[04:28] <daftykins> https://youtu.be/L5wy0YhCuuA?t=17 aww yeah
[04:28] <daftykins> my inner child wants that model :)
[05:28] <mappps> hi all
[06:49] <knightwise> morning peeps
[06:52] <brmbrmcar> hello
[06:59] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:22] <SuperMatt> morning
[07:27] <MooDoo> how are you SuperMatt ?
[07:35] <SuperMatt> yeah, I'm all right, thanks
[07:35] <SuperMatt> you?
[07:36] <knightwise> Yo everyone :)
[07:37] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: yeah fine, bit down in the dumps but ok
[07:37] <MooDoo> yo knightwise
[07:38] <MooDoo> :)
[07:39] <SuperMatt> why so glum, chum?
[08:05] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: no idea lol :) just that time of the day maybe, not sure what I want career wise yada yada yada
[08:06] <knightwise> Chin up MooDoo !
[08:06] <MooDoo> cheers :)
[08:44] <diplo> Morning all
[08:44] <diplo> Not enjoying the new job then MooDoo ?
[08:48] <davmor2> Morning all you funksters
[08:54] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:54] <knightwise> hey brobostigon
[08:55] <brobostigon> morning knightwise
[09:09] <Guest6158> Good morning all!  Happy Tuesday, and happy Hug An Australian Day! 😃
[09:10] <Guest6158> Dag nabbit.  I forgot I need to fix my SASL auth.
[09:10] <zmoylan-pi> quick someon report Guest6158 for impersonating james
[09:11]  * zmoylan-pi suspects lonely australian...
[09:12]  * JamesTait whistles innocently.
[09:12]  * zmoylan-pi starts shazam to see if the tune is waltzing matilda...
[09:19] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPwtJ89jes4, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26ELh7P2ZtA, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soJBGLP7Akk
[09:21]  * zmoylan-pi adds and the band played waltzing matilda to the oz fest of music... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG48Ftsr3OI
[10:44] <MooDoo> :)
[11:07]  * awilkins engages Wily upgrade on main desktop
[11:10] <awilkins> "COuld not install gconf2"
[11:10] <awilkins> dependency problems
[11:10] <awilkins> That's... bad, right?
[11:11] <awilkins> Upgrade thing is now in infinite loop of complaining about gconf2
[11:11] <awilkins> Oh dear
[11:15]  * diplo downloading the CODE Libreoffice software from Collabra, anyone else tried it yet ?
[11:26] <awilkins> Have filed bug 1575126
[11:31] <DJones> awilkins: Should that be upgrade from Wily to Xenial, or are you trying Xenial to Yakkety
[11:33] <awilkins> Yeah, should be Wily to Xenial
[11:33] <awilkins> Sorry
[11:33] <knightwise> #install-all-the-kernell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[11:33] <awilkins> System is now fubar
[11:33] <popey> morning
[11:33] <popey> :)
[11:33] <knightwise> Morning popey , Laura's shennanigans are great ! #thisweekspodcast
[11:34] <popey> yeah!
[11:37] <knightwise> The best way to learn how to fly , is by reading data from the other planes black box
[11:38] <knightwise> #Suicide presentation !
[11:41] <zmoylan-pi> it's called tombstone technology
[11:41] <zmoylan-pi> tech that is only fixed when enough people are hurt
[11:42] <knightwise> we call it 'The squeek principle"
[11:42] <knightwise> shut down a server and wait for somebody to squeeck
[11:46] <MooDoo> might give that one a try knightwise :)
[11:55] <awilkins> Aaand, that escalated quickly
[11:55] <awilkins> System is now borked
[11:56] <awilkins> Spews a stack trace during kernel boot and dies
[11:56] <SuperMatt> nice work
[11:56] <SuperMatt> what did you do to manage that?
[11:58] <zmoylan-pi> that's the anti nsa upgrade... :-/
[11:59] <awilkins> I) GUI upgrade to Xenial II) Failed with an infinite loop III) Killed upgrade IV) tried apt-get -f install V) did dpkg --configure -a as instructed VI) That ended up with a loop of fail VII) rebooted, login now a loop of fail VIII) recovery console IX) apt-get -f install (does stuff apparently happy) X) apt-get dist-upgrade (does a lot of stuff.... says "Started Braille services" and hangs)
[12:00] <awilkins> XI) Hard reset XII) Hard crash on kernel load, photographed stack trace for posterity, downloading Xenial image now....
[12:00] <zmoylan-pi> hopefully a fully backed up system? or will a live distro allow you to boot and copy data from system?
[12:00] <awilkins> Oh, Xa) Did a ctrl-alt-gr REISUB to make sure discs weren't left unsynced
[12:00] <awilkins> Home folder is on a separate drive
[12:00] <zmoylan-pi> \o/
[12:00] <awilkins> And I have a full backup in a NAS
[12:01] <SuperMatt> then just reinstall from scratch!
[12:01] <awilkins> Yup
[12:01] <zmoylan-pi> double \o/
[12:01] <awilkins> (of home folder, not nutty enough to back up root)
[12:02] <awilkins> But now reduced performance as I go to do task and go "ARRGH NOW I HAVE TO INSTALL THE SOFTWARE FIRST"
[12:02] <SuperMatt> I find I can get myself back up to speed after an hour, on average
[12:02] <SuperMatt> though it depends what you need to install
[12:02] <SuperMatt> I tend to stick with defaults and keep my machines very light
[12:03] <awilkins> I do dev, so I have a large number of large things
[12:03] <awilkins> Java SDKs etc
[12:05] <SuperMatt> gah, yes
[12:05] <SuperMatt> that's a pain
[12:05] <SuperMatt> though some might say it's a good idea to put all that gubbins into a container that runs off another disk too
[12:05] <SuperMatt> I'm playing with lxd right now, and it's kinda interesting
[12:06] <SuperMatt> I'm testing how to migrate containers between machines, which is quite cool
[12:07] <SuperMatt> containers > vms, IMO
[12:11] <awilkins> Arggh, now I have to muck about with UEFI mode installation
[12:11] <SuperMatt> I find with Ubuntu that it's relatively easy
[12:12] <awilkins> Yeah, it's not to obad now
[12:12] <awilkins> Wondering whether to do "reinstall" or custom install
[12:13] <awilkins> I trust custom install more
[12:18] <awilkins> NOOOO I left "encrypt my home folder" checked
[12:18] <awilkins> I hate unpicking that
[12:26] <awilkins> Hooray, it didn't "take"
[12:26] <awilkins> I guess my old home folder config override it
[12:26] <awilkins> Now booted to crusty bad-res-o-vision desktop
[12:26]  * awilkins installs filthy non-hippy drivers
[12:27] <SuperMatt> non-hippy ftw
[12:27] <SuperMatt> I completely understand why some people want everything to be non-proprietary, but 1) everyone is different, and 2) I wish they'd stop telling me I'm bad for being different
[12:34] <awilkins> Well, back to a desktop with most of my files and settings intact in less than an hour
[12:35] <awilkins> Well, back to a desktop with most of my files and settings intact in less than an hour
[12:35] <awilkins> That's about a bazillion percent better than recovering from a Windows catastrophe
[12:35] <awilkins> Esp. when you install programs and they're set up exactly how you liked them
[12:36] <zmoylan-pi> i used to have a hard drive with ghost images of my desktop when i used windows turned a week long rebuild into a 30minute restore...
[12:36] <awilkins> Yeah, if only you could do Windows as a kind of layered container OS
[12:37] <awilkins> Install new software on top of the base container and reboot (given that it makes you reboot for virtually everything anyway)
[12:37] <zmoylan-pi> i did also fill my ipod classic with portable apps for windows which saved a lot of time on new systems...
[12:37] <awilkins> Bah, why do some package installs update the applications menu instantly and some take a reboot
[12:38] <zmoylan-pi> on linux i keep a lot of config files on thumb drive so that vim newsbeuter are quickly configured to my liking
[12:38] <awilkins> It's next to impossible to do that for the dve tools though
[12:38] <zmoylan-pi> sadly true
[12:38] <awilkins> They must splat about a billion extra keys into the registry
[12:39] <awilkins> I managed to get the configuration for stepping debugging from IIS running ASP classic straight to VB6 DLLs working once
[12:39] <awilkins> And once only
[12:39] <awilkins> Wish we'd had snapshottable VMs back then...
[12:40] <awilkins> It's such an arcane thing involving meddling with things wot man was not meant to meddle with
[12:41] <awilkins> It probably also creates an IIS instance that can reach back into time and prevent your parents meeting, so it's not all bad that it's hard to do
[12:45] <zmoylan-pi> ...so if we get root we can prevent bill gates....
[14:00] <AuroraAvenue> Meixu 5 Pro's out £286.52 pretty much - https://redd.it/4gidxs
[14:44] <diddledan_> anyone into devops? https://supergiant.io/
[14:45] <diddledan_> built on-top of kubernetes
[14:45] <AuroraAvenue_> Mark is live ! http://siliconangle.tv/openstack-summit-2016/
[14:45] <awilkins> Thought that was Supergiant Games for a mo
[14:45] <diddledan_> AuroraAvenue_, thanks
[14:45] <AuroraAvenue_> k
[14:46] <diddledan_> mm, big data :-p
[14:53] <AuroraAvenue_> diddledan_: What ya think of that ? Mark maybe going to the moon ...
[14:53] <diddledan_> he is our favourite astronaut afterall :-p
[14:54] <AuroraAvenue_> the moon is made of cheese.
[14:55] <AuroraAvenue_> anyway .. Q&A in 5 minutes too ! http://ubuntuonair.com/
[14:56] <diddledan_> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-36138998
[14:58] <AuroraAvenue_> diddledan_: Yeah I saw that last night.
[14:58] <AuroraAvenue_> Apparently none of the steam community were interested.
[14:59] <diddledan_> they've got mad max!
[14:59] <diddledan_> \o/
[14:59] <diddledan_> I think it's a good idea
[14:59] <diddledan_> mostly because it'll play on linux
[15:00] <diddledan_> valve are pretty much the only company that are investing in cross-platform
[15:00] <diddledan_> only mainstream co I mena
[15:00] <diddledan_> there are obviously companies in the server space etc
[15:00] <awilkins> The titles on there now are utter bobbins though
[15:01] <diddledan_> aye
[15:01] <awilkins> Who wants to see Jennifer Aniston in 3D....
[15:01] <diddledan_> I'm just looking through the list
[15:01] <diddledan_> lol
[15:04] <davmor2> awilkins: wow they're got utter bobbins already?  that's only just come out at the cinema :D
[15:04] <awilkins> I hear Netflix have optioned the rights to Utter Bobbins 2 though
[15:05] <davmor2> man that sucks now I've got to get netflix too
[15:07] <davmor2> awilkins: I might just skip 2 and go straight for Utter Bobbins 3 3D instead
[15:08] <diddledan_> davmor2, they'll do the clever title naming by combining 3 and 3d to make it "Utter Bobbins 3D"
[15:08] <davmor2> diddledan_: Utt3r Bobbins 3D
[15:09] <davmor2> it's like you've seen the posters already :D
[15:09] <diddledan_> what was the one that went for 3DD (pronounced three-double-dee)
[15:09] <awilkins> The only other film that went for 3DD was Total Recall, but they went for two-dee-three-double-dee
[15:10] <davmor2> diddledan_: Piranha
[15:10] <diddledan_> bingo
[15:10] <diddledan_> well done - good memory there
[15:10] <diddledan_> because, boobies
[15:15] <directhex> urgh "devops"
[15:16] <diddledan_> when a hacked company gets it right: https://www.troyhunt.com/100-data-breaches-later-have-i-been-pwned-gets-its-first-self-submission/
[15:16] <diddledan_> directhex, but ops that are deved
[15:16] <directhex> devs are bad at ops
[15:16] <directhex> devops is the art of "it builds on my laptop, let's put my laptop in production"
[15:16] <diddledan_> ops are great at dev tho
[15:17] <diddledan_> lmao
[15:23] <diplo> That's the staff at my place directhex :D
[15:29] <diddledan_> I know, why don't we actually put laptops into the datacentre?
[15:32] <diplo> They do stuff like that already diddledan_ :/
[15:34] <diddledan_> good good :-p
[15:38] <awilkins> Think it's more the art of "lets construct the same environment as production on the laptop and make people dev in it"
[15:57] <davmor2> IT'S SNOWING
[16:02] <bashrc> happy christmas
[16:08] <davmor2> \o/ SNOW!!!!!!! \o/
[16:11] <AuroraAvenue_> snowing here too.
[16:12] <zmoylan-pi> snow predicted here for high ground tonight... so should be grand. had a bit of stafing with hail earlier mind
[16:12] <AuroraAvenue_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVYfz6Sh5gY
[16:22] <Myrtti> wwweeeeellll
[16:22] <Myrtti> this is great.
[16:22] <Myrtti> keepass keeps crashing :-(
[16:29] <brmbrmcar> Snowing earlier.
[16:32] <zmoylan-pi> it's a tie in with the release of new episodes of game of thrones... :-)
[16:42] <DJones> Does anybody use the minecraft lifeboat community, if so http://motherboard.vice.com/read/another-day-another-hack-7-million-emails-and-hashed-passwords-for-minecraft
[20:08] <diddledan_> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/04/26/flying-mobile-base-stations-are-coming-to-the-uk/
[20:09] <zmoylan-pi> don't open the window... you'll let the wifi out...
[20:10] <diddledan_> :-o
[20:11] <diddledan_> apparently wifi doesn't work when the power's out
[20:11] <diddledan_> seems odd that
[20:11] <zmoylan-pi> and in a windy country they will struggle to maintain position. a local business in dublin had a blimp as advertising but steady wind blew it so that was bouncing off roofs of houses a few 100 yards away
[20:48] <diddledan_> mac sales fell 12% year-on-year
[20:55] <m0nkey_> thats because my 4 year old mba is still going strong :)
[20:59] <m0nkey_> why bother upgrading the hardware when the current software works just fine?
[21:03] <zmoylan-pi> and how down are pc sales at the same time?
[21:08] <zmoylan-pi> about 11% http://www.oregonlive.com/silicon-forest/index.ssf/2016/04/pc_sales_down_sharply_industry.html
[21:08] <diddledan_> m0nkey_, don't say that, you know Apple are gonna drop support this year for older macs
[21:09] <m0nkey_> I'll just continue to roll with what i got until it breaks
[21:09] <m0nkey_> Or install Ubuntu :)
[21:09] <zmoylan-pi> as long as rasp pis run linux i should be good :-)
[21:09] <m0nkey_> My mac isn't exactly old.. it's an i5
[21:12] <diddledan_> m0nkey_, your definition of old and apples rarely coincide
[21:14] <m0nkey_> the day it becomes 'unsupported' is the day i continue to use it :)
[21:14] <diddledan_> :-o
[21:14] <diddledan_> but. apple REQUIRE you to upgrade!
[21:15] <m0nkey_> screw that
[21:15] <diddledan_> where's shauno, we need to apple fanboi-ism
[21:15] <zmoylan-pi> no no they require you to get new stuff and pass old stuff down the food chain to hook others
[21:15] <diddledan_> some*
[21:16] <diddledan_> https://twitter.com/notwaldorf/status/725070995761946624
[22:44] <daftykins> i'm still wondering if i'll be able to sell on an ancient model macbook, because they've long since abandoned it for OS X updates - yet the allure of fruity tech may pull someone in
[22:44] <zmoylan-pi> a hipster hipster...
[22:45] <zmoylan-pi> wanting to show off ancient mac to poor modern macbook toting mates
[22:45] <daftykins> in fairness it's not half bad with the SSD that's in it
[22:45] <daftykins> just the immorality of selling a machine with an insecure OS...
[22:46] <zmoylan-pi> mac as much as i dislike them do make very nice hardware out of mediocre components
[22:46] <zmoylan-pi> ms gets over their morality... :-P
[22:46] <daftykins> have you read about the new skylake refreshed 12" toy macbook that now includes tamper evidence screws to show if a customer has opened it?
[22:46] <daftykins> not much reason to mind you, no upgrades are possible
[22:47] <daftykins> well the past couple of years have shown than open source is no safer
[22:47] <diddledan_> :-o
[22:47] <diddledan_> that's evil
[22:48] <diddledan_> tamper-evident screws is too much
[22:48] <zmoylan-pi> i'm sure the screw driver to open the tamper proof screws will be available soon
[22:48] <daftykins> no they're actually screwheads filled with disintegrating material so an attempt at putting a driver in crumbles it
[22:48] <daftykins> game over!
[22:48] <daftykins> it's on the ifixit.com teardown if you're interested
[22:49]  * zmoylan-pi wonders if using it in high vibration location will damage the filler in the screw heads
[22:49] <daftykins> :>
[22:50] <zmoylan-pi> i've had pcs that kept failing as vibration killed the harddrives till i noticed and placed the pcs on bubblewrap
[22:50] <daftykins> anywho a kind fellow is going to post me an old 2GB SODIMM that i can throw in that macbook to bump it up to 4GB, then i can perhaps risk obtaining an AC adapter and/or battery and sell the thing on
[22:51] <daftykins> what was the environment?
[22:51] <zmoylan-pi> point of sales in a shop.  but traffic for some reason made building vibrate enough to kill discs
[22:52] <zmoylan-pi> when 1 disc fails you replace it, when 3 fail you start looking for wacky things.  bubbleweap sorted it
[22:53] <daftykins> :D
[22:54] <diddledan_> dad had something like that - some equipment in a basement somewhere in london that he kept getting called to repair - the client had no explanation as to why it died and it did it regular-like. turns out after investigating and drawing blank that one time he realised that it only died when put beside a particular wall
[22:54] <daftykins> o0
[22:54] <diddledan_> they followed the thread and discovered that the electricity board had a trunk behind that wall
[22:55] <daftykins> ooh so high current EMI or such like
[22:55] <diddledan_> aye.. several MW through the wire causing unbearable magnetic field
[22:56] <daftykins> clearly the guy was Magneto
[22:56] <zmoylan-pi> i've told you of the pc that kept corrupting os and data 10-15 foot from rail line.  in the end i pointed out it was also right beside freezer motor
[22:57] <daftykins> :D
[22:57] <daftykins> http://en.blitzortung.org/live_lightning_maps.php <-- i'd love to set up a detector of my own for this site
[22:58] <zmoylan-pi> my brother found a doozy working in a cement truck. turbo diesel engines burning out bearings. unheard off till he pointed out the turbo was spinning when engine was off and cool due to were they were parked
[22:59] <daftykins> how would parking location affect that?
[23:00] <zmoylan-pi> they parked the trucks in cooling tower designed to funnel air for various processes to shelter trucks. but the high airflow got the turbos spinning, cold engine with no lubricant killed them
[23:01] <zmoylan-pi> all previous vehicles were non turbo