bug #1488364 and report back on the bug report?
[17:15] <Mirv> I'm running other general testing, but the Oxide side would be good to get from you
[17:16] <chrisccoulson> Mirv, will do
[17:17] <Mirv> thanks
[18:26] <SylvieLorxu> Is there any way to get the QML Ubuntu.Components outside of an Ubuntu system? I'd like to write an app but I don't actually want to run Ubuntu (still GNU/Linux though)
[18:26] <SylvieLorxu> (I think I asked this before but not sure if I did so here)
[18:43] <dobey> SylvieLorxu: sure. it's open source
[18:44] <SylvieLorxu> dobey: Well, okay, sure, that's the technical sure. How's it in practice? Are there any instructions at all? All I see is ppas
[18:44] <dobey> SylvieLorxu: get the source and compile it, i guess. what OS are you on?
[18:45] <SylvieLorxu> dobey: I have both Gentoo and Debian Testing available
[18:47] <dobey> SylvieLorxu: with debian you might be able to just grab the source packages and rebuild, assuming deps are satisfied
[18:48] <SylvieLorxu> dobey: I guess that's probably easiest then. Which source package do I need? I couldn't find anything on a quick search of packages.ubuntu.com
[18:50] <dobey> SylvieLorxu: ubuntu-ui-toolkit i guess
[18:51] <dobey> SylvieLorxu: you could also just make an lxc container of ubuntu instead, and develop inside it
[18:51] <dobey> probably would be easier
[18:52] <SylvieLorxu> dobey: Thanks, but I don't do easy if it means proprietary stuff, even in a container :P
[18:52] <SylvieLorxu> Still, I could play around with this
[18:52] <SylvieLorxu> Although I'd almost hope I could dev on the Ubuntu Touch tablet I have, heh
[18:52] <SylvieLorxu> That would be the most convenient ever
[18:54] <dobey> SylvieLorxu: i have no idea what you mean by proprietary stuff
[18:54] <dobey> nothing propreitary is required to build apps for ubuntu
[18:54] <SylvieLorxu> dobey: Non-deblobbed kernel for starters. Don't know what else a default Ubuntu install contains tbh
[18:55] <sebsebseb>  
[18:55] <SylvieLorxu> Maybe running it on Trisquel would be easy when they finally get a 16.04-based release too
[18:55] <dobey> well after ota11 i think running the sdk on the tablet should be easier
[18:55] <SylvieLorxu> I see
[18:55] <SylvieLorxu> Anything special in OTA11 that'll enable that?
[18:55] <dobey> SylvieLorxu: uhm, a default ubuntu install doesn't contain proprietary apps
[18:56] <dobey> SylvieLorxu: also, making an lxc container doesn't require even installing the kernel in the container, and it won't be running it
[18:56] <SylvieLorxu> The tablet did, the desktop doesn't anymore aside from the kernel? I must admit I haven't kept up with Ubuntu in a while...
[18:56] <SylvieLorxu> Nor have I ever played with LXC
[18:56] <dobey> SylvieLorxu: fixes for the libertine stuff i presume, and the ork the sdk team is doing to make it easier to install
[18:56] <SylvieLorxu> So much to read up on :D
[18:56] <SylvieLorxu> I see
[18:57] <SylvieLorxu> Would be quite cool to develop Ubuntu Touch apps on Ubuntu Touch
[18:57] <dobey> the tablet isn't a default ubuntu install. it's a device from bq
[18:57] <SylvieLorxu> Would be the first mobile system I know of that could do that
[18:57] <SylvieLorxu> Does that mean I have to blame Bq for that? :P
[18:57] <dobey> granted the kernel must be proprietary, because manufacturers and drivers and oh my
[18:57] <SylvieLorxu> Yeah, smartphones and tablets are just impossible
[18:57] <SylvieLorxu> And most desktops and laptops too
[18:58] <SylvieLorxu> Hopefully that can change through time but, yeah, change is always slow
[19:09] <mcphail> SylvieLorxu: you could develop Psion apps on the Psion ;)
[19:10] <SylvieLorxu> Never heard of Psion before o.o
[19:11] <mcphail> SylvieLorxu: The Psion Series 5 was the best computing device _ever_ !
[19:11] <ogra_> a hipster device from before hipsters were hip
[19:11] <mcphail> ha!
[19:11] <ogra_> :)
[19:11] <arnaudober> Hey guys, I developed an application for Ubuntu Touch. It's called Culture G. It's general knowledge for french people. :) If you would try it, and give me your review. We also have a Facebook Page, http://www.facebook.com/CultureG0
[19:11] <dobey> it's the apple newton for people who didn't use macs
[19:12] <mcphail> If there was an Ubuntu device with the Series 5 keyboard, I'd be throwing my money at it
[19:13] <SylvieLorxu> Oh, don't get me started on the Ubuntu Touch keyboard
[19:13] <SylvieLorxu> On-screen is meh, but even worse, no dvorak!
[19:13] <SylvieLorxu> ;-;
[19:14] <mcphail> SylvieLorxu: He could write a cracking symphony :p
[19:15] <ogra_> pfft, series5 was pre-hipster ... series 7 was the real thing (it had coulors inside !)
[19:17] <SylvieLorxu> The oldest I know is Symbian :P
[19:18] <mcphail> SylvieLorxu: The Psion OS became Symbian
[19:18] <SylvieLorxu> Symbian was pretty cool I guess
[19:18] <mcphail> SylvieLorxu: It was a bit of a regression, tbh
[19:21] <dobey> HP needs to bring the Prē back, with Ubuntu on it
[19:31] <mr_rcollins> WebOS was the bomb.
[19:31] <mr_rcollins> Best feature was instant messaging.
[19:33] <SylvieLorxu> Ubuntu Touch could learn from that? :P
[19:34] <dobey> im on webos was not that great
[19:37] <mcphail> Has anyone tried Robert Ancell's Chatter app?
[19:38] <ogra_> very early stages ... but works :)
[19:38] <lotuspsychje> mcphail: yeah everyone was connecting here before
[19:38] <mcphail> ogra_: nice to hear. Does it use any hacks or tricks to keep the connection?
[19:39] <ogra_> it drops it
[19:39] <nik90> mcphail, nope..you will need to whitelist it manually using tweak geek.
[19:39] <mcphail> nik90: aah. Ta!
[19:39] <ogra_> or just the one line gsettings call ;)
[19:39] <mcphail> lotuspsychje: cool
[19:39] <nik90_bq> This is me from chatter 😀
[19:39] <mcphail> nik90_bq: show off ;)
[19:39] <nik90_bq> Lol
[19:39]  * ogra_ still prefers his kiwi app ... excluded from lifecycle ....
[19:40] <nik90_bq> Oh ogra...you and your web apps...when will you learn 😋
[19:40] <ogra_> haha
[19:40] <ogra_> the web is the future !
[19:41] <nik90_bq> Funny you say that while not being a web dev
[19:41]  * SylvieLorxu beeps and communicates with the fridge over telnet
[19:41] <ogra_> i was one .... in another life ;)
[19:41] <mr_rcollins> dobey, blashpemy! :-) At the time it was pretty awesome. Mediocre hardware and lack of support from Palm held it back.
[19:43] <ogra_> SylvieLorxu: an ubuntu fridge i hope
[19:44] <dobey> mr_rcollins: no, IM was a battery killer. webos otherwise was pretty great, though
[19:44] <SylvieLorxu> ogra_: No, this one: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/24/smart_fridge_security_fubar/
[19:44] <ogra_> lol
[19:45] <ogra_> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2015/05/11/iot-canonical-and-ges-firstbuild-collaborate-on-smart-refrigerator/
[19:45] <SylvieLorxu> Can we please have less Internet of Shit things?
[19:45] <SylvieLorxu> The last thing I want is for some script kiddie to hack my fridge so I have to go shopping again when hungry :(
[19:45] <mcphail> SylvieLorxu: you'll need to ask that in #snappy ;p
[19:45] <dobey> signs point to no
[19:46] <lotuspsychje> thats why they invented mycroft :p
[19:46]  * ogra_ thinks SylvieLorxu wants him jobless
[19:46] <dobey> lol that would be great if fridges had magnetic locks too
[19:46] <ogra_> dobey: hooked to your activity tracker ;)
[19:47] <dobey> ogra_: i was just thinking i could lock fridges until people pay to access their food ;)
[19:47] <mr_rcollins> dobey, Ah, true.
[19:47] <lotuspsychje> this week my 80 year old aunt got VR glasses with her journal papers oO
[19:47] <ogra_> haha
[19:47] <ogra_> mcphail: there is no Xorg on fridges :P
[19:48] <SylvieLorxu> ogra_: Well, this is going to be a bit harsh but, if you are as lack with security as basically everyone in the IoT branch: yes, I want you to stop doing IoT ;-;
[19:48] <SylvieLorxu> Honestly, IoT security is scary as hell
[19:48] <ogra_> SylvieLorxu: we are trying to do it right :)
[19:48] <dobey> s/oT//
[19:48] <ogra_> (and i think we're on a good way actually)
[19:48] <mcphail> SylvieLorxu: to be fair, the snappy model does look better than most
[19:49] <SylvieLorxu> ogra_: Well, if you manage to actually create something secure so that we don't get more crap like wifi kettles being used to take over the whole network, cool I guess
[19:49] <SylvieLorxu> Although, frankly, I find it all so... superfluous
[19:49] <SylvieLorxu> The only thing I want is an MPD server
[19:49] <ogra_> ask your grandchildren in 50 years ;)
[19:49] <SylvieLorxu> Everything else, meh
[19:49] <dobey> so take a rpi2, throw snappy on it, and install an mpd snap
[19:49] <ogra_> yeah
[19:49] <lotuspsychje> soon a drone will deliver your pizza @ home
[19:50] <mcphail> Thos of us in Scotland will remember the Limmy Show "DeeDee's Kitchen" sketch. IoT will make it all come true
[19:50] <dobey> soon i will collect free drons being sent to my home
[19:50] <SylvieLorxu> ogra_: If they survive when some terrorist makes IoT devices do extremely dangerous things
[19:50] <lotuspsychje> dobey: lol
[19:50] <SylvieLorxu> dobey: Maybe I should play with Snappy, idk
[19:50] <SylvieLorxu> First, I want to make my favourite IM app run on Ubuntu Touch though :P
[19:51] <ogra_> it will come to your tablet one day
[19:51] <dobey> empathy?
[19:51] <ogra_> (or to your phone)
[19:51] <SylvieLorxu> dobey: https://kontalk.org/ :P
[19:52] <SylvieLorxu> QXcbConnection: Could not connect to display :0
[19:52] <SylvieLorxu> Oh yeah
[19:52] <SylvieLorxu> Great
[19:52] <SylvieLorxu> LXC container but now I don't know how to actually test apps :D
[19:52] <ogra_> do you run it in a libertine container ?
[19:53] <SylvieLorxu> This is the second time I hear the word libertine today
[19:53] <ogra_> heh
[19:53] <SylvieLorxu> And I feel I should've asked for more info the first time around
[19:53] <dobey> meh
[19:54] <dobey> SylvieLorxu: that's the ubuntu lxc container on your pc?
[19:54] <SylvieLorxu> dobey: Yes
[19:54] <dobey> SylvieLorxu: are you using ssh to connect to the container?
[19:54] <SylvieLorxu> I was using lxc-attach
[19:54] <SylvieLorxu> Is that stupid?
[19:55] <dobey> SylvieLorxu: no, not stupid. but if you ssh in, you can just ssh -X and it forwards DISPLAY
[19:55] <SylvieLorxu> That sounds like a good idea
[19:55] <SylvieLorxu> Waaaait
[19:55] <SylvieLorxu> How do I know where to ssh to
[19:55] <SylvieLorxu> Oh lxc-info shows an IP
[19:55] <SylvieLorxu> Hurr durr
[19:56] <SylvieLorxu> Connection refused
[19:56] <SylvieLorxu> Of course, I need to set it up there first
[19:56]  * SylvieLorxu falls asleep
[19:57] <ogra_> SylvieLorxu: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yJepibh68YaQijWO3Z3dWTtTTmzXnMmEE8eswhUXzw4/edit
[19:58] <ogra_> that gives you a libertine container that can hook up to the display
[20:00] <SylvieLorxu> Sounds like you run those on the M10 itself?
[20:00] <ogra_> yeah
[20:00] <SylvieLorxu> I think I'll avoid that for the time being :P
[20:01] <ogra_> that is whats used for firefox, xchat, gedit ... but unlike them, this container lives in the rw space and is freely changeable without messing up the OS
[20:02] <SylvieLorxu> I'd rather dev on my laptop, am getting closer anyway
[20:03] <ogra_> i thought yu wanted to run some IM client on the tablet
[20:03] <SylvieLorxu> I want to develop an IM client for it
[20:03] <ogra_> ooooh
[20:04] <SylvieLorxu> That client is Android-only atm
[20:04] <SylvieLorxu> So yeah
[20:04]  * ogra_ totally misunderstood :)
[20:04] <dobey> SylvieLorxu: a good start would be to get ubuntu push notification support in the server, perhaps
[20:05] <dobey> will make a confined client more sensible
[20:05] <SylvieLorxu> dobey: I know that's still missing, but I definitely don't have the time or knowledge to take that on
[20:07] <SylvieLorxu> Woohoo X forwarding works :D
[20:07] <ogra_> meanwhile telegram serves pretty well as IM client ... but you need to convince your friends first ...
[20:07] <ogra_> walled gardens everywhere ...
[20:08] <SylvieLorxu> I like Kontalk because it's fully free, server included, and is pretty close to default XMPP
[20:09] <ogra_> yeah, we're still lacking XMPP ... there were plans to actually have XMPP in teh account mgmt and have that cooked into the default messaging app
[20:10] <SylvieLorxu> Hmm
[20:10] <SylvieLorxu> I'm really struggling with Ubuntu now
[20:10] <SylvieLorxu> Is there no wheel group?
[20:10] <SylvieLorxu> How do I sudo?
[20:10] <dobey> you type sudo
[20:10] <ogra_> by typing sudo ?
[20:11]  * ogra_ thinks he hasnt heard anyone talk about the wheel group in 15 years or so
[20:11] <SylvieLorxu> Well, the thing is, org.freedesktop.policykit.exec in this chroot wants to auth and then fails
[20:11] <SylvieLorxu> So I'm thinking "this user doesn't have correct rights"
[20:12] <ogra_> ouch ... yeah, it wants to talk to logind and policykit
[20:12] <SylvieLorxu> Please don't tell me this is one of those genious things that don't work in a container
[20:12] <dobey> SylvieLorxu: what are you trying to run with sudo?
[20:12] <dobey> i had no idea what "this" is
[20:13] <SylvieLorxu> I'm trying to add a build target in the ubuntu-sdk setup and it calls policykit
[20:13] <dobey> trying to build a kit?
[20:13] <SylvieLorxu> Just hitting "Create new kit", it's a require step so
[20:13] <dobey> i don't really know what that does technically
[20:14] <dobey> SylvieLorxu: are you using ppa:ubuntu-sdk-team/ppa there?
[20:15] <SylvieLorxu> Yes
[20:16] <dobey> SylvieLorxu: try installing ubuntu-sdk-api-15.04
[20:17] <dobey> if your app will be qml only, you don't need an armhf chroot at least. and i think installing that package will give you a preconfigured kit, so you don't have to create one
[20:17] <SylvieLorxu> Oh
[20:17] <SylvieLorxu> Well, I'll probably need some C++
[20:18] <SylvieLorxu> Because GPG encryption in JavaScript, frankly, is a mess with every single library
[20:18] <ogra_> "library" :)
[20:18] <dobey> it uses gpg? ick :)
[20:19] <SylvieLorxu> At least it doesn't run on MTProto
[20:28] <saavento> hi
[20:30] <saavento> is snapcraft a project to load apps or services to develop apps?
[20:32] <mcphail> saavento: looks as if it is a project to help with packaging apps as .snaps
[20:33] <saavento> ok
[20:33] <saavento> so is like a docker for snappy apps
[20:33] <saavento> like a container
[20:34] <SylvieLorxu> dobey: The SDK doesn't seem to be working. The Qt Creator fork complains "Error: Mkspec not found for Qt version" for the kits
[20:34] <mcphail> saavento: snapcraft? No, I think it is just a too to help build teh snaps
[20:34] <SylvieLorxu> :(
[20:35] <saavento> like a repository
[20:35] <dobey> SylvieLorxu: hmm, sorry, i don't know. i haven't actually run it in a container, as i use ubuntu natively
[20:36] <SylvieLorxu> Hmm
[20:36] <dobey> saavento: no, it's more like debuild, but for snaps
[20:36] <SylvieLorxu> Maybe I should wait for OTA-11 and see if devving on the device itself would be fun
[20:36] <saavento> ok
[20:37] <saavento> thx mcphail
[20:39] <dobey> mariogrip: hey hey :)
[20:39] <dobey> hmm, battery dropping 60% over 8 hours, on an idle device, is not nice :-/
[20:42] <mariogrip> dobey: I haven't pushed the update yet, sorry for the delay, hopefully get it done today
[20:42] <dobey> mariogrip: ok, thanks. am looking forward to having it :)
[20:55] <mariogrip> dobey: also, building some 5.1 images now just to test how they work
[20:58] <ogra_> finally dolby surround for the N5 ?
[20:58] <ogra_> :)
[20:59] <dobey> mariogrip: having android 5 would be nice too indeed :)
[21:00] <dobey> but definitely not rushed for that. i'll take battery life first :)
[21:00] <mariogrip> testing out portcraft, I hopefully wont even touch it :)
[21:03] <mariogrip> ogra_: :P
[21:28] <mr_rcollins> Is there a time line for OTA 11?
[21:29]  * mr_rcollins is ashamed, he flashed Android onto the M10...
[21:31] <popey> 17:54 < ogra_> (i think popey took it into his hands so it will be fine i guess :) )
[21:31] <popey> wat?
[21:33] <troyready> mr_rcollins: I don't think dual booting is too shameful now; I'm jazzed about the tablet but there are some things missing that I'd like to be able to use sometimes
[21:34] <troyready> that said....care to share instructions? :)
[21:35] <mr_rcollins> That would be the blind leading the blind.  :)  I grabbed the windows flashing tools and the 5.1 Android build, let me see if I can find the website.
[21:35] <mr_rcollins> I'm actually surprised it worked.
[21:36] <troyready> Nice of you to be the guinea pig :)
[21:37] <mcphail> mr_rcollins: I've been on android on my bq phone for a few days, but I'm beginning to get the itch to switch back ;)
[21:38] <troyready> Using the terminal last night on my m10 with a BT keyboard was awesome. So much better than the "toy" feeling of apps like that on android
[21:38] <mr_rcollins> http://www.mibqyyo.com/en-articles/2015/09/16/ubuntu-android-installation-process-for-bq-aquaris-e4-5-and-e5/#/vanilla/discussion/embed/?vanilla_discussion_id=0
[21:39] <mr_rcollins> Except I searched for M10.
[21:39] <troyready> but a lot of the media stuff obviously needs a lot of work, so being able to go back and forth now would be nice
[21:40] <mr_rcollins> When OTA-11 drops, I'll reflash.
[23:48] <Ledrat> hum..